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Xperia Z1 vs Nexus 5 (UPDATED WITH VIDEO)

I have just got my Nexus 5 few hours ago, and I thought I would give a quick comparison between the Nexus 5 and the Xperia Z1 while waiting for more in depth comparisons from tech sites. I will keep it short and informative.
Look, Feel and size
The Nexus is alot lighter and smaller but the Z1 is more premium. This doesn't mean that the Nexus looks cheap. the Nexus is very good and the Z1 is excellent in the feel but the Nexus is better when looking at the size or weight.
Performance
Benchmarks
I know it means nothing bla bla bla, but people still wants to see them
antutu benchmark X nexus ~26000, Z1 ~35000
quadrant nexus ~8700, Z1 ~21000
sunspider nexus 745ms, Z1 694ms
I am not sure why the nexus 5 scored less (consideribly less for antutu and quadrant) but I think it has to do with ROM stability as the nexus 5 was turned on for the first time few hours ago.
Real life
just done few tests on opening various websites and apps. the Nexus was milliseconds faster on opening almost all websites except one or two where both phones were as fast. However, opening apps were of the same speed for both phones. (keep in mind that the Z1 has alot going in the background while the nexus was clean)
Screen
I tried viewing various photos and videos but couldn't really say which is better. Some photos were better on the Nexus while other were better on the Z1.
the viewing angle were significantly better in the Nexus, but not perfect though.
The brightness of both devices are almost equal.
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Camera
This is quite hard, I do need some more time to say which is better. But initially, the Nexus has better low light image (the images are softer which has advantage of less noise and disadvantage of less details) but the colors are more accurate in the nexus as well. in good light conditions, the Z1 is better in every way.
Speaker
tried playing various sounds in youtube and the Z1 is Alot louder and of better quality than the Nexus.
Battery
I didn't have time to test the battery life of the nexus of course. However, during testing the previous things, the Z1 dropped ~%25 while the Nexus dropped ~%40. Again, I know that the battery tends to get better after couple of charges but the Z1 had lots of apps installed and lots working in the background while the Nexus was clean. Additionally, the Nexus was in airplane mode while the Z1 had the radio working. all in all, I would say the Z1 battery would be better as expected by the battery size and hopefully it will get better after getting 4.4
I should mention that the Nexus 5 was warmer than the Z1 after finishing these tests.
Advantages of the Z1
Better Battery life
Better camera images in good light conditions
Louder speaker
SD card
more premium feel
doesn't get warm as fast
Advantages of the Nexus5
Android 4.4
Better camera images in low light conditions
better viewing angel
smaller and lighter
Both were as good in
Screen quality
Performance
Here is video showing detailed comparision between the Nexus 5 and the Z1 by shem2409 who came up with similar conclusion.
I don't see the nexus 5 significantly better in anyway compared to my Z1 or SGS4. And the 4.4 update doesn't seem to add much (the Z1 doesn't lack anything compared to the nexus 5) 4.3 and 4.4 mostly added performance improvements which won't really benefit us (Z1 users). The Z1 is already powerful enough and I didn't see it lag or stutter not even once. and I couldn't see any differences between the Z1 and Nexus 5 overall performance. 4.4 will benefit low end and mid range phones more than high end ones. We might benefit from battery improvement more than performance improvement.

One more thing...
You did interesting thing but...
4.4 Android is optimised whole lot better than 4.2.2 and you'll get better results when Sony release 4.4 for Z1.
So, if you now think they are similar devices - you can be sure that Z1 powered by KitKat will be faster and smoother than Nexus.
That's all theoretically for now but I'm 100% sure Z1 will become even better device on 4.4...
Sent from my Z1

ahomad said:
I have just got my Nexus 5 few hours ago, and I thought I would give a quick comparison between the Nexus 5 and the Xperia Z1 while waiting for more in depth comparisons from tech sites. I will keep it short and informative.
Look, Feel and size
The Nexus is alot lighter and smaller but the Z1 is more premium. This doesn't mean that the Nexus looks cheap. the Nexus is very good and the Z1 is excellent in the feel but the Nexus is better when looking at the size or weight.
Performance
Benchmarks
I know it means nothing bla bla bla, but people still wants to see them
antutu benchmark X nexus ~26000, Z1 ~35000
quadrant nexus ~8700, Z1 ~21000
sunspider nexus 745ms, Z1 694ms
I am not sure why the nexus 5 scored less (consideribly less for antutu and quadrant) but I think it has to do with ROM stability as the nexus 5 was turned on for the first time few hours ago.
Real life
just done few tests on opening various websites and apps. the Nexus was milliseconds faster on opening almost all websites except one or two where both phones were as fast. However, opening apps were of the same speed for both phones. (keep in mind that the Z1 has alot going in the background while the nexus was clean)
Screen
I tried viewing various photos and videos but couldn't really say which is better. Some photos were better on the Nexus while other were better on the Z1.
the viewing angle were significantly better in the Nexus, but not perfect though.
The brightness is so much better on the Nexus 5. 100% in the Z1 = 40% in the Nexus 5. I am not sure if this because of the recent update which brought the brightness down for the Z1. Anyway, this is not big issue for me, I have my Z1 at 25% all of the time. But again this would probably mean better viewing in sunlight for the Nexus.
Camera
This is quite hard, I do need some more time to say which is better. But initially, the Nexus has better low light image (the images are softer which has advantage of less noise and disadvantage of less details) but the colors are more accurate in the nexus as well. in good light conditions, the Z1 is better in every way.
Speaker
tried playing various sounds in youtube and the Z1 is Alot louder and of better quality than the Nexus.
Battery
I didn't have time to test the battery life of the nexus of course. However, during testing the previous things, the Z1 dropped ~%25 while the Nexus dropped ~%40. Again, I know that the battery tends to get better after couple of charges but the Z1 had lots of apps installed and lots working in the background while the Nexus was clean. Additionally, the Nexus was in airplane mode while the Z1 had the radio working. all in all, I would say the Z1 battery would be better as expected by the battery size and hopefully it will get better after getting 4.4
if anyone wants me to test anything else, please let me know as I will probably be sending this phone tomorrow as I don't see it significantly better in anyway compared to my Z1 or SGS4. And the 4.4 update doesn't seem to add much (the Z1 doesn't lack anything compared to the nexus 5) 4.3 and 4.4 mostly added performance improvements which won't really benefit us (Z1 users). The Z1 is already powerful enough and I didn't see it lag or stutter not even once. and I couldn't see any differences between the Z1 and Nexus 5 overall performance. 4.4 will benefit low end and mid range phones more than high end ones. We might benefit from battery improvement more than performance improvement.
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Thanks for the review/... It seemed to confirm quite a few things about it... BTW, are you in the UK? I'm willing to buy it off you

funky0308 said:
One more thing...
You did interesting thing but...
4.4 Android is optimised whole lot better than 4.2.2 and you'll get better results when Sony release 4.4 for Z1.
So, if you now think they are similar devices - you can be sure that Z1 powered by KitKat will be faster and smoother than Nexus.
That's all theoretically for now but I'm 100% sure Z1 will become even better device on 4.4...
Sent from my Z1
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I totally agree with you Z1 runs 4.2 while Nexus runs 4.4 and both are using the same chipset. So there is advatage for the nexus but the Z1 performs on the same level.
I do agree that the Z1 will get faster with 4.4 but I am not sure about smoother because it is already smooth to the highest level, I am not sure if it can get any smoother. in the past we used to look for performance boost from the hardware and the software sides to get smoother phone. But now we won't notice any improvement to the smoothness. what we will get from better software or hardware is just faster loading time of apps, websites, movies ... etc. But still your point is valid +1

Sean473 said:
Thanks for the review/... It seemed to confirm quite a few things about it... BTW, are you in the UK? I'm willing to buy it off you
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you are more than welcome. I am in the UK, and ordered two nexus 5 and willing to sell both unopened

ahomad said:
you are more than welcome. I am in the UK, and ordered two nexus 5 and willing to sell both unopened
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What colour and size? I just need 1 and looking for 32GB one...

ahomad said:
The brightness is so much better on the Nexus 5. 100% in the Z1 = 40% in the Nexus 5. I am not sure if this because of the recent update which brought the brightness down for the Z1. Anyway, this is not big issue for me, I have my Z1 at 25% all of the time. But again this would probably mean better viewing in sunlight for the Nexus.
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Did you untick adapt lighting condition in the settings on the Z1? makes a big difference...

Thanks for review, Xperia z1 is a really good device
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pham077 said:
Did you untick adapt lighting condition in the settings on the Z1? makes a big difference...
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Thanks for the tip. I always use auto brightness (forgot to turn it off). Now the brightness is almost equal and will the update the original topic

Sean473 said:
What colour and size? I just need 1 and looking for 32GB one...
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I have 16 and 32gb black ones

ahomad said:
Thanks for the tip. I always use auto brightness (forgot to turn it off). Now the brightness is almost equal and will the update the original topic
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Thanks! Got me worried a little if the difference was that huge lol

Thanks for testing!
Great to see that the Z1 is still the fastest Snapdragon 800 phone around (and yes: I am one of those benchmark lovers ).
The performance difference in Antutu really is impressive though, and that's although the Z1 has a slightly lower maximum clock than the Nexus (2,15 vs 2,3 GHz). It is probably for the same reason as with the LG G2: Thermal management.
Sony allows for the Z1 to run quite hot and the phone is bigger and does better at dissipating the heat, therefore the CPU is not clocked down during benchmarks.
You could try placing both phones in your refrigerator and repeat the Antutu test just for the fun if it, scores should be up by some 100 points

That was the case with the Nexus 4 too, due to thermal management it scored lower than the Z despite having the same hardware.
Thanks for the nice review btw.
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I have putted 64Gb SDcard in my Z1 - now everything is fine , also damn huge Akku! I think Z1 is best choise for snapdragon 800 atm imho

Z1 is with your last update? I ask because the camera has received some improvements.

As for me I didn't even considered getting nexus 5. No sdcard slot is a huge deal-braker for me...
Imagine that you want to watch full hd video on your mobile. Thats 11GB, where am I going to put my music in the end?
Its even worse than no led in XZU.
Another thing is that if it wouldnt come out for my ISP in Poland till 27'th then I just wouldn't be able to get it.
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I purchased the Nexus 5 as well. If it somehow trumps the Z1 then I'll just give this phone to my mom, if not: she'll get the N5 as intended
When it came down to it, it was either the Galaxy Note 3, Z1, or the N5. The GN3 suffered from touchwiz and the N5 is still up for debate since I have yet to really use it (used it for a bit when a Google rep came into my best buy store) but I think the Z1 is definitely the way to go. I just can't imagine myself ever using something that doesn't feel as solid as the Z1 in the future. I'm excited to see what Sony does with Kit Kat (hopefully we get it!) But till then, it's a bit pointless to compare the two phones IMO. One is running superior hardware but inferior software (not that 4.2.2 sucks or anything) while the other is running superior software with average hardware (save for the processor).
Both phones are amazing at the end of the day in their own right. But I'm willing to bet that we'll all see the same things said about them when these two phones are compared: people will rave about kit kat and how cheap the N5 is and will complain about viewing angles and price for the Z1.
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I'm really torn between the N5 and the Z1 at the moment... pretty much narrowed it down to those two, since I don't want any Touchwiz/LG crapware on my phone (2 years with an SGS2 is enough). Number one priority is battery life for me, and I thought the Z1 would be great since it had the large 3000 mAh battery, but from what I read that's not really the case. On the other hand my girlfriend's N4 actually has a very decent battery life, despite her using facebook and stuff extensively, so maybe the N5 is actually in a way equal to the Z1. And then of course I don't know when/if Sony releases updates, and do they bring all the 4.4 software goodness?

ahomad said:
Camera
This is quite hard, I do need some more time to say which is better. But initially, the Nexus has better low light image (the images are softer which has advantage of less noise and disadvantage of less details) but the colors are more accurate in the nexus as well. in good light conditions, the Z1 is better in every way.
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Z1 is F2.0 and N5 is F2.4. That's a half stop difference. So Z1 has a 50% bigger aperture size than the N5.
Thus Z1 will get away with shots with 50% faster shutter speed so action shots as well as better low light pics will go to the Z.
You can zoom to about 1.8x with Z1
N5 only has a 2 axis OIS which isn't all that great. Digital stabilisation can beat a 2 axis OIS.
Check this photo comparison between 5s & N5. (scroll down a bit till you see the starbucks coffee) Now check the lobby shot. At first glance the N5 looks better, but zoom into the garden behind and you can see the 5s doing a better job there.
Al this is not to say you cannot get good shots with the N5 or any other camera for that matter.. You can and its a definite improvement over the N4.

OfficerTux said:
Thanks for testing!
Great to see that the Z1 is still the fastest Snapdragon 800 phone around (and yes: I am one of those benchmark lovers ).
The performance difference in Antutu really is impressive though, and that's although the Z1 has a slightly lower maximum clock than the Nexus (2,15 vs 2,3 GHz). It is probably for the same reason as with the LG G2: Thermal management.
Sony allows for the Z1 to run quite hot and the phone is bigger and does better at dissipating the heat, therefore the CPU is not clocked down during benchmarks.
You could try placing both phones in your refrigerator and repeat the Antutu test just for the fun if it, scores should be up by some 100 points
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Jiyeon90 said:
That was the case with the Nexus 4 too, due to thermal management it scored lower than the Z despite having the same hardware.
Thanks for the nice review btw.
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I repeated antutu test on the Nexus 5 today morning while it is cold (left it next to the window where it is so cold here in the UK) and it managed to get higher score ~29500, but still no where near the Z1. I should mention that the nexus 5 got warmer than the Z1 during yesterday and todays tests (although the nexus was colder when I started doing antutu test today as I was using the Z1 to check e-mails and other things before reading you comment and decided to repeat antutu test on both devices).

Sony Xperia Z4, Z4 Tablet, Z4 Compact, Z4 Ultra: Exclusive Leak

So the Z4 Compact phone is going to remain 4.6" display, but being bumped to 1920 x 1080 HD. That is awesome. The 10" tablet specs sound amazing, unfortunately, I prefer the 8" tablet size.
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kandelai said:
So the Z4 Compact phone is going to remain 4.6" display, but being bumped to 1920 x 1080 HD. That is awesome. The 10" tablet specs sound amazing, unfortunately, I prefer the 8" tablet size.
Sony Xperia Z4, Z4 Tablet, Z4 Compact, Z4 Ultra: Exclusive Leak
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a 1080p resolution on a 4.6 display is a total waste. After ~320ppi anything else will just consume more power with no visual benefit.

jug6ernaut said:
a 1080p resolution on a 4.6 display is a total waste. After ~320ppi anything else will just consume more power with no visual benefit.
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I totally agree. I think the current 720p screen is beautiful, and if it means subtracting from the awesome battery life (unless battery specs change in Z4C), then it is a total waste. I think they are doing it for the higher pixel density crowd. It is the only negative potential buyers see on the phone because of the new push for higher resolution. I was even turned off initially thinking it was just another watered down compact phone, until I read the reviews in detail of how awesome the display is and all the other specs.

Ahh to get a Z3C or to wait.
I'm more interested in the new sensor for the camera
So im assuming the 801 to 810 is a huge jump.
Wonder what the battery life will be like too.
Im all for increased battery life

It doesn't sound like a dead cert the the Z4 will be coming out in compact form. Sony does usually skip a model with the compact versions.
But the changes rumored for the regular Z4 will be awesome -- Qi charging, exposed micro USB port, no more dedicated magnetic charging port (which will make cases much simpler). That is basically my list of what could be improved on the Z3. Now if only Sony would tell us it will have Gorilla Glass on both sides :laugh:

So I bought a brand new device day one a month ago and now the successor is announced it's a strange world we're living in....

King p1n said:
Ahh to get a Z3C or to wait.
I'm more interested in the new sensor for the camera
So im assuming the 801 to 810 is a huge jump.
Wonder what the battery life will be like too.
Im all for increased battery life
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Since Sony is producing flagships every 6 months, you can wait forever there will always follow a better one

cyphomatic said:
Since Sony is producing flagships every 6 months, you can wait forever there will always follow a better one
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The Z4 will be the start of yearly flagships

jug6ernaut said:
a 1080p resolution on a 4.6 display is a total waste. After ~320ppi anything else will just consume more power with no visual benefit.
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That's only true if you have average eyesight and you are at least 12" away from the screen. I use my phone and can readily distinguish pixels on my z1c (and its slightly-denser-than-z3c 720p screen) in a variety of situations. There are further issues for rendering most eastern languages, where they can take advantage of >500ppi screens quite easily.
Yes, there are tradeoffs involved, including potentially less battery life, but to say there is "no visual benefit" is simply ignorant. I will welcome the sharper screen, and I know I am not the only one.

jug6ernaut said:
a 1080p resolution on a 4.6 display is a total waste. After ~320ppi anything else will just consume more power with no visual benefit.
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teiglin said:
That's only true if you have average eyesight and you are at least 12" away from the screen. I use my phone and can readily distinguish pixels on my z1c (and its slightly-denser-than-z3c 720p screen) in a variety of situations. There are further issues for rendering most eastern languages, where they can take advantage of >500ppi screens quite easily.
Yes, there are tradeoffs involved, including potentially less battery life, but to say there is "no visual benefit" is simply ignorant. I will welcome the sharper screen, and I know I am not the only one.
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I have better-than-average eyesight (about 20-15), and I can barely distinguish individual pixels on my Z3C, and only when holding it too close to my face to actually use. I would consider anything over 300 PPI good enough, and anything over 350 PPI perfect.
The Z4C being 1080p might be a disappointment if it results in a loss of battery life, but maybe they'll improve their battery tech enough to make up for it. In any case, wireless charging will be very nice to have.

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The Z4 will be the start of yearly flagships
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I keep hearing that but do you have a source?
Personally the upgrades I want to see in the upcoming Z4C/Z5C are:
Wireless charging/ waterproof usb port
Better camera/curved lens/OIS
Atleast 32GB base storage + sd
Better front facing speakers
MORE battery life
I'm fine with 720p at 4.6 but 1080p would be nice if the battery is increased and the hardware is improved to match (Although imagine an 810 with a 720p screen :laugh: )
3GB+ RAM SD 810 or better, yada yada

AK4TAY7BEN said:
I keep hearing that but do you have a source?
Personally the upgrades I want to see in the upcoming Z4C/Z5C are:
Wireless charging/ waterproof usb port
Better camera/curved lens/OIS
Atleast 32GB base storage + sd
Better front facing speakers
MORE battery life
I'm fine with 720p at 4.6 but 1080p would be nice if the battery is increased and the hardware is improved to match (Although imagine an 810 with a 720p screen :laugh: )
3GB+ RAM SD 810 or better, yada yada
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Don't have the link at hand but the same website said last month that's what their source revealed to them.

Well they could always do what AMD and nVidia do.... rebadge old products.... Then Z3 becomes Z4 compact .

mattdm said:
I have better-than-average eyesight (about 20-15), and I can barely distinguish individual pixels on my Z3C, and only when holding it too close to my face to actually use. I would consider anything over 300 PPI good enough, and anything over 350 PPI perfect.
The Z4C being 1080p might be a disappointment if it results in a loss of battery life, but maybe they'll improve their battery tech enough to make up for it. In any case, wireless charging will be very nice to have.
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I also have great eyesight and can easily spot the inferior display. But has anyone compared the Z3C to the One m7? I couldn't believe my own eyes when I compared the same HD YouTube video on each display only to see that the Z3C blew the m7 away! ?

Issemann said:
I also have great eyesight and can easily spot the inferior display. But has anyone compared the Z3C to the One m7? I couldn't believe my own eyes when I compared the same HD YouTube video on each display only to see that the Z3C blew the m7 away! ��
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There are many things to improve (constrast,brightness etc) in a screen and let's hope they focus on these.
Anyway stuff that i want to see in the upcoming Z4C:
-Same footprint device with 4.6-4.8'' screen @ 720p resolution
-S805,3GB ram 32GB storage+SD
-Better camera and if possible OIS
-2800mah battery
-IR Blaster
-Dual sim
-Single covered port for sim/sd card and water resistant USB port so we can find a decent case
-Matte back as in Z3 tablet compact
-And of course Lollipop out of the box

Invalid_GR said:
There are many things to improve (constrast,brightness etc) in a screen and let's hope they focus on these.
Anyway stuff that i want to see in the upcoming Z4C:
-Same footprint 4.6-4.8'' screen size 720p resolution
-S805,3GB ram 32GB storage+SD
-Better camera and if possible OIS
-2800mah battery
-IR Blaster
-Dual sim
-Single covered port for sim/sd card and not protect usb port so we can find a decent case
-Matte back as in Z3 tablet compact
-And of course Lollipop out of the box
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I would buy this phone in a heartbeat.

EYeah ! Lag will be impossible with that Chipset and
720 but I think they will go higher res anyway.
I do not care if the phone is 10mm thick I want at least a
3000 mah battery.
This Z4 if ruggedly built may be a 2 year type phone , so
wonderfully overspecced.
Hope it's rugged Device and fully engineered Camera this time with digital and OIS.
I will pay tops for this, then I won't wish for a Note 4 Compact / Alpha type thing....
Love to see a full 810 in a Compact !
More wattage than HTC Speakers and maybe Kevlar Drivers like tiny studio monitors -already waterproof.

I'm not sure such wish lists of components and features will ever actually fit in such a small phone. But we can dream :laugh:

Actually I think this can be produced given the fact that since 2 years the motherboard is smaller and smaller :thumbup:
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I really hope there is no compact with the next release but If the z4c is real, I'll be broke again.. Damn you Sony!
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Need a comparison z3+ vs Z5 ( Camera, Heat issue)

Hi guys I need to make a decision to sell the z3+ and get the z5, so basically need some camera/ heat comparisons
If you have any samples please post. thanks

Hi mate
I had the Z3 for a good few months before binning it and getting the Z5.
The camera is higher quality in my opinion but the difference isn't massive unless you're looking at a direct comparison. Heat wise the Z5 gets hotter near the NFC logo under load but is cool to the touch most of the time. I find the Z3 got boiling when charging (I had the official Qi charging case) whereas the z5 stays nice and cool.
If heat is a concern, i'd look to get your hands on one before making the 2 year commitment (or whatever your contract/plan is)
Sorry I don't have any comparison shots to hand.
Carl

Actually I didn't like the camera, and definitely there is a heating problem with this phone :/
btw, do I need to buy a rapid/fast charger or the one included in the box does the job?

Z3+ Heat
Naffets said:
Hi mate
I had the Z3 for a good few months before binning it and getting the Z5.
The camera is higher quality in my opinion but the difference isn't massive unless you're looking at a direct comparison. Heat wise the Z5 gets hotter near the NFC logo under load but is cool to the touch most of the time. I find the Z3 got boiling when charging (I had the official Qi charging case) whereas the z5 stays nice and cool.
If heat is a concern, i'd look to get your hands on one before making the 2 year commitment (or whatever your contract/plan is)
Sorry I don't have any comparison shots to hand.
Carl
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Got the z3+ had some heat issues, While charging its just cool, only thing it closes soon while slow motion and AR Effects due to heat. thats the issue. So basically it has the same issue as Z3+?
If so i might stick with the z3+

I will set up my Z5 shortly. I also have a Z3+ that I'm keeping & will try to do a comparison for you after using Z5 for 2/3 days. But few things I can tell you right now
- Z3+ is camera is actually significantly better than Z3/Z2 in auto mode & yes, Z5 camera is also significantly better than Z3+ in auto, but I'll post some pictures for you to decide
- Z3+ is excellent in performance tasks like heavy browsing/multitasking. My S6 simply can't keep up with that. It's quite sad considering the hype it generated. I also regularly get 1 extra hour of SoT from Z3+ compared to S6 (& yes, it's still less than Z2's but we're talking 2015, lollipop, & octa core here). I do browse, stream, & play games a lot, but I don't watch movies on phones.
- Z5 may have better 'sustained' performance due to that extra cooling pipe, which should also answer your heat/AR mask question. I'll follow up on that.

schecter7 said:
I will set up my Z5 shortly. I also have a Z3+ that I'm keeping & will try to do a comparison for you after using Z5 for 2/3 days. But few things I can tell you right now
- Z3+ is camera is actually significantly better than Z3/Z2 in auto mode & yes, Z5 camera is also significantly better than Z3+ in auto, but I'll post some pictures for you to decide
- Z3+ is excellent in performance tasks like heavy browsing/multitasking. My S6 simply can't keep up with that. It's quite sad considering the hype it generated. I also regularly get 1 extra hour of SoT from Z3+ compared to S6 (& yes, it's still less than Z2's but we're talking 2015, lollipop, & octa core here). I do browse, stream, & play games a lot, but I don't watch movies on phones.
- Z5 may have better 'sustained' performance due to that extra cooling pipe, which should also answer your heat/AR mask question. I'll follow up on that.
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awaiting your return.lol

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awaiting your return.lol
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Good to see you brother! Feel free to ask any questions
@JR5968
Heat-wise. Z5 runs at least 5/6 degree C lower than Z3+ performing the same set of heavy tasks (I did 6/7 consecutive Antutu runs with identical starting temp on both). Dual heat pipe FTW - no kidding.
If Z3+ heating is bothering you too much, you should consider Z5. They both have the same SoC & things are not going to run any faster on Z5 (when both are cold/warm), but you'll see a big difference only if you're pushing Z3+ towards its throttling range (which you are as it sounds like). Dual heat pipe aside, Z5 should have some sw optimizations that Z3+ will probably get shortly. It should definitely make a difference.
You should also check out that 'throttle fix' thread on Z3+ forum. It makes a big difference if you go with @nfs2010 's fix. That was our second heat pipe lol If you don't like the fix, get Z5. If you do, just wait for Z6/7!
I'll post some pictures later on.

@schecter7
thanks man.actually I'm most concerned with overall speed as I have no lag what so ever on my Z2 and Z3 so I would hate it on Z5.any comments on general speed and multitasking?
also if u could do some screen comparisons that would be awesome.or comment on it.hows reflectivity?low I hope

@josephnero I've attached some pictures showing Z5 , Z3+, Z2 (left to right, also image enhancement off & default WB on all) screens in action. Z5 screen can get dimmer than the other two - I think. So for normal usage, the slider needs to be set to a higher position to get the same brightness output. Z3+ is the brightest one but I never had to use anywhere near its maximum brightness, so Z5 is totally fine. I'll post some pictures later on to compare sunlight legibility. But so far I haven't had any issue using it outdoor. You probably have to use a screen protector to avoid fingerprints.
Multitasking is great - no hiccups. It can definitely handle heavy tasks better than my Z2. Only occasional lag I have seen is on the MT window while trying to close apps. Surprisingly, it happens more often when there's only one app lol Z3+ had some similar minor bugs that they've fixed with fw updates quite fast. Overall, Z3+ feels a bit faster - UI & camera wise , but it got three updates in four months. So keep an eye on the updates if that concerns you. Z2 & Z3 both are amazing phones, so the bar is quite high - I understand

@schecter7
Thanks man.Awesome job.Z5 seems a bit more reddish but we all know z3 has a cold tint.Also I remember at IFA the sony rep said new camera UI update is coming in november.hopefully it will further Improve the awesome cam

Thanks mate, hope i will stick with the z3+ for now. I don't mind it heats up as long as it does not close the awesome AR Effects/mask
Anyhow thanks for giving the comparisons

There are my samples from Z3+ and Z5.
Z3+
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8aVAm1KMRG-RWh4QS1zcjdXMms/view?usp=sharing (Inteligent Auto)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8aVAm1KMRG-dVFzcHprN0NpV0E/view?usp=sharing (Inteligent Auto)
Z5
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8aVAm1KMRG-ZVFzZ3p2U2Q1ZWM/view?usp=sharing (Inteligent Auto)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8aVAm1KMRG-NUFBTTZwM2x5TTg/view?usp=sharing (Inteligent Auto)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8aVAm1KMRG-alB4MTVVTkJmd3c/view?usp=sharing (Inteligent Auto 23 MPX)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8aVAm1KMRG-dG9wYXlOcnF2ajA/view?usp=sharing (Inteligent Auto 23 MPX)
I am hoping that the new camera UI update in December will improve camera.
About heat. Z5 heats less than Z3+. Only when I am playing heavy games and using AR Effects and AR Mask Z5 heats quicker and gets hot(it doesn't close those camera apps like on Z3+) but in daily use it is little warm. And Z5 works better than Z3+ (although Z3+ works good after 2 updates) but I think Sony will fix that on Z3+ with Android 6. Battery on Z5 is almost the same as on Z3+; slightly better.
Those are main answers on your questions.

Z5 Compact competition? Sharp Aquos XX 2

Recently released with very little fanfare, unsure of global availability.
4.7" display, Snapdragon 808, 3gb RAM, 1080p Display, 2800mha battery, 13 MP camera, Water and dust resistant.
Could call it a Z5 compact pro?
http://gsminsider.com/2015/10/sharp...ecifications-features-price-and-availability/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFyIN6cxuWM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTguV9v9acc

I wouldn't call it a compact pro, snapdragon 808 is far from the 810, the 100 mAh difference won't counter the fact that need it needs to drive four times as many pixels but the IGZO screen might help a bit but I rather go with the IPS screen. While the Z5 series camera seems to have some issues (most likely software) 13MP is a far cry from 23. The RAM is nice but doubt it will do much difference in the long run.
I could maybe see it as an alternative to the Z5C but it is in no way it's superior, it's also IP67 (from what info I can find) which is a far cry from IP65 and IP68 even though Sony has gone back a bit on their marketing for it.

Very nice little phone but like they said above, that FHD display will require more juice to run, despite being IGZO. I seriously don't feel a need for more pixels on the Z5 display, it looks great already and I'd rather the GPU performance and battery life be boosted than just more pixels. It's also a shame about the 16GB internal storage. The RAM is the only real specification that makes me envious, even then I'm quite content with the Z5C multitasking so far. It's great to see another high-spec compact phone though.
What's Sharp's track record with OS updates like? That's the real question here I think. Sony has proven to support their Z series well and we already know they are busy working on the Marshmallow update.

its no competition because sharp only aims for the asian market.

There needs to be more competition in this market. I'm still plenty satisfied with my Z3C and while neither the Z5C nor the Aquos Compact are a big enough step up for me to consider upgrading, I'm glad that another player as entered.
I held an old HTC Incredible S the other day and it felt oh so good! If HTC could just get their heads of out their butts and develop a decent phone again (not a phablet), I would run back to them in a hurry.

boojay said:
I held an old HTC Incredible S the other day and it felt oh so good! If HTC could just get their heads of out their butts and develop a decent phone again (not a phablet), I would run back to them in a hurry.
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I had a Samsung Captivate 5 years ago and remember seeing an Incredible around that time. It really felt amazing in the hand and it made me jealous.
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Woza72 said:
Recently released with very little fanfare, unsure of global availability.
4.7" display, Snapdragon 808, 3gb RAM, 1080p Display, 2800mha battery, 13 MP camera, Water and dust resistant.
Could call it a Z5 compact pro?
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I would be even more interested in the Z5C if it had those specs. I don't understand why the Compact is still the only real flagship in a smaller size. No one else seems interested in competing with Sony.

I'm jealous of the Camara opening speed. Lol
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I actually bought a sharp aquos shv31 that was a hare smaller than my z1 compact, and a beautiful full 1080p display. Problem is they lock the apn to their austrailan market and apparently use some onerous anti-root methods that no one has broken it open. I have to send back as its useless with no data, but I totally love the sharp phone otherwise. I really wish they would put out an unlocked version, as I ended up buying a z5 compact to replace my z1c, and already waiting to hate the fact I'm going to lose most of its features when I unlock/root it.
Damn sony and their drm.

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Very nice little phone but like they said above, that FHD display will require more juice to run, despite being IGZO. I seriously don't feel a need for more pixels on the Z5 display, it looks great already and I'd rather the GPU performance and battery life be boosted than just more pixels. It's also a shame about the 16GB internal storage. The RAM is the only real specification that makes me envious, even then I'm quite content with the Z5C multitasking so far. It's great to see another high-spec compact phone though.
What's Sharp's track record with OS updates like? That's the real question here I think. Sony has proven to support their Z series well and we already know they are busy working on the Marshmallow update.
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Oh shoot, It's cakefish from NotebookReview. I knew your profile icon looked familiar.

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I actually bought a sharp aquos shv31 that was a hare smaller than my z1 compact, and a beautiful full 1080p display. Problem is they lock the apn to their austrailan market and apparently use some onerous anti-root methods that no one has broken it open. I have to send back as its useless with no data, but I totally love the sharp phone otherwise. I really wish they would put out an unlocked version, as I ended up buying a z5 compact to replace my z1c, and already waiting to hate the fact I'm going to lose most of its features when I unlock/root it.
Damn sony and their drm.
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Yes, I also owned Z1c and Z5c now. Was also looking forward on sharp phones but nowadays they are very hard to root, so a no go to me.

Z5C is still your main\only phone?

i have my Z5C from 2016 (now rooted)
im still happy with him most of the time, beside indoor \lowlight photos
on average most flagship 2019 its only twice faster(benchmarks),
i dont feel its worth upgrade yet (my usage is mostly music\gps\whatsapp , camera once in a while, rarely games
i had thought about buy the S10E i prefer small phones with stereo frontal speakers but still expensive
you still have Z5C as main?
if not? what did you have now?

I still have it as main, but i'm thinking about upgrading to XZ1 Compact.

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I still have it as main, but i'm thinking about upgrading to XZ1 Compact.
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why do you want sony again? (z5c its my 2nd sony phone, i had LiveWithWalkman (W19A) before
but they barely updating their phones and the speakers not as loud anymore
example all google pixels got android 9 now even the oldest pixel 1, while z5's is only 7.1

Superrman said:
why do you want sony again? (z5c its my 2nd sony phone, i had LiveWithWalkman (W19A) before
but they barely updating their phones and the speakers not as loud anymore
example all google pixels got android 9 now even the oldest pixel 1, while z5's is only 7.1
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I want sony again because: 1. The software is great 2. i am still happy with the compact form factor 3. they are very durable, Sony cares a lot about battery lifespan and general build quality wich is a huge deal for me. My 5 year old xperia m2 is still getting my dad through the day without needing to replace the battery, and the same thing is going on with my current z5 compact. Meanwhile i keep seeing 2 year old Xiaomis, huawei and iPhones having battery degradation issues all the time. Also, there is no way of breaking or bending these bricks. 4. I don't like the shady stuff going on with chinese brands like huawei, oppo, etc. 5. i am going to repeat point 2... there isn't an alternative... s10e? too expensive and i don't like the software (Not to mention that it's still a lot bigger and it has worse battery performance). mi a2 lite? hate the notch, don't like the brand much and most importantly it's an outdated low end phone. Pixel 3a? still much bigger, but would've been a nice choice... if it didn't have worse cpu and battery.
These are the only "current" compact phones, and except for the s10e wich i don't like... they are all over-all worse than the xz1c.
barely updating their phones? they are still giving you 2 years of fast updates, and honestly... i don't care much about them. Maybe the xz1c won't receive android q but i'll put aosp extended on it anyways. Treble Support means you are going to get lots of custom roms. You don't have to fight with non-existent drivers like for the Z5c. Oreo and Pie fully working on Z5c? almost impossible. Android Q on xz1c? no problems.
The z5 received lollipop, marshmallow and nougat. the pixel received nougat, oreo and pie. It's the same number of major updates so far. Most brands don't even reach 2 major updates... i really don't understand why you are criticizing one of the better aspects of sony phones by comparing it with google phones that are the best in the market for that...
the speakers... i use them once per week, i mostly use headphones. And... the xz1 compact still has the headphone jack. Also, you are complaining about loud-ness, not sound quality. Wich is still top notch. If i need loud speakers, i'll just buy a 20€ bluetooth speaker.
i think the camera it's a much higher issue, but again i don't use it that much and photos get compressed when you send them anyways...
tl:dr : i am going to buy the xz1 compact because it's my only choice, and it's still a great phone.
i absolutely LOVE the z5 compact, the issues i have with it are: heating and low battery performance (also, lack of stable custom roms excluding LineageOS, the xz1c already has stable aex wich is my favourite)
By buying the xz1c i am completely eliminating these issues while keeping the same size and design (and getting an overall much better device).
woah i wrote a lot more than expected.

TheVan28 said:
I want sony again because: 1. The software is great 2. i am still happy with the compact form factor 3. they are very durable, Sony cares a lot about battery lifespan and general build quality wich is a huge deal for me. My 5 year old xperia m2 is still getting my dad through the day without needing to replace the battery, and the same thing is going on with my current z5 compact. Meanwhile i keep seeing 2 year old Xiaomis, huawei and iPhones having battery degradation issues all the time. Also, there is no way of breaking or bending these bricks. 4. I don't like the shady stuff going on with chinese brands like huawei, oppo, etc. 5. i am going to repeat point 2... there isn't an alternative... s10e? too expensive and i don't like the software (Not to mention that it's still a lot bigger and it has worse battery performance). mi a2 lite? hate the notch, don't like the brand much and most importantly it's an outdated low end phone. Pixel 3a? still much bigger, but would've been a nice choice... if it didn't have worse cpu and battery.
These are the only "current" compact phones, and except for the s10e wich i don't like... they are all over-all worse than the xz1c.
barely updating their phones? they are still giving you 2 years of fast updates, and honestly... i don't care much about them. Maybe the xz1c won't receive android q but i'll put aosp extended on it anyways. Treble Support means you are going to get lots of custom roms. You don't have to fight with non-existent drivers like for the Z5c. Oreo and Pie fully working on Z5c? almost impossible. Android Q on xz1c? no problems.
The z5 received lollipop, marshmallow and nougat. the pixel received nougat, oreo and pie. It's the same number of major updates so far. Most brands don't even reach 2 major updates... i really don't understand why you are criticizing one of the better aspects of sony phones by comparing it with google phones that are the best in the market for that...
the speakers... i use them once per week, i mostly use headphones. And... the xz1 compact still has the headphone jack. Also, you are complaining about loud-ness, not sound quality. Wich is still top notch. If i need loud speakers, i'll just buy a 20€ bluetooth speaker.
i think the camera it's a much higher issue, but again i don't use it that much and photos get compressed when you send them anyways...
tl:dr : i am going to buy the xz1 compact because it's my only choice, and it's still a great phone.
i absolutely LOVE the z5 compact, the issues i have with it are: heating and low battery performance (also, lack of stable custom roms excluding LineageOS, the xz1c already has stable aex wich is my favourite)
By buying the xz1c i am completely eliminating these issues while keeping the same size and design (and getting an overall much better device).
woah i wrote a lot more than expected.
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good review, its also easy to unlock and root the 2nd reason why is ive got another sony, on battery life my battery is still good, but also overheating forgot about the 2 giga RAM every big apps are closing
now im on linage 14.1 with google camera(max 8MP but still very good) and improved UX\GUI speed overall
i also prefer small factor (one hand operate +small in the pocket) xz1c is great idea,but where i live i can get for about 300euro (or ebay for about the same price) other down sides , its: 1 camera (no telephone and wide), body to screen ratio ,
btw why not xz2c? because it abit bigger?

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btw why not xz2c? because it abit bigger?
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There are lots of reasons why i think xz2c is worse... i don't even know where to start.
1. Worse battery life and overall efficiency
2. Performance on the xz2c is only like... a fraction of a second faster at opening apps, gaming? well, because of the lower resolution the xz1 compact runs smoother and less power hungry...
3. Custom roms: xz1c already has LineageOS and AEX wich i love. Both roms are available oreo and pie and AEX on oreo also supports gcam (with hdr this time). XZ2c? Only OmniRom pie so far. Also i bet that when official updates end for the xz1c (it's happening very soon) we will start seeing even more roms.
4. Headphone jack
5. well... the bigger screen means that not only when watching videos you get black bars but... i read somewhere that when watching 16:9 videos, they are acutually bigger on xz1c. I prefer a standard 16:9 screen. Having that bit of more space means you will have to stretch your thumb much more to reach the notification panel.
6. I don't like the new design, it's too thick.
7. Fingerprint scanner at the side is better
8. Much higher price
9. No wide angle front camera
For me, it's only cons. The rear camera is better but i rarely use it anyways.

thanks!
i didnt think about screen the 16:9 ratio even if ill buy s10e the 5.8 screen will be about like 5.2" because the blackbars anyway, also i dont like notches and punch-holes
i agree on the headphone jack and the finger scan also, i didnt notice that
anyway you are right x1zc its a good purchase, and upgrade over the z5c, i would bought the xz1c too, but i think 300 euro it abit expensive for 2yr old phone even if its high end didnt found 2nd hand, (if ill find cheaper ill buy)
(my z5c was about 800 euro when it was new)
they rarely make's any high-end small flagship phones anymore, sony was the last one to do so

I'm considering a xz2 compact because my z5c lacks performance and battery-life (even with a fresh install of MROM, which is a lot better then lineage). Also my rear camera broke.
What i don't like about the xz2c is the curved display (protectors don't fit) and the bad sd-card performance (i'm using a 400gb card quite heavily).
I also don't like that for the same money (~400€) i could get a technically far superior s8, but it's just a lot bigger.
Not sure which way to go.
The xz1c also might be a nice replacement at a good price.

TheVan28 said:
I still have it as main, but i'm thinking about upgrading to XZ1 Compact.
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Do it. That's EXACTLY what I did
Best thing about it is that XZ1 Compact vs Z5 Compact is that it doesn't "scream in pain" if you work it hard

I still have it. Tried last week S10e but sent it back because no FM-radio function (tried everything) and did not work well with 2014 WV car bluetooth as media player.
Changed Z5C battery lately (because the old lasted only 4-5 hours), it cost 70€. No better results until I factory reset pfone and then got 20-28 hours with average usage. So still happy with Sony, photos are crap but it's small and does all I need.

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I still have it. Tried last week S10e but sent it back because no FM-radio function
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can't you just use internet radio? it's even better than regular fm in sound quality and never has artifacts

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can't you just use internet radio? it's even better than regular fm in sound quality and never has artifacts
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I don"t have internet access in cellars where I'm often being working and by using streaming over mobile data, the battery lasts about 3x less than using FM radio over FM radiowaves.