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NoDo issues/comments

So NoDo is here at last....seems way faster and much better than pre-NoDo.
Things I've noticed that I haven't seen publicised -
Headphone button now hangs up a call, didn't used to.
Display driver seems worse for some pages (WPCentral page, Bing search pages - noticeable banding, even where there didn't used to be).
Switch from WiFi to non-WiFi much smoother (I used to have particular problems with this
Anyone noticed anything else or got the same issue with the Display driver that I have?
All in all a big fan but will look forward to any further driver updates that might get the display working to it's Amoled best!

- mine not saving camera setting such as wide dynamic range or antishake, also video resolution is not saved
But this were also in old soft

no problems here. everything seems to be improved

J-A-J-O said:
- mine not saving camera setting such as wide dynamic range or antishake, also video resolution is not saved
But this were also in old soft
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That's a feature. Microsoft is considering allowing the settings to be saved.

Am I alone with the display banding (really noticeable if you press the search button - the Bing 'Wallpaper' used to be really high resolution but now looks pants)?

DatDereX1 said:
That's a feature. Microsoft is considering allowing the settings to be saved.
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Considering? They better allow it because it's the most frustrating part of WP7 for me. I want it in 720 as soon as I go into video mode!

gc48067 said:
Am I alone with the display banding (really noticeable if you press the search button - the Bing 'Wallpaper' used to be really high resolution but now looks pants)?
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That was like that before NoDo. I think it just depends on the wallpaper tbh. Dont think the quality is lower. But just not the right rendering.
Ive wrote to MS on facebook. On their feedback programme and questionaires and twitter about the camera settings.
Accordingly by alot of websites its a "feature" so incase you mess up settings it goes back to normal. I can justify this for all the settings except the quality settings. Damn why would you want to shoot in lower resolution when you can do it in 720p?

evolutionqy7 said:
That was like that before NoDo. I think it just depends on the wallpaper tbh. Dont think the quality is lower. But just not the right rendering.
Ive wrote to MS on facebook. On their feedback programme and questionaires and twitter about the camera settings.
Accordingly by alot of websites its a "feature" so incase you mess up settings it goes back to normal. I can justify this for all the settings except the quality settings. Damn why would you want to shoot in lower resolution when you can do it in 720p?
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lower frame rate at 720p on some devices?

comeradealexi said:
lower frame rate at 720p on some devices?
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Isnt that OEM's fault for not getting the code right?
I wish MS just stopped mucking around and release their own damn phone. That way there will be no fall in quality as they will be able to control everything on the phone and do it, the way its meant to be done

I have noticed the same problem with display.
The most visible artefacts I have found in "Now" app. Waves the the top of the screen are corrupted with soime artefacts.
I have also noticed that photos in people tile are more bright than before update.

Again your just being picky. Ive seen the wave ripples for vibration before the update.
It shouldnt affect the display or anything else. Its just an OS update and not a firmware update (well atleast that was the case for me)
Ive said this alot of times before that the clarity of AMOLED screens isnt as good as LCD screens. Yeah colours might be nicer but its not as clear as LCD SLCD

I do not want to compare SuperAmoled (Oled) and SLCD (LCD).
I do compare a display issue which appeared after update to 7008/NoDo from 7004.
There was no display issue with firmware 7004. Al least I believe it because I had not noticed it before update.

I'm just saying that it was there already. And its amoled issue and not the OS as their two different things
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Is there absolutely no improvement to the 720P capture? Is it still very choppy?
I wish Samsung would sort out the abnormally high shutter speed/white balance bug, so that the videos would appear less choppy.

Live mail folders still dosent update correct on my phone.
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Low light video/images annoying forced exposure?

First of all I would like to say I LOVE this phone, its the best Android phone I have used thus far and I came from the HTC one, S4, and note 2.
Now here is whats making me insane, lg imposes this extreme low light processing which causes the image to become brighter at night, now thats completely fine with images I don't mind it, but with video seeing as we can't disable it, it makes videos taken during lowlight/indoor lighting horrid, any movement introduced causes blur and ghosting (even under the 1080p 60fps mode). I also have an iphone 5s and while the video is definitely darker, there is no issue with blur or ghosting.
This is not a bug, it is not a malfunction, its a feature that LG imposes on the camera, I was just wondering if there was some way to disable it from activating. If you guys don't understand what I mean I can make videos to show you the difference.

mobiousblack said:
First of all I would like to say I LOVE this phone, its the best Android phone I have used thus far and I came from the HTC one, S4, and note 2.
Now here is whats making me insane, lg imposes this extreme low light processing which causes the image to become brighter at night, now thats completely fine with images I don't mind it, but with video seeing as we can't disable it, it makes videos taken during lowlight/indoor lighting horrid, any movement introduced causes blur and ghosting (even under the 1080p 60fps mode). I also have an iphone 5s and while the video is definitely darker, there is no issue with blur or ghosting.
This is not a bug, it is not a malfunction, its a feature that LG imposes on the camera, I was just wondering if there was some way to disable it from activating. If you guys don't understand what I mean I can make videos to show you the difference.
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There is a modded camera you can use in order to fix the video low light (low frames) issues.Must have root tho and recovery in order to do so.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2471900

woof123 said:
There is a modded camera you can use in order to fix the video low light (low frames) issues.Must have root tho and recovery in order to do so.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2471900
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Thanks for the response I am glad I'm not the only one annoyed by this.

mobiousblack said:
Thanks for the response I am glad I'm not the only one annoyed by this.
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Your welcome,hopefully soon we will have even better mods from the guys that are trying to help us.

woof123 said:
Your welcome,hopefully soon we will have even better mods from the guys that are trying to help us.
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I hope lg eventually decided to give us the option to choose, basically decrease exposure to get better fps in low light. I prefer to keep my devices unrooted so I don't loose OTA updates but I'm glad that someone actually fixed it. If it gets too annoying I might eventually root

Nexus 6 Ultimate 4K Video Test

Change to 4K/2160p in Quality Settings! The only real compression is on youtube's side. And I will say I see a little better quality on my Master File than on youtube.
I decided to test the 4k video recording on the Nexus 6 by shooting my entire vacation with it. I've compiled a recap video showcasing the camera's abilities.
-There conditions recorded in are: high light, low light, sunny, overcast, indoors and outdoors, etc.
-I've zoomed in a few times and moved the phone to force refocus in a few clips.
-There has been NO post editing to the footage such as color correction, cropping, stabilizing, etc.
-Crossfading, fade to black, muting of audio, and title overlays are the only alterations made to compile this video
ENJOY!

Looks like OIS keeps making things a bit juttery and focusing in and out at times.

knitler said:
Looks like OIS keeps making things a bit juttery and focusing in and out at times.
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Yes Google camera does that. Same on nexus 5

rootSU said:
Yes Google camera does that. Same on nexus 5
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Does using another camera app prevent it?

knitler said:
Does using another camera app prevent it?
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I've never tried. I doubt it

Then it's a hardware issue I assume.

knitler said:
Then it's a hardware issue I assume.
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No... But 3rd party cameras are not a complete solution. They use the existing libs and camera HAL etc, which is software.
But you can try it, who knows?

i need to look around to see if there are any apps that lock focus.
That would come in handy

Robert_W said:
i need to look around to see if there are any apps that lock focus.
That would come in handy
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Try with Cinema FV-5

I watched the whole thing before realizing my monitor at work isn't 4K
nice video - I'll have to watch it later at home to really see the quality. The focusing issue sucks and is really pronounced on this phone, I wonder if L Camera is any better at it.

springer.music said:
Try with Cinema FV-5
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I have that app in my wish list. Gotta do some more research to see if it offers what I want. I prefer simplicity like the stock app is designed, but I don't think google will ever include these especiall features.. Including 60/120/240 fps.

springer.music said:
Try with Cinema FV-5
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camera focus doesnt seem to be an issue with cinema fv-5. pretty sure its an android issue as my nexus 5 had the same problem (as mentioned above). anyway i just shot a few minutes of 4k video w cinema fv-5 and i dont see any re-focusing nonsense going on

rman18 said:
I watched the whole thing before realizing my monitor at work isn't 4K
nice video - I'll have to watch it later at home to really see the quality.
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Did you get to watch it in all its glory? Lol

Cinema FV-5 seems to fix the constant jittery focus issue. Wish I make this video test in that app instead

Manual Camera is, by far, the most feature-packed camera app for the Nexus 6. Full support with the new camera API's too ?

StrizzMatik said:
Manual Camera is, by far, the most feature-packed camera app for the Nexus 6. Full support with the new camera API's too
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fv5 supports the new apis as well. i read manual camera has issues. like you can't zoom and theres no way to switch between front and rear cameras...
but on topic, does manual camera support video recording?

indianajonze said:
fv5 supports the new apis as well.
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I hope they add 60/120 fps soon. That's the only camera feature I really want

Open camera supports everything people!!!! Just downloaded it and is now my default camera!!!! It support all resolutions for stills and recording, shows amount of memory left in real time, and a lot of other things and you get really check the options for a lot and best part of all its open source!!! So always free and never ad filled, I think Google should have hired this guy to make their camera app!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.opencamera
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I started watching the video on my phone, then decided to stream it to my 42 inch flat screen tv to check out the quality on a larger scale, and then realized my 42 inch TV is lower resolution than my phone as a result. lol!
i was recently looking around for other camera apps so as to see how the device's ability to shoot in RAW compares to various cameras. I was considering trying FV5 but was checking out the free alternatives first.
I tried L Camera, which did let me adjust ISO, white balance, and so on, but it had some pretty major issues that need to be worked out still.
While I haven't tried FV5 yet (so I can't say much about that app specifically) I just tried out Open Camera (the above post caused me to remember it showing up in the app store several times while I was browsing) and wowee it's actually really good so far. Only one bug so far that I've encountered and it's very minor. The customization and various settings are really well thought out.
It says it can do 60/120 fps with a disclaimer that it may not always reach the designated fps if the hardware doesn't support it..so maybe?
auto-focus seemed quite a bit faster compared to google's stock camera app and it's much easier to adjust the lighting quickly than any other camera apps I've tried so far.
Right now the only thing I can really find "wrong" with it is the overall design and layout of the app, but it's not poorly designed at all.
I'll be using Open Camera as my default camera app until a major flaw presents itself or google amps up it's own app to compete. Very pleasantly surprised so far.

Robert_W said:
Change to 4K/2160p in Quality Settings! The only real compression is on youtube's side. And I will say I see a little better quality on my Master File than on youtube.
I decided to test the 4k video recording on the Nexus 6 by shooting my entire vacation with it. I've compiled a recap video showcasing the camera's abilities.
-There conditions recorded in are: high light, low light, sunny, overcast, indoors and outdoors, etc.
-I've zoomed in a few times and moved the phone to force refocus in a few clips.
-There has been NO post editing to the footage such as color correction, cropping, stabilizing, etc.
-Crossfading, fade to black, muting of audio, and title overlays are the only alterations made to compile this video
ENJOY!
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Awesome video and very helpful. Thank you.

Netflix HDR

In case you haven't read it today, Netflix is now supporting HDR for our XZP's - see Android Police and or Android Authority's articles.

Does anyone know if 4k is also now activated on netflix for the XZP or is it just hdr?

Shnig said:
Does anyone know if 4k is also now activated on netflix for the XZP or is it just hdr?
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4K has been available on the Netflix app for a long time. HDR was the only thing that was missing (which has now been added)

leijonasisu said:
4K has been available on the Netflix app for a long time. HDR was the only thing that was missing (which has now been added)
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I do not believe this is correct. Do you have a source?

Shnig said:
I do not believe this is correct. Do you have a source?
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What do you think is incorrect? I just finished watching an episode of Daredevil on Netflix in HDR. I didn't see anything in 4K though, but it might be that my preferred series do no come in 4K.

Shnig said:
I do not believe this is correct. Do you have a source?
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Geezus... do a google search :good::good:
https://9to5google.com/2017/08/04/sony-xperia-xz-premium-supports-hdr-streaming-on-netflix/

ishemes said:
What do you think is incorrect? I just finished watching an episode of Daredevil on Netflix in HDR. I didn't see anything in 4K though, but it might be that my preferred series do no come in 4K.
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I was trying to be polite by saying I did not believe that's correct. Netflix's android app does not currently support 4k Playback on any phone. This is a demonstrable fact, it's nothing to do with your preferred series unfortunately.
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What do you think is incorrect? I just finished watching an episode of Daredevil on Netflix in HDR. I didn't see anything in 4K though, but it might be that my preferred series do no come in 4K.
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Geezus... do a google search :good::good:
https://9to5google.com/2017/08/04/sony-xperia-xz-premium-supports-hdr-streaming-on-netflix/
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My ability to use Google is just fine thank you, as is my ability to read/comprehend: The article you linked only mentions HDR support not 4k support for Netflix because unfortunately Netflix does not support 4k Playback for android phones.

Shnig said:
I was trying to be polite by saying I did not believe that's correct. Netflix's android app does not currently support 4k Playback on any phone. This is a demonstrable fact, it's nothing to do with your preferred series unfortunately.
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No 4K is a shame. I was afraid that this is what you meant. I was hoping though that you meant that there was no HDR content. In any case, there is hope. Especially since the stopped allowing their android app to be installed on a rooted phone. So they might get ready to bring some really high quality content to the phones.

It really doesn't matter anyway. Unless you put the phone within 3 inches of your eyeballs you won't see the improvement in detail over 1080p.
Physically impossible,
HDR on the other hand and high bit rate low compression will and does deliver significant improvments

dazza9075 said:
It really doesn't matter anyway. Unless you put the phone within 3 inches of your eyeballs you won't see the improvement in detail over 1080p.
Physically impossible,
HDR on the other hand and high bit rate low compression will and does deliver significant improvments
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It actually is possible.
I downloaded the Peru 8k video in both 1080p and 2160p. While both of them look really nice, I can see more detail in the 2160p one.
It's not like I can see individual pixels, but more like having a brand new prescription compared to my old one. Both let me see pretty clearly, but one is perceptibly clearer.

Xifar said:
It actually is possible.
I downloaded the Peru 8k video in both 1080p and 2160p. While both of them look really nice, I can see more detail in the 2160p one.
It's not like I can see individual pixels, but more like having a brand new prescription compared to my old one. Both let me see pretty clearly, but one is perceptibly clearer.
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My reply didn't last for some reason an I can't be bothered to type it all out again just now but to summarise.
Physics doesn't lie, with normal eye sight on a screen 5.5 in with, 2160 resolution, the range in which you can detect those details, is 3in, beyond that, a typical person can't see those details on such a high PPI screen.
Monitors have a significantly lower PPI so will have a wider range.
To see 4k Improvements on a large TV you need to be within 3 foot. Far beyond what most people have in their living room. But is exactly the maximum distance you will find in any TV shop
What does make a difference is bitrate, HDR, compression artifacts, Contrast ratio, saturation and brightness.
And typically its that that will improve a pictures appearance.
4k alone, physically can't be detected.
It's the new 3D, Designed to fill a marketing departments wet dreams.

dazza9075 said:
My reply didn't last for some reason an I can't be bothered to type it all out again just now but to summarise.
Physics doesn't lie, with normal eye sight on a screen 5.5 in with, 2160 resolution, the range in which you can detect those details, is 3in, beyond that, a typical person can't see those details on such a high PPI screen.
Monitors have a significantly lower PPI so will have a wider range.
To see 4k Improvements on a large TV you need to be within 3 foot. Far beyond what most people have in their living room. But is exactly the maximum distance you will find in any TV shop
What does make a difference is bitrate, HDR, compression artifacts, Contrast ratio, saturation and brightness.
And typically its that that will improve a pictures appearance.
4k alone, physically can't be detected.
It's the new 3D, Designed to fill a marketing departments wet dreams.
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First mistake is using the term "normal", it should be average. The difference is normal implies what everybody sees, where as average indicates that there is a sliding scale and some see better than others. And just that, not all visual acuity is the same, some are slightly better, some are dramatically better. This applies to a wide variety of factors as well, not just detail.
Second mistake is in assuming the ability to pick out "detail" is the end all be all. The ability to pick out specific details in a static image (say the corner of a building) may in fact be driven by physics (again, using "average" eyesight) however that does not directly correlate into video with moving edges, edge sharpening and pixel bleeding. Just as the ability to pick out detail can be averaged, indicating higher and lower levels of eyesight, sensitivity to motion detection and color balance are also can be judged on a scale. What this says is that the edge of a bright colored building as it moves against the background may have much more than just "detail" to those with heightened visual acuity.

firstly Normal is the perfect description for eye sight that is considered to be optimum, any deviation from that is sub optimal so when one talks about Normal, IE, what is considered perfect, eye sight, that may or may not be the average, but I couldn't give a monkeys about average eyesight, we are talking about the physical limitations of the human eye in a perfect environment.
Secondly, a moving image is even less likely to have higher visible detail. If you are sitting 6 inches away from our tiny 4k screens, the physical limitation of you eye prohibits you from being able to see the individual pixels, you cant see it, in the same way you can see the flag on the moon, even with the most powerful telescopes on earth or even in space, Hubble for instance cant see anything much smaller than a football pitch and yet it can see whole galaxies in what appears to be highly detailed images. your eye can also only see detail in a relatively small portion of your field of view anyway, our eyes are comparatively crap compared to other animals but they are very good multi functional eyes, more of a jack of all trades, master of none.
anyhow, thirdly, you will notice that I did say that the higher bitrate associated with 4K HDR videos along with much better compression algorithms do make a noticeable difference in image quality, which is what you are talking about when talking about colours, contrasts and motion. Its not the 4K that's doing that, its all the goodness that comes with it.
I have this phone, I have several 4K screens of multiple sizes and I can tell you that 4K isn't the be all and end all especially if you sit beyond the optimal distance, if it wasn't for HDR being packaged with 4K it wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as it is. HDR on a OLED is breath taking, hell, even on a decent LCD/LED screen it blows FHD screens out of the water. of course you need a decent HDR TV for that, one that can pump out 1000+ nits.

Does V20 has portrait mode like iPhone in Camera?

I m willing to buy this phone for HiRes music and it is cheaper now. But I want to know if this thing has portrait mode or not.
Portrait Mode: It is similar to bouque effect present in dslr or in simple words background becomes blur so the foreground stands out clearer.

experot said:
I m willing to buy this phone for HiRes music and it is cheaper now. But I want to know if this thing has portrait mode or not.
Portrait Mode: It is similar to bouque effect present in dslr or in simple words background becomes blur so the foreground stands out clearer.
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well in a sense with manual mode yeah because you can select what you want in focus

No, the V20 does not have that. The V20 is quite the exact opposite of the iPhone. The iPhone is for people who can't or won't figure things out for themselves. The V20 is for those who know and want to do things themselves and have more control. You can use the Google Camera app and use its blur mode if you want though.

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No, the V20 does not have that. The V20 is quite the exact opposite of the iPhone. The iPhone is for people who can't or won't figure things out for themselves. The V20 is for those who know and want to do things themselves and have more control. You can use the Google Camera app and use its blur mode if you want though.
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I don't think google camera app uses dual camera setup,that can be intalled to any phone and doesn't provide good bg blur effect.
Still thanks for reply.
Tell me if there is any other option in Manual mode etc

There are at least 5 camera apps I can think of that allows this... However, I am not going to publicly promote a product or service that if obtained through proper stores,costs money. So... Sorry about that. I searched for aDSLR solution for some time. The main issue I was coming across was most replacement alps made it look like someone ate some potato chips, then touched all over the camera(s) lens(es) with said hands without properly wiping them all over their roommates couch.
Come to think of it.... I was eating some hamburger flavored chips.......hmmm

experot said:
I don't think google camera app uses dual camera setup,that can be intalled to any phone and doesn't provide good bg blur effect.
Still thanks for reply.
Tell me if there is any other option in Manual mode etc
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Both the Google camera app and the iPhone are going to do the same thing, which is use software trickery to blur the background by using information based on changes of depth. iPhone does this using two cameras and the Google app uses one and just has you "pan" the camera up and does some nifty calculations. As for installing it on any phone, you're in the V20 section asking about what to use on a V20. Someone ported it to the V20 and I've been using it for when I want auto photos since then just as well as I would on my Nexus devices. So I don't understand your point. The Google app actually does a decent job for software based trickery.
As for any other options in manual mode, that's not the point of manual mode. Manual mode is for those who want full control over their images. This means you are in charge of pre and post production. Want a specific type of light? Then find and/or set up that type of light. Want background blur? You will have to know what it takes to get blur out of this sensor size and be able to set that situation up. Like I said before, the V20 is not a dummy mode phone.
Ultimately though, if you want to get bokeh all the time all day long, you need at least a full frame DSLR and a very large aperture lens attached to it. Even dedicated cameras with fast lenses with sensors larger than anything in a phone run into issues creating bokeh in certain situations. Or, expand your photography horizons. If all you care about is bokeh, you need to be a bit more creative.
If you still aren't happy with any of the above, just get an iPhone. I hear they're great for when you don't want to have to do any thinking at all.