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[LINK] Let's get Google to fix the video recorder issues

I posted part of this in charnsingh_online's 780p thread, but I feel it's more appropriate to post here instead so that everyone sees it, so here goes -
The biggest problems with the Nexus One's video recorder are the mediocre audio recording format (AMR 8kHz) and the low frame rates in decent lighting conditions. This is not acceptable, because the Nexus One is Google's so-called "superphone" and we have seen the iPhone and Droid produce good quality video recordings (ie. constant frame rates, good audio) on arguably lower hardware specs.
Here's a link to a Google feature request that a Nexus One owner posted way back in January:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6156
"Issue 6156: Adding support for more audio and video encoders in Android."
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Please visit the page I have linked, and if you have a Google account (I am sure you all do!), click on the star at the top left (and leave comments too!) so that it increases the number of stars and thus brings it to the attention of the Google team.
It may be a longshot that they do something about it, but it doesn't hurt to at least let them know about it!
EDIT: The issue above is actually a general Android feature request, but for the Nexus One you could also visit a similar thread in the Nexus One help forum:
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?fid=5f7b0b7d99eff9310004892474249fa2&hl=en

I do have to say, though, that the framerate reduction is a very positive thing for low-light videos compared to the Milestone/Droid. My N1 can take beautiful videos of performances in nightclubs and on outdoor nighttime stages by slowing down the framerate to capture enough light. Under the same conditions, my Milestone produces a high-framerate video of... total darkness punctuated by a few bright lights.
But it would be nice to have some more fine-grained controls over this.

cmstlist said:
I do have to say, though, that the framerate reduction is a very positive thing for low-light videos compared to the Milestone/Droid. My N1 can take beautiful videos of performances in nightclubs and on outdoor nighttime stages by slowing down the framerate to capture enough light. Under the same conditions, my Milestone produces a high-framerate video of... total darkness punctuated by a few bright lights.
But it would be nice to have some more fine-grained controls over this.
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Image quality is all fine and dandy, but when you are only getting 9fps in a lit room then the video is garbage anyway. In the same conditions with the Milestone the frame rate is at a constant 24 fps and the picture is a bit grainy due to the increased ISO(?), which is still acceptable still (plus you can use the LED light to add some more brightness).

dsixda said:
Image quality is all fine and dandy, but when you are only getting 9fps in a lit room then the video is garbage anyway. In the same conditions with the Milestone the frame rate is at a constant 24 fps and the picture is a bit grainy due to the increased ISO(?), which is still acceptable still (plus you can use the LED light to add some more brightness).
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Sure, but under the conditions I described (dark room with stage lighting, basically), Milestone fails completely and N1 succeeds. The LED light will not help under these circumstances - the stage lighting is plenty bright, but the Milestone simply fails to capture anything at all.
Here's an example N1 video in a nightclub - one of my favourite Vancouver drag queens in fact
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc4Kk0h4cL0
Yes, the frame rate isn't great and the audio sucks... but the colours are absolutely brilliant. I didn't have my Milestone yet at the time I filmed this but I've tried using it in similar conditions. All the Milestone produces is complete darkness with a few tiny flashes of light. Not even grainy... absolute darkness.

Thanks for this. Im so sick of hearing about the cruddy things about the nexus that arent hardware related. If it doesnt have the hardware i understand the limitations, but it seems like google just didnt really try with this damn phone. I mean fps sucks and we couldve had 720p recording? What the **** is going on over there at android headquarters? Whos in charge of quality control? And they didnt even think 720 was POSSIBLE? Talk about bush league.

Good idea...have visit the link and left my comments

Star added!

Thanks for doing this.
IMO, 720p is over-rated. 480 @ 16:9 (or 16:8 or w/e) is more file-size effiecient anyway. I think the biggest issue is audio. 8k?! That's insanely low. Un-necessarily low. We need a fix to this seriously badly.

yes 720p is over-rated. id rather have a high quality (high bitrate/high framerate) 480p... its like an upscaled DVD vs a low bitrate 720p movie rip from piratebay

Agreed with both of you. Personally, I don't think it's such a big deal to have 720p when the frame rate and audio is so mediocre in the first place. Takes up too much storage too. We need to fix the bigger issues first.

BTW the link to the entire Issues list is found on the "Issues" tab in that URL I showed in the first post. Or you can access it through here: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list
When I first posted this thread, the video encoder issue was only at 29 stars and it was on page 3 of the Issues list... now it has 74 stars and we are at page 2! Thanks everyone.. we need more people though!

You're going to have more luck posting this in the nexus forums than the android forums.
You will not be seeing support for propietary codecs on the Android base OS.
The only way you will see it is at the device level. Licensing issues prevent it from being incorporated into Android, but not into specific devices.

[Q] snapdragon's 120fps - doesn't look 720P to me :(

hello there
i was wondering on this issue.
the snapdragon 800 supposedly can do real 720P slo-mo at 120fps. right?
well, i checked many YT videos of the NOTE 3 alongside the A7's similar slo-mo (apple's 5S),
and it DOES NOT LOOK 720P at all. it looks pixelated, or better say, UPSCALED 480p.
while the A7 produce a video that's really usable, and really looks like genuine 720P.
why is that? from the specs i read on the SD800 it clearly says it HAS that capability.
this is a feature i just gotta have in my next phone and i want an Android phone with proper screen size.
any thoughts on the matter?
thanks!

Hmm I think you got it completely wrong..
http://blog.gsmarena.com/the-apple-iphone-5s-is-not-actually-recording-720p-slo-mo-video/

orbitech said:
Hmm I think you got it completely wrong..
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yea i saw it, thanks.
whether of not this is true, i could see with my own eyes from the many YT 720P videos that it's vastly superior to any other rivals with this option.
mainly the Note 3.
so they say the 5S is not genuine 720p? so it means the Note 3 is even less than 480p? i need FACTS.
and my eyes tell me the 5S looks like 720P. and the NOTE 3 looks like an upscaled 480p
please look in YT and tell me i'm wrong?
the 5S videos are usable to me. the NOTE 3 aren't.
so, why is that?

I don't have any reason to not believe you but.
To me it looks like genuine 720p. GSM arena a respectable site says it's genuine, while the 5s is not, so..
It seems to me maybe you have individual issues with it. Did you try flashing the APK camera again or another rom maybe this will solve your issue?
Worst case scenario is that you have a faulty camera and you need to give it for a repair?

orbitech said:
I don't have any reason to not believe you but.
To me it looks like genuine 720p. GSM arena a respectable site says it's genuine, while the 5s is not, so..
It seems to me maybe you have individual issues with it. Did you try flashing the APK camera again or another rom maybe this will solve your issue?
Worst case scenario is that you have a faulty camera and you need to give it for a repair?
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you misunderstood me.
i don't own a Note 3. i am looking for an Android device that can do a decent 720p slo-mo,
and from all the latest snapdragon's out there, the Note is the only one that claims to do a real 720p slo-mo.
i looked at many comparisons videos on youtube, downloaded them and studied them.
conclusion: the 5S is doing at least a x2 better job, whether it's fake or not.
if you could upload a sample of a 120fps slo-mo from your Note 3 and let me study it, i might be proven wrong.
but from MANY samples on YT, my eyes tell me a different story. please check for yourself and tell me.
(i'm not allowed to paste links yet, sorry)
btw - the gsm arena themselves say that they took a 720p video (NOT slo-mo) from the Note 3 and compared it to the 5S slo-mo, so obviously they didn't compare it right imo.

Ok I will be Cpt Obvious but... Do not trust YT. Or the internet samples from the vast majority of YT channels. I only read respectable sites and not the biased stories of every guy that posts or reposts the same videos with unproven or unscientific or biased methods.
Beyond all that, logic says a smartphone that can shoot 4K video @30fps and [email protected] certainly can do 720p @120fps. Especially with a processor like the S800.
If I have some time to upload a video I will do it for you, but I can't make any promises.
rozroz said:
btw - the gsm arena themselves say that they took a 720p video (NOT slo-mo) from the Note 3 and compared it to the 5S slo-mo, so obviously they didn't compare it right imo.
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Read the article again carefully. They did that since iPhone 5s does not support regular 720p video . Also the method is more than legit if you follow their logic. I am sorry to say that again but I would take the GSM Arena's findings any day over a YT's channel.

orbitech said:
Ok I will be Cpt Obvious but... Do not trust YT. Or the internet samples from the vast majority of YT channels. I only read respectable sites and not the biased stories of every guy that posts or reposts the same videos with unproven or unscientific or biased methods.
Beyond all that, logic says a smartphone that can shoot 4K video @30fps and [email protected] certainly can do 720p @120fps. Especially with a processor like the S800.
If I have some time to upload a video I will do it for you, but I can't make any promises.
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i completely agree with you on that.
that's why i asked you for a genuine sample
really hope you could make the effort (or anyone else here for that matter )
thanks.

rozroz said:
i completely agree with you on that.
that's why i asked you for a genuine sample
really hope you could make the effort (or anyone else here for that matter )
thanks.
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I will try I promise.Currently at work and way too much rain here today. It would be better to capture with better conditions for better results.

orbitech said:
I will try I promise.Currently at work and way too much rain here today. It would be better to capture with better conditions for better results.
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many thanks!

This is going to sound like a stupid question, but how do you set the frame rate? I can set the resolution to 720p but I see no options for framerate.

neoKushan said:
This is going to sound like a stupid question, but how do you set the frame rate? I can set the resolution to 720p but I see no options for framerate.
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from what i remember you can only record a "slow motion" option.. no? ( i don't won a Note 3, sorry).

I'm not seeing anything like that anywhere though.
EDIT: Never mind, found it!

neoKushan said:
This is going to sound like a stupid question, but how do you set the frame rate? I can set the resolution to 720p but I see no options for framerate.
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Once you choose the video resolution you open the "gear" menu and select the recording mode from a videocam icon that is there. There is no 30/60/120, just normal,fast,slow/smooth/limit for MMS options,depending on the video resolution you choose.

Thanks, I managed to find the options. There are actually some other options as well, you can set 1/2, 1/4 or 1/8 (default).
I've made two quick recordings of me picking up a pen and dropping it, one in slow-mo (1/8) and one at regular 720p. There's a definite difference in quality, I think.
Rather than upping them to youtube, here are the files straight from the device for a better comparison:
Regular: http://www.multiupload.nl/PFSU1W0H5R
Slow-mo: http://www.multiupload.nl/ZZF0SB3IFG

orbitech said:
I don't have any reason to not believe you but.
To me it looks like genuine 720p. GSM arena a respectable site says it's genuine, while the 5s is not, so..
It seems to me maybe you have individual issues with it. Did you try flashing the APK camera again or another rom maybe this will solve your issue?
Worst case scenario is that you have a faulty camera and you need to give it for a repair?
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He's not kidding. I think many people can't tell. It does indeed look pixelated and i'm here in Singapore. I showed my friend and she can't tell, i wish everyone in the world can't tell so we can all just live a big lie but it's pretty obvious there if u compare it with another 720p at 30fps
I'm just surprise that there isn't too many mentioned about it. :laugh: Sad to say, cos of this issue, i haven't been doing any 120fps video cos of the bad quality, a feature i was really excited over nothing. I wish Samsung would fix it though, if they even think it's a problem to begin with.

dehaani said:
The slow-mo record is quite disappointing. :S
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I know! I haven't once use it to take a video that i can upload but i'm thankful for the 60fps FHD. That one works really well

There are three modes for slow-mo.
If you select slow-mo 1/2 videos are recorded at true 720p - 120fps (quality is same as with regular 720p)
If you select 1/4 or 1/8 slo-mo (slower movements) videos are recorded at 240/480 fps and resolution is definitely lower (probably 480p upscaled) and you could clearly see difference in quality as well as pixelation.
Try recording at 1/2!

admir83x said:
There are three modes for slow-mo.
If you select slow-mo 1/2 videos are recorded at true 720p - 120fps (quality is same as with regular 720p)
If you select 1/4 or 1/8 slo-mo (slower movements) videos are recorded at 240/480 fps and resolution is definitely lower (probably 480p upscaled) and you could clearly see difference in quality as well as pixelation.
Try recording at 1/2!
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Tried. Quality looks better but i'm pretty sure that's not 120fps? Cos it's almost the same speed as a normal 30fps. Regardless, i think it's really poor. I hate to say this but iPhone 5S one looks way better even though it's not true 720p. And it can actually vary the speed, which is really nice.
Weird thing is the FHD 60fps look so much better that perhaps they should go for 120fps at FHD

I have the same problem.I would like to record 720p at 1/8.Isn't there any third party app that can help us or does it have something to do with hardware limitations?

neoKushan said:
Thanks, I managed to find the options. There are actually some other options as well, you can set 1/2, 1/4 or 1/8 (default).
I've made two quick recordings of me picking up a pen and dropping it, one in slow-mo (1/8) and one at regular 720p. There's a definite difference in quality, I think.
Rather than upping them to youtube, here are the files straight from the device for a better comparison:
Regular: http://www.multiupload.nl/PFSU1W0H5R
Slow-mo: http://www.multiupload.nl/ZZF0SB3IFG
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many thanks!
watched the slo-mo.
yea, definitely not 720p for 120fps.
5S wins heavily.

Video conversion

Just picked up this phone the other day and I'm trying to find out what the best settings would be to convert video files like movies and shows that would take advantage of the FHD screen. I tried to convert a movie and compared it to the same file that I had converted for my old phone which was the HTC Evo Lte but it seemed darker on the S5 for some reason.

casual167 said:
I'm trying to find out what the best settings would be to convert video files like movies and shows that would take advantage of the FHD screen.
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You are short on details, so we can only guess at your preferences, whether you are a demanding videophile or just want a decent rip, with minimal effort. Whether you convert on a PC or on the S5 and numerous other questions..
Since it's not at all clear what you goals are, I'll just describe what works well for me, with very good, high quality results.
Using Handbrake:
Use the Android preset, which is quite good. This defaults picture size to 720p. I have done a lot of side by side testing and while I would default to 1080p for Blueray rips intended for viewing on a projector, TV or notebook, there is no visible advantage on a 5.1" screen. As well, ripping to high standards at 1080p often exceeds 4 GB, which is problematic on the Android filesystem. Whereas 720p results in a viable 1.5 - 2.5 GB file.
Confirm that large files size is disabled. i.e. choose 32-bit chunks.
On the Video tab, choose frame rate = same as source
Preserve ad hoc subtitles, the ones that the original English movie occasionally puts on screen when someone speaks a few lines of foreign dialog. On the Subtitles tab, choose Forced only.
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Thanks for your response. Yeah sorry, I should've been more specific in what I was trying to do. Since all my videos are currently formatted for 1280x720 on my Evo, I wanted to see if there is a conversion for the 1920x1080 that would look better on this phone. I'll give what you said a try and check it out. When comparing the two side by side, the S5 seemed to be a little darker so I wasn't sure if it was because of the lower resolution of 720. Just wanted to get it to look as crisp on the S5 as the Evo

I wouldn't recommend that kind of conversion. First, what you are thinking of doing is called upconverting.. and it never works well when you start with a lower resolution source. If you started with a highbit rate blueray.. that is one thing. And event then it's arguable if there is any visible advantage to 1080 on a 5.1" screen.
But I'll bet good money that upconverting from your lower resolution rip will noticeably degrade your picture. Yes, it will have more pixels in the end but since they are interpolated pixels from a lower resolution source, you can expect all kinds of undesirable video artifacts to accompany that.
Crisp could refer to several things. I suspect that your S5 is simply revealing inherent quality limitations of your current movie rips that may not have been obvious on your previous phone. The way to get that kind of crispness back on the S5 is to make better quality e.g. higher bit rate, mutipass (HQ) encoding and so forth. Simply upconverting will do the opposite of what you are aiming for because the extra pixels will tend to be blury + add random artifacts from an upconverted source.
Second, the dark picture you refer to is no doubt a minor gamma difference between manufacturers. You could in theory lighten all your movies to make them subjectively brighter on the S5. But again, it will degrade the picture a bit at the same time since the frames need to be modified and transcoded. Trust me that you will soon adjust to a gamma difference between devices after a short amount of time unless the difference is huge.
Most videophiles don't play movies at full brightness anyway as picture quality is better at an intermediate screen brightness. So unless you are viewing in a brightly lit room, you could just increase the S5 screne brightness a little bit to more than compensate for the lower gamma.
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Ok that makes sense. I'm kind of a noob when it comes to this stuff so I appreciate you taking the time to explain it. I kept looking side by side and couldn't figure out why there was such a difference. Colors seemed to pop more on the Evo which I thought was weird but I sort of understand why now. Skin tones and everything just looked like it had less contrast. I spend a lot of time traveling for work so watching things is like 80% of what I do on the phone and getting the right format is important. I was looking at getting the LG G3 so would that mean that it could look worse because of the bigger size and resolution or would it be the about the same?

casual167 said:
I was looking at getting the LG G3 so would that mean that it could look worse because of the bigger size and resolution or would it be the about the same?
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The S5 screen is better than the G3 IMO. But you can decide for yourself.
If you want crisp images or images on the S5.. just encode your movies from high resolution sources e.g. bluerays --> 720, with high quality settings e.g. high bit rate. Converting existing movie rips from 720 --> 1080 though won't give great results.
The apparent lack of crispness or contrast is just the effect of having a more capable screen on the S5. A better screen will be both impressive when you have a high quality movie. And disappointing when playing something lower quality because it is also more revealing of flaws that would be less obvious on a lower resolution screen.
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Sony lied about their screen :)

here are 2 pictures
1 for running the commands on my Z5 compact (broken screen thats why I bought the xz premium)
the other to see if youtube supports the screen.
now the screen only supprted QHD at 640 PPI after trying to run it at 4k
evidently youtube supported 2k resolution on a 720p screen.
so Sony could be yanking us about their "4k" screen when you can clearly see 1080p phones beating it! heck even this z5c on 720p beats it and on 2k its far destructive over the XZ premium!!
talk about 4gb of ram? the z5c has 2!!! try to reset both phones and see the difference in scroll speed in home screen and in app drawer!! z5c is flawless! fully bright as hell supports 2k and it looks alot better.
so maybe thats why we see pixel grids on the xz premium and thats why its not as sharp as other devices (NOTICEABLY LESS SHARP!!! even on "4k" mod pfft as if it has the right to be called a 4k device)
so disappointing... i paid for 4k screen got a virtual 4k... 806 ppi? guess again! its native ppi is 408 even after 4k mod it says DPI 806 but clearly shows PPI (X) 400+ (forgot the exact number) and PPI (Y) 400+.
I know even on 1080p the xz premium supports 4k videos but what proves us that sony actually added lines to the app to support NATIVE 4K and not VIRTUAL?
screen is supposedly supportive of 120hz? lol even on 60hz its not even showing real 60hz the Z5C is far smoother with worse processor and lower ram performs better, worse screen looks a lot sharper, worse camera (in most cases it is but it is sharper though).
So in conclusion, this is not a 4k screen (i could be wrong or missing something) even if it is 4k, to me, i dont even see it comparable to 1080p... Im sorry but lets not let the lies blind fold us..
To add to that sony phones are rootless, they are but whats the point of rooting if youre gonna lose your camera functionality? I say if you root a phone and it becomes worse, to me its automatically rootless
So to finish my post:
SCEW YOU SONY!! THIS MY LAST DEVICE FROM YOU, YOU CHEAP LYING ADVERTISERS MONEY HUNGRY THIEVES!!
Have a good one people

It really is in 4k using the right apps.
Good riddance. Some dude posted a while back that the XZP community is a bit off compared to the other threads. I guess he was right.

Funny how he goes on about ''It's not a 4K screen, it's not, I swear on my life it's not, [email protected]&* you Sony'', then says, "I could be wrong or missing something". Make up your damn mind, either Sony lied to you for sh*ts and giggles because they had nothing better to do or you are just so damn fixated on proving a point that you simply do not even know how to go about proving that point, contradicting yourself about the resolution on top of that.
Grow up!

Mobfigurz said:
Funny how he goes on about ''It's not a 4K screen, it's not, I swear on my life it's not, [email protected]&* you Sony'', then says, "I could be wrong or missing something". Make up your damn mind, either Sony lied to you for sh*ts and giggles because they had nothing better to do or you are just so damn fixated on proving a point that you simply do not even know how to go about proving that point, contradicting yourself about the resolution on top of that.
Grow up!
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I am grown dude i said my opinion i didnt even swear its not i just said concidering the fact that the emulator can make a 720p screen run at 2k how can we make sure that this 4k is really 4k? Native and not virtual... You say using the right apps its really 4k how can u be so sure? I ran youtube vid on 2k on a 720p screen emulated to 2k so how does that prove anything?
Btw im not mad at the developers in here the other poat stated the sick comunity of unthankful people who are accusing them of not doing a good job, im not mad at them im mad at sony. If i was right with you people would you look me in a straight face telling me you really think this 4k screen looks sharper than the z3? (1080p) dont answer before you check, cuz i did, on 4k enabled, compare it to the z3 and it looks less sharp, and the z3 has whiter whites so i paid for this device cuz of how sony advertised its screen being the best since its 4k but it actually isnt as good so maybe youre mad at me for hating but i paid loads for this concidering what in can deliver according to the advertisements of sony but in actuality it doesnt show it...
I said maybe i could be wrong about the screen not being a native 4k, but even if im wrong this doesnt look 4k to me, look me in a straight face and tell me this actually looks 4times sharper than any other 1080p screen. If you cant tell me that dont judge me for being mad cuz i paid for 4 times 1080 screen and all i got is worse sharpness with pixelated grids

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It really is in 4k using the right apps.
Good riddance. Some dude posted a while back that the XZP community is a bit off compared to the other threads. I guess he was right.
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No im not a bit off over the devs they are doing a great job im not hating on any dev nor their work cuz this device is a pain in the behind to root it and use it properly.
Im mad straight at sony.
How can u really prove its really 4k? Even if u do, does this screen look sharper than 1080p screens? For god sake i can see pixel grids i get cuz of the pattern of the pixels but i paid for a. 4k screen and i dont understand how you can actually say its sharper than other 1080 or 2k phones.. It isnt i can show you pics of it going against the z3 and the samsung and the htc and this is supposed to have the best screen of all? Im sorry if im coming out as a pain dissing the device but im saying the truth in my eyes and this doesnt look anything like I expected from a 4k screen to deliver... The worst i expected is for it to not be worse than 1080p phones.. But its even worse so im really disappointed.

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No im not a bit off over the devs they are doing a great job im not hating on any dev nor their work cuz this device is a pain in the behind to root it and use it properly.
Im mad straight at sony.
How can u really prove its really 4k? Even if u do, does this screen look sharper than 1080p screens? For god sake i can see pixel grids i get cuz of the pattern of the pixels but i paid for a. 4k screen and i dont understand how you can actually say its sharper than other 1080 or 2k phones.. It isnt i can show you pics of it going against the z3 and the samsung and the htc and this is supposed to have the best screen of all? Im sorry if im coming out as a pain dissing the device but im saying the truth in my eyes
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So your judgement is derived from 'limited' tests using an emulator and your visual perception, just because the difference is not discernible to your eyes you believe it is a lie, fair enough, that is your opinion after all. But to come to that conclusion again by limited means of testing, that does not stand true against what other people have tested and examined and again, peoples perception differs, whether it is a figment of someone imagination or a actual fact, but people can see the crispness, clarity, sharpness or whatever you words you want to use.
I myself do not game, watch videos, skype or so on with my phone, I use it purely as a phone, a means of communication and the few times I have displayed 4K content, I have been clearly able to see the difference in what I am looking at, but that by using 4K .MKV files from my NAS and 4K images, maybe, just maybe that is because I do not spend more than a few minutes at a time looking at the screen of my phone, and spend less than an hour a day actually using my phone. Who knows.

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So your judgement is derived from 'limited' tests using an emulator and your visual perception, just because the difference is not discernible to your eyes you believe it is a lie, fair enough, that is your opinion after all. But to come to that conclusion again by limited means of testing, that does not stand true against what other people have tested and examined and again, peoples perception differs, whether it is a figment of someone imagination or a actual fact, but people can see the crispness, clarity, sharpness or whatever you words you want to use.
I myself do not game, watch videos, skype or so on with my phone, I use it purely as a phone, a means of communication and the few times I have displayed 4K content, I have been clearly able to see the difference in what I am looking at, but that by using 4K .MKV files from my NAS and 4K images, maybe, just maybe that is because I do not spend more than a few minutes at a time looking at the screen of my phone, and spend less than an hour a day actually using my phone. Who knows.
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well im not just using "an" emulator im using the only way to show the device in 4k all the time. have you seen youtube videos on "how to enable 4k at all times" which means not just apps that support 4k but all the phone. so my point is using this emulator, the device is not naively 4k, proven! I provided pics of z5c running at 2k when its a 720p, im just saying this is not a native 4k method.
my second point is, yes after running this particular method the device does look sharper than it was, but not sharper than other devices. sharpness is not a matter of opinion nor imagination, if it was a color problem i could be color blind yes, but sharpness is not a personal opinion, its a fact. maybe a few tests arent enough but having an old phone as old as the z3 showing crisper images on instagram and almost any other app or picture, with better white balance against this so called premium phone with supposedly 4k screen just doesnt sit tight in my expectations in fact its worse than the worst you can expect...
not just the z3, but the s8, z5 premium, these are devices i have hold of to compare but if these devices have crisper image than this 4k then you tell me sony didnt lie to us...
and I also have a samsung s5 phone and i went to youtube, got into "4k wild animals" video put on my xz premium 4k settings, and 1080 on the s5 and the s5 looks just as sharp and on some edges even sharper.
does this make sense to you? maybe youre not believing me because there are no display comparisons for this device against others, except the s8, which evidently the s8 has a sharper display (the XZ premium is stated as more realistic but less sharper) so people cant really tell a difference and id be happy to post pictures of comparison.
PS: just a thing to think about for you, do you really think I would go through this much trouble and time trying to prove the device is actually 4k, if the device was as pleasing as I expected? why would I bother? a 4k screen would make you go "GOD DAMN THIS SCREEN IS AWESOMEEEE!" and not "HMM seems fishy I think I should check that out". just saying you should think about that.

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well im not just using "an" emulator im using the only way to show the device in 4k all the time. have you seen youtube videos on "how to enable 4k at all times" which means not just apps that support 4k but all the phone. so my point is using this emulator, the device is not naively 4k, proven! I provided pics of z5c running at 2k when its a 720p, im just saying this is not a native 4k method.
my second point is, yes after running this particular method the device does look sharper than it was, but not sharper than other devices. sharpness is not a matter of opinion nor imagination, if it was a color problem i could be color blind yes, but sharpness is not a personal opinion, its a fact. maybe a few tests arent enough but having an old phone as old as the z3 showing crisper images on instagram and almost any other app or picture, with better white balance against this so called premium phone with supposedly 4k screen just doesnt sit tight in my expectations in fact its worse than the worst you can expect...
not just the z3, but the s8, z5 premium, these are devices i have hold of to compare but if these devices have crisper image than this 4k then you tell me sony didnt lie to us...
and I also have a samsung s5 phone and i went to youtube, got into "4k wild animals" video put on my xz premium 4k settings, and 1080 on the s5 and the s5 looks just as sharp and on some edges even sharper.
does this make sense to you? maybe youre not believing me because there are no display comparisons for this device against others, except the s8, which evidently the s8 has a sharper display (the XZ premium is stated as more realistic but less sharper) so people cant really tell a difference and id be happy to post pictures of comparison.
PS: just a thing to think about for you, do you really think I would go through this much trouble and time trying to prove the device is actually 4k, if the device was as pleasing as I expected? why would I bother? a 4k screen would make you go "GOD DAMN THIS SCREEN IS AWESOMEEEE!" and not "HMM seems fishy I think I should check that out". just saying you should think about that.
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I think you may have missed something, the phone is not running 4K full time and if you looked into it before purchase as most 'enthusiasts' do, you would research a device before taking the plunge and splashing out large amounts of money. I purchased my XZP a month or so after launch, after having read many reviews and visited this section of XDA as I had the Z5P before this and I was aware, even from the Z5P that 4K was an 'on-demand' feature only utilised by certain applications. So there is that, but also on your point of clarity, I cannot say whether you are right or wrong in comparison to other devices as I solely use the one phone and only have the need for one phone so there would be no need for me to 'check' against other phones as it does not matter to me how other devices perform, I own a XZP.
I do understand what you are getting at though, the problem is, you have placed far too much emphasis on how other devices perform and to be frank, there are not a large number of people who are in the same boat as you, you may find some feel the same way but look at the majority of users on XDA of the XZP, they have no complaints and even the Devs who I assume are far more knowledgeable than both of us are fine with the XZP.

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I think you may have missed something, the phone is not running 4K full time and if you looked into it before purchase as most 'enthusiasts' do, you would research a device before taking the plunge and splashing out large amounts of money. I purchased my XZP a month or so after launch, after having read many reviews and visited this section of XDA as I had the Z5P before this and I was aware, even from the Z5P that 4K was an 'on-demand' feature only utilised by certain applications. So there is that, but also on your point of clarity, I cannot say whether you are right or wrong in comparison to other devices as I solely use the one phone and only have the need for one phone so there would be no need for me to 'check' against other phones as it does not matter to me how other devices perform, I own a XZP.
I do understand what you are getting at though, the problem is, you have placed far too much emphasis on how other devices perform and to be frank, there are not a large number of people who are in the same boat as you, you may find some feel the same way but look at the majority of users on XDA of the XZP, they have no complaints and even the Devs who I assume are far more knowledgeable than both of us are fine with the XZP.
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well that is true although i did spend quite a lot of time researching the phone not one reviewer said that it doesnt run 4k all the time. i didnt own a z5 so i didnt know, after a while some reviewers stated the fact that it doesnt run at all times, even so mate im not hating nor mad at any one except sony you know why? cuz a lot of customers went on to sony support center asking for enabling 4k at all time, you know what sony suggested? using that emulator I talked about earlier, it was ok at first but i have a sharp eye to notice things, and I did notice that the screen is still not as sharp, so then I tried running the emulator on my 720p screen z5c and it ran at 2k... then I was surprised and disappointed that sony them selves would answer the question of "how to enable 4k at all times" with a virtual emulator rather than to allow enjoy *native* 4k.
thats one point made, second point is maybe im too into my device than any one else, to the point where I go digging on it and comparing it its because its a newer generation.
Im paying for a new phone, if im getting just as good as previews owns then why buy? cuz technology is developing, sony said its 4k, but they tell us to virtually emulate it to use it all the time at 4k, lying to our faces? it worked on the z5c so how is that native? how does that make our device special? I could have sticked to my old phone had my screen fixed for a lil money if im getting 2k at a 4.7" screen is even better than 4k on 5.5" so why sony advertisers are so hype "oh look 4k, WOW damn sony is good JEEZ 4k screen on a smartphone thats some thing else right there thats new thats TECHNOLOGY right there" when its just a software emulating pixels, again, even if the screen is proven 4K, the method sony has provided us to run it at 4k at all times isnt really 4k and they say it is, who knows what else they are lying about keep digging and ill find more trust me.
"only look at your plate, stay out of others plates" that is true, but in this case, the plate company has gave me a reason to buy their plate so I would enjoy what the plate has to offer, once I got the plate, it isnt what I wanted, so I ordered a 4k phone, it didnt look like one, sure to some people it is a great display i think so too, it is VERY good, crisp and is very realistic and natural, but some people and not only me, you can see in a lot of threads that there are a lot of pissed off mislead people because the hype of this phone is 4K HDR.
sadly if its better than other 1080p phones, it looks the same some times worse, in some cases better but not in terms of sharpness. the more pixels you have the more detailed the display, ive seen more details on other screens.
im stuck with the device i aint selling its pretty good overall im not complaining about the device, but I am mad at sony for pissing me off it is a great device, but my expectations were a lot higher, very disappointing by sony...
thats just the screen, it pisses me off even more knowing that most phone companies use SONY cameras and sony cant even compete with them in terms of photo quality, just shows how low lives money hungry they are... very manipulative and dont care about their customers. telling me to virtually run 4k is actually NATIVE when it clearly can run a 720p phone in 2k!

There are other ways to enable 4K or even 2K on the phone via ADB I believe, take a look around the forum and you might find a better way to run it rather than the emulator.
I have never looked into it myself because I am satisfied with the phone and do not want 4K to be always on and drain my battery. Also, that is another consideration Sony factored in, as on the Z5P and the XZP, 4K and battery life need to coexist, and though the screen is of course a major feature as advertised, they have to find a balance as not all consumers are like us XDA users, most people do not root their phones and mess with them like we do. You have to remember that also, we would love certain features but we need a balance, the XZP could have been even bigger and heavier if they had constant 4K and a larger capacity battery to support it and provide enough juice to last 2 days, you have to remember that battery charge times, in-call and standby times are also major factors, people do buy because of battery life expectations, having to charge less, having greater freedom of usage and not having to worry about charging every hour.

Yah i guess youre right.
The adb is the emulator im talking about.
Yah the phone i awesome after all, even on youtube on 4k i thought it would be more crisp, it is pretty crisp and sharp but i expected more on 4k display thats what dissapointed me cuz my s5 in youtube on 1080p is sharper than ny xz premiun on 4k in the same video so it kind of bugs me..
Overall the quality of the display and colors produce a more natural display but when it comes to sharpness i expected better.

madshark2009 said:
Yah i guess youre right.
The adb is the emulator im talking about.
Yah the phone i awesome after all, even on youtube on 4k i thought it would be more crisp, it is pretty crisp and sharp but i expected more on 4k display thats what dissapointed me cuz my s5 in youtube on 1080p is sharper than ny xz premiun on 4k in the same video so it kind of bugs me..
Overall the quality of the display and colors produce a more natural display but when it comes to sharpness i expected better.
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I completely understand where you are coming from, you built up your expectations from the way Sony advertised the device, the main selling features but it fell short of your expectations, unfortunately, that can happen a lot and there is little we can do about it, I believe the majority of users feel that way about at least one thing on the XZP and that seems to revolve around the Camera itself and how the quality of images is inferior to other manufacturers using the same Sony camera.
Maybe you can go to a store and compare other Sony devices against your expectations for your next purchase, maybe you can save yourself some money and find a 'cheaper' device that meets your expectations because we know how expensive the XZP was and who knows if the next 'Premium' device will be any better.

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I completely understand where you are coming from, you built up your expectations from the way Sony advertised the device, the main selling features but it fell short of your expectations, unfortunately, that can happen a lot and there is little we can do about it, I believe the majority of users feel that way about at least one thing on the XZP and that seems to revolve around the Camera itself and how the quality of images is inferior to other manufacturers using the same Sony camera.
Maybe you can go to a store and compare other Sony devices against your expectations for your next purchase, maybe you can save yourself some money and find a 'cheaper' device that meets your expectations because we know how expensive the XZP was and who knows if the next 'Premium' device will be any better.
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yah Im from Israel, we almost dont have any store that shows you the device before purchasing, you just go to the store and ask for what you want to buy and you cant open any thing before purchase...
so I cant really compare and sony isnt famous in israel when it comes to phones so its hard to find some one who has sony to compare with so I rely on the internet.
I actually checked some youtube videos on speed test against some flagship devices from other manufacturers and I noticed that the xzp does have a crisp screen (could be the camera not catching the best angle for the displays) so in my conclusion all the manufactures are using QHD and UHD displays but their previous devices that has 1080p have crisper displays,either that or before they used over-saturated amoled displays that made the screen look sharper but now are using more natural image producing displays less saturated which caused our eye to believe its less sharp, I dont really understand, still I expected better.
yes camera is inferior due to lack of OIS but in videos in the morning it does perform better than all in my opinion, still hold the device in a tripod it will perform just as good even at night...
Yet Sony is the main camera provider for most of the other manufactures and yet sony devices have lower quality than all, just doesnt make any sense, here I ask my self this question:
Is sony doing this because they get more money from other manufactures buying their camera than costumers buying their phones? maybe they have a contract on which sony is not allowed to produce better images than its competitors otherwise they would stop buying cameras from them? - I actually read that some where...

@madshark2009 Just download AIDA64 from play store.. it reads the hardware spec of the display panel. it clear says the screen resolution is 2160*3840. i guess this answer your question. FYI - this is shown as this while you are running the phone even at stock 1080p mode. so calm down mate XD

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@madshark2009 Just download AIDA64 from play store.. it reads the hardware spec of the display panel. it clear says the screen resolution is 2160*3840. i guess this answer your question. FYI - this is shown as this while you are running the phone even at stock 1080p mode. so calm down mate XD
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Yah bro im calm i do believe its a 4k display.
But:
Its only used in a couple of apps.
And no, adb commands dont turn it to NATIVE 4K.
So yayyyy native 4k is only enabled in 3 apps.
Thats ok to you? They didnt even include an option for us!
Sony stricted using 4k at all times! Heck the display is even a 120hz display and its not even enabled! Aosp reads the screen as 120hz but no one knows how to activate it!
So yah we have 4k display but only used in 2-3 apps and not even in the UI! So yah to me they lied cuz i paid for 4k, not for "sometimes 4k" so really samsung has 2k but at least you can use google chrome in native 2k or instagram or the UI or any thing! Now thats some real 2k! And they add an option to lower!
So why sony stricting us? To me i concider their work not the best in these terms.
And btw read the comments before posting

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Yah bro im calm i do believe its a 4k display.
But:
Its only used in a couple of apps.
And no, adb commands dont turn it to NATIVE 4K.
So yayyyy native 4k is only enabled in 3 apps.
Thats ok to you? They didnt even include an option for us!
Sony stricted using 4k at all times! Heck the display is even a 120hz display and its not even enabled! Aosp reads the screen as 120hz but no one knows how to activate it!
So yah we have 4k display but only used in 2-3 apps and not even in the UI! So yah to me they lied cuz i paid for 4k, not for "sometimes 4k" so really samsung has 2k but at least you can use google chrome in native 2k or instagram or the UI or any thing! Now thats some real 2k! And they add an option to lower!
So why sony stricting us? To me i concider their work not the best in these terms.
And btw read the comments before posting
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now that i do agree with you my man.. but then again we have to think of it in multiple ways.. im pretty sure sony was scared of general performance issues and people will nag about it. all and all one pro member here pointed me out that there is a oreo asop rom which utilizes the panel and render the entire ui and apps in 4k ( its a dynamic resolution changer embedded with the kernal) . you should try that
i got my phone like a week ago... will run stock for a week or two more and will start taking the virginity away to try this.

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now that i do agree with you my man.. but then again we have to think of it in multiple ways.. im pretty sure sony was scared of general performance issues and people will nag about it. all and all one pro member here pointed me out that there is a oreo asop rom which utilizes the panel and render the entire ui and apps in 4k ( its a dynamic resolution changer embedded with the kernal) . you should try that
i got my phone like a week ago... will run stock for a week or two more and will start taking the virginity away to try this.
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yah but its still not functional as i read it needs more modification.
and true, it could make performance drop dramatically, but they should add that in options like a switch, and when you enable 4k, a message should appear and say "you may notice stutters and a drop in performance, please do not use for high graphics games to enjoy overall performance" or some thing like that, that way the customer can choose whether to give up on performance for graphics or give up on graphics for performance, I mean its really not that laggy when just surfing the device, and then you can just switch to 1080 when you game, I dont know why they wouldnt do that...
Im waiting for @Miustone he has a good project coming up and ill see the feedback on battery, camera, display and if its worth it then ima give up my warranty.

madshark2009 said:
Yah bro im calm i do believe its a 4k display.
But:
Its only used in a couple of apps.
And no, adb commands dont turn it to NATIVE 4K.
So yayyyy native 4k is only enabled in 3 apps.
Thats ok to you? They didnt even include an option for us!
Sony stricted using 4k at all times! Heck the display is even a 120hz display and its not even enabled! Aosp reads the screen as 120hz but no one knows how to activate it!
So yah we have 4k display but only used in 2-3 apps and not even in the UI! So yah to me they lied cuz i paid for 4k, not for "sometimes 4k" so really samsung has 2k but at least you can use google chrome in native 2k or instagram or the UI or any thing! Now thats some real 2k! And they add an option to lower!
So why sony stricting us? To me i concider their work not the best in these terms.
And btw read the comments before posting
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Thats great.. please do notify me when the project is done .. i want to be one of the first to test it as well.. cheers mate
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yah but its still not functional as i read it needs more modification.
and true, it could make performance drop dramatically, but they should add that in options like a switch, and when you enable 4k, a message should appear and say "you may notice stutters and a drop in performance, please do not use for high graphics games to enjoy overall performance" or some thing like that, that way the customer can choose whether to give up on performance for graphics or give up on graphics for performance, I mean its really not that laggy when just surfing the device, and then you can just switch to 1080 when you game, I dont know why they wouldnt do that...
Im waiting for @Miustone he has a good project coming up and ill see the feedback on battery, camera, display and if its worth it then ima give up my warranty.
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Pretty much all reviewers that are even somewhat relevant on Youtube outlined that the UI and most of the apps aren't really rendered in 4K.
I was aware of this information when the phone wasn't even released yet, some reviewers got their review samples early, and they noticed that right away, they probably got that info in the reviewer's guide Sony gives them as well, so I cannot imagine how you managed to avoid this very important piece of spec, if you've done the research before purchase, as you said. I haven't seen an XZP review that didn't mention that. If there is one, it's a bad one.
I don't know about you guys, but I don't even consider buying the latest model in the first four to six months of the release, until the dust settles and user reviews come out. I'm not paying that kind of money to be an early adopter. Also, in six months, the prices go down a lot, specially with Sony.
So, my somewhat-informed opinion is that no, Sony did not lie about the screen. Sure, it wasn't specified in the spec-sheet, but still, it was a well documented "feature" upon the release.
And the fact that it's a 120Hz panel, means nothing and doesn't necessarily mean you can run it at actual 120Hz. You might, but it's not a guarantee. Its' just the panel.
I bet you plenty of premium phones out there have panels that are capable of 120Hz, or even more, but to actually enable that and make it work as it's supposed to is not that simple and I'm sure if Sony could pull that off, they would. Because bigger numbers in spec sheets sell phones, bigger numbers are better. Always. Specially in spec sheets.
I know for a fact that my desktop monitor's panel is capable of 100HZ at least, 'cause I have the same panel in my other monitor that runs at 120Hz. But everything else apart from the panel is very very different in those two monitors. Panel alone doesn't make a screen/monitor.

Atrax2010 said:
Pretty much all reviewers that are even somewhat relevant on Youtube outlined that the UI and most of the apps aren't really rendered in 4K.
I was aware of this information when the phone wasn't even released yet, some reviewers got their review samples early, and they noticed that right away, they probably got that info in the reviewer's guide Sony gives them as well, so I cannot imagine how you managed to avoid this very important piece of spec, if you've done the research before purchase, as you said. I haven't seen an XZP review that didn't mention that. If there is one, it's a bad one.
I don't know about you guys, but I don't even consider buying the latest model in the first four to six months of the release, until the dust settles and user reviews come out. I'm not paying that kind of money to be an early adopter. Also, in six months, the prices go down a lot, specially with Sony.
So, my somewhat-informed opinion is that no, Sony did not lie about the screen. Sure, it wasn't specified in the spec-sheet, but still, it was a well documented "feature" upon the release.
And the fact that it's a 120Hz panel, means nothing and doesn't necessarily mean you can run it at actual 120Hz. You might, but it's not a guarantee. Its' just the panel.
I bet you plenty of premium phones out there have panels that are capable of 120Hz, or even more, but to actually enable that and make it work as it's supposed to is not that simple and I'm sure if Sony could pull that off, they would. Because bigger numbers in spec sheets sell phones, bigger numbers are better. Always. Specially in spec sheets.
I know for a fact that my desktop monitor's panel is capable of 100HZ at least, 'cause I have the same panel in my other monitor that runs at 120Hz. But everything else apart from the panel is very very different in those two monitors. Panel alone doesn't make a screen/monitor.
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yes i have done my research, but only after a long period was it discovered that the ADB commands only run it in 4k VIRTUALLY which I didnt think it would be that way (and a lot of others still dont even know what virtual is)
i thought it was native, some thing that makes our device more special than others.
ive seen lots of reviews where they claim this mod is actually 4k because SONY said so, but its not native, so its a lie.
ask in sony forums how to enable 4k at all times, they give you this method and its not even native and they are telling customers its real 4k. you tell me thats not a lie?
I dont care how virtual 4k looks like, I could have bought the samsung having native 2k. I could have bought the HTC or the iphone, I could have even stayed on my previous phone and used the commands and run it at 2k/4k, whats the point of paying extra if you only get native support of 4k for a couple of apps? I actually thought only the XZ premium is 4k so when I had my z5 compact with a broken screen I was like "hey why spend much money on fixing? looks like the new phones are all coming 2k/4k why stick to 720p??" so i bought the xz premium cuz I felt like im oldschool I wanted an upgrade, but if i knew this method works on my z5c I wouldnt have thought of buying a new phone I could have just paid 50$ and got it fixed.

Clarity/resolution

The LG V60 ThinQ has a crazy crisp display. Just kidding, this is automated text so who knows if this screen is any good. So, you be the judge! A higher rating indicates that it's extremely sharp and clear, and that you cannot see pixels with your naked eye.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Very clear. The resolution is lower than my V30, I think, but it's not noticeable to me.

I honestly don't notice the lower resolution and because of that always had my previous phones set to 1080p to save battery.
Auto brightness has been a problem though, in low light the screen throttles back to 1% far too aggressively and 1% is too dim even in a pitch black room.
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The larger screen size and lower resolution combine for a noticeably lower DPI count, but I happen to think that higher (than 1080p) resolutions on (relatively) smaller phone displays are mostly a waste of battery life.
YMMV, but in my experience, there comes a point where the human eye can only resolve so much and the bump in the resolution of small screen displays just becomes overkill. I'll take battery life over resolution and even refresh rate any day, though I imagine higher resolution displays with higher refresh rates will only become more efficient over time, and I'll likely change my tune eventually.
I went from the V30+ to the V60 at the beginning of this month, and I feel like the new phone is a substantial upgrade over the older one in just about all categories that matter. And that's even considering that the former was rooted and the latter can't be!
The display is crisp enough, though clearly not cutting edge. Colors look at least as good as those of the V30. Viewing angles are fantastic without any noticeable (to me) color shift. It's probably the best we could have expected knowing that the display is relatively modest compared to this phone's 20202 (and some 2019) peers. And if you're fine with that, this shouldn't stop you from considering the phone. If, however, you DO want higher resolutions and higher refresh rates, you already know this phone's not for you and that you've got multiple options.

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Viewing angles are fantastic without any noticeable (to me) color shift.
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I'm seeing very drastic color shift when viewing at about 45°, more noticeable on white screens. It's a greenish yellowish shift.
Otherwise I agree with the rest of your post. 1080p is plenty resolution and I'm fine with 60Hz refresh.

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I'm seeing very drastic color shift when viewing at about 45°, more noticeable on white screens. It's a greenish yellowish shift.
Otherwise I agree with the rest of your post. 1080p is plenty resolution and I'm fine with 60Hz refresh.
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Are there display variances across production runs, or something? Because I can't seem to reproduce this fault.
I'm not TERRIBLY sensitive to such things, but from what you say, it sounds like it should be blatantly obvious to the eyes.
And I don't suffer from any kind of color blindness that could possibly impact me.

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Are there display variances across production runs, or something? Because I can't seem to reproduce this fault.
I'm not TERRIBLY sensitive to such things, but from what you say, it sounds like it should be blatantly obvious to the eyes.
And I don't suffer from any kind of color blindness that could possibly impact me.
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I haven't seen anyone else complain of this, so not site if it's an issue with mine specifically or what. Here's a short video I made that hopefully demonstrates the color shift.
https://youtu.be/naGHasaIjp0

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I haven't seen anyone else complain of this, so not site if it's an issue with mine specifically or what. Here's a short video I made that hopefully demonstrates the color shift.
https://youtu.be/naGHasaIjp0
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Huh. How did you get a plain white background to show up like that? (I suppose I can Google one up).
I'd like to test my phone out and see if I can get similar results.
It's a little hard to see in a YT video, but I definitely noticed SOME shift on your screen that I don't think I've ever seen on mine.
I imagine the effect is even more noticeable in real life, with the phone right in front of you.

Mejilan said:
Huh. How did you get a plain white background to show up like that? (I suppose I can Google one up).
I'd like to test my phone out and see if I can get similar results.
It's a little hard to see in a YT video, but I definitely noticed SOME shift on your screen that I don't think I've ever seen on mine.
I imagine the effect is even more noticeable in real life, with the phone right in front of you.
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I use this app.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.iudesk.android.photo.editor
It's a photo editing app, but you can start a new image from scratch and select a background color. I set it to pure white, then zoomed in on it to fill the screen. It's definitely easier to see in person. I tried using by wife's Note 9 for the video, but I couldn't select a better refresh rate on it to prevent the banding.

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I use this app.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.iudesk.android.photo.editor
It's a photo editing app, but you can start a new image from scratch and select a background color. I set it to pure white, then zoomed in on it to fill the screen. It's definitely easier to see in person. I tried using by wife's Note 9 for the video, but I couldn't select a better refresh rate on it to prevent the banding.
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I tried it out, and while I did notice a dimming or darkening of the white background at extreme tilts, I figure that's normal.
Doesn't quite look like what your YT video shows, but I'm not sure if that's down to the difference between watching a YT video of something and watching it yourself directly.

I've had the V30 and now this and I'm as happy with the screen on this one as I was with the V30. I couldn't care about the refresh rate. It's not like I'm watching a 60" screen. Overall it's a very good screen.

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I'm seeing very drastic color shift when viewing at about 45°, more noticeable on white screens. It's a greenish yellowish shift.
Otherwise I agree with the rest of your post. 1080p is plenty resolution and I'm fine with 60Hz refresh.
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I pissed that it's 1080P, however, people who say a 90+ refresh rate is noticeable is just experiencing placebo.
The human eye will never notice that.
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BROKEN1981 said:
I pissed that it's 1080P, however, people who say a 90+ refresh rate is noticeable is just experiencing placebo.
The human eye will never notice that.
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I've had higher resolution screens, and I can tell no difference between them and 1080p. Even 720p is hard to notice a difference.
When it comes to refresh rates, most people see a noticeable difference between 60Hz and 90Hz. My last phone was selectable between those two and 120Hz, and I couldn't tell a difference between 90Hz and 120Hz.

I can see the difference in resolution between the V30 and V60, it's just that 1080p on a phone doesn't bother me.
It falls in my "good enough" range. These aren't 55+ inch television displays, after all.
I also can definitely see the difference between a 60 Hz refresh rate vs a 90 Hz or 120 Hz refresh display.

my problem is with notifications in the top pull down... its virtually useless in landscape mode...