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Is anyone else sick of the bad press this phone is getting for fingerprint sensor ? Many site saying the phone has a major flaw and buyers beware. Granted it's not the best but I personally do not use the sensor and with 3 other options to unlock the phone i think it's a moutain out of mole hill issue.
Maybe this is a big issue to security minded people?
You said yourself it's not an issue because you don't use it. The fingerprint sensor is in an absolutely awful place. This is the first phone in the past several years I won't be able to use it, and will have to use another method. I setup face recognition, but I'm sure it's going to have issues in dark rooms, plus it can be fooled by a photo of yourself.
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You said yourself it's not an issue because you don't use it. The fingerprint sensor is in an absolutely awful place. This is the first phone in the past several years I won't be able to use it, and will have to use another method. I setup face recognition, but I'm sure it's going to have issues in dark rooms, plus it can be fooled by a photo of yourself.
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Yes heard it is no where near as fast to use iris or facial recognition. Samsung obviously things an earlier release is more important than sensor placement as we know this was a last minute hash job just hope it does not ditract to much from what promises to be the best phone of the year
I've been using the fingerprint sensor all day without an issue.
Agreed. While I would have preferred it to be in the center like the Pixel or V20, finding it with a case on your phone is extremely easy. I'm sure I won't even think about it in couple weeks.
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The finger print scanner works great for my right hand. I can easily find it and use it.
MY left hand wants to go to the heartbeat sensor. It will take some getting use to, but its not unusable.
True it would of been better if it was in the middle center by itself but hahh it doesnt break the phone for me.
4 digit passcode as like, forever.
It's all marketing, any publicity is still publicity. Remember the makers of GTAV paid for negative press. On purpose! Don't be blind to how "it" works.
Again. 4 digit passcode. If that. I don't live in fear.
it always good to have finger print sensor on front. i always use the sensor for samsung pay. you may need to look backside and front side for authenticating a transaction.
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Is anyone else sick of the bad press this phone is getting for fingerprint sensor ? Many site saying the phone has a major flaw and buyers beware. Granted it's not the best but I personally do not use the sensor and with 3 other options to unlock the phone i think it's a moutain out of mole hill issue.
Maybe this is a big issue to security minded people?
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I use it without fail. The position on the back is not a problem for me. I prefer it on the back.
While not ideal, the fingerprint placement isn't a huge issue for me. As once i got my case i can honestly find it easily and not worry so much of smudging the camera.
I use my phones on the desk, table, and so on and the back sensor is an extra step for me, doesn't matter where it is or how well it works. Neither is facial or iris a work around because you have to pick up the phone. I've read many comment that after a time you become accustomed to rear scanners, might even like it better. Didn't happen with me, I've gone through a couple and I like them less and less the more I used them. While there is no perfect placement for every situation there is a reason why Apple and Samsung are trying to get the scanner under the screen, it's the placement that has the most strengths and fewest weaknesses. I'm a Note man anyways and as reports seem to indicate that we have hope Samsung will get the scanner they failed to get under this screen under that one it's a no brainer for me. My current phone is only a few months old and I picked up an LG watch sport the other day to get my toy need in check for a while. Assuming the international Note 8 can be rooted it will be my next phone.
Ive been wondering.. since its already in a bad position would it be even harder for me to reach it since im left handed.. what do u think?
Viouf said:
Ive been wondering.. since its already in a bad position would it be even harder for me to reach it since im left handed.. what do u think?
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No, if anything you have a slight advantage. Just buy yourself a case and you should be good.
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No, if anything you have a slight advantage. Just buy yourself a case and you should be good.
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Oh you are right i thought it was on on left side of the cam (looking phone from rear view) thank u !
Love my S8+.. however I think the biggest problem for me with the device is to get it unlocked without doing something very specific.
The iris scanner works fine.. but it has rules as far as how face the phone and distance yourself from it.
Are you guys also experiencing what I am as far as not being able to quickly unlock your phones from any casual position?
and to top it all, OK Google detection doesn't seem to work!
I agree I hate fingerprint scanners on the back. Tried to like them but never get used to having to pick up the phone when its laying flat on a table
Never use it anyways, just swipe to unlock. Not as paranoid as some are.
I really don't understand the bad press, I much prefer the new location!?
Before with my S7Edge if I wanted to one hand scan i had to hold the phone like a diving board, teetering out of my hand insecurely.
However with the new placement on the rear, i can middle finger scan one handded much more secrely with phone gripped between pinky, ring finger and thumb.
And finding the placement of the scanner is actually very easy to find if you use a case (any case for that matter...)
I sencerly hope people who are complaining with the new placement arent still scanning try to scan their thumbs because...that would be ludicrous!!, [emoji15anyways +1 for actiually liking the new location, a defenite improvement in my eyes of the S7 Edge.
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No, i like it. Most of the time i use face unlock or smart location unlock though.
I find it hard to hit. The LG V20 I had before with the scanner in the middle was not bad.
I've gone to using the iris scanner instead. It is working much better then the fingerprint scanner. Especially when you turn on the option to bypass the lock screen swipe.
You can unlock your phone using: face recognition, iris scan, voice recognition and you can have it unlock automatically when at certain location (home/office) or connected to BT in your car for example. Paranoid types can save critical files inside secure folder and leave the phone unlocked. In other words so many options, to avoid fingerprint altogether, if you dislike it. Personally I don't care, may be actually easier to use it on the back, than front, especially when used one handed, but I have larger hands and bought smaller S8, it may be different for people with smaller hands on S8+
I do miss the fingerprint scanner on the front. When at work it is much more discrete and less obvious to unlock and tap to read a message/email/txt etc when my phone is laying on a desk in front of me.
Iris Scanner: Great indoors and if holding phone in hand. Worthless outdoors and if phone is laying on table/desk.
Fingerprint Scanner: Awkward all around. Placement, shape, proximity to camera etc. This is my only real gripe. It isn't that the S8 fingerprint reader is terrible, it is that the iPhone one was *very* good and placed ideally.
Face Unlock: Faster and easier than the iris scanner , but same drawbacks and less secure.
PIN: Ye' Ole Faithful. Still works just fine
As a v20 user I find the back placement superior to front placement phones. Its more natural and you can get a better grip on the phone when doing it instead of risking dropping the phone.
Putting the camera so close to the sensor was a pretty poor decision I don't know how that made it into the final product.
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Wanted to be OK with it, but it's a PITA to be honest... And the recent update seems to have broken face unlock (probably works 1 time in 10). Iris scanning not that easy. I often have the phone on the desk to one side, and unlocking now means picking up the phone. Will have to investigate bluetooth pairing stuff, etc. Looking forward to sub-glass fingerprint reader (hopefully on Note 8)
Coming from a Nexus 6P I was used to it being on the back. On the nexus the placement was a bit better which made the access easier, but I like it nonetheless. I don't have my phone on the table a lot so no issues with picking it up like some other people do.
Yes. I wear glasses with a -15+ prescription, so the iris scanner is a complete non-starter for me. It won't even recognize my eyes through my glasses, and without my glasses I can't see the phone clearly enough to position my eyes for the scanner. The facial recognition is both not especially reliable and not all that secure, really. So, I'm stuck still using the fingerprint.
And having it on the back is a pain in the backside -- or on the backside, as the case may be. Even using smart unlock and trusted location, it's still a pain to have to reach across the phone and case when I'm trying to unlock the phone. The fingerprint sensor also seems to be considerably more finicky as to finger position than the S7's for some reason -- which is a bigger issue when I'm having to reach to unlock it from such an odd angle.
I honestly don't mind the position of the fingerprint scanner on the S8 - it's part of the reason I got the regular size instead of the plus. What I *do* mind is that it's a vertical rectangle - like, Samsung, nobody has fingers that can hit that when holding the phone like a normal person. If it was an oval shape I wouldn't mind half as much.
I've had to get a little used to its location over the past few days, but I find that my index finger tends to rest very close to it when I'm holding the phone, very easy to get to. I was used to using a finger on the back from the LG G4's power/volume controls on the back. I do find that it sometimes takes a little time, if you misjudge the distance and don't cover the entire sensor.
I've got a case on my S8 and it makes it easy to find the sensor. The fingerprint sensor was one of the (minor) things that made me get the S8 over the + because I figured the larger phone the sensor would be harder to reach. When I pick up the phone now I have my thumb near the power button and my index finger right over the fingerprint sensor. After I tap the sensor I just curl my finger so it supporting the phone from right under the sensor/camera. I probably have about a 75% first tap unlock rate.
I've never used a phone with a good front fingerprint sensor though, (only the note 4 with it's unreliable swipe sensor,) so I don't have much to compare to.
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I've got a case on my S8 and it makes it easy to find the sensor. The fingerprint sensor was one of the (minor) things that made me get the S8 over the + because I figured the larger phone the sensor would be harder to reach. When I pick up the phone now I have my thumb near the power button and my index finger right over the fingerprint sensor. After I tap the sensor I just curl my finger so it supporting the phone from right under the sensor/camera. I probably have about a 75% first tap unlock rate.
I've never used a phone with a good front fingerprint sensor though, (only the note 4 with it's unreliable swipe sensor,) so I don't have much to compare to.
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OnePlus 3T front fingerprint sensor is like the Note 5's but 1000 times better. No stupid clicking/moving button. It works instantly with the screen off or on. It works no matter what angle you use to touch it. It can be remapped to do many different things. It works first time everytime for unlocking the phone and unlocking apps.
When I first picked up the s8 I didn't think FP scanner was a good location. After 5 minutes using I feel like it's perfect. Mine also unlocks with the slightest finger touch and instantly. My note 5 was awkward at best unless laying on a desk. I do understand what you're saying about it laying on it's back. But I never hit the camera and it's snappy. I give it a 10
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I really like the placement. It feels natural
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I have the Gear S3 and use smart lock, so I rarely have to use the fingerprint scanner (or face or iris scanner form that matter) very often.
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As a v20 user I find the back placement superior to front placement phones. Its more natural and you can get a better grip on the phone when doing it instead of risking dropping the phone.
Putting the camera so close to the sensor was a pretty poor decision I don't know how that made it into the final product.
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Honestly I think it was just for symmetry. To me there isn't any other logical reasoning (unless it's tied to the other electronics located there like the cam and heart rate sensor)
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I got my Xiaomi Mi Max 2 five days ago. I unlocked the bootloader, rooted the device and installed weekly XIAOMI.EU rom to the device (according to this guide). I am very happy with the purchase. My previous device was Oneplus One, which was destroyed by dropping it to the ground. I was very happy with Oneplus One. I was kind of looking into buying Oneplus 5, but decided that it is not really worth the price. Here I am going to list some of the the software and hardware pros and cons of Xiaomi Mi Max 2:
Pros:
Good Screen. 1080p is the right resolution for this size of screen. 6.44 inch could be the perfect size for me, even if my hands are fairly small. It is also enough bright in direct sunlight of southern Germany and enough dark in the night. The auto brightness seems to work fairly well.
Battery life is amazing and it charges quickly.
Camera is pretty good. Only complains are frequent refocusing and low mic volume during video recording (perhaps can be fixed by software update).
Quality to price ratio is amazingly high.
Software seems fairly stable and has a lot of features. There are many features that help using the device with one hand. However, it is too risk to use it with one hand without protective cover (unless you are a World class finger acrobat).
Fingerprint reader works good. I can use it to unlock screen. I can also lock some of the apps such as gmail, which can be unlocked with another tap. This is very useful, when giving phone to kids. They can use only the apps of my choice.
The device does not get too warm. I don't play games, but some other devices, such as, Samsung Galaxy Note 4 got really hot even doing simple tasks.
Loud stereo speakers.
Snapdragon 625 is hated and loved by some. I personally think that it is an excellent processor. It has enough speed, does not overheat or throttle. Makes battery life almost immortal.
Cons:
Easy to muffle the speaker on the bottom with the holding hand.
4G support is lacking, however, it worked well in simple web browsing in Munich, Germany.
No Xposed (just like in all Nougat devices).
I could not find any way to toggle flashlight, when screen is off. In Oneplus One, I used Xposed Torch to toggle the flashlight by pressing volume up button for a couple of seconds. It is very uncomfortable for eyes in the night to have to first unlock screen and then press buttons to start the torch.
Battery saving seems quite aggressive (is also a pro). However, most apps seem to work after you disable it for them. However, flashlight widget, Skype and Hangouts do not work for some reason, even if I disabled battery optimizations and enabled autostart for them. I tried wifi and network.
Sometimes the fingerprint scanner stops working. I need to input the password to make it work again. This happens randomly without restart.
Because the device is not sold in Europe, I did not get protective cover yet.
Charger does not have EU-plug, so I have to use converter until I get another charger that I ordered separately.
As expected, it is very difficult to use the device with one hand. However, I think that the immersive experience of the big screen outweighs the cons.
Capacitive buttons on the bottom have fairly narrow area to press. It takes some time to get used to their locations.
Fingerprint scanner location is not good. Front would be the best, so the device would not have to be lifted from table. Even having the scanner lower would make more sense. Reaching to it with one hand ain't a simple task.
The size makes it difficult to fit to pocket. Well can't really expect anything else.
As a summary, there are some cons, but I guess most of them can be fixed with software update. Awesome device.
*Update: I managed to fix Skype by giving all permissions from settings. Hangouts still does not work. It is even that bad that I have to restart phone,when I try to make call. The mentioned fingerprint scanner stopping working bug starts to get to my nerves. It happens very often. It can happen even by pressing power button and immediately trying to unlock with fingerprint scanner.
*Update: Fingerprint scanner stopping bug disappeared. I do not know the reason. Perhaps, I changed some setting, uninstalled some app or somehow having a protective cover helps. I have not seen it happening in several days.
*Update: I have a new protective cover for the device (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B071CXRY9V/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1). I fear now much less that it is going to break, but it does not have as much protection as my Spigen cover for Oneplus One had.
*Update: I installed style ring (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/360...s-Samsung-HUAWEI-Smart-Phone/32801740801.html) and pop socket (also from Aliexpress, but not on sale anymore) to the back of the cover. In addition, I installed Floating Menu to reach most used function easily (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ksxkq.floating). Now I can use the phone for most of tasks with one hand. Looks kind of ridiculous but who cares.
thank you.
i am gonna waiting for the black EU version ... put on it a rugged case and you have a perfect immortal(battery...) phone
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I got my Xiaomi Mi Max 2 five days ago. I unlocked the bootloader, rooted the device and installed weekly XIAOMI.EU rom to the device (according to this guide). I am very happy with the purchase. My previous device was Oneplus One, which was destroyed by dropping it to the ground. I was very happy with Oneplus One. I was kind of looking into buying Oneplus 5, but decided that it is not really worth the price. Here I am going to list some of the the software and hardware pros and cons of Xiaomi Mi Max 2:
Pros:
Good Screen. 1080p is the right resolution for this size of screen. 6.44 inch could be the perfect size for me, even if my hands are fairly small. It is also enough bright in direct sunlight of southern Germany and enough dark in the night. The auto brightness seems to work fairly well.
Battery life is amazing and it charges quickly.
Camera is pretty good. Only complains are frequent refocusing and low mic volume during video recording (perhaps can be fixed by software update).
Quality to price ratio is amazingly high.
Software seems fairly stable and has a lot of features. There are many features that help using the device with one hand. However, it is too risk to use it with one hand without protective cover (unless you are a World class finger acrobat).
Fingerprint reader works good. I can use it to unlock screen. I can also lock some of the apps such as gmail, which can be unlocked with another tap. This is very useful, when giving phone to kids. They can use only the apps of my choice.
The device does not get too warm. I don't play games, but some other devices, such as, Samsung Galaxy Note 4 got really hot even doing simple tasks.
Loud stereo speakers.
Snapdragon 625 is hated and loved by some. I personally think that it is an excellent processor. It has enough speed, does not overheat or throttle. Makes battery life almost immortal.
Cons:
Easy to muffle the speaker on the bottom with the holding hand.
4G support is lacking, however, it worked well in simple web browsing in Munich, Germany.
No Xposed (just like in all Nougat devices).
I could not find any way to toggle flashlight, when screen is off. In Oneplus One, I used Xposed Torch to toggle the flashlight by pressing volume up button for a couple of seconds. It is very uncomfortable for eyes in the night to have to first unlock screen and then press buttons to start the torch.
Battery saving seems quite aggressive (is also a pro). However, most apps seem to work after you disable it for them. However, flashlight widget, Skype and Hangouts do not work for some reason, even if I disabled battery optimizations and enabled autostart for them. I tried wifi and network.
Sometimes the fingerprint scanner stops working. I need to input the password to make it work again. This happens randomly without restart.
Because the device is not sold in Europe, I did not get protective cover yet.
Charger does not have EU-plug, so I have to use converter until I get another charger that I ordered separately.
As expected, it is very difficult to use the device with one hand. However, I think that the immersive experience of the big screen outweighs the cons.
Capacitive buttons on the bottom have fairly narrow area to press. It takes some time to get used to their locations.
Fingerprint scanner location is not good. Front would be the best, so the device would not have to be lifted from table. Even having the scanner lower would make more sense. Reaching to it with one hand ain't a simple task.
The size makes it difficult to fit to pocket. Well can't really expect anything else.
As a summary, there are some cons, but I guess most of them can be fixed with software update. Awesome device.
*Update: I managed to fix Skype by giving all permissions from settings. Hangouts still does not work. It is even that bad that I have to restart phone,when I try to make call. The mentioned fingerprint scanner stopping working bug starts to get to my nerves. It happens very often. It can happen even by pressing power button and immediately trying to unlock with fingerprint scanner.
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Not sure if you mentioned it but do you have the Chinese version or the global/international version? From what I understand the global version should be more stable.
I have Chinese version. Global was not published when I bought the device.
On my nexus phones, if I dont use the phone for more than 4 hours, the device needs pin or patter unlock , even if fingerprint is setup, for added security. Maybe they added this in MIUI that you are running on Max2 (it is not available on latest beta/global miui for max 1). Just saying...
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On my nexus phones, if I dont use the phone for more than 4 hours, the device needs pin or patter unlock , even if fingerprint is setup, for added security. Maybe they added this in MIUI that you are running on Max2 (it is not available on latest beta/global miui for max 1). Just saying...
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Hmm, not sure what nexus device you're using (I have a nexus 6P) and the only situations it still asks for your pin/pattern in addition to your fingerprint are
1) When you unlock the phone for the first time after it's been rebooted
2) 48 hours after you last unlocked it using your pin/pattern
3) Your fingerprint isn't recognized after multiple tries
4) You switched to a different user on the device
To your point, it shouldn't do this after only 4 hours. It should take one of the other conditions listed above or 48 hours before it asks you for your pin again.
The 'bug' with the fingerprint scanner not working until you input your password is due to false reads. If it fails your fingerprint 5 times in a row, it will lock and only allow password input. The Xiaomi Mi Max 2's fingerprint reader is pretty sensitive, so it's very easy to set it off even 5 times just while putting it in your pocket. With a protective cover, the reader is a little bit more recessed so it doesn't happen so often.
Thanku for the true review, I'm going to buy this next week., It's being launched in India on 18th July..
I'm bit scared about its big size.. how does it feel for handling.?
Prasanhavalad said:
Thanku for the true review, I'm going to buy this next week., It's being launched in India on 18th July..
I'm bit scared about its big size.. how does it feel for handling.?
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Make no mistake it's a big phone. I have fairly long fingers but I still find the phone large but I love it. You should watch some videos on youtube where people test the size of the phone putting it in their pockets. That will be a bigger issue. If you wear normal jeans you should be fine but if you wear tight/skinny jeans you may only be able to fit the phone in your back pocket.
But if you can get beyond the size it's a great phone.
It is big but I have zero regrets about buying the device. I can use it with one hand for most tasks with the style ring mentioned at the end of the review. However, the other hand is occasionally needed. Typing with the keyboard is much more accurate than with smaller devices. Battery is amazing. Only once during the 3 weeks that I owned the device, I went below 50 % battery. That time I went to 40% battery with about 8 hours screen on time.
Thanku so much
Is it having Gorilla glass.? Please let me know
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Is it having Gorilla glass.? Please let me know
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According to GSMArena Gorilla Glass 4: http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_max_2-8582.php
No scratches in my screen yet after several weeks.
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According to GSMArena Gorilla Glass 4: http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_max_2-8582.php
No scratches in my screen yet after several weeks.
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But officially there is no information
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But officially there is no information
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I just checked Xiaomi's official website (Indian and Chinese). None of them mentioned Gorilla Glass, so maybe it does not have it, as you said.
Okay thanku.. then I think I should wait for Redmi note 5, until that launchs I should switch for Redmi note 4.. as both Max 2 and note 4 are similar except display size and camera technology
1. You can start the torch from lockscreen if you push the home button. (Press power button to turn on screen, then press home button)
2. I took some photos of my black max 2 if you want to see: https://m.imgur.com/a/uEvMU
Really nice review! Might get one myself from geekbuyng.
It's not a big phone, it's a huge phone! I'm using the original model and it's hard to hold without a case. I would put on a rugged case and that style ring to make it easier to hold and use the phone. I'm jealous of you guys getting crazy long battery life
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Is it having Gorilla glass.? Please let me know
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I find this info.
http://www.gsmarc.com/model-finder/xiaomi/protection/corning-gorilla-glass/
Do you think the new indisplay fingerprint reader will be fast as the one on the back?
I saw a hands on video of the OPPO r17 and it looked like the fingerprint reader was not very fast and also it could unlock the screen maybe 3/5 times.
Can we expect a better, newer generation in the op6t or do you think it will be the same chipset?
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Do you think the new indisplay fingerprint reader will be fast as the one on the back?
I saw a hands on video of the OPPO r17 and it looked like the fingerprint reader was not very fast and also it could unlock the screen maybe 3/5 times.
Can we expect a better, newer generation in the op6t or do you think it will be the same chipset?
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FOD will hopefully be the same as r17 but there might be an option of combining FOD with the FU along with Raise to wake and Double tap to wake like other OEM's to make it faster thus the device would scan and FP and look for the Face at the same time.
The tech is still relatively new so we can't expect the same speed as traditional FPs
We will have to wait for the official announcement and the reviews to judge the actual experience :good:
I'll take works every time over fast all day every day.
I think it's going to be ultrasonic actually.
The oppo used an optical sensor which is slower and less secure
There must be both !!
for a $1000 phone I demand to include every single feature possible !!
and half an inch thick phone is totally fine !!
and 1lb of weight is totally fine as well.
I think I'll miss the back scanner, the front one cant possibly be faster, at least not for another year or 2? we're getting like some of the first generations, if its JUST as fast, if not faster, great. but I unlock it sometimes before it even sees my face. I don't want to front scanner and wait for face even though that will be faster than just the scanner on the front...
I might even skip it and just get the 6, from my 5t red.
anyone think the same or just me? haha...
I dislike them in the back because I use a phone on the desk frequently enough it becomes an annoyance. Face ID is no help either in that situation so I've been looking forward to embedded scanners becoming a thing.
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I dislike them in the back because I use a phone on the desk frequently enough it becomes an annoyance. Face ID is no help either in that situation so I've been looking forward to embedded scanners becoming a thing.
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true, i usually have it facing the table when im out so its slightly less anti social LOL
Will be faster than contemporary optical FP readers if oneplus pays special attention to(nature of oneplus), but can no way be as fast as the traditional capacitive ones.
I am excited about this. One thing that caught my attention was the rumor of the fingerprint and time always being on, even when the phone is sleep. Has OnePlus confirmed this or is it still a rumor? Cause if it's true I feel it will be a major selling point to the phone.
I think I would prefer it like this rather than being on the back. Still using 3T and idm it on the front. Can't wait for the 6t
It's better that they are investing in this technology. Apple generally waits a couple of years before they try it. It's cost efficient to wait off, given the size of your company. If your trying to get more people interested in the phone; then you probably want to invest in this technology. Again, this is OnePlus's first time with a deal with a U.S. carrier. What selling points are going to make people buy the phone when they walk in the T-Mobile store? OnePlus still has not revealed the other ways users will be able to unlock the phone. We are still in for big surprises.
The major selling point is going to be it's a phone that largely specs the same as the usual suspects which are significantly more expensive. Going back to the embedded scanner it's the best choice once fully working simply because the phone can be unlocked while sitting at rest, you don't get that with face, iris, etc. Apple, Samsung, and everyone else will be on board as soon as they can create the user experience they want. It's the uncontested next step.
Fearless prediction... We're not too far from two factor ID for pay: fingerprint AND face. Meanwhile I'd expect the fingerprint will serve to simply unlock the phone. The smart guys seem to think this is the logical middle step because embedded cameras are still a decade out and everyone wants the screen sans notch which means a lift for the selfie cam. The lift becomes much more viable when it is only needed for selfies compared to something like the Find X where it is used for unlock. To get there in the near term you need embedded fingerprint scanners even if they weren't arguably the most viable overall option for bio-metric security.
I'd agree with Krabman. OnePlus is clearly trying to pull ahead of the race. They want their product to stay innovative. They want you to think of the OnePlus brand as a step up from your everyday Android device. Not to say that the Galaxy and Pixel aren't innovate if their own way; but OnePlus wants their own niche in the Android market. One could say; they are trying to be more like Apple. What they have to do is make sure their features and OS is unique. Eventually they should invest in some television ads. It can get expensive; but T-Mobile could always pitch in.
We're still in for a treat come time October 17th. Hopefully the phone will be available for purchase on that date and we won't have to wait a second longer. I'd really love to go out to a T-Mobile store during that week and pay for the phone.
I read at trustedreviews.com about the Huawei Mate 20 Pro that the indisplay fingerprint reader ONLY works for unlocking the phone and not for apps, that can use dedicated fingerprintreaders e.g. for banking apps etc.
If this is correct and also the same with the 6T that would be a HUGE minus for this technology!
I dunno, I think the rear scanned is better for me,,, I can pick it up with one hand and unlock it with my index finger, a front scanner will require my thumbs for this or two hands. But............. I will adapt. My 5x is long in the tooth and the Nexus atmosphere or comradery is no more, with OnePlus seemingly having it.
Yeah, sounds like you need ultrasonic for banking and we're getting optical. Phones are in kind of a weird place right now. To me it's like phones are suddenly stuck in a place where we all know embedded scanners and cameras are around the corner and it's clear now that the goal lies there. All screen, ultrasonic, embedded cameras, so on. It leaves what's out there now a little disappointing even though things are better than ever because I know that stuff is coming and I'm sure I want it.
TarkoonXDA said:
I read at trustedreviews.com about the Huawei Mate 20 Pro that the indisplay fingerprint reader ONLY works for unlocking the phone and not for apps, that can use dedicated fingerprintreaders e.g. for banking apps etc.
If this is correct and also the same with the 6T that would be a HUGE minus for this technology!
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On Vivo Nex S is working with app too as banking app etc IMO.
So it would be big negative surprised if 6T does not support.
krabman said:
Yeah, sounds like you need ultrasonic for banking and we're getting optical. Phones are in kind of a weird place right now. To me it's like phones are suddenly stuck in a place where we all know embedded scanners and cameras are around the corner and it's clear now that the goal lies there. All screen, ultrasonic, embedded cameras, so on. It leaves what's out there now a little disappointing even though things are better than ever because I know that stuff is coming and I'm sure I want it.
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As for the fingerprint scanner I’m sure would be very reliable and smooth even being optical not ultasonic
Ultrasonic fingerprint will see next year with S10+.
It’s not ready for mass production.
Even the 2 little brother S10 series will use optical as ultrasonic is quite expensive.
Non to mention that Vivo is already working on 4th generation optical scanner that would be even better so it wouldn’t make surprising if 6T using that 4th generation but even not and use 3rd like Vivo Nex I’m sure would be fast and reliable.
https://www.gizmochina.com/2018/09/...t-technology-and-dsp-acceleration-technology/
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SourPower said:
I think I would prefer it like this rather than being on the back. Still using 3T and idm it on the front. Can't wait for the 6t
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I was the same but when I went from note 4 to like LG v20 or something I completely changed. you'd never wanna go back to front. the ease taking out of pocket, on table if turned upside down. if not upside down just double tap.
I'd go front again tomorrow but its slower tech than back. I don't wanna go slower and pay more for first generation. and I saw the oneplus 6 on best gear for like £382 8gb 128gb. not bad. I'd actually prob get that right now from my 5t until newer front screen scanner comes in
I think a little sphere busting is in order... I just touched the front of my phone. Twice. At no time did I think, "Ok, this is my third try at touching the front of my phone, if I don't make it this time maybe I'll have a run at the back and see if I can touch that."
More seriously: I dislike back scanners and unfortunately I've been stuck with a number of em because it's whats been out there on a lot of devices recently. Practice hasn't helped me make friends with them either, I like them less every time I own one. This because touching the front is neither easier nor harder than touching the back and you cant use a back scanner without picking up the phone when working with it on the desk. Double tap is fine but you have to go sans security to use it which isn't always viable. Face ID has the same problem, when working off the desk you have to pick up the phone to light it up. Meanwhile with the front scanner you touch it and go about your business without the extra step. Going back to normal use when not on a surface, yeah, the front is just as easy to touch as the back. To me the best feature of the 6T is the scanner being located in the objectively least compromised placement.
Thinking about buying a One Plus 6T. Fine with no audio jack, teardrop, and I'm concerned about the inscreen finger print sensor. Since first generation technology heard it was slow, not as reliable as rear ones.
Wondering about people's one Plus 6T experience. Has software upgrades helped? Any technique for using it?
Mine was a little wonky at first, but worked good for the most part. Now several updates down the road I have no problems at all with it except every once in awhile if out in very bright sun light. But that's few and far between.
From my experience and experiences I have read the sensor is faster than a traditional rear one. Only issues I ever have is when my fingers are wet or dirty.
Finger print sensor and face unlock works just brilliant. dont hesitate to buy
I'll be the odd man out. I hate it. Probably 4 out of 10 times I hold my finger on it and nothing. Just glows at me, rather infuriating honestly.
10 out of 8 picks up. most probably you couldn't setup properly. you must setup same finger at least twice ?then will pick up super fast
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Thinking about buying a One Plus 6T. Fine with no audio jack, teardrop, and I'm concerned about the inscreen finger print sensor. Since first generation technology heard it was slow, not as reliable as rear ones.
Wondering about people's one Plus 6T experience. Has software upgrades helped? Any technique for using it?
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works 10 out of 10 times for me with clean fingers in any light situation. I think how much part of your finger gets registered also matters. I try to cover the whole part above the first line of the finger.
Works fast enuff not to bother u.
Never will be fast like a traditional one which works instantaneously.
How fast it is :
Imagine the time taken for a double tap on screen.
Giving allowances for differences in speed of double tap amongst us,
It will not be quicker than a double tap.
It will not be longer than a triple tap.
How often it doesn't work :
Works everytime.
Special occasions it won't work :
After a bath.
It will annoy u. Make u do twice/thrice.
It's not wet fingers. Wet fingers work as fine as dry.
May be the salt depostion form soap or the soaked effect of fingers.
Comaprision to OP7:
Slightly slower than op7.
Op6t is at the border level - anything even slightly slower than 6t will bother u. Op7 has some margins.
But op7 has no mirror black.
Soon 6T will not be available.
Buy it soon.
Kovhl said:
Works fast enuff not to bother u.
Never will be fast like a traditional one which works instantaneously.
How fast it is :
Imagine the time taken for a double tap on screen.
Giving allowances for differences in speed of double tap amongst us,
It will not be quicker than a double tap.
It will not be longer than a triple tap.
How often it doesn't work :
Works everytime.
Special occasions it won't work :
After a bath.
It will annoy u. Make u do twice/thrice.
It's not wet fingers. Wet fingers work as fine as dry.
May be the salt depostion form soap or the soaked effect of fingers.
Comaprision to OP7:
Slightly slower than op7.
Op6t is at the border level - anything even slightly slower than 6t will bother u. Op7 has some margins.
But op7 has no mirror black.
Soon 6T will not be available.
Buy it soon.
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Which rom do you use? And how did you register your fingers? (Light levels, brightness levels)
at first i had some issues with it, even after registering the same finger 3 times it didnt worked all the times and always took a while, but than i installed the mclaren edition animation and worked much better
So here's my two cents. The Finger Print Scanning is slow. I have a Nexus 6P and that's faster. But from personal observation I can say that the Fingerprint is a Hit or Miss. It depends upon a number of factors. My own case: on Stock OOS Open Beta with a FP animation mod installed (DeadlyGhost's. It's amazing. Do give it a shot. Can be found in the themes section) , I'm getting amazing speeds. I'm using a Modded version of the Ripple Animation (forgot the real name) and the color set to purple I only have to touch to unlock. This is with an Unofficial Third party case installed. While on a Custom ROM with the same setup (minus the animation) it takes a solid 2 seconds. So it depends upon your setup, I guess. Also as someone commented earlier the McLaren animation helps. If you're stock and U rooted there is a guide. Just search around XDA. If you're Rooted, try the aforementioned Animation Mod. Though it will only work on OxygenOS.
I switched from LG to this phone. I got sick of lgs late updates. I'm glad that I did. There is a lot of development here for this phone. Plus with the ROM, mods, etc this phone is the best daily driver that I have ever owned.
One trick I used was to only setup my two thumbs and one index finger.
OP6T only allows for 5 fingerprints to be setup. I use two slots for each thumb. OOS uses images to recognize your prints. By using two slots you add more images to the same finger which makes it even faster. Setting up the same finger twice can be difficult as it will take time because your print will be recognized, but this gives you the chance to capture your print at every angle possible.
Never found the sensor to be particularly slow.. it's faster than a iPhone 6s Plus.
When I bought this device I was a little worried like you, but trust me, the sensor is not a problem, is not perfect but neither horrible, it just works fine.
Mannan Qamar said:
So here's my two cents. The Finger Print Scanning is slow. I have a Nexus 6P and that's faster. But from personal observation I can say that the Fingerprint is a Hit or Miss. It depends upon a number of factors. My own case: on Stock OOS Open Beta with a FP animation mod installed (DeadlyGhost's. It's amazing. Do give it a shot. Can be found in the themes section) , I'm getting amazing speeds. I'm using a Modded version of the Ripple Animation (forgot the real name) and the color set to purple I only have to touch to unlock. This is with an Unofficial Third party case installed. While on a Custom ROM with the same setup (minus the animation) it takes a solid 2 seconds. So it depends upon your setup, I guess. Also as someone commented earlier the McLaren animation helps. If you're stock and U rooted there is a guide. Just search around XDA. If you're Rooted, try the aforementioned Animation Mod. Though it will only work on OxygenOS.
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Are u suggesting animation mods help to bring about a faster finger print ??
My take : I don't think so animation has any effect. Theoretically it does not, since animation is only outside the fingerprint area.
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Zorbeyd said:
Which rom do you use? And how did you register your fingers? (Light levels, brightness levels)
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9.0.5 ( not 9.0.15) OOS. Omega kernel.
Brightness level was average I guess. I dont think it matters since the sensor area is by default fully lit in high brightness mode and adjacent area are jet black while registering the finger print.
I tried dark room registering but in my case it didn't add any difference or I felt it was slower for one of my thumb . So I deleted it and re registered in my room with a tube light lit.
Did it two three times until the slower thumb became equal to other thumb.
I guess it was something in my thumb rather than lighting that made it slower.
One idea u can try is,
While registering wipe everytime before u place the finger ... I haven't done that. But dust on screen or print on screen guard is likely to interfer in registering.
And if still slow, no need to worry that others phone are good . Some people have good deep fingerprints.
I've never had an issue with mine. I did the trick (found on xda) to install the McClaren background and it to me appears to be faster than the stock background.
Another thing I've seen is if you wake up your phone and are looking at it, while pressing the fingerprint sensor area, it may appear to stutter when unlocking if you have face detection enabled also. I've tried it several times with a piece of post it note over the camera to verify that to me, appeared to be what was causing it to "stutter". If I am looking at the phone, I don't go near the fingerprint sensor. If I'm not looking at the phone, then the fingerprint sensor works lightning fast.
bladestonez said:
From my experience and experiences I have read the sensor is faster than a traditional rear one. Only issues I ever have is when my fingers are wet or dirty.
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I concur. Sensor seems to work very well and very quickly as long as my thumb is clean and dry. If it isn't...I guess that is what the PIN is for.
No way a UD sensor beats or even comes close to a tradiotnal one for now. Traditional back fingerprint sensor in oppo f5 youth I have tested, in my frnds phone.
It instantaneous.
At first it sucked but improved over time.
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