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I bought this phone like few months ago. When I held it for first time and used for few days I was completely charmed. For some time, this was the best android phone ever created for me but right now it's not. Why is that? Maybe because EMUI is a piece of trash. This is literally one of the worst android skins ever created, along with other ****ty chinese skins of course. The problems are not lack of app drawer or other generic and dumb issues people have about emui, this skin is broken to the core. Made by monkeys with brain damage. I tried all available android version for this phone and all of them have some annoying issues. In other words, this phone is unusable and it shouldn't be because it's not cheap. I'm a power user but constantly fiddling with a phone to make some basic functionality work is annoying even for me. Issues I experienced by firmware version:
- Notifications stops working as soon as phone enter doze (B152) and no, disabling doze is not a fix. Disabling a core system functionality which can be used to save phone from garbage google services doing havoc in the background is not a fix,
- Google backup transport constantly wakes up modems, sometimes every one second, sending very small data batches and completely decimating battery. Sometimes it does this for few minutes and sometimes it does it for hours. It doesn't matter how many google account I have or how many applications I have it happens every freaking time. On every single firmware version. And of course, backup disabled, sync also (all firmware versions)
- Doze is useless on Mate 8, doze is great because it fixes (actually it doesn't fix anything, it's jus workaround) horrible android battery life in standby. Does it works on Mate 8? Of course not ! Because dumb Huawei programmers added every single google service and app to permament whitelist which renders doze useless and main doze feature is ability to block ****ty google services (every version except B560+)
- Incosistent battery life (extreeeeeemeeeely incosistent battery life), same amount of apps in the background, same amount of notifications and one night - 1 % of battery, another one - 10%, amazing (all firmware versions).
- killing applications in the memory after long time of inactivity (of course killing apps, which shouldn't be killed, added to either protected or not closed apps, depending on version). I leave phone with 5 apps open in the background, at the morning only 1 is left in the memory. What is this? 50$ phone for christ sake?
- propably more smaller issues i forgot.
So is there a way (maybe some magic firmware version) to fix this phone? So instead of being garbage it will be actually useful and not frustrating? If not I'm selling this because I honestly can't remember a phone which annoyed me that much. Since 2006. And no, those are not my issues or I'm not using it wrong. These are well known issues baked deeply into crappy emui source code and "I don't have them" means I don't notice them.
I got this phone a few weeks ago, and I'm also unhappy with it. Specifically, the mirror screen function is super pixelated on my TV and almost unusable. No other Android phone I've used has this problem.
Update to Nougat with Emui 5. It's imho a huge improvement. Very very happy with it. Will never go back to Samsung or HTC.
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I got a DLOO version. Admittedly, had a frustrating time trying to root, debrand. But once done, I'm now on L29C432B320 and using Nova launcher. No issues on usability or battery, etc. As suggested, hopefully EMUI 5 will further enhance the experience.
No problems with mine...that I know of...
I'm 100% stock at this time, had it for about 3 months
L29C185B180
With all the headaches of upgrading at this point, I'll just stick it out a while on the current
build...I don't use the default launcher, but use Nova Prime.
If you have chinese version (AL10, DL00 etc), debrand to 432 and use build 560. Doze works, background apps works, battery life is pretty great and most importantly notification pulldown and notification icons are good.
My Mate 8 has been working fine till now.
B152. Stopped reading there. You won't put any effort in using the inbuilt updater and yet you come here to complain?
B180 and higher has all your problems solved and it's available to all handset versions.
Hi, first post. I asked the question on another site some months back about deleting or stopping the install notification about the downloaded, although not installed Nougat update, no answers were forthcoming. My phone on 6.0.1 works great and I have no issues that warrant an upgrade. I have hardly any apps installed on it and really only use it for light internet, photos, the phone and GPS. I don’t really want to update it to Nougat due to some of the horror stories I have read. I am not (yet) very Android proficient.
Can I just leave the downloaded Nougat updated installed, but stop the daily notification to install it?
Or
Can I easily delete the downloaded but not installed Nougat update?
In this case I subscribe to the notion, if it isn’t broke don’t touch it. Maybe I am being too overly cautious.
Current details
Hardware: XT1642.
Version: 6.0.1
Build: MPJ24.139.23.4
Security Update: 1 May 2016
Any help steering me in the right direction is appreciated.
Cheers,
@CC2005
If you remove downloaded files, still it will not stop, then you will get notification for new update available and to download it.
Better if you update to latest version,
otherwise you need to restrict notification for moto updater app or data for it. (I don't remember correctly if those feature existed on MM, as the way it is present in N)
It looks as if I will have to just go ahead and install the OTA Nougat 7.0 update that has downloaded; as there doesn't seem to be a simple way of stopping the notification to install it. As mentioned, I didn't want to install Nougat as it works perfectly now on 6.01, maybe I am just worrying about nothing, obviously Nougat 7.0 doesn't stuff up all devices.
It is still in warranty so if an OTA update causes problems I may be able to return it?
Cheers
CC2005 said:
It looks as if I will have to just go ahead and install the OTA Nougat 7.0 update that has downloaded; as there doesn't seem to be a simple way of stopping the notification to install it. As mentioned, I didn't want to install Nougat as it works perfectly now on 6.01, maybe I am just worrying about nothing, obviously Nougat 7.0 doesn't stuff up all devices.
It is still in warranty so if an OTA update causes problems I may be able to return it?
Cheers
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If there is any problems and if it's under warranty, you can surely take it to the service center.
As far as I know, if you get a replacement device, it will be updated to the latest version out of the box. So there is no way going back to MM.
If you still want to use MM, your only hope is custom ROMs.
You can't downgrade the official updates.
Nougat is not that bad. Most of us are waiting for Oreo and I am wondering how are you still on MM
Have a nice Day :good:
arunzone said:
If there is any problems and if it's under warranty, you can surely take it to the service center.
I am wondering how are you still on MM
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I have disabled most of the Motorola notifications "Motorola Update Services", "Motorola Notification" and one or two others. This sometimes prevents the "Install System Update" notification as long as I do not power it off, I put it to sleep by putting if face down. Although most of the time I have to delay the install manually by rescheduling the install time-pressing later etc when the message pops up.
I am a light user, and can get up to 8 days (rarely) usage out of a single charge, I have disabled a lot of Google & other Apps that I don't want to use, and turned off many Google Play Services. Lots of photos, calls and WiFi use I get 2-3 days use, so I am trying to keep the current OS. Also the works reasonably well in very hot weather taking photos and using the GPS-off line maps, it does at times get hot and can suffer camera issues and more so, GPS stuttering and lag above 35C-40+C but shade it from the sun and minimise use and it will work ok.
Cheers & have a great day too.
Ok, I've been operating with Nougat 7.0 for two months now. There are pros and cons and some of the cons I will adapt to as they are only preferences, minor setting and appearance.
My main concerns about the OS update were battery life and heating. Normal use, the battery drains a little quicker without WIFI or Sim data on, not enough to cause concern. But with WIFI and or sim data on, it definitely uses more battery power than before, almost at an average of 10%-15% more-not a scientific analysis. I am not a big data users so again not big concern. Although when using data, downloading, surfing etc, the battery rate depletes at a much quicker rate than before, I would estimate 30%-40% faster. I also notice the battery depletes much quicker when using the camera and the associated heat when using the camera feels (going by sense not measuring it) somewhat higher. The camera and video mode are the one that bother me and I forgot to mention, using offline maps, gps enabled (no WIFI or Sim data activated) the battery use is again higher than before.
So, I would have been better off on MM, yes, but it is what it is and I can work around the battery issue when I know my usage of those features will be heavy. A cheap pocket portable USB charger may need to be purchased.
I haven’t done a factory reset and I have only cleared the cache via settings app. Maybe the next step before a portable pocket USB charger is purchased.
Cheers
I bought the s8 today from a parallel imported store. I know oreo is a major update, but for my phone it's going to take over 5 hours. My internet speeds are fine and browsing/videos are all perfectly fast on my phone - it's just this update which is slow as a snail. The pic of this is below.
https://imgur.com/a/vye3o
With my other question, I wanted to ask about a feature from the "Phone INFO samsung" app. The s8 is my first Samsung parallel imported phone, so I used the app to check if it's refurbished or not, and the app confirms it's a brand new phone thankfully. The IMEI and serial numbers all match with the box too.
I noticed however that under usage history, the battery discharge cycle number was already 2. Possibly a stupid question, but is that normal for a brand new phone? Before I installed the app, the only charging I'd done was from 44% (the % the phone came out of the box as) up to around 75%.
https://imgur.com/a/Pick8
Appreciate any answers you guys have, thanks!
**EDIT: The update might not actually be Oreo since my phone was only 7.0 before the download, the size is only 500mb - I've had someone tell me that their oreo update was 1.5gb. The issue still stands that the download is incredibly slow!
**EDIT 2:
I believe my phone was originally a Telstra carrier phone that has been unlocked, since I see the Telstra logo whenever I boot up my phone. I'm not sure if this has any relevance to the fact that when I go into Settings > Software Update, I only see the following two options:
"Download updates manually" "Scheduled software updates"
On all my friends galaxy s8's, in addition to the above settings, there is also a "Download updates automatically" and a "Last update information" section. I wonder if this has anything to do with my issue?
It is normal because every device is being charged and stressed out battery test when in production.
Also, based on your screenshot it is not OREO yet. Oreo update is 1.5GB, 500mb would just be security patches and stability update.
5 hours definitely seems odd, especially if that update is only a third of the size of the Oreo update. Oreo took about 5-10 mins to download, and then maybe 20 minutes to install on my Verizon phone.
1) Volume controls, seriously google? what are you smoking? Why is it way more difficult to change my ringer volume then it needs to be? why do I need to change media volume if I'm not actually listening to media?
2) Much more professional UI, if I wanted an iPhone I would buy and iPhone, Google might as well called this update "Apple Pie"
3)Much better notification/quick toggles pull down with sub-menus for bluetooth and wifi. Why did Google remove this?
4) Split screen mode is usable again! (Videos play in split screen too!)
5) No need to worry about an OTA rolling and screwing things up, I like the piece of mind that my phone will stay on the final Oreo update until I feel Pie is stable enough (9.1?)
6) Multitasking is faster (although this can be solved with an adb command, the whole concept is still a downgrade.
7) Pie is not used by many people at all, in fact the number of total android devices running Pie is less then 0.1% of android devices Source: https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/ - We are essentially beta testers even after the developer previews.... Oreo however is up to nearly 20% distribution.
8) Battery life using Franco's Naptime app for aggressive doze gives me insane battery life, Adaptive battery is pretty useless when you use such a powerful app like this one.
9) Adaptive brightness is awful on Pie
10) My clock is where it has been for the past 7 years on Android phones, this notch thing just needs to die. Google needs to add a boolean value in systemUI for the left clock and assign it a true value for phones with a notch, and false with a phone with no notch. Seriously, do this!!!
Now before you guys come in here bringing up security bulletin updates, it's a fair point but I would just like to say that no security update will save you from being a noob, don't download shady apps, don't connect to unsecured public wifi networks, don't browse shady websites and don't click on everything you see. Much like a PC, you can get the latest Windows updates and anti-virus definitions but if your foolish and browse around unsafe and shady websites and installing shady .exe's your going to get yourself in to trouble and no security update will save you. The best security for Android is your brain.
I'm back to loving my Pixel 2!
What adb command and what does it do?
You went from P to Oreo ? I thought you could not downgrade anymore ?
mikeprius said:
You went from P to Oreo ? I thought you could not downgrade anymore ?
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you sure can, unlock your bootloader and install the latest 8.1 Factory Image from July, then relock your bootloader boot up and disable automatic system updates in developer options and hide the OTA notification by long pressing it.
Danvdh said:
you sure can, unlock your bootloader and install the latest 8.1 Factory Image from July, then relock your bootloader boot up and disable automatic system updates in developer options and hide the OTA notification by long pressing it.
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Oh ok interesting. Maybe I was thinking you cannot downgrade from O back to N. I thought google made changes where you cannot downgrade due to security patches or something.
Oreo just has an overall more consistent experience and mature interface.
I never left Oreo for many of the reasons you listed, after researching Pie a bit.
We're stuck in this kinda bad phase of phones right now: manufacturers are removing hardware features to encourage/require additional accessory purchases and forcing obsolescence (or ~$80 for battery replacements), plus new software seems in a lot of ways to be regressing. I mean, if you have a Kit Kat device laying around, boot it up and I swear you'll wonder what the heck has "improved" since that. Imagine a Kit Kat style firmware running on today's fast RAM and processors, with hardware features - removable battery, sd card slot, headphone jack. Excuse me while I wipe up my drool.
I'm sure there are people that want AI and all that jazz, but I also bet there are plenty of us who want a stable, long-lasting dependable phone, and there just aren't many options for that anymore.
mamarcac said:
I never left Oreo for many of the reasons you listed, after researching Pie a bit.
We're stuck in this kinda bad phase of phones right now: manufacturers are removing hardware features to encourage/require additional accessory purchases and forcing obsolescence (or ~$80 for battery replacements), plus new software seems in a lot of ways to be regressing. I mean, if you have a Kit Kat device laying around, boot it up and I swear you'll wonder what the heck has "improved" since that. Imagine a Kit Kat style firmware running on today's fast RAM and processors, with hardware features - removable battery, sd card slot, headphone jack. Excuse me while I wipe up my drool.
I'm sure there are people that want AI and all that jazz, but I also bet there are plenty of us who want a stable, long-lasting dependable phone, and there just aren't many options for that anymore.
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Its hilarious that you mention that
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2557353
I still use kit kat everyday my friend. Long live ticker notifications
Danvdh said:
Its hilarious that you mention that
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2557353
I still use kit kat everyday my friend. Long live ticker notifications
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HAHAHA that is too good, I had the S3 but not S4 so had no idea about your project. Now I kinda want to go find an S4... :highfive:
Danvdh said:
Its hilarious that you mention that
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2557353
I still use kit kat everyday my friend. Long live ticker notifications
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Ticker notifications are the best, and can get improved, there is an app in PS if you want them back.
Couldn't agree more with you guys. Pie is just terrible. I'm so happy to be back to oreo. Unlocked bootloader, back to oreo, relocked bootloader and turned off updates. No need to root, I couldn't get better than this and if I did root I'd lose Google pay which is awesome. No need for xda for a long time. Bye bye!
I admit that the battery was worse on the initial roll out of Pie. But I've stuck with it and this is my battery right now in the November update. I don't have or play any games on my phone though. I'm happy with it.
Forgot this screen shot.
Will my IMEI be safe if I downgrade?
NaChal said:
Will my IMEI be safe if I downgrade?
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Yes.
This is not a Samsung device where a minor mistake when modifying your device could screw up your IMEI number..
kotton666 said:
Couldn't agree more with you guys. Pie is just terrible. I'm so happy to be back to oreo. Unlocked bootloader, back to oreo, relocked bootloader and turned off updates. No need to root, I couldn't get better than this and if I did root I'd lose Google pay which is awesome. No need for xda for a long time. Bye bye!
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you can have the best of both worlds. root + unlocked bootloader + still use (most) apps like google pay that otherwise detect such things. all you need is magisk and to flash a custom kernel that disabled the bootloader check (i use flash kernel)
Danvdh said:
Its hilarious that you mention that
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2557353
I still use kit kat everyday my friend. Long live ticker notifications
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Thanks for your ROM it was probably my most favorite S4 one.
Also went back to 8.1. Only thing I really miss is the smart rotation option in the dock. What makes it worse is there is a bug in 8.1 where if you enable rotation via quick settings, rotate the device to landscape, rotate back to portrait, then attempt to turn off rotation via quick settings again, the first touch input does not actually toggle the setting, need to press again.
My other observations: Fingerprint sensor seems a little slower, charging sound toggle does nothing (known issue).
Danvdh said:
1) Volume controls, seriously google? what are you smoking? Why is it way more difficult to change my ringer volume then it needs to be? why do I need to change media volume if I'm not actually listening to media?
2) Much more professional UI, if I wanted an iPhone I would buy and iPhone, Google might as well called this update "Apple Pie"
3)Much better notification/quick toggles pull down with sub-menus for bluetooth and wifi. Why did Google remove this?
4) Split screen mode is usable again! (Videos play in split screen too!)
5) No need to worry about an OTA rolling and screwing things up, I like the piece of mind that my phone will stay on the final Oreo update until I feel Pie is stable enough (9.1?)
6) Multitasking is faster (although this can be solved with an adb command, the whole concept is still a downgrade.
7) Pie is not used by many people at all, in fact the number of total android devices running Pie is less then 0.1% of android devices Source: https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/ - We are essentially beta testers even after the developer previews.... Oreo however is up to nearly 20% distribution.
8) Battery life using Franco's Naptime app for aggressive doze gives me insane battery life, Adaptive battery is pretty useless when you use such a powerful app like this one.
9) Adaptive brightness is awful on Pie
10) My clock is where it has been for the past 7 years on Android phones, this notch thing just needs to die. Google needs to add a boolean value in systemUI for the left clock and assign it a true value for phones with a notch, and false with a phone with no notch. Seriously, do this!!!
Now before you guys come in here bringing up security bulletin updates, it's a fair point but I would just like to say that no security update will save you from being a noob, don't download shady apps, don't connect to unsecured public wifi networks, don't browse shady websites and don't click on everything you see. Much like a PC, you can get the latest Windows updates and anti-virus definitions but if your foolish and browse around unsafe and shady websites and installing shady .exe's your going to get yourself in to trouble and no security update will save you. The best security for Android is your brain.
I'm back to loving my Pixel 2!
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1) For me it's much preferred, I can always easily control media volume, which I do 9 out of 10 times, personally. I know that You might want to change the ringer to adapt to situation, but it's obnoxious to do it every time, why not leave it on an average setting or turn on vibrate mode for silent, for once a Android phone has a decent haptic feedback.
2) Go buy a Samsung, if You want "unprofessional". In real world it's called simple and intuitive, and Google IMO seems to be doing this even better than Apple ever did.
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6) Faster, yeah, but more fiddly, I found the new system more calming and it requires less tapping, and transition between apps and scrolling seemed smoother. But it's not perfect by no means.
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9) Can't disagree with this one
agreed 100%. My battery life is so much better now that i'm back on oreo than i was on pie. on pie i had to charge 3 times a day when prior to the 9.0 update, i'd easily make it 24 hours no problem. i lost over an hour of screen on time. was pathetic. i'm done with pixels after this phone honestly; google is such garbage now. also incredibly ridiculous i need to run a modded APK to get night sight on oreo because they won't rollout the new apk to oreo when it's clearly all software that was available on oreo. i'm staying on 8.1 until i get a new phone, and with all the BS bugs of 9.0, i'm def not looking forward to 9.0 touchwiz on my work note 8.
Hi
I have just received the update notification that the Oreo 8.1 update is available to download,but when I click to download and install I just get the message....
Download failed,please try again.
My internet connection is fine,and I am not rooted...
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
My model is TB-870F
Thanks.
Oh well.....I’m stuck with 7.1.1 then it seems lol
Lenovo have pulled the Ota for the time being as it bricked a fair few so they are fixing it etc.
waj1234 said:
Lenovo have pulled the Ota for the time being as it bricked a fair few so they are fixing it etc.
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I would not be surprised if they paused the OTA rollout. This update caused a lot of mess when I upgraded my 8704X:
1) the notification area went crazy (netguard),
2) I lost application read/write access to my external sdcard (I only had read access to it through the built-in file manager) therefore I had to back up its content, reformat it then restore my files. I figured out it was likely due to a permission issue it would have been barely infeasible to solve without rooting,
3) the system application named after Mobile Services started to install apps I did not want,
4) had to clear both cache & data or reinstall a lot of applications which dysfunctioned after the update.
On the bright side, the update brought:
1) a smoother experience. The overall UI interactions seem less sluggish although not fast enough when compared with a SD835. Digressing: could we get a high-end 8-inch Android tablet any time soon?
2) application startup is fixed. Some of my applications (e.g. hangar, ampere) previously did not start at boot,
3) better integration with password managers thanks to Oreo,
4) native night mode (red light),
5) touchpal 2016 keyboard removal (I could previously only disable it).
Finally, my last concerns are:
1) my tablet still cannot act as a phone. The 8704X model may not be able to place a call or some tricky network conf blocks it or I got a defective model. 4G/LTE data works,
2) Oreo is probably the last upgrade and there is no alternative rom development running,
3) (minor concern) I cannot benefit from Netflix HD streaming despite I never rooted/flashed my system.
To conclude, I really feel depressed considering the Android tablet market.
1) I was never really happy after switching from my Sony Z3 Tablet Compact to Lenovo Tab4 8 Plus. Sure, the later is more powerful and has more storage capacity. But the screen is vastly inferior (blueish, ghost touch) and the development scene does not exist as of yet.
2) there are very few 8-inch tablets worth. The Huawei Mediapad M5 may tick few boxes (slightly faster cpu) but the WiFi/BT issues, limited storage options (32Gb max), average battery runtimes are not convincing.
3) the 10-inch offer may be more tempting if you are willing to accept this format, pay the price, and opt for Samsung proprietary interface (e.g Galaxy Tab S3/S4). You cannot obtain more than 4Gb RAM/64Gb storage though.
4) the Pixel Slate is barely a prototype, most users reporting Android compatibility issues. Intel-centric, indecent price, no 4G/LTE connectivity yet, no external sdcard means you must purchase the Core I7/16Gb RAM/256Gb model.
Apple/IOS jail not being an option, I will keep my tab4 for a few months.
I don't like or have a tablet. I prefer phones for everything. My moto z2 force is my favourite at the moment.
Got the tab 4 for the wife to watch zion on it. Sold a 2018 ipad 9.7 for it as she found it too big and heavy.
Oreo update (S001018) worked for me on TB-8704X, but dm-verity is making me nuts, since I cannot go make a backup of my data partition after boot because of forced encryption, which means I have to lose all my settings and apps whenever I want to restore to a previous state - factory reset - which for me is unacceptable. You cannot install Magisk before this happens, and what is rooting without the ability to back up even good for? So I am patiently waiting for someone to port LineageOS or another custom ROM that can liberate me from this mess. So sick and tired of the stock ROM and its limitations. Go to hell, mandatory boot sec-bullies!
Well.... I'm getting crazy with this crap. I can't access the SD card in the external apps (like Perfect Viewer). I tried to reformat it but problem is still not resolved.
If i knew the update should cause all these issues i wouldn't install it, too late now i guess.
Some issues i encountered:
*Es file explorer - disabled\being uninstalled after start up and my tablet is set for timed startup \ shutdown.
*Issues with built in alarm clock app, could snooze it with a shake and now it doesn't even shows the clock when you open the cover and turning it off is pretty frustrating if you want to turn it off quickly.
*BS player issues connecting to SMB home network pc and also, when skipping files it got stuck and needs to be restarted.
So if you read this before installing the update, I recommend to wait for a better fix.