Do you think the new indisplay fingerprint reader will be fast as the one on the back?
I saw a hands on video of the OPPO r17 and it looked like the fingerprint reader was not very fast and also it could unlock the screen maybe 3/5 times.
Can we expect a better, newer generation in the op6t or do you think it will be the same chipset?
sudario said:
Do you think the new indisplay fingerprint reader will be fast as the one on the back?
I saw a hands on video of the OPPO r17 and it looked like the fingerprint reader was not very fast and also it could unlock the screen maybe 3/5 times.
Can we expect a better, newer generation in the op6t or do you think it will be the same chipset?
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FOD will hopefully be the same as r17 but there might be an option of combining FOD with the FU along with Raise to wake and Double tap to wake like other OEM's to make it faster thus the device would scan and FP and look for the Face at the same time.
The tech is still relatively new so we can't expect the same speed as traditional FPs
We will have to wait for the official announcement and the reviews to judge the actual experience :good:
I'll take works every time over fast all day every day.
I think it's going to be ultrasonic actually.
The oppo used an optical sensor which is slower and less secure
There must be both !!
for a $1000 phone I demand to include every single feature possible !!
and half an inch thick phone is totally fine !!
and 1lb of weight is totally fine as well.
I think I'll miss the back scanner, the front one cant possibly be faster, at least not for another year or 2? we're getting like some of the first generations, if its JUST as fast, if not faster, great. but I unlock it sometimes before it even sees my face. I don't want to front scanner and wait for face even though that will be faster than just the scanner on the front...
I might even skip it and just get the 6, from my 5t red.
anyone think the same or just me? haha...
I dislike them in the back because I use a phone on the desk frequently enough it becomes an annoyance. Face ID is no help either in that situation so I've been looking forward to embedded scanners becoming a thing.
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I dislike them in the back because I use a phone on the desk frequently enough it becomes an annoyance. Face ID is no help either in that situation so I've been looking forward to embedded scanners becoming a thing.
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true, i usually have it facing the table when im out so its slightly less anti social LOL
Will be faster than contemporary optical FP readers if oneplus pays special attention to(nature of oneplus), but can no way be as fast as the traditional capacitive ones.
I am excited about this. One thing that caught my attention was the rumor of the fingerprint and time always being on, even when the phone is sleep. Has OnePlus confirmed this or is it still a rumor? Cause if it's true I feel it will be a major selling point to the phone.
I think I would prefer it like this rather than being on the back. Still using 3T and idm it on the front. Can't wait for the 6t
It's better that they are investing in this technology. Apple generally waits a couple of years before they try it. It's cost efficient to wait off, given the size of your company. If your trying to get more people interested in the phone; then you probably want to invest in this technology. Again, this is OnePlus's first time with a deal with a U.S. carrier. What selling points are going to make people buy the phone when they walk in the T-Mobile store? OnePlus still has not revealed the other ways users will be able to unlock the phone. We are still in for big surprises.
The major selling point is going to be it's a phone that largely specs the same as the usual suspects which are significantly more expensive. Going back to the embedded scanner it's the best choice once fully working simply because the phone can be unlocked while sitting at rest, you don't get that with face, iris, etc. Apple, Samsung, and everyone else will be on board as soon as they can create the user experience they want. It's the uncontested next step.
Fearless prediction... We're not too far from two factor ID for pay: fingerprint AND face. Meanwhile I'd expect the fingerprint will serve to simply unlock the phone. The smart guys seem to think this is the logical middle step because embedded cameras are still a decade out and everyone wants the screen sans notch which means a lift for the selfie cam. The lift becomes much more viable when it is only needed for selfies compared to something like the Find X where it is used for unlock. To get there in the near term you need embedded fingerprint scanners even if they weren't arguably the most viable overall option for bio-metric security.
I'd agree with Krabman. OnePlus is clearly trying to pull ahead of the race. They want their product to stay innovative. They want you to think of the OnePlus brand as a step up from your everyday Android device. Not to say that the Galaxy and Pixel aren't innovate if their own way; but OnePlus wants their own niche in the Android market. One could say; they are trying to be more like Apple. What they have to do is make sure their features and OS is unique. Eventually they should invest in some television ads. It can get expensive; but T-Mobile could always pitch in.
We're still in for a treat come time October 17th. Hopefully the phone will be available for purchase on that date and we won't have to wait a second longer. I'd really love to go out to a T-Mobile store during that week and pay for the phone.
I read at trustedreviews.com about the Huawei Mate 20 Pro that the indisplay fingerprint reader ONLY works for unlocking the phone and not for apps, that can use dedicated fingerprintreaders e.g. for banking apps etc.
If this is correct and also the same with the 6T that would be a HUGE minus for this technology!
I dunno, I think the rear scanned is better for me,,, I can pick it up with one hand and unlock it with my index finger, a front scanner will require my thumbs for this or two hands. But............. I will adapt. My 5x is long in the tooth and the Nexus atmosphere or comradery is no more, with OnePlus seemingly having it.
Yeah, sounds like you need ultrasonic for banking and we're getting optical. Phones are in kind of a weird place right now. To me it's like phones are suddenly stuck in a place where we all know embedded scanners and cameras are around the corner and it's clear now that the goal lies there. All screen, ultrasonic, embedded cameras, so on. It leaves what's out there now a little disappointing even though things are better than ever because I know that stuff is coming and I'm sure I want it.
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I read at trustedreviews.com about the Huawei Mate 20 Pro that the indisplay fingerprint reader ONLY works for unlocking the phone and not for apps, that can use dedicated fingerprintreaders e.g. for banking apps etc.
If this is correct and also the same with the 6T that would be a HUGE minus for this technology!
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On Vivo Nex S is working with app too as banking app etc IMO.
So it would be big negative surprised if 6T does not support.
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Yeah, sounds like you need ultrasonic for banking and we're getting optical. Phones are in kind of a weird place right now. To me it's like phones are suddenly stuck in a place where we all know embedded scanners and cameras are around the corner and it's clear now that the goal lies there. All screen, ultrasonic, embedded cameras, so on. It leaves what's out there now a little disappointing even though things are better than ever because I know that stuff is coming and I'm sure I want it.
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As for the fingerprint scanner I’m sure would be very reliable and smooth even being optical not ultasonic
Ultrasonic fingerprint will see next year with S10+.
It’s not ready for mass production.
Even the 2 little brother S10 series will use optical as ultrasonic is quite expensive.
Non to mention that Vivo is already working on 4th generation optical scanner that would be even better so it wouldn’t make surprising if 6T using that 4th generation but even not and use 3rd like Vivo Nex I’m sure would be fast and reliable.
https://www.gizmochina.com/2018/09/...t-technology-and-dsp-acceleration-technology/
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I think I would prefer it like this rather than being on the back. Still using 3T and idm it on the front. Can't wait for the 6t
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I was the same but when I went from note 4 to like LG v20 or something I completely changed. you'd never wanna go back to front. the ease taking out of pocket, on table if turned upside down. if not upside down just double tap.
I'd go front again tomorrow but its slower tech than back. I don't wanna go slower and pay more for first generation. and I saw the oneplus 6 on best gear for like £382 8gb 128gb. not bad. I'd actually prob get that right now from my 5t until newer front screen scanner comes in
I think a little sphere busting is in order... I just touched the front of my phone. Twice. At no time did I think, "Ok, this is my third try at touching the front of my phone, if I don't make it this time maybe I'll have a run at the back and see if I can touch that."
More seriously: I dislike back scanners and unfortunately I've been stuck with a number of em because it's whats been out there on a lot of devices recently. Practice hasn't helped me make friends with them either, I like them less every time I own one. This because touching the front is neither easier nor harder than touching the back and you cant use a back scanner without picking up the phone when working with it on the desk. Double tap is fine but you have to go sans security to use it which isn't always viable. Face ID has the same problem, when working off the desk you have to pick up the phone to light it up. Meanwhile with the front scanner you touch it and go about your business without the extra step. Going back to normal use when not on a surface, yeah, the front is just as easy to touch as the back. To me the best feature of the 6T is the scanner being located in the objectively least compromised placement.
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Is anyone else sick of the bad press this phone is getting for fingerprint sensor ? Many site saying the phone has a major flaw and buyers beware. Granted it's not the best but I personally do not use the sensor and with 3 other options to unlock the phone i think it's a moutain out of mole hill issue.
Maybe this is a big issue to security minded people?
You said yourself it's not an issue because you don't use it. The fingerprint sensor is in an absolutely awful place. This is the first phone in the past several years I won't be able to use it, and will have to use another method. I setup face recognition, but I'm sure it's going to have issues in dark rooms, plus it can be fooled by a photo of yourself.
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You said yourself it's not an issue because you don't use it. The fingerprint sensor is in an absolutely awful place. This is the first phone in the past several years I won't be able to use it, and will have to use another method. I setup face recognition, but I'm sure it's going to have issues in dark rooms, plus it can be fooled by a photo of yourself.
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Yes heard it is no where near as fast to use iris or facial recognition. Samsung obviously things an earlier release is more important than sensor placement as we know this was a last minute hash job just hope it does not ditract to much from what promises to be the best phone of the year
I've been using the fingerprint sensor all day without an issue.
Agreed. While I would have preferred it to be in the center like the Pixel or V20, finding it with a case on your phone is extremely easy. I'm sure I won't even think about it in couple weeks.
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The finger print scanner works great for my right hand. I can easily find it and use it.
MY left hand wants to go to the heartbeat sensor. It will take some getting use to, but its not unusable.
True it would of been better if it was in the middle center by itself but hahh it doesnt break the phone for me.
4 digit passcode as like, forever.
It's all marketing, any publicity is still publicity. Remember the makers of GTAV paid for negative press. On purpose! Don't be blind to how "it" works.
Again. 4 digit passcode. If that. I don't live in fear.
it always good to have finger print sensor on front. i always use the sensor for samsung pay. you may need to look backside and front side for authenticating a transaction.
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Is anyone else sick of the bad press this phone is getting for fingerprint sensor ? Many site saying the phone has a major flaw and buyers beware. Granted it's not the best but I personally do not use the sensor and with 3 other options to unlock the phone i think it's a moutain out of mole hill issue.
Maybe this is a big issue to security minded people?
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I use it without fail. The position on the back is not a problem for me. I prefer it on the back.
While not ideal, the fingerprint placement isn't a huge issue for me. As once i got my case i can honestly find it easily and not worry so much of smudging the camera.
I use my phones on the desk, table, and so on and the back sensor is an extra step for me, doesn't matter where it is or how well it works. Neither is facial or iris a work around because you have to pick up the phone. I've read many comment that after a time you become accustomed to rear scanners, might even like it better. Didn't happen with me, I've gone through a couple and I like them less and less the more I used them. While there is no perfect placement for every situation there is a reason why Apple and Samsung are trying to get the scanner under the screen, it's the placement that has the most strengths and fewest weaknesses. I'm a Note man anyways and as reports seem to indicate that we have hope Samsung will get the scanner they failed to get under this screen under that one it's a no brainer for me. My current phone is only a few months old and I picked up an LG watch sport the other day to get my toy need in check for a while. Assuming the international Note 8 can be rooted it will be my next phone.
Ive been wondering.. since its already in a bad position would it be even harder for me to reach it since im left handed.. what do u think?
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Ive been wondering.. since its already in a bad position would it be even harder for me to reach it since im left handed.. what do u think?
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No, if anything you have a slight advantage. Just buy yourself a case and you should be good.
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No, if anything you have a slight advantage. Just buy yourself a case and you should be good.
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Oh you are right i thought it was on on left side of the cam (looking phone from rear view) thank u !
I'm planning to buy S8 next week, so i wanted to hear some opinions, impressions, experiences from the people who already own this phone.
I tryied the phone at the store, it looks nice, it feels nice and it works great, but i would still like to hear what it's like on the daily basis, how's the battery life, does it lag after some time....etc
And one more thing. I've noticed some red tint at the top border, was it just me, or other people noticed the same thing?
Thanks.
I would honestly describe this phone as being the closest phone to perfect that i have ever owned! The only flaw is the finger print scanner! Battery life is very good! Display is excellent, Ergonomically its probably one of the best phones on the market! Likewise the camera is great! There is nothing bad about the device! If someone was to suggest they prefer another handset over the s8 however then iam sure it would purely be personal preference as oppose to choosing it because its better then the S8! Even the software on the S8 is massively improved over previous versions!! But....... just my opinion!!
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I would honestly describe this phone as being the closest phone to perfect that i have ever owned! The only flaw is the finger print scanner! Battery life is very good! Display is excellent, Ergonomically its probably one of the best phones on the market! Likewise the camera is great! There is nothing bad about the device! If someone was to suggest they prefer another handset over the s8 however then iam sure it would purely be personal preference as oppose to choosing it because its better then the S8! Even the software on the S8 is massively improved over previous versions!! But....... just my opinion!!
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Thank you.
As for the fingerprint reader, what exactly you don't like about it? It's location, accuracy, speed, or something else?
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Thank you.
As for the fingerprint reader, what exactly you don't like about it? It's location, accuracy, speed, or something else?
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Location mostly! Haven't even really bothered using it as a result! Tried it out initially and seemed accurate etc but the location just makes using it awkward and its just not as convenient for unlocking the device quickly as it was when we had it on the front! All samsung had to do was place it under the camera as oppose to right beside it and it would be alot better! The haptic feedback home button is pretty cool and actually kinda reminds me of using the finger print sensor on the s7 as you can essentially just press where the home button would of been and it unlocks the device! The downside being of course that anyone can do so as its not an actual security feature!!
I got my S8 approximately 3 weeks ago. I've just come from the iPhone 7 I find the S8 Amazing and it is very sleek. The software is pretty good and very customisable, the battery life is brilliant. The only problem is Samsung have this annoying thing called Bixby which is a siri want to be. It is not possible to deactivate or disable it. The only way to work around this you have to freeze it. Had some random bugs with the Bluetooth. Otherwise amazing phone.
I've had mine around 3 weeks. I have the Samsung clear case so I have no problem with the fingerprint sensor. I'll be putting a DecalGirl skin on so when I'm using the Rhino Bumper I'll still have a tactile nudge. Came from an International S6 (actually the same one you seem to have). Bit better battery life, no lag, amazing screen. I was surprised at how comfortable it is to hold and I'm happy to have an SD card again. I was hesitant to give up my S6 after it got Nougat as it was like a new phone. Can't imagine going back now.
One of the best devices this year... It's a Star on XDA!
It's an amazing phone. Best one I've ever had. I've had it since 4/18. Finger print location doesn't bother me at all. You'll love it!
Perfect. I did configured the fingerprint sensor but I dont use it much. I prefer the iris scanner, its fast. The rest you read it already. Screen, features, hardware, design, battery, you wont regret it
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I'm planning to buy S8 next week, so i wanted to hear some opinions, impressions, experiences from the people who already own this phone.
I tryied the phone at the store, it looks nice, it feels nice and it works great, but i would still like to hear what it's like on the daily basis, how's the battery life, does it lag after some time....etc
And one more thing. I've noticed some red tint at the top border, was it just me, or other people noticed the same thing?
Thanks.
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I have the international variant so experience may vary. I love it. Not the biggest fan of the fingerprint scanner position but after a couple days, it became natural. It's very smooth. Smoother than the S7 I'd have to say.
Battery life is amazing. Can easily get over a day of life, even 2 days sometimes. I haven't experienced any lag over time.
The red tint you noticed was probably burn in. That's the only problem I understand with the phone since it's an OLED display. I keep mine in immersive mode and use gestures for the navbar instead (I prefer it actually).
There was an issue with some displays at launch having a red tint which was resolved through software update.
Here my review. It has some profanity so if u don't like hearing cursing don't watch. But it's pretty popular on YouTube at 29k views
You will get used to fingerscanner location and it will not bother. Also useless bixby button can be remapped without root, so no prob here too.
Great phone!
Fps works fine and is ok to reach on my s8 but not for me on the + model.
Face recognition and iris scanner works fine.
The new Samsung Experience Ui is slick and fast.
I'm in the uk so have the exynos version.
The display just pops.
For me the dimensions of the s8 hit my sweet spot and it's really comfortable to hold.
The s8+ version for me was just too big and to me felt top heavy.
It's as slippery as any other glass form factor phone.
I'm using....
Samsung Screen Protector- the film type.
Black Dragon dbrand back skin.
RhinoShield Bumper.
Success100 said:
Here my review. It has some profanity so if u don't like hearing cursing don't watch. But it's pretty popular on YouTube at 29k views
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That's exactly what i wanted to know, a daily experience and overall impressions.
Great video man :good:
Only issue with my S8: Display light shines through right under the earpiece. Someone else noticed that?
Apart from that the phone is close to perfect for me.
Do not forget THE SCREEN SCRATCHES VERY EASY.
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I get a consistent 5 hours of screen on time every day. And as the other guy noted this screen does scratch easily. I had a buddy that scratched his pretty bad and had no idea how he did it. Haven't scratched mine yet after a couple weeks with no screen protector though. I came from a 6S+ and a note 5 before that and I'm pretty happy with this phone after flashing my unlocked Verizon version to an unbranded Canadian firmware.
uk neverlocked has problems "emergency call only"
I recommend to you that you buy the french version
http://www.expansys.fr/samsung-galaxy-s8-64gb-midnight-black-origin-eu-301130/
I had a s7 edge which is dead last week when trying to put it in water :'(. So I bought s8. So thats what I find:
1/ I really didn't like the unlock features.. the fingerprint sensor is in the back so it is just useless (ps you can save 4 fingers but I dont know how my 4 fingers can access to the fingerprint). The iris scanner cannot be used if the phone is a little bit far (in the car for exemple when you are driving I used to unlock my s7 directly with finger). To be able to unlock your s8 when its far you must use face recognition it is quick but it is useless at night because it uses camera. (Ps1: you cannot see your lockscreen before/without unlocking. Ps2: you cannot use iris and facerecognition at the same time so you must choose night compatible or far compatible).
2/ the screen ration is just so bad.. videos/apps/games are not adapted with display ratio so the phone will show two black bars at the top and at the buttom of the screen + the nav bar is, in the most cases, present in the screen and dont disappear automatically so there is no sense of "infinity screen" and I cant feel it.
3/ the battery takes more time with my s7 edge then my new s8.
So I really felt that s7 edge was better (for me) but samsung should not tell people that phones are water resistant because its not always true. (Sorry for bad english).
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I had a s7 edge which is dead last week when trying to put it in water :'(. So I bought s8. So thats what I find:
1/ I really didn't like the unlock features.. the fingerprint sensor is in the back so it is just useless (ps you can save 4 fingers but I dont know how my 4 fingers can access to the fingerprint). The iris scanner cannot be used if the phone is a little bit far (in the car for exemple when you are driving I used to unlock my s7 directly with finger). To be able to unlock your s8 when its far you must use face recognition it is quick but it is useless at night because it uses camera. (Ps1: you cannot see your lockscreen before/without unlocking. Ps2: you cannot use iris and facerecognition at the same time so you must choose night compatible or far compatible).
2/ the screen ration is just so bad.. videos/apps/games are not adapted with display ratio so the phone will show two black bars at the top and at the buttom of the screen + the nav bar is, in the most cases, present in the screen and dont disappear automatically so there is no sense of "infinity screen" and I cant feel it.
3/ the battery takes more time with my s7 edge then my new s8.
So I really felt that s7 edge was better (for me) but samsung should not tell people that phones are water resistant because its not always true. (Sorry for bad english).
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Great mini review
I'll keep in mind everything you said.
Thanks.
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Your English is fine.
I got my Xiaomi Mi Max 2 five days ago. I unlocked the bootloader, rooted the device and installed weekly XIAOMI.EU rom to the device (according to this guide). I am very happy with the purchase. My previous device was Oneplus One, which was destroyed by dropping it to the ground. I was very happy with Oneplus One. I was kind of looking into buying Oneplus 5, but decided that it is not really worth the price. Here I am going to list some of the the software and hardware pros and cons of Xiaomi Mi Max 2:
Pros:
Good Screen. 1080p is the right resolution for this size of screen. 6.44 inch could be the perfect size for me, even if my hands are fairly small. It is also enough bright in direct sunlight of southern Germany and enough dark in the night. The auto brightness seems to work fairly well.
Battery life is amazing and it charges quickly.
Camera is pretty good. Only complains are frequent refocusing and low mic volume during video recording (perhaps can be fixed by software update).
Quality to price ratio is amazingly high.
Software seems fairly stable and has a lot of features. There are many features that help using the device with one hand. However, it is too risk to use it with one hand without protective cover (unless you are a World class finger acrobat).
Fingerprint reader works good. I can use it to unlock screen. I can also lock some of the apps such as gmail, which can be unlocked with another tap. This is very useful, when giving phone to kids. They can use only the apps of my choice.
The device does not get too warm. I don't play games, but some other devices, such as, Samsung Galaxy Note 4 got really hot even doing simple tasks.
Loud stereo speakers.
Snapdragon 625 is hated and loved by some. I personally think that it is an excellent processor. It has enough speed, does not overheat or throttle. Makes battery life almost immortal.
Cons:
Easy to muffle the speaker on the bottom with the holding hand.
4G support is lacking, however, it worked well in simple web browsing in Munich, Germany.
No Xposed (just like in all Nougat devices).
I could not find any way to toggle flashlight, when screen is off. In Oneplus One, I used Xposed Torch to toggle the flashlight by pressing volume up button for a couple of seconds. It is very uncomfortable for eyes in the night to have to first unlock screen and then press buttons to start the torch.
Battery saving seems quite aggressive (is also a pro). However, most apps seem to work after you disable it for them. However, flashlight widget, Skype and Hangouts do not work for some reason, even if I disabled battery optimizations and enabled autostart for them. I tried wifi and network.
Sometimes the fingerprint scanner stops working. I need to input the password to make it work again. This happens randomly without restart.
Because the device is not sold in Europe, I did not get protective cover yet.
Charger does not have EU-plug, so I have to use converter until I get another charger that I ordered separately.
As expected, it is very difficult to use the device with one hand. However, I think that the immersive experience of the big screen outweighs the cons.
Capacitive buttons on the bottom have fairly narrow area to press. It takes some time to get used to their locations.
Fingerprint scanner location is not good. Front would be the best, so the device would not have to be lifted from table. Even having the scanner lower would make more sense. Reaching to it with one hand ain't a simple task.
The size makes it difficult to fit to pocket. Well can't really expect anything else.
As a summary, there are some cons, but I guess most of them can be fixed with software update. Awesome device.
*Update: I managed to fix Skype by giving all permissions from settings. Hangouts still does not work. It is even that bad that I have to restart phone,when I try to make call. The mentioned fingerprint scanner stopping working bug starts to get to my nerves. It happens very often. It can happen even by pressing power button and immediately trying to unlock with fingerprint scanner.
*Update: Fingerprint scanner stopping bug disappeared. I do not know the reason. Perhaps, I changed some setting, uninstalled some app or somehow having a protective cover helps. I have not seen it happening in several days.
*Update: I have a new protective cover for the device (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B071CXRY9V/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1). I fear now much less that it is going to break, but it does not have as much protection as my Spigen cover for Oneplus One had.
*Update: I installed style ring (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/360...s-Samsung-HUAWEI-Smart-Phone/32801740801.html) and pop socket (also from Aliexpress, but not on sale anymore) to the back of the cover. In addition, I installed Floating Menu to reach most used function easily (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ksxkq.floating). Now I can use the phone for most of tasks with one hand. Looks kind of ridiculous but who cares.
thank you.
i am gonna waiting for the black EU version ... put on it a rugged case and you have a perfect immortal(battery...) phone
wwwwe said:
I got my Xiaomi Mi Max 2 five days ago. I unlocked the bootloader, rooted the device and installed weekly XIAOMI.EU rom to the device (according to this guide). I am very happy with the purchase. My previous device was Oneplus One, which was destroyed by dropping it to the ground. I was very happy with Oneplus One. I was kind of looking into buying Oneplus 5, but decided that it is not really worth the price. Here I am going to list some of the the software and hardware pros and cons of Xiaomi Mi Max 2:
Pros:
Good Screen. 1080p is the right resolution for this size of screen. 6.44 inch could be the perfect size for me, even if my hands are fairly small. It is also enough bright in direct sunlight of southern Germany and enough dark in the night. The auto brightness seems to work fairly well.
Battery life is amazing and it charges quickly.
Camera is pretty good. Only complains are frequent refocusing and low mic volume during video recording (perhaps can be fixed by software update).
Quality to price ratio is amazingly high.
Software seems fairly stable and has a lot of features. There are many features that help using the device with one hand. However, it is too risk to use it with one hand without protective cover (unless you are a World class finger acrobat).
Fingerprint reader works good. I can use it to unlock screen. I can also lock some of the apps such as gmail, which can be unlocked with another tap. This is very useful, when giving phone to kids. They can use only the apps of my choice.
The device does not get too warm. I don't play games, but some other devices, such as, Samsung Galaxy Note 4 got really hot even doing simple tasks.
Loud stereo speakers.
Snapdragon 625 is hated and loved by some. I personally think that it is an excellent processor. It has enough speed, does not overheat or throttle. Makes battery life almost immortal.
Cons:
Easy to muffle the speaker on the bottom with the holding hand.
4G support is lacking, however, it worked well in simple web browsing in Munich, Germany.
No Xposed (just like in all Nougat devices).
I could not find any way to toggle flashlight, when screen is off. In Oneplus One, I used Xposed Torch to toggle the flashlight by pressing volume up button for a couple of seconds. It is very uncomfortable for eyes in the night to have to first unlock screen and then press buttons to start the torch.
Battery saving seems quite aggressive (is also a pro). However, most apps seem to work after you disable it for them. However, flashlight widget, Skype and Hangouts do not work for some reason, even if I disabled battery optimizations and enabled autostart for them. I tried wifi and network.
Sometimes the fingerprint scanner stops working. I need to input the password to make it work again. This happens randomly without restart.
Because the device is not sold in Europe, I did not get protective cover yet.
Charger does not have EU-plug, so I have to use converter until I get another charger that I ordered separately.
As expected, it is very difficult to use the device with one hand. However, I think that the immersive experience of the big screen outweighs the cons.
Capacitive buttons on the bottom have fairly narrow area to press. It takes some time to get used to their locations.
Fingerprint scanner location is not good. Front would be the best, so the device would not have to be lifted from table. Even having the scanner lower would make more sense. Reaching to it with one hand ain't a simple task.
The size makes it difficult to fit to pocket. Well can't really expect anything else.
As a summary, there are some cons, but I guess most of them can be fixed with software update. Awesome device.
*Update: I managed to fix Skype by giving all permissions from settings. Hangouts still does not work. It is even that bad that I have to restart phone,when I try to make call. The mentioned fingerprint scanner stopping working bug starts to get to my nerves. It happens very often. It can happen even by pressing power button and immediately trying to unlock with fingerprint scanner.
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Not sure if you mentioned it but do you have the Chinese version or the global/international version? From what I understand the global version should be more stable.
I have Chinese version. Global was not published when I bought the device.
On my nexus phones, if I dont use the phone for more than 4 hours, the device needs pin or patter unlock , even if fingerprint is setup, for added security. Maybe they added this in MIUI that you are running on Max2 (it is not available on latest beta/global miui for max 1). Just saying...
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On my nexus phones, if I dont use the phone for more than 4 hours, the device needs pin or patter unlock , even if fingerprint is setup, for added security. Maybe they added this in MIUI that you are running on Max2 (it is not available on latest beta/global miui for max 1). Just saying...
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Hmm, not sure what nexus device you're using (I have a nexus 6P) and the only situations it still asks for your pin/pattern in addition to your fingerprint are
1) When you unlock the phone for the first time after it's been rebooted
2) 48 hours after you last unlocked it using your pin/pattern
3) Your fingerprint isn't recognized after multiple tries
4) You switched to a different user on the device
To your point, it shouldn't do this after only 4 hours. It should take one of the other conditions listed above or 48 hours before it asks you for your pin again.
The 'bug' with the fingerprint scanner not working until you input your password is due to false reads. If it fails your fingerprint 5 times in a row, it will lock and only allow password input. The Xiaomi Mi Max 2's fingerprint reader is pretty sensitive, so it's very easy to set it off even 5 times just while putting it in your pocket. With a protective cover, the reader is a little bit more recessed so it doesn't happen so often.
Thanku for the true review, I'm going to buy this next week., It's being launched in India on 18th July..
I'm bit scared about its big size.. how does it feel for handling.?
Prasanhavalad said:
Thanku for the true review, I'm going to buy this next week., It's being launched in India on 18th July..
I'm bit scared about its big size.. how does it feel for handling.?
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Make no mistake it's a big phone. I have fairly long fingers but I still find the phone large but I love it. You should watch some videos on youtube where people test the size of the phone putting it in their pockets. That will be a bigger issue. If you wear normal jeans you should be fine but if you wear tight/skinny jeans you may only be able to fit the phone in your back pocket.
But if you can get beyond the size it's a great phone.
It is big but I have zero regrets about buying the device. I can use it with one hand for most tasks with the style ring mentioned at the end of the review. However, the other hand is occasionally needed. Typing with the keyboard is much more accurate than with smaller devices. Battery is amazing. Only once during the 3 weeks that I owned the device, I went below 50 % battery. That time I went to 40% battery with about 8 hours screen on time.
Thanku so much
Is it having Gorilla glass.? Please let me know
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Is it having Gorilla glass.? Please let me know
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According to GSMArena Gorilla Glass 4: http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_max_2-8582.php
No scratches in my screen yet after several weeks.
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According to GSMArena Gorilla Glass 4: http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_max_2-8582.php
No scratches in my screen yet after several weeks.
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But officially there is no information
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But officially there is no information
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I just checked Xiaomi's official website (Indian and Chinese). None of them mentioned Gorilla Glass, so maybe it does not have it, as you said.
Okay thanku.. then I think I should wait for Redmi note 5, until that launchs I should switch for Redmi note 4.. as both Max 2 and note 4 are similar except display size and camera technology
1. You can start the torch from lockscreen if you push the home button. (Press power button to turn on screen, then press home button)
2. I took some photos of my black max 2 if you want to see: https://m.imgur.com/a/uEvMU
Really nice review! Might get one myself from geekbuyng.
It's not a big phone, it's a huge phone! I'm using the original model and it's hard to hold without a case. I would put on a rugged case and that style ring to make it easier to hold and use the phone. I'm jealous of you guys getting crazy long battery life
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Is it having Gorilla glass.? Please let me know
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I find this info.
http://www.gsmarc.com/model-finder/xiaomi/protection/corning-gorilla-glass/
Hey guys I came across see guy locally that is VERY interested in trading his Essential for my Pixel XL, I must admit that I'm intrigued by this phone but very worried about all the negativity surrounding it. Can you guys give me your honest opinion since you guys are current users?
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Hey guys I came across see guy locally that is VERY interested in trading his Essential for my Pixel XL, I must admit that I'm intrigued by this phone but very worried about all the negativity surrounding it. Can you guys give me your honest opinion since you guys are current users?
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I love it...it's compact and super sturdy. Built well. I have no issues with the camera...they've updated it several times and I'm not a professional photographer. It comes with an unlockable bootloader and they said during their AMA source will be released in the next week or two. Development will be there. For such a unique device I have no qualms with it at all.
I came from the Pixel XL and dont regret it at all. I'm really excited about the future of this device. Although Essential had some issues on launch they have really stepped things up regarding customer support, communication and updates. Having them involved in the community (Reddit AMA) says a lot about how they feel about us, the customer. The build quality is superior to anything I've ever held and I change devices about every 6 months. It will take a lot from a future device to get me to switch from this. Since the updates I've had really good luck with the camera, even at night. If I were you I'd go for it!
I have a Pixel XL and an Essential - while the build quality of the Essential is top notch (feels really well weighted IMHO) and the edge to edge display really impresses, there are a few things that really annoy me.
- Placement of the hardware buttons (I keep reaching for the power button only to hit the volume buttons)
- Touch sensitivity is all over the place. Many times it does not register when I press on the screen, forcing me to do this multiple times. Given the amount of time we spend interacting with our phones, this can get pretty frustrating.
- General stutters & slowdowns. For a near-stock Android phone, this phone is really laggy when performing certain actions. It just grinds to a halt for a second or two. My Pixel XL or OnePlus 5 do not ever do that.
- Buggy software. I've noticed that the camera app will randomly freeze, forcing me to close it and reopen. I've noticed the same thing when interacting with the system settings.
- Camera: The Pixel XL camera (and app) blows this away. The Essential one is slow to focus, slow to switch modes etc. And the image quality is not comparable to the Pixel XL.
I know most of these issues could probably be fixed with tons of s/w updates, but I am not sure people want to wait and be the beta testers for this phone. For now, IMHO, Pixel XL > OP 5 > Essential PH-1. Having said that, the phone shows a lot of promise but we will need to wait and see if they can deliver on their promises.
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I have a Pixel XL and an Essential - while the build quality of the Essential is top notch (feels really well weighted IMHO) and the edge to edge display really impresses, there are a few things that really annoy me.
- Placement of the hardware buttons (I keep reaching for the power button only to hit the volume buttons)
- Touch sensitivity is all over the place. Many times it does not register when I press on the screen, forcing me to do this multiple times. Given the amount of time we spend interacting with our phones, this can get pretty frustrating.
- General stutters & slowdowns. For a near-stock Android phone, this phone is really laggy when performing certain actions. It just grinds to a halt for a second or two. My Pixel XL or OnePlus 5 do not ever do that.
- Buggy software. I've noticed that the camera app will randomly freeze, forcing me to close it and reopen. I've noticed the same thing when interacting with the system settings.
- Camera: The Pixel XL camera (and app) blows this away. The Essential one is slow to focus, slow to switch modes etc. And the image quality is not comparable to the Pixel XL.
I know most of these issues could probably be fixed with tons of s/w updates, but I am not sure people want to wait and be the beta testers for this phone. For now, IMHO, Pixel XL > OP 5 > Essential PH-1. Having said that, the phone shows a lot of promise but we will need to wait and see if they can deliver on their promises.
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I also don't think everyone is experiencing all these bullet points.
I agree it took a little bit to adjust with the volume and power buttons, they are flipped unlike my Nexus.
Touch sensitivity, I mainly only notice that on the border of the screen. I'm assuming this is setup this way so your hand doesn't accidentally touch things when holding the phone since the borders are so minimal.
Personally I haven't noticed any stutters or slowdowns. It runs butter smooth.
Software has pretty much been fixed on my end since their last few updates.
Again, this is maybe just my experience, but I wouldn't assume everyone is seeing the same issues. There are quite a few happy campers from reading through the other threads.
I think you will enjoy the phone a lot. Coming from a Nexus, your phone will feel way less clunky with these screen borders.
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Hey guys I came across see guy locally that is VERY interested in trading his Essential for my Pixel XL, I must admit that I'm intrigued by this phone but very worried about all the negativity surrounding it. Can you guys give me your honest opinion since you guys are current users?
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I would be a bit skeptical of the source of the phone.
I'd trade but you want to know source.
He would still be inside the return window.
He could sent the Essential back and get a PXL and have change back.
Personally I would do it. The Pixel XL will be replaced in a couple weeks and therefore will be harder to sell if you want to upgrade. Also, I have asked for an RMA and then changed my mind twice on this darn Essential phone because every time I feel this strange connection with it. I want to root for Essential. This sounds silly, of course. I have the S8, have had the G6 and all the other flagships before, but this phone is to me the Nexus device of 2017. I had the Pixel and Pixel XL and while I loved the software and camera, once you hold the Essential phone then the Pixels will have laughably huge bezels and will feel five years old in your hand.
So, the camera. I have taken some awesome outdoor shots and I have also taken some that look like they were from a 2014 Moto X. There is no consistency with this camera. I want to believe in it and I have seen what it is capable of, but when I reach for my S8 the experience blows the Essential away. The camera app freezes on the Essential and is extremely slow. If anyone disagrees, then I completely respect that but I will ask if you have compared it to the best of 2017 devices? That said, the best compromise I have found is this: install the Google Pixel camera and set the power button quick launch to launch that camera. Then leave the default camera app icon in the normal place. So now, I can quickly launch the fool-proof Google camera when I need to snap a quick image, but I can take my time with the Essential camera when I have that time to give. I have a 7 month old son and trust me, he ain't waitin' for that damn Essential camera to load!
TL;DR - I would make the trade.
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Man, I'm thinking about returning my Pixel 2 XL for an Essential. Wanted the Essential but then all the bad reviews of the camera and what not turned me away. It is literally half the cost of the P2XL with the price drop. It's nice to have one of, if not the best camera, but I feel silly paying $1000 for this phone when I can get a brand new phone with similar specs for half the cost. Not to mention the disappointing screen issues.
I like to run custom stable ROMs which is why I'm looking at these two phones and the P2XL will certainly have more development. I'm not even sure if the Essential has sold enough to have any decent development. I would hate to be stuck with a phone that ends up getting no development. I guess that's what makes the Pixel worth a grand. I never buy brand new phones and always look for deals on Craigslist but this time I thought I'd pull the trigger on something brand new.....the experience was meh.
I am in a similar boat as you (except I have a pixel). If this phone get done development I might pull the trigger. Partly because at least for me, the whole rom game on the pixel is just a nightmare thanks to the two boot slots. I REALLY miss the simplicity of the nexus. But I get it that having the two slots makes things great for stock users but I have soft bricked this phone so many times. If this phone can be simple like the nexus days (once the images come out) I am really tempted. Also depending on when oreo gets dropped
My previous phone was a LeEco Le Pro 3, bought it last year during a black friday sale, it was released almost 2 months before that sale. No roms or any development at that time, but a couple months later a bunch of great roms were available. I think is just a matter of time, be patience, also, we have stock android, why the hurry to flash a new rom?
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I am in a similar boat as you (except I have a pixel). If this phone get done development I might pull the trigger. Partly because at least for me, the whole rom game on the pixel is just a nightmare thanks to the two boot slots. I REALLY miss the simplicity of the nexus. But I get it that having the two slots makes things great for stock users but I have soft bricked this phone so many times. If this phone can be simple like the nexus days (once the images come out) I am really tempted. Also depending on when oreo gets dropped
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The PH-1 has two boot slots just like the Pixel.
I don't remember hearing that. Are they doing the automatic updates too? I figured it was unique to pixels
I am sending back a Pixel 2 XL and getting the Essential
30 day return policy from Amazon right? I'm just gonna get an Essential use them both for a week and make a decision
I have an Essential. It is a solid phone and performs well. However (and this is going to sound strange), it is an unbelievably slippery phone. I took their word that it was made of space-age materials and was drop-resistant, and I didn't get a case. It slipped out of my pocket the second day I owned it while I was sitting down. Screen cracked and it is $200 to replace.
There are really no quality cases available, so I would wait to see if there is going to be any aftermarket support before buying an Essential.
Jess813 said:
Hey guys I came across see guy locally that is VERY interested in trading his Essential for my Pixel XL, I must admit that I'm intrigued by this phone but very worried about all the negativity surrounding it. Can you guys give me your honest opinion since you guys are current users?
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Just be sure the one you are trading for is not locked to Sprint, unless you're on Sprint of course.
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I have an Essential. It is a solid phone and performs well. However (and this is going to sound strange), it is an unbelievably slippery phone. I took their word that it was made of space-age materials and was drop-resistant, and I didn't get a case. It slipped out of my pocket the second day I owned it while I was sitting down. Screen cracked and it is $200 to replace.
There are really no quality cases available, so I would wait to see if there is going to be any aftermarket support before buying an Essential.
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There are a number of decent cases available. I'm using the Incipio NGP Pure:
https://www.amazon.com/Essential-Incipio-Shockproof-Polymer-Shock-Absorbing/dp/B076H16TWP
A lot of people like the Tudia cases, especially the new one that just came out with the glass back.
The complaints about the Incipio is that it doesn't work with glass screen protectors... Well 99% of the glass screen protectors available for this phone don't fit right anyways... What I ended up getting was the Incipio Plex Plus Flex... which they claim is flexible glass (I think it's just plastic) but either way, it fits with their case and is invisible on the phone. I managed to snag it on a Black Friday sale because it's kinda expensive for a screen protector, but either way, my phone is now fully protected and looks excellent. I can post pictures if you're interested.
So I love my 6T! Love everything about it, even the notch..
However, my fingerprint has been so spotty, sometimes catching, sometimes don't. I wash my hands a lot at work and sometimes it doesn't work on dry hands, and sometimes the weather makes my hand cold, and it doesn't work.
Basically, I'm looking to upgrade to 7T, since I heard the screen fingerprint reader is better. I mainly use it to unlock phones and apps, and for some reason (even though sources say I can use face ID to unlock apps), I still can't unlock them.
Is it worth upgrading to a 7T?
If you're looking to upgrade just because of the fingerprint sensor, I don't think it's worth it.
Now, granted you'll gain additional features (90Hz refresh, Android 10, etc.) but all in all, I don't think it's worth it unless you can sell your 6t for a good amount of money.
Do you use a screen protector? If so, what kind? I use this one: https://www.amazon.com/OnePlus-Prot...en+protector+oneplus+6t&qid=1571340845&sr=8-3 and it's great. No issues.
I'm also on the Beta Channel so I don't know if they've made any updates to the fingerprint sensor or not.
I work in a print environment so I'm constantly washing my hands but, again, no issues.
Hope this helps.