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Battery swollen

First some backgound.
In preparation for a big event where I will be using my phone for web surfing a lot, I pick up the huge brick2600mah battery. It works well and last all day. I forgot my charger and had to charge the phone over USB and that only seems to charge the battery to 75%. But that is a different issue.
So when I get home, I put back in the stock battery so the phone will no longer be a brick in my picket any more. (The 2600mah battery will be used for events where I need the power)
But the stock battery is not lasting very long at all any more. The capacity seems to be down 50%. I left it in my truck once and came back to find it almost dead. It went from fully charged with the car charger to dead in 2 hours.
A week or so later, in the same spot, I knew I was going to be out of ear shot, so I left my fully charged phone, in airplane mode to save the battery. 4 hours later and it's dead like a door nail.
I have since done the same and the battery is low after 6 hours, but not dead. Something strange is going on. I have ran the phone till dead 3 times and fully charged it and that seemed to help, but it's still not happy. It also takes 8+ hours to charge.
A few hours ago, I managed to hard lock the phone, so I pop out the battery. The battery swollen. Not Sony like, but like something inside is really pressing hard against the case and wants to get out. Note I am talking about the stock HTC battery, not the brick.
My stock battery problems may be unrelated to the use of the 2600 brick battery, but I figure it's worth bringing up.
Anyone else seen this? Can I bug T-Mobile about getting a new battery?
Any suggestions next to bury it in a hole before it explodes and kills us all?

If the stock as really swollen, you'd better contact Tmo and get a replacement. I think it might got over heated when you left it in the truck. Did you put it on the dashboard? Was that a hot sunny day? Any temperature above 60 degrees Celsius can cause permanent damage to lithium-ion batteries. Crystals growing on one of the electrodes (can't remember which) can penetrate the insulation and touch the other side, causing a internal short. This will heat the liquids inside the battery and when the pressure rise beyond control...

You need a new battery, batteries can swell like that either from heat or too high current drained. Might be a defect in the battery from the start as well tho (short-circuit waiting to happen or something, who knows?)

PorchG1 said:
Anyone else seen this? Can I bug T-Mobile about getting a new battery?
Any suggestions next to bury it in a hole before it explodes and kills us all?
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Any lithium battery that experiences swelling should immediately be viewed as a potential hazard. At this point you cannot drop it off in a battery recycling drop-off point (and perish the thought of just tossing it in the trash). I recommend you take it to a T-Mo store and demand an exchange for a new battery. You'll also be relieved of the responsibility to deal with disposing of it properly.

Nice game of connecting the dots. I normally put my phone in the shade when left in my truck for several hours. But I miscalculated the position of the sun and when I checked back in a few hours, it was not in direct sunlight and hot. Not too hot to handle, but toasty. Only happened once, but I guess that sure could be the cause.
The battery is not hot now or bursting out of it's case, and I have been using it for 2 months so I don't think it will be an issue recycling it. Is a T-Mobile store just going to hand over a new battery to me?
Bonus, I now know why the battery in my GPS only lasted 2 months.

Even if it's not in direct sunlight, the temp inside of a car on a sunny day can easily go over 200 degrees F... in many cases going up to 300 degrees.

PorchG1 said:
Nice game of connecting the dots. I normally put my phone in the shade when left in my truck for several hours. But I miscalculated the position of the sun and when I checked back in a few hours, it was not in direct sunlight and hot. Not too hot to handle, but toasty. Only happened once, but I guess that sure could be the cause.
The battery is not hot now or bursting out of it's case, and I have been using it for 2 months so I don't think it will be an issue recycling it. Is a T-Mobile store just going to hand over a new battery to me?
Bonus, I now know why the battery in my GPS only lasted 2 months.
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As said 100% correctly by jashsu, your battery is basically hazardous. Keep it away from anything you want to stay alive (you, your property, your G1...) until you can get it to T-Mobile.
XDA does not condone this, but your best bet to get a new battery is to lie. If you tell them you left it in the sun, they're most likely not going to replace it. Play dumb and tell them nothing odd happened and you have no idea why it did it.
If you bought it from em and are still in contract with them, I'd be pretty shocked if they didn't replace it on the spot (even if you don't have warranty). Until then, do NOT use the battery, and be thankful that it didn't destroy your G1.

uansari1 said:
Even if it's not in direct sunlight, the temp inside of a car on a sunny day can easily go over 200 degrees F... in many cases going up to 300 degrees.
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water boils at 200 degrees, there is no way a car goes to 300 degrees, it would explode....

Freedomcaller said:
water boils at 200 degrees, there is no way a car goes to 300 degrees, it would explode....
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lmao, i agree
http://www.mydogiscool.com/x_car_study.php
lol

Guess I got my numbers mixed up... according to a few websites, they can get up near 200 degrees.
http://www.kidsource.com/kidsource/content3/news3/temperatures.safety.all.html

I have been still using the phone. Bloated battery and on. It has not tried to kill me as of yet.
Today I went down to the t-mobile store and told the guy at the counter that my phone was only holding a charge for 5 hours at most. He suggested a battery swap and if that does not fix it, a phone swap. I handed him my puffed out battery, and he handed me a new, slimmer one. He never asked for my phone, my number, or nothing else. Once again I am reminded why I go with the only carrier that does not offer 3G service in my area. T-Mobile service rocks.

[Q] HELP!!!!! TMobile No Help

Basically whats happening. Me and my wife have exchanged both of our Vibrants through T-Mobile 3 times due to overheating and the proximity sensor acting up. My wife literally burned her hand this morning when she grabbed her vibrant off of the charger. We only replaced the phones yesterday and are already getting the same issue. I called T-Mobile and they said they can either give me another Vibrant or exchange my phone for the original Motorola Cliq or the Blackberry 9700. When I was with AT&T they gave us the option to select another phone within the same price bracket of what our phones were worth. I paid full price for both vibrants. Do I have any options or should I work through the BBB to solve this?

Tell t-mobile that you are ready to file with the BBB, see what they do, if it comes to the worst, actually file a claim or complaint and hope for the best. Good luck mate !

you need to get out of 1st line support. You can easily get the email address to the executives of Tmobile easily. And write them a professional email stating your case and you will be taken care of.
My brother did this a few times to get out of contracts, to get a free phone and to get out of a ETF. It is effective.

So you're saying that all SIX of the Vibrants you've owned have had the same issues? Either you are the unluckiest people to walk the Earth, or your expectations are beyond reason.
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I mean, LITERALLY burnt her hand? That's lawsuit worthy if you have hospital bills bud. I think you're overreacting, get a battery app and see how hot its getting. It should only get abnormally hot under heavy use while charging, like tethering or something. I mean, 6 vibrants? You expect them to keep sending them to you on demand? Obviously they're trying to stop you having to exchange your phone so often, not screw you over. But yes, use one of the above methods.

Crazy thought, but maybe it is the batteries and not the phones?? How about Tmobile replaces both batteries?

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Crazy thought, but maybe it is the batteries and not the phones?? How about Tmobile replaces both batteries?
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My thoughts exactly, especially since this is not a known problem with the phones. In fact this is the first time I think I've ever heard of it happening with the galaxy S line in general.

Actually it takes a fair amount of heat to damage tissue. I expect that plastic would be melting around that point.
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Have you talked to tech support or just customer service?

the only time ive heard of anything like this is with cheap chinese knock off batteries. did you buy a pair of high cap batteries and a charging station on ebay or something? If so consider putting stock batteries back in cause every replacement you get is a manufacturer refurb meaning they have been fixed and tesed to be running. I have 4 Vibrants on my T-Mo plan and none have had any issues, minus the first set being hardware locked but that was a long time ago.

Lol six phones.... only in America

Now this is interesting. I actually had this happen Saturday, my story is that the wife was doing the updates and things, it froze as usual so instead of messing with it then, I told her to put it on charge and let it go (We didnt have time to screw with it then). Later on, she took it off charge, it burned her hand and she dropped the phone (Not really burned, but more of a shock it was so hot). The screen cracked, I called tmo and was told in a rude way that it was samsung's problem, not theirs and that they didn't care. I had to do a warranty exchange on it due to it being damaged at that point.. I told them it wouldn't have been damaged had it not been so hot.. blah blah, again, it was like talking to the wall.

I like to trust people on here, but when i hear SIX phones have the same problem.... I know it is NOT the phone.
same battery in each phone?
what apps are running?

A friend of mine experienced this but it was not due to the phone but the fact he was using some non-OEM extended batteries that were overheating instead. Once he went back to using OEM battery, it's been fine ever since.
The only reason he went with the extended battery is because of the unsatisfactory battery life. After getting him setup on Bionix and reconditioning his battery, he's no longer complaining about battery life.
If this is case with the OP, I actually feel sorry for TMO / Samsung. So much waste in hardware, time, etc.

Are you using a crappy ebay charger?

mrsbelpit said:
Are you using a crappy ebay charger?
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That's reminds me...
I've seen "crappy" chargers that don't seem to stop charging after the phone is at 100%. So, it just keeps charging until unplugged. That can't be good...
I've also seen so-called generic micro-usb "quick chargers" that claim to charge the battery up to 50% faster. Even if it's not a "crappy" charger I imagine doing so might make the battery unnecessarily hot as result of the increased speed of the charge.

rpope904 said:
Now this is interesting. I actually had this happen Saturday, my story is that the wife was doing the updates and things, it froze as usual so instead of messing with it then, I told her to put it on charge and let it go (We didnt have time to screw with it then). Later on, she took it off charge, it burned her hand and she dropped the phone (Not really burned, but more of a shock it was so hot). The screen cracked, I called tmo and was told in a rude way that it was samsung's problem, not theirs and that they didn't care. I had to do a warranty exchange on it due to it being damaged at that point.. I told them it wouldn't have been damaged had it not been so hot.. blah blah, again, it was like talking to the wall.
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The fact is that it wasnt abnormally hot. it just surprised his wife. I've touched cold things and twitched because I thought they were hot.

Yes the battery/charger may be the problem
I have had this problem on my HD2 But..... it was a result of an aftermarket battery. The probability of 6 phones having the same internal problem....is like winning the lottery, so I'd be looking to the charger and battery as the issue.
FYI, for temperature reference hot water in commercial building is usually set @ 112-120 f unless it is a building for kids then set @ 108 max. At 120 to get a real 2nd degree burn you would need your hand in it for 15-30 sec. depending on the person.
Most plastics we use in building phones, electronics and consumer goods range resisting deformation until 150-180 degrees but with a protracted long heat source can become malleable 125degree depending on the plastic.
Anyway some trivia for reference. I'd would look to the battery

My first phone died due to overheating. But this was from using a car charger that was not meant for the exact phone model.
I picked up a $0.98 charger from amazon and no more overheating issues when charging in my car. When you charge with the wrong charger it will heat near 120 degrees.

If HD2 gets hot, you will die!

Ok, recently I've been having freezing problems constantly and I found out that is was my old sim card that was causing the most problem with that deal. I got a new sim and it is working much better, but still has some freezes but not as much as before. I can conclude that my HD2 has always run hot, but now that I got a new sim it doesn't run as hot but I think the heat sensor is faulty as it barely gets hot but freezes my phone anyways. I got to thinking is there anyway we can either disable or bypass the heat sensor on our HD2 software wise or even hardware wise? So I google searched and stumbled on to this:
http://wmpoweruser.com/if-your-htc-hd2-gets-hot-you-will-die/
Now, this scared me. I think there is a reason why there is a temperature safety valve on our phones!

he just might have a faulty device ?!
our devices too heat up !
that doesnt mean they are rigged to blow ! !!
and the joke is he could even get it auctioned on ebay !!
i saw that video about a month ago !?
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I bet he used one of those china 2300mAh batteries...
Often these batteries do not have any fuses or security stuff in them because they just want to produce a cheap product.

It sucks for that guy that his phone exploded and caught fire...glad he's okay.
But the important thing is, anyone else catch those baby blue bed sheets with the bugs on them? Priceless!

i think a lot of the dead touch input problems are related to the phone getting hot,
I recently bought a replacement hd2, cos mine, tho it worked fine, had a cracked screen. I started using my old hd2 just to charge the extra battery i now had, swapping out the batteries once or twice a day, so the old phone, tho it wasn't being used, was plugged in to wall charger most of the time, and within a few days (a week, tops) the screen has gone. No touch input at all. 18 months without a glitch, and bang, gone. So glad i pre-emptively replaced it!

Is it possible for HTC to issue a recall for HD2 owners? Just like Apple did a recall recently with their really old iPod Nano for a new one.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/20/apple-reportedly-swapping-recalled-ipod-nanos-for-six-gen-counte/

That sucks, haha. My battery runs at 31-36 degrees, its quite hot, but I'm not that worried at it running at that heat, don't think it'll catch fire.

Jann F said:
I bet he used one of those china 2300mAh batteries...
Often these batteries do not have any fuses or security stuff in them because they just want to produce a cheap product.
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I'm afraid you are right，many batteries made in China with that huge a storage is fake and useless. There is a highly risk that it might blow your phone when they got too hot.

Never let your HD2 get too warm, my last one broke because of that.

Exploding fireball HD2s aside...has anyone ever thought of how to disable the heat sensor? Maybe something fun to do on an HD2. That'd be cool!

Inaccurate battery percentage...

I have a 910T3 that I slow charge (AC) most of the time. When I see the green light go on, I unplug and see 100%, but after I reboot into TWRP recovery it is usually like 93%. Which one is accurate? I'd prefer the green light to go on when it's really 100%. Thank you.
Also, the stock battery is about 20 months old, and I can use it to about 0%-1% before it shuts off.

You could try reinitializing your battery. However seeing as your battery is that old. You would be better off getting a new one.

What is reinitializing the battery? I really wanted to avoid buying a new battery unless I really had to. I've read people's battery dying at like 25% left, that's when I'd buy a new one.

burntrat said:
What is reinitializing the battery? I really wanted to avoid buying a new battery unless I really had to. I've read people's battery dying at like 25% left, that's when I'd buy a new one.
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Above post is correct as your battery is quite old it is probably time for a new one. My old note 4 was very similar to this before the emmc failed in it it would always show different percentages on battery,the phone died before i got to replace battery though

TheMadScientist said:
Above post is correct as your battery is quite old it is probably time for a new one. My old note 4 was very similar to this before the emmc failed in it it would always show different percentages on battery,the phone died before i got to replace battery though
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Man I was hoping it wasn't time for a new battery just yet. Also, sorry to hear about your n4. Looks like eventually all of them will die like that soon. I swear this was planned cause the n5 wasn't that great, trying to thin out the n4 herd.

burntrat said:
Man I was hoping it wasn't time for a new battery just yet. Also, sorry to hear about your n4. Looks like eventually all of them will die like that soon. I swear this was planned cause the n5 wasn't that great, trying to thin out the n4 herd.
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I loved my note 5. Battery killed in it too twice i haad a note 7 edge rom on it

TheMadScientist said:
I loved my note 5. Battery killed in it too twice i haad a note 7 edge rom on it
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I tried the no5 for a bit, but wasn't really impressed with it. It had it's pros and cons, but I felt the no4 was better overall for my uses. I read others saying pretty much the same thing with sticking with the no4 rather than moving on the no5 cause of no battery or microsd card support etc.
How did you deal with dead batteries out of warranty or did you have both battery issues in the first year?

burntrat said:
I tried the no5 for a bit, but wasn't really impressed with it. It had it's pros and cons, but I felt the no4 was better overall for my uses. I read others saying pretty much the same thing with sticking with the no4 rather than moving on the no5 cause of no battery or microsd card support etc.
How did you deal with dead batteries out of warranty or did you have both battery issues in the first year?
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Lol i bought 3 note 5s and pieced them together with one one good screen and a bad usb port on said screen i swapped the batteries myself I heated the baqck and didnt bust it just scratched it. so i ordered a new back and use small dabs of rubber cement to put it back on.
I do all my own repairs no warranty. i had a verizon tmobile and sprint mother boards luckily I rooted before the usb went out completly and used wifi file transfer and wireless charge for that issue. So much as I now despise Usb ports and no wireless charge on devices.

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Lol i bought 3 note 5s and pieced them together with one one good screen and a bad usb port on said screen i swapped the batteries myself I heated the baqck and didnt bust it just scratched it. so i ordered a new back and use small dabs of rubber cement to put it back on.
I do all my own repairs no warranty. i had a verizon tmobile and sprint mother boards luckily I rooted before the usb went out completly and used wifi file transfer and wireless charge for that issue. So much as I now despise Usb ports and no wireless charge on devices.
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Wow, I wish I had the skills and patience to do that. I know I'd make things worse and end up paying more in the long run for parts and fixing it. I think that is a huge reason why many won't move onto these newer phones without replaceable batteries.
I swapped out an older, but less used oem no4 battery and will see if it's any better.

So I'm using the older battery and lights up green at 100% (same level as TWRP rec).
But today, my phone just shut off at around 35-39% while in the middle of streaming a short video clip. Only way to turn it back on was to remove then reinsert the battery. Is this normal of dying batteries around the last 1/3 or could this possibly be an unstable kernel issue.

Yes or no answer: Battery replacement worth it.

Hey everyone,
I bought a nexus 6p last week refurbished. Pretty much I was expecting the famous battery failure and did get it on my nexus around 30% - 20%. So I bought a new battery yesterday it comes tomorrow and will give it in to a phone shop to get it done by a technician , I need a straight answer does it fix the problem permanently and will it boost battery life. I know there has been MANY MANY MANY topics about it but I just need a straight answer.
Thanks

Yes, I replaced mine myself. I went from 1 hour SOT, dying at 70%, to 6-7+ hours dying at 0%.
The issue wont be fixed permanently though, you're just mitigating the problem

I did the same on two Nexus 6Ps, totally worth the effort.

YES!

Alright! Thanks guys I got my battery today and im gonna hand it in to a phone shop and get it done! I'll keep you updated on it.

Well! That replacement was totally worth it! Before I had i replaced, I'd wake up at like 9am with 100% battery then around 12pm it would be on 67% and pretty much die at 30 or 20%.
Since i got it replaced I have noticed a overhaul of improvements with my battery especially with the Franco kernel my battery life has doubled by an insane amount. I can actually go out and come back with like 50% without rapid draining. I am genuinely happy with that replacement. It feels great.
Thanks who said it was worth changing the battery. If you're planning to swap it. Do it! It's worth your time.

What battery did you guys get?

lil_ith said:
What battery did you guys get?
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Hey lil_ith,
I got my battery from Ebay which provided me tools and the battery all for £12.95. I went to go check if the product is still in stock but it seems that the seller has removed the item off ebay I'll be more than happy to provide you to a genuine battery.
Not sure where about you live, but I live in the UK so I can only provide the UK products. Sorry about that.
Ebay Battery: Provides you with tools to change the battery and provides battery.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100-Genu...458139&hash=item3d56669afc:g:kJAAAOSwLjxaX0o3

ZuneYT said:
Hey lil_ith,
I got my battery from Ebay which provided me tools and the battery all for £12.95. I went to go check if the product is still in stock but it seems that the seller has removed the item off ebay I'll be more than happy to provide you to a genuine battery.
Not sure where about you live, but I live in the UK so I can only provide the UK products. Sorry about that.
Ebay Battery: Provides you with tools to change the battery and provides battery.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100-Genu...458139&hash=item3d56669afc:g:kJAAAOSwLjxaX0o3
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Hey thanks for the reply!! All good and looks good I believe. Only issue with those batteries is there's no Temp sensor I believe. Can you confirm?

Yes , i replaced my battery last month , and it works . My SOT has increased from an hour to 6-7 hours.

lil_ith said:
Hey thanks for the reply!! All good and looks good I believe. Only issue with those batteries is there's no Temp sensor I believe. Can you confirm?
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Err I'm not too sure about the temperature sensor on this battery. This product that I linked is not the one I bought, the one I bought the seller has took down the item for some reason. What i can do for you I can contact the seller from the one I linked you if it has a temperature sensor on it. If not then I'll let you know! :good:

ZuneYT said:
Err I'm not too sure about the temperature sensor on this battery. This product that I linked is not the one I bought, the one I bought the seller has took down the item for some reason. What i can do for you I can contact the seller from the one I linked you if it has a temperature sensor on it. If not then I'll let you know! :good:
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Ah makes sense. But yeah if its thin it doesn't have it. But that would be cool. Thank you

YES

I personally have a mixed feeling. I replaced my battery a little while ago, and it was working great for months, but now the battery began draining like crazy. I read somewhere that there was a defect on the motherboard itself and that battery replacement would only be a temporarily fix as the main defect would eventually bring the issue back. I'm thinking to move on at this point as I don't want to keep replacing battery.

goldentequila said:
I personally have a mixed feeling. I replaced my battery a little while ago, and it was working great for months, but now the battery began draining like crazy. I read somewhere that there was a defect on the motherboard itself and that battery replacement would only be a temporarily fix as the main defect would eventually bring the issue back. I'm thinking to move on at this point as I don't want to keep replacing battery.
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What's the defect? To me that just sounds like a low quality battery

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What's the defect? To me that just sounds like a low quality battery
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Read up on threads about batteries in this forum. That's how I found it. You'll also see that many people reporting back with the same issue no matter what battery tried. Some of us have been at this for a long time.

goldentequila said:
Read up on threads about batteries in this forum. That's how I found it. You'll also see that many people reporting back with the same issue no matter what battery tried. Some of us have been at this for a long time.
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I have been. I've been researching the hell out of it tbh and most of the time that's mentioned it's because it's a low quality battery. Since it lasts a couple of weeks - 2 months and then back to square one. That's due to bad batteries.

Had the battery swapped a few days ago and its worth it. Before the swap i would get like 1 hour SoT at best and my phone would sit at around 30% when i got home from work with the phone completely drained at around 7-8 pm. Now i get more then double the SoT even with heavy use and has enough charge left when i got to bed ( around 30% ).

lil_ith said:
I have been. I've been researching the hell out of it tbh and most of the time that's mentioned it's because it's a low quality battery. Since it lasts a couple of weeks - 2 months and then back to square one. That's due to bad batteries.
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Obviously, you haven't enough or you would have found the posts I'm talking about. I'm not going to find that post for you, and if you simply choose to not believe me, there is nothing I can do. I offered info. If you choose to deny it, then that's where our conversation ends. Take care.

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Obviously, you haven't enough or you would have found the posts I'm talking about. I'm not going to find that post for you, and if you simply choose to not believe me, there is nothing I can do. I offered info. If you choose to deny it, then that's where our conversation ends. Take care.
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I visited a local shop near were I used to live for my gfs nexus and it's going 6months with no issues or degration, shut down or otherwise. I no longer live there or I would go back to repair my phone at the same location. Hopefully in a couple of months I can. I will report to you guys, I have not been able to find a legitimate battery to do it myself or a local shop at my current location. I know BLOD is an issue but that is not related to battery. I guess people could have faulty motherboards but not all of us do. But I'm not denying or agreeing with you because there's lots of people who bought batteries of poor quality and lasted about a month before going back to what they delt with before. I'm not to sure of this conversation is going but I hope you can fix your battery soon. Nexus besides its issues is still an amazing device and I hope I can keep it running for a couple more years.