I read good review about Acer W500 and people installing Windows 8 on it. I just bought a used Iconia W500 with the attention to tryout W8. However the tablet package I got does not have any document or CD (restoration CD I assume) with it.
When power up, Win 7 show up, I tested a little bit and quite disappointed with the performance on both the Acer tablet and Windows 7 on it. It is far down away company to Dell Streak 5 and Samsung Galaxy S II.
Questions to the experts:
1. Should I upgrade the tablet (hardware perspective) so that it can run faster? Or just exchange with other brand name tablets, which has more power?
2. I still want to stick with Windows 7 or 8, because of the nature of my works. I need windows. What other android tablet which allow me to install windows 8 on it?
3. As for the Iconia W500 I have right now, please guide me how to back up Windows 7 first? What software do I need to make the back up the entire OS? I do have portable USB external drive about 500 GB. I also have USB portable DVD drive.
Thanks
Alpharetta
1. Should I upgrade the tablet (hardware perspective) so that it can run faster? Or just exchange with other brand name tablets, which has more power?
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Hi, keep in mind that windows 7 and the windows 8 developer edition does not support ARM processors (windows 8 will, soon). The processor in the tablet you have now must be a x86 processor for it to be running windows 7.
Also, check the start menu for restoration media creator or something of the like. Machines nowadays do not come with restore media. But they do come with a program to create that restore media.
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I installed Win8 on my HP Mini 500 and there is a performance increase across the board.
Boot up is faster
Ribbon explorer makes it really easy for touch
Win8 has a dedicated keyboard for tablets
Less system resources used by junk processes
alpharetta said:
I read good review about Acer W500 and people installing Windows 8 on it. I just bought a used Iconia W500 with the attention to tryout W8. However the tablet package I got does not have any document or CD (restoration CD I assume) with it.
When power up, Win 7 show up, I tested a little bit and quite disappointed with the performance on both the Acer tablet and Windows 7 on it. It is far down away company to Dell Streak 5 and Samsung Galaxy S II.
Questions to the experts:
1. Should I upgrade the tablet (hardware perspective) so that it can run faster? Or just exchange with other brand name tablets, which has more power?
2. I still want to stick with Windows 7 or 8, because of the nature of my works. I need windows. What other android tablet which allow me to install windows 8 on it?
3. As for the Iconia W500 I have right now, please guide me how to back up Windows 7 first? What software do I need to make the back up the entire OS? I do have portable USB external drive about 500 GB. I also have USB portable DVD drive.
Thanks
Alpharetta
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I got a W500 for Christmas and a 64gb hard drive. I immediately swapped out hard drives before the first boot and put Windows 8 on it. I love this machine with Windows 8. I didn't load any of the Acer bloatware and only loaded what I had to have. It is speedy and very responsive. Windows 8 dp has a lot of room for improvement, but is better than Windows 7 for this machine. Everything works as it should and I don't see any reason to put Windows 7 on it.
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I got a W500 for Christmas and a 64gb hard drive. I immediately swapped out hard drives before the first boot and put Windows 8 on it. I love this machine with Windows 8. I didn't load any of the Acer bloatware and only loaded what I had to have. It is speedy and very responsive. Windows 8 dp has a lot of room for improvement, but is better than Windows 7 for this machine. Everything works as it should and I don't see any reason to put Windows 7 on it.
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Is socialite working?
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Is socialite working?
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I hadn't tried until I read your post. No, it is not.
I've just finished swapping to windows8 on my iconia w500
the first thing is It was not so easy.....I've made it from USB drive and swapped for 64bit one.
System is more responsive
Ease of use comparing to Win7 much better
I see that I need bigger HDD the 32 Giga one that it came with was already on 23.7 from 29.8 avaliable in just 3days of use!!! That was on win7
now on win8 and it is on 17.9 after updates.. so not to good not to bad.
i've already found mSATA 64gb for 83£ wich is the cheapest here in Uk
AFAIK thais the only update You can do to your Iconia W500
my opinion swap ssd and go for win8 you will like it more
Regards
I bought a refurbed W500 cheap the other day. I had W8 up and running within about an hour. I didn't bother backing it up first.
Since then, I've done lots of monkey and have learned a great deal.
W8 32 bit seems to be the best way to go. The drivers from Acers site work to get the g sensor and screen rotation stuff working. The only thing that doesn't work correctly is Firefox. You can't click on bookmarks from the touch screen.
W8 64 works but the drivers don't work. There's also no reason to have 64 bit windows running with so little ram.
BTW I installed from an external DVD. The USB method appears to work, but is seems to be more of a pain. I had to buy an external DVD drive and got a writer for $32.
I'm very impressed with the performance. W8 runs great. Almost was recognized by the OS and all I had to do was install drivers for the G Sensor etc.
The Metro stuff is silky smooth.
After an install and a fairly judicious disk cleanup, I have about 20 gb of space remaining. I disabled hibernation to get rid of the enormous hybernation file.
There are still little quirks in W8 but it's not even a beta. I have high hopes for newer builds.
This thing is the tablet I've wanted for a long time. For $368 and the cost of the external drive, I couldn't be happier.
FYI, I also have Ubuntu running on it now and still have 12 GB free.
Greg
FYI, to get the thing to boot to the dvd: Shut down, hold Windows Button and Volume Up and press Power. Took me a while to find that.
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I bought a refurbed W500 cheap the other day. I had W8 up and running within about an hour. I didn't bother backing it up first.
Since then, I've done lots of monkey and have learned a great deal.
W8 32 bit seems to be the best way to go. The drivers from Acers site work to get the g sensor and screen rotation stuff working. The only thing that doesn't work correctly is Firefox. You can't click on bookmarks from the touch screen.
W8 64 works but the drivers don't work. There's also no reason to have 64 bit windows running with so little ram.
BTW I installed from an external DVD. The USB method appears to work, but is seems to be more of a pain. I had to buy an external DVD drive and got a writer for $32.
I'm very impressed with the performance. W8 runs great. Almost was recognized by the OS and all I had to do was install drivers for the G Sensor etc.
The Metro stuff is silky smooth.
After an install and a fairly judicious disk cleanup, I have about 20 gb of space remaining. I disabled hibernation to get rid of the enormous hybernation file.
There are still little quirks in W8 but it's not even a beta. I have high hopes for newer builds.
This thing is the tablet I've wanted for a long time. For $368 and the cost of the external drive, I couldn't be happier.
FYI, I also have Ubuntu running on it now and still have 12 GB free.
Greg
FYI, to get the thing to boot to the dvd: Shut down, hold Windows Button and Volume Up and press Power. Took me a while to find that.
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Hey when you say the drivers for 64 bit do not work can you be more specific about what drivers? I installed 64 bit on my touch screen ASUS all in one desktop and it worked, but the touch screen drivers did not work. So it was a very poor experience for me...I mean the whole point is to be more touchscreen friendly....I have not found any solution yet to this issue for my computer and I Was surprised the drivers were not easily identified and working with such a new computer....let me know what you all think. Thanks!
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Hey when you say the drivers for 64 bit do not work can you be more specific about what drivers? I installed 64 bit on my touch screen ASUS all in one desktop and it worked, but the touch screen drivers did not work. So it was a very poor experience for me...I mean the whole point is to be more touchscreen friendly....I have not found any solution yet to this issue for my computer and I Was surprised the drivers were not easily identified and working with such a new computer....let me know what you all think. Thanks!
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In the case of the W500, the G-Sensor driver is where the problem lies. It only means that the screen won't auto rotate when you flip it around. I'm sure you don't do that with your all in one desktop so it's probably not an issue common to both models.
The touch screen on the W500 works perfectly out of the box. In fact, the only driver I had to install to make it work was the G-Sensor driver.
Interestingly, I found another issue. In 32 bit W8, Firefox doesn't work completely correctly. When you open a menu (ie bookmarks) you can't use the touch screen to select anything in the menu. Works fine if you use a mouse. However, in 64 bit W8, Firefox works perfectly. So you're left with a choice. Proper screen rotation or correctly working Firefox. I'm sure this will get resolved with either a Firefox update or perhaps the full beta of W8.
I have Iconia W500 for a month now.
If you would like to keep Win7 (for any reason), connect an ext hdd and create a windows image on it, you can restore it later any time.
I installed Win8 32 bit, you will have a completely different experience - Win7 is a S##t on W500.
Installing Win8 is pretty easy --> http://www.microsoftnow.com/2011/09/how-to-install-windows-8-on-acer-iconia-tab-w500.html
BTW: I faced some minor bugs in W8 but on the other hand, you have a decent windows tablet.
Go for Win8 and you will like it
Good luck.
alpharetta said:
I read good review about Acer W500 and people installing Windows 8 on it. I just bought a used Iconia W500 with the attention to tryout W8. However the tablet package I got does not have any document or CD (restoration CD I assume) with it.
When power up, Win 7 show up, I tested a little bit and quite disappointed with the performance on both the Acer tablet and Windows 7 on it. It is far down away company to Dell Streak 5 and Samsung Galaxy S II.
Questions to the experts:
1. Should I upgrade the tablet (hardware perspective) so that it can run faster? Or just exchange with other brand name tablets, which has more power?
2. I still want to stick with Windows 7 or 8, because of the nature of my works. I need windows. What other android tablet which allow me to install windows 8 on it?
3. As for the Iconia W500 I have right now, please guide me how to back up Windows 7 first? What software do I need to make the back up the entire OS? I do have portable USB external drive about 500 GB. I also have USB portable DVD drive.
Thanks
Alpharetta
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like yourself I also got an acer w500 tablet because I have been reading good reviews about this tablet with windows 8. I bought mine brand new because any tablet after dec 2011 was upgraded to the amd c60 processor, tbh I love it, it is the definition of mobile computing
So to answers your questions
1 only upgrade if you want to spend 1000+ for a tablet as good as the w500
2 stick with windows 8 once you get used to it, its much faster than windows 7 in terms of productivity. And no android tablet will allow the installation of windows.
3 Google will be your best bet for that, because I got mine new, I have all the recovery disks.
Got the W500 less than 2 weeks ago and first thing I did was install Win8RP on it.
Easy as pie. Just extract the Win8ISO directly onto a fresh USB drive and boot off that.
Once Win8 is installed, you will need to install the Gsensor driver from acers site, and the Device Control app to turn on Bluetooth for the first time. (Windows will install the generic BT drivers but they are sorta wonky)
You will want to get the latest ATI Beta drivers (I like them at least) from guru3d.com (The 9.0.0 JUNE base drivers, not to be confused with the 12.X version naming), also the official Realtek drivers from their site (not the Acer ones) and the Atheros Bluetooth drivers from http://www.atheros.cz/ (Just get the DRIVER FILES ONLY download for your OS (x86/64). No need for anything outside of that. To install the BT drivers, just extract the files to a folder, and go into device manager and update all the bluetooth devices it shows by point them to the folder that has the extracted drivers. Once you do that you should be able to turn on and off the Bluetooth from the Wireless tab in Windows 8 Settings and you can delete the device control app from the system.
The Bluetooth remains a bit wonky, My guess because it isnt an official Win8 driver, but it does work for the most part. It may say it cannot turn off the BT on occasion but do it twice and then wait a second, it usually will get the radio disabled on the 2nd try lol.
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Got the W500 less than 2 weeks ago and first thing I did was install Win8RP on it.
Easy as pie. Just extract the Win8ISO directly onto a fresh USB drive and boot off that.
Once Win8 is installed, you will need to install the Gsensor driver from acers site, and the Device Control app to turn on Bluetooth for the first time. (Windows will install the generic BT drivers but they are sorta wonky)
You will want to get the latest ATI Beta drivers (I like them at least) from guru3d.com (The 9.0.0 JUNE base drivers, not to be confused with the 12.X version naming), also the official Realtek drivers from their site (not the Acer ones) and the Atheros Bluetooth drivers from http://www.atheros.cz/ (Just get the DRIVER FILES ONLY download for your OS (x86/64). No need for anything outside of that. To install the BT drivers, just extract the files to a folder, and go into device manager and update all the bluetooth devices it shows by point them to the folder that has the extracted drivers. Once you do that you should be able to turn on and off the Bluetooth from the Wireless tab in Windows 8 Settings and you can delete the device control app from the system.
The Bluetooth remains a bit wonky, My guess because it isnt an official Win8 driver, but it does work for the most part. It may say it cannot turn off the BT on occasion but do it twice and then wait a second, it usually will get the radio disabled on the 2nd try lol.
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i just installed the acer drivers for this tablet from acer's website, no issues with Bluetooth, rotation, graphics, audio ect. i think you just downloaded the wrong Bluetooth driver, just get the one from acer along with the device control app, it makes everything a whole lot simpler and it works like a charm, no hangs, drops, ect.
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In the case of the W500, the G-Sensor driver is where the problem lies. It only means that the screen won't auto rotate when you flip it around. I'm sure you don't do that with your all in one desktop so it's probably not an issue common to both models.
The touch screen on the W500 works perfectly out of the box. In fact, the only driver I had to install to make it work was the G-Sensor driver.
Interestingly, I found another issue. In 32 bit W8, Firefox doesn't work completely correctly. When you open a menu (ie bookmarks) you can't use the touch screen to select anything in the menu. Works fine if you use a mouse. However, in 64 bit W8, Firefox works perfectly. So you're left with a choice. Proper screen rotation or correctly working Firefox. I'm sure this will get resolved with either a Firefox update or perhaps the full beta of W8.
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Hey dude. I had a W500 for some time, but sold it, but that's not my point.
Regarding the G-sensor fix, i figured out how to fix it.
What you need to install is:
G Sensor Driver
Auto Screen Rotation Blocker
HID Monitor for acer Ring
(From http://support.acer.com/product/default.aspx?modelId=3853)
If it doesn't rotate after this, try and find the HIDmonitor.exe file on your computer, then run it and try again.
I put the file in startup to make sure it always worked. And it did
Hey guys,
I want to buy one for desktop replace. Is it good for cheap price? How's performance for browsing? Sometimes I need to open few heavy websites.
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Hey guys,
I want to buy one for desktop replace. Is it good for cheap price? How's performance for browsing? Sometimes I need to open few heavy websites.
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Depends what you use it for really..I haven't used my desktop since I bought this. Love it. Side note, my keyboard only pops up when I use the metro IE and touch a input box but not with the desktop IE. I have to press the keyboard icon on the taskbar for desktop browsing. Any one have any ideas why that'd be?
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I need to open few heavy websites.
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Depends what you use it for really..
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My work is testing websites. So I will plug with hdmi to my monitor. Can it handle with second monitor with extended desktop? What max resolution can it have? Also I need to have opened 3-4 heavy websites. Have it enougt power for that?
Now I'm working with very old and laggy Athlon XP 2500+ 1,8 Ghz 512 GB RAM PC.
What is program compatability on Win8?
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After several failed attempts of cloning VISTA from the HTC Shift's to the my Samsung 64GB Solid State Drive using Norton Ghost (the cloned drive always blue screens at boot), I've decided to do a clean VISTA install from scratch to the SSD Drive.
With only one USB Port on the Shift, I didn't have enough ports for the Bootable USB Pen w/ Ghost on it + Drive 1 + Drive 2, so I had to stick both 1.8" ZIF drivers in USB adapter enclosures and then clone from one to the other from a desktop computer with multiple USBs (using a hub on the Shift to use the 3 devices at the same time from its single USB connector didn't work either because the drives are not detected at BIOS)
To do a clean install, are the updated VISTA drivers for the Shift posted on HTC's Support Site, all the drivers I will need? I don't seem to see certain things like the SIM Modem for example. Also how do I install the Windows Mobile Application to communicate with SnapVue, etc? I have the feeling I will be missing a ton of drivers and software by the time I have the Shift with a Retail Version of Vista, not the original system restore one with all the drivers (and clutter).
Once I get the system up and running (and tweaked), I'll post some benchmarks here and a video showing boot-up and app launch times with the Samsung SSD (currently the fastest 1.8" ZIF Drive on the market). I want to custom make VISTA as streamlined as possible with the least amount of garbage to gain maximum performance on the Shift and with the lowest possible mem usage On my dsktop my clean install is less than 1.5GB!
If you'd like a detailed post of the disassembly, drive swap and re-assembly as well as final description of all the tweaks performed, services disabled, etc., I can post them here in detail as well.
Thanks for the input of the software and drivers I will need before I start the work
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To do a clean install, are the updated VISTA drivers for the Shift posted on HTC's Support Site, all the drivers I will need?
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Yes, they are all you need. Windows Mobile Device Centre is included with Vista, and that deals with the connection to Snapvue. The sim card is managed by Snapvue, so wiping Vista will not affect it.
Thanks for the reply Pantaloonie
Im hoping that a Vista clean install will be a fraction of the work and time I've spent trying to install XP and Ubuntu Mobile. Both of them got "almost" to fully work but some functionality was always lost no matter my tries. Since I am "slimming" down Vista to its bare minimum, I wonder if there are components I have taken out on my desktop's clean install, that I may actually need for the Shift (Windows Mobile Device Centre being one of them that immediately comes to mind)! Is it required to upgrade to Windows Mobile Device Center 6.1 on the version built-in within Vista is enough? I usually stay away as much as possible of ANY upgrades what-so-ever
By the way, what are the VistaECDrv and Extension Kit USBLan Drivers for?
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By the way, what are the VistaECDrv and Extension Kit USBLan Drivers for?
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Hi,
VistaECDDrv seems to be the Embedded Controller Driver. It is the part that manages communication between the build-in stuff such as USB and SD. It also might be the part that prohibits us from using the SD-card from the Snapvue side.
The other one seems to be the driver for the LAN adaptor... I am not sure what the "Extension Kit" signifies.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
(I actually don't really know what I am talking about )
greetz,
Pfeffa-rah
Are the drivers needed for the Shift's video camera built-in Vista? I cannot find any available drivers to download from HTC's support site
Yes, it works quite happily with the generic USB Camera drivers in Vista.
can you do a benchmark of your SSD from Samsung? ans post the picture?
http://www.hdtune.com/
I think about a Mtron 3018 32GB or 64GB SDD (April 2009) with 100/100MB/s
I Thnik there is no other faster 1,8" PATA SSD on market?
Hi!
Is there any news on the speed on your Shift when changing to the Samsung SSD?
I don´t know, but i´m shure, with Mtron 3018 SSD it is much faster then with SAmsung SSD.
BTW: in the mid of april Mtron release the 64GB Edition with 100/100 Read/write (maybe 300€)
Hi, I'm trying to install Windows 8 64 bits Consumer Preview by DVD driver in my PC, but, it's very, VERY slow to install. I wait 1 hour to select the language. Why is happening this? For install my Windows 7 32 bits Ultimate was the same. Is my HD or DVD Driver? (I burn 2x in the DVD by Power ISO)
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Hi, I'm trying to install Windows 8 64 bits Consumer Preview by DVD driver in my PC, but, it's very, VERY slow to install. I wait 1 hour to select the language. Why is happening this? For install my Windows 7 32 bits Ultimate was the same. Is my HD or DVD Driver? (I burn 2x in the DVD by Power ISO)
Thanks.
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That software you mentioned should have died out years ago , but didn't. They propped up sales by seeding torrents that blahblahblah.... rant off.
Anyway, try a md5sum on the images and dvds.
I installed on a vm in less than 15minutes, and even with the annoying reboots it was fairly quick.
Check you bios for odd settings.
Are your floppy disk controller enabled in the bios? Since Windows Vista some Mainboards have problems with setup if the floppy controller is enabled! deactivate it and setup should run at normal speed!
Windows 8 is a big file on its own, if you're trying to install the 64 buy version its even bigger. Be patient or try the 32 bit version
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It could also be that your drivers are out of date or that your computer has a slow disc speed
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given that you said you had issues on another OS then its likely to be a hardware issue.
first suggestion is to make sure your using 32 bit DMA access in your BIOS, its quite easy to set that to UDMA 0 or even PIO mode by mistake, its also possible the drive or disks your burning from / to might not be as accurate as they should be, its also worth checking your download isn't corrupted, I had that issue on the DP but that failed to install rather than just being slow.
If your using older drives using parallel cables, make sure they are on different channels, ie not connected to the same cable (master slave)
you could try setting up a USB drive install, that would rule out the media drive altogether and limit it to your moby or HDD
Thanks guys, I will format my HD and try again in some days o/
how is your raid set up? Make sure you have ahci , I loaded 64 bit last night , took less than 10 minutes and I had a corrupted drive to begin with (that took me an extra 10 minutes by itself) but install of the OS was the fastest Ive ever had on a windows machine !
Slow DVD install
It sounds like you have a low transfer speed or a low read speed on the DVD drive. Because it took me just over an hour to install Windows 8 CP on HP ZD7249CL. it took about 15 minutes to install on my Home Built desktop (AMD Phenom X4 840 3.2Ghz, 8 GB of ram, SATA III, AMD HD5770). See if you can upgrade to a sata drive if possible.
My older DVD drive is SATA, the new one(from my old PC) is IDE, and the both took the same time.
I will try to make some changes in the BIOS and reinstall the OS.
So I post the results.
Thanks all of you o/
I'm curious....
Does windows allow imaging/installing from disk images for non corporate users ?
On my mac I image disks, and install whatever is needed from the images. Its magnitudes faster than waiting on cd/dvd read times.
Maybe someone here is familiar with how its done on windows ?
Windows has some of the most efficient installation methods of any OS, you can essentially build whatever you like and have a completed automated / unattended install
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Windows has some of the most efficient installation methods of any OS, you can essentially build whatever you like and have a completed automated / unattended install
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More specifics would be good.
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Well, how about you tell us what you want to do, remote, network, disk, usb, pre setup, semi setup,what do you want an we can show you how, I've not come across any limitations. Yet ! =)
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OK, so coming from Surface RT, this thing is small, really small, but I like it, because its soooooo much faster than the Surface RT was. I found myself using my surface for consumption 95% of the time, and the other 5% was doing remote access work. Now, I don't even have to use remote access, x86 support is amazing.
- No web compromises at all - Silverlight support (Time Warner Cable streaming TV - device got really warm doing this, probably why its not supported on WinRT), Java, all the Google stuff, just work with x86, no more sad workarounds through crappy 3rd party apps for RT. Not sure what having Silverlight, Java, Chrome will do to the battery, but so far, its pretty great. I streamed NFL game through IE yesterday, still had 70% battery left after 3.5 hour continuous stream. The back of the device gets warm, but not bad at all.
- Install TouchMousePointer - http://www.lovesummertrue.com/touchm...-us/index.html for those times where you need mouse pointer support on your desktop. I tried to use an Android trackpad app, it didn't work. Im going to be getting new Nokia Lumia 929 on release day, hopefully it works in the MS ecosystem.
- Active Pen support (Synaptics) - I have yet to use this, but reviews elsewhere aren't so great. For the most part, they say that if your a printer, its terrible. If you use cursive for note taking, its good. I am coming from a really bad capacitive (almost unusable), so any improvement will be good........not to mention that I didn't have to spend 1200$ on Surface Pro to get active digitizer. (eta on stylus delivery is 11/7), ill update my review then.
- Bluetooth mouse is a bit laggy, not sure if its my mouse, or the tablet. Maybe a driver update is needed. It seems a bit jumpy......going to see if I can try a different one, hopefully its just the mouse, and not the hardware.
- Micro USB - I really wish I could plug in non powered USB drives via an OTG cable adapter, but unfortunately they do not work. I will have to buy a powered hub to get it to work. Kind of annoying, but its the price you pay to have a device this small. The fact that I can connect to home group, and utilize file transfer via wireless network is a great feature of windows 8.
- No wired external display options - I have yet to try using MHL - anyone try this yet? Im hoping that it works. If not, Ill have to try a Miracast receiver - I am concerned with any lag that could occur though.
- Accessories...........or lack thereof - there are no accessories, dell has an overpriced case (40$), and a 35$ stylus that others suggest shouldn't cost more than 10-15$. I would love to find a good case that would prop it up........Not sure why other OEMs don't understand the importance of a good integrated kickstand - really missing this from the Surface. Wondering if a case from a Note 8, or Kindle, or Nexus would work, don't have time to compare sizes, etc........too busy tinkering, and installing real software on this thing.
- Performance - FAST....a lot faster than I thought.......this isn't your typical Atom processor, check out youtube, there are some videos of this thing playing some serious games at 30fps.....it is legit. Windows apps from the store are super fast, switching between them, etc.........see below for some desktop apps ive installed:
(note, I chose older versions of software purposefully because they are much less taxing on the cpu, but still serve 98% of their purpose):
- AutoCAD 2007 - runs great, faster than on my laptop (its an old laptop with core2duo processor, and AMD gpu). I haven't tried anything 3D, but I assume it will handle basic functions fine - im not going to render anything with it - that's what remote access is for, but in a pinch, if I need to I can open files natively. It tells me that its not compatible with windows 8, but files open no problem. I think im missing some fonts, etc, but for the most part, running AutoCAD on a 8" screen is freaking cool.
- Photoshop CS6 - runs great, haven't tried anything gpu intensive - it opens images Pretty quick.
Want to try Lightroom, Google Earth, VLC, Spotify desktop version, Remote desktop - yes, im going to set up so I can remote access my tablet.........don't ask, just because I can - and that's the beauty of Windows 8!!!...........32gb is pretty limited....I might return it for the 64gb version - unless there any way to install x86 apps, and/ or move installed metro apps to the SD card?
Loving it so far, it has some minor issues, so close to being the PERFECT portable device. If I were an OEM mfr, id make full USB port a priority - if you have to have a small hump on one end to support it, then so be it, its sooooooo much better to not have to have an OTG adaptor cable. Also, HDMI out should be standard as well, especially since Miracast is still somewhat new tech.
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- No web compromises at all - Silverlight support (Time Warner Cable streaming TV - device got really warm doing this, probably why its not supported on WinRT),
Not sure what having Silverlight, Java, Chrome will do to the battery, but so far, its pretty great.
unless there any way to install x86 apps, and/ or move installed metro apps to the SD card?
Loving it so far, it has some minor issues, so close to being the PERFECT portable device. If I were an OEM mfr, id make full USB port a priority - if you have to have a small hump on one end to support it, then so be it, its sooooooo much better to not have to have an OTG adaptor cable. Also, HDMI out should be standard as well, especially since Miracast is still somewhat new tech.
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Warm isnt why silverlight wasnt support on windows RT (winRT and windows RT are not the same btw, although it is true that there is no silverlight on WinRT I guess). Its obsolete and hardly supported by microsoft, they dont want to bother porting tech that they cant be bothered with on x86 any more to win32 on ARM too.
Silverlight, java and chrome wont effect the battery on your tablet any more than they would on a laptop really.
Its normal windows 8.1, so you can install x86 desktop programs onto whichever drive you want, hence why most software installers specifically ask where to install, just set that to SD card. There is no requirement to use C:/Program Files for win32 applications. That one I thought was common knowledge for all windows users.
Full size USB port would be nice but you wont get full current from it. The battery cannot supply enough current, nothing to do with overall size of the system. The same restriction applies to most windows tablets, android tablets, android phones and more rarely laptops too (although usually old ones).
It really was dumb of dell to not stick a video output somewhere on the device, that almost puts me off the thing entirely.
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Warm isnt why silverlight wasnt support on windows RT (winRT and windows RT are not the same btw, although it is true that there is no silverlight on WinRT I guess). Its obsolete and hardly supported by microsoft, they dont want to bother porting tech that they cant be bothered with on x86 any more to win32 on ARM too.
Silverlight, java and chrome wont effect the battery on your tablet any more than they would on a laptop really.
Its normal windows 8.1, so you can install x86 desktop programs onto whichever drive you want, hence why most software installers specifically ask where to install, just set that to SD card. There is no requirement to use C:/Program Files for win32 applications. That one I thought was common knowledge for all windows users.
Full size USB port would be nice but you wont get full current from it. The battery cannot supply enough current, nothing to do with overall size of the system. The same restriction applies to most windows tablets, android tablets, android phones and more rarely laptops too (although usually old ones).
It really was dumb of dell to not stick a video output somewhere on the device, that almost puts me off the thing entirely.
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Are you referring to Silverlight the API or Silverlight the video format xD? The API was integrated in .Net and winRT.
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Are you referring to Silverlight the API or Silverlight the video format xD? The API was integrated in .Net and winRT.
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I was not aware of any video format known as silverlight so you tell me which one I meant.
The API was always .NET based but uses one hell of alot of extensions. Silverlight programs will not run on a bare .NET virtual machine, even the windows 8 one. Easily proven with this lovely thing called trying it at home. .NET was integrated to winRT, silverlights "extra bits" were not.
Last major update to silverlight was december 2011. All releases since have been patch only. Silverlight has poor support outside of windows. Silverlight is entirely unsupported on android, iOS and linux, it seems rather unstable on OSX although that could just be the ancient OSX memory leak (personally witnessed OSX memory leaking on over 10 machines, yet you mention it on the apple forums asking for help in a polite manner and your thread gets deleted or they attribute it to firefox which is great but of the machines I have seen the issue on only 1 had firefox installed, my dads current mac it actually seems to be iTunes, quicktime, vuze and dropbox which are the main offenders) plus my dads mac having hardly any RAM probably compound this. Flash also sucks yet I would choose it over silverlight any day. Any company that limits itself to using silverlight for anything web based is utterly idiotic, except maybe in a thin client environment in some sort of corporation with windows thin clients perhaps, but even then I doubt the suitability in that role...
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I was not aware of any video format known as silverlight so you tell me which one I meant.
The API was always .NET based but uses one hell of alot of extensions. Silverlight programs will not run on a bare .NET virtual machine, even the windows 8 one. Easily proven with this lovely thing called trying it at home. .NET was integrated to winRT, silverlights "extra bits" were not.
Last major update to silverlight was december 2011. All releases since have been patch only. Silverlight has poor support outside of windows. Silverlight is entirely unsupported on android, iOS and linux, it seems rather unstable on OSX although that could just be the ancient OSX memory leak (personally witnessed OSX memory leaking on over 10 machines, yet you mention it on the apple forums asking for help in a polite manner and your thread gets deleted or they attribute it to firefox which is great but of the machines I have seen the issue on only 1 had firefox installed, my dads current mac it actually seems to be iTunes, quicktime, vuze and dropbox which are the main offenders) plus my dads mac having hardly any RAM probably compound this. Flash also sucks yet I would choose it over silverlight any day.
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Actually, Silverlight was a native API wrapped with .net methods to call from .net language. It was introduced with windows vista and most of it consumed by the WPF API implemented latter. The API itself survives through an open source implementation called Moonlight and is a viable cross platform GUI API.
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Actually, Silverlight was a native API wrapped with .net methods to call from .net language. It was introduced with windows vista and most of it consumed by the WPF API implemented latter. The API itself survives through an open source implementation called Moonlight and is a viable cross platform GUI API.
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Errm, no it doesnt seeming as moonlight was scrapped, besides, did you ever try moonlight? The thing did not work at all for anything more complex than hello world. Plus you said yourself, native API, entirely contradicting your previous statement of it being part of .NET, you dont really know yourself do you.
My point still stands. Unsupported on linux. Buggy on OSX. No longer being updated besides patching on windows. Not supported on mobile. Yep, totally a viable cross platform GUI.
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Warm isnt why silverlight wasnt support on windows RT (winRT and windows RT are not the same btw, although it is true that there is no silverlight on WinRT I guess). Its obsolete and hardly supported by microsoft, they dont want to bother porting tech that they cant be bothered with on x86 any more to win32 on ARM too.
Silverlight, java and chrome wont effect the battery on your tablet any more than they would on a laptop really.
Its normal windows 8.1, so you can install x86 desktop programs onto whichever drive you want, hence why most software installers specifically ask where to install, just set that to SD card. There is no requirement to use C:/Program Files for win32 applications. That one I thought was common knowledge for all windows users.
Full size USB port would be nice but you wont get full current from it. The battery cannot supply enough current, nothing to do with overall size of the system. The same restriction applies to most windows tablets, android tablets, android phones and more rarely laptops too (although usually old ones).
It really was dumb of dell to not stick a video output somewhere on the device, that almost puts me off the thing entirely.
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I have Photoshop installed on C - in order to move it to the sd card, can I just copy paste from C/Program files, or do you recommend re-installing to that particular location? Do you think there will be any noticible drop in performance from running application from micro sdhc card?
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I have Photoshop installed on C - in order to move it to the sd card, can I just copy paste from C/Program files, or do you recommend re-installing to that particular location? Do you think there will be any noticible drop in performance from running application from micro sdhc card?
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My experience with copy/pasting from C to another drive has been varied. Some applications will do it happily (GTA san andreas survived with a just a broken start menu shortcut, libre office died entirely. I would uninstall and reinstall to guarantee it survives the trip.
SD card read/write speeds should be fairly similar to the eMMC storage of the venue anyway. Application performance shouldnt be altered much.
Only other difference would be wear levelling. SSD's in desktop PC's may be slated for reduced lifetimes compared to old style magnetic hard drives, but SD cards are even worse. But they are cheap to replace and thankfully are replaceable unlike the internal storage on the tablet. Nor are they going to die on you next week, some people are regularly using raspberry pi's which boot the full system from SD card without issue (some people have also had them die from wear levelling in the pi after some heavy usage). If a pi can boot and run a full OS from SD, windows can run an application from an external SD card.
Did you tried out any games? i was wondering whether it can run old games like NFS most wanted or underground II.
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Did you tried out any games? i was wondering whether it can run old games like NFS most wanted or underground II.
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Havent tried yet, focusing on getting software I use most..........I do want some NFS, or something like it on the tablet, especially since EA has completely ignored windows 8 from a Racing / Sports game point of view. There are on screen controlers that can be used
What im wondering, is it worth it to install new games on it - say Tiger Woods 2013, and run on lower settings.........or to just go for say, TW2010, and let it run higher. I assume that because of ATOM graphics limitations on full Windows games it might be better to run older games than the newest.
Maybe i try out Call of Duty Modern Warfare from 3 or 4 years ago instead of trying to run Ghosts on the thing. I dont even know if it would run, but im just wondering if goign with older games would be a better move, any thoughts?
Cant hurt to try old and move newer if you have the games available.
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Havent tried yet, focusing on getting software I use most..........I do want some NFS, or something like it on the tablet, especially since EA has completely ignored windows 8 from a Racing / Sports game point of view. There are on screen controlers that can be used
What im wondering, is it worth it to install new games on it - say Tiger Woods 2013, and run on lower settings.........or to just go for say, TW2010, and let it run higher. I assume that because of ATOM graphics limitations on full Windows games it might be better to run older games than the newest.
Maybe i try out Call of Duty Modern Warfare from 3 or 4 years ago instead of trying to run Ghosts on the thing. I dont even know if it would run, but im just wondering if goign with older games would be a better move, any thoughts?
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yep.me too thinking of the same ,iam planning to get a baytrail windows 8 tab with 10inch display and a keyboard(not sure know which one to buy though ) .anyway it will be a bit far fetched idea to run new games on a weak processor.but id like to play 1 or 2 old games like NFS underground II or resident evil 4.
How is the Wi-Fi on the VP8? I have the latitude 10 and the Wi-Fi has always seemed sluggish. The 5g always connects at the same speed as the 2.4Ghz band. Glad to hear the bay trail performs well.
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How is the Wi-Fi on the VP8? I have the latitude 10 and the Wi-Fi has always seemed sluggish. The 5g always connects at the same speed as the 2.4Ghz band. Glad to hear the bay trail performs well.
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You do have a 5ghz router right?
Yep and a 5Ghz extender as well. My phone will connect to either of the 5g connections at least 150mb. But not so for the latitude. I am hoping the VP8 would connect faster. It will be here tomorrow.
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I have an old Linksys G router at home, that desperately needs replacing, but just haven't gotten around to it. It hasn't given me any issues with streaming media, so I just haven't been motivated, but I am really looking to boost my home wifi speeds with one of the routers that can has USB media streaming capability. That being said, my DV8P has had no issues with WIFI. My Surface RT (which I am selling), had so many issues with limited wifi. No issues with this device so far.
Just came across this video...........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPPY4m8iY0k&feature=youtu.be
full desktop computer in 8" tablet with USB 3.0 docking station. I will be buying one of these asap.
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Just came across this video...........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPPY4m8iY0k&feature=youtu.be
full desktop computer in 8" tablet with USB 3.0 docking station. I will be buying one of these asap.
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Well not really...
It is plugged into a SINGLE micro USB 2.0 socket.. So you can NEVER get USB3.0 speed and if you use some monitors with the Pluggable, i doubt the data transfer rates will be high (and i am talking about USB 2.0 speed and not USB 3.0).
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Well not really...
It is plugged into a SINGLE micro USB 2.0 socket.. So you can NEVER get USB3.0 speed and if you use some monitors with the Pluggable, i doubt the data transfer rates will be high (and i am talking about USB 2.0 speed and not USB 3.0).
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The micro USB is USB3.0
SixSixSevenSeven said:
The micro USB is USB3.0
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... And who said this? The Pluggable Guys?
The only thing, which i really trust would be the Dell specs OR if a Owner would present us some speed-tests or details from the Device-Manager in WIN8.1:
http://www.dell.com/us/p/dell-venue-8-pro/pd?oc=fncwv8p01h&model_id=dell-venue-8-pro
"Ports & Connectors
1 x Micro-AB USB2.0 (for trickle charging and data transfer)
1 x Headphone and microphone combojack
1 x 3FF micro-SIM slot (coming soon, optional with WWAN configuration)"
It is not that I would be unhappy about USB 3.0, but it is just USB 2.0..
Edit: The Dell Venue Pro 11!! has USB 3.0.. Not the 8"
Hi, I am interested in buying a cheapo windows 8.1 with bing tablet and need help picking one from ebay. I will want to format and clean OS install
Can I have a recommendation on a model.. Budget no more than $300 Australia Dollars or around the 240 US.$
I am an IT techie so I know the ins and outs of installing os onto laptops and desktops.. i inderstand BIOS's and understand technology fairly well.
Tho never actually used a portable windows device. Do most of these devices have bios like a desktop? Startup selection hdd vs usb hdd etc?
I will want to end up deleting the recovery... Delete the android os if included and install 8.1 with bing clean, or eventually purchase a 8.1/10 pro for business use.
If I can have some info on whats good and whats not, i would really appreciate that.
Chuwi Vi10 64GB + Keyboard around $255 shipped to Australia from Gearbest.com
Cheapest one I could find. I myself is wanting this tablet, but might want to wait till Cherry Trail tablets are out.
Currently have a Voyo A1 Mini 8" Tablet. Win10 TP, removed android.
can you tell me how you went about doing this?
do these hand helds operate like a computer? same sort of bios settings?
how do you enter bios on your model?
is it anything like changing roms for mobile phones like samsung galaxy for example where you need USB cable connected and download roms onto it? or it is actually a fairly simple operation?
you can install drivers? where did you source them from?
any other comments would be great...
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can you tell me how you went about doing this?
do these hand helds operate like a computer? same sort of bios settings?
how do you enter bios on your model?
is it anything like changing roms for mobile phones like samsung galaxy for example where you need USB cable connected and download roms onto it? or it is actually a fairly simple operation?
you can install drivers? where did you source them from?
any other comments would be great...
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I look into it as a handheld portable PC.
UEFI is what most Windows Tablet is using.
Installation, operation and use is exactly as you would expect it as with other Windows PCs, limited to its own hardware, and/or the OS you put on it. Search Ubuntu/Linux on chinese tablets.
You should do your assignments more before delving into this.
On a personal level, I can see myself selling my i3 15.6" laptop (I only retro game, and used mainly for Java, Visual Studios and non-hardware heavy) and my Voyo A1 Mini tablet, to get a good 2-in-1 PC. I need/want a more compact portable PC. And same as you, I've got a VERY limited budget.
To share to you my current requirements (deal-breakers if not met), and must not be lower/missing, to completely replace the said above PCs:
1. 64GB internal capacity (eMMC 5.0, better yet SSD) (higher capacity will be more than welcome)
2. HDMI output
3. Dock-in Keyboard supported (hate bluetooth keyboards)
4. At least 1 FULL USB slot (hoping a USB C tablet will be released soon)
5. A dedicated power input socket
6. Have decided to wait for Cherry Trail CPUs (hoping to be released end of September to holiday season)
7. Decent capacity for battery
8. 2GB Ram for an x86 OS (4GB on x64 OS) (more is more than welcome)
Optional:
Keyboard dock to have output sockets too (usb), built-in battery. similar to Asus T100. Hopefully newer tablets will have full x64 OSes.
Still.. to each their own, on how they'll be using the device/s.
Hey guys, not sure if there are many people here but I'm looking for some help. I recently bought a shift off ebay because I like the cool sliding form-factor and collecting old palm tops in general. When I got it it had vista on it. It also had a lot of garbage and porn on it from the previous seller who claimed it was mint... that's another story. I ran into some problems with it and tried to reinstall vista. Then I decided to throw windows 10 on it instead thinking it would make it run better.
Unfortunately windows 10 has slowed it down to a crawl. I can't get anything done on it. It's using up a lot of processing power to the point that the device gets hot and abruptly shuts down. I don't know what I was expecting really, it only has an 800mhz proc. Have any of you guys gotten 10 to run smoothly? I'd appreciate any advice. Thanks.
Hi,
There are a number of Windows 10 performance tips in the thread titled "[GUIDE] Installing Windows 10 Technical Preview on the HTC Shift, especially in the final couple of pages.
I'm running Windows 10 on my Shift, and despite my best efforts, it still runs very slow, but good enough for running efficient applications such as Evernote, OneDrive and Word.
My Shift gets hot but it has never suffered from overheating. Perhaps your fan is faulty. Can you hear the fan running?
Hi guys, i was always fanatic for ultra mobile pc´s, i had some vaio P, and now i bought a HTC shift, just spent 50 euros in it, so it is a bargain
I have some questions here:
1- guy who sold me told me that wifi don´t work in windows 8 ( os installed), it needs some driver to work in windows 8/10? or it´s not possible to enable wifi?
2- when i receive the shift should i format all partions and make a new install of win 10? the owner told me that hd is 60gb and have 2 partitions
3- so for what i understand, there is the windows mode and then the windows mobile mode? they are installed in diferent partitions? how does this work?
thank you
i made a clean install of win 10, win 10 is very slow for shift.... all was working less wifi, it wasn´t detecting my home network
made a clean install of win 7 home premium, all smooth and quick, fast boot time, all things are working including touchscreen and wifi
in windows 7 i cant acess 3g dont know why
another problem is that when i press windows mobile key, i only get a black screen, what is the problem?
thank you
ps. for browsing i recimend slim jet browser, really fast and smoother, and very good to use with finger
I take it by now that you have learned that only the windows side uses the HDD (and bluetooth and the SD card). The Windows Mobile side is not connected to any of these (although it is connect to Windows and so can potentially access them if Windows is running).
If 3G is not working in Windows 7, have you run the "Shift Control Centre" to ensure that "Modem" is ON?
When I installed Windows 10 on my HTC Shift from a bootable USB drive created with the "Windows Media Creator" application, I performed a new installation after first deleting all of the partitions on the hard drive. This included the factory default Vista recovery partition, which I will never need, and I'd rather have the extra Gbs of storage.
There was a 2GB RAM module you could buy for it. Also, could you put an SSD inside it to speed it up?
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There was a 2GB RAM module you could buy for it. Also, could you put an SSD inside it to speed it up?
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You can buy a 2gb module in eBay but they are very expensive
About SSD you can use it, dont know wich modelo, but its possible, but this laptop have slow processor and bad graphic, so, i dont recomend this investment at all
I've got two Shifts. One with liberated Snapvue, 2GB Ram and 128GB SSD.
Had Windows7 installed, but then tried Win10. The first Beta versions made shift run like a charm, but with each update it became slower. I then returned to Vista with AeroDesign and 3d gimmicks disabled. Now runs pretty good, fast enough and stable.
The second Shift also runs Vista. Unfortunately i'm not able to liberate its Mobile side, as it refuses to receive emails although 3G is working fine. Strange thing: though not liberated, Vista is able to use the 3G modem.
windows 7 runs ok in shift, for me it´s the best os
Running Windows 10 on my Shift. I disabled certain things such as background apps, superfetch, and Windows search.
I wonder how much impact the future Meltdown and Spectre mitigation updates will have on my poor stock HTC Shift...
Wow! Started reading this thread and I cant believe I fired up my Shift. Running Windows 8 on it. It took 30 minutes for Windows defender to update . Updating Windows now. ANyone know where I can find an inexpensive battery?
Thanks
try ebay
search for htc x9500 or htc shift
btw
win 7 is the best os for this machine
Battery
Search htc shift in ebay and some will appear. Not cheap cicra £20-30 but probably not a deal breaker either.
I have used kingspec 1.8 inch 128 gb ssd's in other devices and they work well. Their speed depends upon the interface required, if ide then this will be the bottleneck. As for the original hdd they are one of the slowest ever made and were redesigned for media player usage!
Slow down windows 10 on a 1 CPU 800mHz 1gb or 2gb?
Answer this question first!!!