Pretty much what the title says.
Probable reasons:
Want to start fresh with Oreo
Out of habit with previous phones and major updates
It's a major release, YES.
Good you asked, this place is going to be full of idiots who don't wipe asking why they're having this problem or that.
joe3681 said:
It's a major release, YES.
Good you asked, this place is going to be full of idiots who don't wipe asking why they're having this problem or that.
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Given the news oreo has been scraped, your best to just revert to N as oreo won't be getting any security updates
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Given the news oreo has been scraped, your best to just revert to N as oreo won't be getting any security updates
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Will I be able to downgrade from Oreo to Nougat using Odin without triggering Knox? Samsung Pay is essential to me.
You could get a reset before updating to Oreo. In this way, you will update on a clean phone. It is list installing an OS for the first time.
I didn't do a reset and i have had zero problem after a week now.
It's not a requirement, but yes, it's advised to do a factory reset after a major update like this.
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Given the news oreo has been scraped, your best to just revert to N as oreo won't be getting any security updates
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It hasn't been scrapped. Telling people to downgrade back to Nougat is crazy....
Samsung themselves said those who already have this Oreo build are ok to remain on it. It will be updated in due course.
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It's not a requirement, but yes, it's advised to do a factory reset after a major update like this.
It hasn't been scrapped. Telling people to downgrade back to Nougat is crazy....
Samsung themselves said those who already have this Oreo build are ok to remain on it. It will be updated in due course.
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Where samsung says this? i see only on a certain fan site of sammy
in fact some people install it and doesn't exists the oreo firmware for that country so how samsung can update
E.x. ITV Italy no brand no had oreo but flashing will be Oreo with itv/itv/itv
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It's not a requirement, but yes, it's advised to do a factory reset after a major update like this.
It hasn't been scrapped. Telling people to downgrade back to Nougat is crazy....
Samsung themselves said those who already have this Oreo build are ok to remain on it. It will be updated in due course.
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...I think the action to cancel world rollout speaks volumes; i.e. samsung themselve lacks confidence in their own product...
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mdfpido said:
Will I be able to downgrade from Oreo to Nougat using Odin without triggering Knox? Samsung Pay is essential to me.
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i have no idea , sorry.
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...I think the action to cancel world rollout speaks volumes; i.e. samsung themselve lacks confidence in their own oreo cookie...
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i have no idea , sorry.
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It looks as though a newer version is in the works. Saw the article today, but that didn't come from Samsung but Sammobile.
I think Samsung prevented a more catastrophic PR incident if it rolled out a buggy Oreo firmware to more countries. Buggy might be too harsh given the fact that I like what I'm getting out of it in terms of overall smoothness and speed but that's what I feel. Lots of missing features like that 3D Touch contextual menu when you long-press on an icon. App Info and other options are missing. I'm sure there are more that only Samsung knows.
Call me crazy conspiracy theorist but I think that FXXXU1CRAP or something like that firmware was not intended to be released but somehow it did.
It was progressively released in many markets. It wasn't a mistake.
Still, after a such a beta program to have to rollback the update is a face-palm
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...I think the action to cancel world rollout speaks volumes; i.e. samsung themselve lacks confidence in their own product...
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No, they pulled it because some people were experiencing random reboots, that's all. They just want to fix those before rolling out to other countries.
No need for tinfoil hats.
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No, they pulled it because some people were experiencing random reboots, that's all. They just want to fix those before rolling out to other countries.
No need for tinfoil hats.
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theres far more issues then that from the research ive done...
Anyways, your reason alone is enough to keep a guy like me on N
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theres far more issues then that from the research ive done...
Anyways, your reason alone is enough to keep a guy like me on N
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I've been on Oreo CRAP since release and had absolutely no issues. No reboots, not issues at all. Not sure what research you've done, but yea....I'm more than happy with it.
Even the betas were flawless.
jkolner said:
I didn't do a reset and i have had zero problem after a week now.
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Me too
"Research" = I believe random **** I read on the internet.
eventually do you suggest the factory reset or not?
Related
http://android.clients.google.com/p...0/1506bdf2e04b.update-SPH-D700_DI18ToDK28.zip
Thats the raw file from Sprint and Google this is not rooted and will break recovery
isn't this the same as the one that being posted everywhere else?
Yes.. Lol...
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Exactly which there is a 99 % chance of it being a RC since it's still very buggy and flawed, nevermind the fact google is hosting it.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk
of course sprint is calling this a leaked experimental release. But i give them credit for at least making moves in the right direction for froyo. I see alot of happy users so far with minor issues.
styckx said:
Exactly which there is a 99 % chance of it being a RC since it's still very buggy and flawed, nevermind the fact google is hosting it.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using Tapatalk
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'thats right from SPRINT people jeez IT IS THE FINAL release goto your sprint account then to your phone support see what it says!!!
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'thats right from SPRINT people jeez IT IS THE FINAL release goto your sprint account then to your phone support see what it says!!!
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And what does it say for you?
The only things I can find on Sprint's site -- the most recent posts from Sprint admin as of last night -- expressly deny that there has been an offical update:
The official Sprint version of the upgrade has not been released. When it is, I will post a thread to the Samsung Epic forum and update the Samsung Epic Maintenance Release blog. If you want to receive a notification when it's available, subscribe to the blog.
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This is what my sprint account says:
Version
Date released
Description of enhancements/fixes
S700.05S.DI18 9/30/2010 This update fixes:
- Device not going into sleep mode when using Wi-Fi
- Amazon MP3 not downloading in 4G
- Bluetooth root issue
- Large email lag in upload speeds
- Code to enable faster 3G upload speeds
S700.05S.DI07 9/16/2010
This update:
- Adds Samsung Media Hub
- Fixes 4G de-registration when activating mobile hotspot
S700.0.5S.DG27
8/30/2010
Initial Release
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Nothing at all about dk28
no more GPS?
I don't see anything at all on my Sprint page about this update or even anything specific to the version of software on my phone.
I installed this update earlier today and the GPS on my phone no longer works. It worked before and I never noticed any problems or delays that others reported. I've tried wiping the data and cache numerous times and even re-installing the upgrade but nothing seems to work.
Does anyone have any other suggestions on what I might try? At this point I question whether or not this is the same update we'll receive OTA...
Thanks,
Scott
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I don't see anything at all on my Sprint page about this update or even anything specific to the version of software on my phone.
I installed this update earlier today and the GPS on my phone no longer works. It worked before and I never noticed any problems or delays that others reported. I've tried wiping the data and cache numerous times and even re-installing the upgrade but nothing seems to work.
Does anyone have any other suggestions on what I might try? At this point I question whether or not this is the same update we'll receive OTA...
Thanks,
Scott
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PEople have had this issue including myself. The update is rolling out state by state units hardware 4 first then 5 should be started later today.
I had to ODIN back to di18 to get my GPS to lock now its amazingly accurate
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PEople have had this issue including myself. The update is rolling out state by state units hardware 4 first then 5 should be started later today.
I had to ODIN back to di18 to get my GPS to lock now its amazingly accurate
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Can you please write the exact steps to follow and give links to the files you used?? ie pit/odin/.md5
Also did you do a complete wipe or not? if not complete wipe.. which .md5 file you used. Thanks !
rjmjr69 said:
PEople have had this issue including myself. The update is rolling out state by state units hardware 4 first then 5 should be started later today.
I had to ODIN back to di18 to get my GPS to lock now its amazingly accurate
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So you think Sprint's plan is to push this update to everyone OTA and then have all the end-users install Odin and fix it? Even while denying that there is such a release? Hilarious!
This is not an official rollout. It is a leak. Those who install it, and are comfortable with some level of hacking, may proceed at their own risk, as usual.
But no one should believe this is an official release from Sprint.
hardrock121 said:
Can you please write the exact steps to follow and give links to the files you used?? ie pit/odin/.md5
Also did you do a complete wipe or not? if not complete wipe.. which .md5 file you used. Thanks !
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That would be great.
Is it actually worthwhile to update from dk17 to dk29? I'm not really having any issues on dk17. Might just wait to confirm its final before going through the reinstall process.
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So you think Sprint's plan is to push this update to everyone OTA and then have all the end-users install Odin and fix it? Even while denying that there is such a release? Hilarious!
This is not an official rollout. It is a leak. Those who install it, and are comfortable with some level of hacking, may proceed at their own risk, as usual.
But no one should believe this is an official release from Sprint.
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Um.. That makes no since..
He had to odin BACK to di18 because he installed a leak..
the official is based off the knowledge of the user never hacking the phone and leaving it stock.
Therefore; no the average user will not need to use odin.. infact won't even know about it.
But those who have come to xda WILL need to odin back to stock di18 in order for the official Froyo to work when it is launched.
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So you think Sprint's plan is to push this update to everyone OTA and then have all the end-users install Odin and fix it? Even while denying that there is such a release? Hilarious!
This is not an official rollout. It is a leak. Those who install it, and are comfortable with some level of hacking, may proceed at their own risk, as usual.
But no one should believe this is an official release from Sprint.
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Why did you edit your post and remove the link? and what proof do you have to say its not final?
Why did you remove your links and??? this is your original post below
And what does it say for you?
*The only things I can find on Sprint's site* -- the most recent posts from Sprint admin as of last night (http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/237583#237583) -- *expressly deny that there has been an offical update*:
"The official Sprint version of the upgrade has not been released. When it is, I will post a thread to the Samsung Epic forum and update the Samsung Epic Maintenance Release blog (http://community.sprint.com/baw/com.../2010/11/08/samsung-epic-maintenance-releases). If you want to receive a notification when it's available, subscribe to the blog.
boomerbubba said:
So you think Sprint's plan is to push this update to everyone OTA and then have all the end-users install Odin and fix it? Even while denying that there is such a release? Hilarious!
This is not an official rollout. It is a leak. Those who install it, and are comfortable with some level of hacking, may proceed at their own risk, as usual.
But no one should believe this is an official release from Sprint.
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Suppose you got an update OTA. Wouldn't you consider it official?
If you have followed the original thread (which has been closed), the update happened OTA to a non-Sprint person. That is why many people claim it's official.
Why would Samsung release DK28 as official Froyo full of bugs when their Eclair builds were flawless? It doesn't make any sense. I sure wish people would stop saying that this is the official release and confusing new people. This is NOT the official release. There is NO evidence for that. Its NOT a finished product at this point.
acegolfer said:
Suppose you got an update OTA. Wouldn't you consider it official?
If you have followed the original thread (which has been closed), the update happened OTA to a non-Sprint person. That is why many people claim it's official.
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UGH. How many times does this need to be explained? He had a .4 hardware revision. .4 hardware revisions are for TESTERS. He received the update OTA because SOMEHOW he got ahold of a hardware revision that only TESTERS should have. This has all been discussed a thousand times.
Also, if this WAS the official release it would be a disaster for sprint.
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Why did you edit your post and remove the link? and what proof do you have to say its not final?
Why did you remove your links and??? this is your original post below
And what does it say for you?
*The only things I can find on Sprint's site* -- the most recent posts from Sprint admin as of last night (http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/237583#237583) -- *expressly deny that there has been an offical update*:
"The official Sprint version of the upgrade has not been released. When it is, I will post a thread to the Samsung Epic forum and update the Samsung Epic Maintenance Release blog (http://community.sprint.com/baw/com.../2010/11/08/samsung-epic-maintenance-releases). If you want to receive a notification when it's available, subscribe to the blog.
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I didn't remove the link. It still works. But the Sprint site is very slow today. If you manage to get through, you will see that the quote above is accurate.
Here is a download for the 5.0.2 soak test from Motorola for XT1053 devices. I have not tried this yet, I received this from a friend who reported it successfully working on his device.
I do not take responsibility if this file bricks, destroys, or sets fire to your phone. Use this at your own risk. I have not tested this file, therefore I cannot confirm that it works.
If you do venture to try this, please report back.
[Someone has already posted this on the other thread, removed]
[MOD EDIT:]SHAME SHAME SHAME. Signing an NDA means you're agreeing to not share details of the special program you are in.
This has been removed at the request of Motorola due to your negligence in violating the terms of your agreement.
[DARKTERMIT EDIT:]I'm not signed NDA
Screenshots
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i smell this
habusho said:
i smell this
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It's likely coming. But at least I'm not breaking the NDA, my friend is. Probably won't matter. I'm getting it out while I can.
Bigluc said:
It's likely coming. But at least I'm not breaking the NDA, my friend is. Probably won't matter. I'm getting it out while I can.
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Nothing good will come out of this, please remove it. The ones installing this will likely have issues further updating.
Just wait a few more days (after 4 months a few days seem like nothing).
alexferdean said:
Nothing good will come out of this, please remove it. The ones installing this will likely have issues further updating.
Just wait a few more days (after 4 months a few days seem like nothing).
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how exactly is patching a factory zip update complicating future updates?
DrDecoy said:
how exactly is patching a factory zip update complicating future updates?
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The OTA updates, including soak/beta or whatever you want to call pre-release received via the Moto Feedback Network, and those pushed by the carriers, have pre-flash validation checks in them.
They check for certain things in build.prop, particular files (and checks their hash/check sum), etc. IF your phone doesn't match, the OTA wont install. In addition, with the OTA's and these leaked ZIPs including updates to GPT.BIN and the bootloader, and history showing how easy it is to brick trying to downgrade when those are involved, that could complicate trying to get back on track should Moto or the Carriers push something else out.
A while back, I think it was the Droid X, there were leaked updates, people were flashing them, they were not meant to be released and the people who installed them got STUCK unable to update for a while. It was a while ago, so my memory is fuzzy, but a process was finally found, but it took a while, and a few updates, to bring those people back in line. And it was a little more difficult due to locked bootloaders.
So practicing a little caution is a good thing.
Bigluc said:
It's likely coming. But at least I'm not breaking the NDA, my friend is. Probably won't matter. I'm getting it out while I can.
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Nice way to justify leaking stolen software. Always amusing to see wanna-be devs pirating someone else's work and somehow justifying it to themselves.
KidJoe,
One person can update his bootloader, others supplied with system partition backups don't have to. Deployed Android doesn't require updated motoboot, or secure things. You know what I mean...
But hey, it's illegal, firstly. And secondly, let's not spoil Motorola good intentions to bring us the latest Android, and quickly. Sooon )
Can you post a link to the new post with the file?
s5610 said:
KidJoe,
One person can update his bootloader, others supplied with system partition backups don't have to. Deployed Android doesn't require updated motoboot, or secure things. You know what I mean...
But hey, it's illegal, firstly. And secondly, let's not spoil Motorola good intentions to bring us the latest Android, and quickly. Sooon )
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Quickly is not the right word when it has being months of LP being out.
sorullo_xgrx said:
Quickly is not the right word when it has being months of LP being out.
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I'm with Motorola on this one.
You should see s4 after lollipop update.
The battery gives Hardly 1 hour of screen time.
It has rendered the phone unusable.
At least we are getting a reasonably stable update.
Also getting features from new flagship.
Who does that
DrDecoy said:
how exactly is patching a factory zip update complicating future updates?
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Besides other things the bootloader gets updated. It's not so easy to go back to 4.4.4.
s5610 said:
KidJoe,
One person can update his bootloader, others supplied with system partition backups don't have to. Deployed Android doesn't require updated motoboot, or secure things. You know what I mean...
But hey, it's illegal, firstly. And secondly, let's not spoil Motorola good intentions to bring us the latest Android, and quickly. Sooon )
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Actaully, based on history with the 2013 X...
That doesn't always work right. i.e. When it was found that 4.4.2 broke MotoWpNoMo and SlapMyMoto, some tried upgrading by flashing only PARTS of the 4.4.2 rom (so they could roll back).. They ran into features not working, like App Drawer -> Settings -> Security.
We've seen other issues arise when partially flashing too, but they were a while back so my memory is a little fuzzy on the specific details.
I flashed it days ago.... My phone is fine
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I flashed it days ago.... My phone is fine
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Quick question are you on T-Mobile. Do you have the 4g LTE or just 4g on the status bar?
sorullo_xgrx said:
Quick question are you on T-Mobile. Do you have the 4g LTE or just 4g on the status bar?
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I'm on T-Mobile with the xt1053 and no I do not have the LTE signal BUT I do have LTE when looking in phone settings... I've heard everyone saying the same thing
needleyepoke said:
I'm on T-Mobile with the xt1053 and no I do not have the LTE signal BUT I do have LTE when looking in phone settings... I've heard everyone saying the same thing
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Yeah same here, I wonder if moto remove the LTE on lollipop but since is just a soak test it not yet implemented , thanks
So are you thinking that after the soak test we will get another update?
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My nexus 5 has it don't know why they wouldn't have it in the moto..I guess it really doesn't bother me as much as not having 5.0
sorullo_xgrx said:
Quick question are you on T-Mobile. Do you have the 4g LTE or just 4g on the status bar?
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I have TMo and the XT1053 and I'm only showing 4G but with LTE speeds. I saw a screenshot on here of someone with what appears to be a special T-Mobile build of the Lollipop soak test with LTE in the signal bars though.
Razgriz said:
I have TMo and the XT1053 and I'm only showing 4G but with LTE speeds. I saw a screenshot on here of someone with what appears to be a special T-Mobile build of the Lollipop soak test with LTE in the signal bars though.
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Probably the actual update and not the first soak test that went live a week ago...
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Man I hate the day lenovo bought motorola, it just felt updates were not gonna be the same.
Android central say there is an update of 174 MB. Did any user got it ?
bikrame said:
Android central say there is an update of 174 MB. Did any user got it ?
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Android Central hmzzz don't believe everything they are saying.
They also said you loose image quality /features in the camera if you unlock the bootloader which isn't true.
Notice any differences in how it operates? No notice of any available update on my device as of yet...
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*justintime* said:
Android Central hmzzz don't believe everything they are saying.
They also said you loose image quality /features in the camera if you unlock the bootloader which isn't true.
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The update is happening...MicroMod777 on the "Disable OTA" thread got it this morning...
*justintime* said:
Android Central hmzzz don't believe everything they are saying.
They also said you loose image quality /features in the camera if you unlock the bootloader which isn't true.
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Some users on their forum also says that. ATT got it 2 days before and we are getting it to.
I hope they move dual window back to back button. Thats all i need.
I have a H815. So i don't think I will receive an update then
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-22421
Pretty sure its true, but ATT's was only like 25mb
What I don't understand as an EU G4 user.
Why does T-mobile provide an update? Is it an update on their software? Or is LG involved?
Are there specific T-mobile apps on it?
I got the update this morning. To answer a couple of questions: No, no new apps. Dual window is still in the same place.
I dont notice anything right offhand different, but I havent done much with my phone yet this morning. Heres a capture of my info:
*justintime* said:
Android Central hmzzz don't believe everything they are saying.
They also said you loose image quality /features in the camera if you unlock the bootloader which isn't true.
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You're kidding - I always thought they knew what they were talking about. Where did they say that?
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What I don't understand as an EU G4 user.
Why does T-mobile provide an update? Is it an update on their software? Or is LG involved?
Are there specific T-mobile apps on it?
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T-Mobile (as well as most carriers) ship out the updates after they've approved the changes. I would imagine this is to ensure that nothing being updated will affected their carrier's included Spam (I mean added software) or network connectivity. Last thing they want is their stores or customer service lines inundated with "help! The update broke my cellular connection!" claims.
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blackangst said:
I got the update this morning. To answer a couple of questions: No, no new apps. Dual window is still in the same place.
I dont notice anything right offhand different, but I havent done much with my phone yet this morning. Heres a capture of my info:
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If you do notice anything of real substance, please post it so that we can know. For now, I think I will avoid connecting to WiFi until I know what this update actually does. I've never been a fan of generic changelogs...
But then it's a little bit strange that the international version. Hasn't got the update.
So you could assume it has to do with their spam apps.
Maybe it fixes the touchscreen issue. I haven't gotten an update yet, and I've switched back to my S5 for now.
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But then it's a little bit strange that the international version. Hasn't got the update.
So you could assume it has to do with their spam apps.
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Could have to do with any number of kernel/lib/framework related items specific to carrier. Could be cellular radio related, WiFi related (wifi calling has been weird on my phone...doesn't want to seem to connect but I have awesome reception where I live, so I don't need it), etc...
Has your version had any updates in last week or two? If so, it might just be that the carriers are just now approving that update and pushing out to the devices.
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You're kidding - I always thought they knew what they were talking about. Where did they say that?
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That is true for certain phones. Like the Sony phones.
Sweet. Pretty quick imo. Look forward to seeing if it fixes some small issues I've been having (touch/tap misses and knock settings). I know knock settings are a longshot, but it would be nice to be able to configure them to each persons liking. I'd love to be able to turn off the "drag one finger down to quick view the clock/status"
I got my update overnight.
Phone updated without any warning or notice when I woke up this morning. CHecked the software version and it was the new one.
I havent noticed any differences as of yet.
Actually I just looked at my phone and already running version h I wonder if from the factory there were two different images
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Th3Bill said:
Could have to do with any number of kernel/lib/framework related items specific to carrier. Could be cellular radio related, WiFi related (wifi calling has been weird on my phone...doesn't want to seem to connect but I have awesome reception where I live, so I don't need it), etc...
Has your version had any updates in last week or two? If so, it might just be that the carriers are just now approving that update and pushing out to the devices.
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No I haven't got any updates on my version (H815).
Got the update and my phone starting shaking and jumping around on my desk. When the update was complete it turned into a Galaxy S6
Since they are already working on root and unlock I wouldn't take the ota just yet. Ive got a replacement on the way so once I get the update I'll take it on the one I'm returning and see if any changes. Ill also do a system dump on the new version too if necessary.
When OF5 came out on Kies I flashed it and waited because I knew that 5.1.1 would be out in just a few weeks and I could live with stock for that long. Then all the tech blogs started breaking stories about new android vulnerabilities. If I'm not mistaken there were 3 new vulnerabilities in the last week, two of which seem like a pretty big deal. Thankfully both Google and Samsung seem to be stepping up to the plate and announced a new monthly update schedule to address these issues. That's a good thing. Now the dilemma:
As we know, you can't get an OTA update on a rooted phone. And Samsung is a bit slow to post updates to Kies and the public. It usually takes 10 days to 2 weeks after an OTA for it to appear, if it does at all. Here's the question:
In this new paradigm do we stay stock to keep current with bug fixes? I know for me it's a tough question. The latest OG5 rom is really good. The only reason I want root at this point is to block ads. Maybe it's time to for me to live with the ads and quit tinkering with the rom. Did I mention OG5 is REALLY good?
Discuss amongst yourselves.
Og5 is rooted now
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Thanks to freeza
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Og5 is rooted now
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Thanks to freeza
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I see that, but that's not my point. Once rooted, you can't take the monthly bug fixes without reflashing totally stock rom. It makes keeping up with monthly patches more difficult.
Not always true and theres no fixes to be done
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poit said:
When OF5 came out on Kies I flashed it and waited because I knew that 5.1.1 would be out in just a few weeks and I could live with stock for that long. Then all the tech blogs started breaking stories about new android vulnerabilities. If I'm not mistaken there were 3 new vulnerabilities in the last week, two of which seem like a pretty big deal. Thankfully both Google and Samsung seem to be stepping up to the plate and announced a new monthly update schedule to address these issues. That's a good thing. Now the dilemma:
As we know, you can't get an OTA update on a rooted phone. And Samsung is a bit slow to post updates to Kies and the public. It usually takes 10 days to 2 weeks after an OTA for it to appear, if it does at all. Here's the question:
In this new paradigm do we stay stock to keep current with bug fixes? I know for me it's a tough question. The latest OG5 rom is really good. The only reason I want root at this point is to block ads. Maybe it's time to for me to live with the ads and quit tinkering with the rom. Did I mention OG5 is REALLY good?
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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I enjoy tinkering. And putting your security in the basket of "Monthly" updates is a hail mary in the first place.
The only reason Samsung could ever give me to stop rooting would be to give us the devices already rooted.
Amen to that
poit said:
When OF5 came out on Kies I flashed it and waited because I knew that 5.1.1 would be out in just a few weeks and I could live with stock for that long. Then all the tech blogs started breaking stories about new android vulnerabilities. If I'm not mistaken there were 3 new vulnerabilities in the last week, two of which seem like a pretty big deal. Thankfully both Google and Samsung seem to be stepping up to the plate and announced a new monthly update schedule to address these issues. That's a good thing. Now the dilemma:
As we know, you can't get an OTA update on a rooted phone. And Samsung is a bit slow to post updates to Kies and the public. It usually takes 10 days to 2 weeks after an OTA for it to appear, if it does at all. Here's the question:
In this new paradigm do we stay stock to keep current with bug fixes? I know for me it's a tough question. The latest OG5 rom is really good. The only reason I want root at this point is to block ads. Maybe it's time to for me to live with the ads and quit tinkering with the rom. Did I mention OG5 is REALLY good?
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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I don't have an answer to that, yet, but it is a good question.
poit said:
I see that, but that's not my point. Once rooted, you can't take the monthly bug fixes without reflashing totally stock rom. It makes keeping up with monthly patches more difficult.
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But it has always been this way. Your choices to get updates were either return to stock or use a custom ROM where the developer incorporated all the latest patches. I think this started either on the S2 or S3.
The OP makes a good point and it's a very good question. Blocking ads is a huge part of the decision to root. I'm the kind of guy that even though ads are blocked in my favorite apps I'll still pay for the full version to support the dev. However, blocking ads on websites saves me bandwidth, loads the pages faster, produces a cleaner web page for which I feel no guilt in blocking those ads. Beyond ad blocking, titanium backup still remains such a huge part of root for me. I know there are non root ways to back up my data but root is still needed to freeze/uninstal bloat ware, restore old versions of apps that got ruined with newer updates, and other such things. Also, being able to tinker with other "preference" type things such as removing the camera shutter sound still makes rooting necessary for me although the gap is closing.
flyhighx said:
The OP makes a good point and it's a very good question. Blocking ads is a huge part of the decision to root. I'm the kind of guy that even though ads are blocked in my favorite apps I'll still pay for the full version to support the dev. However, blocking ads on websites saves me bandwidth, loads the pages faster, produces a cleaner web page for which I feel no guilt in blocking those ads. Beyond ad blocking, titanium backup still remains such a huge part of root for me. I know there are non root ways to back up my data but root is still needed to freeze/uninstal bloat ware, restore old versions of apps that got ruined with newer updates, and other such things. Also, being able to tinker with other "preference" type things such as removing the camera shutter sound still makes rooting necessary for me although the gap is closing.
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You might already know but if your stock phone is on vibrate there is no shutter sound. All very good points on reason to root btw. Ads probably annoy me the most. My note 2 running cm12 loads pages faster than this thing lol. Overclocked as well though.
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KennyG123 said:
But it has always been this way. Your choices to get updates were either return to stock or use a custom ROM where the developer incorporated all the latest patches. I think this started either on the S2 or S3.
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I think what he means is that those patches will now arrive every month. When they arrived every 6 months or more, it wasn't such a big deal. Now, you'd have to flash stock, take the patch OTA, and do whatever you need to once again in order to get the phone back to where you want it -- every month.
So it's tempting not to mess with root now. I already rooted my OG5, so I made my decision. But it's a good question.
DaggettBeaver said:
I think what he means is that those patches will now arrive every month. When they arrived every 6 months or more, it wasn't such a big deal. Now, you'd have to flash stock, take the patch OTA, and do whatever you need to once again in order to get the phone back to where you want it -- every month.
So it's tempting not to mess with root now. I already rooted my OG5, so I made my decision. But it's a good question.
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I see what you both mean. Of course one option is to skip a month or two and get a few updates at a time. Not sure if there are ROMs that will update with every OTA but if so that is another option.
logikzzz said:
I enjoy tinkering. And putting your security in the basket of "Monthly" updates is a hail mary in the first place.
The only reason Samsung could ever give me to stop rooting would be to give us the devices already rooted.
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what he said...
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poit said:
When OF5 came out on Kies I flashed it and waited because I knew that 5.1.1 would be out in just a few weeks and I could live with stock for that long. Then all the tech blogs started breaking stories about new android vulnerabilities. If I'm not mistaken there were 3 new vulnerabilities in the last week, two of which seem like a pretty big deal. Thankfully both Google and Samsung seem to be stepping up to the plate and announced a new monthly update schedule to address these issues. That's a good thing. Now the dilemma:
As we know, you can't get an OTA update on a rooted phone. And Samsung is a bit slow to post updates to Kies and the public. It usually takes 10 days to 2 weeks after an OTA for it to appear, if it does at all. Here's the question:
In this new paradigm do we stay stock to keep current with bug fixes? I know for me it's a tough question. The latest OG5 rom is really good. The only reason I want root at this point is to block ads. Maybe it's time to for me to live with the ads and quit tinkering with the rom. Did I mention OG5 is REALLY good?
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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great discussion subject and start, poit, and great points everybody!!!... thumbz_up!!! ...
I think it's purely a personal decision to take the monthly updates. Almost always I wait for that one person who has to take the update as soon as it comes out and then hear about the issues they have . For instance when OE1 hit, there were many people having big problems. I'm still on OB7 atm and will be doing 2 updated this week now that we have root. I don't see an issue with staying rooted for a while and then just upgraded when you know things are ok. I truly felt for the people having issues on OE1 and wish I could have helped. I too enjoy tinkering and am a flashaholic at heart. Even if the devs don't update every time there is one, I know there will always be something to flash.
pbedard said:
Og5 is rooted now
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Thanks to freeza
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How can I root my N910P?? I've just upgraded to 5.1.1 via official server of Samsung (by S/W Depart ment of Samsung Vietnam)
Honestly I feel like theres close to no reason to root anymore. All the reason I used to root are now baked into stock roms. I'm going to stay unrooted for a while.
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Rooting is about me having the freedom to control the hardware I paid for.
Personally this means control over privacy, resources and security.
After all the issues with carrier and manufacturer spyware and bloat why would I trust them to completely control my freaking phone?
/not a sheep
mr_binthoi said:
How can I root my N910P?? I've just upgraded to 5.1.1 via official server of Samsung (by S/W Depart ment of Samsung Vietnam)
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Check out the "Hello 5.1.1 Root" root thread. It's in the Sprint note 4 General area as is this thread.
poit said:
When OF5 came out on Kies I flashed it and waited because I knew that 5.1.1 would be out in just a few weeks and I could live with stock for that long. Then all the tech blogs started breaking stories about new android vulnerabilities. If I'm not mistaken there were 3 new vulnerabilities in the last week, two of which seem like a pretty big deal. Thankfully both Google and Samsung seem to be stepping up to the plate and announced a new monthly update schedule to address these issues. That's a good thing. Now the dilemma:
As we know, you can't get an OTA update on a rooted phone. And Samsung is a bit slow to post updates to Kies and the public. It usually takes 10 days to 2 weeks after an OTA for it to appear, if it does at all. Here's the question:
In this new paradigm do we stay stock to keep current with bug fixes? I know for me it's a tough question. The latest OG5 rom is really good. The only reason I want root at this point is to block ads. Maybe it's time to for me to live with the ads and quit tinkering with the rom. Did I mention OG5 is REALLY good?
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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poit said:
I see that, but that's not my point. Once rooted, you can't take the monthly bug fixes without reflashing totally stock rom. It makes keeping up with monthly patches more difficult.
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Samsung has agreed to monthly updates, but has Sprint? How long does it take Sprint to push the updates after Samsung has finished them? Months. Even if Samsung builds new systems every week, the choke point is still your carrier.
Every method of gaining root access relies on exploiting vulnerabilities - those monthly patches are designed, at least in part, to make it even more difficult for us to root our devices. I'd be all for that if we already had a way to get root permissions out of the box, but since those vulnerabilities are our only option...
And being unable to get automatic OTA updates is more of a feature than a problem - it gives you the control to choose when to update, and that you can make sure that update won't break more than it fixes (removing root access, for example)
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To some this may seem like a stupid question. I've been doing a lot of research but cannot find a valid solution or answer.
Is there a way to incorporate Android N security patches into Android MM?
I could have sworn last week during my "I'm way too tired to be on my phone" sessions that I came across a web post of a ROM with that very same idea in mind.
Jammol said:
To some this may seem like a stupid question. I've been doing a lot of research but cannot find a valid solution or answer.
Is there a way to incorporate Android N security patches into Android MM?
I could have sworn last week during my "I'm way too tired to be on my phone" sessions that I came across a web post of a ROM with that very same idea in mind.
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Android N security patches are to fix security issues with Android N. The patches wouldn't work on MM.
jhs39 said:
Android N security patches are to fix security issues with Android N. The patches wouldn't work on MM.
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Makes sense but I wonder if it's an issues that's present in Android dating back to a previous version, if it could be implemented on MM.
My main reason for these questions is because of what appears to be the pesky software issue that's bootlooping devices. If it turns out to be software, it would be nice if we could then implement the fix on MM as well done folks are experiencing it on there as well.
Jammol said:
Makes sense but I wonder if it's an issues that's present in Android dating back to a previous version, if it could be implemented on MM.
My main reason for these questions is because of what appears to be the pesky software issue that's bootlooping devices. If it turns out to be software, it would be nice if we could then implement the fix on MM as well done folks are experiencing it on there as well.
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Why not just upgrade to Nougat? It's pretty mature at this point and is getting monthly security updates. Are you using Xposed?
jhs39 said:
Why not just upgrade to Nougat? It's pretty mature at this point and is getting monthly security updates. Are you using Xposed?
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Battery life hasn't been great for me on N. And now with my job being more mobile(on foot) and constantly having to be on my phone, I had to go back to MM just to make it through the day. Thought about getting a Lemon battery pack but turns phone into a giant brick, lol.
Jammol said:
Battery life hasn't been great for me on N. And now with my job being more mobile(on foot) and constantly having to be on my phone, I had to go back to MM just to make it through the day. Thought about getting a Lemon battery pack but turns phone into a giant brick, lol.
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You could try a custom ROM and kernel to get better battery life if you are concerned with Marshmallow not getting security updates.
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You could try a custom ROM and kernel to get better battery life if you are concerned with Marshmallow not getting security updates.
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Yeah I've tried a few different ones but still don't do good on battery compared to MM. I was actually never one of the people that got put battery life on N until 7.1.1.