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Saw the Z2 today....

Today was the offical pre order for Z2 in Singapore. Was deciding to pre order one and to sell off my current z1.. The moment I picked up the Z2.. I was disappointed... The display was not as fabulous as what was reviewed.. Seriously, its slightly better then the Z1, Not as good as the Z Ultra. I can confirm that apart from the viewing angles that Z1 lacks, its almost the same as the Z2!! Infact sharper then the Z2! The camera wise, just the lack of 4K recording, the rest was infact the same as Z1 4.4... The Z2 still captures Superior Auto in 8Mp. Still No option to change the resolution in Superior Auto. Sad....
The trade in Price for Z1 here in Singapore is $450... The Z2 cost $998.... So its an additional topup of $540 to buy an additional 0.2" screen, Slightly better screen (Because of the Viewing Angles, but lost in Sharpness), an additional 1GB ram and a 4K recording software..
In the end I hesitated and walk off the shop, need to have a second thought.... So dear Bros, I have tried the display set and this is what I found out. Its up to u guys to see if its a worth upgrade.... Z Ultra's screen is still the best!!!

finoqq84 said:
Today was the offical pre order for Z2 in Singapore. Was deciding to pre order one and to sell off my current z1.. The moment I picked up the Z2.. I was disappointed... The display was not as fabulous as what was reviewed.. Seriously, its slightly better then the Z1, Not as good as the Z Ultra. I can confirm that apart from the viewing angles that Z1 lacks, its almost the same as the Z2!! Infact sharper then the Z2! The camera wise, just the lack of 4K recording, the rest was infact the same as Z1 4.4... The Z2 still captures Superior Auto in 8Mp. Still No option to change the resolution in Superior Auto. Sad....
The trade in Price for Z1 here in Singapore is $450... The Z2 cost $998.... So its an additional topup of $540 to buy an additional 0.2" screen, Slightly better screen (Because of the Viewing Angles, but lost in Sharpness), an additional 1GB ram and a 4K recording software..
In the end I hesitated and walk off the shop, need to have a second thought.... So dear Bros, I have tried the display set and this is what I found out. Its up to u guys to see if its a worth upgrade.... Z Ultra's screen is still the best!!!
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Not even close to worth it. Z2 is such a minor upgrade to the Z1. And seriously, who has a need for 4k recording? Your SD card will fill up crazy fast for a difference that you will barely, if at all, be able to notice. Do you have a 4k TV to even view it on? Since 4K is useless marketing hype, all you really get is an extra gig of RAM and a slightly bigger screen, which in my opinion is a negative feature, not positive.
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Well from what I have seen so far the Z2's screen seems to be one of the best out there, that being said I won't buy it coz I already have the Z1, it's better to wait for the Z3, it should come with 805 processor and 32 gb internal memory.
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finoqq84 said:
Today was the offical pre order for Z2 in Singapore. Was deciding to pre order one and to sell off my current z1.. The moment I picked up the Z2.. I was disappointed... The display was not as fabulous as what was reviewed.. Seriously, its slightly better then the Z1, Not as good as the Z Ultra. I can confirm that apart from the viewing angles that Z1 lacks, its almost the same as the Z2!! Infact sharper then the Z2! The camera wise, just the lack of 4K recording, the rest was infact the same as Z1 4.4... The Z2 still captures Superior Auto in 8Mp. Still No option to change the resolution in Superior Auto. Sad....
The trade in Price for Z1 here in Singapore is $450... The Z2 cost $998.... So its an additional topup of $540 to buy an additional 0.2" screen, Slightly better screen (Because of the Viewing Angles, but lost in Sharpness), an additional 1GB ram and a 4K recording software..
In the end I hesitated and walk off the shop, need to have a second thought.... So dear Bros, I have tried the display set and this is what I found out. Its up to u guys to see if its a worth upgrade.... Z Ultra's screen is still the best!!!
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The Z2 is definitely NOT meant for current Z1 owners. It's a reasonable upgrade over the Z, and a very solid upgrade for the previous flagships. Nobody expects you to buy a new phone every six months, not even every year. 18 months or 24 months is a more reasonable update cycle; and Sony's current cycle gives you a brand new (< 6 months old) phone to consider whenever you decide to upgrade, while others (Apple/Samsung/etc) may have an almost one-year-old phone as their current flagship.
The only problem is when people decide they must always have the newest, then the cycle may seem too short. But, when you realize your Z1 is still among the best phones out there (even after the Z2 is launched, and possibly after the Z3 is launched), you will calm down. I didn't even consider the Z2, as the Z1 still does everything I need.
BTW, taking 20MP pictures remove one of the major advantages of the Z1/Z2 camera, which is supersampling to reduce noise. It's the same technique used by Nokia on the 808 (still the best camera phone ever), the phone analyses all 20 million pixels and "filters" the high frequency part by resampling the image to a smaller resolution, which will remove random noise and make the image cleaner. This is a byproduct of techniques used by the oil industry in oil prospecting, it's a very well established mathematical mechanism that is now being applied to photographic imaging. I'm sure it cost Sony a lot to develop/license it, and they want you to use it since the resulting 8MP image will be better than the 20MP one in almost every single case. Actually, since most people will take pictures to upload to Facebook, the 3MP/2MP settings are much more useful than the 20MP one since they allow for much more effective supersampling (and Facebook will butcher the picture down to ~2MP anyway)

it's all the hype
Z1 is a great phone and a huge improvement over the Z. Z2 is just Z1 with a few minor improvements And a design fail. Sony included the charging port and memory card under a single flap. Only fools would sell a z1 for a z2.

Every single person has his/her own Opinion

The only feature I missing is when I watching youtube or gaming the dual front speaker. But not worth to sell my Z1 just for that.

finoqq84 said:
Today was the offical pre order for Z2 in Singapore. Was deciding to pre order one and to sell off my current z1.. The moment I picked up the Z2.. I was disappointed... The display was not as fabulous as what was reviewed.. Seriously, its slightly better then the Z1, Not as good as the Z Ultra. I can confirm that apart from the viewing angles that Z1 lacks, its almost the same as the Z2!! Infact sharper then the Z2! The camera wise, just the lack of 4K recording, the rest was infact the same as Z1 4.4... The Z2 still captures Superior Auto in 8Mp. Still No option to change the resolution in Superior Auto. Sad....
The trade in Price for Z1 here in Singapore is $450... The Z2 cost $998.... So its an additional topup of $540 to buy an additional 0.2" screen, Slightly better screen (Because of the Viewing Angles, but lost in Sharpness), an additional 1GB ram and a 4K recording software..
In the end I hesitated and walk off the shop, need to have a second thought.... So dear Bros, I have tried the display set and this is what I found out. Its up to u guys to see if its a worth upgrade.... Z Ultra's screen is still the best!!!
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Don't know what you saw but the screen on the Z2 I tried out was out of this world, even brighter and sharper than the Note 3's.

MohammedFurqaan said:
Z1 is a great phone and a huge improvement over the Z. Z2 is just Z1 with a few minor improvements And a design fail. Sony included the charging port and memory card under a single flap. Only fools would sell a z1 for a z2.
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Don't say that bro, I am jusy nearly to sell and upgrade to the Z2.. Heart hurting words.. Lol..

KarimSalloum said:
Don't know what you saw but the screen on the Z2 I tried out was out of this world, even brighter and sharper than the Note 3's.
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Oh my dear bro, note 3's screen can't even beat the Z1...

finoqq84 said:
Oh my dear bro, note 3's screen can't even beat the Z1...
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You can't possibly be serious. Even though I despise OLED and prefer IPS LCD / TFT displays, the N3's screen is really gorgeous. It's much brighter than the Z1's. It's the only thing I miss since selling my N3 and buying the Z1.

I've been saying from the beginning that straight on the Z1's screen is one of the best. It appears 'washed out' because it is not oversaturated like almost every other phone screen out there, and is extremely realistic and color accurate. The Z2 seems to have lost some of that accuracy in favour of 'looking better', but I'm OK with that.
KarimSalloum said:
You can't possibly be serious. Even though I despise OLED and prefer IPS LCD / TFT displays, the N3's screen is really gorgeous. It's much brighter than the Z1's. It's the only thing I miss since selling my N3 and buying the Z1.
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Are you sure about that? I'm 99.999% sure AMOLED screens are still nowhere near being as bright as LCD screens.
Source. The Z1's screen is actually really bright, 495 nits which is the highest of an Android phone in 2013! The Note 3 is pretty disappointing in the brightness category actually.

Waiting for Z3 ???
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kantk20111 said:
I've been saying from the beginning that straight on the Z1's screen is one of the best. It appears 'washed out' because it is not oversaturated like almost every other phone screen out there, and is extremely realistic and color accurate. The Z2 seems to have lost some of that accuracy in favour of 'looking better', but I'm OK with that.
Are you sure about that? I'm 99.999% sure AMOLED screens are still nowhere near being as bright as LCD screens.
Source. The Z1's screen is actually really bright, 495 nits which is the highest of an Android phone in 2013! The Note 3 is pretty disappointing in the brightness category actually.
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Agreed,Z1's screen shows more accurate colours.
Btw,I still own a Xperia P Its Awesome even under bright Sunlight (Max 935nits)
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Still people out there who fall for the OLED oversaturation trick I see.

I will be upgrading if for no other reason than Sony included the LTE bands that I need. I have never been able to put my hands on a 6909 at a reasonable price until a month or so back and by then the Z2 was getting to close to justify the replacement of my 6903 just for LTE.
One things for sure, it's a testament to how much I like this phone when I will put up with no LTE...

kantk20111 said:
I've been saying from the beginning that straight on the Z1's screen is one of the best. It appears 'washed out' because it is not oversaturated like almost every other phone screen out there, and is extremely realistic and color accurate. The Z2 seems to have lost some of that accuracy in favour of 'looking better', but I'm OK with that.
Are you sure about that? I'm 99.999% sure AMOLED screens are still nowhere near being as bright as LCD screens.
Source. The Z1's screen is actually really bright, 495 nits which is the highest of an Android phone in 2013! The Note 3 is pretty disappointing in the brightness category actually.
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the colours are more vibrant and the blacks are solid black though, no dark greyishness.
theres upsides and downsides to both though, IPS and TFT screens are much brighter especially outdoors in sunlight, colour productions are more natural etc.
regards

omnius1 said:
Still people out there who fall for the OLED oversaturation trick I see.
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Practically everyone, to the average consumer natural colors=washed out
Just a few days ago my uncle was wondering why Plants vs Zombies looked so "lifeless" on my phone, and compared it to his S3
So i can see why Sony bumped up the colors
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So many people use the dynamic/vivid modes on their TV too, and are convinced it's better.

You can clearly see that Z2 is really good when it comes to display and you just saw it inside of the store and maybe a night time.
So I think that they might have reduced lots of white/greyish colour for sure.

Z5 Compact competition? Sharp Aquos XX 2

Recently released with very little fanfare, unsure of global availability.
4.7" display, Snapdragon 808, 3gb RAM, 1080p Display, 2800mha battery, 13 MP camera, Water and dust resistant.
Could call it a Z5 compact pro?
http://gsminsider.com/2015/10/sharp...ecifications-features-price-and-availability/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFyIN6cxuWM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTguV9v9acc

I wouldn't call it a compact pro, snapdragon 808 is far from the 810, the 100 mAh difference won't counter the fact that need it needs to drive four times as many pixels but the IGZO screen might help a bit but I rather go with the IPS screen. While the Z5 series camera seems to have some issues (most likely software) 13MP is a far cry from 23. The RAM is nice but doubt it will do much difference in the long run.
I could maybe see it as an alternative to the Z5C but it is in no way it's superior, it's also IP67 (from what info I can find) which is a far cry from IP65 and IP68 even though Sony has gone back a bit on their marketing for it.

Very nice little phone but like they said above, that FHD display will require more juice to run, despite being IGZO. I seriously don't feel a need for more pixels on the Z5 display, it looks great already and I'd rather the GPU performance and battery life be boosted than just more pixels. It's also a shame about the 16GB internal storage. The RAM is the only real specification that makes me envious, even then I'm quite content with the Z5C multitasking so far. It's great to see another high-spec compact phone though.
What's Sharp's track record with OS updates like? That's the real question here I think. Sony has proven to support their Z series well and we already know they are busy working on the Marshmallow update.

its no competition because sharp only aims for the asian market.

There needs to be more competition in this market. I'm still plenty satisfied with my Z3C and while neither the Z5C nor the Aquos Compact are a big enough step up for me to consider upgrading, I'm glad that another player as entered.
I held an old HTC Incredible S the other day and it felt oh so good! If HTC could just get their heads of out their butts and develop a decent phone again (not a phablet), I would run back to them in a hurry.

boojay said:
I held an old HTC Incredible S the other day and it felt oh so good! If HTC could just get their heads of out their butts and develop a decent phone again (not a phablet), I would run back to them in a hurry.
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I had a Samsung Captivate 5 years ago and remember seeing an Incredible around that time. It really felt amazing in the hand and it made me jealous.
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Woza72 said:
Recently released with very little fanfare, unsure of global availability.
4.7" display, Snapdragon 808, 3gb RAM, 1080p Display, 2800mha battery, 13 MP camera, Water and dust resistant.
Could call it a Z5 compact pro?
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I would be even more interested in the Z5C if it had those specs. I don't understand why the Compact is still the only real flagship in a smaller size. No one else seems interested in competing with Sony.

I'm jealous of the Camara opening speed. Lol
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I actually bought a sharp aquos shv31 that was a hare smaller than my z1 compact, and a beautiful full 1080p display. Problem is they lock the apn to their austrailan market and apparently use some onerous anti-root methods that no one has broken it open. I have to send back as its useless with no data, but I totally love the sharp phone otherwise. I really wish they would put out an unlocked version, as I ended up buying a z5 compact to replace my z1c, and already waiting to hate the fact I'm going to lose most of its features when I unlock/root it.
Damn sony and their drm.

supercakefish said:
Very nice little phone but like they said above, that FHD display will require more juice to run, despite being IGZO. I seriously don't feel a need for more pixels on the Z5 display, it looks great already and I'd rather the GPU performance and battery life be boosted than just more pixels. It's also a shame about the 16GB internal storage. The RAM is the only real specification that makes me envious, even then I'm quite content with the Z5C multitasking so far. It's great to see another high-spec compact phone though.
What's Sharp's track record with OS updates like? That's the real question here I think. Sony has proven to support their Z series well and we already know they are busy working on the Marshmallow update.
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Oh shoot, It's cakefish from NotebookReview. I knew your profile icon looked familiar.

mbutash said:
I actually bought a sharp aquos shv31 that was a hare smaller than my z1 compact, and a beautiful full 1080p display. Problem is they lock the apn to their austrailan market and apparently use some onerous anti-root methods that no one has broken it open. I have to send back as its useless with no data, but I totally love the sharp phone otherwise. I really wish they would put out an unlocked version, as I ended up buying a z5 compact to replace my z1c, and already waiting to hate the fact I'm going to lose most of its features when I unlock/root it.
Damn sony and their drm.
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Yes, I also owned Z1c and Z5c now. Was also looking forward on sharp phones but nowadays they are very hard to root, so a no go to me.

Xperia X vs Xperia Z5 display and camera (amazing)

I didn't make this video. I wanted to share it since I found that the video shows the true potential of the Xperia X series.
Display is a lot better than the normal Xperia Z5(fhd).
You will see a difference in the camera quality as well.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=g5SJq-Jag20
Credits to mobile geeks.de for making such a good comparison between Z5 and Xperia X series. :fingers-crossed:

Really looks like an exciting device. Just about the same size as the N5, but a little heavier...metal back and general Sony goodness. I love it - sold.
Would be nice if it was available sometime before 2017 though. In the US. With regular software security updates.

Oh there wont be a Z6. I still thought they continue there as well...

pilzj said:
Oh there wont be a Z6. I still thought they continue there as well...
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Source? I still believe there will be a Z6 as the 2016 sony flagship at the end of the year.
The Z5 is still very new as it's only been out for a few months right? I believe Sony stated that they will only release 1 flagship phone instead of the usual 2 per year. Also i believe the X series are being advertised as "mid-ranged" phones (Besides the Xperia X performance ofc)

Xplay21 said:
Source? I still believe there will be a Z6 as the 2016 sony flagship at the end of the year.
The Z5 is still very new as it's only been out for a few months right? I believe Sony stated that they will only release 1 flagship phone instead of the usual 2 per year. Also i believe the X series are being advertised as "mid-ranged" phones (Besides the Xperia X performance ofc)
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Well did you few the video from the Main Post - MobileGeeks.de
After 21 Seconds she sais that the Z5 was the last of the Z Series... Thats my source

pilzj said:
Well did you few the video from the Main Post - MobileGeeks.de
After 21 Seconds she sais that the Z5 was the last of the Z Series... Thats my source
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I wouldn't count that as a reliable source. But if that is true then the xperia x performance is pretty much an xperia z6 in disguise.

Why would they make a Z6 if they have the XP? Lol. XP is the new flagship.
I hope the X is only around $400. I've always just wanted a mid-range phone with a high end camera. Only thing that stopped me from getting the Nexus 5X was no sd-card and my Z3 is still good.

imho sony really messed up the pricing on this ones :| 599eur for the x with a 1080p 5" screen , snapdragon 650 and 2600mah battery???? what are they thinking?
699eur for the x performance sounds a little better with the snapdragon 820 but spending 700eur to upgrade from my z2 to this is not worth it for me unless a z6 is announced with better specs my next phone probably won't be a sony :crying:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/02/22/xperia-x-family-priced-in-europe-pre-orders-now-live/

No, they still have the Z series
But they announced X series just as a threat to the competitions.

http://www.gsmarena.com/no_xperia_z6_x_series_to_replace_z_series_sony_confirms-news-16860.php
I guess there will be no Z6 afterall..

Xplay21 said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/no_xperia_z6_x_series_to_replace_z_series_sony_confirms-news-16860.php
I guess there will be no Z6 afterall..
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Also Engadget confirmed it today which seems to have an official source: http://www.engadget.com/2016/02/24/sony-no-xperia-z6/

Z-Series ends with Xperia Z5. There will not be a Z6.
Official Statement by Sony

eagle25884 said:
Z-Series ends with Xperia Z5. There will not be a Z6.
Official Statement by Sony
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Sony just lost me as a customer.... x series brings nothing new, the prices are crazy and since Z series is dead that's it for me.
My next device will probably be a xiaomi mi5 pro or the lg g5. I'm not in a hurry to upgrade my z2 (still a great phone 2 years later) so i'll wait until the mi5 and g5 are released to see how the xda community reacts to them i need to be sure their bootloaders can be unlocked and custom roms are available before i consider any of them.

ptmaniac said:
Sony just lost me as a customer.... x series brings nothing new, the prices are crazy and since Z series is dead that's it for me.
My next device will probably be a xiaomi mi5 pro or the lg g5. I'm not in a hurry to upgrade my z2 (still a great phone 2 years later) so i'll wait until the mi5 and g5 are released to see how the xda community reacts to them i need to be sure their bootloaders can be unlocked and custom roms are available before i consider any of them.
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So a LETTER was what you chose Sony for in the first place. Wow.
The smoothness of the OS, the camera, the great Aosp support of existing devices nor even the water/dust rating with almost a decade legacy of doing this in their phones, nor even the quality audio and accessories being innovative.
Sure go a ahead and deal with the competition. Personally it would be smarter to stick with Sony getting the Z line even 6 months from now as support under warranty will still continue until all sales of that device stopped.
Where do you kids think life and products are about? Change is inevitable! Get over the letter "X" drove huge success for Sony 6yrs ago why not try to repeat that.
It's a VRRY crowded market and consolidation the screen size is smart. Making the phones interact with us as humans is genius because looking down at my phone for a total of 3hrs combined a day feels unnatural in my neck - I do body build!
I want real world performance not a spec sheet that doesn't perform!!
I just bought a Z5 full retail and I'm very happy. I'll get the Z5C as a backup especially when travelling. I'll see the upgrade to the Xperia X Performance or whatever Sony brings next year. Not going to cry over spilt milk cause they made a very conscious and rational change in their product lineup.
Grow up.

Supa_Fly said:
So a LETTER was what you chose Sony for in the first place. Wow.
The smoothness of the OS, the camera, the great Aosp support of existing devices nor even the water/dust rating with almost a decade legacy of doing this in their phones, nor even the quality audio and accessories being innovative.
Sure go a ahead and deal with the competition. Personally it would be smarter to stick with Sony getting the Z line even 6 months from now as support under warranty will still continue until all sales of that device stopped.
Where do you kids think life and products are about? Change is inevitable! Get over the letter "X" drove huge success for Sony 6yrs ago why not try to repeat that.
It's a VRRY crowded market and consolidation the screen size is smart. Making the phones interact with us as humans is genius because looking down at my phone for a total of 3hrs combined a day feels unnatural in my neck - I do body build!
I want real world performance not a spec sheet that doesn't perform!!
I just bought a Z5 full retail and I'm very happy. I'll get the Z5C as a backup especially when travelling. I'll see the upgrade to the Xperia X Performance or whatever Sony brings next year. Not going to cry over spilt milk cause they made a very conscious and rational change in their product lineup.
Grow up.
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AHAH do you work at sony marketing and you got offended by my opinion? Cause your post makes no sense otherwise... When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device. 3GB RAM, snapdragon 801, great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery, the best camera at the time, etc. It was very easy to justify it's flagship price and i still love the damn phone almost two years later.
Obviously i don't care about letters, naming or brands, i care about specs, functionality and price. That's were the X series fails for me because it brings nothing new to the table except slightly upgraded hardware. my biggest problem with the X series is the price range sony is placing the devices at giving it's specs, nothing else. I don't feel like an X performance is worth 700eur to upgrade from my Z2 (i would get a better cpu and camera, nothing else...i can get a z5p for less than 600eur and it still feels like a better option than the x for me).
IF you feel like it's worth it buy it, enjoy it, and stop criticizing other people opinions. I don't have a sentimental attachment to any brand so it's easy for me to choose the device that fits my needs for the best price am i not free to do that?
Honestly if i change to another brand the only thing i'll miss it's the great dev community sony has here at xda. and that doesn't include you obviously

ptmaniac said:
AHAH do you work at sony marketing and you got offended by my opinion? Cause your post makes no sense otherwise... When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device. 3GB RAM, snapdragon 801, great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery, the best camera at the time, etc. It was very easy to justify it's flagship price and i still love the damn phone almost two years later.
Obviously i don't care about letters, naming or brands, i care about specs, functionality and price. That's were the X series fails for me because it brings nothing new to the table except slightly upgraded hardware.
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But going by your own logic there, the Xperia X is a worthy flagship, no?
It has the fastest cpu,
It has the fastest ram
It has improved screen,
It has stereo speakers
And the improved camera.
Take it from me, I have no intention in buying X, because I have Z5p. But come IFA, the letter won't mean jack if the specs match my expectations of a flagship.
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@corallus
It has the fastest cpu --> check (x performance only)
It has the fastest ram --> only 3gb, benchmarks not available yet so not sure it'll be the fastest ram available.
It has improved screen --> maybe be improved color wise but it's smaller and the same technology.
It has stereo speakers --> check (and if i go to another brand i'll definitively miss the front stereo speakers a LOT )
And the improved camera --> somewhat, will have to see after the device is released
For a sony 2016 flagship i think it's missing usb 3.0 connectivity (deal breaker for me in 2016) , a bigger battery, 4gb of ram and at the very least 64gb of FAST internal storage. Wireless charging and an ir blaster would be an welcome bonus but not a deal breaker.
The screen size drop to 5.0" makes no sense to me either especially given the 68.1% screen-to-body ratio. 5.2 or 5.5" as in z5p would be fine.
AGAIN i'll have to reinforce I NEVER said the x series is a sh*t device (quote me if a did), i'm just stating my personal opinion that it doesn't feel like a true flagship, especially for the 700eur price.
Anyway this will be the last post i'll make on this thread. I have only stated MY opinion, i've not been aggressive/stupid and i did not make any personal attack against anyone. I don't know why some people are turning this into a personal war, and i do have better stuff to do with my time so i'm out.

ptmaniac said:
AHAH do you work at sony marketing and you got offended by my opinion? Cause your post makes no sense otherwise... When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device. 3GB RAM, snapdragon 801, great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery, the best camera at the time, etc. It was very easy to justify it's flagship price and i still love the damn phone almost two years later.
Obviously i don't care about letters, naming or brands, i care about specs, functionality and price. That's were the X series fails for me because it brings nothing new to the table except slightly upgraded hardware. my biggest problem with the X series is the price range sony is placing the devices at giving it's specs, nothing else. I don't feel like an X performance is worth 700eur to upgrade from my Z2 (i would get a better cpu and camera, nothing else...i can get a z5p for less than 600eur and it still feels like a better option than the x for me).
IF you feel like it's worth it buy it, enjoy it, and stop criticizing other people opinions. I don't have a sentimental attachment to any brand so it's easy for me to choose the device that fits my needs for the best price am i not free to do that?
Honestly if i change to another brand the only thing i'll miss it's the great dev community sony has here at xda. and that doesn't include you obviously
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Spoken like a true child.
My post makes perfect sense but I see already you're beginning to backpedal from someone whom just quoted you. I'll break it down for you.
1. only a child on forums (cliché of the last 4yrs) claims someone who doesn't agree with their opinion about a brand works for said brand (first bold quote above). Hence why I said grow up!
2. When i bought my z2 almost 2 years ago it was THE top notch device
^ I stated that sales are affecting Sony's decision here to consolidate screen size and the specs along with shipping times and the brand sub-model here. SPECIFICATIONS like Skills or knowledge means nothing. It's sales to a company that continues to be a going-concern (accounting term) to make revenues that turn into profits and when sales don't go in that regard changes are inevitable for good or for worse, get used to this regardless if you don't like or do like the device ... change is here and in perfect timing. And like skills or knowledge both mean nothing without the means and the will to act ... using them (like drawing talent in a child that doesn't wish to pursue a career in that regard, drawing or visual arts is a useless skill).
3. great screen, comfortable size, nice front stereo speakers, waterproof, huge battery
Xperia Z5 Premium boasted the best screen (at least in terms of resolution and ppi).
The LG G Pro also released in April 2014 as teh Z2 had Li-Ion 3200 mAh battery http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g_pro_2-6052.php
having a huge battery ... means nothing if the cpu, screen, storage and ram guzzles. Battery consumption efficiency and recharging efficiency is KEY because it's all about using the device.
4. Price ... this is a HUGE concern for what you get. No disagreements here from me ... BUT I did specifically state it's about getting more sales but more profits (the key) for Sony.
3 phones all sharing 5" LCD displays and resolution
All have the same storage options - consolidating and benefiting on economies of scale.
what you get vs what you loose in bold below. I've left out the battery because nobody knows the talk-time (continuous) standby time or continuous video/music playback times between the two on a production phone BUT if it increases you may reconsider.
XPeria X Performance (slightly smaller by dimensions but not Z5 Compact
5.0 inches (~68.1% screen-to-body ratio)
1080 x 1920 pixels (~441 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch: Yes, up to 10 fingers
Qualcomm MSM8996 Snapdragon 820
Dual-core 2.15 GHz Kryo & dual-core 1.6 GHz Kryo
Adreno 530
Primary Camera: 23 MP, f/2.0, 24mm, phase detection autofocus, LED flash
Secondary Camera: 13 MP, f/2.0, 22mm, 1/3" sensor size, 1080p, HDR
Bluetooth: v4.2, A2DP, apt-X, LE
Radio: NONE
USB: microUSB v2.0, USB Host
Xperia Z5
5.2 inches (~69.6% screen-to-body ratio)
1080 x 1920 pixels (~428 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch: Yes, up to 10 fingers
Qualcomm MSM8994 Snapdragon 810
Quad-core 1.5 GHz Cortex-A53 & Quad-core 2.0 GHz Cortex-A57
Adreno 430
Primary Camera: 23 MP, f/2.0, 24mm, phase detection autofocus, LED flash
Secondary Camera: 5.1 MP, f/2.4, 1080p, HDR
Bluetooth: v4.1, A2DP, apt-X
Radio: FM radio with RDS
USB: microUSB v2.0 (MHL 3 TV-out), USB Host
- ANT+ support
- Active noise cancellation with dedicated mic
At the end of the day your opinions are yours to make ... just stop being so childish about it and realize you can VOTE with your hard earned cheddar! Seems you didn't get this the first time around.

Why the fight?
I agree with @ptmaniac that its a decent phone; but its targeted for mid-rangers because the price is definitely a deal-breaker for specs like that of mid-2015.
Sony has made VERY GOOD phones in the past but coming up with X series with little to no improvements - puts the deal off. (4gb RAM, AMOLED Screen, at-least Better photo Quality on your phones when you use the same sensor you distribute to others) (My Note5, costing lesser, will defeat XP on all grounds. Wait till the phone comes in market and check out the comparison people do).
I myself have been a user of Z1 Compact (A true mini flagship) for 1.5 years, but NOW Sony doesn't feel like they are giving any value-for-money devices.
+1 on the support for Sony devices on xda. Kudos to every1 on that.
Its a personal opinion in the end. You want to buy, please go ahead and enjoy
We just dont feel like spending 700 for a mid-ranger specd phone.

Don't say we when you mean you. Again its a difference of opinion and view. Not a fight. We've already worked out our views in PM. No need to investigate.
The Z5compact is also a true small form flagship device: none has the same 810 CPU with 2GB ram and 32GB internal storage! None.
Since you're talking about a 3generation old phone you haven't seen value for the dollar in almost 3yrs not sure how you're even mentioning about this product. You mention awaiting for comparison but state camera should be better? Conundrum?

Xperia Z is such a legend

As I'm owning an Xperia Z5, since a year and a half, I still find that the Z was the most popular and really well supported device, so many ROMs, kernels, mods, themes and just everything, even Sony supported it for a long period of time, but the biggest part was the people who spent hours to make the best for it, it's such a legend, made by Sony, and the people continued to make it better.
It's a bit sad that I am pretty disappointed with my Z5, it didn't make me happy like the Z, and from the development side? It's nothing compared to what the Z has gotten..
Thanks for reading and have a great day!

androidfreak70 said:
As I'm owning an Xperia Z5, since a year and a half, I still find that the Z was the most popular and really well supported device, so many ROMs, kernels, mods, themes and just everything, even Sony supported it for a long period of time, but the biggest part was the people who spent hours to make the best for it, it's such a legend, made by Sony, and the people continued to make it better.
It's a bit sad that I am pretty disappointed with my Z5, it didn't make me happy like the Z, and from the development side? It's nothing compared to what the Z has gotten..
Thanks for reading and have a great day!
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I know, and I still using it for daily.
May I know details of every things that make you disappointed on your Z5? Because I have a plan to upgrade my device, either Z5c or the latest XZ1c.

Zerikwan said:
I know, and I still using it for daily.
May I know details of every things that make you disappointed on your Z5? Because I have a plan to upgrade my device, either Z5c or the latest XZ1c.
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The Z5 lacks a lot of development and support, if you don't care about that then it's not the only issue, the Snapdragon 810 literally sucks! A lot of heat (running at over 50°C all the time) and terrible performance for an octa core CPU, Especially in games, even some cheap Chinese phones performance better, however it's an improvement over the Z, just not that much of an improvement as I expected.
It's not the phone's fault, just the Snapdragon 810 chip, and it's not the only one.
However I highly recommend avoiding any device with a Snapdragon 810 CPU because of the heat, bad performance and battery draining (I barely get 3 hours of screen on time), and I also recommend getting the Xperia XZ Premium, it has a 4K screen and a bigger battery unlike the XZ1 line.
More about the Z5:
Screen: meh, it has a blueish tint that makes the whites aren't so white, the TFT screen on the Z was better except outdoors.
Camera: good but not great, especially indoors, pretty noisy, 4K recording isn't so wow and the 120fps slow motion is too dark and low quality IMO, But it does pretty well in good lighting conditions.
Speakers: not so good, but I was able to get them louder after installing a mod.
Software: the Android 7.1.1 is the last update that the device will probably get, the nougat was a failure on the Z5 and XZ though, so I'm still using marshmallow.
So it's a fine device at the end but if you can go for newer devices like the XZ Premium then you better do!

androidfreak70 said:
The Z5 lacks a lot of development and support, if you don't care about that then it's not the only issue, the Snapdragon 810 literally sucks! A lot of heat (running at over 50°C all the time) and terrible performance for an octa core CPU, Especially in games, even some cheap Chinese phones performance better, however it's an improvement over the Z, just not that much of an improvement as I expected.
It's not the phone's fault, just the Snapdragon 810 chip, and it's not the only one.
However I highly recommend avoiding any device with a Snapdragon 810 CPU because of the heat, bad performance and battery draining (I barely get 3 hours of screen on time), and I also recommend getting the Xperia XZ Premium, it has a 4K screen and a bigger battery unlike the XZ1 line.
More about the Z5:
Screen: meh, it has a blueish tint that makes the whites aren't so white, the TFT screen on the Z was better except outdoors.
Camera: good but not great, especially indoors, pretty noisy, 4K recording isn't so wow and the 120fps slow motion is too dark and low quality IMO, But it does pretty well in good lighting conditions.
Speakers: not so good, but I was able to get them louder after installing a mod.
Software: the Android 7.1.1 is the last update that the device will probably get, the nougat was a failure on the Z5 and XZ though, so I'm still using marshmallow.
So it's a fine device at the end but if you can go for newer devices like the XZ Premium then you better do!
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I know about SD810 heating problem. It sucks, but till now, only Z5 family available in my country (so sad). XZ premium was great but I don't like a phone that has screen more than 5 inch. That's why I'm looking for XZ1c. 4K screen is not a big deal for me.
Thanks for sharing.

Zerikwan said:
I know about SD810 heating problem. It sucks, but till now, only Z5 family available in my country (so sad). XZ premium was great but I don't like a phone that has screen more than 5 inch. That's why I'm looking for XZ1c. 4K screen is not a big deal for me.
Thanks for sharing.
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I don't think the XZ1c would disappoint you either, it has nearly the same hardware as the XZP except for the screen and battery, and also, wait for them to come to your country, don't be in hurry.

X Compact vs XZ1 compact SOT

Good day.
Has anyone had the oportunity to compare XC vs XZ1C SOT?
I am thinking in replacing my stupid Galaxy S8 and get a smaller phone.
Trying to decide between XC or XZ1C. I simply loved the battery life of my good old Z3 Compact

I was in the same boat and went with the XC because it was half the price and I prefer Nougat over Oreo. Also, the XZ1 has no FM radio.
The XZ1 looks nicer and has a more premium case which isn't a fingerprint magnet and the volume buttons are positioned higher up so easier to use. Camera is better too and it has more RAM and a faster chipset but the 3GB XC RAM and mid-range chipset is plenty fast for me.
Battery on the XZ1 is better too but the XC battery life is also excellent, I comfortably get two days out of mine and can stretch it to 3 with light usage. Haven't done a direct comparison of screen-on-time but I had my XZ1 for a week and didn't think it was worth £400. For me, it came down to price and Sony getting rid of their useful customisations in Oreo. At least with the XC you have the option to upgrade (or not) to Oreo.

Dark_Horse said:
I was in the same boat and went with the XC because it was half the price and I prefer Nougat over Oreo. Also, the XZ1 has no FM radio.
The XZ1 looks nicer and has a more premium case which isn't a fingerprint magnet and the volume buttons are positioned higher up so easier to use. Camera is better too and it has more RAM and a faster chipset but the 3GB XC RAM and mid-range chipset is plenty fast for me.
Battery on the XZ1 is better too but the XC battery life is also excellent, I comfortably get two days out of mine and can stretch it to 3 with light usage. Haven't done a direct comparison of screen-on-time but I had my XZ1 for a week and didn't think it was worth £400. For me, it came down to price and Sony getting rid of their useful customisations in Oreo. At least with the XC you have the option to upgrade (or not) to Oreo.
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Even though I can't see what's missed in Oreo in comparison to Nougat, I agree with everything else that you've written.

kwstas 13 said:
Even thought I can't see what's missed in Oreo in comparison to Nougat, I agree with everything else that you've written.
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if price doesn't matter for you get the xz1c cause
- It has way better graphical performance
- One more year of official software support
- better material and more premium
- better front camera + 4k video recording
- trust me, xc speakers are ****...
otherwise:
- cpu performance and daily usage is 99% the same experience (no lag and no ram issue in Xc)
- xc has a more vibrant display (just due to different calibrations from sony)
almost same battery performance
- xc has exactly the same gpu performance as the S8 (due to lower spec gpu but also lower resolution display)
- you might wanna wait and see if sony brings a better compact phone in 2018 cause XZ1c doesnt quite nail it and s8 is a beautiful phone...

Kianush said:
if price doesn't matter for you get the xz1c cause
- It has way better graphical performance
- One more year of official software support
- better material and more premium
- better front camera + 4k video recording
- trust me, xc speakers are ****...
otherwise:
- cpu performance and daily usage is 99% the same experience (no lag and no ram issue in Xc)
- xc has a more vibrant display (just due to different calibrations from sony)
almost same battery performance
- xc has exactly the same gpu performance as the S8 (due to lower spec gpu but also lower resolution display)
- you might wanna wait and see if sony brings a better compact phone in 2018 cause XZ1c doesnt quite nail it and s8 is a beautiful phone...
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Also, XZ1 have waterproof (IP68/IP66), gorilla glass 5 and bluetooth 5.0 ( quadruples the wireless transmission range, boosts the broadcast messaging ability by 800% and doubles the data speed capacity, real compatibility with lossless uncompressed quality with bluetooh headphones)
XC have water resistant (check on youtube), scratch resistant (no specs). The only benefit is that XC have stock Sony option of double tap to wake up and to sleep, which XZ1 doesnt.
XZ1 compact on ebay 450$
XC on Amazon 320$
XZ2 Compact (after MWC 2018) 699$ expected

Good day.
Thank you all very much for your reply.
XZ2 Compact will be anounced in MWC 2018?
I just wanted a good fast compact phone. No other brand offers that, other than Sony. Money is not a issue here.
I'm no Samsung fanboy, and I like Galaxy S8 very much, it is a beautiful phone, excelent camera, the software has all the things i need and never thought to root to add new function.
But it has a so so battery life, it's too big for my hand and impratical, useless fingerprint sensor, and is very fragile (last week it fell to the ground with the cover and the screen shatered. 300euros for repairs)
I have been looking around in this forum and Xz1C one, and it seems that Xz1c forum is still very dormant. As i want to root the phone, XC has the possibility to backup DRM keys, in case i want to send for warranty and there is much more mods for XC.
What's keeping me from buying XC is that battery endurance rating is 73h, worse that Galaxy S8, vs 108h for the XZ1C as stated in GSM Arena. And the loudness of the speakers.
If XZ2 Compact really will be anounced in MWC 2018, about 10 days from now, think i'll wait to see if it is worth it. (rumors say that XZ2C will be 5" screen, fingerprint sensor in the back and no 3.5mm earphone plug, and those for me are a no go)
Thank you.

Hansoliv said:
Good day.
Thank you all very much for your reply.
XZ2 Compact will be anounced in MWC 2018?
I just wanted a good fast compact phone. No other brand offers that, other than Sony. Money is not a issue here.
I'm no Samsung fanboy, and I like Galaxy S8 very much, it is a beautiful phone, excelent camera, the software has all the things i need and never thought to root to add new function.
But it has a so so battery life, it's too big for my hand and impratical, useless fingerprint sensor, and is very fragile (last week it fell to the ground with the cover and the screen shatered. 300euros for repairs)
I have been looking around in this forum and Xz1C one, and it seems that Xz1c forum is still very dormant. As i want to root the phone, XC has the possibility to backup DRM keys, in case i want to send for warranty and there is much more mods for XC.
What's keeping me from buying XC is that battery endurance rating is 73h, worse that Galaxy S8, vs 108h for the XZ1C as stated in GSM Arena. And the loudness of the speakers.
If XZ2 Compact really will be anounced in MWC 2018, about 10 days from now, think i'll wait to see if it is worth it. (rumors say that XZ2C will be 5" screen, fingerprint sensor in the back and no 3.5mm earphone plug, and those for me are a no go)
Thank you.
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If I were you, I'd definately wait for MWC 2018 (7 days patience).

Hansoliv said:
Good day.
What's keeping me from buying XC is that battery endurance rating is 73h, worse that Galaxy S8, vs 108h for the XZ1C as stated in GSM Arena. And the loudness of the speakers.
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One thing to notice though, xz1c would have been tested with oreo, and xc would have been tested with either nougat or even marshmallow. The OS difference might have affected the battery performance.

Hansoliv said:
What's keeping me from buying XC is that battery endurance rating is 73h, worse that Galaxy S8, vs 108h for the XZ1C as stated in GSM Arena. And the loudness of the speakers.
If XZ2 Compact really will be anounced in MWC 2018, about 10 days from now, think i'll wait to see if it is worth it. (rumors say that XZ2C will be 5" screen, fingerprint sensor in the back and no 3.5mm earphone plug, and those for me are a no go)
Thank you.
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Battery life is very subjective and those GSM Arena tests are synthetic, i.e. not reflective of real use. A lot depends on network signal strength, what you have enabled and running the background so they are useful as a comparison tool with other devices but it's quite possible the XC would have similar if not comparable battery life to the XZ1 depending on how you use it.
I'd definitely wait for MWC to see what the XZ2 Compact is all about as well as what other phones are announced. I totally agree with you though, 5" is too large and with no 3.5mm earphone plug and a fingerprint sensor in the worst place, it's a deal breaker.
I think overall, the XC is the last great all-rounder compact that Sony made, the XZ1C not having the FM Radio and losing all the useful Sony customisations in Oreo.

Hansoliv said:
Good day.
Thank you all very much for your reply.
XZ2 Compact will be anounced in MWC 2018?
I just wanted a good fast compact phone. No other brand offers that, other than Sony. Money is not a issue here.
I'm no Samsung fanboy, and I like Galaxy S8 very much, it is a beautiful phone, excelent camera, the software has all the things i need and never thought to root to add new function.
But it has a so so battery life, it's too big for my hand and impratical, useless fingerprint sensor, and is very fragile (last week it fell to the ground with the cover and the screen shatered. 300euros for repairs)
I have been looking around in this forum and Xz1C one, and it seems that Xz1c forum is still very dormant. As i want to root the phone, XC has the possibility to backup DRM keys, in case i want to send for warranty and there is much more mods for XC.
What's keeping me from buying XC is that battery endurance rating is 73h, worse that Galaxy S8, vs 108h for the XZ1C as stated in GSM Arena. And the loudness of the speakers.
If XZ2 Compact really will be anounced in MWC 2018, about 10 days from now, think i'll wait to see if it is worth it. (rumors say that XZ2C will be 5" screen, fingerprint sensor in the back and no 3.5mm earphone plug, and those for me are a no go)
Thank you.
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well Oreo has a big effect on battery life, since I upgraded my xc to oreo it easily lasts about 12 more hours with normal usage...
and although I agree with you about xz2c being like that, I think 5" display would be on a bezel-less front and for headphone jack, there are plenty of type-c to 3.5mm connectors that are very cheap and tiny and easy to use, so if no 3.5mm jack means less bezels, Im totaly on for it....
also, rumors say that there might be an acoustic display on xz2c, its just rumors but man that one thing is SOMETHING!

Kianush said:
well Oreo has a big effect on battery life, since I upgraded my xc to oreo it easily lasts about 12 more hours with normal usage...
and although I agree with you about xz2c being like that, I think 5" display would be on a bezel-less front and for headphone jack, there are plenty of type-c to 3.5mm connectors that are very cheap and tiny and easy to use, so if no 3.5mm jack means less bezels, Im totaly on for it....
also, rumors say that there might be an acoustic display on xz2c, its just rumors but man that one thing is SOMETHING!
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Good day.
I probably will be going to buy an XCompact until xz2C is available in my country.
You could be right about XZ2C. If the rumors are true that they will be using the same phone size and increase the screen.
Acoustic display would be nice in this phone , As long as it does not affect battery life.

Hansoliv said:
Good day.
I probably will be going to buy an XCompact until xz2C is available in my country.
You could be right about XZ2C. If the rumors are true that they will be using the same phone size and increase the screen.
Acoustic display would be nice in this phone , As long as it does not affect battery life.
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well xz2c pictures have been leaked and you could check them out if you havent already,
unfortunatly no acoustic display is a no,
bye bye headphone jack!
bezels are not much less than older phones,
and its reeeaaaly thick!!
maybe hardware performance will make up for it but otherwise I'd say go for Xc and put the remaining money to better use! (true wireless headphones maybe!? )

Hey, compare all information about XC; XZ1c and XZ2c here
I still prefer xz1c, for god's sake, 168g isn't a compact, it's a brick! see no advantages

What the f*ck is Sony doing? Very disappointed :crying:
Xz2 compact is not compact anymore. Thick (12mm), tall (135mm), :crying:
No headphone jack, fingerprint reader on the back. The only fast compact device on the market is dead.
Back to Samsung it is.

After reading about the XZ2 Compact changes, I'm tempted to upgrade my X Compact to an XZ1 Compact just to retain the final version of the good Compact form factor, WITH headphone port and side fingerprint sensor power button. As for XZ1 vs. X, the X is REALLY shiny and slippery, while the XZ1 is a nicer matte metal feel all around. That and a newer SOC and are the main upgrades since now both are on Oreo (though the XZ1 might get Android 9 support in the future, while the X may or may not)

Blue-Haze said:
Hey, compare all information about XC; XZ1c and XZ2c here
I still prefer xz1c, for god's sake, 168g isn't a compact, it's a brick! see no advantages
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Hi,
On your link it says no notification led. Is this true ?? Right now i am happy with my x compact, thinking about an upgrade in a few months maybe but if the new one does not have a led for notification i will be quite lost !!
Thanks

neopbm said:
Hi,
On your link it says no notification led. Is this true ?? Right now i am happy with my x compact, thinking about an upgrade in a few months maybe but if the new one does not have a led for notification i will be quite lost !!
Thanks
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Actually this information is missing. You can see the led notification in rigth corner, here

is there a real difference in photo quality between Xc and Xz1C ?
I am interested in the 2, but the 100 € difference make me hesitate.
What I appreciate above all is a correct autonomy and good photo quality.
What is the best in photo quality?