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Scrolling stutter / jitter /lag?

I saw a review on YouTube in which the reviewer mentions that OP5 has some kind of jitter when scrolling compared to the other Snapdragon 835 powered phone, in this case, the HTC U11. I searched the OP3/3T forums and saw that it is an old problem.
Do you happen to notice something familiar on your OP5 when scrolling thru different apps?
https://youtu.be/rCgzHvui4K8
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Yes it does and to be honest it's annoying, sometimes it's like a shaking jello effect when scrolling and sometimes there's awful jerkiness and stuttering when scrolling through certain web pages in chrome, have to say this should not happen out the box, i hope the scrolling issue gets resolved or I'm sending mine back.

Got the same, sadly. Hope something can be done about it. The hardware is awesome, but the stuttering is very annoying. I'd expect the experience to be smoother... :-\
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Try to go to developer options and enable force GPU rendering... Seems it helped a bit...

In wich part you have these stutters ...?
I have an OP3T and I don't face any kind of lags.....
Very strange ....OP5 with SD 835 should flying....

caki25 said:
Got the same, sadly. Hope something can be done about it. The hardware is awesome, but the stuttering is very annoying. I'd expect the experience to be smoother... :-\
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Try to go to developer options and enable force GPU rendering... Seems it helped a bit...
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I'll try that thanks.
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caki25 said:
Got the same, sadly. Hope something can be done about it. The hardware is awesome, but the stuttering is very annoying. I'd expect the experience to be smoother... :-\
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cultofluna said:
In wich part you have these stutters ...?
I have an OP3T and I don't face any kind of lags.....
Very strange ....OP5 with SD 835 should flying....
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It's like the refresh rate is set at 45fps for eg instead of 60fps like a flagship should be, there's a jelly shaking effect everywhere you scroll but some apps chrome for eg sometimes hitches and stutters, not acceptable for this kind of hardware tbh.

I've not had an android phone that hasn't stuttered to some extent in Chrome.
I can say though that mine has improved over the day or so since I've had the phone and currently is very smooth.
Does anyone have an example of a website that is more prone to lag? I'll try it out.

stebsgb1 said:
I've not had an android phone that hasn't stuttered to some extent in Chrome.
I can say though that mine has improved over the day or so since I've had the phone and currently is very smooth.
Does anyone have an example of a website that is more prone to lag? I'll try it out.
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Forcing gpu rendering didn't work for me still the same, open the app drawer and scroll up and down fairly fast you'll see a shimmering effect, also even scrolling up and down in these forums sometimes when the square adverts pop it's stutters like ****, it reminds me of having vsync disabled on my pc that kind off effect, it's like OP have disabled vsync because with it enabled it stuttering even worse like it can't keep up to 60fps, which i find really strange with this kind of hardware, it needs to get sorted fairly quickly, it doesn't do this on my huawei mate 9 or my Nexus 6p, also there's touch latency issues, remember hearing carl pei going on about it in the launch on tuesday, saying they've improved latency when in fact they haven't, if you scroll up and down fast sometimes it's not picking up your touches and skips and just scrolls the last way it detected, I'm very suspicious they new about this problem when they were on about touch latency in the launch.

Ady1976 said:
Forcing gpu rendering didn't work for me still the same, open the app drawer and scroll up and down fairly fast you'll see a shimmering effect, also even scrolling up and down in these forums sometimes when the square adverts pop it's stutters like ****, it reminds me of having vsync disabled on my pc that kind off effect, it's like OP have disabled vsync because with it enabled it stuttering even worse like it can't keep up to 60fps, which i find really strange with this kind of hardware, it needs to get sorted fairly quickly, it doesn't do this on my huawei mate 9 or my Nexus 6p, also there's touch latency issues, remember hearing carl pei going on about it in the launch on tuesday, saying they've improved latency when in fact they haven't, if you scroll up and down fast sometimes it's not picking up your touches and skips and just scrolls the last way it detected, I'm very suspicious they new about this problem when they were on about touch latency in the launch.
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I have no scroll latency or lag on my phone. Everything is buttery smooth. I didn't change any settings.

I used the oneplus 3t for a while and initially I thought the phone was fast and lag free. However I always used to have a strange feeling that all wasn't as great as it seemed. I use talon for twitter a lot and with the oneplus 3t it was hit and miss at times it would be smooth when scrawling and other times it would lag and stutter. I kinda blamed the app and even sent a few messages to the developer of the app (he never replied lol). I decided to move back to my note 7 (yes it's a fire hog but I love it lol),and well well it was way smother and lag free than the 3t. Am sure you can eventually tweak the oneplus do to what you want and improve lags etc but I just never had the time. Saying that I will keep an eye on this thread as I intend to buy it.

Cant say much about the lag since I havent got my phone yet, but could somebody give an idea of me a try? If I remember correctly, there used to be some accessability settings in Android, some installed Apps where enabled there by default and caused jitter/lag for me, back on my Nexus 5. Can someone test if this could be the cause? (if this setting still exists, no Idea on what Android version this happened to me) - Either way, im scared now that I wont be to happy with the device, lets hope there will be a fix soon.

Ady1976 said:
Yes it does and to be honest it's annoying, sometimes it's like a shaking jello effect when scrolling and sometimes there's awful jerkiness and stuttering when scrolling through certain web pages in chrome, have to say this should not happen out the box, i hope the scrolling issue gets resolved or I'm sending mine back.
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Yes!!! You see it to. I posted this on Reddit. Everyone check this bull**** out:
Noticed this as soon as I setup the phone. I don't think I've ever seen an AMOLED panel do this. It's almost like it's refreshing each line of pixels too slowly/unevenly during a single frame?
Here's an album of images and video captured from 240 FPS video. View them one after another. The screen refreshes by starting in the bottom left corner and finishes the frame in the top right corner... the icons and text on each line of apps goes out of alignment as I scroll.
Text and elements on the screen stretches out when scrolling down, and smushes together when scrolling up. Straight lines look wavy when scrolling left or right as well!
https://goo.gl/photos/Rx8nZCnzj8jSWXGJ7
https://goo.gl/photos/iwi5JdruMAveRkFN8
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157682480018604

Chrizzter said:
Cant say much about the lag since I havent got my phone yet, but could somebody give an idea of me a try? If I remember correctly, there used to be some accessability settings in Android, some installed Apps where enabled there by default and caused jitter/lag for me, back on my Nexus 5. Can someone test if this could be the cause? (if this setting still exists, no Idea on what Android version this happened to me) - Either way, im scared now that I wont be to happy with the device, lets hope there will be a fix soon.
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So you won`t be happy with your phone because someone else seems to have a problem with his/hers?

gee2012 said:
So you won`t be happy with your phone because someone else seems to have a problem with his/hers?
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Thats not what I said?
E: Rewritten for more clarity:
I said, that Im scared of (might) not beeing happy with it(, if some kind of annoying lag or stutter appears)

stebsgb1 said:
I've not had an android phone that hasn't stuttered to some extent in Chrome.
I can say though that mine has improved over the day or so since I've had the phone and currently is very smooth.
Does anyone have an example of a website that is more prone to lag? I'll try it out.
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Nitemare3219 said:
Yes!!! You see it to. I posted this on Reddit. Everyone check this bull**** out:
Noticed this as soon as I setup the phone. I don't think I've ever seen an AMOLED panel do this. It's almost like it's refreshing each line of pixels too slowly/unevenly during a single frame?
Here's an album of images and video captured from 240 FPS video. View them one after another. The screen refreshes by starting in the bottom left corner and finishes the frame in the top right corner... the icons and text on each line of apps goes out of alignment as I scroll.
Text and elements on the screen stretches out when scrolling down, and smushes together when scrolling up. Straight lines look wavy when scrolling left or right as well!
https://goo.gl/photos/Rx8nZCnzj8jSWXGJ7
https://goo.gl/photos/iwi5JdruMAveRkFN8
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157682480018604
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Yes i see it, it's not just me, it's like a it's scrolling under water! The people that can't see it are stubborn to it or don't have the eyesight, it's awful, never seen this problem on any screen in the last 4 years or so, as much as i love the phone i can't put up with one of the main features which you need to navigate your phone, it's shimmering like burning sausage, imo crap.
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jayb222 said:
I have no scroll latency or lag on my phone. Everything is buttery smooth. I didn't change any settings.
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You must have a golden sample then, one thing is for sure it is NOT buttery smooth, the only place this phone is smooth to my eyes is when side scrolling left and right, the rest is a mess to blunt, there's a guy who did a YouTube vid showing the problem...
Here's another quote from someone in the one plus forums with the same issue.
"Some outlets have reported on a "jello effect" on the OnePlus 5 when scrolling through apps, and I have noticed this myself as well. Right now I just noticed that in horizontally scrolling apps (Snapchat in my case) I get a rolling shutter effect, where the bottom of the screen updates the image faster than the top, amplifying this jello effect. V-Sync of course makes display response time slower, but also ensures that the image never gets cut In half. Can anyone else comment on this? I will try to get it on video whenever I'm home from Copenhagen. It can be quite noticable when you know it and think about it" if vsync has been disabled because they have installed a slow touch response screen or something mines going back.

Ok, I see it too. It's very subtle but there is a stretching compression going on when stopping scrolling.
Doesn't bother me in the slightest but here it is in slow-mo. Most obvious on the final scroll-down at the end of the video.
https://goo.gl/photos/mgD8zT3TAYBxmy3Q6

mine is butter

Mine is too. In fact if I showed you it in person, I don't think you'd see it. It's that subtle and I think you really have to look for it.
Can you see it in the video? It's not the jitter as that is just the result of slowing a video down from 240fps. It's a slight wave as it stops.
If anyone is reading these threads and thinks there's a problem with the OP5 - there's not. We all have the same phones here and some people can't even see the effect that is being described.

stebsgb1 said:
Mine is too. In fact if I showed you it in person, I don't think you'd see it. It's that subtle and I think you really have to look for it.
Can you see it in the video? It's not the jitter as that is just the result of slowing a video down from 240fps. It's a slight wave as it stops.
If anyone is reading these threads and thinks there's a problem with the OP5 - there's not. We all have the same phones here and some people can't even see the effect that is being described.
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I did notice it right away. But I was in an impression that it's an animation. Various ROMs lets you set your render animation. Isnt this just it?

We were saying that too here but it's also present on Chrome.

stebsgb1 said:
We were saying that too here but it's also present on Chrome.
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I tried multiple apps included and I couldn't duplicate that scroll lag. I saw the video and mine definitely doesn't do that.

Scrolling smoothness

Some phones exhibit choppy scrolling, especially when navigating long web pages when multiple apps are running in the background. Rate this thread to express how you smooth scrolling feels on the Samsung Galaxy Note 8 under such conditions. A higher rating indicates that scrolling is always buttery smooth, even when you're reading a 10,000 word article on "how to kiss a girl".
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It's a typical Samsung phone. In other words, not the best. You'll see some frame drops and stuttering on certain apps. Compared to a Pixel phone, it's very choppy. Compared to other phones, especially Samsung, it's maybe a little better than usual.

I'm on my second day of use and I've found the fluidity of the interface to be smooth and without any lag. YMMV.

Ironically the only jumpy, stuttery scrolling I've encountered on this phone is with the official XDA app! Uninstalled and use Samsung browser and dark theme. Slicker than a buttered Otter.

I get a small stutter jumping from home screen into the app menus, had it from the minute it was unboxed. Annoying really!

My S8 had pretty choppy scrolling, especially when scrolling slowly (keeping finger on the screen). However, my Note 8 is buttery smooth in every app so far!

Mine seems very choppy when scrolling YouTube comments

btmusicman313 said:
Mine seems very choppy when scrolling YouTube comments
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That's not your phone, that's your IQ slowly dropping.

Torquemada288 said:
That's not your phone, that's your IQ slowly dropping.
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Hahahahahaha Ladies and gentlemen give it up for the comedian!!!!!

PsiPhiDan said:
It's a typical Samsung phone. In other words, not the best. You'll see some frame drops and stuttering on certain apps. Compared to a Pixel phone, it's very choppy. Compared to other phones, especially Samsung, it's maybe a little better than usual.
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I will say this: on performance mode, this is significantly minimized. I'm actually impressed!

I've set all animations at .5 and haven't seen any stutter or lag at all. I really don't remember any before I changed the settings. It's just an automatic thing I do with Samsung phones. I am also on high performance mode.

douger1957 said:
I've set all animations at .5 and haven't seen any stutter or lag at all. I really don't remember any before I changed the settings. It's just an automatic thing I do with Samsung phones. I am also on high performance mode.
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My animations are on 0.5 as well, and in performance mode it is almost flawless. That's the key I've realized. Non-performance mode was noticeably worse for me (which is why all the store models looked choppy to me - they were incapable of going into performance mode).

Besides slightly raising brightness and setting the resolution all the way up what else does performance mode do?

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Besides slightly raising brightness and setting the resolution all the way up what else does performance mode do?
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Avoids throttling the CPU I think.

Animations set at 0.5.
Smooth scrolls in browsers and tumblr twitter

i have set the animations to 0.5 but Twitter still lags badly.. bit fustrating tbh compared to the iphone twitter app.. i don't understand whys look and perform so much better on iphones

I haven't noticed any lag scrolling since I got it. I just turned Animations off today, I didn't realize you could do that in the Dev options now. TBH I don't like animations just to have animations, I turn them off all my PCs too. If I run into any issues with them off, I"ll try .5

For those who feel choppy, I kindly ask you to disable any services in the accessibility and try again. I have not experienced any stutter except for occasion stutter when I scroll in 'running service' in 'developer option'.

Is exynos throttled more than Snapdragon versions? I've used both now and notice slight lags in exynos (balanced mode)

Running processes are fine, but Chrome (e.g. this page), Twitter etc. are quite choppy. I'm running high performance mode, think it helped a little but not enough. Hope it's something they'll be able to fix with an update

Scrolling smoothness

Some phones exhibit choppy scrolling, especially when navigating long web pages when multiple apps are running in the background. Rate this thread to express how you smooth scrolling feels on the OnePlus 6 under such conditions. A higher rating indicates that scrolling is always buttery smooth, even when you're reading a 10,000 word article on "how to kiss a girl".
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Device is incredibly smooth. It seems like 60 fps in nearly all applications I've went through so far.

The only good phones I've ever used before this have been U11, View10 and that's it.
Scrolling is head and shoulders above them.
Literally smooooooth AF

Facing the scroll and touch issue
Sometimes scrolling is laggy, sometimes it stutters, sometimes it moves too fast when i scrolled it slowly.

Scrolling has been choppy since day 1 for me. There is small microstutter.

jonny30bass said:
Scrolling has been choppy since day 1 for me. There is small microstutter.
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Yup. The problem is, not everyone can see that. For instance, I said in an article that the Play Store (one example) is jittery/stuttery when scrolling up/down in pretty much every 'corner of the app. People thought I was trolling. And my eyes perceive those stutters as relatively obvious ones. I don't understand how people can't see that. Then there's Twitter. If people can't see that Twitter stutters like crazy, then I don't know what else to say. I don't think the OP6 is smoother than the Pixel 2XL, even though that one's a generation behind. Imagine how good the Pixel 3 is gonna be.

dragos281993 said:
Yup. The problem is, not everyone can see that. For instance, I said in an article that the Play Store (one example) is jittery/stuttery when scrolling up/down in pretty much every 'corner of the app. People thought I was trolling. And my eyes perceive those stutters as relatively obvious ones. I don't understand how people can't see that. Then there's Twitter. If people can't see that Twitter stutters like crazy, then I don't know what else to say. I don't think the OP6 is smoother than the Pixel 2XL, even though that one's a generation behind. Imagine how good the Pixel 3 is gonna be.
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Yeah. Most people probably don't notice it, but my eyes are very sensitive to it. I game on a 165 Hz G-sync monitor and I still notice microstutter at high frame rates lol. I wonder how havoc os or lineage os is? Maybe it's just the OS and not the device causing it.

jonny30bass said:
Yeah. Most people probably don't notice it, but my eyes are very sensitive to it. I game on a 165 Hz G-sync monitor and I still notice microstutter at high frame rates lol. I wonder how havoc os or lineage os is? Maybe it's just the OS and not the device causing it.
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Of course the device is not the cause. It's the software that facilitates the appearance of these jitters/stutters. It's all about optimization.

I only got one issue with stuttering. That was on day one, when camera application stuttered and crashed. After that everything went fine. That probably because I had two camera apps. One of device and one installed from Play Store.

jonny30bass said:
Yeah. Most people probably don't notice it, but my eyes are very sensitive to it. I game on a 165 Hz G-sync monitor and I still notice microstutter at high frame rates lol. I wonder how havoc os or lineage os is? Maybe it's just the OS and not the device causing it.
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Same here with the 165hz gsync and very sensitive eyes.. Thus far I haven't noticed any stutters on the device yet been using Instagram, telegram and chrome but nothing so far on latest update.
If I compare my s7 edge that was just a nightmare of stutters.

Yup I get stuttering here, similar to my 3 back in the day. I wonder if tweaking the cpu governor has the same effects as it did on my 3. There is no "conservative" selection anymore.

O notice in some apps now. Not in chrome or Samsung browser (use it for better battery for some reason..)
But apps like Instagram (when loading pictures)
And also play store (most likely loading something too)
I'm thinking it's more about poorly designed apps rather that the device itself.

It seems that scrolling smoothness took a hit after the Pie update, many apps (including chrome) seem to stutter a lot for me.

dax105 said:
It seems that scrolling smoothness took a hit after the Pie update, many apps (including chrome) seem to stutter a lot for me.
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Absolutely true. I just couldn't take it anymore and decided to install the latest Open Beta build, considering that Beta 3 was pretty smooth overall. And yes, Beta 4 is smoother than stable Pie. I don't get how the initial stable Pie build managed to make it to the masses in such a state. For the past few days, the experience on my phone was utter s#!t. I'll stay on Open Beta until things get better on 'stable Pie.

Is there scroll stutter on pie-based LOS and Havoc OS or is it limited to OOS only?

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Same here... spontaneous framedrops/stutter whiles scrolling, very annoying. Beta3 felt a lot smoother to me!

Every second day have to reboot phone into recovery to wipe cache. Reason being, I'm completely unable to type anything correctly when entering text.

Recent apps lag
Hello everyone,
I'm experiencing some stutter and lags with my One Plus 6. For exempe, if I scroll quickly trough the recent apps in the multitask, I can see some frame drops and it's very annoying. I don't understand why...It should work extremely fluessly with a Snapdragon 845. Are some people having the same issue here ?
Thank you so much !

The only way I've found of stopping the stuttering and poor scrolling is for to go to developer options and set the background process limit to "at most, 4 process"

dax105 said:
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I to have this problem. Scrolling would be smooth then suddenly the frames drop for a short time. This happens randomly. :/

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Some phones exhibit choppy scrolling, especially when navigating long web pages when multiple apps are running in the background. Rate this thread to express how you smooth scrolling feels on the HTC U12+ under such conditions. A higher rating indicates that scrolling is always buttery smooth, even when you're reading a 10,000 word article on "how to kiss a girl".
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I think there is something wrong with the scrolling smoothness of the U12+. I am referring to vertical (eg on Blinkfeed or Chrome) or horizontal (between panels on Edge Sense's home screen) movements while the finger swipes and stays on the screen. It can also be described as jerkiness in animation, in a sense that the screen fails in timely following the movement of the finger. It is very apparent when slowly scrolling on the settings menu, or when pulling the notification shade down (especially when pulling it all the way down, by looking at the animation of the quick toggles expanding. It is very evident when directly comparing the same actions between the U12+ and the U11 (stock Oreo) or the 10 (stock Oreo) side-to-side, where the latter 2 are buttery-smooth. It is as if you are seeing a display flucutuating between 50 and 60 fps.
This issue reminds me of an old HTC 10 problem described here https://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/htc-10-varying-50-60-fps-t3435554
Can it be a CPU governor issue? For example, EXKM reports schedutil governon on the U12+ and interactive on the U11 (both stock Oreo).
The thing is I did not notice this for the first two weeks of use, while now I cannot really get over it. The only thing that changed was the update from 1.15 to 1.21. Can it be that something changed between software versions?
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I think there is something wrong with the scrolling smoothness of the U12+. I am referring to vertical (eg on Blinkfeed or Chrome) or horizontal (between panels on Edge Sense's home screen) movements while the finger swipes and stays on the screen. It can also be described as jerkiness in animation, in a sense that the screen fails in timely following the movement of the finger. It is very apparent when slowly scrolling on the settings menu, or when pulling the notification shade down (especially when pulling it all the way down, by looking at the animation of the quick toggles expanding. It is very evident when directly comparing the same actions between the U12+ and the U11 (stock Oreo) or the 10 (stock Oreo) side-to-side, where the latter 2 are buttery-smooth. It is as if you are seeing a display flucutuating between 50 and 60 fps.
This issue reminds me of an old HTC 10 problem described here https://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/htc-10-varying-50-60-fps-t3435554
Can it be a CPU governor issue? For example, EXKM reports schedutil governon on the U12+ and interactive on the U11 (both stock Oreo).
The thing is I did not notice this for the first two weeks of use, while now I cannot really get over it. The only thing that changed was the update from 1.15 to 1.21. Can it be that something changed between software versions?
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Am not noticing any issue with my phone. My HTC 10 was also smooth, the U12+ is just much faster in every regard. My U12+ has also been updated to the latest 1.21. release.

billgs said:
I think there is something wrong with the scrolling smoothness of the U12+. I am referring to vertical (eg on Blinkfeed or Chrome) or horizontal (between panels on Edge Sense's home screen) movements while the finger swipes and stays on the screen. It can also be described as jerkiness in animation, in a sense that the screen fails in timely following the movement of the finger. It is very apparent when slowly scrolling on the settings menu, or when pulling the notification shade down (especially when pulling it all the way down, by looking at the animation of the quick toggles expanding. It is very evident when directly comparing the same actions between the U12+ and the U11 (stock Oreo) or the 10 (stock Oreo) side-to-side, where the latter 2 are buttery-smooth. It is as if you are seeing a display flucutuating between 50 and 60 fps.
This issue reminds me of an old HTC 10 problem described here https://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/help/htc-10-varying-50-60-fps-t3435554
Can it be a CPU governor issue? For example, EXKM reports schedutil governon on the U12+ and interactive on the U11 (both stock Oreo).
The thing is I did not notice this for the first two weeks of use, while now I cannot really get over it. The only thing that changed was the update from 1.15 to 1.21. Can it be that something changed between software versions?
Please share your experiences on the matter...
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I have no issue with my HTC u12+,but here i realized something .there is a big different depend on your scrolling speed ,if you on the main screen and try to scroll up the application window with a full speed ,you will realize the animation become very fast.

shankly1985 said:
Am not noticing any issue with my phone. My HTC 10 was also smooth, the U12+ is just much faster in every regard. My U12+ has also been updated to the latest 1.21. release.
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That is strange. I can understand that different people perceive refresh rate-related things differently, but I think this is too much of a difference for someone not to notice. I think we need to summon THE expert on such issues, a guy who also has extended experience with the device. @hamdir, if you are around, please share your thoughts!

billgs said:
That is strange. I can understand that different people perceive refresh rate-related things differently, but I think this is too much of a difference for someone not to notice. I think we need to summon THE expert on such issues, a guy who also has extended experience with the device. @hamdir, if you are around, please share your thoughts!
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@billgs
It´s not an issue with the framerate directly. It´s an issue with the framebuffer and the GPU/DRM drivers. This changed a bit on the new 4.9 kernel (snapdragon 845) contrary to the old 4.4 kernel (snapdragon 835) and how it´s implemented to the kernel. Therefore also the implementation of colour control is quite a bit different compared to the old 4.4 kernel.
It was resolved by the Qualcomm guys at the code aurora forums (CAF). HTC apparently merged these changes (or their own) into the 1.21 kernel and it´s gone there.
It´s just there when keeping the finger on touchscreen while scrolling very slowly as you mentioned

Pie lag?

Anybody know of a fix for the ridiculous amount of lag on Pie? Between that and the sad excuse of video recording, I'm really debating on going back to my buttery smooth Z2force. The only problem is this phone is pure eye candy, comfortable to hold, and my hands have betrayed my eyes recognition of the lag and fell in love this phone. . The performance is more like snapdragon 620 than 835. Any help regarding this situation would be highly appreciated

I have no lag on Pie, beta 3 or official. Sounds like your due for a full wipe

Well now that sucks considering I just moved about 90gigs to the device and thought I did a full wipe but just notice Alexa still installed. The funny thing is I had very little late lag on Beta 3.

mookiexl said:
Well now that sucks considering I just moved about 90gigs to the device and thought I did a full wipe but just notice Alexa still installed. The funny thing is I had very little late lag on Beta 3.
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I discovered this a month ago and it helps.just go to root/system/buildprop. Add the following to right under additional build settings.then reboot. That's the default setting, but u can mess with the value to get it to your liking

You're only saying there is lag, you're not describing where you are seeing this lag?
The only thing I can say is I thought apps would open faster on this, I have a phone with a SD625, and between this and the Essential, opening and closing apps seems like the same speed. But the startup on the Essential is faster...

DoR3M3 said:
You're only saying there is lag, you're not describing where you are seeing this lag?
The only thing I can say is I thought apps would open faster on this, I have a phone with an SD625, and between this and the Essential, opening and closing apps seems like the same speed. But the startup on the Essential is faster...
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Scrolling in-app, swiping in-app and launcher, and also scrolling cards in recents. I have a z2force with SD835 and comparing this phone to the z2 this phone feels like an SD626

mookiexl said:
Scrolling in-app, swiping in-app and launcher, and also scrolling cards in recents. I have a z2force with SD835 and comparing this phone to the z2 this phone feels like an SD626
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If I were you, I'd wipe everything, and then fastboot the full official pie update. Just to fully eliminate software.

Hi there I am the same boat like you . I got lag typing on keyboard scroll is not smooth at all .I tried reinstalling the latest build and factory full reset pus wipe all data .I can't resolve the lag I think they rush to get it in the same date like the pixel but is not optimised for this device for example get an icon and hold it and get it to place it in another location you will find out that the icon is behind when you move it
The only and I think temporary fix is by doing this
Go and click 5 times on build number and go in developer settings you will find there touch sensitivity set it to 10 let say default is 4 I think . You will improve touch latency a bit .
I just bought the device I don't know how it was on Oreo but I can say on this pie build official is not smooth

@mookiexl got to the Developer Options;
Windows animation scale - off
Transition animation scale - off or .5x
Animator duration scale - off or .5x
Also increasing the 'Touch Sensitivity' increases the scrolling speed.
Play with these and watch it fly! LOL
It would be great if someone can take a video so we can actually see this lag with our own eyes.
I just got my phone and it turned out bad, sending it back, new one on the way. It makes me wonder now if all the stories about bad hardware is true on these phones, since I've never had a bad phone ever in my life, then my first Essential turns out bad.
Wifi problems connecting
Statusbar icons appearing in white, turn all black
Phone speaker, bad quality, can't even turn it up, or it gets distorted
Head speaker, is low, volume isn't loud enough
Adaptive brightness doesn't work
Volume got stuck at one point when it was set as all the way down, no sound, then I wasn't able turn the sound back on, nothing would happen on either buttons...
So hopefully new phone arriving will be better, and from this experience, I think I'll keep it on Oreo for a long time, until people start raving over Pie.
And between a SD625 and this SD835, can't say I saw a big speed difference too... hmm

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DoR3M3 said:
@mookiexl got to the Developer Options;
Windows animation scale - off
Transition animation scale - off or .5x
Animator duration scale - off or .5x
Also increasing the 'Touch Sensitivity' increases the scrolling speed.
Play with these and watch it fly! LOL
It would be great if someone can take a video so we can actually see this lag with our own eyes.
I just got my phone and it turned out bad, sending it back, new one on the way. It makes me wonder now if all the stories about bad hardware is true on these phones, since I've never had a bad phone ever in my life, then my first Essential turns out bad.
Wifi problems connecting
Statusbar icons appearing in white, turn all black
Phone speaker, bad quality, can't even turn it up, or it gets distorted
Head speaker, is low, volume isn't loud enough
Adaptive brightness doesn't work
Volume got stuck at one point when it was set as all the way down, no sound, then I wasn't able turn the sound back on, nothing would happen on either buttons...
So hopefully new phone arriving will be better, and from this experience, I think I'll keep it on Oreo for a long time, until people start raving over Pie.
And between a SD625 and this SD835, can't say I saw a big speed difference too... hmm
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I hear ya brother. To be fair I haven't had any of those other problems I heard about before buying the phone besides what's mentioned in this thread. 3rd party camera apps with full manual control drastically improved camera quality for my device. If you want to see the lag I'm taking about just YouTube it.
As far as SD625 and Sd835, there's a huge difference for me being a power user. Lots of gaming, editing videos, download big files, or even just transferring data from internal to external sd you will definitely see a big difference in performance during any memory extensive task.

@mookiexl
Do you know any YouTube videos with the same issues you're having, you can show us?
I only found one for Camera Portrait Lag.

Fastboot install of 9.0 over the official July 8.1. Magisk root.
No device lag or issues with WiFi, volume or any of the things above. The only lag I see is my own getting to grips with the UI changes.
USOpen device used in the UK.
It sounds like you're both having some kind of install/integrity issue. Did you test the checksum?

DoR3M3 said:
@mookiexl
Do you know any YouTube videos with the same issues you're having, you can show us?
I only found one for Camera Portrait Lag.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbw_TUnfXuU

kboya said:
Fastboot install of 9.0 over the official July 8.1. Magisk root.
No device lag or issues with WiFi, volume or any of the things above. The only lag I see is my own getting to grips with the UI changes.
USOpen device used in the UK.
It sounds like you're both having some kind of install/integrity issue. Did you test the checksum?
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All I've done since receiving the device is take all system updates and then unlocked bootloader which in turn wipe data. See the video I posted for details. If you have another SD835 device to compare it too try tha,t or better yet don't because it will make the lag very bothersome once you know its there.

That video is a year old. I have no discernible lag even with upward of 20 apps in the background, but I'm not saying that you don't.
Also, I had this and a Google PXL at the same time up until a few weeks ago. If anything, the PH1 was better, smoother and faster.

I've got serious lag... Keyoress lag, stuttering during scrolling. Could it be because of RAM usage? The stats in developer options say that I using 3.4 out of 3.9 gb on average....

garywojdan81 said:
I have no lag on Pie, beta 3 or official. Sounds like your due for a full wipe
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Can you explain how I dod a full wipe?

Since the Dec update much less ram.locked up

autosurgeon said:
Since the Dec update much less ram.locked up
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I'm on November and ram management Is fine for me.
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