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[Q] Pogo Cable Issue

Hello there developers,not sure if I'm posting on the right place but I have a really big problem. My new Pogo Cable arrived and I was so excited to use it,but my happiness didn't lasted fort too long. The problem is that the Tablet while charging with the Pogo cable is either charging slow ,or neither at all. This issue is available for both Lollipop and Kit-Kat,have upgraded an then downgraded with the hope that the issue will be solved. The original Micro -Usb cable works good but with the Pogo Cable in the Battery Monitor Widget it appears "Discharging" and "AC Plugged",and the charging rate is booring slow. Had the idea to measure the Voltage and the current Flow with a multimeter and got the surprise that while the voltage is 5.12 V the amperage is 0.12 A ,while the original charger pumps up to 2 Amps. Could this be the issue? Is there some electrical switch that should open and release all those 2 Amps or is this Cable a Hoax or something that is not fully functional? Thanks in advance,hope that you guys will enlight me somehow!

I've no idea if this is related but be aware that having your pogo plug connected while also having anything connected to the microUSB will stop charging. The charging icon (lightning bolt) will still appear but that I'd a false indicator. This limitation is due to the Android kernel and is present in all versions of Android.
I exclusively use a pogo plug to charge my Nexus 10 and it has always worked on all versions of Android including 5.0.2 which I'm on today. For me pogo plug charging has always been about 25 percent faster then USB charging.
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My experience is exactly the same as 3DSammy reports.

well my warranty is expired so i Decided to "surgically" dissmantle my Nexus 10 in a heroic attempt to find the cause and I have made a breakthrough (or at least I tought so). I got another Pogo cable ,and this one was good,the voltage was exactly 5 Volts measured and the Amperage that I got was 2.21 Amps measured with a 6 Ohm fuse,all these values where from the original Samsung charger. All things good,but the Tablet is still not charging at all,the same Lightning animations and even after 3~4 hours still no charge at all,and this is Lame in my opinion. So after opening the tablet,I got the idea to short the 3 and 4 pogo pins together,and assumed that this will draw all the power that the battery needs to charge,the idea was working i got 20% more power draw than the usb cable BUT for only let's say Half of hour ,and then the same old story,battery was discharging but the lightning animation was on. This is not so good and my suppose is that the Power Management iC from the motherboard is some how not managing the Pogo charge at all :laugh: so my next idea is to wire the charging Pogo pins directly to the battery and hope for the best. Regards! :good:

moky900 said:
well my warranty is expired so i Decided to "surgically" dissmantle my Nexus 10 in a heroic attempt to find the cause and I have made a breakthrough (or at least I tought so). I got another Pogo cable ,and this one was good,the voltage was exactly 5 Volts measured and the Amperage that I got was 2.21 Amps measured with a 6 Ohm fuse,all these values where from the original Samsung charger. All things good,but the Tablet is still not charging at all,the same Lightning animations and even after 3~4 hours still no charge at all,and this is Lame in my opinion
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I've got one of the original n10 from first day of issue. My battery is going to hell after being used and charged every day for the past couple years. It's been on/run everyday since Dec. 2012. I have always had a problem charging while using it. My display is always set at about 1/3 bright. When my battery drops to critical, I plug in the pogo and usually put it in sleep mode to charge. It will quick charge that way.
If I still need to use it at critical battery level, plugged into the pogo plug, it maintains power and possibly gives it a very slow increase in charge. Almost none noticeable, but will maintain power level (unless tons of graphic, camera or movies along with full bright screen).
I've just taken it for granted that this is how it works. Pogo plug will maintain battery while using and will switch to quick charge once put into sleep mode or powered off. It's always acted that way, so I have never known anything different.
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metaled222 said:
I've got one of the original n10 from first day of issue. My battery is going to hell after being used and charged every day for the past couple years. It's been on/run everyday since Dec. 2012. I have always had a problem charging while using it. My display is always set at about 1/3 bright. When my battery drops to critical, I plug in the pogo and usually put it in sleep mode to charge. It will quick charge that way.
If I still need to use it at critical battery level, plugged into the pogo plug, it maintains power and possibly gives it a very slow increase in charge. Almost none noticeable, but will maintain power level (unless tons of graphic, camera or movies along with full bright screen).
I've just taken it for granted that this is how it works. Pogo plug will maintain battery while using and will switch to quick charge once put into sleep mode or powered off. It's always acted that way, so I have never known anything different.
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Well I'm sure about what did you said,but in my opinion this is a marketing bulls$h*t. Why would I use that Pogo cable if it's role is to charge only on sleep mode and powered off?I ordered because I thought that like the instructions of the pogo says:" it will charge the battery even when you are using it for movies and browsing,being more handy ,because you have the micro USB port free." I play games ,I surf the web,so my tablet is hooked up to a USB hub so I have connected a mouse,a keyboard and a game controller,so my USB port is full,and I hoped the pogo will help. Charging only on sleep is equal to zero for me,I need live charging,in the same time as the tablet runs games and other stuff. In my opinion this "glitch" should have been told on the pogo site,so I could full understand this cable and it's role. Shame on Samsung,30$ .for nothing! Thanks for the help!

Charger Disappointment

Any one Disappointed with the charger they included with the Pure. The non removable cord just sucks and a poor choice in my opinion

I'm more disappointed at the size of the wall wart. They could have made more friendly to other power strip users.

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Any one Disappointed with the charger they included with the Pure. The non removable cord just sucks and a poor choice in my opinion
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Pretty sure they did that so you couldn't just stick any usb charging cord in their...it'd most likely fry it.

The disappointing part is the my other cords not working with Android auto. Luckily I have a nexus 6, and the cord with its charger works.
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brholt6 said:
Pretty sure they did that so you couldn't just stick any usb charging cord in their...it'd most likely fry it.
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I guess that could be a reason but highly doubt anything would be fried. Ive been using a nexus 6 turbo charger and before that i was using a note 4 charger to charge multiple android/apple devices without issue. This just limits what i can charge on a single charger now need a second lol

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I guess that could be a reason but highly doubt anything would be fried. Ive been using a nexus 6 turbo charger and before that i was using a note 4 charger to charge multiple android/apple devices without issue. This just limits what i can charge on a single charger now need a second lol
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If you plugged in a charging cord that can't handle the increased power it sure could fry the cord. I feel ya though...it would be nice if it were a USB cord.

I'm glad it looks different.... My son knows NOT to plug his HTC M7 into this charger.
I can see if this was someones first Android, the lack of a micro-USB for data would be frustrating, but I have about 5 of these in my desk drawer and throughout my house and office, so it doesn't bother me.

Also having a fixed cord means you don't pulg some 'slow' cable in and not get any benefits. Out my 8-10 micro USB cables, only 2-3 get a decent charge speed.

tele_jas said:
I'm glad it looks different.... My son knows NOT to plug his HTC M7 into this charger.
I can see if this was someones first Android, the lack of a micro-USB for data would be frustrating, but I have about 5 of these in my desk drawer and throughout my house and office, so it doesn't bother me.
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If a device that does not do Turbo Charging is connected, the charger should automatically adjust and charge it at regular speed. At least, that's what it is supposed to do. The Turbo Charger is supposed to be the single charger for all types.
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Darnell_Chat_TN said:
If a device that does not do Turbo Charging is connected, the charger should automatically adjust and charge it at regular speed. At least, that's what it is supposed to do. The Turbo Charger is supposed to be the single charger for all types.
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Good, because I know I'll find his phone on that charger some day

I still have my galaxy s6 nexus charger that is a fast charging and it seems to work fine with turbo charging
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I think the reason they made the cable fixed is because a lot of cheaper usb cables use very thin wire gauges. Since this charger puts out a lot of current at varying voltages, it's very possible for a thin cable to overheat easier and catch on fire. And my guess is, they didn't want to take any chances

How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?

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How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?
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I've got the same issue going on. My replacement from Amazon will be here Tuesday so I'll have time to mess with both and see if its the charger or what. Currently my turbocharging is hit or miss.

DrearierJester1 said:
How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?
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I have this issue sometimes to. So if I need to know if im charging at turbo I use an app from the app store to see if states I'm turbo Charging or not. In the Charging screen it will say "normal or Turbo"
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.ampere

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How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?
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You can use a USB voltage/current indicator device to see it directly. I use one that displays voltage and current simultaneously, it cost about $10 on Amazon.
The Qualcomm QC 2.0 (which Motorola terms "TurboPower) spec is 5, 9, 12, and 20 volts, with up to 2 amps plus at each voltage. The QC 2.0 chargers I've tested including the Motorola charger included with the XT1575, range up to 9V and about 2+ A at 9V, with the higher voltage/amperage when battery is discharged to a lower SoC.. Haven't seen 12V or 20V, I think those only come into play when battery is discharged to nearly zero SoC.
Agree the reason the included charger has cable attached may be to ensure adequate wire gage. Too-thin wire will increase voltage drop across cable thus lengthening charge time in higher power modes. But the design here uses higher voltage to keep current down around the same 2A max current of USB 2.0 chargers, so cable heat will not be a problem with any old USB cable.
I will attest to the benefit of QC 2.0. I thought it was a useless gimmick until I started using it. It does effectively compensate for mediocre battery capacity.

My "Turbo Charging" icon displays properly, but doesn't charge very quickly if connected to a cheap extension cord.
Plugged into the wall, the charging Stull doesn't impress me that much
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DrearierJester1 said:
How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?
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It's defective. Call moto they will replace it for free. Just have to send copy of purchase receipt. Had the same issue.

The charge rate depends on how discharged the battery is when connected to charge.
More discharged (lower SoC, State of Charge) will drive a higher charge rate.
As to the difference between this Motorola TurboPower (aka Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0), vs. other phones:
I've measured up to 1.4 amps at 5V nominal on other phones, that is about 9 watts charging power. That is max charge rate, with a very discharged battery. As the battery charges up closer to fully charged, the charge rate (power) is reduced. Total charging time from fully discharged to fully charged would be about 4-5 hours, give or take, for a typical cellphone battery.
For comparison, the QC 2.0 measurements I made with the MXPE: Up to 2.2 amps at 9V nominal with a phone battery discharged to about 40-50%. That works out to about 20 watts charging power. As with other Li-Ion battery charging systems, this also declines as the battery approaches fully charged. Total time to charge, from fully discharged to fully charged will be about 2-3 hours, give or take.
So the marketing claims about QC 2.0 are about right: A 75% improvement over conventional charging systems.
The biggest gains come when charging batteries discharged to lower SoC. If you are comparing charge rate/time of batteries discharged to only, say, 70-80%, you will not see as much of a difference with QC 2.0.
I'm not a QC 2.0 marketing shill, mind you. I pretty much ignored it, before buying the phone. But for this phone, QC 2.0 actually does a good job to compensate for the mediocre battery. I can run the battery down to 40-50%, put it on QC 2.0 charger in my car for my 30 minute commute, and it is charged to around 80+% when I arrive at my destination. There are a lot of QC 2.0 certified aftermarket chargers out there too, Qualcomm did a lot of work on the front end as part of bringing it to market. (Just make sure any AC charger is UL listed or equivalent, if you care about safety.
Caveats on cables: The cable does make a difference at higher charge rates. Thinner gage wire will impose a greater voltage drop at higher current, this will reduce power and thus increase charge time.
Typical USB cables are AWG 26-28. You can buy 20, 22, and 24 AWG USB cables. Some cables advertise heavier (22-24) gage wire for the power leads with standard (26-28) gage wire for the data leads. The aftermarket QC 2.0 AC chargers I bought listed their included cables as 20 gage.
Get the heavier gage if you want full QC 2.0 charging.

soufdallas said:
I still have my galaxy s6 nexus charger that is a fast charging and it seems to work fine with turbo charging
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Just to check did you use S6 original charger ? And does it charge same with the turbo power charger provided by moto?
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Charging Stops Overnight

Like a lot of people I charge my phone over night, but with the 6p I wake up in the morning (after a good 8hrs) and its sat on 96-98%. Even though it still says charging.
It's no big deal but when I unplug and plug back in it charges to 100% relatively quickly.
Anyone else see this? I'm using an older charger (from my nexus 4) so may try the proper one tonight.
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Isn't this normal behaviour? Most phones stop topping up the battery even when connected on the charger to avoid wearing off the battery.
I used to have my HTC m7 connected overnight to the charger and even though it showed 100℅ in the morning, as soon as I disconnected it from the main the indictor would drop rapidly to ~95℅ which indicated the above behaviour.
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I've not seen it before. My galaxy s6 always came off charge at 100% as did my nexus4 and the 5x I owned briefly.
If this is normal and happens to other 6p owners I'm happy with that
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Mine is doing this as well. It seems to charge to 100%, stop charging, and not run off power at all. Since I use sleep tracking, in my case, I usually wake up to about a 90% charge. This is the first phone I have seen do this -- they usually charge to 100% and keep running off the charger. I haven't tried the stock 3A charger yet, as there really is no need for a quick charge overnight.
pahardie said:
I've not seen it before. My galaxy s6 always came off charge at 100% as did my nexus4 and the 5x I owned briefly.
If this is normal and happens to other 6p owners I'm happy with that
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How in the world are you using an old charger on a Type-C Connection? (or are you using a converter?... if so, that may be the reason)

Just using a USB A to USB C cable into the power brick from my old phone.
Pretty straightforward really.
I'll try with the proper charger at some point. It's not a big deal.

Mine hasn't done that. Got it Thursday and it's had a full charge each morning. Using the supplied charger

normal behavior. it does that to protect the battery.

Every phone I've ever had charges to 100% and stays running off the charger to stay at 100%. Last night (my first night with the phone) I plugged it in with 31% and woke up with it at 81%. It clearly charged....and then stopped charging only to run off the battery while still plugged in. Not normal for any other device I've owned. I would prefer it to stay at 100% until I'm ready to unplug it. Maybe using the supplied charger will do this. I used a USB A to C cable plugged into USB wall port. I have replaced several outlets in my house to ones with built in 2.1A USB chargers.

318sugarhill said:
Every phone I've ever had charges to 100% and stays running off the charger to stay at 100%. Last night (my first night with the phone) I plugged it in with 31% and woke up with it at 81%. It clearly charged....and then stopped charging only to run off the battery while still plugged in. Not normal for any other device I've owned. I would prefer it to stay at 100% until I'm ready to unplug it. Maybe using the supplied charger will do this. I used a USB A to C cable plugged into USB wall port. I have replaced several outlets in my house to ones with built in 2.1A USB chargers.
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I'm not understanding why anyone would not use the supplied charger and cable.

bobby janow said:
I'm not understanding why anyone would not use the supplied charger and cable.
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Why should it matter? wattage is wattage. Does the phone charge differently with the stock charger? Do you always carry it in your back pocket? Do you ever use a car charger?

318sugarhill said:
Why should it matter? wattage is wattage. Does the phone charge differently with the stock charger? Do you always carry it in your back pocket? Do you ever use a car charger?
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Carry the phone in my back pocket? No, I don't but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I do not use a car charger either. As for wattage, I believe that the type C 3.1 chargers output at 100W and possibly 200W whereas the one you are using might deliver 18W. There might also be damage due to wiring with some of the 2.0 - 3.1 adapters but I'm still researching that.
So why wouldn't you use the type C charger? Besides, you can't plug it in backwards or upside down. And once you get a computer that supports type C the data transfer rates will be astonishing from what I've read.

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Carry the phone in my back pocket? No, I don't but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? I do not use a car charger either. As for wattage, I believe that the type C 3.1 chargers output at 100W and possibly 200W whereas the one you are using might deliver 18W. There might also be damage due to wiring with some of the 2.0 - 3.1 adapters but I'm still researching that.
So why wouldn't you use the type C charger? Besides, you can't plug it in backwards or upside down. And once you get a computer that supports type C the data transfer rates will be astonishing from what I've read.
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Do you carry STOCK charger in your back pocket.
Point is, sometimes I need to charge it at work, or elsewhere as I may use it heavily. That's why I would use another charger. Point is, why does it stop charging on the charger and not draw from the charger once it's full. Like I said, mine charged fully then stopped using the charger drawing from the battery. Kind of pointless if I leave it on the charger to be full when I leave in the morning if it's not going to be full.

I'm glad its not just me who finds this a bit odd.
I used the same charger with my nexus 5x, galaxy s6 and nexus 4 and always found the phone at 100% in the morning.
The 6p obviously works differently.

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Do you carry STOCK charger in your back pocket.
Point is, sometimes I need to charge it at work, or elsewhere as I may use it heavily. That's why I would use another charger. Point is, why does it stop charging on the charger and not draw from the charger once it's full. Like I said, mine charged fully then stopped using the charger drawing from the battery. Kind of pointless if I leave it on the charger to be full when I leave in the morning if it's not going to be full.
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I see what you mean. For a quick boost charge I can see you carrying a cord in your back pocket. I'm really trying to get a full 14-18 hours with this device no matter my usage. If I can't I really cannot justify this expense. I have 4 phones on my plan, a Samsung 5S, two iPhones 6s, and up until yesterday my N5. All other 3 got a full day plus even watching video and listening to music constantly. So no, I'm not carrying a charger, a cord or buying a car charger.
As for your problem of charging, have you tried the stock charger to see if you can get to 100%. I have already twice with no problem. Last night I wanted to unplug it once charged to see how much it drained overnight but I fell asleep at 93% and unplugged a few hours later. 6 hours off the charger it was still at 99% so I'm assuming it charged to 100 or close to it. Perhaps you can do a full charge overnight and then a spot charge during the day if you need. I'm thinking you might not.

I am also having this problem. I am using the included c to a cable to charge with. The phone stops charging around 95% and doesn't charge ever again until I unplug it and plug it back in.
These are the problems with this:
1. Cases where i do not have the included charger with me.
2. On long trips where my phone is plugged in all the time to prevent it from dying. (Streaming music, navigating, etc)
3. Sleep tracking
I'm using the Anker 5 port charging hub at 2A each port.

once your battery gets fully charged 100% - the charging stops to prevent your battery from overcharging. since your battery is not charging - your battery will drop down. once it gets down to 95% - charging resumes until it gets back to 100%.
in other words - that is normal.

Gekko2 said:
once your battery gets fully charged 100% - the charging stops to prevent your battery from overcharging. since your battery is not charging - your battery will drop down. once it gets down to 95% - charging resumes until it gets back to 100%.
in other words - that is normal.
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Every other phone I have ever had did not do this and instead trickle charged at 100% and ran everything off of the charging port, never had a phone that constantly drops to 95% then back to 100%, that would be a roller coaster during car trips. The problem I'm experiencing is not that situation either; the phone will stop charging and never get charged again, so it could drop to 80% while connected to the charger. It knows it's connected to a charger, but doesn't draw current from it. Doesn't show the charging icon or charging AC, but the lock screen shows the percentage of battery.
I do have possibly some positive observations however. Last night I decided to try it without my USB 3.0 extension cable, and only the measly 1 foot c to a cable Google provided. Without the extension cable my phone charged as it should, went to 100% and stayed there with the charging symbol still on the battery icon. Upon removal of the charger, the battery stats showed only 3 seconds of use, whereas before it would just show everything since last 100% (which was sometimes 50 hours even though i charge my phone every night). I'd have to keep observing this to see if it was indeed the extension cable.

That's interesting wrt the extension cable. I have a extension as well. Will get rid and see what happens. I keep meaning to try stock charger and stock cable but can't be bothered.
It's not normal behaviour or else it'd happen on other phones. I've had nexus 4 iPhone 4s htc one m8 Samsung galaxy s6 iPhone 5s and nexus 5x all using the same charger / extension all have charged to 100% and stayed there.. Except the 6p.
It's not a massive deal, typically it'll loose 1 or 2 percent over night once it's been to 100.

Just an update, it was the extension cable. Phone charges to 100 at stays there until unplugged as is expected behavior. Just don't use USB extension cables to charge devices

Fastcharging overheats

Hi,
as the title suggests my phone (x722) gets really hot during fast charging; i've tried disabling fast charging but it doesn't do nothing on Aicp 13.1.
I'm currently using the included charger and cable, connected to the socket via the gearbest adapter that shipped with the phone. Ambient temperature is 26C (79f).
I'm also using the cover that came with the phone.
Should i buy another charger and cable? To avoid the excessive heat i've now switched to an old Samsung 5v/1A charger, with the provided cable.
Thanks!

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Stop using the stock charger. This is mentioned regularly. Also, Samsung's implementation (adaptive charge) is based on QC2.0, whereas the stock charger charges at rate of 3800-4xxxmA. Naturally it will run warmer.
However, with all the reports of it causing the phone to shut down overnight, burnt USB ports, and QFIL I don't understand why you'd touch it at all.

Ace42 said:
Stop using the stock charger. This is mentioned regularly. Also, Samsung's implementation (adaptive charge) is based on QC2.0, whereas the stock charger charges at rate of 3800-4xxxmA. Naturally it will run warmer.
However, with all the reports of it causing the phone to shut down overnight, burnt USB ports, and QFIL I don't understand why you'd touch it at all.
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Thanks, i've ordered an Anker Qc3 charger and a new cable

USB Wall Outlet Charger

I'm looking at avoiding powerbricks in my house. I've been upgrading the outlets in my house to USB's simular to this: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Legrand-Radiant-15-Amp-Tamper-Resistant-Outlet-3-1-USB-White/50253183
would I still be able to charge my phone and if so how fast? This would be the pain reason why I don't get the 6t and end up with a pixel or something.
thanks.

I have a similar setup in my kitchen and had a 3T. You can definitely charge your phone using an outlet like that and USB A to USB C cable, but it will charge slower than if you were using the wall plug and cable that come in the box with the phone. In my understanding the fast charging through VOOC/Dash charging is enabled by the wall plug, which does the heavy lifting of converting the power. This approach is supposedly better for the long term battery life. It definitely keeps the phone cooler and running smoother if you use it while charging. That said, I doubt that charging through a non-OP charger is bad for the phone or battery. It will just take longer.

How much slower? I think I set this thread up wrong, Im sorry.

Sorry I don't have any metrics. I mostly used the charger that came with my 3T. I'd say if you want the phone mostly charged in a short amount of time you need to use the charger that comes with the phone. If you aren't going to be using it for a while you can use any other USB C cable or charger you have available.