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Banding

Banding, otherwise known as contouring, is a digital artifact common to images, displays or apps of 16bit(thousands of colours) or less.
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Viewing the 24bit image in the above link will not show banding on a 24bit display(3 x 8bit channels of R, G & B millions of colours) if viewed in a 24bit app.
If 32 distinct bands are seen, possibly with every 1/3 band being a green shade, then the screen or the image viewing application is not 24bit capable.
Viewing 16bit or lower resolution gradient images on your screen will also show banding.
The Android browser shows banding with this image while the Dolphin HD browser does not.
In short, the SGNote has a 24bit display, which will show banding if viewing 16bit or lower images or using a 16bit or lower viewing application.
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Im noticing lots of banding in lots of different apps :-/

Same here, also happens with Google apps like the Market. Not sure what we can do about it anybody has suggestions?

Bigmille said:
Same here, also happens with Google apps like the Market. Not sure what we can do about it anybody has suggestions?
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At least it is not the Note's display hardware that is the issue.
ICS may upgrade some Android OS apps to 24bit.

Thank You for this
This proves that Apps that display banding simply aren't rendering at 24bit.
I was leaning towards there being an issue with the screen as this problem was not noticeable on my previous android devices.
This clarifies everything.
Thanks.

qazzi76 said:
This proves that Apps that display banding simply aren't rendering at 24bit.
I was leaning towards there being an issue with the screen as this problem was not noticeable on my previous android devices.
This clarifies everything.
Thanks.
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You are welcome.
It bugged me too, until I got to the bottom of it.
Trust your eyes, the screen is glorious.

I too don't believe the hardware to be the issue. I suspect it's more to do with having a device with a smallish screen and a large 1280x800 resolution. Higher res images and videos look amazing. If the image is quite compressed (i.e. lossy) then the higher resolution screen will show this more than a low resolution screen. Garbage in, garbage out comes to mind. We need all apps and videos and images to be high resolution 24bit minimum to make the most of our amazing screen .

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I too don't believe the hardware to be the issue. I suspect it's more to do with having a device with a smallish screen and a large 1280x800 resolution. Higher res images and videos look amazing. If the image is quite compressed (i.e. lossy) then the higher resolution screen will show this more than a low resolution screen. Garbage in, garbage out comes to mind. We need all apps and videos and images to be high resolution 24bit minimum to make the most of our amazing screen .
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Excellent. I will put it in a drawer for a year or so then. Hopefully by then there will be some video I can watch.

seepage said:
Excellent. I will put it in a drawer for a year or so then. Hopefully by then there will be some video I can watch.
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ha ha . Listen, think of it like this. You've probably got a high resolution monitor attached to your computer. Do you prefer watching videos at 420p and lower or 720p and higher? No doubt the answer is higher resolution to match your monitor.
What Samsung has done is squeeze in a screen with similar resolution to a 13" laptop, but in a 5.3" mobile device! So we're going to come across lots of images and videos aimed at 'normal' mobile devices, which won't look so great on our high-res screen. To make the most of the screen you can copy 720p or 1080p high profile videos to your sdcard, and they will look incredible on playback, but they will also be large and it's a slow process, and if the video is long then it'll also hit the limitation with FAT max file sizes. Those issues aren't the fault of the screen though. It's simple really. If you want to make the most of the screen density then you have to provide it with good quality source material suitable for a high resolution screen.

Do you think that its just software? No hardware? Do you think that ICS will fix this?
I came from dell streak and its realy hard to watch on note specialy on dark scene.
even opening xda app it has banding problems

rockysiccion said:
Do you think that its just software? No hardware? Do you think that ICS will fix this?
I came from dell streak and its realy hard to watch on note specialy on dark scene.
even opening xda app it has banding problems
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It's definitely not a hardware issue because the screen is definitely 24bit colour. It displays well in the right app. You could swap apps for those that handle higher bit images. If you use Dolphin HD, possibly other browsers, webpages are seen in 24bit, if they are 24bit images. I don't know but there must be alternative picture viewing apps. Dice Player is a high res video viewer. As for system graphics, they don't look so bad to me. For games etc, it means living with banding until the maker upgrades? This is always the case on computers.
Be thankful Samsung have not rorted us.
Apple has ripped off it's customers many times selling lo-res screens as high res:
"Apple has received a new class action complaint alleging the MacBook
does not support millions of colors, but rather 16 bit color, which is
dithered to approximate millions of colors."
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:37:17 -0500

I don't have a Note yet, but can somebody try with QuickPic, it has an option in it's settings to force decode in 32bit mode.
That could clarify if it is a software or hardware problem...

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ha ha . Listen, think of it like this. You've probably got a high resolution monitor attached to your computer. Do you prefer watching videos at 420p and lower or 720p and higher? No doubt the answer is higher resolution to match your monitor.
What Samsung has done is squeeze in a screen with similar resolution to a 13" laptop, but in a 5.3" mobile device! So we're going to come across lots of images and videos aimed at 'normal' mobile devices, which won't look so great on our high-res screen. To make the most of the screen you can copy 720p or 1080p high profile videos to your sdcard, and they will look incredible on playback, but they will also be large and it's a slow process, and if the video is long then it'll also hit the limitation with FAT max file sizes. Those issues aren't the fault of the screen though. It's simple really. If you want to make the most of the screen density then you have to provide it with good quality source material suitable for a high resolution screen.
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The video and photographs shot with the phone's own camera have the same problems as other video and pictures. Surely they should display OK.

Some Android apps only render in 16bit
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The video and photographs shot with the phone's own camera have the same problems as other video and pictures. Surely they should display OK.
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The phone has a 24bit 16 million colour display.
Some apps, including the picture viewing gallery app do not display 24bit colour in the 24bit quality they were made. See here

Thanks, Xaddict, this all makes sense regarding 24- versus 16-bit rendering.
Still, shouldn't intelligent/adaptive codecs be able to bridge the chasm by re-rendering 16-bit source material into some sort of "interleaved" or "inferred" gradual gradation or gradient... a codec to "smooth" the blend, if you will.
It's a codec issue, isn't it?
I wonder if Samsung or ICS will solve this first, if ever...

It feels like the Note has the same display like the first Desire (Amoled) that I've owned.

Its been said that this is a software problem, I've never seen this fixed with a 3rd party custom ROM since the Galaxy S1 days. Even 'x' ROM still shows color banding.

Found a solution for the wallpaper. Install MultiPicture live wallpaper (free from market) Go into it's settings and select "Color depth", then select "True color (24-bit). If the image you selected and used is 24bit, there will be no banding in your wallpaper. Hope this helped, cheers

Depending on the wallpaper you'ed still see massive banding.

EarlZ said:
Depending on the wallpaper you'ed still see massive banding.
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It's not a software problem.
If anything, it's a low quality image being viewed on a 24bit screen problem.

[Q] Poor Video Quality?

I just received my Google Nexus 10 yesterday. After reading all the great reviews about the video quality I must admit I was shocked how poor it was. Don't get me wrong, it isn't awful by any stretch. The detail is certainly there and there is so much detail it might actually be detriment to the product because I can pick up compression artifacts and pixelization I didn't even know was there on some of my videos. However, this really leads in to what I think the source of the problem is on this device, that is, the black level. The first video I took a look at was Ice Age since it came with the N10. If black level is off on animations they can look washed out and it certainly did in this case. My projector on a 100" screen could actually reflect a better image in my opinion. Moving over to other videos like a 1080p MKV of Battleship displayed some improvement, but the poor black levels were still there. Oh, and I should mention this was with using MX Player.
So, are others seeing something similar? Again, I'm not trying to really downplay the image entirely because the detail is certainly there, but again, I'm disappointed by the black level. Is there possibly a way to adjust it that I'm not aware of? All I can seemingly find is Brightness and that doesn't do enough. Perhaps a gamma control would help? Any guidance from others is appreciated.

U get ice age free with N10?
Sent from my Nexus 10 using XDA Premium HD app

verusevo said:
U get ice age free with N10?
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Yes.

2 posts? Troll?

Techie2012 said:
2 posts? Troll?
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Thanks for the welcome. Did people say the same about you when you had 2 posts? Trust me, your accusation is utterly ridiculous. This is simply my first Android device and this was my initial impression. I hoped that there might be some kind of workaround or fix so I simply did a Google search for a Nexus 10 forum and wound up here. As I allued to in my initial post there are plenty of things I like about the device and black level might not be a deal killer, but if there was a way to resolve it, why not pursue it?

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Only 245 posts and a member since February of this year? You must clearly have very little to contribute anywhere since you don't have at least a 1k post count or year+ membership (sarcasm btw; post count and join dates means absolutely nothing in determining a person's status lol)
I believe a few others have mentioned black levels not being optimal on the N10. I myself don't really see it as a problem, but then again I rarely watch videos. I believe Contrast itself might be a better option to modify over Brightness, but I'm pretty sure Contrast isn't adjustable currently.
Possibly when Kernel development matures enough, we may be able to modify screen settings, but I don't think we're there quite yet. Maybe some video players might have an option for adjustments?

Those frequenting here have varying social skills. Be tolerant.
Suggest posting some pics of screen's black level, alongside another device used as a baseline. A thousand words and all that.
Also suggest searching Play store for "display settings" and try out the various widget/apps available.

That's seriously put me off buying this tablet now.
A poor black level can ruin video quality. I know this because my laptops black level is shocking bad, picture below.
Now I might either get a Note 10.1 or wait for something with a high res screen and a good black level.

Haha you guys are funny.
Anyway back to the original question, this device has a LCD screen, and like most LCD TVs, the black is not as black as you'd like or you would see on a PlasmaTV or Amoled screen.
If black levels are highly important to you, i'm sorry to say you bought the wrong device.

Ok, so I took a previous poster's advice and got a hold of an iPad3 with Retina Display and compared it against the N10. The difference was not as significant as I thought it might be. Ultimately, I didn't think either producing razor sharp images with inky blacks and that is because they don't my own HDTV's (LED) in my home along with my home theater projector crush both devices. Why? Well, first, I wasn't aware that the contrast ratio was so poor on all the tablet devices. Most of my other products have something like a 50,000:1 contrast ratio whereas the tablets are around 1000:1, a very big difference. Also, I'm accustomed to watching BluRays on those displays. BluRay quality just doesn't seem to exist on these tablets right now. So was I expecting too much from the N10? Yes.
Spending some time with both devices side-by-side allowed me to sort of critique both on my own terms and decide which one I like best. I'm probably an atypical user so my opinions here are my own and I don't expect others to find the same items valuable.
1. Display - the iPad wins here, but not by as much as I might have thought. Whites are more warm and not as bright on the N10 when compared to the iPad. Blacks are also better on the iPad, but I expected it to be a dramatic difference. It wasn't. I've included some images to this post that will help you see the difference a bit more. There are some images where the difference looks very pronounced, but that is the digital camera really exposing the faults of the N10 and making them appear more significant. I wouldn't say that is the case in reality. Also, something you'll notice from the images is the light leak. It is there on the N10, but not on the iPad. Too bad Samsung couldn't have done a better job here. It would have made it appear as a more quality product.
2. Form Factor - I find the form factor of the iPad better than the N10. I like to use portrait mode more often than most I think and the iPad gives you more space to work from horizontally when doing so. This makes web browsing much easier and I actually feel more cramped using the N10 to browse via landscape. I would MUCH prefer the N10 to have the iPad's shape.
3. Weight - I would have never thought 50 grams or whatever it is would make a difference, but to me it does and the N10 is a clear winner here. After handling both devices for some time I simply enjoyed holding the N10 more. The lightness made for a more enjoyable experience.
4. Rubber Backing - When I saw on this on the N10 I thought it was sort of a gimmick, but I really like it. Again, it just seems to feel more comfortable holding it.
5. Heat - I have no idea why, but the back of the iPad got pretty hot while using it. The N10 had some slight warmth, but ever since I've used it it has stayed relatively cool.
6. Speakers - The N10 really crushes the iPad here. The front two speakers are awesome and can push out good volume. Going back to the iPad with its rear mono speaker almost feels silly in comparison.
7. Web Browsing - The winner here is the iPad. Pages came up more quickly, they are easier to scroll through (only slightly), and are displayed better. In portrait mode the clear winner is the iPad since you have more horizontal space to work with, something I like.
8. Off-axis viewing - Not that you ever really need this because tablets are really made for a one person audience to be looking at the device head-on, but I did notice it. For whatever reason the iPad had a better image once you move off-axis from the device. The N10 was washed out more quickly as you moved off-axis.
9. Bugs - Oh man, Jelly Bean has them. I have essentially the base image on the N10 and I've already seen the battery information incorrect (stuck), freezes, my folders just disappearing after the device becoming frozen, and some other very quirky things. The iPad in comparison was stable. The iPad just feels a bit like driving a Lexus. It doesn't really do much to excite you, but it does what it is designed to do and does it well. The N10 is probably more like a BMW X6. Is it a sports car or an SUV? No one really knows. It does some things that are really neat, but in other categories it sort of falls apart. Just my own silly analogy.
So which will I keep. Based on all the criteria above I would say it is very close and probably a tie in my mind, but I'm leaning toward the N10. I'm not sure why, but I struggle a great deal with going to a closed environment like the iPad is. It feels boring to me and I just think I might enjoy tinkering with the N10 more. If I give it more thought I might change my mind, but for the moment this is where my head is.
I hope all this might help someone. If anyone has any questions about the comparison or the images please feel free to ask.

A lot people seem to crank the brightness even when they don't need it. The N10 with the back light turned up definitely has poor black levels but it's actually pretty decent when below 40%(more comfortable to view also)

I agree. I'm totally unimpressed by the video quality of Nexus 10. Maybe I'm doing something wrong here, but my older Galaxy Tab 2 P3100 had much better video quality than this. The colors are totally messed up and the it just seems bland and boring.
Frankly, I don't think this is an iPad killer in anyway, and I'm not an apple fanboy either. I had to download apps just to get the Volume to a reasonable level eventhough it has stereo. Wow, the ipad claims much less but delivers more, Nexus 10 claims tall but falls short.
Thinking about getting back the iPad 4 if the Nexus doesn't grow on me. Sorry, Nexus. Android has failed you :crying:

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Most of my other products have something like a 50,000:1 contrast ratio whereas the tablets are around 1000:1, a very big difference.
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The 50,000:1 contrast ratio is actually dynamic contrast ratio. How dark the screen is at it's lowest brightness and how bright the screen is at it's highest brightness. It's really just a marketing gimmick.
The real static contrast ratio could be anywhere between 1000-5000:1. Not a huge difference at all.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23137918

Looking at your screenshots I can definitely say you have the brightness set waaaayyy to high on the Nexus 10. Turn it down and the picture will be drastically better.

And for the other little problems you have to wait some time. Most of them will be gone with the first good custom roms/kernels. The device is still brand new.

I tried both the Transformers and Ice Age films streaming from google play, and I thought the video was pretty poor. Wifi signal was strong.

Video quality from all the streaming services I've used on Android have relatively poor quality. If you are attempting to benchmark the device's fidelity then I suggest making a high bit rate rip of a Blu-Ray
The high bit rate 1080p and 1440p videos I've seen look pretty great, but I agree videos from streaming services look pretty awful in terms of both blurriness and contrast.
Also, the hardware decoders like most devices do not have as high of picture quality as some software decoder. For instance, for the same video the hw decoder will look softer than the sw decoder in MX Player

Video conversion

Just picked up this phone the other day and I'm trying to find out what the best settings would be to convert video files like movies and shows that would take advantage of the FHD screen. I tried to convert a movie and compared it to the same file that I had converted for my old phone which was the HTC Evo Lte but it seemed darker on the S5 for some reason.

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I'm trying to find out what the best settings would be to convert video files like movies and shows that would take advantage of the FHD screen.
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You are short on details, so we can only guess at your preferences, whether you are a demanding videophile or just want a decent rip, with minimal effort. Whether you convert on a PC or on the S5 and numerous other questions..
Since it's not at all clear what you goals are, I'll just describe what works well for me, with very good, high quality results.
Using Handbrake:
Use the Android preset, which is quite good. This defaults picture size to 720p. I have done a lot of side by side testing and while I would default to 1080p for Blueray rips intended for viewing on a projector, TV or notebook, there is no visible advantage on a 5.1" screen. As well, ripping to high standards at 1080p often exceeds 4 GB, which is problematic on the Android filesystem. Whereas 720p results in a viable 1.5 - 2.5 GB file.
Confirm that large files size is disabled. i.e. choose 32-bit chunks.
On the Video tab, choose frame rate = same as source
Preserve ad hoc subtitles, the ones that the original English movie occasionally puts on screen when someone speaks a few lines of foreign dialog. On the Subtitles tab, choose Forced only.
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Thanks for your response. Yeah sorry, I should've been more specific in what I was trying to do. Since all my videos are currently formatted for 1280x720 on my Evo, I wanted to see if there is a conversion for the 1920x1080 that would look better on this phone. I'll give what you said a try and check it out. When comparing the two side by side, the S5 seemed to be a little darker so I wasn't sure if it was because of the lower resolution of 720. Just wanted to get it to look as crisp on the S5 as the Evo

I wouldn't recommend that kind of conversion. First, what you are thinking of doing is called upconverting.. and it never works well when you start with a lower resolution source. If you started with a highbit rate blueray.. that is one thing. And event then it's arguable if there is any visible advantage to 1080 on a 5.1" screen.
But I'll bet good money that upconverting from your lower resolution rip will noticeably degrade your picture. Yes, it will have more pixels in the end but since they are interpolated pixels from a lower resolution source, you can expect all kinds of undesirable video artifacts to accompany that.
Crisp could refer to several things. I suspect that your S5 is simply revealing inherent quality limitations of your current movie rips that may not have been obvious on your previous phone. The way to get that kind of crispness back on the S5 is to make better quality e.g. higher bit rate, mutipass (HQ) encoding and so forth. Simply upconverting will do the opposite of what you are aiming for because the extra pixels will tend to be blury + add random artifacts from an upconverted source.
Second, the dark picture you refer to is no doubt a minor gamma difference between manufacturers. You could in theory lighten all your movies to make them subjectively brighter on the S5. But again, it will degrade the picture a bit at the same time since the frames need to be modified and transcoded. Trust me that you will soon adjust to a gamma difference between devices after a short amount of time unless the difference is huge.
Most videophiles don't play movies at full brightness anyway as picture quality is better at an intermediate screen brightness. So unless you are viewing in a brightly lit room, you could just increase the S5 screne brightness a little bit to more than compensate for the lower gamma.
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Ok that makes sense. I'm kind of a noob when it comes to this stuff so I appreciate you taking the time to explain it. I kept looking side by side and couldn't figure out why there was such a difference. Colors seemed to pop more on the Evo which I thought was weird but I sort of understand why now. Skin tones and everything just looked like it had less contrast. I spend a lot of time traveling for work so watching things is like 80% of what I do on the phone and getting the right format is important. I was looking at getting the LG G3 so would that mean that it could look worse because of the bigger size and resolution or would it be the about the same?

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I was looking at getting the LG G3 so would that mean that it could look worse because of the bigger size and resolution or would it be the about the same?
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The S5 screen is better than the G3 IMO. But you can decide for yourself.
If you want crisp images or images on the S5.. just encode your movies from high resolution sources e.g. bluerays --> 720, with high quality settings e.g. high bit rate. Converting existing movie rips from 720 --> 1080 though won't give great results.
The apparent lack of crispness or contrast is just the effect of having a more capable screen on the S5. A better screen will be both impressive when you have a high quality movie. And disappointing when playing something lower quality because it is also more revealing of flaws that would be less obvious on a lower resolution screen.
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Impact on battery life - FHD+ v.s QHD+

Hello,
I searched around this forum and didn't find anyone talking about this topic yet, so thought I would start one. Has anyone done any tests or observed the difference in battery usage between FHD+ v.s QHD+ screen resolution on their S8/S8+? Also, can anyone actually tell the difference between the two different resolutions?
Thanks

I can tell a very slight difference in resolution, my fiance has the same phone, so I set them to the two different resolutions and pulled up the same webpage. Next to each other the text is crisper, but not worth the hour and a half SoT that I lose for it.

I can see a clear difference when reading a pdf version of a tabloid size newspaper. Fonts are too fuzzy when using FHD but on QHD they look sharp.

On FHD+ I often notice the icons are fuzzy, they have blurred edges, et cetera. Did not notice any battery impact so far though.

If you want to see clear difference, use it with VR glasses, here even QHD is not enough, you can still clearly see individual pixels even in QHD and forget about FHD, the pixelation is actually distracting. As far as battery goes, I think it depends on a usage: If you play graphic intensive game I can see how rendering extra pixels can affect battery, but often this may be offset by higher frame rate. In more static displays I don't see how this should be making much of the difference, I think all pixels light up regardless of the resolution and it just takes more GPU power to process more pixels, but I could be wrong.

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On FHD+ I often notice the icons are fuzzy, they have blurred edges, et cetera. Did not notice any battery impact so far though.
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I noticed fuzzy icons on my s8 also however I am using a custom icon set and nova launcher. I was able to fix the fuzzyness by re-selecting/resetting the icons for each shortcut on my launcher. Now regardless of the resolution chosen the icons stay sharp. Maybe the same will work for you if you're also using custom icons that is.

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I noticed fuzzy icons on my s8 also however I am using a custom icon set and nova launcher. I was able to fix the fuzzyness by re-selecting/resetting the icons for each shortcut on my launcher. Now regardless of the resolution chosen the icons stay sharp. Maybe the same will work for you if you're also using custom icons that is.
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For some reason, even though I'm the highest level tinkerer when it comes to that, I prefer to stick to the stock launcher and icons with the S8. So it was with stock icons.

I know this is the S8 forums, but I've been testing this for the past week or so on my S8+, and I consistently get an extra 1-1.5 hours of SoT when its set at FHD+ vs QHD+. I personally can't tell a difference between the two 99% of the time. Everything is still pretty sharp for me on Nova and a custom icon set (Vopor).
Still not sure which resolution to settle with. It's nice having the extra SoT, but I also feel like I should be making the most out of the gorgeous screen; even if I can't tell a difference most of the time lol... I get about 4-4.5hrs total SoT on QHD+, as opposed to 5-5.5hrs SoT at FHD+.

I have the Canadian Snapdragon version. I set it to FHD+ once and got about 1-1.5 hours more SOT. The text is noticeably more fuzzy, like it's always out of focus. I already get 6 hours SOT with WQHD+ so I just stuck with that.

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If you want to see clear difference, use it with VR glasses, here even QHD is not enough, you can still clearly see individual pixels even in QHD and forget about FHD, the pixelation is actually distracting. As far as battery goes, I think it depends on a usage: If you play graphic intensive game I can see how rendering extra pixels can affect battery, but often this may be offset by higher frame rate. In more static displays I don't see how this should be making much of the difference, I think all pixels light up regardless of the resolution and it just takes more GPU power to process more pixels, but I could be wrong.
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You actually hit it pretty close. All pixels on the screen are used regardless. Just a bigger sample size with FHD. However, QHD will use a little more battery if you are changing the image on the display. For the fact that it has to draw that many more pixels each time the image changes. Which is millions of pixels. But I believe a lot of static image changing is done by the cpu and not the gpu. where gpu is used mainly for constant motion on screen.
But honestly part of the reason they have such high resolution is for VR. That and to make more sense of taking UHD pics and videos. Most people won't notice a working difference between the two through regular use unless they keep it really close to their face, or have very good eye sight.
So you will see it use some extra battery. Not a detrimental amount more unless you are a heavy user of games and whatnot. Or if you force GPU rendering, then you should see a big difference in battery

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I know this is the S8 forums, but I've been testing this for the past week or so on my S8+, and I consistently get an extra 1-1.5 hours of SoT when its set at FHD+ vs QHD+. I personally can't tell a difference between the two 99% of the time. Everything is still pretty sharp for me on Nova and a custom icon set (Vopor).
Still not sure which resolution to settle with. It's nice having the extra SoT, but I also feel like I should be making the most out of the gorgeous screen; even if I can't tell a difference most of the time lol... I get about 4-4.5hrs total SoT on QHD+, as opposed to 5-5.5hrs SoT at FHD+.
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Hmm... yes, that is the dilemma for me as well. I could tell that FHD looks slightly more fuzzy compared to QHD. Facebook and Whatsapp apps showed more washed out texts when comparing the two, for example. Would be nice to get more feedback from the others

I am using QHD+ on the S8+, as it is a little larger than the S8. As a techie, using a display at non native resolution is unbearable Kidding, with pentile, you can not tell anyway. I am having good to great battery life and I like small fonts - so I do definetly see a difference and therefore amusing the higher resolution.

I set mine to HD. That's not an option in the poll though.

I enjoy the extra battery life so FHD+ ftw. And on the occasion when I do consume 2160p content on YouTube I simply drag down the quick settings/notification pane and change the phone from Optimized to Entertainment. No big deal.

VaderSS said:
I set mine to HD. That's not an option in the poll though.
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Cause no sane person would set their S8 to HD

lotreaglesfan said:
Cause no sane person would set their S8 to HD
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Or someone with old eyes that can't tell the difference...

Whenever I go into phone maintenance and enable the battery saver thing it tells me I only save like 15mins by switching from WQHD+ down to FHD+ so that's doesn't seem worth it at all. Anybody else seeing the same... It actually tells me most of my battery savings (around a hour) would come from disabling the AOD.

Hmm all this time I've been thinking the difference between fullhd+ and qhd+ would be significant, guess il be changing it to the latter then.

Not even thinking about that lol just i can see the screen and its bright and great i dont care else

FHD+ is my way to go.
I've had it on QHD+ for the last 2 weeks but I never really found any difference and the "fuzzy" things got fixed when I changed the DPI so I have no problema at all. Even if FHD+ provides 30 minutes more of battery life I take it.

Netflix HDR

In case you haven't read it today, Netflix is now supporting HDR for our XZP's - see Android Police and or Android Authority's articles.

Does anyone know if 4k is also now activated on netflix for the XZP or is it just hdr?

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Does anyone know if 4k is also now activated on netflix for the XZP or is it just hdr?
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4K has been available on the Netflix app for a long time. HDR was the only thing that was missing (which has now been added)

leijonasisu said:
4K has been available on the Netflix app for a long time. HDR was the only thing that was missing (which has now been added)
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I do not believe this is correct. Do you have a source?

Shnig said:
I do not believe this is correct. Do you have a source?
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What do you think is incorrect? I just finished watching an episode of Daredevil on Netflix in HDR. I didn't see anything in 4K though, but it might be that my preferred series do no come in 4K.

Shnig said:
I do not believe this is correct. Do you have a source?
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Geezus... do a google search :good::good:
https://9to5google.com/2017/08/04/sony-xperia-xz-premium-supports-hdr-streaming-on-netflix/

ishemes said:
What do you think is incorrect? I just finished watching an episode of Daredevil on Netflix in HDR. I didn't see anything in 4K though, but it might be that my preferred series do no come in 4K.
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I was trying to be polite by saying I did not believe that's correct. Netflix's android app does not currently support 4k Playback on any phone. This is a demonstrable fact, it's nothing to do with your preferred series unfortunately.
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ishemes said:
What do you think is incorrect? I just finished watching an episode of Daredevil on Netflix in HDR. I didn't see anything in 4K though, but it might be that my preferred series do no come in 4K.
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cheetah2k said:
Geezus... do a google search :good::good:
https://9to5google.com/2017/08/04/sony-xperia-xz-premium-supports-hdr-streaming-on-netflix/
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My ability to use Google is just fine thank you, as is my ability to read/comprehend: The article you linked only mentions HDR support not 4k support for Netflix because unfortunately Netflix does not support 4k Playback for android phones.

Shnig said:
I was trying to be polite by saying I did not believe that's correct. Netflix's android app does not currently support 4k Playback on any phone. This is a demonstrable fact, it's nothing to do with your preferred series unfortunately.
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No 4K is a shame. I was afraid that this is what you meant. I was hoping though that you meant that there was no HDR content. In any case, there is hope. Especially since the stopped allowing their android app to be installed on a rooted phone. So they might get ready to bring some really high quality content to the phones.

It really doesn't matter anyway. Unless you put the phone within 3 inches of your eyeballs you won't see the improvement in detail over 1080p.
Physically impossible,
HDR on the other hand and high bit rate low compression will and does deliver significant improvments

dazza9075 said:
It really doesn't matter anyway. Unless you put the phone within 3 inches of your eyeballs you won't see the improvement in detail over 1080p.
Physically impossible,
HDR on the other hand and high bit rate low compression will and does deliver significant improvments
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It actually is possible.
I downloaded the Peru 8k video in both 1080p and 2160p. While both of them look really nice, I can see more detail in the 2160p one.
It's not like I can see individual pixels, but more like having a brand new prescription compared to my old one. Both let me see pretty clearly, but one is perceptibly clearer.

Xifar said:
It actually is possible.
I downloaded the Peru 8k video in both 1080p and 2160p. While both of them look really nice, I can see more detail in the 2160p one.
It's not like I can see individual pixels, but more like having a brand new prescription compared to my old one. Both let me see pretty clearly, but one is perceptibly clearer.
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My reply didn't last for some reason an I can't be bothered to type it all out again just now but to summarise.
Physics doesn't lie, with normal eye sight on a screen 5.5 in with, 2160 resolution, the range in which you can detect those details, is 3in, beyond that, a typical person can't see those details on such a high PPI screen.
Monitors have a significantly lower PPI so will have a wider range.
To see 4k Improvements on a large TV you need to be within 3 foot. Far beyond what most people have in their living room. But is exactly the maximum distance you will find in any TV shop
What does make a difference is bitrate, HDR, compression artifacts, Contrast ratio, saturation and brightness.
And typically its that that will improve a pictures appearance.
4k alone, physically can't be detected.
It's the new 3D, Designed to fill a marketing departments wet dreams.

dazza9075 said:
My reply didn't last for some reason an I can't be bothered to type it all out again just now but to summarise.
Physics doesn't lie, with normal eye sight on a screen 5.5 in with, 2160 resolution, the range in which you can detect those details, is 3in, beyond that, a typical person can't see those details on such a high PPI screen.
Monitors have a significantly lower PPI so will have a wider range.
To see 4k Improvements on a large TV you need to be within 3 foot. Far beyond what most people have in their living room. But is exactly the maximum distance you will find in any TV shop
What does make a difference is bitrate, HDR, compression artifacts, Contrast ratio, saturation and brightness.
And typically its that that will improve a pictures appearance.
4k alone, physically can't be detected.
It's the new 3D, Designed to fill a marketing departments wet dreams.
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First mistake is using the term "normal", it should be average. The difference is normal implies what everybody sees, where as average indicates that there is a sliding scale and some see better than others. And just that, not all visual acuity is the same, some are slightly better, some are dramatically better. This applies to a wide variety of factors as well, not just detail.
Second mistake is in assuming the ability to pick out "detail" is the end all be all. The ability to pick out specific details in a static image (say the corner of a building) may in fact be driven by physics (again, using "average" eyesight) however that does not directly correlate into video with moving edges, edge sharpening and pixel bleeding. Just as the ability to pick out detail can be averaged, indicating higher and lower levels of eyesight, sensitivity to motion detection and color balance are also can be judged on a scale. What this says is that the edge of a bright colored building as it moves against the background may have much more than just "detail" to those with heightened visual acuity.

firstly Normal is the perfect description for eye sight that is considered to be optimum, any deviation from that is sub optimal so when one talks about Normal, IE, what is considered perfect, eye sight, that may or may not be the average, but I couldn't give a monkeys about average eyesight, we are talking about the physical limitations of the human eye in a perfect environment.
Secondly, a moving image is even less likely to have higher visible detail. If you are sitting 6 inches away from our tiny 4k screens, the physical limitation of you eye prohibits you from being able to see the individual pixels, you cant see it, in the same way you can see the flag on the moon, even with the most powerful telescopes on earth or even in space, Hubble for instance cant see anything much smaller than a football pitch and yet it can see whole galaxies in what appears to be highly detailed images. your eye can also only see detail in a relatively small portion of your field of view anyway, our eyes are comparatively crap compared to other animals but they are very good multi functional eyes, more of a jack of all trades, master of none.
anyhow, thirdly, you will notice that I did say that the higher bitrate associated with 4K HDR videos along with much better compression algorithms do make a noticeable difference in image quality, which is what you are talking about when talking about colours, contrasts and motion. Its not the 4K that's doing that, its all the goodness that comes with it.
I have this phone, I have several 4K screens of multiple sizes and I can tell you that 4K isn't the be all and end all especially if you sit beyond the optimal distance, if it wasn't for HDR being packaged with 4K it wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as it is. HDR on a OLED is breath taking, hell, even on a decent LCD/LED screen it blows FHD screens out of the water. of course you need a decent HDR TV for that, one that can pump out 1000+ nits.