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Hey guys,
I previously reviewed JMC firmware that was noted as recent on the development scene of firmwares.
Here is a quick run down of JME, which by all means deserves its own review.
I did however also want to give a quick overview of what I've seen so far in in JMC having started on stock Bell firmware and then going to JPK5, then JM6, JMA, JMC and then recently moving on to JME. Currently I'm using Roto-JME full flash with the samsung addons and no OCLF.
For most new people, or people afraid or unsure of whether to flash here is a really quick breakdown of what I've seen changed, improved so far since JM6, JMA, JMC:
Pros:
-Fastest ROM yet - even faster than JMC by quite a bit.
-Smoothest browser yet. In JMC it was a bit above Miren's performance but this time its no comparison. Engadget with flash loads insanely fast and scrolling is super smooth. Its impressive, in fact comparing to the bell stock tab, its almost mind boggling.
-Smoother drop down bar (seems to remain smoother now, so a noted improvement over JMC, though observe below)
-Great performance in TWUi - on par with JMC
-Email app is responsive, smooth and works perfectly. (Exchange not tested yet)
-No more issues with Screen timeout. (Some people reported issues with this in JMC but after heavy testing there is no way I can reproduce this old issue.)
-No more jagged browsing experience like in Bell Stock firmware
-Gallery app is still silky silky smooth even when browsing 2.5 gb of pictures.
-Browser multi-touch, two finger zoom has improved vastly. (on par with JMC)
-Full Bluetooth HID support (compared to Stock Bell Firmware) which means full keyboard/mouse support!
Cons:
-No updated Market App (quick fix)
-Swype still not scaling properly (Lol.. pm me for how to fix that if you must)
-Smoother drop down bar (still not as smooth as it should be. If this thing was silky smooth like it is on phones it would make this Tab such a sexy beast IMO)
Untested/Unknown:
-Batterylife affected? -Battery life on JMC was superb, so we'll see.
-Pinch to zoom in Dolphin HD
-DPI issues as others have reported (although I'd stay away from DPI modifications as of now)
-Performance improvement with OLFC (for tab) untested yet
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Having HEAVILY used Stock Bell and JMA and most recently JMC, since I use my tab at work.. I will say, the browser performance in this build truly blew my mind. It was so much better than stock. Having compared 2 tabs, one Bell Stock and JMC I am absolutely stunned at the difference when browsing sites like Engadget or Gizmodo. The multi-touch to zoom support is so much better in this build. I feel the browser is near perfect. Infact when compared to my iPhone it handles these kind of pages without a hiccup (as it should lol)
Props to Samsung for their great work! Thanks to Rotohammer as I've used his cooked JMA, JMC and JME. This dude is a pro! Click here to find his guide on how to flash JME and also his JME cut.
Also:
READ UP before flashing. There are things you must know about protected bootloaders and such. All of this can be found here. Despite these warnings, Roto's JME cut is already futureproofed and this issue no longer applies if you are doing things carefully and in an educated manner.
That is interesting. I am so running the JME packaged by rotohammer, however the stock browser is still way too laggy IMO. It doesn't even compare to my iPhone and Miren is so much smoother than it. It is however, the best stock browser on the tab that I have used yet.
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That is interesting. I am so running the JME packaged by rotohammer, however the stock browser is still way too laggy IMO. It doesn't even compare to my iPhone and Miren is so much smoother than it. It is however, the best stock browser on the tab that I have used yet.
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Hey
So quick question:
Full format install? Or upgrade?
Full format install.
Hate to disappoint...
seven2099: Thanks for the detailed review, I'm sure it will help quite a few while forming their opinion - but I think you set their expectations bar higher than it should...
So just to clarify: I came to share my next-to-nothing experience in regards to the way its "fastness" being described, because frankly - I don't see/feel/taste it.
The Flash experience, from POV, is either:
A. Not useable
B. Laggy
So yes, obviously being laggy is an improvement, but it's still laggy.
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I almost forgot to thank RotoHammer
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seven2099: Thanks for the detailed review, I'm sure it will help quite a few while forming their opinion - but I think you set their expectations bar higher than it should...
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I don't think so - my experience is much like seven2099s.
Note that "lag" is very subjective - my desktop browsers are not always silky smooth and neither are the browsers on my Macs. So, I don't expect my Tab to be either, but for the most part it works very well. On the latest JM builds, I find I don't even need to set plugs to "On Demands" to cope with flash heavy sites.
Regards,
Dave
You're right that being 'laggy' needs to be compared, compared to my friend's IPad (with flash) - which behaves rather smooth,... My stock firmware was simply unuseable (flash), while Roto-JME is an improvement, it's nothing close to being smooth.
So yea, I have IPad as a reference - why would I expect my Tab performance to anything less?
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So yea, I have IPad as a reference - why would I expect my Tab performance to anything less?
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You are asking the wrong question! The question is, is the Tab's browsing performance acceptable on the JME build? The answer to that question, IMO, is definitely yes, whereas on the pre-JMx builds it was not. And I would definitely say that for most sites it is smooth - one site that was brought up as being unusable on the earlier firmwares was ESPN, which is now very usable, though I wouldn't say it was "smooth".
I couldn't give a monkeys that the iPad might be smoother, because fundamentally the iPad does not suit my purposes, so any comparison between the two is moot as far as I'm concerned.
Regards,
Dave
(Still) downloading Roto-JME now, its been running for around 3 hours already. I don't know whats up with that since my other downloads run fine. Sometimes the speed goes down to < 3kbps. Probably my route to the server.
I wish file hashes were provided for firmwares, so we can verify if our downloads aren't corrupt.
@foxmeister: Quite frankly I'm starting to think that it's not about the wrong question, rather about the wrong answer.
You asked a completely different question: "is the Tab's browsing performance acceptable on the JME build?"
Read the descriptions the original post had, and you tell me if these descriptions apply as "acceptable performance" to the common reader...
As I said... I hate to disappoint - and I already thanked seven2099, but I wouldn't use such descriptions to describe it. The fact the original behavior was pretty much unuseable (for me), doesn't mean we should use such descriptions.
An improvement? Yes,
But laggy nevertheless.
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An improvement? Yes,
But laggy nevertheless.
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That's my whole point - in my experience, for the most part, the JME browser isn't at all laggy until you start getting flash heavy. Once you get flash heavy, yes it lags, but not unacceptably so (and probably not a lot worse than my desktop browsers), unlike the original stock browser which was awful even on simple sites.
The difference between the JME browser and the one that shipped on my Tab is like night and day as far as I'm concerned. I do think it is fair to say that the difference between the two is "mind boggling", primarily though because Samsung should have never shipped the Tab with the browser in the state it was.
Regards,
Dave
+1 on JME. The difference isn't huge but it is noticeable. The Roto upgrade on top of JMC with no wipe worked like a charm.
Now we just need to figure out how to unlock these bootloaders because that is weighing heavy on my mind.
@foxmeister: I'm glad that we agree
Hey, anyone else that doesn't have the RELATED section in the Market? Mine didn't have tabs for it in the old version, doesn't have it as a section below Comments in the updated carousel version either, but all my Android phones (yes, I have too many phones) have it.
This isn't specific to JME, I had the same issue with JK5 as well, and clearing Market data and/or uninstalling Market updates doesn't help.
Croak said:
Hey, anyone else that doesn't have the RELATED section in the Market? Mine didn't have tabs for it in the old version, doesn't have it as a section below Comments in the updated carousel version either, but all my Android phones (yes, I have too many phones) have it.
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I have it on my Tab - it is called Similar though, under Comments. No different to the Market on my Desire HD.
Regards,
Dave
ShaiH said:
You're right that being 'laggy' needs to be compared, compared to my friend's IPad (with flash) - which behaves rather smooth,... My stock firmware was simply unuseable (flash), while Roto-JME is an improvement, it's nothing close to being smooth.
So yea, I have IPad as a reference - why would I expect my Tab performance to anything less?
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Because the Tab supports Adobe Flash, and since Adobe Flash is a bloated pile of crap, it makes the browser slow. Uninstall Flash, and the browser will be quicker.
Unfortunately, I'm with Steve Jobs on this one. Flash needs to die.
ShaiH said:
You're right that being 'laggy' needs to be compared, compared to my friend's IPad (with flash) - which behaves rather smooth,... My stock firmware was simply unuseable (flash), while Roto-JME is an improvement, it's nothing close to being smooth.
So yea, I have IPad as a reference - why would I expect my Tab performance to anything less?
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Thanks for your input but I will note that you do not technically have Flash on your ipad. Whats available is some half-assed plugin that enables you to use some very basic flash functions. Having said that, and having used it, it is by NO means comparable to full fledged flash support.
Now, as to your comparison. I personally don't find the iPad that snappy and zippy when browsing. For the most part it is, but sometimes it wigs out just like most mobile browsers out there. While you are free to compare your tab to an iPad, I do not as I find although they are both tablet devices, we are talking about two completely different devices with different purposes. Sadly for now the Tab is lagging more on the app support, simply because its running on cellphone OS. Thats not to say that there arent tab apps already (like TouchDown Exchange which has a tablet mode) but there needs to be many many more. We'll see what the future brings
To those of you complaining about browser performance with Flash enabled - just change the plugin setting to on-demand. Then you'll have to tap a flash movie/application to load it - saves you loading up flash banner ads as well.
Hey everybody, I flashed roto jme upgrade from jk5 on my att usa tab. I can say that overall performance has definitely improved from jk5. Browser performance was the biggest improvement. Now, for issues I'm experiencing. First, is I'm getting a "camera failed" error when trying to start up my camera everytime so my camera feature is dead right now. Second, is an audio issue with speakerphone and Bluetooth only. Music and videos etc. Still work great. With speakerphone it seems the volume scale is offset. As I increase the volume it gets louder like normal till I reach the last 2 or 3 clicks of reaching max volume then it's like it resets back to the lowest volume. With Bluetooth the volume increases like normal except the volume starts off really soft and stays soft even though it's getting louder. So, at max volume it's still hard to hear out of the Bluetooth headset. Third, I notice that symbols and text have kind of a rougher edge around them unlike before. It almost seems like my video card on my computer was dying. Fourth, is my apps don't seem to update/refresh as set in their settings. Seems like they don't update at all or they take longer than the set time to update. Please beware that these are just my personal experiences testing the roto jme upgrade firmware and am not in anyway bashing the firmware. This post is just to let others know what my experience is with the firmware. I will say again overall performance is in my opinion better than jk5.
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It seems that people have very different experience while using the same ROM.
I have not discovered yet any issues related to JME. Camera, browser, flash, audio, and everything else works just fine on US TM Tab. I did upgrade without formatting to Roto-JME and factory reset after that.
There is something that makes outcome so different.
Should note that I did not attempt any lag fixes and cpu tweaks. I don't run widgets and have no animation. I am on 802.11n wifi with cellular data turned off, GSM phone - on. I am interested in fast response and the Tab deliveres it.
Hi all,
I discovered the Antutu benchmark performance testing app, as I was looking into some lagging i've been experiencing when switching between apps. I've even tried improving performance using SetCPU, but i'm still not completely impressed with this tablet compared with a gen 2 iPad I had previously.
My tablet stacked up OK in the test, but the standard performance of a couple of the Samsung tablets and an HTC phone (I think) was quite a bit better. This was a bit of a shock, as I understood that this tablet was supposed to be a pretty solid performer.
Does anyone have thoughts on this? Are my expectations unrealistic? Is there something I should do?
At the moment the tablet is rooted and running Apex Launcher.
Thanks!
fearofbirds said:
Hi all,
I discovered the Antutu benchmark performance testing app, as I was looking into some lagging i've been experiencing when switching between apps. I've even tried improving performance using SetCPU, but i'm still not completely impressed with this tablet compared with a gen 2 iPad I had previously.
My tablet stacked up OK in the test, but the standard performance of a couple of the Samsung tablets and an HTC phone (I think) was quite a bit better. This was a bit of a shock, as I understood that this tablet was supposed to be a pretty solid performer.
Does anyone have thoughts on this? Are my expectations unrealistic? Is there something I should do?
At the moment the tablet is rooted and running Apex Launcher.
Thanks!
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Both Samsung and HTC are known to be cheating in benchmarks and HTC is still doing it. That said, I don't care about benchmarks. I know what the hardware is capable of and I where hoping for some custom roms to advantage of, but things are moving slow and I may have been a bit too optimistic. One thing I am very happy about compared to my ipad is ram. My ipad keeps killing apps and have to reload when I return. Even having two tabs open in safari and trying to copy/paste between them is a big hassle. I am very happy with mine and have no problems, except marking text is broken at least in chrome (if you drag to extend your selection, it will drop to next line, making it almost impossible to mark the multiple words you want).
pmeinert said:
Both Samsung and HTC are known to be cheating in benchmarks and HTC is still doing it. That said, I don't care about benchmarks. I know what the hardware is capable of and I where hoping for some custom roms to advantage of, but things are moving slow and I may have been a bit too optimistic. One thing I am very happy about compared to my ipad is ram. My ipad keeps killing apps and have to reload when I return. Even having two tabs open in safari and trying to copy/paste between them is a big hassle. I am very happy with mine and have no problems, except marking text is broken at least in chrome (if you drag to extend your selection, it will drop to next line, making it almost impossible to mark the multiple words you want).
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Hmm... OK. THanks for the thoughts. I guess it might be that the niggling problems with the z2 are going to be sorted out with software updates by Sony as time progresses - hopefully that is the case.
And i'm really not completely sure of how custom ROMs work and whether they would help, but if that is a prospect i'd definitely take advantage of. For interest, which custom ROM that may soon come out would you recommend? And why?
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Hmm... OK. THanks for the thoughts. I guess it might be that the niggling problems with the z2 are going to be sorted out with software updates by Sony as time progresses - hopefully that is the case.
And i'm really not completely sure of how custom ROMs work and whether they would help, but if that is a prospect i'd definitely take advantage of. For interest, which custom ROM that may soon come out would you recommend? And why?
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I must be lucky, because I don't experience any of the those touch problem people report. Maybe Sony's have used parts from more suppliers and only parts from a specific supplier experience the problem. I don't know, I just hope for everybody and that it get sorted out.
It is difficult to recommend any rom, when there are none. This is my first Android tablet and I have no experience with the rom situation. However on my phones I have been using carbon rom with great success. It is based on Cyanogenmod, but has additional functionality from other roms. Especially I like the expanded desktop (immersive/fullscreen) functionality and slim-shortcuts to different settings including toggling expanded desktop. I am not using it at the moment though, because I have updated my Htc One m7 to latest Sense 6 rom (or rather a custom rom based on original Sense 6 rom) and whatever HTC have done, it is working, I have never had such a speedy rom. I also like the makeover HTC did with Sense6, so I think I will stay with it, although I used to dislike Sense.
Hey all,
I bought a One Plus 2 yesterday (coming from the Galaxy S6) and immediately noticed how unbearably laggy the Oxygen OS was - am I the only one experiencing this? I get a few moments of fluid animations but then things just get choppy, especially compared to the Galaxy S6. I've since put the Chinese Hydrogen version on and it seems a lot more fluid but I just feel like it should be a lot faster? I've been considering just selling it on but this phone is perfect in nearly every other regard.
I was thinking that maybe this is just how things will be until some decent updates come along? Unless I'm the only person experiencing the choppiness.. Then I suppose I should be pretty worried indeed. As a point of reference, I've also used the Moto X 2014 and Z3 Compact which both seemed considerably smoother in operation. Some input from you guys would be great, along with any tips you might have to get the most out of this amazing phone.
Thanks.
Lol coming from an s6 you think its laggy? I switched from an s6 and compared to that this is the fastest phone I've ever had
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Yes it is laggy as oxygen is still on beta, but you should wait and give time as it is a beast, give some time to one plus and they will fix the issues
You did update it right? The build it comes with is as dog**** as the home button is
Just update to 2.0.2 and u'll be fine.
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Yup.. It usually lags when you switch to airplane mode.
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Phone is brand new. OxygenOS is in beta.. Let some development happen man, these specs dont lie
I updated and just got mine! Excited but it is slow. Some things up
Seems fast to me. I showed the OPT to my coworker who has an S6 Edge and he was impressed. He said it was faster than his S6. I didn't even ask him that.
Lol you obviously didn't use the fingerprint sensor to turn it on then or try to go to the home screen pressing the sensor home button. Jk
I've had several phones with fingerprint scanners and this one is by far the fastest so far and the phone is quick. Home button works great also. Maybe I just got lucky.
Yeah mine's pretty slow. I went into a phone store today and tried out the Huawei Mate 7, which on paper looks way behind the Oneplus 2, and it KILLED my OPT when opening apps.
I often get lag here and there, but this is less of a problem for me. My mane gripe is how long it takes to open an app. Like, I hit the Phone icon and it literally takes up to a second to launch. That Mate 7 was practically instant.
What gives, Oneplus?
A lot of the issues I initially had with oxygen were fixed after disabling hardware buttons, including excessive battery drain, heating up, and lag similar to what you're seeing. Maybe it has something to do with grounding? Or maybe I just got used to it :S
This phone is just not meant to be a daily driver with the frustration it brings. If you want to be less mad install cm 12.1. Makes things much better than oxygen
Try flashing OxygenOS 2.0.2 again and then factory reset. You may see a bump in speed. I personally have no quirks with the fluidity of the phone. While it does have some bugs all over the place, never once did the phone feel sluggish. But with that said, the OS does need a lot more polish to really make it feel truly complete. Right now despite all the OTAs OxygenOS still feels incomplete, or maybe its because I'm too used to the versatility of a CM based ROM.
It's slow for about a minute after boot but then things are really fast
Jazza2246 said:
Hey all,
I bought a One Plus 2 yesterday (coming from the Galaxy S6) and immediately noticed how unbearably laggy the Oxygen OS was - am I the only one experiencing this? I get a few moments of fluid animations but then things just get choppy, especially compared to the Galaxy S6. I've since put the Chinese Hydrogen version on and it seems a lot more fluid but I just feel like it should be a lot faster? I've been considering just selling it on but this phone is perfect in nearly every other regard.
I was thinking that maybe this is just how things will be until some decent updates come along? Unless I'm the only person experiencing the choppiness.. Then I suppose I should be pretty worried indeed. As a point of reference, I've also used the Moto X 2014 and Z3 Compact which both seemed considerably smoother in operation. Some input from you guys would be great, along with any tips you might have to get the most out of this amazing phone.
Thanks.
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Actually, the problem is because 2 google apps are using your CPU way too much. Disable the sheets and the slides apps in settings and you should be fine. CPU usage dropped by 40% in cpu-z after disabling these apps.
Update:- actually the CPU now has really less usage after disabling (5% after disabling.).
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Actually, the problem is because 2 google apps are using your CPU way too much. Disable the sheets and the slides apps in settings and you should be fine. CPU usage dropped by 40% in cpu-z after disabling these apps.
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That's something new.. I anyway just remove these apps from my /system..
Im on OOS 2.1.2 rooted.. Having xposed and AK kernel.. No lags.. Super fluid..
For those complaining about the slow app launching, download a 3rd party launcher and you'll see instantly the difference in app launching. I prefer google now launcher to maintain that stock feel.
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That's something new.. I anyway just remove these apps from my /system..
Im on OOS 2.1.2 rooted.. Having xposed and AK kernel.. No lags.. Super fluid..
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You see, I saw some lag and I went to developer options>show CPU usage and the most of the CPU usage came from the sheets and slides apps.
I don't have a good first impression of my S6.
The stock rom eats 8G of the internal storage.
It has a terrible lag, and jitters all over the place. Even just scrolling up and down in the settings screen is laggy. The lag in Chrome gets very frustrating very quickly
Too much bloatware. A whole microsoft suite (among other things) that I will never use and cannot uninstall
Touchwiz launcher, its not really great
On the plus side
the finger scanner is good.
The screen is really nice, but I suppose rendering all those pixels is whats causing it to lag like crazy.
Pleased that samsung made a theme chooser. At last we can remove the awful default turquoise colours.
But I immediately know I'm going to have to root and put a custom rom on here to get it working to my satisfaction .... is there any ROM recommendations to remove all lags, stutters and bloatware?
Is it just me? I am surprised I don't see a ton of people complaining about this
Im on xtrestolite deo mod and have no of the problem i had with stock u could always get titanium backup and freeze all that bloat might help. I know that when i ran stock it would often run out of ram. Now i have betwewn 1 and 1.4gb free.
Wait for the Marshmallow update and judge it again then. Samsung redesigned the whole TouchWiz thing launcher, icons, performance everything. From what I read from the beta is really promising and fast.
Never saw any lag, stock or otherwise. I did occasionally have some low ram redraws on stock, but on roms those are long gone. Maybe take a look in your application manager at what's running and see if there's any unnecessary junk running that's eating your ram. Did it start or persist from any old software, or show up from new software ie updates?
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Never saw any lag, stock or otherwise. I did occasionally have some low ram redraws on stock, but on roms those are long gone. Maybe take a look in your application manager at what's running and see if there's any unnecessary junk running that's eating your ram. Did it start or persist from any old software, or show up from new software ie updates?
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Me too, no lag at all, with stock BUT... if you run MM BETA and then go back to 5.1.1 you will see a very "slow device"
This phone does lag like hell, I had one about 7 months a go and that wasn't too bad.
Picked one up last week and the difference is shocking now, have tried different launchers and no difference.
Makes me laugh how Samsung can't seem to make a phone that is smooth. I have even swapped this out for another one.
All this guff about no more lag in the press conference.
Never had any issues even before I rooted and put a stock modified rom, only thing I would have liked better is battery life, but I get a days use out of it atleast
No offense, but anyone saying the S6 doesn't lag or stutter must either not know what we're talking about or have low fps eyes ?. This phone is an absolute lagfest on stock firmware.
Try scrolling in Google+ or even Tapatalk and you'll see dropped frames all over the place.
Just about the only thing that helps is flashing a custom kernel and enabling enforced mode (try Unikernel for size). That makes a world of difference.
yes I have the s6 since 4 months now. before I had a oneplus one. this was fast. but the s6 is very Laggy. however it has the best benchmarks but the Ui it's definitely Laggy on every edge. so I had a lot of other devices before. for me the most qualcom devices are running smoother. but there are some other positive aspects on the s6
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st0kes said:
I don't have a good first impression of my S6.
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It has a terrible lag, and jitters all over the place. Even just scrolling up and down in the settings screen is laggy. The lag in Chrome gets very frustrating very quickly
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Lag?? U sure, mate? I'm using the S6 for more than a few months now and there is no lag in the UI. Maybe some minor frame drops occasionally (I'm sensitive to those , most people don't notice them), but no lag. It's not normal.
Mine is stock with some native apps disabled. Also I jave turned off the smart manager protection. And I can compare it with Nexus 5. I'v had many Android devices and I know what I'm talking about.
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I don't have a good first impression of my S6.
The stock rom eats 8G of the internal storage.
It has a terrible lag, and jitters all over the place. Even just scrolling up and down in the settings screen is laggy. The lag in Chrome gets very frustrating very quickly
Too much bloatware. A whole microsoft suite (among other things) that I will never use and cannot uninstall
Touchwiz launcher, its not really great
On the plus side
the finger scanner is good.
The screen is really nice, but I suppose rendering all those pixels is whats causing it to lag like crazy.
Pleased that samsung made a theme chooser. At last we can remove the awful default turquoise colours.
But I immediately know I'm going to have to root and put a custom rom on here to get it working to my satisfaction .... is there any ROM recommendations to remove all lags, stutters and bloatware?
Is it just me? I am surprised I don't see a ton of people complaining about this
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buy another phone. it's that simple.
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Lag?? U sure, mate? I'm using the S6 for more than a few months now and there is no lag in the UI. Maybe some minor frame drops occasionally (I'm sensitive to those , most people don't notice them), but no lag. It's not normal.
Mine is stock with some native apps disabled. Also I jave turned off the smart manager protection. And I can compare it with Nexus 5. I'v had many Android devices and I know what I'm talking about.
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I've also owned countless Android devices (including Nexus). Most recently I came from an OPO and a Z3C before the S6. GUI lag/stutter is a pet peeve of mine with Android, and while the OPO was almost perfect after some optimization and the Z3C turned out OK, the S6 is frankly a joke in comparison. Especially considering its theoretically superior performance.
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buy another phone. it's that simple.
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Do you always give up so easily?
I think I'll try the Samsung marshmallow firmware, cheers for the tip @Riardon ... if its just the same I'll try some custom roms.
I'm kinda glad others confirm the lag/stuttering and its not just me.
For comparison, the phone I am replacing is a S5 running Exodus rom, there is absolutely zero lag or frames dropped in any scrolling or animations. It really makes the S6 look bad. Not what I expected as the S5 is like 18 months old now.
Here is a quick video I made for the non-believers out there. S6 is on the left. It doesn't matter that the video is not in focus (because of my finger getting in the way), the point I am trying to make is scrolling should be smooth on a new, expensive Android phone, I am astonished at how bad it is on the S6. Other places in the phone are also bad, Chrome is the worst though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKos5oFPyo
Keep in mind, however, if you do root you will most likely trip the knox counter on your device. This could cause some problems with warranty, and you would not be able to use Samsung pay on the device. If these things don't matter to you. Rooting is okay.
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Here is a quick video I made for the non-believers out there. S6 is on the left. It doesn't matter that the video is not in focus (because of my finger getting in the way), the point I am trying to make is scrolling should be smooth on a new, expensive Android phone, I am astonished at how bad it is on the S6. Other places in the phone are also bad, Chrome is the worst though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKos5oFPyo
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Keep in mind, however, if you do root you will most likely trip the knox counter on your device. This could cause some problems with warranty, and you would not be able to use Samsung pay on the device. If these things don't matter to you. Rooting is okay.
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Rooting/flashing ROMs/kernels can be done without tripping knox by using the engineering bootloader. You'll find great tutorials here on xda.
My S6 has never lagged, not even on stock. I found it to be smooth in generally and I am someone who looks at framedrops and any other possible slowdowns.
Also guys don't forget to check your apps. It may sound weird but some well known apps causing some extra lag on top of what TouchWiz has. For example I found out that SwiftKey on my devices creates some extra lag and it's slower than other keyboards. Some apps are just not optimized well and this the reason some guys see worse lags and stutters than others. This one is tricky to determine those apps but you have to experiment. TouchWiz as it is now yes it's laggy but not worse than older TouchWin on S5 for example. Still needs work but Marshmallow is promising. Wait until then guys you may surprised pleasantly. Unfortunately some apps on Android running like sh***t and we blame the phone sometimes. And remember to always keep your phone at minimal. Disable all extra stuff you don't use and use only the apps you actually use often or truly need. This is for all phones not only for this one.
Fruktsallad said:
Can't access your video for some reason...
Rooting/flashing ROMs/kernels can be done without tripping knox by using the engineering bootloader. You'll find great tutorials here on xda.
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If I understand correctly using the engineering bootloader results in the loss of use of the fingerprint scanner.
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If I understand correctly using the engineering bootloader results in the loss of use of the fingerprint scanner.
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Correct. So worth it imho though.
Anybody know of a fix for the ridiculous amount of lag on Pie? Between that and the sad excuse of video recording, I'm really debating on going back to my buttery smooth Z2force. The only problem is this phone is pure eye candy, comfortable to hold, and my hands have betrayed my eyes recognition of the lag and fell in love this phone. . The performance is more like snapdragon 620 than 835. Any help regarding this situation would be highly appreciated
I have no lag on Pie, beta 3 or official. Sounds like your due for a full wipe
Well now that sucks considering I just moved about 90gigs to the device and thought I did a full wipe but just notice Alexa still installed. The funny thing is I had very little late lag on Beta 3.
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Well now that sucks considering I just moved about 90gigs to the device and thought I did a full wipe but just notice Alexa still installed. The funny thing is I had very little late lag on Beta 3.
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I discovered this a month ago and it helps.just go to root/system/buildprop. Add the following to right under additional build settings.then reboot. That's the default setting, but u can mess with the value to get it to your liking
You're only saying there is lag, you're not describing where you are seeing this lag?
The only thing I can say is I thought apps would open faster on this, I have a phone with a SD625, and between this and the Essential, opening and closing apps seems like the same speed. But the startup on the Essential is faster...
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You're only saying there is lag, you're not describing where you are seeing this lag?
The only thing I can say is I thought apps would open faster on this, I have a phone with an SD625, and between this and the Essential, opening and closing apps seems like the same speed. But the startup on the Essential is faster...
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Scrolling in-app, swiping in-app and launcher, and also scrolling cards in recents. I have a z2force with SD835 and comparing this phone to the z2 this phone feels like an SD626
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Scrolling in-app, swiping in-app and launcher, and also scrolling cards in recents. I have a z2force with SD835 and comparing this phone to the z2 this phone feels like an SD626
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If I were you, I'd wipe everything, and then fastboot the full official pie update. Just to fully eliminate software.
Hi there I am the same boat like you . I got lag typing on keyboard scroll is not smooth at all .I tried reinstalling the latest build and factory full reset pus wipe all data .I can't resolve the lag I think they rush to get it in the same date like the pixel but is not optimised for this device for example get an icon and hold it and get it to place it in another location you will find out that the icon is behind when you move it
The only and I think temporary fix is by doing this
Go and click 5 times on build number and go in developer settings you will find there touch sensitivity set it to 10 let say default is 4 I think . You will improve touch latency a bit .
I just bought the device I don't know how it was on Oreo but I can say on this pie build official is not smooth
@mookiexl got to the Developer Options;
Windows animation scale - off
Transition animation scale - off or .5x
Animator duration scale - off or .5x
Also increasing the 'Touch Sensitivity' increases the scrolling speed.
Play with these and watch it fly! LOL
It would be great if someone can take a video so we can actually see this lag with our own eyes.
I just got my phone and it turned out bad, sending it back, new one on the way. It makes me wonder now if all the stories about bad hardware is true on these phones, since I've never had a bad phone ever in my life, then my first Essential turns out bad.
Wifi problems connecting
Statusbar icons appearing in white, turn all black
Phone speaker, bad quality, can't even turn it up, or it gets distorted
Head speaker, is low, volume isn't loud enough
Adaptive brightness doesn't work
Volume got stuck at one point when it was set as all the way down, no sound, then I wasn't able turn the sound back on, nothing would happen on either buttons...
So hopefully new phone arriving will be better, and from this experience, I think I'll keep it on Oreo for a long time, until people start raving over Pie.
And between a SD625 and this SD835, can't say I saw a big speed difference too... hmm
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@mookiexl got to the Developer Options;
Windows animation scale - off
Transition animation scale - off or .5x
Animator duration scale - off or .5x
Also increasing the 'Touch Sensitivity' increases the scrolling speed.
Play with these and watch it fly! LOL
It would be great if someone can take a video so we can actually see this lag with our own eyes.
I just got my phone and it turned out bad, sending it back, new one on the way. It makes me wonder now if all the stories about bad hardware is true on these phones, since I've never had a bad phone ever in my life, then my first Essential turns out bad.
Wifi problems connecting
Statusbar icons appearing in white, turn all black
Phone speaker, bad quality, can't even turn it up, or it gets distorted
Head speaker, is low, volume isn't loud enough
Adaptive brightness doesn't work
Volume got stuck at one point when it was set as all the way down, no sound, then I wasn't able turn the sound back on, nothing would happen on either buttons...
So hopefully new phone arriving will be better, and from this experience, I think I'll keep it on Oreo for a long time, until people start raving over Pie.
And between a SD625 and this SD835, can't say I saw a big speed difference too... hmm
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I hear ya brother. To be fair I haven't had any of those other problems I heard about before buying the phone besides what's mentioned in this thread. 3rd party camera apps with full manual control drastically improved camera quality for my device. If you want to see the lag I'm taking about just YouTube it.
As far as SD625 and Sd835, there's a huge difference for me being a power user. Lots of gaming, editing videos, download big files, or even just transferring data from internal to external sd you will definitely see a big difference in performance during any memory extensive task.
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Do you know any YouTube videos with the same issues you're having, you can show us?
I only found one for Camera Portrait Lag.
Fastboot install of 9.0 over the official July 8.1. Magisk root.
No device lag or issues with WiFi, volume or any of the things above. The only lag I see is my own getting to grips with the UI changes.
USOpen device used in the UK.
It sounds like you're both having some kind of install/integrity issue. Did you test the checksum?
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@mookiexl
Do you know any YouTube videos with the same issues you're having, you can show us?
I only found one for Camera Portrait Lag.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbw_TUnfXuU
kboya said:
Fastboot install of 9.0 over the official July 8.1. Magisk root.
No device lag or issues with WiFi, volume or any of the things above. The only lag I see is my own getting to grips with the UI changes.
USOpen device used in the UK.
It sounds like you're both having some kind of install/integrity issue. Did you test the checksum?
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All I've done since receiving the device is take all system updates and then unlocked bootloader which in turn wipe data. See the video I posted for details. If you have another SD835 device to compare it too try tha,t or better yet don't because it will make the lag very bothersome once you know its there.
That video is a year old. I have no discernible lag even with upward of 20 apps in the background, but I'm not saying that you don't.
Also, I had this and a Google PXL at the same time up until a few weeks ago. If anything, the PH1 was better, smoother and faster.
I've got serious lag... Keyoress lag, stuttering during scrolling. Could it be because of RAM usage? The stats in developer options say that I using 3.4 out of 3.9 gb on average....
garywojdan81 said:
I have no lag on Pie, beta 3 or official. Sounds like your due for a full wipe
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Can you explain how I dod a full wipe?
Since the Dec update much less ram.locked up
autosurgeon said:
Since the Dec update much less ram.locked up
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I'm on November and ram management Is fine for me.
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