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Swollen Battery, Battery Level Somewhat Erratic

Hey everybody,
So I think that my HTC Wizard's battery is about to go.
When I look at it, it feels a little swollen. I think that it was flat when I first got it, but honestly, how many of us actually need to look at the battery that often? Got it about five months ago, and it was refurbished at the time.
Another thing that seems to indicate that the battery is dying is that when I'm playing a game like Spb Quadronica or Skyforce Reloaded, the battery level takes a deep dive (like 30 - 40%) after about 30 minutes of playing. These battery levels are from Spb Mobile Shell since I removed the T-Mobile application from startup that shows an icon in the system tray.
When I first got this, I was able to play Skyforce Reloaded for probably two hours before it reaches the same drainage. The battery looks like it was also refurbished since the black metallic coating was coming off on the end opposite of the battery contacts.
When it's at some inexplicable power level like 24% after playing for a short time, I restart the device (sometimes it does this automatically without warning) and it's back to like 78%, which is more or less what it should be at for that length of usage.
On a seemingly random restart, it will be stuck in a restart cycle going from the T-Mobile splash screen to the Windows Mobile boot screen and then restarting before it makes it to the Password window.
I try to use the same techniques when taking care of my battery as I do for lithium ions in laptops, such as power cycling (complete drain and full recharge) once or twice a month.
Should I be worried about the battery? Should I just get a new one since they're not that expensive? Is there something else that might be causing this?
Thank you for your time. Any help is greatly appreciated.

you should replace it. a battery gets swollen if the heat boils the chemicals inside it. that happens due to inequality in material density (which is caused by other electrical issues). if you keep using it it might pop if it heats up too much and spill all over your phone.

The battery is a goner,replace it immediately,before it leaks or bursts and create further mess.Yes! one more thing,don't buy a refurbished batteries,as you can never be sure about the condition of the battery,spend a little more and get a new and warranted,it'll save further complications and expenses.

Thanks for the replies.
Well, I got the refurbished Wizard as a gift. It was purchased from TigerDirect.ca. I guess that a refurbished phone also means a refurbished battery to them.
Have either of your used Global-Batteries.ca or any of the other their localized sites for batteries before? Are they reliable? I've never really been big on purchasing things online. I don't even have a PayPal account.
So I'm a little wary about using them to buy a battery online. Pretty good price though.

Asin said:
Thanks for the replies.
Well, I got the refurbished Wizard as a gift. It was purchased from TigerDirect.ca. I guess that a refurbished phone also means a refurbished battery to them.
Have either of your used Global-Batteries.ca or any of the other their localized sites for batteries before? Are they reliable? I've never really been big on purchasing things online. I don't even have a PayPal account.
So I'm a little wary about using them to buy a battery online. Pretty good price though.
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I do not know where you are at, but in america you can go to any batteries plus and they have the battery for the wizard. I recently replaced mine with a new one. I think it was about 30 or 40 dollars. Not bad considering that I use it alot. here is a link to their website.
www.batteriesplus.com

Well, it's only $18 CDN on Global-Batteries.ca, so I was hoping for that.
Just to confirm, I should be looking for WIZA16 if I only want the standard capacity battery right?

What battery to buy?

I'm a newbie, can you addvice me what battery to buy? How mA? should be original?
Is this one good?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ECELL-HIGH-CA...14&_trkparms=72:1300|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318

Same question here... AT&T no longer stocks the battery and I need a replacement.
I'd want the battery with the longest life, which fits the same way as the standard battery... Also, not outlandishly expensive.
Thanks

This One seems to be getting a very good review.

Have you used that battery, k-semler? It looks pretty good, although it's pricey. I'm wondering if the tilt really will recognize that it's a high capacity battery, as this has been an issue with other high capacity batteries.

I haven't used it, but it seems to have a rather good review from that user on HoFo. I'm thinking about buying it myself.

I got the Cameron Sino battery. Slim battery fits the factory battery door. Power rating at 1600Mah compare to factory of 1350Mah which is a 18.5% power increase.
I got the battery and put it in the phone and use it until it was drained. I repeat that couple more times and after a few charges the battery seem to hold power very well.
With this new battery the phone last 1.5 day with normal use no problem ( Normal usage is not including using GPS and Bluetooth and Web browsing all day long)

k-semler said:
This One seems to be getting a very good review.
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That battery looks awesome, know where you could get this from in the UK?

http://www.amazon.com/1600mAh-Exten...1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1226420513&sr=8-1
i have been thinking about getting this one. at only 10 bucks if it sucks i am not out much.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=390025505268 also that one

I just walked into an at&t store last week w / my kaiser in RLOD mode.
Bought a new battery and it started right up. So they do indeed still stock the battery. Duno if you were referring to some other higher quality battery, but the normal stock battery they do carry.

josefcrist said:
http://www.amazon.com/1600mAh-Exten...1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1226420513&sr=8-1
i have been thinking about getting this one. at only 10 bucks if it sucks i am not out much.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=390025505268 also that one
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I just ordered that battery from Amazon, and I notice that it's the same one PayPalBid speaks well of. I'm looking forward to receiving it.

Jim_R said:
I just ordered that battery from Amazon, and I notice that it's the same one PayPalBid speaks well of. I'm looking forward to receiving it.
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I bought the one from daily.source on Ebay for $8.60 including shipping. Works great for me.

samsat said:
I bought the one from daily.source on Ebay for $8.60 including shipping. Works great for me.
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can you give the link

profusion said:
can you give the link
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http://cgi.ebay.com/OEM-Tilt-8925-H...5|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:50

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http://cgi.ebay.com/OEM-Tilt-8925-H...5|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:50
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is it really Samsung? and 1620mAh so it is more powerful?
is it normal behaving?

profusion said:
is it really Samsung? and 1620mAh so it is more powerful?
is it normal behaving?
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I have no way of knowing if it's really a Samsung. It works perfectly and I dont know if it lasts longer than the original as its a long time since my original battery worked properly to compare.
This battery, like most of the after market ones does not have the metal shield stuck to the battery. I glued some foil on to the replacement battery although it worked just fine both with an without the foil.

samsat said:
I have no way of knowing if it's really a Samsung. It works perfectly and I dont know if it lasts longer than the original as its a long time since my original battery worked properly to compare.
This battery, like most of the after market ones does not have the metal shield stuck to the battery. I glued some foil on to the replacement battery although it worked just fine both with an without the foil.
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I didn;t get that with the metal shield? Where it is?
Why they have to have this?
If my battery have not metal shield what should I do?

profusion said:
I didn;t get that with the metal shield? Where it is?
Why they have to have this?
If my battery have not metal shield what should I do?
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The OEM battery had a metal plate stuck to the under side of the battery that makes contact with four earthing points in the battery compartment of the phone.
There has been a lot of discussion as to why this is the case but no concrete answers.
I have used the Ebay replacement battery with no metal shield with no problem at all.

Jim_R said:
I just ordered that battery from Amazon, and I notice that it's the same one PayPalBid speaks well of. I'm looking forward to receiving it.
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how do you like it? does it work well? does the extra 300ma really help?

I have the same question Jim_R, how has that battery been working out? im thinkin about buying one.
EDIT: Just found this and at $8.95 /w ship, couldn't be a better deal, so of course i bought

I just purchased this accu. I bought it for $22 dollars included the shipping costs. (Shipping to Holland so worth the price!)
I've got to wait till they shipped it over to Holland but for this price it will be worth the time I hope.
I was hoping somebody already would have purchased this accu and reviewed it...
I'll post a review soon with my experience with this over powered accu.

Received Nexus One Replacement Phone Today - Interesting Observations

HTC sent me a replacement unit for the Nexus One I have with dust under the screen. Here are my observations:
- A Nexus One with no battery or battery cover was loosely surrounded by the plastic that comes with a new phone, sitting in a standard shipping box with some bubble wrap.
- The phone appears to be unused - no scratches anywhere, not even near the USB port.
- The serial number on the replacement phone is 7936 higher than on the original N1.
- The part number on the new phone is: "99HKE002-01" but the part number on the old N1 is "99HKE002-00 F". Not sure what the "F" is for, but it looks like I got a newer revision of the N1. I bought the first N1 a couple of days after release. What is the p/n on the new AT&T version of the N1?
- The IMEI number on the replacement phone is 6825776 higher than my original N1.
- The darker plastic parts on the phone are a different color than my original N1. It is more of light gray color than the darker, almost chocolate original color. I like the original more, and now my battery cover does not match the rest of the phone.
- The trackball is a different color. It is now almost transparent white instead of transparent darker color like the dark plastic. It's possible my old trackball is just dirty, but I don't think that is the case.
- The volume button (especially volume down) on the replacement phone has much better feeling when pressed. It seems to have longer travel when depressed, and it clicks better. I always thought the volume down button on my original phone was not that great.
- The haptic feedback is less intense (too weak) with the replacement phone. I'm not sure if this is because I was using custom ROMs and kernels or if there is a hardware/software change with the replacement phone.
- The screen on the new phone seems sharper than the old screen, could just be imagining it. The old phone had some dead pixels and could have some other underlying problem.
- The battery life is significantly better, maybe related to the seemingly different screen. It might just be because the custom ROMs have worse battery life. Huge difference though.
- The replacement phone is not engraved, but I was told that would be the case.
- The old battery cover fits fine on the new phone.
- There is no dust under the screen, yet.
I am happy with the replacement phone because it seems to be brand new and a rev newer than the original N1 I have. I assume they made some very small improvements with the revision, but it could also just be something as minor as the plastic coming from a different paint batch, or a better adhesive was used under the screen to stop dust from coming in, who knows.
The only downside is the different color of the plastic. I would be bothered by the color difference, especially since the battery cover does not match the rest of the phone anymore, and because I like the old color more, but I plan on sending the phone into Colorware for a matte black unicolor finish. My only worry here is that Colorware will have to remove the screen to paint the plastic, and when they put it back together they will have to re-use the original adhesive tape on the back of the screen, which may not seal properly and give me dust under my screen again.
I'll try to take some pictures and post them later.

Interesting stuff, I have been wondering if there have been runnning production changes and it appears that there may well be some.

krabman said:
Interesting stuff, I have been wondering if there have been runnning production changes and it appears that there may well be some.
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was the phone you replaced rooted? did they replace it anyway if so?

iamwhoamnot said:
was the phone you replaced rooted? did they replace it anyway if so?
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Yes, my original N1 that I'm packing up to ship back now was rooted. They may or may not honor the warranty, and may make me pay to repair the dusty screen, or they might just let me send back the replacement phone (I won't root the replacement until I hear back from HTC). Worst case scenario I end up with two N1s that I paid full price for. I would just sell the old one on ebay or craigslist.
I'll call up about the color difference and see if they will send me a matching battery cover.

I've also noticed the significant difference in battery life between nexus ones. I've had a t-mobile one and two at&t ones, one a swap for the other with a dead pixel (you probably saw my recent thread about the displays.) The t-mobile one had great battery life, the first at&t one was bad at about half the battery life, and this new at&t one seems to have good battery life, on par with the original t-mobile one. I'm surprised at the variability of these phones.

irishrally said:
Yes, my original N1 that I'm packing up to ship back now was rooted. They may or may not honor the warranty, and may make me pay to repair the dusty screen, or they might just let me send back the replacement phone (I won't root the replacement until I hear back from HTC). Worst case scenario I end up with two N1s that I paid full price for. I would just sell the old one on ebay or craigslist.
I'll call up about the color difference and see if they will send me a matching battery cover.
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I've also noticed the significant difference in battery life between nexus ones. I've had a t-mobile one and two at&t ones, one a swap for the other with a dead pixel (you probably saw my recent thread about the displays.) The t-mobile one had great battery life, the first at&t one was bad at about half the battery life, and this new at&t one seems to have good battery life, on par with the original t-mobile one. I'm surprised at the variability of these phones.
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By chance did the 99HKE002-00 F have bad battery life too? Cause I can hardly go a full day without being on EDGE.

ram130 said:
By chance did the 99HKE002-00 F have bad battery life too? Cause I can hardly go a full day without being on EDGE.
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That was the one with bad battery life for me.

irishrally said:
That was the one with bad battery life for me.
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Hmm, how bad was it? would it last a day? or how many hours with what use?

ram130 said:
Hmm, how bad was it? would it last a day? or how many hours with what use?
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I could get about 12-14 hours with moderate use, 1-2 hours of web surfing, 1-2 phone calls, 5-6 sms.

Did you notice a change in screen color temperature? I received my replacement Nexus One and it too has very very weak haptic feedback vibration.
What's worse is that my screen on low brightness setting looks totally pink! I've contacted HTC about this and they're going to be swapping the replacement for another replacement. I'm hoping that the replacement won't have these defects.

What about external speaker guys? Do you found it louder from the older devices?

The loudspeaker is pretty much the same between my tmo and att nexus's. I sold my tmo nexus so I can't do a side-by-side comparison, but IMO, the screen of my new att is less saturated and more blue'ish, not a bad thing though. The autobrightness is not as good as my tmo version. The brightness is always set to low by the phone

dr1337 said:
Did you notice a change in screen color temperature? I received my replacement Nexus One and it too has very very weak haptic feedback vibration.
What's worse is that my screen on low brightness setting looks totally pink! I've contacted HTC about this and they're going to be swapping the replacement for another replacement. I'm hoping that the replacement won't have these defects.
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I don't notice any pink color on low brightness, but I really don't have a good eye for these things. It certainly is not obvious if it there at all.
Did HTC say anything about the weak haptic feedback?
EDIT: Damnit man, now I kinda might be maybe seeing some pink on low brightness. No idea if it was the same on the last phone though.

My ATT N1 Serial number ends in 00 B

irishrally said:
I could get about 12-14 hours with moderate use, 1-2 hours of web surfing, 1-2 phone calls, 5-6 sms.
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Sounds like what I'm getting now with these two batteries. So how is your battery life now with you new swap one?

ram130 said:
Sounds like what I'm getting now with these two batteries. So how is your battery life now with you new swap one?
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With the new N1 I make it ~16 hours with about 30% left, as opposed to 0% after ~12-14 hours with the old N1. Again, the old phone was rooted, but I doubt the custom ROMs make that big a difference, if any.
Today, I took the phone off the charger at 7am and it is now 930PM. I have used the phone very lightly today and am at ~65%.

irishrally said:
With the new N1 I make it ~16 hours with about 30% left, as opposed to 0% after ~12-14 hours with the old N1. Again, the old phone was rooted, but I doubt the custom ROMs make that big a difference, if any.
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My phone barely makes it 6 hours with only moderate usage... It was part of the reason I was going to return the device...

Rock3nrenigade said:
My phone barely makes it 6 hours with only moderate usage... It was part of the reason I was going to return the device...
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With an overclocked CPU and using JIT, my old phone would last almost double that.
Your phone is defective. Call HTC for a replacement. It took only two days for the replacement phone to arrive.

irishrally said:
With an overclocked CPU and using JIT, my old phone would last almost double that.
Your phone is defective. Call HTC for a replacement. It took only two days for the replacement phone to arrive.
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Well they told me they will waive all of the restocking fees and such. So I am just going to return everything and repurchase somewhere down the line... I wanted to make sure I can return the thing if I can't adjust from the iPhone.
But for example, today I spent most of the day in the airplane so it was in my pocket on standby. Took her off the charger at about 11 thing was warning me about 15% around 6:30, and I was flying all day so I didn't even use it for more than an hour or so.

Rock3nrenigade said:
Well they told me they will waive all of the restocking fees and such. So I am just going to return everything and repurchase somewhere down the line... I wanted to make sure I can return the thing if I can't adjust from the iPhone.
But for example, today I spent most of the day in the airplane so it was in my pocket on standby. Took her off the charger at about 11 thing was warning me about 15% around 6:30, and I was flying all day so I didn't even use it for more than an hour or so.
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You most definitely havea a defective phone.

Inaccurate battery percentage...

I have a 910T3 that I slow charge (AC) most of the time. When I see the green light go on, I unplug and see 100%, but after I reboot into TWRP recovery it is usually like 93%. Which one is accurate? I'd prefer the green light to go on when it's really 100%. Thank you.
Also, the stock battery is about 20 months old, and I can use it to about 0%-1% before it shuts off.

You could try reinitializing your battery. However seeing as your battery is that old. You would be better off getting a new one.

What is reinitializing the battery? I really wanted to avoid buying a new battery unless I really had to. I've read people's battery dying at like 25% left, that's when I'd buy a new one.

burntrat said:
What is reinitializing the battery? I really wanted to avoid buying a new battery unless I really had to. I've read people's battery dying at like 25% left, that's when I'd buy a new one.
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Above post is correct as your battery is quite old it is probably time for a new one. My old note 4 was very similar to this before the emmc failed in it it would always show different percentages on battery,the phone died before i got to replace battery though

TheMadScientist said:
Above post is correct as your battery is quite old it is probably time for a new one. My old note 4 was very similar to this before the emmc failed in it it would always show different percentages on battery,the phone died before i got to replace battery though
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Man I was hoping it wasn't time for a new battery just yet. Also, sorry to hear about your n4. Looks like eventually all of them will die like that soon. I swear this was planned cause the n5 wasn't that great, trying to thin out the n4 herd.

burntrat said:
Man I was hoping it wasn't time for a new battery just yet. Also, sorry to hear about your n4. Looks like eventually all of them will die like that soon. I swear this was planned cause the n5 wasn't that great, trying to thin out the n4 herd.
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I loved my note 5. Battery killed in it too twice i haad a note 7 edge rom on it

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I loved my note 5. Battery killed in it too twice i haad a note 7 edge rom on it
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I tried the no5 for a bit, but wasn't really impressed with it. It had it's pros and cons, but I felt the no4 was better overall for my uses. I read others saying pretty much the same thing with sticking with the no4 rather than moving on the no5 cause of no battery or microsd card support etc.
How did you deal with dead batteries out of warranty or did you have both battery issues in the first year?

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I tried the no5 for a bit, but wasn't really impressed with it. It had it's pros and cons, but I felt the no4 was better overall for my uses. I read others saying pretty much the same thing with sticking with the no4 rather than moving on the no5 cause of no battery or microsd card support etc.
How did you deal with dead batteries out of warranty or did you have both battery issues in the first year?
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Lol i bought 3 note 5s and pieced them together with one one good screen and a bad usb port on said screen i swapped the batteries myself I heated the baqck and didnt bust it just scratched it. so i ordered a new back and use small dabs of rubber cement to put it back on.
I do all my own repairs no warranty. i had a verizon tmobile and sprint mother boards luckily I rooted before the usb went out completly and used wifi file transfer and wireless charge for that issue. So much as I now despise Usb ports and no wireless charge on devices.

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Lol i bought 3 note 5s and pieced them together with one one good screen and a bad usb port on said screen i swapped the batteries myself I heated the baqck and didnt bust it just scratched it. so i ordered a new back and use small dabs of rubber cement to put it back on.
I do all my own repairs no warranty. i had a verizon tmobile and sprint mother boards luckily I rooted before the usb went out completly and used wifi file transfer and wireless charge for that issue. So much as I now despise Usb ports and no wireless charge on devices.
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Wow, I wish I had the skills and patience to do that. I know I'd make things worse and end up paying more in the long run for parts and fixing it. I think that is a huge reason why many won't move onto these newer phones without replaceable batteries.
I swapped out an older, but less used oem no4 battery and will see if it's any better.

So I'm using the older battery and lights up green at 100% (same level as TWRP rec).
But today, my phone just shut off at around 35-39% while in the middle of streaming a short video clip. Only way to turn it back on was to remove then reinsert the battery. Is this normal of dying batteries around the last 1/3 or could this possibly be an unstable kernel issue.

New Battery for the Axon7?

Pretty simple question, battery is two years old and I'm not sure it has that great of capacity anymore. Taking apart the Axon7 doesn't look to be too difficult, so wondering if anyone has experience on batteries.
There's what looks like stock: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-...547988?hash=item2cd0608714:g:oTAAAOSw~JRawH1t
And what looks like...uhh...this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LI3931T44P...596322?hash=item1edfe8d2a2:g:80oAAOSwNSJa6EQL
I generally am scared of third party batteries.

I got a genuine ZTE battery off of EBay for $11. Replaced it in an hour. Good as new!

I guess if the battery is shot, it's a good time whilst replacing it, to also make sure all connectors are seated.

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I got a genuine ZTE battery off of EBay for $11. Replaced it in an hour. Good as new!
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Did you notice a considerable improvement to battery life?

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Did you notice a considerable improvement to battery life?
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https://www.ebay.com/p/Hsabat-LI393...017-F/2156952516?iid=202310473158#UserReviews
check this.

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https://www.ebay.com/p/Hsabat-LI393...017-F/2156952516?iid=202310473158#UserReviews
check this.
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Yeah, I mean it's one review. I messaged the guy and no response. Typically I've noticed these third party batteries die within a month.

TPMJB said:
Yeah, I mean it's one review. I messaged the guy and no response. Typically I've noticed these third party batteries die within a month.
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Yeah I agree.
From my limited experience with PSP back in the day, I had no issues myself.
Plus if it does degrade within the month you could just get an original after that.
Dunno about reliability though, hope you don't catch a fire or something.

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Yeah I agree.
From my limited experience with PSP back in the day, I had no issues myself.
Plus if it does degrade within the month you could just get an original after that.
Dunno about reliability though, hope you don't catch a fire or something.
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I had a vape that didn't regulate voltage well on QC2.0 and caught aflame. Kind of worries me going third party for that reason as well.

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Absolutely! Went from 3 hrs SOT to over 5 hrs SOT. Only took an hour to do, also!

i have them from aliexpress oly 7-10euro a piece,so i ordered 4 of them.manufacture date doesnt really matter

Predatorhaze said:
i have them from aliexpress oly 7-10euro a piece,so i ordered 4 of them.manufacture date doesnt really matter
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Will you share the link please..

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Will you share the link please..
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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/LI3...010.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.5d0f4c4dfCpXfh

YES, I've had multiple A2017U (US) Axon7's reach the two year window where battery life dropped off considerably (or failed completely in the end).
Full charge, remove cable and instantly 80%, run for 20min and 30%, then shutdown with no warning.
I purchased OEM compatible battery off eBAy. I did check into company a little and did ask if stock was super OLD or not (granted, they could fib but that's why I researched the reputation of company and feedback).
the R&R is very straightforward. However, the screens that are behind the speaker grill are tough to keep in good shape (since the adhesive is one big piece) . I ended up resurrecting the screen portion and used separate two sided adhesive tape (purchased specifically for display repair on diff phone -- it was less than $10).