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Hi all,
I bought my (German WM, standard ROM) Shift about 4 months ago, and have spent a lot of time getting it working “just how I want it”. That’s been very successful. I’ve had a huge amount of help, both from here and in German language Shift forums, so now maybe I can give something back.
My Shift has:
Windows 7 Ultimate English
2mb memory
128gb SDD
SHAGCtrl with working buttons
Resolution changer with working buttons
EVERYTHING is working – Wi-Fi, NDIS GSM, Bluetooth. The power management (hibernate etc.) is faultless. My Shift is really fast, super useful, and I carry it at all times. I love my Shift - a machine that was discontinued before its time. HTC?
My wife likes my Shift so much I had to buy her one as well, that’s not (yet) upgraded giving me a great chance to compare side-by-side, modified and un-modified. I didn’t try to differentiate between performance changes due to upgrading to W7, upgrading memory or upgrading to the SSD, as I only wanted to dismantle my Shift once!
Using the built-in Windows 7 “Performance Information and Tools”, the standard and modded Shift were identical EXCEPT:
Memory (RAM) subscore DROPPED from 3.7 on standard to only 3.4 on modded. I don’t know why, maybe the 2gb module is slower?
Primary hard disk subscore went from 3.7 to a massive 6.1!
As far as I can tell, the SDD makes NO DIFFERENCE to battery life – it’s just a whole lot faster!
The 2gb Shift with 128gb SSD takes just 0:42 seconds from power-on to “Press Ctrl-Alt-Delete”.
The 1gb Shift with original disk takes an eternal 1:45! The modded Shift is MUCH snappier and is a pleasure to use.
I believe Windows 7 instead of Vista, 2gb instead of 1 and the SSD ALL made a difference. Of course, this was not a cheap exercise, but the resulting Shift is still a pretty unique device and it’s up to you if you want to spend so much as well.
Problems? Yes. My wife is German-speaking so I tried to install the optional German language pack. That killed SHAGCtrl completely and I haven’t found a solution yet. Also (and this is really obscure), we access a hosted Microsoft Exchange server for our emails. This connection requires you to configure a HTTP proxy in Outlook, to connect to the server. This failed on logon with an odd error message containing “cannot find TILES”! After a lot of work, I found that the Shift’s fingerprint scanner was interfering with sending the password to the Exchange server. Uninstalling the VitalKey software fixed this – I can do without the fingerprint scanner. You are unlikely to encounter this unless you too access an Exchange server from Outlook with HTTP proxy.
OK, the details.
The most useful tool you can BUY when attempting this is a copy of Acronis True Image. Take frequent images so you can go back when it all goes wrong – and this is very likely, however careful you are. Saves a huge amount of time. Note that the original recovery partition remains intact, so you can always go back to Vista, up to the point you change the disk.
Attach the Shift USB network dongle and ensure that all radio devices are enabled (Wi-Fi, GSM and Bluetooth) before starting with installation of W7. I even found a memory card and plugged that in. This is so that W7 finds and installs drivers for everything during the install.
Since my Shift initially had a working copy of (German) Vista running on it, I found a USB memory stick and installed True Image in Vista, writing a bootable copy to the Nano mentioned below, so that I could boot directly into True Image using the F10 key. I also attached a large USB hard disk to store (and restore) images. Guess you could also boot TrueImage from that, however I used a Nano 8gb USB flash drive (http://www.memorydepot.com/details.asp?id=NANOUSB-16G) for True Image as this can remain attached afterwards and the Shift still fits in its slip case. These Nano drives are available from many vendors with different names but seem to be all the same device.
I installed W7 from yet another USB stick, having first copied all the install files from the MS W7 with SP1 DVD. Creating this USB stick is well-documented elsewhere and very worthwhile as it is much faster than attaching a USB DVD drive. Mine was a clean install, not an upgrade from Vista. I could never make the upgrade route work!
Boot (F10) from the W7 installation stick and follow EXACTLY the process at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=513638. I downloaded and placed all drivers in individual folders preceded by the “a. b. etc.” to be sure of installing them in the correct order.
Once you have a working W7, SWITCH OFF AERO before going any further and certainly before installing any HTC stuff, by selecting a non-Aero screen background. Take an Acronis image at this point.
Be sure to follow the advice given in the post referred to above – install ONLY the downloaded HTC drivers, in the order given, run as administrator, with Vista compatibility mode. DON’T install any other updates or drivers yet.
I will not repeat the instructions in the post referred to above, but will just repeat, IF YOU FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS EXACTLY, it will work!
The parts.
I found both the memory and the SSD on eBay. Please don’t post questions like “Is this SDD XYZ suitable?” – I don’t know and won’t answer! This is what I bought and it works.
My 128gb SSD came from a vendor named “ventures_cn1”. The item description was “1.8" 128GB ZIF SSD*OQO 02/E2*DELL D420/D430 *SAMSUNG Q1”. At this date (October 2010) he’s still selling them at (ouch) $333.00. I believe small and bigger capacities are also available, correspondingly cheaper (and dearer)! The few questions I had were answered very quickly and shipping was both fast and reasonable.
My 2gb memory came from a vendor named “mem-store”. The description was “2GB DDR2 214pin Micro Dimm MicroDIMM Memory HTC SHIFT”. At this date (October 2010) he’s still selling them at (ouch again) $189.00 plus a hefty $25.99 for international UPS.
Both vendors were very responsive and I would not hesitate to buy again.
However…
CAUTION – I don’t know if the following is correct – try at your own risk! The memory module came in the usual sealed anti-static package, but with a large anti-static handling warning stuck over the original Kingston memory type label. I carefully peeled that off and that revealed a damaged Kingston type number label, which (I think) said “KTD-INSP6000B/2G”. A Google search reveals that this part number is a 200-pin SO-DIMM DDR2 667MHz module, apparently used in some Dell laptops, and available at a lot less than $189 plus $26!
Maybe some brave soul can try buying this and post the results here? TRY AT YOUR OWN RISK! I will not accept any responsibility if this does not work!
I used the guide also at XDA Developers to dismantle the Shift. This takes some care and if you are clumsy you might want someone else to tackle it. The case is eggshell thin and very easy to break, especially around the openings, particularly the air vents on the back. You need a tool to help pry apart the case – DON’T use anything metal. I used a soft pointed wooden stick stolen from the kitchen, used for Kebabs I think. Even then there were a few marks on the back of the case. Fortunately you don’t have to entirely dismantle the Shift as described in the guide, just the first few steps. In particular, be careful not to get finger grease on the adhesive tape used to secure the ZIF ribbon cable to the hard drive socket – you need to reuse that to ensure the (very fragile and hard to find) flat disk cable does not pull out of the ZIF socket a little leaving you with a “No disk” BIOS error. From memory the paper label on the SSD needs to be visible when the disk is installed, as it’s not clear which way around it should be. I tried both ways, managing to temporarily reinstall memory and battery so that I could see the new disk was recognised by the BIOS. I suggest you test in the same way, only re-attaching the tape once you are sure the disk is recognised.
Lastly, I use a Microsoft Wireless Notebook Presenter Mouse 9000 with the Shift. This comes with a Bluetooth dongle, but that’s not needed as the mouse works fine with the Shift’s own Bluetooth. It is also small and has a nice hard carry case
OK, I think that’s about all.
If you have questions relating to the above, please ask, but please try not to ask non-related questions or dumb questions about installing W7 or Shift in general.
Richard S.
Switzerland, October 2010.
Absolutely beautiful, RSargeant. Congratulations and thank you for sharing your experience back on the forum. Great!
What about the Windows Mobile side of the Shift, what are you using over there?
All the best!
Note: the second link that you provided leads to >HTC Shift > Shift General. Was it your intention to point only to the general surface or did you want to go deeper to a particular thread (as I expected) and the link is wrong?
Thanks for that Axel. Link corrected.
On the WM side, I'm using the original German 6.1 ROM (5.2.1620, build 18125.0.4.2) (1.30.407.0 GER) which I've "soft" liberated. I'm tempted to try a hacked ROM, but ask myself what useful (to me) functionality I'd gain. GPS is seductive on that big screen, but my Eten X800 + CoPilot is already very good and there's no memory for maps. I can already surf and check my emails on the WM side whilst benefitting from the very long battery life when not running W7, so the risks don't bring me personally much benefit. I'll think about it.
That brings me to a good point. During this 4 month struggle, I had to ignore my usual urges to immediately upodate drivers as soon as Windows update announced them, especially device drivers. The Shift always worked before the update, and often didn't work afterwards. Case in point - I downloaded and installed the latest touchpad drivers. Afterwards, the ShagCTRL and Resolution buttons no longer worked. System restore... Newer drivers are not always better! Acronis and system restore are your friends!
RS
Thanks, great guide!
Will include it on [REF] Guides | Tutorials | FAQs | Stickies | Read here before posting thread
Great post
Great that you shared this experience with us, I think I now have the macho to embark on my own mod journey now.
Excellent, informative post, very well written.
I may have to dig my Shift out of the cupboard and have a play...
sir,Jimmit here...plz tell me where u bought htc shift frm?....it tht available anywhere in uk?...i cant get in our country in india...plz help...thanks
I bought mine secondhand from a local (Swiss) auction site. Shifts often appear on ebay, but take care to get the correct model. There are 2, the 9500 which is GSM and the 9501 which is the US CDMA model.
Good luck,
RS
What if W7 drivers are newer than the ones described in the W7 thread
Boot (F10) from the W7 installation stick and follow EXACTLY the process at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=513638. I downloaded and placed all drivers in individual folders preceded by the “a. b. etc.” to be sure of installing them in the correct order.
Hi, I have tried many times to get W7 working on the Shift but I have never been able to get it working flawlessly. I decided to try one more time once I saw your post. Question for you. I am using a Windows 7 Professional license that has a newer Intel VGA driver(7[1].14.10.1461) than the one included in the link quoted by you. Should I install the old driver? Did you ran into something like this?
Cheers
Hi,
My Windows 7 DVD came from Technet, so although I didn't check the VGA version, I am sure it was the very latest and probably newer than the (b) driver mentioned. However I simply didn't encounter any problems when I installed a), b) c) etc as in the post. Installing the b) VGA driver almost certainly overwrote that newer driver. I did check both ShagCTRL and res switch at each stage and made checkpoints as I went, just to be sure.
What problems are you having exactly? W7 is so superior on Shift it's worth perservering. I've found that my usual habit of blindly updating to newest drivers is fatal with Shift. Rule is, when it's working, don't tinker and snapshot before all changes. Example, updating to latest touchpad controllers messed up both res switch and ShagCTRL. Only the originals from HTC restored order!
Richard
Hi Richard,
I send you a PM.
Cheers
Stephan
I read good review about Acer W500 and people installing Windows 8 on it. I just bought a used Iconia W500 with the attention to tryout W8. However the tablet package I got does not have any document or CD (restoration CD I assume) with it.
When power up, Win 7 show up, I tested a little bit and quite disappointed with the performance on both the Acer tablet and Windows 7 on it. It is far down away company to Dell Streak 5 and Samsung Galaxy S II.
Questions to the experts:
1. Should I upgrade the tablet (hardware perspective) so that it can run faster? Or just exchange with other brand name tablets, which has more power?
2. I still want to stick with Windows 7 or 8, because of the nature of my works. I need windows. What other android tablet which allow me to install windows 8 on it?
3. As for the Iconia W500 I have right now, please guide me how to back up Windows 7 first? What software do I need to make the back up the entire OS? I do have portable USB external drive about 500 GB. I also have USB portable DVD drive.
Thanks
Alpharetta
1. Should I upgrade the tablet (hardware perspective) so that it can run faster? Or just exchange with other brand name tablets, which has more power?
Upgrade
Hi, keep in mind that windows 7 and the windows 8 developer edition does not support ARM processors (windows 8 will, soon). The processor in the tablet you have now must be a x86 processor for it to be running windows 7.
Also, check the start menu for restoration media creator or something of the like. Machines nowadays do not come with restore media. But they do come with a program to create that restore media.
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I installed Win8 on my HP Mini 500 and there is a performance increase across the board.
Boot up is faster
Ribbon explorer makes it really easy for touch
Win8 has a dedicated keyboard for tablets
Less system resources used by junk processes
alpharetta said:
I read good review about Acer W500 and people installing Windows 8 on it. I just bought a used Iconia W500 with the attention to tryout W8. However the tablet package I got does not have any document or CD (restoration CD I assume) with it.
When power up, Win 7 show up, I tested a little bit and quite disappointed with the performance on both the Acer tablet and Windows 7 on it. It is far down away company to Dell Streak 5 and Samsung Galaxy S II.
Questions to the experts:
1. Should I upgrade the tablet (hardware perspective) so that it can run faster? Or just exchange with other brand name tablets, which has more power?
2. I still want to stick with Windows 7 or 8, because of the nature of my works. I need windows. What other android tablet which allow me to install windows 8 on it?
3. As for the Iconia W500 I have right now, please guide me how to back up Windows 7 first? What software do I need to make the back up the entire OS? I do have portable USB external drive about 500 GB. I also have USB portable DVD drive.
Thanks
Alpharetta
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I got a W500 for Christmas and a 64gb hard drive. I immediately swapped out hard drives before the first boot and put Windows 8 on it. I love this machine with Windows 8. I didn't load any of the Acer bloatware and only loaded what I had to have. It is speedy and very responsive. Windows 8 dp has a lot of room for improvement, but is better than Windows 7 for this machine. Everything works as it should and I don't see any reason to put Windows 7 on it.
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I got a W500 for Christmas and a 64gb hard drive. I immediately swapped out hard drives before the first boot and put Windows 8 on it. I love this machine with Windows 8. I didn't load any of the Acer bloatware and only loaded what I had to have. It is speedy and very responsive. Windows 8 dp has a lot of room for improvement, but is better than Windows 7 for this machine. Everything works as it should and I don't see any reason to put Windows 7 on it.
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Is socialite working?
sruthika said:
Is socialite working?
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I hadn't tried until I read your post. No, it is not.
I've just finished swapping to windows8 on my iconia w500
the first thing is It was not so easy.....I've made it from USB drive and swapped for 64bit one.
System is more responsive
Ease of use comparing to Win7 much better
I see that I need bigger HDD the 32 Giga one that it came with was already on 23.7 from 29.8 avaliable in just 3days of use!!! That was on win7
now on win8 and it is on 17.9 after updates.. so not to good not to bad.
i've already found mSATA 64gb for 83£ wich is the cheapest here in Uk
AFAIK thais the only update You can do to your Iconia W500
my opinion swap ssd and go for win8 you will like it more
Regards
I bought a refurbed W500 cheap the other day. I had W8 up and running within about an hour. I didn't bother backing it up first.
Since then, I've done lots of monkey and have learned a great deal.
W8 32 bit seems to be the best way to go. The drivers from Acers site work to get the g sensor and screen rotation stuff working. The only thing that doesn't work correctly is Firefox. You can't click on bookmarks from the touch screen.
W8 64 works but the drivers don't work. There's also no reason to have 64 bit windows running with so little ram.
BTW I installed from an external DVD. The USB method appears to work, but is seems to be more of a pain. I had to buy an external DVD drive and got a writer for $32.
I'm very impressed with the performance. W8 runs great. Almost was recognized by the OS and all I had to do was install drivers for the G Sensor etc.
The Metro stuff is silky smooth.
After an install and a fairly judicious disk cleanup, I have about 20 gb of space remaining. I disabled hibernation to get rid of the enormous hybernation file.
There are still little quirks in W8 but it's not even a beta. I have high hopes for newer builds.
This thing is the tablet I've wanted for a long time. For $368 and the cost of the external drive, I couldn't be happier.
FYI, I also have Ubuntu running on it now and still have 12 GB free.
Greg
FYI, to get the thing to boot to the dvd: Shut down, hold Windows Button and Volume Up and press Power. Took me a while to find that.
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I bought a refurbed W500 cheap the other day. I had W8 up and running within about an hour. I didn't bother backing it up first.
Since then, I've done lots of monkey and have learned a great deal.
W8 32 bit seems to be the best way to go. The drivers from Acers site work to get the g sensor and screen rotation stuff working. The only thing that doesn't work correctly is Firefox. You can't click on bookmarks from the touch screen.
W8 64 works but the drivers don't work. There's also no reason to have 64 bit windows running with so little ram.
BTW I installed from an external DVD. The USB method appears to work, but is seems to be more of a pain. I had to buy an external DVD drive and got a writer for $32.
I'm very impressed with the performance. W8 runs great. Almost was recognized by the OS and all I had to do was install drivers for the G Sensor etc.
The Metro stuff is silky smooth.
After an install and a fairly judicious disk cleanup, I have about 20 gb of space remaining. I disabled hibernation to get rid of the enormous hybernation file.
There are still little quirks in W8 but it's not even a beta. I have high hopes for newer builds.
This thing is the tablet I've wanted for a long time. For $368 and the cost of the external drive, I couldn't be happier.
FYI, I also have Ubuntu running on it now and still have 12 GB free.
Greg
FYI, to get the thing to boot to the dvd: Shut down, hold Windows Button and Volume Up and press Power. Took me a while to find that.
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Hey when you say the drivers for 64 bit do not work can you be more specific about what drivers? I installed 64 bit on my touch screen ASUS all in one desktop and it worked, but the touch screen drivers did not work. So it was a very poor experience for me...I mean the whole point is to be more touchscreen friendly....I have not found any solution yet to this issue for my computer and I Was surprised the drivers were not easily identified and working with such a new computer....let me know what you all think. Thanks!
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Hey when you say the drivers for 64 bit do not work can you be more specific about what drivers? I installed 64 bit on my touch screen ASUS all in one desktop and it worked, but the touch screen drivers did not work. So it was a very poor experience for me...I mean the whole point is to be more touchscreen friendly....I have not found any solution yet to this issue for my computer and I Was surprised the drivers were not easily identified and working with such a new computer....let me know what you all think. Thanks!
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In the case of the W500, the G-Sensor driver is where the problem lies. It only means that the screen won't auto rotate when you flip it around. I'm sure you don't do that with your all in one desktop so it's probably not an issue common to both models.
The touch screen on the W500 works perfectly out of the box. In fact, the only driver I had to install to make it work was the G-Sensor driver.
Interestingly, I found another issue. In 32 bit W8, Firefox doesn't work completely correctly. When you open a menu (ie bookmarks) you can't use the touch screen to select anything in the menu. Works fine if you use a mouse. However, in 64 bit W8, Firefox works perfectly. So you're left with a choice. Proper screen rotation or correctly working Firefox. I'm sure this will get resolved with either a Firefox update or perhaps the full beta of W8.
I have Iconia W500 for a month now.
If you would like to keep Win7 (for any reason), connect an ext hdd and create a windows image on it, you can restore it later any time.
I installed Win8 32 bit, you will have a completely different experience - Win7 is a S##t on W500.
Installing Win8 is pretty easy --> http://www.microsoftnow.com/2011/09/how-to-install-windows-8-on-acer-iconia-tab-w500.html
BTW: I faced some minor bugs in W8 but on the other hand, you have a decent windows tablet.
Go for Win8 and you will like it
Good luck.
alpharetta said:
I read good review about Acer W500 and people installing Windows 8 on it. I just bought a used Iconia W500 with the attention to tryout W8. However the tablet package I got does not have any document or CD (restoration CD I assume) with it.
When power up, Win 7 show up, I tested a little bit and quite disappointed with the performance on both the Acer tablet and Windows 7 on it. It is far down away company to Dell Streak 5 and Samsung Galaxy S II.
Questions to the experts:
1. Should I upgrade the tablet (hardware perspective) so that it can run faster? Or just exchange with other brand name tablets, which has more power?
2. I still want to stick with Windows 7 or 8, because of the nature of my works. I need windows. What other android tablet which allow me to install windows 8 on it?
3. As for the Iconia W500 I have right now, please guide me how to back up Windows 7 first? What software do I need to make the back up the entire OS? I do have portable USB external drive about 500 GB. I also have USB portable DVD drive.
Thanks
Alpharetta
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like yourself I also got an acer w500 tablet because I have been reading good reviews about this tablet with windows 8. I bought mine brand new because any tablet after dec 2011 was upgraded to the amd c60 processor, tbh I love it, it is the definition of mobile computing
So to answers your questions
1 only upgrade if you want to spend 1000+ for a tablet as good as the w500
2 stick with windows 8 once you get used to it, its much faster than windows 7 in terms of productivity. And no android tablet will allow the installation of windows.
3 Google will be your best bet for that, because I got mine new, I have all the recovery disks.
Got the W500 less than 2 weeks ago and first thing I did was install Win8RP on it.
Easy as pie. Just extract the Win8ISO directly onto a fresh USB drive and boot off that.
Once Win8 is installed, you will need to install the Gsensor driver from acers site, and the Device Control app to turn on Bluetooth for the first time. (Windows will install the generic BT drivers but they are sorta wonky)
You will want to get the latest ATI Beta drivers (I like them at least) from guru3d.com (The 9.0.0 JUNE base drivers, not to be confused with the 12.X version naming), also the official Realtek drivers from their site (not the Acer ones) and the Atheros Bluetooth drivers from http://www.atheros.cz/ (Just get the DRIVER FILES ONLY download for your OS (x86/64). No need for anything outside of that. To install the BT drivers, just extract the files to a folder, and go into device manager and update all the bluetooth devices it shows by point them to the folder that has the extracted drivers. Once you do that you should be able to turn on and off the Bluetooth from the Wireless tab in Windows 8 Settings and you can delete the device control app from the system.
The Bluetooth remains a bit wonky, My guess because it isnt an official Win8 driver, but it does work for the most part. It may say it cannot turn off the BT on occasion but do it twice and then wait a second, it usually will get the radio disabled on the 2nd try lol.
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Got the W500 less than 2 weeks ago and first thing I did was install Win8RP on it.
Easy as pie. Just extract the Win8ISO directly onto a fresh USB drive and boot off that.
Once Win8 is installed, you will need to install the Gsensor driver from acers site, and the Device Control app to turn on Bluetooth for the first time. (Windows will install the generic BT drivers but they are sorta wonky)
You will want to get the latest ATI Beta drivers (I like them at least) from guru3d.com (The 9.0.0 JUNE base drivers, not to be confused with the 12.X version naming), also the official Realtek drivers from their site (not the Acer ones) and the Atheros Bluetooth drivers from http://www.atheros.cz/ (Just get the DRIVER FILES ONLY download for your OS (x86/64). No need for anything outside of that. To install the BT drivers, just extract the files to a folder, and go into device manager and update all the bluetooth devices it shows by point them to the folder that has the extracted drivers. Once you do that you should be able to turn on and off the Bluetooth from the Wireless tab in Windows 8 Settings and you can delete the device control app from the system.
The Bluetooth remains a bit wonky, My guess because it isnt an official Win8 driver, but it does work for the most part. It may say it cannot turn off the BT on occasion but do it twice and then wait a second, it usually will get the radio disabled on the 2nd try lol.
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i just installed the acer drivers for this tablet from acer's website, no issues with Bluetooth, rotation, graphics, audio ect. i think you just downloaded the wrong Bluetooth driver, just get the one from acer along with the device control app, it makes everything a whole lot simpler and it works like a charm, no hangs, drops, ect.
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In the case of the W500, the G-Sensor driver is where the problem lies. It only means that the screen won't auto rotate when you flip it around. I'm sure you don't do that with your all in one desktop so it's probably not an issue common to both models.
The touch screen on the W500 works perfectly out of the box. In fact, the only driver I had to install to make it work was the G-Sensor driver.
Interestingly, I found another issue. In 32 bit W8, Firefox doesn't work completely correctly. When you open a menu (ie bookmarks) you can't use the touch screen to select anything in the menu. Works fine if you use a mouse. However, in 64 bit W8, Firefox works perfectly. So you're left with a choice. Proper screen rotation or correctly working Firefox. I'm sure this will get resolved with either a Firefox update or perhaps the full beta of W8.
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Hey dude. I had a W500 for some time, but sold it, but that's not my point.
Regarding the G-sensor fix, i figured out how to fix it.
What you need to install is:
G Sensor Driver
Auto Screen Rotation Blocker
HID Monitor for acer Ring
(From http://support.acer.com/product/default.aspx?modelId=3853)
If it doesn't rotate after this, try and find the HIDmonitor.exe file on your computer, then run it and try again.
I put the file in startup to make sure it always worked. And it did
Hey guys,
I want to buy one for desktop replace. Is it good for cheap price? How's performance for browsing? Sometimes I need to open few heavy websites.
arpu26 said:
Hey guys,
I want to buy one for desktop replace. Is it good for cheap price? How's performance for browsing? Sometimes I need to open few heavy websites.
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Depends what you use it for really..I haven't used my desktop since I bought this. Love it. Side note, my keyboard only pops up when I use the metro IE and touch a input box but not with the desktop IE. I have to press the keyboard icon on the taskbar for desktop browsing. Any one have any ideas why that'd be?
arpu26 said:
I need to open few heavy websites.
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the-wrangler said:
Depends what you use it for really..
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My work is testing websites. So I will plug with hdmi to my monitor. Can it handle with second monitor with extended desktop? What max resolution can it have? Also I need to have opened 3-4 heavy websites. Have it enougt power for that?
Now I'm working with very old and laggy Athlon XP 2500+ 1,8 Ghz 512 GB RAM PC.
What is program compatability on Win8?
Wimdows 8 on HP TouchSmart iq 522 multitouch not working
The company NEXTWINDOW that provide the drivers for this model doesnt ARE compatiblity with windows 8
i install the last drivers from there website and still only show 1 single point on touch
Resuming: windows 8 sucks with single touch
~
Anyone have any way to put MULTITOUCH working on HP IQ522 ??
Tnks to all
Wolfpts
the last drivers that work on windows 7 is this one :
http://www.nextwindow.com/nextwindow_support/windriver.html
I have the same problem, I am wondering if you found a solution for the multi-touch problem?
Regards,
Richard
wolfpt said:
Wimdows 8 on HP TouchSmart iq 522 multitouch not working
The company NEXTWINDOW that provide the drivers for this model doesnt ARE compatiblity with windows 8
i install the last drivers from there website and still only show 1 single point on touch
Resuming: windows 8 sucks with single touch
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Anyone have any way to put MULTITOUCH working on HP IQ522 ??
Tnks to all
Wolfpts
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I have a Lenovo x220t not sure if its similar to your machine or not.
I discovered the screen must support at least 2 point touch.
I had first tried a clean install of win 8 with the complete os installation cd. This wouldn't allow touch. I did a clean win 7 install, then went to Microsoft website and downloaded the $40 upgrade. Touch works fine for me now. Try the upgrade assistant and see what it says. I think if your touchscreen is a proper HID device the upgrade will allow it to work. I didn't install any drivers at all during the upgrading process, win 8 takes care of that on its own.
Maybe that might help.
Hello everyone!!
This argument has been discussed a couple times in this forum, but i wanted to address it once more since i believe it's one of the most interesting.
So, i am looking to install natively Windows 10 (desktop version, not mobile) and Android in dualboot on the ZF2.
In theory, as specified many times by other users, is possible. Since the soc of the ZF2 is Intel x86/64.
Let's proceed with order.
1) The main issue, is to find out how to run the windows installer, completely outside the Android environment. Now i know Asus released an official Bootloader for the ZF2, but we have to figure out if it's loaded outside of the Android environment or not. If it is, that would be a great kickstart.
2) The drivers then would be another issue, even though, the Z3580 is an Atom and should share a lot of with its bigger brothers for tablets that already run Windows 10.
3) FIgure out how to dualboot it. Windows 10 Desktop version is not currently equipped with dialing functions and even though there are some third party software, it would not be very comfortable to use as main OS on such a small screen. So Android is a must here.
4) Last but not least, figure out a way (not wirelessly, just because it does not work very well) to cast the screen of the Windows 10 Asus ZEnfone2, to a larger monitor.
I own a Lumia 950 and as many of you know, it comes with the Continuum feature. It is a pretty interesting function even though in the current state is very limited. (can run only UWPs and nothing more, with limited functionalities).
For those of you guys wondering if it's even possible to solve the problem n.1 i can tell you it definitely is. A couple years ago, Elephone was working on a Dual Boot Phone, called vowney Pro with the exact same soc of the ZF2, capable of running both Windows 10 (desktop, even though some blogs mistakenly reported windows 10 mobile. It was the desktop version, i spoke with the company) and Android.
That project never came to life, the company would not share with me the reason why.
Just think about how cool would be to have a 2 in 1 device capable of running full Windows 10 natively. It would really be the first of its kind and turn out to be super useful in a lot of situations.
Any of you ever tried ?
Thanks in advance to all of you guys!!
No one ?
steinwayer said:
Hello everyone!!
This argument has been discussed a couple times in this forum, but i wanted to address it once more since i believe it's one of the most interesting.
So, i am looking to install natively Windows 10 (desktop version, not mobile) and Android in dualboot on the ZF2.
In theory, as specified many times by other users, is possible. Since the soc of the ZF2 is Intel x86/64.
Let's proceed with order.
1) The main issue, is to find out how to run the windows installer, completely outside the Android environment. Now i know Asus released an official Bootloader for the ZF2, but we have to figure out if it's loaded outside of the Android environment or not. If it is, that would be a great kickstart.
2) The drivers then would be another issue, even though, the Z3580 is an Atom and should share a lot of with its bigger brothers for tablets that already run Windows 10.
3) FIgure out how to dualboot it. Windows 10 Desktop version is not currently equipped with dialing functions and even though there are some third party software, it would not be very comfortable to use as main OS on such a small screen. So Android is a must here.
4) Last but not least, figure out a way (not wirelessly, just because it does not work very well) to cast the screen of the Windows 10 Asus ZEnfone2, to a larger monitor.
I own a Lumia 950 and as many of you know, it comes with the Continuum feature. It is a pretty interesting function even though in the current state is very limited. (can run only UWPs and nothing more, with limited functionalities).
For those of you guys wondering if it's even possible to solve the problem n.1 i can tell you it definitely is. A couple years ago, Elephone was working on a Dual Boot Phone, called vowney Pro with the exact same soc of the ZF2, capable of running both Windows 10 (desktop, even though some blogs mistakenly reported windows 10 mobile. It was the desktop version, i spoke with the company) and Android.
That project never came to life, the company would not share with me the reason why.
Just think about how cool would be to have a 2 in 1 device capable of running full Windows 10 natively. It would really be the first of its kind and turn out to be super useful in a lot of situations.
Any of you ever tried ?
Thanks in advance to all of you guys!!
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please follow this topic
https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/general/zf2-running-windows-7-using-kvm-t3153299
sukhwant717 said:
please follow this topic
https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/general/zf2-running-windows-7-using-kvm-t3153299
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Hello Sukhwant717
Yes i know of the post and read through all of it, even though there are a couple of persons that asked for the native installation, that post is focused mainly on the installation through KVM, or any other Virtual Machine solution.
Just wanted to have a post focused on the native installation here
@steinwayer
This has been done and deemed not worth the time and effort.
1. No drivers for Mali.
3. Win OS has no phone support until late 2017.
If you have the technical skills please do try yourself, but don't expect others to do the work.
I recommend waiting until fall 2017 when x86 emulation on Snapdragon launches. A plethora of new handsets with desktop Win OS and phone support will be launched. And this project will be redundant.
@sweetsour
I didn't know that people tried here. I tried searching in the whole forum but sadly i didn't find anything.
Yes i know that Windows on Arm will launch sometime this year, but i don't think this will be redundant. Windows on Arm will let you have a windows handset capable of running x86 apps. No Android.
This on the other hand would let you enjoy both worlds, and on top of that, is the ability to dual boot two different operating systems on a smartphone that intrigues me (not linux based ofc)
I don't expect the others to do it for me, i am stuck sadly on the first issue with having a bootloader capable of booting an OTG image of Windows.
But if anyone found a way to do that and got stuck on the next step, i would be more than happy to try myself
Do you happen to have any threads to address me to?
Thanks in advance
@steinwayer Windows on ARM will never ever be the same as on X86. Apps are just not compatible. It is a shame that the surface phone ditched the Intel Atom CPU.
Anyway ontopic.
I will skip 1 till the last since this is the main issue and start off with 2
2 The drivers are not an issue YET. The intel HD series GPU's have used the specific model of powerVR GPU that is in use so it is a problem that can be fixed. Most of the rest of the drivers are not directly a problem as the first problem is to get windows running natively.
3 Dualboot. In first place this is not neccisary, however this is possible but will require the work from 1 listed bellow first. Let me say from the start that you can forget hotswitching to android... That will be a full reboot and I dont know about your zenfone 2 but mine takes a while to boot...
4 As long as the wifi is running lots of options there...
Now the culprit 1
You can not run the windows installer in the current bootloader, however happy news for you this specific CPU supports UEFI. For this purpose I was reverse engineering the bootloader on my pc and altering the UEFI of that of a tabled with a similair CPU of the same series. However my screen got broken, so I lost motivation, had it repaired after which half my phone died again (there is another topic floating around where I tried to flash the ori bootloaders as I thought that may had something to do with the issues of my phone dieing) so I bought a lumia 950 aswell, and now I just have it back again.
This project is stalled. One of the reasons is stated here, the other one is that I don't have the knowledge to continue right now. Reading in and learning takes a lot of time and I don't have time at the moment and as said before I am for the moment not very happy with the amount of times the zenfone just without damage just died on me...
I am happy to share all I have found on the internet to someone who knows how to do it, but if you need to learn in as I do this will take years...
Thinking about you MIGHT have a shot just flashing one of the tablets UEFI bioses, but this very well may be a one shot chance after which a perma brick can occur...
@Don_prince
I was talking about the recent Windows on ARM, not Windows 10 Mobile. For instance, this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GlGglbu1U
Even though there is no single definitive proof that they ditched Intel for the Surface Phone project, the video I shared seems to be a pretty clear statement eheh, and yes, i totally agree with you, it will be a shame.
Thank you so much for the infos you gave me! That's super helpful! I suspected the stock bootloader would have not been capable of doing that, so i was looking (like i guess you did long before me) for answers about the chances of flashing UEFI on it.
Dualboot, at least for the beginning would be necessary, if used as the primary phone, Android would be needed for all phone-related tasks.
I will try to see if i manage to flash UEFI on the ZF2. After that it should be a a lot simpler! And it would open a WHOLE NEW WORLD of possibilities with that phone
About the hotswitching, i know, it will be impossible. But the way i see it, the wait time for a full reboot would be worth it, especially in case after solving all the problems, we could manage also to solve the point 4
Will keep you posted!!
I don't seee why an x86 emulator for ARM Windows 10 seems so threatening.
Nobody ever said the x86 emulator is coming to phones. It's just Windows RT 10 with 3rd party Win32 app support. It's for larger devices like tablets and laptops.
From what I've seen, I think the Zenfone 2 (and 5) will be relevant for many years to come. Nobody is offering something that runs full Windows 10 on the phone's screen like the Zenfones with KVM. There is also no performance hit like an emulator.
If anything, MS MIGHT integrate it into W10M's Continuim but I doubt they will let you run Photoshop on the phone's screen.
There have been multiple devices in the past, and there are devices for sale now and there are devices that are in developent. Criteria below 6", pocketable and full X86.
XPphone, Eking m5 (also MI15), DOCOMO Fujitsu LOOX F-07c,
Non phone capable (or only via usb) Ockel Sirius, GPD WIN
In development: Graalphone, Palmputer
So yes there are devices...
No an emulator wont do the trick for me, No a KVM does not do the trick for me. I need DIRECT acess to the GPU for proprietary programs which I want to use the phone for.
Don_prince said:
There have been multiple devices in the past, and there are devices for sale now and there are devices that are in developent. Criteria below 6", pocketable and full X86.
XPphone, Eking m5 (also MI15), DOCOMO Fujitsu LOOX F-07c,
Non phone capable (or only via usb) Ockel Sirius, GPD WIN
In development: Graalphone, Palmputer
So yes there are devices...
No an emulator wont do the trick for me, No a KVM does not do the trick for me. I need DIRECT acess to the GPU for proprietary programs which I want to use the phone for.
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Well i always thinking the EASIEST way to enable 3D acceleration with acceptable performance.The only software that could enable 3D acceleration and runs windows software on android is Crossover from codeweavers.It's wine commercial version which compatibility layer that enables you to run windows software on linux.Maybe you're very familiar it if you playing around with linux for some time.The only problem is the compatibility.its still in alpha stage and still doesn't run much software perfectly.Considering it's opensource,it has the source code available on their site.If we have developers that expert at modifying .apk and port the qemu kvm,we'll be able to solve that.We have qemu on android name limbo pc emulator and it always up to date recently which now based on qemu 2.9.0.The only matter is how we modified the apk to sync with limbo pc emulator so that it has 3D virtual gpu available.How the virtual gpu works,is translate OPENGLES into directX,though its limited to 9.0.Maybe little tweak can make it work on limbo.Hope the source code containts that Vgpu code.I am noob for porting apks,etc.But i know some basic about it.Hope you guys can make it works.Once we make it work,we'll be able to launch CStrike 1.6 on our amazing ZF2
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Crossover has it's virtual GPU into it,which makes 3D acceleration working.it's use OpenGLES and translate it to directX.if we can implemented it on limbo pc emulator,we'll be able to enable hardware acceleration into windows guest
Man I'm with you
Its unbelievable enough, that you can't install Linux on ARM.
Cant install on a x86 cpu device, it seems impossible !!!
2019... nothing yet ?
xdaxuser said:
Man I'm with you
Its unbelievable enough, that you can't install Linux on ARM.
Cant install on a x86 cpu device, it seems impossible !!!
2019... nothing yet ?
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Researching, +1
Well, its pretty much a one go try, no guaranties it works, and well who wants to donate his Zenfone 2 to try, when the odds of sucsess are less than 10%, chance of bricking it without recovery 90%. Get the bios from the Chuwi tablet and give it a try to flash it with the intel flash tool.
I was modifying that bios to increase the chances, but ran out of my expertise, lack time, and am using my zenfone as daily driver
I have a Zenfone 2 with the eMMC damaged, and thought about booting Android from the SD card (basically, using it like the eMMC which is damaged). I think replacing the BIOS could help me with booting from the SD, is this correct?
i've installed Windows 10 and Android 9 x86 with Limbo PC Emulator
O only have a Question :
The Intel atom z3530 CPU in my Z00AD is an ARM CPU?
Tnankx in avance for ur help!
Nope, it's x86_64
tronics182 said:
O only have a Question :
The Intel atom z3530 CPU in my Z00AD is an ARM CPU?
Tnankx in avance for ur help!
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No, it's an x86_64 (64-bit) SoC. Any Intel Atom processor is x86 or x86_64
No development anymore?
I got this tablet from colleague and he doesn't know almost anything about it. It came with Windows 8.1 but I clean installed Windows 10 on it and after that it does not work anymore.
Some information I have about it:
SCREEN
- 8 inch
- 1280x800
- IPS
CPU
- Intel Atom Z3745, 1.33GHz
RAM
- 2GB LDDR3
ROM
- 32GB + optional microSD card
- aluminium back side, no HDMI output
LINK to pictures:
https://imgur.com/a/3tIYY
Speccy:
http://speccy.piriform.com/results/kcvPqOiOjL57kTVSdiNbJWo
Video of the issue:
https://vid.me/95wU
For touchscreen to work properly I need to provide adequate SileadTouch.fw file that would correspodent to digitizer that is installed in this tablet. Everything else is working (sound, cameras, GPS, battery management, GPU drivers etc.)
In fact, I only need proper SileadTouch.fw file (~100kb), nothing else.
Thank you in advance!