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Nexus 10 looses battery life when charging

Hey this is a great tablet, but I noticed a bug and was curious if anyone else had this issue? When my screen is on max brightness and charging I noticed the battery will slowly lose charge. This becomes the most obvious if watching netflix or gaming. I hope someone can point me in the right direction of fixing this, unless of course it is a physical limitation of the device.
Edit: I have this problem when charging to a wall outlet, and when connected by usb. I am using the stock samsung charger. I understand the limitations of usb charging through a computer I am more suprised by the AC adapter connected to a home outlet not supplying enough current.
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I have had this problem but only with brightness up and charging via computer.
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Search the web I believe I read that this unfortunately is a problem with the device. Maybe it was attack of the show. I know I heard/read it somewhere.
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The Nexus 10 charges pretty slowly, so if it's using more power than it's getting, it's going to go down (though slower than if you weren't plugged in). Computers generally can't supply that much current, and most USB chargers are 1A. The stock charger is 2A, so use that when possible for faster charging.

rp181 said:
The Nexus 10 charges pretty slowly, so if it's using more power than it's getting, it's going to go down (though slower than if you weren't plugged in). Computers generally can't supply that much current, and most USB chargers are 1A. The stock charger is 2A, so use that when possible for faster charging.
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The thing that you plug into a AC outlet is a power supply not a charger. The charger is in the N10. I've measured it with a current clamp meter and the N10 isn't even asking for half of the 2A that the power supply can deliver.

wptski said:
The thing that you plug into a AC outlet is a power supply not a charger. The charger is in the N10. I've measured it with a current clamp meter and the N10 isn't even asking for half of the 2A that the power supply can deliver.
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Clamp meters generally aren't that accurate for such low amperage (obviously depends on the meter). In any case, the 2A supply can give enough for the battery to charge and for the device to be used concurrently. It may draw an amp just for charging, but that leaves another amp for the device to be used while maintaining peak charging speed.
This is all speculative, as I'm not 100% that the charging and device power usage is parallel.

Here's an easier way to determine N10 charging power that anyone can do. Get a Kill-A-Watt for $18 from Walmart, and plug the AC adapter into that. This doesn't directly tell you how much current the N10 pulls, but does allow you to infer charging current from the wattage pulled from the wall. You can then compare it with iPad 4 charging graph (in wattage) to determine N10 charging power as a percentage of iPad.
Below we see iPad 4 pulling a constant 13.6W for ~4hr before tapering off. iPad 4 uses the new 12W (2.4A) charger w/ Lightning connector. Assuming 80% conversion efficiency, it's about 10W (2A) going to iPad. iPad 4 averages 5-6hr for a full charge.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6472/ipad-4-late-2012-review/7
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iPad 4: Battery size = 42.5Whr, charge current = 2A, charge time = 6hr. N10 has 33.3Whr battery, and also averages 6hr. Assuming similar charging power curve, N10 would need to pull 2A * (33.3/42.5) = ~1.6A to achieve same charging time. So a measurement of less than 1A charging current is likely inaccurate, unless measurement was taken at the (tapered) tail end of the charging process.
Note 1: Per Anandtech, iPad also suffers from net-loss charging under heavy use, so the slow-charging issue stems from USB charging's limitation for high-capacity devices.
Note 2: Charging power may also be limited for thermal reasons. N10 already have a thermal throttling problem as it is, and faster charging would make this worse.

rp181 said:
Clamp meters generally aren't that accurate for such low amperage (obviously depends on the meter). In any case, the 2A supply can give enough for the battery to charge and for the device to be used concurrently. It may draw an amp just for charging, but that leaves another amp for the device to be used while maintaining peak charging speed.
This is all speculative, as I'm not 100% that the charging and device power usage is parallel.
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It's high quality amp meter using its 4000mA range. It's draw less than 1A total, so if the battery is at 80%, it's not charging it as fast as it can. It runs off the battery and the charger replaces the usage. If demand is high, more comes out of the battery than the charger is putting in, not because it can't get it from the PS either.
It could charge twice as fast but the N10's internal charger is slow.

Arg consensus says it's related to an internal charger limitation, no hope of a software fix? Well thanks for the responses.
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Here's an easier way to determine N10 charging power that anyone can do. Get a Kill-A-Watt for $18 from Walmart, and plug the AC adapter into that. This doesn't directly tell you how much current the N10 pulls, but does allow you to infer charging current from the wattage pulled from the wall. You can then compare it with iPad 4 charging graph (in wattage) to determine N10 charging power as a percentage of iPad.
Below we see iPad 4 pulling a constant 13.6W for ~4hr before tapering off. iPad 4 uses the new 12W (2.4A) charger w/ Lightning connector. Assuming 80% conversion efficiency, it's about 10W (2A) going to iPad. iPad 4 averages 5-6hr for a full charge.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6472/ipad-4-late-2012-review/7
iPad 4: Battery size = 42.5Whr, charge current = 2A, charge time = 6hr. N10 has 33.3Whr battery, and also averages 6hr. Assuming similar charging power curve, N10 would need to pull 2A * (33.3/42.5) = ~1.6A to achieve same charging time. So a measurement of less than 1A charging current is likely inaccurate, unless measurement was taken at the (tapered) tail end of the charging process.
Note 1: Per Anandtech, iPad also suffers from net-loss charging under heavy use, so the slow-charging issue stems from USB charging's limitation for high-capacity devices.
Note 2: Charging power may also be limited for thermal reasons. N10 already have a thermal throttling problem as it is, and faster charging would make this worse.
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The AC current drawn by the charger doesn't infer the DC current. I have "AA" charger that charges at 7.5A(not a typo) and it doesn't draw 7.5A AC. I have a car battery charges at 2, 4, 10, 40A and car start at 100A and of course, a normal wall socket is limited to 20A max.
I'll have to check that again at a lower battery level to make it wasn't in the constant voltage part of the charging process.

I measured over 1800mA current draw with the screen on full and 2400mA with full brightness playing asphalt 7
I measured my tablet going from empty to full in 5.5 hours which makes current from the PSU around 1600mA
Looks to be that USB2 can't keep up with the power this tablet can consume when working flat out. Maybe they should have gone with USB3 as that can supply up to 5A

>The AC current drawn by the charger doesn't infer the DC current.
AC current isn't considered; I'm looking only at the wattage and assuming 80% conversion efficiency. We know that USB = 5V, so from there we can infer DC amperage. It doesn't make sense to use a 2+A adapter at less than 50% of its rated output, especially when the charging time is already a long ~6hr. Using iPad as a baseline provides another point of reference, which says that 6hr charging time is probably considered "normal" for this high-capacity category.
>Maybe they should have gone with USB3 as that can supply up to 5A
As said, higher thermal would be a problem for faster charging. The underlying issue is N10's high-res screen, which only the Exy 5 can drive at the time of design, and why the latter was selected (Duarte dude said as much in N10 promo clip). The screen+SoC combo requires more power than can be compensated for, in both its thermal envelope and its charging capacity.
Found the promo clip. Listen at the 9:46 mark, or click on the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66-4uMQqerA&t=586

e.mote said:
>The AC current drawn by the charger doesn't infer the DC current.
AC current isn't considered; I'm looking only at the wattage and assuming 80% conversion efficiency. We know that USB = 5V, so from there we can infer DC amperage. It doesn't make sense to use a 2+A adapter at less than 50% of its rated output, especially when the charging time is already a long ~6hr. Using iPad as a baseline provides another point of reference, which says that 6hr charging time is probably considered "normal" for this high-capacity category.
>Maybe they should have gone with USB3 as that can supply up to 5A
As said, higher thermal would be a problem for faster charging. The underlying issue is N10's high-res screen, which only the Exy 5 can drive at the time of design, and why the latter was selected (Duarte dude said as much in N10 promo clip). The screen+SoC combo requires more power than can be compensated for, in both its thermal envelope and its charging capacity.
Found the promo clip. Listen at the 9:46 mark, or click on the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66-4uMQqerA&t=586
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Watts=volts x current. 2A or 2.1A USB power supplies are a common size. Using a overrated PS isn't uncommon.

skally said:
I measured over 1800mA current draw with the screen on full and 2400mA with full brightness playing asphalt 7
I measured my tablet going from empty to full in 5.5 hours which makes current from the PSU around 1600mA
Looks to be that USB2 can't keep up with the power this tablet can consume when working flat out. Maybe they should have gone with USB3 as that can supply up to 5A
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How did you measuring the current?

I think some of the chargers are defective.
I bought a 3rd party usb power brick and it charges in about 5 hours.
The one that came with it took overnight.

OK what others are saying is that the issue is from the limitations of USB in general unable to exceed 1.8 amps. I guess we have to wait until a decent pogo charger comes out which is rumored to have 2amps. There are 3rd party ones being sold for around 24 bucks on ebay.
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wptski said:
How did you measuring the current?
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I calculated these numbers from usage data.
battery capacity / hours of use
screen on full brightness
9Ah / 5 hours = 1.8A
Playing Asphalt
9Ah / 3h 40 min = 2.4A
These numbers actually close to double with the screen on around 20% brightness
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As said, higher thermal would be a problem for faster charging.
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There are alternatives. Microsoft managed just fine with a 24w Charger. I suspect it runs at 12V 2A, but can't find any specs
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6385/microsoft-surface-review/9
ASUS also do something similar, using 15 Volts to lower the current and reduce energy lost in heat.

skally said:
I calculated these numbers from usage data.
battery capacity / hours of use
screen on full brightness
9Ah / 5 hours = 1.8A
Playing Asphalt
9Ah / 3h 40 min = 2.4A
These numbers actually close to double with the screen on around 20% brightness.
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How can you get 2.4A from a 2.0Ah PS?
I retested making sure my battery was low enough, at 80% with it OFF, I got around 800ma. It isn't my meter but there is one posible flaw in my setup though. I'm using a USB extension cord and it may be causing a voltage drop because of the added lenght and skewing the reading.

The voltage drop should be negligible for a USB cable, and any minor deviations should be corrected via regulator in the Nexus 10.

rp181 said:
The voltage drop should be negligible for a USB cable, and any minor deviations should be corrected via regulator in the Nexus 10.
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Then my max 800ma charging rate is correct and skally's calculations are incorrect??

So the Z3C does charge pretty fast...if you use a different charger

I'm using a Samsung Galaxy Note charger with mine because I ordered from UK and North American sockets are different.
Anyway, the phone charges fast, despite what reviews say, I'm just a bit concerned that it could be affecting my battery's life or something.

how long does it take to charge it? can you take a picture of the charger so we can read the description of the output?

janedoe5000 said:
I'm using a Samsung Galaxy Note charger with mine because I ordered from UK and North American sockets are different.
Anyway, the phone charges fast, despite what reviews say, I'm just a bit concerned that it could be affecting my battery's life or something.
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What's the Ampere output on your Note charger? It should be printed on the side

tonkemaskin said:
What's the Ampere output on your Note charger? It should be printed on the side
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The Galaxy Note 3 charger is 2A. I tried a Nexus 10 fake charger (2A verified, uses 15W from wall socket @2A with the Nexus 10 to provide 5V/2A (10W, not measured)) while Sony original 1.5A charger uses 9.3W to provide 5V/1.5A (7.5W, not measured). Connecting the Nexus 10 charger to the Xperia Z3 compact it uses only 9.4W so it only take 1.5A or less even with an high gauge USB cable.
Therefore I would say that the phone never uses more than 1.5A no matter what's the charger.
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I'm just a bit concerned that it could be affecting my battery's life or something.
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Usually LiPo/Li-ion batteries support 1C charge without problem (as long as the charger slows down at the end). The capacity of the Xperia battery is 2600mAh, therefore 1C would be 2.6A, with a 2.1A or 2A charger you encounter absolutely no risk. Also even using an higher current charger, every phone (with a lithium based battery) integrates a charge regulator which will limit the maximum current according to their specifications. Therefore higher amperage is not a problem as higher voltage would be, it's more the highest current the charger CAN provide, not it actually provides.

It will charge even quicker, as the phone(Z3 and Z3 Compact) is Quick Charge 2.0 certified, you will just need to get a charger that is Quick charge 2.0 certified as well (i.e. Moto Turbo Charger). Feasibly, it could be charged in 45 mintues form 0-100%.
The charger will be my next purchase.

Not sure what's considered fast or slow when it comes to charging, but just using a generic USB charger with wall plug-in adaptor (as I do with all my phones without issue), I'm fully charged after a complete drain in about 2 hours. However, if there is some magical charger that can do this in 45 mins, I would totally invest in that!

boojay said:
Not sure what's considered fast or slow when it comes to charging, but just using a generic USB charger with wall plug-in adaptor (as I do with all my phones without issue), I'm fully charged after a complete drain in about 2 hours. However, if there is some magical charger that can do this in 45 mins, I would totally invest in that!
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http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/20/4...ers-75-percent-faster-charging-snapdragon-800

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http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/20/4...ers-75-percent-faster-charging-snapdragon-800
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Nice. I'm assuming there must be an 801 variant. Let us know how well it works when you do get one. For now I don't mind the slower charge since I leave my phone plugged in overnight, but I can forsee occasions where I would need a speedier solution.

You could use any tablet usb charger, they charge faster

Is magnet port charging faster that mini usb charging?

unk3 said:
Is magnet port charging faster that mini usb charging?
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I get about 900-1100 mAh with my magnetic charger. It takes about 2.5 hours to charge my device.

So youre saying that the Magnet Charger is significantly (33%) slower than the Micro Usb? Lame...

Yup. it's more of a convenience factor. I dislike opening the side panels and I usually just charge overnight w/ the dock (which also charges at the same rate).

zoome9 said:
I get about 900-1100 mAh with my magnetic charger. It takes about 2.5 hours to charge my device.
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Seems to be a standard charging time

difto said:
Seems to be a standard charging time
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I thought unk3 was maybe referencing a quick charger? The only thing aside from the quick charge that charged faster, was Samsung's. I think my old S5 was getting 1800mAh.

zoome9 said:
I thought unk3 was maybe referencing a quick charger? The only thing aside from the quick charge that charged faster, was Samsung's. I think my old S5 was getting 1800mAh.
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I think he was referencing 900-1100mAh vs. 1500mAh of the stock charger. So to correct it there is absolutely no difference from a technical point of view between USB or magnetic port, there are not more less losses assuming the quality of the cable is the same, it is just a different plug. The magnet only holds the plug, the connection is wired and not inductive therefore efficiency is.the same.

there can be a difference, because magnetic port does not have the 2 additional pins that phones like to use to identify the maximum current they can draw from the charger, so...

yozas said:
there can be a difference, because magnetic port does not have the 2 additional pins that phones like to use to identify the maximum current they can draw from the charger, so...
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This is Apple BS to explain the incompatibility of their iPhone with most chargers on the market at the time. The phone does not need to identify the charger max amperage at all,the charger is simply a 5V DC power supply with a defined max amperage like a wall outlet provides 110V or 220V AC at max 10/16/20/32A. The charging circuit of the phone does all the job: transform 5V to 4.2V and then regulates the amperage going to the battery at constant voltage. There is a difference with a wall outlet though, if the rating is lower than what the phone requests then the charge will simply be longer and the charger will not burn (at least if it is lawful).

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This is Apple BS to explain the incompatibility of their iPhone with most chargers on the market at the time.
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Apple has their own strategy with chargers, it is a mix of marketing and truth, however this case is really not marketing, it's just how it works.
The phone does not need to identify the charger max amperage at all
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It definitely does need to, that is, if you want your phone to draw more than 500mA. USB standard does not allow a device to draw more than 500mA from the port, and all phones conform to that. That's why it charges slowly if you plug your mobile phone into a computers USB port, the internal charger circuitry inside the phone limits the maximum current "ceiling" that it will try to draw to mere 500mA.
the charger is simply a 5V DC power supply with a defined max amperage like a wall outlet provides 110V or 220V AC at max 10/16/20/32A.
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You are correct on the defined max amperage part. Every DC power supply has it's maximum current limit, just like ordinary computer USB port (which can supply max 500mA, if you step higher than that, the current overload protection in the computer shuts the port down (and windows will give you an error about a power surge on USB port X). That's precisely why a phone must identify if the power supply that it is connected to can give higher than 500mA current, as to not overload it.
The charging circuit of the phone does all the job: transform 5V to 4.2V and then regulates the amperage going to the battery at constant voltage.
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Correct
There is a difference with a wall outlet though, if the rating is lower than what the phone requests then the charge will simply be longer and the charger will not burn (at least if it is lawful).
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Yeah, many cheap ones will overheat (shorten the lifespan of electrolytic capacitors, etc) and even burn. And even some that are not cheap will burn. Others will be periodically shutting down by internal thermal protection, then turning on again after it cools down, this is not good either.
If you use a magnetic charger then the phone loses the ability to identify if it's connected to a computers USB port, or a charger that can supply more than 500mA. And in this case it will stay on the safe side and will not try to draw more than 500mA (charge slower) from the port.
As for the identification, you can check that pins 2 and 3 are shorted in the charger's USB port, that is how the phone "knows" that it is connected to a charger with high current ability. You can get some spare USB cable and make an experiment, cut the wires that go from pins 2 and 3, and you will see that the phone will limit the current to 500mA.

yozas said:
Apple has their own strategy with chargers, it is a mix of marketing and truth, however this case is really not marketing, it's just how it works.
It definitely does need to, that is, if you want your phone to draw more than 500mA. USB standard does not allow a device to draw more than 500mA from the port, and all phones conform to that. That's why it charges slowly if you plug your mobile phone into a computers USB port, the internal charger circuitry inside the phone limits the maximum current "ceiling" that it will try to draw to mere 500mA.
You are correct on the defined max amperage part. Every DC power supply has it's maximum current limit, just like ordinary computer USB port (which can supply max 500mA, if you step higher than that, the current overload protection in the computer shuts the port down (and windows will give you an error about a power surge on USB port X). That's precisely why a phone must identify if the power supply that it is connected to can give higher than 500mA current, as to not overload it.
Correct
Yeah, many cheap ones will overheat (shorten the lifespan of electrolytic capacitors, etc) and even burn. And even some that are not cheap will burn. Others will be periodically shutting down by internal thermal protection, then turning on again after it cools down, this is not good either.
If you use a magnetic charger then the phone loses the ability to identify if it's connected to a computers USB port, or a charger that can supply more than 500mA. And in this case it will stay on the safe side and will not try to draw more than 500mA (charge slower) from the port.
As for the identification, you can check that pins 2 and 3 are shorted in the charger's USB port, that is how the phone "knows" that it is connected to a charger with high current ability. You can get some spare USB cable and make an experiment, cut the wires that go from pins 2 and 3, and you will see that the phone will limit the current to 500mA.
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Experiment done: I beg to differ, the phone draws 1.5A from the magnetic port, see attached picture (it is the current drawn from a 2S battery at 7.62V so roughly 1.5A at 5V. Also this circuit can provide 2A at 5V which means that the phone never draws more than 1.5A no matter what the charger is.
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The fact that data lines only indicates it is a charger and not a computer, data lines at not shorted but connected to a certain resistance function of the amperage of the charger if they follow the apple scheme.

Quick Charger 2.0 not working on Z2

Hi guys,
I have an D6543 (Brazilian Model), there is no difference between D6503.
I checked the Qualcomm website a lot of times, and Z2 is in compatibility list: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/devices/all?feature=Quick Charge 2.0
So, I purchase the Tenergy Quick Charger 2.0 at Amazon, and for my surprise, it's not working at all. Only normal charging.
I tested at 1%, and in 30 minutes only 11% was charged, VERY, VERY slow.
The light indication at charger is saying that is on normal charging.
I'm really frustrated.

Fastcharging is disabled on xperias for safety
Charging should be between 1-5 hours even without fastcharge

My z2 only take around 2 hours to fully charge from 1%. Just using the stock plug charger.
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yuskhayru said:
My z2 only take around 2 hours to fully charge from 1%. Just using the stock plug charger.
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I dont think fastcharge is at all posible with the Z2
It charges at 1500mAh using the factory provided charger and trying to go beyond that isnt safe at all.

Envious_Data said:
I dont think fastcharge is at all posible with the Z2
It charges at 1500mAh using the factory provided charger and trying to go beyond that isnt safe at all.
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i dont know about it, but ive charged my z2 several times from 1% to 100% only take 2 hours - 2 hours and 30 minute. And yes, i've heard people charged thier z2 atleast 4hours to completly fully charged from 1%. My phone is still standard, under warranty(havent mod anything yet and still unrooted).

Envious_Data said:
I dont think fastcharge is at all posible with the Z2
It charges at 1500mAh using the factory provided charger and trying to go beyond that isnt safe at all.
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I don't know why. Z2 has the Snapdragon 801, which is compatible with Quick Charger 2.0, as Z1 was compatible with QC 1.0.
LG G3 also has the 801, but LG does not enable the QC, that's why it is not at Qualcomm's website. It's weird, because Z2 was recently added to the list, and the main product page says it's compatible.
In the end, I just lost money because their poor support and information.

yuskhayru said:
i dont know about it, but ive charged my z2 several times from 1% to 100% only take 2 hours - 2 hours and 30 minute. And yes, i've heard people charged thier z2 atleast 4hours to completly fully charged from 1%. My phone is still standard, under warranty(havent mod anything yet and still unrooted).
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As said its pointless trying to increase the charging rate
I learned when pushing it past 1500mAh it starts to damage the device usb port and
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victormartins said:
I don't know why. Z2 has the Snapdragon 801, which is compatible with Quick Charger 2.0, as Z1 was compatible with QC 1.0.
LG G3 also has the 801, but LG does not enable the QC, that's why it is not at Qualcomm's website. It's weird, because Z2 was recently added to the list, and the main product page says it's compatible.
In the end, I just lost money because their poor support and information.
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Not exactly poor support, if its safe to use and certified safe to use sony would have put it in the features list on their website but it wasnt there when i bought the phone nor when i last checked.
As said check my reply
The device charges at as fast as it safely can with the factory provided charger

I'm using envi rom.
I have a normal 2,2A usb charger.
When I use the usb port to charge i have really slow (6h from 0 to full charge) to reasonable charge time (3h from 0 to 100) depending on the used cable.
But when I use the magnetic aftermarket cable than I get insane charge time, only the last 10% from 90 to 100 is not fast but it certainly uses 2A as it is from 0 to 90% in about 90 minutes.
The phone gets slightly warm but far from the temperature it gets with intensive usage and the magnetic connection gets warm too, but nothing alarming imo.
The full metal and glass design makes heat diffuse very fast.

That sucks I'm coming from a one plus one and the charger was very fast.

Envious_Data said:
Not exactly poor support, if its safe to use and certified safe to use sony would have put it in the features list on their website but it wasnt there when i bought the phone nor when i last checked.
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Qualcomm states it does!
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/smartphones/sony-xperia-z2

I'm using some chineese quick charger 2.1A and it charges 27% in 38min.
Sent from Xperia Z2

Xperia Z2 and Z3 supports Quick Charge 2.0.
You need charger which supports Quick Charge 2.0, though.
http://weekly.ascii.jp/elem/000/000/223/223383/
This site is in Japanese, but it says you'll get 13W when you charge with charger which supports Quick Charge 2.0 and with normal charger you'll get 10W.
Normal charging is already fast enough, so you won't notice big difference.

AndroPlus said:
http://weekly.ascii.jp/elem/000/000/223/223383/
This site is in Japanese, but it says you'll get 13W when you charge with charger which supports Quick Charge 2.0 and with normal charger you'll get 10W.
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Either they know nothing about electronics or they cannot calculate ^^
1. it should show 9W..... 1.8A x 5V so their meassurement device is not exact (hell, these Wallplug meassurement things are made for 220V ! so you measure 0.045A you can't expect them to be realistic, they're for up to 2000W not so low values.)
2. 9V x 1.8A = 16.2W but this is wrong again as the Quick CHarge 2.0 speccs are up to 4.5A for 9V
So if it really is charching with 9V it only uses 1.44A
Oh... and btw the Stock Sony Wall charger EP880 only has 5V 1.5A
Let's hope some people who know what they're doing are gonna test the Z2 or other phones with Quick Charge 2.0
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I'm using some chineese quick charger 2.1A and it charges 27% in 38min.
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Doesn't seem like it's working ^^ if you compair to stock charger.
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As said its pointless trying to increase the charging rate
I learned when pushing it past 1500mAh it starts to damage the device usb port and
battery
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I'm unsure about the battery but this is why QC 2.0 utilizes a higher charge voltage. Also why in computers, all high current devices now run on the 12v rail instead of 3.3v or 5v, because high amperage at low voltage would damage cables and connectors. If we had expensive graphics cards pulling 400w at 3.3v there would be a huge problem with heat and necessary wire size. There is more resistance in metals with high current / low voltage vs. high voltage / low current and this is what can damage the USB port.
This is also why at 120v AC we have issues running high current draw appliances vs 220-240v circuits.
Also why high voltage is more fatal, because it travels more easily through our skin, and etc.

I contacted Qualcomm by email, and they replied to me after a few days.
Xperia Z2 officialy does not support Quick Charger 2.0, only in JAPANESE models.
They updated their website, and removed the information, that's sad.
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/smartphones/sony-xperia-z2
FYI guys, Sony Brazil sells Z2 and Z3 with Smartband, so, our OEM charger has only 0.8A :crying::crying::crying:

Just purchase some charger with 5V 2A output and you will be fine..
I have tried using the standard charger 5V 1.5A if i am correct and it took around 3 hours..
And i tried using OnePlus charger 5V 2A and it is noticeably faster

Haldi4803 said:
Either they know nothing about electronics or they cannot calculate ^^
1. it should show 9W..... 1.8A x 5V so their meassurement device is not exact (hell, these Wallplug meassurement things are made for 220V ! so you measure 0.045A you can't expect them to be realistic, they're for up to 2000W not so low values.)
2. 9V x 1.8A = 16.2W but this is wrong again as the Quick CHarge 2.0 speccs are up to 4.5A for 9V
So if it really is charching with 9V it only uses 1.44A
Oh... and btw the Stock Sony Wall charger EP880 only has 5V 1.5A
Let's hope some people who know what they're doing are gonna test the Z2 or other phones with Quick Charge 2.0
Doesn't seem like it's working ^^ if you compair to stock charger.
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I've already compared it with a normal 1.5A and it;s charging faster and the device also gets warmer.
I have a lot of apps running in the background, so my results may be other than yours.

Hello,
quick question: is it safe to charge our Z2's by S5 charger - 5,3V and 2,1A?

i dont get this. If the stock charger is 1500mA and the batery is 3200mA it should take only 2h10 to fully charge(more or less). But mine takes like 3h (brand new phone, charger and cable, all stock)

cedropol said:
Hello,
quick question: is it safe to charge our Z2's by S5 charger - 5,3V and 2,1A?
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quickcharging is disabled by sony for safety reasons.
migueldbr said:
i dont get this. If the stock charger is 1500mA and the batery is 3200mA it should take only 2h10 to fully charge(more or less). But mine takes like 3h (brand new phone, charger and cable, all stock)
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yes its 1500ma with a 3200ma battery but concider the cpu. your phone is awake for 25% of the screen being off so it should take a over 2hrs10m to charge unless you have xposed amplify installed.

Nexus 6P Not charging rapidly

Is anyone else not seeing charging rapidly with their stock charger?

No, I saw rates of 1500ma with a 2.4 amp car charger, usb a to c cable (screen showed rapidly charging). I also saw rates of 2400ma with the stock charger usb c to c cable (screen showed rapidly charging). I am guessing my battery was not drained enough to see higher charge rates.

I think your phone needs to be like 50% charge or less to really see the benefits of quick charge.

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I think your phone needs to be like 50% charge or less to really see the benefits of quick charge.
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It was at 15% when I tried it. I have the stock charger and the Google 2 port 22.5w charger. I was plugged into the 2 port charger, but tried the stock charger for a minute. I may have had to leave it on the stock charger longer. Otherwise non "rapid" charging still took less than 2 hours from 15% to 100%.

donatom3 said:
Is anyone else not seeing charging rapidly with their stock charger?
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No quick charge on the 6p.

luciferiusXI said:
No quick charge on the 6p.
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I tried to edit my title I know it's not quick charge, but you can see youtube reviews where their phone shows "Charing Rapidly" on the lock screen and not just "charging". The phone can take up to 15W from the Type C port.

I tried the stock charger when the phone was at 60% and it varied between 1 and 2 amps. I'm going to run another test when the battery is lower. Sucks though because I typically try not to drain it that much.

Ok, I started charging with the stock 6p charger at 26%. I'm now at 74%. This charger does not ramp up in a linear fashion like other lithium-ion chargers that I'm familiar with. It's constantly ramping up and down over and over. The highest it's achieved was 2.8 amps for a few seconds and I would guess it may be averaging maybe 1 to 1.5 amps.
I'm wondering if it's even working to spec. Seems to me it ought to slowly ramp up to 3 amps, hold it, and then slowly ramp down at about 90%.
Anyone else monitored their charge rate?
Update: It took about 90 mins to go from 26% to 93%.

That sounds faulty. I can do that with a A->C setup in an hour. The google charger should be somewhat faster (40 minutes? Based on 2A vs 3A).

TonyHoyle said:
That sounds faulty. I can do that with a A->C setup in an hour. The google charger should be somewhat faster (40 minutes? Based on 2A vs 3A).
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Have you tried the stock charger yet?

Not yet.. the battery on this thing is too darned good.. I'll try to remember tonight if it's low enough.

TonyHoyle said:
Not yet.. the battery on this thing is too darned good.. I'll try to remember tonight if it's low enough.
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Load ampere from the play store and watch the charge rate. I wonder if it's just mine that has this very strange charge curve.

Glad I'm not going crazy. Coming from a Galaxy S6, I wasn't expecting the fast charge on this to be that slow.
From 46% to full on the stock fast charger supplied with the phone, it took an 1 hour 3 mins.
From 46% to full on my Anker IQ 71AN7105 which is supposed to output at 5V, 2.3 Amps, it took 1 hour 20 mins.
Both said the phone was "charging rapidly" when I plugged it in.
Just measured on the Anker, and it's showing charging rate at 640-790ma. So you're doing a lot better than I am! No wonder it's taking an age to charge!!!!
That's like normal non-fast charge surely.

I don't trust ampere to be honest.. charging current is supposed to vary but not the amount it's showing. I wonder if it's showing charging minus load, so having the screen on will make it give incorrect results, as will the various CPU sleep states, wifi, 3G, etc.
The real world test of time from x% to 100% or how many % in 30 minutes is somewhat better in that it's measuring the end result. I'll try to do that. (/me switches rob ross on twitch to drain some battery).

prophet42 said:
Glad I'm not going crazy. Coming from a Galaxy S6, I wasn't expecting the fast charge on this to be that slow.
From 46% to full on the stock fast charger supplied with the phone, it took an 1 hour 3 mins.
From 46% to full on my Anker IQ 71AN7105 which is supposed to output at 5V, 2.3 Amps, it took 1 hour 20 mins.
Both said the phone was "charging rapidly" when I plugged it in.
Just measured on the Anker, and it's showing charging rate at 640-790ma. So you're doing a lot better than I am! No wonder it's taking an age to charge!!!!
That's like normal non-fast charge surely.
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A typical charging curve is shown below. The shapes of the curves might vary some by battery and circuit, but in general a battery will draw full current (up to some limit) for a period of time and then the current draw will steadily decline. This is normal. A battery will charge from 0%-30% much faster than from 70%-100%. Beyond allowing 3A to the battery, there appears to be no "fast charging" technique employed by the 6P.
The real key is what is the charger actually outputting? This should be tested by an instrument, not the phone. If, for example, the charger is outputting 2.9A and the phone is 10% charged and only drawing your 700mA there is probably an issue OR the power control is limiting current for some valid reason. Maybe the battery temperature.
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dwswager said:
A typical charging curve is shown below. The shapes of the curves might vary some by battery and circuit, but in general a battery will draw full current (up to some limit) for a period of time and then the current draw will steadily decline. This is normal. A battery will charge from 0%-30% much faster than from 70%-100%. Beyond allowing 3A to the battery, there appears to be no "fast charging" technique employed by the 6P.
The real key is what is the charger actually outputting? This should be tested by an instrument, not the phone. If, for example, the charger is outputting 2.9A and the phone is 10% charged and only drawing your 700mA there is probably an issue OR the power control is limiting current for some valid reason. Maybe the battery temperature.
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I was expecting a curve like this but it was a roller coaster starting at 26%. I expect the charger is putting out because I measured a momentary blip of 2.8 amps.
As was mentioned, Ampere may be part of the problem but I don't have other tools other than a simple time to full calculation. Do we even have specs as to what's that supposed to be?

OK here are the results I got:
Both started at 10%, with identical settings (although on different days, can't help that). Normal working settings.. I avoided having the display on except for checks and it was sat still so allowed to doze.
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30 Mins 60 Mins 75 Mins Total Time
USB A 47% 81% 92% 93 mins
USB C 50% 85% 95% 82 mins
And expressed as % per minute
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30 Mins 60 Mins 75 Mins To full
USB A 1.23 1.13 0.73 0.40
USB C 1.35 1.16 0.66 0.71
So, C (well, google's charger and cable) is around 15% faster for me* than A.
Around 90% charging visibly slows to a crawl on both methods. The first 80% or so are fast, but interestingly C gains most at the end as it doesn't slow down as much.
Edit: If you ignore the timings at the bottom, it looks very similar to the example graph posted. Which is expected I guess.
* YMMV, standard disclaimers, etc.

one thing to note is that the phone will also charge slower if your screen is on and generating additional heat. The phone will throttle the charging rate based on the temperature of the battery.

So while it's 15% faster, the battery capacity is more than 25% larger. So how is the real gain achieved?

I'm thinking that the google charger isn't sending 3A anyway.. You'd expect more difference even if my normal charger is going as high as 2.4A (and I'm not sure it goes that high without QC). USB C might be capable of it but this phone/charger combination isn't.

Dash Charging all the time?

Hello, guys, I need your help because I believe in the community of our forum.
I am wondering about the Dash charging.
1) Is it bad if I use the Dash all the time (every day)?
2) If I use a third party charger, in my case Anker charger (no quick charge), will this affect the system or the internals somehow?
A friend of mine is using 1+3T and he does not like to change his device often but per two years once. And that's why he is using a regular charger without any fast-charging capabilities for a mainly charging solutions. And he uses the Dash Charger really rarely (like once a week), only when he is short on time and needs battery.
I, personally, think that there is good logic in his method of charging his device, but this is only my opinion, I am not acknowledged and that's why I want your help.
What do you think about question 1) and 2) and also about my friend's method of charging.
If I think of another question I will post it later as a comment. Waiting on your replies, mates.

1. It is not. Dash charging keeps all the heat on the brick of the adapter. Your phone is safe.
2. No, it won't affect internals.

OnePlus has put the charging control electronics into the charger, keeping a lot of the heat away from the phone. But as far as my limited understanding of battery chemistry goes, it's not just the heat that ages battery cells, but the higher voltage used to charge them.
While it is impressive to see the phone charging with the Dash charger, it certainly won't help extend the life of the battery. Dash charge can push the limits of charging speed by moving heat away from the battery, preventing the phone from outright overheating, but the battery's chemistry is still put under greater strain from the higher charging current.
Even if it's only the heat that ages a battery, and the charging speed itself makes no difference at all - does the phone actually stay cooler when using Dash charge than when using a regular 5V charger?
Unfortunately OnePlus' marketing materials suggest that you should only charge your OnePlus 5 with the Dash charger, but they're just that - marketing materials. What would you have them say? "Don't use Dash charge too often since it's actually really bad for your battery" isn't exactly confidence inspiring.
The electronics for charging via regular USB, or via USB-C Power Delivery, are all there. Compared to always pushing the battery as close to its limits as possible, I cannot see the slower charging modes being worse for your battery life.
I use the Dash charger only when I have very limited time to charge my phone. When I regularly charge my phone over night, I do that as slowly as possible using a regular 5V charger. I wouldn't mind the phone taking six hours to charge overnight.

Speaking of charging, can we use quick chargers 2.0 with this phone? Does it charges quicker?
I have an Aukey quick charge 2.0.

NetSoerfer said:
I use the Dash charger only when I have very limited time to charge my phone. When I regularly charge my phone over night, I do that as slowly as possible using a regular 5V charger. I wouldn't mind the phone taking six hours to charge overnight.
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I follow the same approach. I charge my OnePlus 5 every night with the charger of my "old" OnePlus X.
A couple of weeks ago I charged it every second or third day, and waited always till the battery is almost empty.
After I read the information provided by this XDA thread and the additional information in this article. I decided to limit the capacity and charge it every day.
So my battery is swinging about between 30% and 80%.
When on travel or time is limited I use dash charge.

dima-82 said:
After I read the information provided by this XDA thread and the additional information in this article. I decided to limit the capacity and charge it every day.
So my battery is swinging about between 30% and 80%.
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This is actually awesome, being able to limit charging to an arbitrary percentage. I don't have root yet, but this one is definitely bookmarked.

NetSoerfer said:
This is actually awesome, being able to limit charging to an arbitrary percentage. I don't have root yet, but this one is definitely bookmarked.
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As soon as the battery reaches 80% the BatteryChargeLimit Service stops charging and starts it again if the battery falls beyond 77% (The values are adjustable).
While charging (connected to charger) and waiting (connected / disconnected) till the lower threshold is reached a notification with the current voltage and battery temperature is shown.
We can cheat the electronic and move the charging logic to the charger, but we still have the physical and chemical constraints of batteries. So I thing this is a acceptable way to keep the battery as long as possible in a good condition.

NetSoerfer said:
OnePlus has put the charging control electronics into the charger, keeping a lot of the heat away from the phone. But as far as my limited understanding of battery chemistry goes, it's not just the heat that ages battery cells, but the higher voltage used to charge them.
While it is impressive to see the phone charging with the Dash charger, it certainly won't help extend the life of the battery. Dash charge can push the limits of charging speed by moving heat away from the battery, preventing the phone from outright overheating, but the battery's chemistry is still put under greater strain from the higher charging current.
Even if it's only the heat that ages a battery, and the charging speed itself makes no difference at all - does the phone actually stay cooler when using Dash charge than when using a regular 5V charger?
Unfortunately OnePlus' marketing materials suggest that you should only charge your OnePlus 5 with the Dash charger, but they're just that - marketing materials. What would you have them say? "Don't use Dash charge too often since it's actually really bad for your battery" isn't exactly confidence inspiring.
The electronics for charging via regular USB, or via USB-C Power Delivery, are all there. Compared to always pushing the battery as close to its limits as possible, I cannot see the slower charging modes being worse for your battery life.
I use the Dash charger only when I have very limited time to charge my phone. When I regularly charge my phone over night, I do that as slowly as possible using a regular 5V charger. I wouldn't mind the phone taking six hours to charge overnight.
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That is why dash charging only matters from zero to 60%. After 60% it reduces the speed of the charge at 75% then again then again at 85% and again at 95%. It's not all about the heat but one the battery is at a certain level, you can't charge at the high speeds as that causes instability in the chemical reaction. Even QC quick charge slows down as well.

gonsa said:
Speaking of charging, can we use quick chargers 2.0 with this phone? Does it charges quicker?
I have an Aukey quick charge 2.0.
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You can use any charger that supports 5v output. a qc 2.0 or 3.0 charger in this case acts like a regular charger.
the difference between quickcharge and dashcharge is that a qc increases the power through a higher voltage with lower current whereas a dc uses lower voltage with higher current.

1) Using the dash charger every time will not harm the battery or reduce its lifespan in a notable way. First of all, you only get dash charging speeds until the battery reaches 60% once there the charger reduces the output and yet again at 75% and 85% of battery capacity. This is to prevent over voltage of the battery cells which is one of the two main factors in reducing battery capacity and lifespan. The other factor that hinders battery capacity and lifespan is temperature, however, dash chargers use a nifty trick to reduce battery temperature when charging, the adapter converts the power to the battery's voltage instead of leaving the power conversion to the phone itself, this helps the phone stay cooler when charging which helps with the battery lifespan.
The one thing that you shouldn't do is keep the phone plugged in after fully charging the phone or leaving the phone charging overnight. Having the battery at 100% capacity for too long will keep it at a very high charge voltage which will reduce the amount of charge cycles of the battery. The best range to keep a Li-ion battery for a long lifespan is between 60% and 95% capacity.
2) You can use any type of charger on the 1+5 as long as it's a 5V charger. However, you won't get the charging speeds dash charger offers and since those chargers don't handle the power conversion, your phone will have to which means it might heat up a little bit more than with the dash charger.

1) ofc not.
2) no.
Will i believe the sweetest thing in this phone is about the fast charging time (Dash)
like i have my OP3 for a year now and i only use the Dash charger with it
even tho the battery still good for me

Cmon !, YES it will.
This is not a magic box people, Lithium Polymer batteries will react just like other lithium based batteries : in fonction of temperature, number of time of polarity change, load usage, and time.
This is a chemical reaction, you'll have oxydation: speed and quty in fct of previous factors. you can find a ton of info about this online, or in school.
So far a good battery that can take huge charges are Li-Fe, but the capacity is lower.
Those mobile phones batteries are good, but you will decrease their life under 20 W (5v @4A) load charge for sure !
This as been said, I know that op5 will regulate, but at the highest power that the battery can take, wich is always too high to make your phone last long with the maximum capacity you can get with a good maintenance.
I'll recommend more like 2.1, or personnaly, 1.2 A charger. Do not go lower, you'll have other issue, like crystallization.
I can explan in more scientific method, since I worked on electric race cars, but this site will explain the essentials.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Is this a big noticable difference in your everyday usage ?? No, I don't think so. You'll see the difference in 5-6 years, when the phone will be slow and the cpu will max out, and you'll do 6 hours on a 1200 mAh battery capacity since the maintenance was bad.

A couple of days ago I installed Charge Monitor (thx @waterdaan) and monitored the charging curve with different chargers on my OnePlus 5.
Here the results:
OnePlus Dash Charger, 36% - 97% in 56 minutes:
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Charger from OnePlus X (standard 5V/2A USB charger), 33% - 93% in 79 minutes:
This confirms, what in this thread was already mentioned by some users. Dash Charger reduces the current at certain capacity levels.
So I think we are good to go with the dash charger and shouldn't worry that it harms our batteries.
Additionally I checked other battery apps and found Battery Warner by @P1xelfehler which can also be found on the PlayStore. This app tries to combine the capabilities of Charge Monitor and Battery Charge Limit but is less powerful as the other two.
My conclusion is: I will use the Dash Charger and Battery Charge Limit to keep the capacity between 30% and 80% for the normal daily use.
To monitor the charging process one of the above mentioned apps above is a must have. Almost all apps on the market, which promise you to extend battery life (Battery Doctors, Battery Savers, Battery Boosters, you name it...) have no effect at all and may even damage your battery.
If my assumptions are wrong, please correct me

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If my assumptions are wrong, please correct me
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I use the dash charger cause as for me the current looks more stable than while charging with other chargers as shown in your example.
Btw I'm using Charge monitor as well, very good app

oVeRdOsE. said:
I'll recommend more like 2.1, or personnaly, 1.2 A charger. Do not go lower, you'll have other issue, like crystallization.
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Then, do you recommend to use a 1.2A charger through the night?