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New firmware to test

Just got an email from motorola and it seems they are beta testing a new firmware. It didnt say when it would be released or what was included but last time i got the email the firmware rolled out that day. Maybe this is the hsupa update were waiting for. Maybe motorola actually gets to finalize code before firmwares are released. It would make sense since all bloatware can be uninstalled so easily where as when i had my captivate att forced u to delete bloatware. Just an idea. In the end that would mean faster updates since were waiting on moto and not att.ive had this phone for 2 months and i have had as many updates as i got with the captivate which i had for 9 months
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I'm guessing they will be getting ready for a weekend live rollout.

e-mail received.

I got it too
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another beta testing..goodbye root

update
I just got this bout 45 mins ago.

Got this as well.

Well whoever gets this first make sure you post results. I hope the upgrade to gingerbread comes out as quickly. It sucks having a locked bootloader but at least there addressing some of the issues. Who knows maybe we will get an unlocked bootloader. But for now I'll be happy with the root privilege and gingerbread. Now motorola would be smart to release it since the only phones that offer gingerbread are the nexus phones
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Smallsmx3 said:
Well whoever gets this first make sure you post results. I hope the upgrade to gingerbread comes out as quickly. It sucks having a locked bootloader but at least there addressing some of the issues. Who knows maybe we will get an unlocked bootloader. But for now I'll be happy with the root privilege and gingerbread. Now motorola would be smart a release it since the only phones that offer gingerbread are the nexus phones
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Don't hold your breath xD I guess this might be the HSUPA update.

Hopefully it is the real deal.

Only thing I'm wondering if this is just a HSUPA update, or if there's more included. Hopefully they don't break root again.

Just received my email as well, I was about to start a topic, but I guess I wasn't the first one to receive it
Personally, I think I will say no to beta testing, as I enjoy running GreyBlur/GingerBlur and having root access much more than running their bloated updates.
Of course, if this beta update gives some Gingerbread lovin', I may change my tune...after all, we've always got the older SBF's to fall back on!

I doubt that this will only be an HSUPA update. AT&T is also going to be enabling sideloading due to the Amazon problem. I sure hope it includes fixes for the Audio issues too.

PixoNova said:
Only thing I'm wondering if this is just a HSUPA update, or if there's more included. Hopefully they don't break root again.
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"Breaking root" is on the to-do list of every official OTA update, unfortunately, so you can count on that.

I can't wait to update! Im always excited by updates haha. I don't care if it breaks root access.

rdubyah said:
I can't wait to update! Im always excited by updates haha. I don't care if it breaks root access.
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As am I. I just wish they'd give out the release notes ASAP.
Because if this is HSUPA, I'll be glad.
If it were HSUPA + Gingerbread, I'd be ecstatic. Motoblur or not, considering the Blur that Droid X owners now have.

Recieved my e-mail, too. While i kinda doubt it'd be Gingerbread (although i wouldn't complain for a second if it were), i'm still kinda keeping my hopes up that if it IS the HSUPA update, and AT&T really DID want to test HSUPA on the 4G phones to see if their network could handle it prior to enabling it on everyone's phone... that they were the ones who kinda forced Moto's hand in keeping the bootloader locked. I know it's like wishing your Prius would turn into a Tesla.... but that's my feeling and i'm momentarily sticking to it.

are most of you guys going to sign up for it?

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I signed up also.
Honestly, I highly doubt AT&T ever intended on giving us HSUPA. I think they were hoping they could just put us all off until HSPA+ was available in all areas and reserve HSUPA for Iphones. Not until we complained (like mad) did they even start to look at the issue. The press that we gave them made them give it to us also.

Debating on Rooting the S4

Im a pure n00b. I'm About to buy my first droid phone. Im very knowledgeable about iphones and the jailbreak world but I'm not sure what would be the benefit of rooting a droid phone. I've heard the droid community is pretty wide open without rooting.
What would be some benefits of rooting a phone like the samsung galaxy s4? I did see that it will allow you to tweak bluetooth to connect a ps3 controller to it wirelessly for emulators but is it anything else that XDA could share to help push me in that direction? any cool features?
Thanks in advance.

I'd say the biggest benefit from rooting is getting rid of that crap that both Samsung and AT&T put on the S4

First thing, droid phones are from Motorola. Call all others android phones. It will save some unnecessary flaming.
Pretty much still running the stock rom on mine, but used root to flash a mod that allows free wifi tethering and hot spot, and an extended power menu.
Flashing roms is also a big reason most people root phones. You can pick and choose what you want(touchwiz roms or aosp) and find one you like.
I wouldnt want an android phone without rooting it.
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I mainly rooted for faux's kernel which removed the launcher lag and the messaging lag that occurs sometimes. I also rooted to removed all the bloatware.

Biggest reasons to root, for me personally, are custom roms, custom kernels, debloating, backing up and restoring apps, theming, overclocking, and undervolting. These are just my reasons personally. There are literally hundreds of other things you can do as a root user that you couldnt do otherwise.
The worst case scenario of rooting being, if you really dont find the benefit for yourself personally, its pretty easy to revert back to stock unrooted. These samsung phones now are basically unbrickable and flashing is really easy, especially if youve went through jailbreaking an iphone... lol rooting a samsung device is way easier imo.
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I root for the deep-level backup capabilities, custom kernels that improve speed and battery life, Pie Control (makes navigating & using a large phone much easier), custom ROMs, mods like Hot Spot and custom themes, and deeper level security apps (firewall, find your phone, etc).

Here are the main reasons while people usually root. In no particular order.
1. Ad blocking
2. Remove unwanted apps "bloatware"
3. Custom ROMs/ advanced custom theming
4. Custom kernels and features such as nandroid backups and under/over clocking etc.
5. Tethering/free hot spot
6. Aosp ROMs
Ultimately think of rooting as taking complete control of your device. You can do pretty much anything depending on your knowledge after you are rooted.
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thanks
thanks everybody. starting to like the community already. alot of quick helping people here.
I'm grandfathered in with unlimited at ATT. so free hot spot and removing bloatware talked me into it. thanks.

wotandsdwys said:
First thing, droid phones are from Motorola. Call all others android phones. It will save some unnecessary flaming.
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I was thinking the same thing..lol

How much space are you guys saving when you root and get rid of all the bloatware? How much available space is on your phone before all of your additional aps?

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djv3n0m said:
thanks everybody. starting to like the community already. alot of quick helping people here.
I'm grandfathered in with unlimited at ATT. so free hot spot and removing bloatware talked me into it. thanks.
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There is at least one downside to rooting. You can't take the updates w/o breaking root. I've not rooted my S4 yet, but am thinking about it. I always rooted my HTC phones and it would sometimes take several months for a developer to incorporate updates into a ROM. So that makes me a little gunshy with a new phone like this, as I assume there will be a few updates in the first few months. But it seems like the dev's are much more active and on top of it with the Samsung phones, so I'm tempted to go.
Main reasons I want to go are deep backup, ad blocking and being able to tweak my settings to make it so the home button does not wake up the phone. I know, the latter reason seems silly, but it's a big deal to me.
BTW, you do not need to root to be able to tether. Check out the PDANet+ app. That's what I'm using and it works great wired or via bluetooth.

jejb said:
There is at least one downside to rooting. You can't take the updates w/o breaking root. I've not rooted my S4 yet, but am thinking about it. I always rooted my HTC phones and it would sometimes take several months for a developer to incorporate updates into a ROM. So that makes me a little gunshy with a new phone like this, as I assume there will be a few updates in the first few months. But it seems like the dev's are much more active and on top of it with the Samsung phones, so I'm tempted to go.
Main reasons I want to go are deep backup, ad blocking and being able to tweak my settings to make it so the home button does not wake up the phone. I know, the latter reason seems silly, but it's a big deal to me.
BTW, you do not need to root to be able to tether. Check out the PDANet+ app. That's what I'm using and it works great wired or via bluetooth.
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You should be able to take otas if you have stock recovery and are just rooted, this is how it was on the S3 at least and I don't see why you can't. Also on the S3 we always got the leaks right before the otas came out so the ROMs would always have the newest builds out before the otas usually, depending on the developer, some didn't like using leaks. But Sextape would always have a leak right before the otas dropped and we had everything usually within a day or two up to a week. But the development there was amazing on the S3. :thumbup:
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GiantJay said:
You should be able to take otas if you have stock recovery and are just rooted, this is how it was on the S3 at least and I don't see why you can't.
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You can take the OTA, it will just break root. There were several threads here stating that fact here when the MDL OTA came out for the S4.

GiantJay said:
You should be able to take otas if you have stock recovery and are just rooted, this is how it was on the S3 at least and I don't see why you can't. Also on the S3 we always got the leaks right before the otas came out so the ROMs would always have the newest builds out before the otas usually, depending on the developer, some didn't like using leaks. But Sextape would always have a leak right before the otas dropped and we had everything usually within a day or two up to a week. But the development there was amazing on the S3. :thumbup:
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Exactly what I was going to say! Sextape always came thru on the e4gt as well. The next update would always be out before the official release. So glad to see him have stuff for the s4 as well.
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jejb said:
You can take the OTA, it will just break root. There were several threads here stating that fact here when the MDL OTA came out for the S4.
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This is generally the case with OTA's, but every year it seems like rooting becomes more straight forwsrd, especially for Samsung. As for MDL it was a specific attribute added by Samsung to tighten up control on deeper root access that broke root, but it was hardly a locked bootloader or anything that severe. Re-rooting was as simple as loading a kernel and then Odining. At this point, most manufacturers are beginning to understand the benefits of the development community. Now if we can just get the carriers to "get it."
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To put it very simple I root my phone to be free and to have my phone the way I wanted it not the way a company wants me to have it
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Once you root your phone and learn all the possibilities that come along with it, you won't go back haha It's a lot of fun after knowing your stuff. reading in this forum is probably one of, if not, the best thing/s you can do

Root? What's the Point?

So we got our shiny new N3's... we all (well 98% of us love them... lets not get technical about the % lol)... the xda devs started working on root...which is awesome.. having some issues getting root figured out (always the case on new and newer devices).....
Really though. What's the point of rooting? It can void your warranty. Possibly set of Knox.. and up until now there is only 1 one click type root function that is under speculation(will leave the name out for threads sake)... which I will not use. If you root do you get rid of alot of the licensing checks on apk's? We always have a lot of mods that we can add. I agree the bloat ware blows... but its still quite fast.... and if u got a nice size sd card... it doesn't matter that much... We can't flash roms yet so thats a negative for now.... So again.. what's the real point to root?
I'm sure nobody that's rooted cares that much to do so.. but if you feel inclined... explain some real solid reasons for rooting.. and the method that works without tripping knox.(this phone will eventually go back to verizon).... if you need to pm me please do so....

Seriously, just do a search. This has been discussed ad nauseum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/sitesearch.php?q=root or not
If you're the type of person that has to ask, then rooting probably isn't for you.

I root to remove bloatware, customize the phone in ways that are otherwise impossible, and just to have the freedom to do whatever I want (at least within the confines of the locked bootloader, grrr). I have used iOS for years, and my main issue with it was the restrictions Apple placed upon the system. I would find x or y thing I didn't like, but had no control over it. I fail to see the point of Android if you can't do what you like to it. Otherwise it's just a locked-down OS from a different vendor.

frieked said:
Seriously, just do a search. This has been discussed ad nauseum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/sitesearch.php?q=root or not
If you're the type of person that has to ask, then rooting probably isn't for you.
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I've rooted every device I've ever had on android.... 4.3 is starting to get to the point where we have most of the bells and whistles... Now I don't get down to the coding and programming (how many of us really do) but I love to take advantage of things that otherwise couldn't... simple app mods don't incline me enough to lose warranty. I rom probably would... Just saying it's not that i'm a dummy not understanding what root is... it's that its kind of iffy at the moment.... if someone knows 100% that it won't trip knox and you can revert back I'd give it a shot... I haven't seen that option yet that is 100% proven and cleared by xda or any other reputable sites.....
(pm me if there is something i need to know... i hold no one accountable)
only thing i could see as a definite positive to me is rom toolbox... amazing app.... able to freeze apps/back up etc..

loopers said:
I've rooted every device I've ever had on android.... 4.3 is starting to get to the point where we have most of the bells and whistles... Now I don't get down to the coding and programming (how many of us really do) but I love to take advantage of things that otherwise couldn't... simple app mods don't incline me enough to lose warranty. I rom probably would... Just saying it's not that i'm a dummy not understanding what root is... it's that its kind of iffy at the moment.... if someone knows 100% that it won't trip knox and you can revert back I'd give it a shot... I haven't seen that option yet that is 100% proven and cleared by xda or any other reputable sites.....
(pm me if there is something i need to know... i hold no one accountable)
only thing i could see as a definite positive to me is rom toolbox... amazing app.... able to freeze apps/back up etc..
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You'll find out once google releases the next version of android and 365 days later verizon finally updates their device....

frieked said:
Seriously, just do a search. This has been discussed ad nauseum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/sitesearch.php?q=root or not
If you're the type of person that has to ask, then rooting probably isn't for you.
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kwkw480 said:
You'll find out once google releases the next version of android and 365 days later verizon finally updates their device....
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agreed.... at that point i would take that plunge... (root would be better then too i'm sure(devs making things proven more and more)) shutting down svoice would be good too.... alot of that stuff would take a rom to really be a "kitkat" so i don't see the rush and still see no real reason to root at the moment..... anyone else? lol
that link sent me to a page with seveal posts and didn't see the one that you quoted.. nauseum? repost?

kwkw480 said:
You'll find out once google releases the next version of android and 365 days later verizon finally updates their device....
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Well, only if ROMs are available.
I'm with the original poster on this subject. I've rooted and ROMed my phones since forever. But the goal was to change the ROM. Until a ROM is available for the N3 there's no compelling reason to root. Yeah, TiBu is nice to use but Helium is adequate. (I used Helium to move my apps from N2 to N3).
Getting rid of bloatware? That's a political decision, not a practical one. People say that because "they're rebelling against the man." This phone is so ridiculously fast that bloatware does nothing to harm performance. If you don't like seeing it in the app tray then just use a launcher that lets you hide things in the app tray.
Don't like Touchwiz? I haven't found a ROM that I like either. TouchWiz is not perfect, but neither is AOKP, Omni, CM or many other ROM interfaces.
Yes, my Galaxy Tab 10.1 (original Tab) is rooted with a 4.3 ROM. It's the only way to get past ICS. But phones are different. I get a new one about every 6 months or so. I don't worry about what Verizon will do with the N3 in 2015. Most people on XDA are similar, so it's a moot point to argue about lack of support down the road.
I keep watching but there's been no compelling reason for me to root this phone. I want to, yeah, but where's the reward other than the pure joy of rooting? Most respond here with vague things about doing it their way, bloat or all of these apps that make life wonderful. I say show me. And it must be compelling. I want to, I just can't justify it.
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shutting down svoice would be good too....
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Please explain. I have no interaction with S-Voice that I know of. To what are you referring?

loopers said:
if someone knows 100% that it won't trip knox and you can revert back I'd give it a shot... I haven't seen that option yet that is 100% proven and cleared by xda or any other reputable sites......
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I don't think you'll ever see a 100% assurance on that. I've rooted my Note 3 with both Root De La Vega and Kingo, flashed the phone a few times with Odin, installed Beans' rooted stock, and still have 0x0 on my Knox counter, fwiw.

TabGuy said:
Well, only if ROMs are available.
I'm with the original poster on this subject. I've rooted and ROMed my phones since forever. But the goal was to change the ROM. Until a ROM is available for the N3 there's no compelling reason to root. Yeah, TiBu is nice to use but Helium is adequate. (I used Helium to move my apps from N2 to N3).
Getting rid of bloatware? That's a political decision, not a practical one. People say that because "they're rebelling against the man." This phone is so ridiculously fast that bloatware does nothing to harm performance. If you don't like seeing it in the app tray then just use a launcher that lets you hide things in the app tray.
Don't like Touchwiz? I haven't found a ROM that I like either. TouchWiz is not perfect, but neither is AOKP, Omni, CM or many other ROM interfaces.
Yes, my Galaxy Tab 10.1 (original Tab) is rooted with a 4.3 ROM. It's the only way to get past ICS. But phones are different. I get a new one about every 6 months or so. I don't worry about what Verizon will do with the N3 in 2015. Most people on XDA are similar, so it's a moot point to argue about lack of support down the road.
I keep watching but there's been no compelling reason for me to root this phone. I want to, yeah, but where's the reward other than the pure joy of rooting? Most respond here with vague things about doing it their way, bloat or all of these apps that make life wonderful. I say show me. And it must be compelling. I want to, I just can't justify it.
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Please explain. I have no interaction with S-Voice that I know of. To what are you referring?
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You hit the nail .... S-voice.. I have no interaction with it at all either.. only time is when I use my s4a ear "buds?".... amazing sound with a mic and button.. when i hold the mic down though s-voice pops up and i don't want it too... can't get away from it as it sits (might try a diffferent music player..... not a real problem though.. just a small annoyance

TabGuy said:
Well, only if ROMs are available.
I'm with the original poster on this subject. I've rooted and ROMed my phones since forever. But the goal was to change the ROM. Until a ROM is available for the N3 there's no compelling reason to root. Yeah, TiBu is nice to use but Helium is adequate. (I used Helium to move my apps from N2 to N3).
Getting rid of bloatware? That's a political decision, not a practical one. People say that because "they're rebelling against the man." This phone is so ridiculously fast that bloatware does nothing to harm performance. If you don't like seeing it in the app tray then just use a launcher that lets you hide things in the app tray.
Don't like Touchwiz? I haven't found a ROM that I like either. TouchWiz is not perfect, but neither is AOKP, Omni, CM or many other ROM interfaces.
Yes, my Galaxy Tab 10.1 (original Tab) is rooted with a 4.3 ROM. It's the only way to get past ICS. But phones are different. I get a new one about every 6 months or so. I don't worry about what Verizon will do with the N3 in 2015. Most people on XDA are similar, so it's a moot point to argue about lack of support down the road.
I keep watching but there's been no compelling reason for me to root this phone. I want to, yeah, but where's the reward other than the pure joy of rooting? Most respond here with vague things about doing it their way, bloat or all of these apps that make life wonderful. I say show me. And it must be compelling. I want to, I just can't justify it.
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Please explain. I have no interaction with S-Voice that I know of. To what are you referring?
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Pfhortune said:
I don't think you'll ever see a 100% assurance on that. I've rooted my Note 3 with both Root De La Vega and Kingo, flashed the phone a few times with Odin, installed Beans' rooted stock, and still have 0x0 on my Knox counter, fwiw.
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good to know.. thanks.. just read a thread where hyperdrive rom is up...... (was my rom of choice for my s3).... definately making a case for rooting now.. but still want that easy root.... the one you mentioned is still too iffy........... and root de la vega... seems intimidating with all the typing...... don't have hours to sit... go through several stops and not make a single boo boo and brick it or trip it....... the other ting.. msg me if u have any type of proof its clean... can't really go into discussion in threads on that.... too many people may read and take that plunge while it is still a bit foreign to the dev base

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I don't think you'll ever see a 100% assurance on that. I've rooted my Note 3 with both Root De La Vega and Kingo, flashed the phone a few times with Odin, installed Beans' rooted stock, and still have 0x0 on my Knox counter, fwiw.
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good to know...... was the K the last one u rooted with.... it seems iffy to this forum.. msg me if you have done any research on that prog and if it indeed worth trying....

Hints on lollipop release date!

I was talking to live chat with Motorola support and managed to get connected to an employee who seemed to not care that the chat session was monitored.
I was asking about general stuff related to my battery and the Turbo. Towards the end of the chat I figured this guy might have some kind of idea whats going on in the company that he works for. So I asked about the release date for 5.0.
He answered very enthusiastically and hinted that Motorola is ready to release the update and that the only thing next on their list is to select an official Advert with Verizon. From the sound of it - we will not be experiencing the usual delay that Verizon has created for updates. Expect Lollipop on your Droid Turbo by December 1st.
Me personally. I'm waiting for root and boot unlock. But for all of you happy with Lollipop the wait is not too long.
Lets see if this all plays true come December 1st.

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I was talking to live chat with Motorola support and managed to get connected to an employee who seemed to not care that the chat session was monitored.
I was asking about general stuff related to my battery and the Turbo. Towards the end of the chat I figured this guy might have some kind of idea whats going on in the company that he works for. So I asked about the release date for 5.0.
He answered very enthusiastically and hinted that Motorola is ready to release the update and that the only thing next on their list is to select an official Advert with Verizon. From the sound of it - we will not be experiencing the usual delay that Verizon has created for updates. Expect Lollipop on your Droid Turbo by December 1st.
Me personally. I'm waiting for root and boot unlock. But for all of you happy with Lollipop the wait is not too long.
Lets see if this all plays true come December 1st.
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Thanks for the heads up. I thought it would be fast but not that fast. I figured they pretty much wanted it to run 5.0 very soon after launch.

civiksi said:
Thanks for the heads up. I thought it would be fast but not that fast. I figured they pretty much wanted it to run 5.0 very soon after launch.
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It looks like Motorola wont be putting too much effort into rolling out updates for kitkat, instead it appears all the fixes and issues will be done through lollipop. Its all just perspective. Ive been told things like this before...

ccheww said:
It looks like Motorola wont be putting too much effort into rolling out updates for kitkat, instead it appears all the fixes and issues will be done through lollipop. Its all just perspective. Ive been told things like this before...
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I was hoping the very few minimal complaints I have with this phone will be fixed in lollipop. Camera for example. That lag!

Lollipop schmollipop...
First things first:
Where's Advanced Calling with VoLTE?
I need my mobile data while talking!

mattlach said:
Lollipop schmollipop...
First things first:
Where's Advanced Calling with VoLTE?
I need my mobile data while talking!
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That's on Verizon lol it is so irritating though. I'm trying to remain optimistic because I really like the phone. People keep bashing it comparing it to rooted phones that have been debloated, greenified and tweaked.

mattlach said:
Lollipop schmollipop...
First things first:
Where's Advanced Calling with VoLTE?
I need my mobile data while talking!
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Could not agree more
Actually, I wouldnt update to lollipop for a while anyhow in hopes of holding out for roooooot

How many phones have not been rooted? In my personal experience every phone I've ever owned has eventually gotten root.
G1 (HTC dream)
HTC mytouch slide
Thunderbolt
Galaxy s4
I know there's probably a bunch of phones that haven't been rooted but are there any phones with high demand for root that have not been rooted?
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OTA's are rolled out by carriers not OEM's so I take this news as a grain of salt. If it was a Verizon Rep then I would be souped.

Maybe going to Lollipop can help with root? http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-9-root-chainfire-564138/
I know it has different specs, but just maybe...

STEV307204 said:
OTA's are rolled out by carriers not OEM's so I take this news as a grain of salt. If it was a Verizon Rep then I would be souped.
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I feel the same way. Verizon is the ultimate decision maker which is why it makes sense that the Motorola rep said "waiting on Verizon to pick an advertisement" advertisements announce dates... So on so forth. Even if I have to wait it's okay because
I've got all. the. time. in. the. woorlddd. Don't you want some of ittt?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I1tEfPbC9c
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It would make sense for volte to be part of L. Why send two turbo otas when you can send one. But no one asks my opinion.

my2cents said:
Maybe going to Lollipop can help with root? http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-9-root-chainfire-564138/
I know it has different specs, but just maybe...
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Oh hey @my2cents…look at us both over here from the spyder threads haha.
From what I've heard, root will be nearly impossible without unlocked bootloader on lollipop. Sadly, I'm not getting my hopes up for Turbo root on 5.0 unless we get bootloaders unlocked...again, seems unlikely
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Just read this so maybe we won't get lollipop by dec 1.
http://www.androidheadlines.com/2014/11/android-lollipop-rollout-may-delayed-due-battery-bug.html

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Just read this so maybe we won't get lollipop by dec 1.
http://www.androidheadlines.com/2014/11/android-lollipop-rollout-may-delayed-due-battery-bug.html
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they fixed it already
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...ght-be-on-hold-because-of-a-serious-wifi-bug/

Restola said:
It would make sense for volte to be part of L. Why send two turbo otas when you can send one. But no one asks my opinion.
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That's what they're supposed to do.
coreywallen said:
Oh hey @my2cents…look at us both over here from the spyder threads haha.
From what I've heard, root will be nearly impossible without unlocked bootloader on lollipop. Sadly, I'm not getting my hopes up for Turbo root on 5.0 unless we get bootloaders unlocked...again, seems unlikely
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Yeah, with JCase saying that Sunshine V3.0 can't support Motorola on 4.4.4, and the secure kernel crap that will block root on Lollipop, I think this phone will stay stock unless a Chinese middleman pops up again or something.

Guys just realize you can kiss any hope of an unlock and root exploit goodbye if you update. It's going to suck; either choose unlock or 5.0

I pretty much left root behind when I got the Turbo. Moved to the share plan so I don't need the hotspot hack. I used TiBu a lot moving from phone to phone and ROM to ROM but I really didn't have much data that I had to have. Mostly when I was listening to back catalogs of Podcasts I would want to restore the app I was using so it kept my place. Now I have moved on to something different. And I did lose some game data but it was stupid stuff like Temple Run and Monsters Ate My Condo, nothing like an RPG or something. And really thats what root did for me. I am ready for 5.0.
I also think that the 5.0 update will have VoLTE. Maybe they got Google to roll it into 5.0 so instead of hitting each device individually with a VoLTE update, if they get 5.0 they will also get VoLTE (and it brings the Nexus 6 on VoLTE faster as well).

123421342 said:
Guys just realize you can kiss any hope of an unlock and root exploit goodbye if you update. It's going to suck; either choose unlock or 5.0
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What are you basing this on?

rlb81 said:
What are you basing this on?
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Chainfires detailed post on how root will more than likely (read; definitely) going to need a custom kernel to work. Kernel flashes need an unlocked bootloader. 5.0 comes with even more selinux restrictions which make any kind of exploitation harder. All in all, 5.0 is way more locked down and harder to unlock. Simply getting a root exploit without unlock is not likely

New Software Update

Just got a software update. I wonder what has changed or improved.
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Not sure. But bootloader is still locked with this, and experts are recommending to hold off on install if you plan on trying to root the device (in case a root exploit is found for the original software version). Remember, once you flash a new software, you cannot go back.

Seems to fix static over bluetooth, at least for me. Persisting with cabled headphones, though.

I noticed that it re-enables the things you have disabled with Package Disabler Pro.
Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge

How do you disable automatic updates ?
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I just did the update, TOOK FOREVER IT SEEMED....but I am very impatient. Afterwards, it seems that things are smoother and faster, but it could just be the placebo effect. I will be watching battery life today and see if it improves.

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Not sure. But bootloader is still locked with this, and experts are recommending to hold off on install if you plan on trying to root the device (in case a root exploit is found for the original software version). Remember, once you flash a new software, you cannot go back.
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Lucky for my, I don't root or anything like that. I'm kind of ocd I like things to be the way they are supposed to be. I tried it once and hated it.
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Dr. Fed said:
Not sure. But bootloader is still locked with this, and experts are recommending to hold off on install if you plan on trying to root the device (in case a root exploit is found for the original software version). Remember, once you flash a new software, you cannot go back.
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Although I do believe that Samsung should unlock the bootloader and let people make their own choice about their phone. They just need to make it very clear that if you modify your phone your warranty is voided and your on your own. Sad part is some people will go out there and start playing with stuff and not know what they are doing and then want to blame Samsung when the phone gets messed up.
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My next phone im not rooting
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Cyberguycpt said:
Although I do believe that Samsung should unlock the bootloader and let people make their own choice about their phone. They just need to make it very clear that if you modify your phone your warranty is voided and your on your own. Sad part is some people will go out there and start playing with stuff and not know what they are doing and then want to blame Samsung when the phone gets messed up.
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I think they've made it abundantly clear that flashing unsigned firmware voids the warranty. And Samsung can then refurb the phone and resell it. The Knox flag effectively protects Samsung from any liability regarding this sort of thing. Making it impossible to "downgrade" to previous software versions, a practice Samsung started a few years ago, was a bad omen. The dawn of the Knox flag added to this downward spiral. Locking the bootloader is a level of control unprecedented for carriers like T Mobile and Sprint, and continues the evolution of Samsung's security deathgrip.

Popped up when I unlocked my phone this morning. It's installing now will play around with it .

nano303 said:
My next phone im not rooting
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then you have nothing to worry about, it is a great phone.
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I "chatted" with T Mobile support around 8:30 am today, they had no idea this update was live. Apparently their databases have not updated.

Probably a good idea to hold off on this for now. What if they find an exploit that lets us root but only for the previous version? This is becoming a lot like iPhone jailbreaking... that's why I switched to this S7 Edge lol. I should have read more about it first.

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Probably a good idea to hold off on this for now. What if they find an exploit that lets us root but only for the previous version? This is becoming a lot like iPhone jailbreaking... that's why I switched to this S7 Edge lol. I should have read more about it first.
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Samsung devices on T Mobile have always had unlocked bootloaders (as long as I can remember anyhow), this was a huge surprise for everybody.

It's also not the March security update as its still flagged as Feb 1
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Just rebooted after installing the update. Got a pop-up saying:
"The operating system on your device has been modified in an unauthorized way. Try downloading software updates using Smart Switch on your computer or visit a customer service center"
I haven't modified anything. I haven't even disabled packages. There is obviously no root so I haven't done that either. Weird. Will try a factory restore.
Edit: This was happening after I attempted to check for updates after this mornings update installed. Checked for update again after a 2nd restart and message no longer comes up.

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Samsung devices on T Mobile have always had unlocked bootloaders (as long as I can remember anyhow), this was a huge surprise for everybody.
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Yeah it does seem that way. It really sucks, rooting the phone was one of the big reasons I wanted to switch over. I hope someone is able to find an exploit that allows root. I had android a long time ago and ran Cyanogen mod, that thing was cool. It took the super slow stock LG G1 or whatever it was and made it really fast. I would pay for that on this phone, it has so much potential.

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I think they've made it abundantly clear that flashing unsigned firmware voids the warranty. And Samsung can then refurb the phone and resell it. The Knox flag effectively protects Samsung from any liability regarding this sort of thing. Making it impossible to "downgrade" to previous software versions, a practice Samsung started a few years ago, was a bad omen. The dawn of the Knox flag added to this downward spiral. Locking the bootloader is a level of control unprecedented for carriers like T Mobile and Sprint, and continues the evolution of Samsung's security deathgrip.
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The only issue I have with modding phones is that sometimes when buying used phones the seller doesn't tend to inform the buyer if something is wrong. I bought a phone a few years ago on At&t and realized later that it had Internet but could not make calls out. Apparently the last owner flashed something and messed it up. I ended up selling it for cheap, luckily it worked out for the buyer because the phone would not make calls on At&t but would on T-Mobile and he had T-Mobile.
There should be a bootloader unlocking tool that will let you forfeit all your claiming rights but also put you on a list by you imei number that can tell potential buyer your phone has been modified. While you may wont to modify it I wouldn't wont any of your problems. Worst of all is when you hear there is an update for your phone but you cant get it because your phone was modded with out your knowledge when purchasing.
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idtheftvictim said:
I just did the update, TOOK FOREVER IT SEEMED....but I am very impatient. Afterwards, it seems that things are smoother and faster, but it could just be the placebo effect. I will be watching battery life today and see if it improves.
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I actually don't think its a placebo effect. Could be wrong. On restart, it was much quicker to get to a usable state. The micro stutters I was having seem to be gone. Things are opening quicker as well.

A welcomed update, I have installed on my phone and will see if it improves my battery life which has not been too good.