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Sony Xperia Z4, Z4 Tablet, Z4 Compact, Z4 Ultra: Exclusive Leak

So the Z4 Compact phone is going to remain 4.6" display, but being bumped to 1920 x 1080 HD. That is awesome. The 10" tablet specs sound amazing, unfortunately, I prefer the 8" tablet size.
Sony Xperia Z4, Z4 Tablet, Z4 Compact, Z4 Ultra: Exclusive Leak

kandelai said:
So the Z4 Compact phone is going to remain 4.6" display, but being bumped to 1920 x 1080 HD. That is awesome. The 10" tablet specs sound amazing, unfortunately, I prefer the 8" tablet size.
Sony Xperia Z4, Z4 Tablet, Z4 Compact, Z4 Ultra: Exclusive Leak
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a 1080p resolution on a 4.6 display is a total waste. After ~320ppi anything else will just consume more power with no visual benefit.

jug6ernaut said:
a 1080p resolution on a 4.6 display is a total waste. After ~320ppi anything else will just consume more power with no visual benefit.
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I totally agree. I think the current 720p screen is beautiful, and if it means subtracting from the awesome battery life (unless battery specs change in Z4C), then it is a total waste. I think they are doing it for the higher pixel density crowd. It is the only negative potential buyers see on the phone because of the new push for higher resolution. I was even turned off initially thinking it was just another watered down compact phone, until I read the reviews in detail of how awesome the display is and all the other specs.

Ahh to get a Z3C or to wait.
I'm more interested in the new sensor for the camera
So im assuming the 801 to 810 is a huge jump.
Wonder what the battery life will be like too.
Im all for increased battery life

It doesn't sound like a dead cert the the Z4 will be coming out in compact form. Sony does usually skip a model with the compact versions.
But the changes rumored for the regular Z4 will be awesome -- Qi charging, exposed micro USB port, no more dedicated magnetic charging port (which will make cases much simpler). That is basically my list of what could be improved on the Z3. Now if only Sony would tell us it will have Gorilla Glass on both sides :laugh:

So I bought a brand new device day one a month ago and now the successor is announced it's a strange world we're living in....

King p1n said:
Ahh to get a Z3C or to wait.
I'm more interested in the new sensor for the camera
So im assuming the 801 to 810 is a huge jump.
Wonder what the battery life will be like too.
Im all for increased battery life
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Since Sony is producing flagships every 6 months, you can wait forever there will always follow a better one

cyphomatic said:
Since Sony is producing flagships every 6 months, you can wait forever there will always follow a better one
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The Z4 will be the start of yearly flagships

jug6ernaut said:
a 1080p resolution on a 4.6 display is a total waste. After ~320ppi anything else will just consume more power with no visual benefit.
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That's only true if you have average eyesight and you are at least 12" away from the screen. I use my phone and can readily distinguish pixels on my z1c (and its slightly-denser-than-z3c 720p screen) in a variety of situations. There are further issues for rendering most eastern languages, where they can take advantage of >500ppi screens quite easily.
Yes, there are tradeoffs involved, including potentially less battery life, but to say there is "no visual benefit" is simply ignorant. I will welcome the sharper screen, and I know I am not the only one.

jug6ernaut said:
a 1080p resolution on a 4.6 display is a total waste. After ~320ppi anything else will just consume more power with no visual benefit.
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teiglin said:
That's only true if you have average eyesight and you are at least 12" away from the screen. I use my phone and can readily distinguish pixels on my z1c (and its slightly-denser-than-z3c 720p screen) in a variety of situations. There are further issues for rendering most eastern languages, where they can take advantage of >500ppi screens quite easily.
Yes, there are tradeoffs involved, including potentially less battery life, but to say there is "no visual benefit" is simply ignorant. I will welcome the sharper screen, and I know I am not the only one.
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I have better-than-average eyesight (about 20-15), and I can barely distinguish individual pixels on my Z3C, and only when holding it too close to my face to actually use. I would consider anything over 300 PPI good enough, and anything over 350 PPI perfect.
The Z4C being 1080p might be a disappointment if it results in a loss of battery life, but maybe they'll improve their battery tech enough to make up for it. In any case, wireless charging will be very nice to have.

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I keep hearing that but do you have a source?
Personally the upgrades I want to see in the upcoming Z4C/Z5C are:
Wireless charging/ waterproof usb port
Better camera/curved lens/OIS
Atleast 32GB base storage + sd
Better front facing speakers
MORE battery life
I'm fine with 720p at 4.6 but 1080p would be nice if the battery is increased and the hardware is improved to match (Although imagine an 810 with a 720p screen :laugh: )
3GB+ RAM SD 810 or better, yada yada

AK4TAY7BEN said:
I keep hearing that but do you have a source?
Personally the upgrades I want to see in the upcoming Z4C/Z5C are:
Wireless charging/ waterproof usb port
Better camera/curved lens/OIS
Atleast 32GB base storage + sd
Better front facing speakers
MORE battery life
I'm fine with 720p at 4.6 but 1080p would be nice if the battery is increased and the hardware is improved to match (Although imagine an 810 with a 720p screen :laugh: )
3GB+ RAM SD 810 or better, yada yada
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Don't have the link at hand but the same website said last month that's what their source revealed to them.

Well they could always do what AMD and nVidia do.... rebadge old products.... Then Z3 becomes Z4 compact .

mattdm said:
I have better-than-average eyesight (about 20-15), and I can barely distinguish individual pixels on my Z3C, and only when holding it too close to my face to actually use. I would consider anything over 300 PPI good enough, and anything over 350 PPI perfect.
The Z4C being 1080p might be a disappointment if it results in a loss of battery life, but maybe they'll improve their battery tech enough to make up for it. In any case, wireless charging will be very nice to have.
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I also have great eyesight and can easily spot the inferior display. But has anyone compared the Z3C to the One m7? I couldn't believe my own eyes when I compared the same HD YouTube video on each display only to see that the Z3C blew the m7 away! ?

Issemann said:
I also have great eyesight and can easily spot the inferior display. But has anyone compared the Z3C to the One m7? I couldn't believe my own eyes when I compared the same HD YouTube video on each display only to see that the Z3C blew the m7 away! ��
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There are many things to improve (constrast,brightness etc) in a screen and let's hope they focus on these.
Anyway stuff that i want to see in the upcoming Z4C:
-Same footprint device with 4.6-4.8'' screen @ 720p resolution
-S805,3GB ram 32GB storage+SD
-Better camera and if possible OIS
-2800mah battery
-IR Blaster
-Dual sim
-Single covered port for sim/sd card and water resistant USB port so we can find a decent case
-Matte back as in Z3 tablet compact
-And of course Lollipop out of the box

Invalid_GR said:
There are many things to improve (constrast,brightness etc) in a screen and let's hope they focus on these.
Anyway stuff that i want to see in the upcoming Z4C:
-Same footprint 4.6-4.8'' screen size 720p resolution
-S805,3GB ram 32GB storage+SD
-Better camera and if possible OIS
-2800mah battery
-IR Blaster
-Dual sim
-Single covered port for sim/sd card and not protect usb port so we can find a decent case
-Matte back as in Z3 tablet compact
-And of course Lollipop out of the box
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I would buy this phone in a heartbeat.

EYeah ! Lag will be impossible with that Chipset and
720 but I think they will go higher res anyway.
I do not care if the phone is 10mm thick I want at least a
3000 mah battery.
This Z4 if ruggedly built may be a 2 year type phone , so
wonderfully overspecced.
Hope it's rugged Device and fully engineered Camera this time with digital and OIS.
I will pay tops for this, then I won't wish for a Note 4 Compact / Alpha type thing....
Love to see a full 810 in a Compact !
More wattage than HTC Speakers and maybe Kevlar Drivers like tiny studio monitors -already waterproof.

I'm not sure such wish lists of components and features will ever actually fit in such a small phone. But we can dream :laugh:

Actually I think this can be produced given the fact that since 2 years the motherboard is smaller and smaller :thumbup:
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I really hope there is no compact with the next release but If the z4c is real, I'll be broke again.. Damn you Sony!
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Z5 Compact competition? Sharp Aquos XX 2

Recently released with very little fanfare, unsure of global availability.
4.7" display, Snapdragon 808, 3gb RAM, 1080p Display, 2800mha battery, 13 MP camera, Water and dust resistant.
Could call it a Z5 compact pro?
http://gsminsider.com/2015/10/sharp...ecifications-features-price-and-availability/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFyIN6cxuWM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTguV9v9acc

I wouldn't call it a compact pro, snapdragon 808 is far from the 810, the 100 mAh difference won't counter the fact that need it needs to drive four times as many pixels but the IGZO screen might help a bit but I rather go with the IPS screen. While the Z5 series camera seems to have some issues (most likely software) 13MP is a far cry from 23. The RAM is nice but doubt it will do much difference in the long run.
I could maybe see it as an alternative to the Z5C but it is in no way it's superior, it's also IP67 (from what info I can find) which is a far cry from IP65 and IP68 even though Sony has gone back a bit on their marketing for it.

Very nice little phone but like they said above, that FHD display will require more juice to run, despite being IGZO. I seriously don't feel a need for more pixels on the Z5 display, it looks great already and I'd rather the GPU performance and battery life be boosted than just more pixels. It's also a shame about the 16GB internal storage. The RAM is the only real specification that makes me envious, even then I'm quite content with the Z5C multitasking so far. It's great to see another high-spec compact phone though.
What's Sharp's track record with OS updates like? That's the real question here I think. Sony has proven to support their Z series well and we already know they are busy working on the Marshmallow update.

its no competition because sharp only aims for the asian market.

There needs to be more competition in this market. I'm still plenty satisfied with my Z3C and while neither the Z5C nor the Aquos Compact are a big enough step up for me to consider upgrading, I'm glad that another player as entered.
I held an old HTC Incredible S the other day and it felt oh so good! If HTC could just get their heads of out their butts and develop a decent phone again (not a phablet), I would run back to them in a hurry.

boojay said:
I held an old HTC Incredible S the other day and it felt oh so good! If HTC could just get their heads of out their butts and develop a decent phone again (not a phablet), I would run back to them in a hurry.
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I had a Samsung Captivate 5 years ago and remember seeing an Incredible around that time. It really felt amazing in the hand and it made me jealous.
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Woza72 said:
Recently released with very little fanfare, unsure of global availability.
4.7" display, Snapdragon 808, 3gb RAM, 1080p Display, 2800mha battery, 13 MP camera, Water and dust resistant.
Could call it a Z5 compact pro?
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I would be even more interested in the Z5C if it had those specs. I don't understand why the Compact is still the only real flagship in a smaller size. No one else seems interested in competing with Sony.

I'm jealous of the Camara opening speed. Lol
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I actually bought a sharp aquos shv31 that was a hare smaller than my z1 compact, and a beautiful full 1080p display. Problem is they lock the apn to their austrailan market and apparently use some onerous anti-root methods that no one has broken it open. I have to send back as its useless with no data, but I totally love the sharp phone otherwise. I really wish they would put out an unlocked version, as I ended up buying a z5 compact to replace my z1c, and already waiting to hate the fact I'm going to lose most of its features when I unlock/root it.
Damn sony and their drm.

supercakefish said:
Very nice little phone but like they said above, that FHD display will require more juice to run, despite being IGZO. I seriously don't feel a need for more pixels on the Z5 display, it looks great already and I'd rather the GPU performance and battery life be boosted than just more pixels. It's also a shame about the 16GB internal storage. The RAM is the only real specification that makes me envious, even then I'm quite content with the Z5C multitasking so far. It's great to see another high-spec compact phone though.
What's Sharp's track record with OS updates like? That's the real question here I think. Sony has proven to support their Z series well and we already know they are busy working on the Marshmallow update.
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Oh shoot, It's cakefish from NotebookReview. I knew your profile icon looked familiar.

mbutash said:
I actually bought a sharp aquos shv31 that was a hare smaller than my z1 compact, and a beautiful full 1080p display. Problem is they lock the apn to their austrailan market and apparently use some onerous anti-root methods that no one has broken it open. I have to send back as its useless with no data, but I totally love the sharp phone otherwise. I really wish they would put out an unlocked version, as I ended up buying a z5 compact to replace my z1c, and already waiting to hate the fact I'm going to lose most of its features when I unlock/root it.
Damn sony and their drm.
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Yes, I also owned Z1c and Z5c now. Was also looking forward on sharp phones but nowadays they are very hard to root, so a no go to me.

Sony Xperia Z1 Compact versus Xperia Z5 Compact

Guys, I've been bought Z5c to replace my Z1c(I also own a S6). Still very busying to test the z5c now, if you guys got any questions regarding Z5c feel free to ask me in this thread(if there are still any Z1c survivor here...).
My first impression vs. Z1c(and vs. S6):
1. Camera way faster and fixed the annoyed focus issue. The camera launch speed slightly slower than S6 but close to it. The focus speed at low light S6 a bit faster but Z5c already done a good job like 3x better and blow out Z1c completely.
2. Camera details isn't much better than Z1c only little improvements there, yet S6 got better details. Color, WB, AE is accurate than Z1c and S6, however sometimes you'll think that it is just too accurate and not as eye caught as Z1c/S6(they do more tweaking while Z5c towards to neutral side, the overall style still Sony and similar to Z1c).
3. Speaking to camera shutter lag and saving speed. S6 got instant speed in this area, Z5c slower but 3x faster than Z1c again.
4. Sceen is much better than Z1c like next generation with noticeably better color, WB, brightness, viewing angle and more clear. No doubt the 5.1" 2K on S6 is sharper, Z5c is just 720p but an exceptional quality one for this kind of resolution.
5. Support double tap to wake in stock rom. S6 needs root or custom kernel/rom to get this function.
6. Fingerprint recognition looks more sensitive than my S6, no worse than ip6/6s I think.
7. s810 on 720P is extremely fast, the smoothness is around the same with Exynos 7420 on S6. Kicks ass though the s800 on Z1c is already very fast but Z5c performs even much more responsively, no slower than S6 in my opinions. What the drawback on s810 it gets hot during heavy gaming or video recording but manged to an okay level for any s808/s810. If you want to get a cool device, I'm afraid Exynos 7420 is the only choice in 2015 until s820 comes out.
8. Battery life is identical to Z1c but since I've only got it for 3 days, I can't tell much at right now, it takes time to know. But it seems no worse than Z1c of 4.4.4/5.1.1, 2700mAh feed the s810 well. Expected to out perform Z1c when Android 6.0 arrive.
9. Solid build quality but I think S6 and Z1c more premium with metal bumper. Z5c goes to the fashion design, more young and motivative, not the same direction on S6/Z1c.
10. Speaker is superior. To be honest, S6 speaker also sounds out loudly but Z5c got very stereo feeling.
11. MicroSD supports up to 200GB, IPX67 rated, glove mode is still there. Finally no flag usb port with quick charge 2.0. USB-OTG is supported but you have to click USB connectivity to ask it to detect. S6 got an IR blaster which is also useful if you got many electronic devices at home or like to remote the TV in restaurant.
12. Internal storage speed lots quicker than Z1c though can't beat the more advanced emmc used on S6.
13. The front LED is as good as Z1c/S6, that LED notification is bad on Z3c.
14. After rebooting both Z5c/S6 got exactly 1GB free memory on stock rom(currently both of my Z5c/S6 running on stock rom without root) but I'll probably very soon to unlock and root Z5c bcoz I want to try to limit cpu speed to reduce heat.
My Z5c is running on latest firmware(second OTA) and it's been improved much on speed, those reviews on net are dated now. Sony said new camera update will come in this month so we'll see.

My colleague has just bought Z5c and I've got Z1c so I compared these 2 phones
and I've got the same opinion as you - I can confirm each point of the post above, especially:
- screen is better and you know this on the first look
- speakers are better and the stereo feeling is easy to hear
- camera focus is faster
- it's hotter, not only on heavy use
One thing I can add is the look of Z5c: it looks fatter, more bulky - mainly because of bezel shape - but it feels fine when you take the phone in your hand

Davka said:
My colleague has just bought Z5c and I've got Z1c so I compared these 2 phones
and I've got the same opinion as you - I can confirm each point of the post above, especially:
- screen is better and you know this on the first look
- speakers are better and the stereo feeling is easy to hear
- camera focus is faster
- it's hotter, not only on heavy use
One thing I can add is the look of Z5c: it looks fatter, more bulky - mainly because of bezel shape - but it feels fine when you take the phone in your hand
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The size is identical to Z3c but the bezel shape looks like an older WP phone similar to Lumia 920. Especially if you get a yellow model.
Turn on Stamina mode will help but I think the ultimate solution is to lower the max cpu speed plus switch to other governor(waiting custom kernel). It's sure getting hotter but that's happened on every other s808/s810 phone in this year. Exynos 7420 is the only one suffering from this issue, it also warmer than s800/801.
Screen and camera has the major goodness. This monitor got very accurate color and decent viewing angle, both made it finally like a true IPS this time. The speaker is real very stereo. Camera focus at low light S6 still faster and better, I've done some extensive testing about this yesterday but Z5c focus easy beat all older xperia phones.
Other than the heat problem(can be solved after root by reduce cpu I think) and no OIS. I'll say every part got juice and definitely an upgrade for any small phone lover.
I'll post some indoor and night shot I've done last night of Z5c and S6 soon, including FHD/4K. I'll offer all in original size, please check this thread again.

Xperia Z is such a legend

As I'm owning an Xperia Z5, since a year and a half, I still find that the Z was the most popular and really well supported device, so many ROMs, kernels, mods, themes and just everything, even Sony supported it for a long period of time, but the biggest part was the people who spent hours to make the best for it, it's such a legend, made by Sony, and the people continued to make it better.
It's a bit sad that I am pretty disappointed with my Z5, it didn't make me happy like the Z, and from the development side? It's nothing compared to what the Z has gotten..
Thanks for reading and have a great day!

androidfreak70 said:
As I'm owning an Xperia Z5, since a year and a half, I still find that the Z was the most popular and really well supported device, so many ROMs, kernels, mods, themes and just everything, even Sony supported it for a long period of time, but the biggest part was the people who spent hours to make the best for it, it's such a legend, made by Sony, and the people continued to make it better.
It's a bit sad that I am pretty disappointed with my Z5, it didn't make me happy like the Z, and from the development side? It's nothing compared to what the Z has gotten..
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I know, and I still using it for daily.
May I know details of every things that make you disappointed on your Z5? Because I have a plan to upgrade my device, either Z5c or the latest XZ1c.

Zerikwan said:
I know, and I still using it for daily.
May I know details of every things that make you disappointed on your Z5? Because I have a plan to upgrade my device, either Z5c or the latest XZ1c.
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The Z5 lacks a lot of development and support, if you don't care about that then it's not the only issue, the Snapdragon 810 literally sucks! A lot of heat (running at over 50°C all the time) and terrible performance for an octa core CPU, Especially in games, even some cheap Chinese phones performance better, however it's an improvement over the Z, just not that much of an improvement as I expected.
It's not the phone's fault, just the Snapdragon 810 chip, and it's not the only one.
However I highly recommend avoiding any device with a Snapdragon 810 CPU because of the heat, bad performance and battery draining (I barely get 3 hours of screen on time), and I also recommend getting the Xperia XZ Premium, it has a 4K screen and a bigger battery unlike the XZ1 line.
More about the Z5:
Screen: meh, it has a blueish tint that makes the whites aren't so white, the TFT screen on the Z was better except outdoors.
Camera: good but not great, especially indoors, pretty noisy, 4K recording isn't so wow and the 120fps slow motion is too dark and low quality IMO, But it does pretty well in good lighting conditions.
Speakers: not so good, but I was able to get them louder after installing a mod.
Software: the Android 7.1.1 is the last update that the device will probably get, the nougat was a failure on the Z5 and XZ though, so I'm still using marshmallow.
So it's a fine device at the end but if you can go for newer devices like the XZ Premium then you better do!

androidfreak70 said:
The Z5 lacks a lot of development and support, if you don't care about that then it's not the only issue, the Snapdragon 810 literally sucks! A lot of heat (running at over 50°C all the time) and terrible performance for an octa core CPU, Especially in games, even some cheap Chinese phones performance better, however it's an improvement over the Z, just not that much of an improvement as I expected.
It's not the phone's fault, just the Snapdragon 810 chip, and it's not the only one.
However I highly recommend avoiding any device with a Snapdragon 810 CPU because of the heat, bad performance and battery draining (I barely get 3 hours of screen on time), and I also recommend getting the Xperia XZ Premium, it has a 4K screen and a bigger battery unlike the XZ1 line.
More about the Z5:
Screen: meh, it has a blueish tint that makes the whites aren't so white, the TFT screen on the Z was better except outdoors.
Camera: good but not great, especially indoors, pretty noisy, 4K recording isn't so wow and the 120fps slow motion is too dark and low quality IMO, But it does pretty well in good lighting conditions.
Speakers: not so good, but I was able to get them louder after installing a mod.
Software: the Android 7.1.1 is the last update that the device will probably get, the nougat was a failure on the Z5 and XZ though, so I'm still using marshmallow.
So it's a fine device at the end but if you can go for newer devices like the XZ Premium then you better do!
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I know about SD810 heating problem. It sucks, but till now, only Z5 family available in my country (so sad). XZ premium was great but I don't like a phone that has screen more than 5 inch. That's why I'm looking for XZ1c. 4K screen is not a big deal for me.
Thanks for sharing.

Zerikwan said:
I know about SD810 heating problem. It sucks, but till now, only Z5 family available in my country (so sad). XZ premium was great but I don't like a phone that has screen more than 5 inch. That's why I'm looking for XZ1c. 4K screen is not a big deal for me.
Thanks for sharing.
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I don't think the XZ1c would disappoint you either, it has nearly the same hardware as the XZP except for the screen and battery, and also, wait for them to come to your country, don't be in hurry.

Z5C is still your main\only phone?

i have my Z5C from 2016 (now rooted)
im still happy with him most of the time, beside indoor \lowlight photos
on average most flagship 2019 its only twice faster(benchmarks),
i dont feel its worth upgrade yet (my usage is mostly music\gps\whatsapp , camera once in a while, rarely games
i had thought about buy the S10E i prefer small phones with stereo frontal speakers but still expensive
you still have Z5C as main?
if not? what did you have now?

I still have it as main, but i'm thinking about upgrading to XZ1 Compact.

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I still have it as main, but i'm thinking about upgrading to XZ1 Compact.
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why do you want sony again? (z5c its my 2nd sony phone, i had LiveWithWalkman (W19A) before
but they barely updating their phones and the speakers not as loud anymore
example all google pixels got android 9 now even the oldest pixel 1, while z5's is only 7.1

Superrman said:
why do you want sony again? (z5c its my 2nd sony phone, i had LiveWithWalkman (W19A) before
but they barely updating their phones and the speakers not as loud anymore
example all google pixels got android 9 now even the oldest pixel 1, while z5's is only 7.1
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I want sony again because: 1. The software is great 2. i am still happy with the compact form factor 3. they are very durable, Sony cares a lot about battery lifespan and general build quality wich is a huge deal for me. My 5 year old xperia m2 is still getting my dad through the day without needing to replace the battery, and the same thing is going on with my current z5 compact. Meanwhile i keep seeing 2 year old Xiaomis, huawei and iPhones having battery degradation issues all the time. Also, there is no way of breaking or bending these bricks. 4. I don't like the shady stuff going on with chinese brands like huawei, oppo, etc. 5. i am going to repeat point 2... there isn't an alternative... s10e? too expensive and i don't like the software (Not to mention that it's still a lot bigger and it has worse battery performance). mi a2 lite? hate the notch, don't like the brand much and most importantly it's an outdated low end phone. Pixel 3a? still much bigger, but would've been a nice choice... if it didn't have worse cpu and battery.
These are the only "current" compact phones, and except for the s10e wich i don't like... they are all over-all worse than the xz1c.
barely updating their phones? they are still giving you 2 years of fast updates, and honestly... i don't care much about them. Maybe the xz1c won't receive android q but i'll put aosp extended on it anyways. Treble Support means you are going to get lots of custom roms. You don't have to fight with non-existent drivers like for the Z5c. Oreo and Pie fully working on Z5c? almost impossible. Android Q on xz1c? no problems.
The z5 received lollipop, marshmallow and nougat. the pixel received nougat, oreo and pie. It's the same number of major updates so far. Most brands don't even reach 2 major updates... i really don't understand why you are criticizing one of the better aspects of sony phones by comparing it with google phones that are the best in the market for that...
the speakers... i use them once per week, i mostly use headphones. And... the xz1 compact still has the headphone jack. Also, you are complaining about loud-ness, not sound quality. Wich is still top notch. If i need loud speakers, i'll just buy a 20€ bluetooth speaker.
i think the camera it's a much higher issue, but again i don't use it that much and photos get compressed when you send them anyways...
tl:dr : i am going to buy the xz1 compact because it's my only choice, and it's still a great phone.
i absolutely LOVE the z5 compact, the issues i have with it are: heating and low battery performance (also, lack of stable custom roms excluding LineageOS, the xz1c already has stable aex wich is my favourite)
By buying the xz1c i am completely eliminating these issues while keeping the same size and design (and getting an overall much better device).
woah i wrote a lot more than expected.

TheVan28 said:
I want sony again because: 1. The software is great 2. i am still happy with the compact form factor 3. they are very durable, Sony cares a lot about battery lifespan and general build quality wich is a huge deal for me. My 5 year old xperia m2 is still getting my dad through the day without needing to replace the battery, and the same thing is going on with my current z5 compact. Meanwhile i keep seeing 2 year old Xiaomis, huawei and iPhones having battery degradation issues all the time. Also, there is no way of breaking or bending these bricks. 4. I don't like the shady stuff going on with chinese brands like huawei, oppo, etc. 5. i am going to repeat point 2... there isn't an alternative... s10e? too expensive and i don't like the software (Not to mention that it's still a lot bigger and it has worse battery performance). mi a2 lite? hate the notch, don't like the brand much and most importantly it's an outdated low end phone. Pixel 3a? still much bigger, but would've been a nice choice... if it didn't have worse cpu and battery.
These are the only "current" compact phones, and except for the s10e wich i don't like... they are all over-all worse than the xz1c.
barely updating their phones? they are still giving you 2 years of fast updates, and honestly... i don't care much about them. Maybe the xz1c won't receive android q but i'll put aosp extended on it anyways. Treble Support means you are going to get lots of custom roms. You don't have to fight with non-existent drivers like for the Z5c. Oreo and Pie fully working on Z5c? almost impossible. Android Q on xz1c? no problems.
The z5 received lollipop, marshmallow and nougat. the pixel received nougat, oreo and pie. It's the same number of major updates so far. Most brands don't even reach 2 major updates... i really don't understand why you are criticizing one of the better aspects of sony phones by comparing it with google phones that are the best in the market for that...
the speakers... i use them once per week, i mostly use headphones. And... the xz1 compact still has the headphone jack. Also, you are complaining about loud-ness, not sound quality. Wich is still top notch. If i need loud speakers, i'll just buy a 20€ bluetooth speaker.
i think the camera it's a much higher issue, but again i don't use it that much and photos get compressed when you send them anyways...
tl:dr : i am going to buy the xz1 compact because it's my only choice, and it's still a great phone.
i absolutely LOVE the z5 compact, the issues i have with it are: heating and low battery performance (also, lack of stable custom roms excluding LineageOS, the xz1c already has stable aex wich is my favourite)
By buying the xz1c i am completely eliminating these issues while keeping the same size and design (and getting an overall much better device).
woah i wrote a lot more than expected.
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good review, its also easy to unlock and root the 2nd reason why is ive got another sony, on battery life my battery is still good, but also overheating forgot about the 2 giga RAM every big apps are closing
now im on linage 14.1 with google camera(max 8MP but still very good) and improved UX\GUI speed overall
i also prefer small factor (one hand operate +small in the pocket) xz1c is great idea,but where i live i can get for about 300euro (or ebay for about the same price) other down sides , its: 1 camera (no telephone and wide), body to screen ratio ,
btw why not xz2c? because it abit bigger?

Superrman said:
btw why not xz2c? because it abit bigger?
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There are lots of reasons why i think xz2c is worse... i don't even know where to start.
1. Worse battery life and overall efficiency
2. Performance on the xz2c is only like... a fraction of a second faster at opening apps, gaming? well, because of the lower resolution the xz1 compact runs smoother and less power hungry...
3. Custom roms: xz1c already has LineageOS and AEX wich i love. Both roms are available oreo and pie and AEX on oreo also supports gcam (with hdr this time). XZ2c? Only OmniRom pie so far. Also i bet that when official updates end for the xz1c (it's happening very soon) we will start seeing even more roms.
4. Headphone jack
5. well... the bigger screen means that not only when watching videos you get black bars but... i read somewhere that when watching 16:9 videos, they are acutually bigger on xz1c. I prefer a standard 16:9 screen. Having that bit of more space means you will have to stretch your thumb much more to reach the notification panel.
6. I don't like the new design, it's too thick.
7. Fingerprint scanner at the side is better
8. Much higher price
9. No wide angle front camera
For me, it's only cons. The rear camera is better but i rarely use it anyways.

thanks!
i didnt think about screen the 16:9 ratio even if ill buy s10e the 5.8 screen will be about like 5.2" because the blackbars anyway, also i dont like notches and punch-holes
i agree on the headphone jack and the finger scan also, i didnt notice that
anyway you are right x1zc its a good purchase, and upgrade over the z5c, i would bought the xz1c too, but i think 300 euro it abit expensive for 2yr old phone even if its high end didnt found 2nd hand, (if ill find cheaper ill buy)
(my z5c was about 800 euro when it was new)
they rarely make's any high-end small flagship phones anymore, sony was the last one to do so

I'm considering a xz2 compact because my z5c lacks performance and battery-life (even with a fresh install of MROM, which is a lot better then lineage). Also my rear camera broke.
What i don't like about the xz2c is the curved display (protectors don't fit) and the bad sd-card performance (i'm using a 400gb card quite heavily).
I also don't like that for the same money (~400€) i could get a technically far superior s8, but it's just a lot bigger.
Not sure which way to go.
The xz1c also might be a nice replacement at a good price.

TheVan28 said:
I still have it as main, but i'm thinking about upgrading to XZ1 Compact.
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Do it. That's EXACTLY what I did
Best thing about it is that XZ1 Compact vs Z5 Compact is that it doesn't "scream in pain" if you work it hard

I still have it. Tried last week S10e but sent it back because no FM-radio function (tried everything) and did not work well with 2014 WV car bluetooth as media player.
Changed Z5C battery lately (because the old lasted only 4-5 hours), it cost 70€. No better results until I factory reset pfone and then got 20-28 hours with average usage. So still happy with Sony, photos are crap but it's small and does all I need.

spacesnow said:
I still have it. Tried last week S10e but sent it back because no FM-radio function
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can't you just use internet radio? it's even better than regular fm in sound quality and never has artifacts

TheVan28 said:
can't you just use internet radio? it's even better than regular fm in sound quality and never has artifacts
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I don"t have internet access in cellars where I'm often being working and by using streaming over mobile data, the battery lasts about 3x less than using FM radio over FM radiowaves.