I'm looking at avoiding powerbricks in my house. I've been upgrading the outlets in my house to USB's simular to this: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Legrand-Radiant-15-Amp-Tamper-Resistant-Outlet-3-1-USB-White/50253183
would I still be able to charge my phone and if so how fast? This would be the pain reason why I don't get the 6t and end up with a pixel or something.
thanks.
I have a similar setup in my kitchen and had a 3T. You can definitely charge your phone using an outlet like that and USB A to USB C cable, but it will charge slower than if you were using the wall plug and cable that come in the box with the phone. In my understanding the fast charging through VOOC/Dash charging is enabled by the wall plug, which does the heavy lifting of converting the power. This approach is supposedly better for the long term battery life. It definitely keeps the phone cooler and running smoother if you use it while charging. That said, I doubt that charging through a non-OP charger is bad for the phone or battery. It will just take longer.
How much slower? I think I set this thread up wrong, Im sorry.
Sorry I don't have any metrics. I mostly used the charger that came with my 3T. I'd say if you want the phone mostly charged in a short amount of time you need to use the charger that comes with the phone. If you aren't going to be using it for a while you can use any other USB C cable or charger you have available.
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If this was mentioned before I'm sorry about bringing it up again but with my lack of knowledge on li-ion batteries I figured I'd check with you guys to make sure nothing is amiss here. When I was charging my n1 I noticed the back getting quite warm so I installed spare parts and saw that my battery temp was nearly 38 degrees Celsius.
Is this a bad thing or is it completely normal and I shouldn't think to much of it?
Again I'm sorry for the noob question.
Completely normal.
its normal, the wall charger charges at 1A, while USB charges at 500mA. If you want a faster charge wall charging is the way to go. I use USB because im not in a hurry and high temps are not good for any device (although im not saying you shouldnt use a wall charger, its just my personal preference).
It's normal, mine behaves the same way...
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its normal, the wall charger charges at 1A, while USB charges at 500mA. If you want a faster charge wall charging is the way to go. I use USB because im not in a hurry and high temps are not good for any device (although im not saying you shouldnt use a wall charger, its just my personal preference).
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Actually, the battery is designed to be charged optimally at .98 amps. I recall someone saying that charging with the adapter is better for battery life, and charging with the USB cable should be done sparingly.
Cool that's good to hear, I just wanted to be a bit on the cautious side.
uansari1: so it's better for the battery to charge it with the power adapter? Offhand do you know what kind of drawbacks would occur if we were to use the usb cable instead? I'll try to do some research on it a bit later, if using the adapter means keeping the battery healthier I'd be all for it.
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Cool that's good to hear, I just wanted to be a bit on the cautious side.
uansari1: so it's better for the battery to charge it with the power adapter? Offhand do you know what kind of drawbacks would occur if we were to use the usb cable instead? I'll try to do some research on it a bit later, if using the adapter means keeping the battery healthier I'd be all for it.
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What we were told, and this was in the G1 forum, was that the battery life and capacity is maximized when using the charger, and over time if you only charge with the USB cable, the capacity can go down...meaning it loses calibration over time.
Don't worry about the battery getting warm... the phone is designed for it, and so is the battery.
I recently bought new tab, it is getting charged normally when plugged in power socket. But when i plug it in laptop USB port or any PC port, it would not charge instead I can transfer data etc. I am using the original USB cable which came in box. Does any one has faced same issue?
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Samsung have engineered it so you have to even use their mains charger. Car chargers and wall chargers have to be Samsung tab brand. Not sure but there is talk of AVUSB charge cable being released. Pretty sure this has already been covered.
Turn off the screen and wifi and data network and it will charge very slowly over usb.
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The fact of the matter is the tablet requires more/not the right amount of power that your USB port can deliver.
We always here all these theories about why.. but here is the simple and only reason why.
To keep the techinical stuff short and simple, Li-Poly and other batteries have a predetermined lifetime and one of the determining factors to how long they last is the rate of charge (charge rate) time and the exact amount of mHa capacity of the battery.
This is NOT a Samsung marketing scheme as it is exactly the same reason the iPad cannot be charged through USB.
I'll give you a quick example:
If you buy rechargable batteries, Ni-Mh that state they can be charged at 2500mHa (capacity/rate) and you charge them on a 15 minute charger that delivers the right amount of power (1.2 volts) and not the correct rate (lets say they are rated for 2500 and you use a charger thats rated for more) this causes the battery life to be deminished drasitcally.
If you charge the same 2500mha batteries with a lower rating charger, they will take a lot longer to charge completely since it is at a slow mHa, but also this slower charging will provide a longer battery life.
Therefore their charger (and this is the reason why you must use their charger or any charger with the same mHa rating) is made to provide the optimal amount of charge rate (mHa) giving you the best battery life vs charge time.
In conclusion the Tabs hardware will limit the rate of charge through USB in order to:
a) Not overload the power on your USB, given that all this varies according to each system configuration (although it should not! but reality is.. it does)
and
b) In order to not improperly charge your tab, reducing your battery life.
I know the technical parts are vaguely/poorly explained but I work with Li-Po and other types so this is the simplest way to explain all this without causing too much confusion.
Hope this made sense
Cheers
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Samsung have engineered it so you have to even use their mains charger. Car chargers and wall chargers have to be Samsung tab brand. Not sure but there is talk of AVUSB charge cable being released. Pretty sure this has already been covered.
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Not true.
Samsung is using standard chargers that are wired to identify themselves as high current chargers. A non Samsung charger / external battery will likely have the same wiring because this wiring is part of the usb-specification.
The Tab will even charge from your usb-port but only slowly and if you turn off the screen since usb-ports only have 500mA (the charger has 2A).
So all the Tab does is check for this high-power-wiring. If it detects it it shows you the charge-icon, if it doesn't it assumes a usb-connection to your computer and does not pretend to charge (even if it does).
Interesting! So then a generic car cig lighter accessory with a standard USB port on it should charge it as a high output conection, right?
I am able to charge my Tab using usb connection to my PC by turning the device off. Same with an Energizer XP8000 external battery. Leaving the device on will take a long time to charge or not at all if you are using it while charging.
why? why did motorola use a proprietary charging cable? it would of been so nice to have a micro usb cable to charge the xoom. im very worried one day that needle proprietary cable going to break and it wont charge my xoom anymore.
it seems like motorola is a HUGE fan or proprietary cables, especially the v60 series flip phones.
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why? why did motorola use a proprietary charging cable? it would of been so nice to have a micro usb cable to charge the xoom. im very worried one day that needle proprietary cable going to break and it wont charge my xoom anymore.
it seems like motorola is a HUGE fan or proprietary cables, especially the v60 series flip phones.
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All the latest tablets have proprietary cables...
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why? why did motorola use a proprietary charging cable? it would of been so nice to have a micro usb cable to charge the xoom. im very worried one day that needle proprietary cable going to break and it wont charge my xoom anymore.
it seems like motorola is a HUGE fan or proprietary cables, especially the v60 series flip phones.
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Simple, many recent tablets use proprietary cables to allow higher current and faster charge times.
The average usb cable hooked up to your pc provides about 500mA
The proprietary cable for a modern tablet like the XOOM can deliver around
1.5A
With a micro USB cable it would take forever to charge the XOOM. Then people would be complaining about why the XOOM takes so incredibly long to charge, and bashing motorola for the problem. Instead Motorola chose to do it the intelligent way, by separating the charge function to a proprietary cable to allow very fast charging, and including the usb cable for data transfer.
When I see a proprietary cable I don't think - crap why do they do it this way. Instead I think wow great, that means this thing was designed for fast charges.
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Simple, many recent tablets use proprietary cables to allow higher current and faster charge times.
The average usb cable hooked up to your pc provides about 500mA
The proprietary cable for a modern tablet like the XOOM can deliver around
1.5A
With a micro USB cable it would take forever to charge the XOOM. Then people would be complaining about why the XOOM takes so incredibly long to charge, and bashing motorola for the problem. Instead Motorola chose to do it the intelligent way, by separating the charge function to a proprietary cable to allow very fast charging, and including the usb cable for data transfer.
When I see a proprietary cable I don't think - crap why do they do it this way. Instead I think wow great, that means this thing was designed for fast charges.
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THANK YOU lol finally someone that understands.....
plus, the input voltage in to the tab is 12v, hard to get 12v from a 5v USB supply...
For a bit more info, I too wondered about USB charging. The limit seems to be when the Xoom is running, the current drain can be upwards of 400 mA so I could see a situation where a USB charger at 500 mA would overload if you did too much on the Xoom during charging. That would be good enough reason to avoid that design mess. "Do not use during charging" would not be sufficent protection. The Moto Mains Charger manages 1500 mA for a couple of hours which is wonderful. Now if only I could charge my Nexus S that quickly
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THANK YOU lol finally someone that understands.....
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right? about time
I am really glad that trickle charging is not possible with the Xoom, saves a lot of problems...I just wish they had used a different connector for the power. Something a bit more durable and commonly included in third party multichargers would have been nice...but one can't have everything.
I still support the seperate power cable choice for all kinds of reasons.
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Just amazes me that folks will complain about anything and everything. Good grief, it charges in no time and runs more than a day when it does. What more can you expect?
I like the idea of a separate charger, but the only thing I take issue with is the design of the charger it self. Luckily, I just set mine on the dock before bed. The dock doesn't use that flimsy pin, it uses the two gold plates at the bottom to charge.
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I like the idea of a separate charger, but the only thing I take issue with is the design of the charger it self. Luckily, I just set mine on the dock before bed. The dock doesn't use that flimsy pin, it uses the two gold plates at the bottom to charge.
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going to have to look into that dock cause i'm not to fond of the charger that it has. so the avg. use time is about a day, are you guys mod or heavy users(as you can tell i dont have mine yet ordered and waiting for it to show up)trying to get as much real world use info as i can
i love the proprietary cable. It is SOOO much faster. My Galaxy tab with a 4000 mAH battery took almost 4 hours to charge and i was lucky to get two days usage out of it (standby time and normal usage combined). My Xoom (no idea on mAH size) charges in 2 hours and i get 90 hours usage out of it (mainly standby but still a lot of screen on time, wiht a much larger and brighter screen to power). LOVE it.
Yeah I wouldn't worry about the Cable its seems durable, only thing I AM worried about was how you plug the wires all on the side of the device, I feel like there's abit of give on the wires when holding it sideways, I wish it was more like the iPad.
You know the first time I saw that the tablets used a seperate charging cable I was like, "why?" but then I stopped and think, there's no why a USB (let alone a micro-USB) can charge those suckers, so I'm personally glade that tablet makers did what they did and make it seperate.
I just wish they chose a 30-pin connector instead of this tiny one. The slightest mistake while it's charging (like say you trip over the cord), and there goes your xoom for repair/replacement.
Lets not rule out USB charging. Yes, I love going from 5% to 100% in about an hour. But I also have USB plugged in for hours on end when doing my thang. . That being said, we do not know for certain that USB charge is a hardware limitation. Yes, USB puts out 500mV. But I can tell the kernel to suck in whatever. If the hardware is capable, its doable.
I still think the option should have been given to us. Cuz many if not all of us have micro USB around. I for one only take a single micro USB in my pocket for my phone. So its would have Been nice to be able to charge both device with one charger. But I mean scull charge usually carry me all day. So I don't see it as a major problem right now.
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Lets not rule out USB charging. Yes, I love going from 5% to 100% in about an hour. But I also have USB plugged in for hours on end when doing my thang. . That being said, we do not know for certain that USB charge is a hardware limitation. Yes, USB puts out 500mV. But I can tell the kernel to suck in whatever. If the hardware is capable, its doable.
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Its actually 500mA not 500mV. Usb provides 5 volts at 500ma for usb 2.0 and that will be picked up to 900ma in usb 3.0. Even with this in mind it isn't the biggest problem with stoppinh usb charging in the xoom. The issue I believe is in the fact that the current charger is 12 volts and 1.5 amps. That's more than twice the volts at tripl the amperes.
Even beyond the amperage issue charging a battery that is set up to input from a 12 volt source with a 5 volts supply, even if it was possible with existing xoom hardware it would take forever!
I wish there was a way to have both options available for charging. Use the USB if you have no access to a AC adapter, albeit, a slower charge.
It seems that there's a false dichotomy here; the options aren't only trickle charge by usb and wall adapter with the proprietary connection. What about a wall charge via the usb port? I don't see why the usb port couldn't be used for the charge. I can trickle charge my n1 or I can plug it into an outlet, which charges the phone much faster. I'm sure the xoom could have been designed to suck in more power when conected to an outlet.
The only plus with the proprietary port is that we can charge and have the xoom connected to a computer or peripheral at the same time.
I get slow charging with the original charger can anyone help me? Thanks
If the phone is off use gsam battery to determine What's using your battery as you charge
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Would that help if I get the slow charging icon in notification bar?
Even just posting on here it's discharging not doing anything else
AFAIK, the G2's definition of "slow charging" is any time it isn't getting (close to) a full 2A from the charger. This doesn't mean the phone isn't charging, or that it's going to take an excessive amount of time to charge. Other chargers will work fine. The Snapdragon 800 CPU supports fast charging, but the opposite of that isn't necessarily "slow".
One thing to watch out for is temperature. If the phone/battery is warm, unplug it for a little while, and maybe even turn it off to let it cool down. If it's too warm, it won't charge very well. I found this out the hard way recently when I left it on the original charger overnight, and it still hadn't gotten to 80% by morning.
Right OK thanks but should this really happen with original charger?
original cable too?
Yes original everything
Mine doesn't show slow charging if I use the original cable. I tried another cable with original charger, and it shows slow charging.
It seems like the "slow charging" depends only on the original cable which comes with the G2. I have used another USB cable with the original G2 wall plug and I still receive the indication of slow charging.
Why would LG do that? I could understand that the wall plug has to deliver a certain ampere but it shouldn't depend on the cable... (only apple would do such thing )
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It seems like the "slow charging" depends only on the original cable which comes with the G2. I have used another USB cable with the original G2 wall plug and I still receive the indication of slow charging.
Why would LG do that? I could understand that the wall plug has to deliver a certain ampere but it shouldn't depend on the cable... (only apple would do such thing )
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You have to remember that the 1.8 amp charger that comes with the phone would be considered a rapid charger for other phones. Which means the cable would have to be able to carry that amperage. The cables will always matter. If the cable is unable to carry the appropriate amount of electricity, a bigger, better cable is needed. It applies throughout electronics, not just to apple.
Hello XDA members,
I would like to ask you if you know a if it is possible to charge my Nexus 6P with the usage of my USB 3.0 OTG Cable and a Male-to-Male classic USB 2.0 Cable ...
At the moment my phone is charging with 0.2A maximum, even with a 2A wall charger ...
The only working charger is my classic Nexus 6P TypeC-TypeC ..
Have a nice day,
George.
I don't know about the first part of your question regarding the OTG cable, but can say that any compliant USB-A cable is limited to 2.4A in the absolute best of conditions. You may find an answer in the Accessories sub-forum where most of the charger and cable discussions are.
When you say your phone is charging at 0.2A using a 2A wall charger, that may be normal. Are you measuring the input current when the battery is completely dead, or closer to full? The phone itself limits the charging current by it's built-in charging profile, so it will only accept full charging from 0-40% then taper off to zero as it approaches being fully charged. See the 6P charging graph. Even with the stock USB-C to USB-C 3A charger, you're only getting less than 0.2A amp during the last 10% of charging. Not only that, but the phone keeps accepting even less current for almost an hour past 100%.
Here's a solution for my problem, first let me you clear the problem/ my case:
I want to use my Nexus 6P as a Android desktop computer.
I already found a way to charge and use multiple USB devices (using a USB hub)
for more info check out General Section I have posted a guide so you can do it too.
I also bought a chromecast because sadly we cannot use HDMI, there is no DisplayPort on our Nexus 6P.
Everything were working perfectly except the fact that my phone was discharging, while actually charging with a 2.0A USB 2.0 wall charger.
Here is the solution:
FInd a way to power up a 16V case fan (those fans that are a inside your desktop case) and make a stand for your phone, COOL YOUR SNAPDRAGON BABY!
Phone is still charging slowly, while the temperature is at 24Celsius stabilised!
Have a nice day,
Have fun with this it is suuuper cool gadget-like creation if you consider doing it too,
George.