Windows 10 on S8 - Samsung Galaxy S8 Questions and Answers

So Microsoft is releasing windows 10 for arm chips specifically for the snapdragon 835 with an emulation layer
There are already unofficial iso builds
pastebinDOTCOM/m263G8Ku
(I'm not allowed to post links yet)
Is there a project or a developer who is working on way to run windows on the s8??
Ps. Please don't respond with limbo, bochs....

keyone1 said:
So Microsoft is releasing windows 10 for arm chips specifically for the snapdragon 835 with an emulation layer
There are already unofficial iso builds
pastebinDOTCOM/m263G8Ku
(I'm not allowed to post links yet)
Is there a project or a developer who is working on way to run windows on the s8??
Ps. Please don't respond with limbo, bochs....
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News source
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https://www.qualcomm.com/news/onq/2016/12/07/windows-10-powered-snapdragon
Found two German Sites that reported about Normal PC's , Ultra Mobile PC's and a Tablet..
Windows 10 (not Mobile) for Arm64 will not work with Phones (offically) . Joe Belfiore extra mentioned it in this Video.
https://mixer.com/windowsinsider?vod=4903484 (Around 47 Minutes)

Pipe dream https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/06/09/intel_sends_arm_a_shot_across_bow/

Of course not officially
Found two German Sites that reported about Normal PC's , Ultra Mobile PC's and a Tablet..
Windows 10 (not Mobile) for Arm64 will not work with Phones (offically) .
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Yeah officially they won't release anything for a phone. But at the end of the day it's the same chip, so it uses the same instructions!
Here are a lot of people writing their own kernels, I would guess that's not impossible for them....

peachpuff said:
Pipe dream
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Pls explain....
there are going ahead to release at the end of the year and there is an unofficial release although Intel threatened Microsoft with a sue nothing happened.

Bootloader is the issue on the s8, it needs to be unlocked, wich is not possible on the snapdragon variant

keyone1 said:
Pls explain....
there are going ahead to release at the end of the year and there is an unofficial release although Intel threatened Microsoft with a sue nothing happened.
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Read the article i posted, everything is explained there.

nikexv2 said:
Bootloader is the issue on the s8, it needs to be unlocked, wich is not possible on the snapdragon variant
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Thanks for the explanation! This sound plausible!
So would it be possible on the exynos/eu s8?
In other words is the bootloader on the exynos unlocked?

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Bootloader is the issue on the s8, it needs to be unlocked, wich is not possible on the snapdragon variant
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So it can work on the exynos model? Would it be possible without root?

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[Q] install Windows 7 on TF101

Before all the hardcore Android fans start swearing at me for asking this question.... there is a reason for asking it.
As the title explains...... has anyone been able to install Windows 7 on the TF101 (aka Transformer) ?
I've read a couple of articles online that the tablet was suppose to come with Windows 7 on it, which would mean that somewhere, someone at Asus has already done it.
Any of the developers on here know how to install Windows 7 on the TF101 ?
Article links below :
http://www.technologyrekor.eu/asus-eee-pad-tf101-windows-7-tab-gets-fcc-nod.html
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/03/14/specs.expected.to.be.similar.to.ep121/
http://topsgadget.info/asus-eee-pad-tf101-comes-to-fcc-tablet-with-windows-7/990
Well, I am a Windows guy and I would love to have it running in the Decepticon but as far as I know there is no Tegra version of Windows 7.
You will have to wait for Windows 8.
It would be cool to have VMWare for Android.
I read here somewhere that there might be a problem with drivers. I would like to see that too!
Sent from my TF101
Yeah its an issue with the CPU type, its the same reason you couldn't virtualize or install windows on Macs before they changed to an x86 architecture. Windows 8 is the first one designed to run both on x86 and ARM processors, its much deeper than drivers though, even the applications will have to behave differently.
check out the links..... someone obviously has a TF101 with windows 7 on it.
Just a matter of finding out how it was done.
Since the TF101 uses a Tegra 2 processor (not an Intel CULV as some early press reports stated), and Windows 7 does not support the Tegra 2 architecture, unfortunately installing Windows 7 on it is not possible.
Windows 8 will have ARM support, so there'll be a chance that works...
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Since the TF101 uses a Tegra 2 processor (not an Intel CULV as some early press reports stated), and Windows 7 does not support the Tegra 2 architecture, unfortunately installing Windows 7 on it is not possible.
Windows 8 will have ARM support, so there'll be a chance that works...
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forgive me for being dumb...... but check the date release on those articles. They are only 2 weeks old. I dont think it would be humanly possible to swap out the chipset, redesign the boards architecture and have it fully released in stores in just 1 week. These guys must have gotten their info from somewhere.
TRLOS said:
forgive me for being dumb...... but check the date release on those articles. They are only 2 weeks old. I dont think it would be humanly possible to swap out the chipset, redesign the boards architecture and have it fully released in stores in just 1 week. These guys must have gotten their info from somewhere.
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Two weeks old? Can I borrow your Tardis then, because all three are dated in March!
March 12th
March 14th
March 15th
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Its not a matter of switching the chip set and redesigning it. Those articles are just plain wrong and off base. It seems like they were just speculating based on other similar tablets being released at the time. The TF101 has an the Tegra 2 which is clearly a fact. All these articles mention completely different hardware. One of them even mentions a core i5.
It is not possible with the hardware that is in the tablet to run any current version of Windows. I promise there is not a TF101 somewhere running Windows 7, even internally at ASUS.
TRLOS said:
check out the links..... someone obviously has a TF101 with windows 7 on it.
Just a matter of finding out how it was done.
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Someone, somewhere, made a mistake and others ran with the story.
Apparently reading comprehension is low here or many of you didn't actually read the article attached and just assumed by looking at the pictures.
1. Pictures are not of the TF101, look at the placement of the mini HDMI vs the headphone jack. This is obviously a different model
2. CPU is claimed to be an Intel CULV model not a nVidia SOC of any kind.
3. As previously stated there is no current Windows desktop version that will run on any type of ARM device, so the current TF won't/can't run windows.
4. Just because the headline is dated two months ago doesn't mean there is a working version, there seems to be just enough to send to the FCC for certification.
5. Most likely a pre-production tablet used for testing and/or development, so yes they can swap internal parts and test to their hearts content.
Just because we may wish it to be true doesn't make it so.
If you really want an Asus tablet running Windows they already have the ASUS Eee Pad (Eee Slate) EP121-1A011M Intel Core i5.
foxmeister said:
Two weeks old? Can I borrow your Tardis then, because all three are dated in March!
March 12th
March 14th
March 15th
Regards,
Dave
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woops... i meant 2 months. (fingers ran away from me..my bad)
...still, that isn't a lot of time to completely redesign tablet architecture.
But, given the benefit of the doubt....what are the chances of even dual booting the WP7, WM6.5 or even the Windows 8 Beta version on these tablets ?
Heck, they were able to install Windows 98 on the HD2. I hadn't done it personally, but saw a thread on how to make it happen.
WheresWaldo said:
Apparently reading comprehension is low here or many of you didn't actually read the article attached and just assumed by looking at the pictures.
1. Pictures are not of the TF101, look at the placement of the mini HDMI vs the headphone jack. This is obviously a different model
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5. Most likely a pre-production tablet used for testing and/or development, so yes they can swap internal parts and test to their hearts content.
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It's clearly a preproduction model - you can see that it's running a 2.x version of Android from the icons in the top notification bar!
Regards,
Dave
Why is this in the Dev thread?
Could 1 of the Developers give an indication whether it would be possible to port another OS to these tablets ?
TRLOS said:
woops... i meant 2 months. (fingers ran away from me..my bad)
...still, that isn't a lot of time to completely redesign tablet architecture.
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They didn't redesign the tablet - the article(s) are all wrong. Occams razor!
But, given the benefit of the doubt....what are the chances of even dual booting the WP7, WM6.5 or even the Windows 8 Beta version on these tablets ?
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Unless we get a version of NVFlash that works with the Transformer, zero.
Even with a version of NVFlash that works with the Transformer, the chances are pretty close to zero without access to source.
Heck, they were able to install Windows 98 on the HD2. I hadn't done it personally, but saw a thread on how to make it happen.
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In an emulated environment - very different thing to running Windows 7!
Regards,
Dave
RedMist said:
Someone, somewhere, made a mistake and others ran with the story.
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This ^^^^^^^^^^
Why is this thread even here?
Maybe it's cocky of me to even ask, but I find it hard to believe that people in the dev section don't understand that Windows is currently x86 and not ARM. It's been that way forever. You'll never get Windows on an Android tablet until x86 versions of Android become commonplace.
Speculation is that Windows 8 will support ARM but I'm extremely skeptical. It makes no sense. ARM versions of windows wouldn't be able to run x86 executables unless there's some sort of emulation layer, and the performance would be horrible. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft shelves that feature before Windows 8 is released.
I'm hopeful we'll see native Ubuntu on ARM, but even then, who cares. I mean, we're expecting all this from a $399 tablet here. We splurged on this expensive toy; if we can spend that on a toy, we can buy a cheap laptop/netbook and throw or OS(es) of choice on it.
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It's definitely NOT possible as others have already stated in this thread. Windows does not currently run on the ARM CPU architecture at all. People have gotten older versions of windows working, only Windows 3.1 and early afaik but they did so through a DOS emulator that you launch from within Android and the performance is supposed to be ****ty.
When Windows 8 comes out, that is said to have an ARM compatible version that we might be able to install, but that's not going to be for a while.
Someone lock and move this thread to trash...

Plans to Port Windows 8 to Kindle Fire?

First, I know it's a little early for this, since Win8 isn't even in beta yet.
However, I just got a Kindle Fire, and would absolutely love a Win8 port when and if it becomes possible. So I had a few questions for devs that might take up this project.
Is anyone already planning on giving this a shot?
Would this have any legality issues, since Win8 will in all likely hood require a product key, even on the ARM version?
Is it even theoretically possible, since the Kindle Fire normally runs Android?
short answer: no
long answer: the Fire runs on an ARM CPU, while Windows 8 that has been released is 100% x86. Unless Windows 8 for ARM is released to the public - which is looking increasingly unlikely - then there's absolutely no hope. Even if it is, Only the hypothetical beta would be free of charge, and would expire fairly quickly. You would not be able to run any existing x86 programs on W8ARM, and there are rumors (with some evidence) of hardware compatibility that would prohibit it being put on any existing devices. So, even if it could be hypothetically possible, its not worth the effort. and what would you, as a consumer, get out of it, other than a UI you think is cool?
mtmerrick said:
short answer: no
long answer: the Fire runs on an ARM CPU, while Windows 8 that has been released is 100% x86. Unless Windows 8 for ARM is released to the public - which is looking increasingly unlikely - then there's absolutely no hope. Even if it is, Only the hypothetical beta would be free of charge, and would expire fairly quickly. You would not be able to run any existing x86 programs on W8ARM, and there are rumors (with some evidence) of hardware compatibility that would prohibit it being put on any existing devices. So, even if it could be hypothetically possible, its not worth the effort. and what would you, as a consumer, get out of it, other than a UI you think is cool?
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The ability to run amd64 apps.
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wtf is an AMD64app?
if you mean an x64 app, then um, no, you couldn't. x86 (x64 one name for 64 bit x86 processors) apps require an x86 processor. the kindle fire has an ARM processor. not even close to compatible, with one exception - most new metro apps will be cross compatible between windows 8 x86 and windows 8 ARM (and windows phone 8, if they decide to make it different form Window 8 ARM after all)
mtmerrick said:
wtf is an AMD64app?
if you mean an x64 app, then um, no, you couldn't. x86 (x64 one name for 64 bit x86 processors) apps require an x86 processor. the kindle fire has an ARM processor. not even close to compatible, with one exception - most new metro apps will be cross compatible between windows 8 x86 and windows 8 ARM (and windows phone 8, if they decide to make it different form Window 8 ARM after all)
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You=noob
A 64 bit processor can run in either amd64 or intel64. Microsoft claim that windows 8 will be one big system. They also say that they can get arm to run with amd64 (and intel64) apps fine but they are accused of being unable to do so with i386. I watched the video released by Microsoft about it. All 2 hours....
If you don't know something don't pretend you know about it before posting.
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really, huh. Everything I've heard puts down the rumor that 32 bit arm chips, which don't even approach the power of an i3 (and 64 bit arm chips don't exist yet) will be able to run the high end emulation needed to make an x86 apps (expecially cpu intensive 64 bit apps like most of us use on windows) work..... but that's just what I know, off all the research I've done.
If windows has managed to do the impossible, well, that's great. No sarcasm, that's awesome. But I've read press releases saying it can't be done, straight from Microsoft.
And I'm no noob - been here far longer than you, and been a tech junkie for years.
mtmerrick said:
really, huh. Everything I've heard puts down the rumor that 32 bit arm chips, which don't even approach the power of an i3 (and 64 bit arm chips don't exist yet) will be able to run the high end emulation needed to make an x86 apps (expecially cpu intensive 64 bit apps like most of us use on windows) work..... but that's just what I know, off all the research I've done.
If windows has managed to do the impossible, well, that's great. No sarcasm, that's awesome. But I've read press releases saying it can't be done, straight from Microsoft.
And I'm no noob - been here far longer than you, and been a tech junkie for years.
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Go on wikipedia and search windows 8. Go to the compatibility section and read. Then I want an apology for being a [email protected]
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Wikipedia said:
Windows 8 for ARM processors will not run software created for x86; software will have to be ported by its developers to create ARM executables from source code. [56][57]
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You self righteous troll.
mtmerrick said:
You self righteous troll.
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I'm sorry if I offended you but it's just my opinion fact.
And I'm sorry if your wrong. It wasn't my fault.
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um, you proved yourself wrong - i was right, as i thought. You are acting self righteous, and your behavior is best described as trollish. And im not insulted -I'm laughing at your ignorance. In case you can't see quotes or something weird like that, lemme re-copypaste from Wikipedia
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Windows 8 for ARM processors will not run software created for x86; software will have to be ported by its developers to create ARM executables from source code. [56][57]
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I'm sorry if I offended you but it's just my opinion fact.
And I'm sorry if your wrong. It wasn't my fault.
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1) You are an idiot, your attitude and language is discusting, i'm ashamed for you, and feel sorry for you family being related to such a duscusting little man.
2) There is no such thing as "Intel64", "AMD64" is just another name for x64 CPU's, this is because it was AMD that invented the 64bit insruction, even Intel chips use AMD's technology.
3) You have no right to be here if you are so retarded that you think an ARM CPU is compatible with either x86 or x64 based software.
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wtf with the flameing people? no need to be argueing like morons to each like that. look there will be a version of windows that will work on ARM and the op is asking when that version will be released and portable to the fire. Got it????
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1) You are an idiot, your attitude and language is discusting, i'm ashamed for you, and feel sorry for you family being related to such a duscusting little man.
2) There is no such thing as "Intel64", "AMD64" is just another name for x64 CPU's, this is because it was AMD that invented the 64bit insruction, even Intel chips use AMD's technology.
3) You have no right to be here if you are so retarded that you think an ARM CPU is compatible with either x86 or x64 based software.
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Sorry for getting you involved.....
Anyway. Back to ideas on porting. It would be difficult as the Kindle Fire is Android based and running on a EXT3/4 filesystem. You would also need a different bootloader - this all involves a lot of work.
i think we should be trying to focus on the hp touchpad and the kindle fire, also the nook tablet to try to port win 8 to them once the ARM verson is released.
benjamingwynn said:
Sorry for getting you involved.....
Anyway. Back to ideas on porting. It would be difficult as the Kindle Fire is Android based and running on a EXT3/4 filesystem. You would also need a different bootloader - this all involves a lot of work.
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Have you not listened to a single word in this thread? You can not port x86 Windows 8 to an ARM processor and expect x86 apps to run.
IF (and that's a big if) windows 8 ARM is released to the public, be it as a prerelase version or as a purchasable version, it'll be quite difficult to get it working on prexisting devices.
As i said before, there are roadblocks involved that may prohibit installing it at all. A W8 arm compatible 'BIOS' will be very difficult if not impossible to get working. It will be closed source, and quite possibly we will not be allowed to have it at all. Drivers will have to be rewritten, and windows 8 may still not be compatible with these drivers. plain old android (or whatever other ARM system) drivers will not work. There is also talk of Microsoft coding the OS as to not function with non-authorized hardware components (eg, will not work with some screens, cpus, ect) though i do not know how true this is.
Even if ARM is released to the public, and not available to OEMs only, don't expect to be able to do much to it - microsoft does not look kindly towards the modding community, and will be taking steps to hinder any changes we may need to make to the OS to get it to run.
The answer is, its unlikely at best.
mtmerrick said:
IF (and that's a big if) windows 8 ARM is released to the public, be it as a prerelase version or as a purchasable version, it'll be quite difficult to get it working on prexisting devices.
As i said before, there are roadblocks involved that may prohibit installing it at all. A W8 arm compatible 'BIOS' will be very difficult if not impossible to get working. It will be closed source, and quite possibly we will not be allowed to have it at all. Drivers will have to be rewritten, and windows 8 may still not be compatible with these drivers. plain old android (or whatever other ARM system) drivers will not work. There is also talk of Microsoft coding the OS as to not function with non-authorized hardware components (eg, will not work with some screens, cpus, ect) though i do not know how true this is.
Even if ARM is released to the public, and not available to OEMs only, don't expect to be able to do much to it - microsoft does not look kindly towards the modding community, and will be taking steps to hinder any changes we may need to make to the OS to get it to run.
The answer is, its unlikely at best.
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It will be released to buy. It's not open-source, because of this it is unlikely... but possible
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It will be released to buy. It's not open-source, because of this it is unlikely... but possible
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If you dont have the source code then best wishes to you coding drivers for ARM windows 8.
johnston9234 said:
If you dont have the source code then best wishes to you coding drivers for ARM windows 8.
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I don't need to. I'm not doing it. I came here to help and most of you threw that back in my face. I'm not here to flame.
I thought I could share my experiences with Windows since 95 and help you find hope for your kindle. If you don't want it then it's your loss. I don't have a kindle fire but I thought I should try to help you out anyway.
I can't help you with your problems unless you let me. I CAN code in a variety of different languages including C+ +, meaning I could easily pick up a arm driver for a sister device and port it.
Thanks for letting me voice my opinion. If you didn't like it then go tell someone who gives two....
A few road blocks against w8 on the fire
1) Storage: Will it actually fit in 8gig? Hopefully the arm version will without all the old bloat
2) Drivers: you are not going to see any windows8 tablet comes out with the "old" OMAP4430, they are talking about windows 8 tablets being quad core with 2gig of ram or something?
3) Ram: 512meg of ram will make running w8, if you even can get it to run, painful
4) Closed source: porting binary only OS's is hard/near imposable without a comparable device with a native version (See HD2 having almost the same hardware as WP7 and android devices).
I wouldnt bet against a port, as this is XDA, but I would consider it highly improbable.
(Also theres legal issues, MS would come down like a hammer on anyone sharing a w8 rom!)

Nexus 5X - Windows 10 [Port][Leak]

The Google–LG masterminded device has all the hardware needed to make an example of the platform. After all, the smartphone is spec'd close to the Microsoft Lumia 950, complete with the same Qualcomm Snapdragon 808 chipset. The Lumia 950, however, has a Quad-HD resolution AMOLED display and more RAM memory.
Unfortunately, we have absolutely no idea where you can get your hands on a Windows 10 ROM or launcher for the Nexus 5x. The operating system hasn't been made publicly available, Microsoft won't be porting it to a non-Lumia device anytime soon (although Xiaomi handset owners might be in for a surprise), and the video is ripe with mistification as a whole.
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Watch the Video here -:
Read this today morning. What do you guys think?
Source : http://www.phonearena.com/news/This...5X-keeps-the-dual-booting-dream-alive_id81207
Pretty interesting. Hoping more details would come out soon.
Interesting
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This would be pretty cool in combination with multirom
Indeed it will. Dual boot is required >.>
Any information when it will be available?
It's in MS hands to enable it on any device isn't it?
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Not sure why I would want this. Isn't Windows 10 dead on mobile?
Any news on this ? :fingers-crossed:
Imagine, Sailfish OS full-support with GApps and then dualbooted with this. Wow.
Download of this rom available ?????
Does anyone have the slightest idea on how they went about porting this rom? Did they just say screw it, and flash the rom from the Xiaomi Mi4, or would they have had to do any significant modifications beyond slight stuff, such as changing around build.prop and like files?
deadmatrix said:
Does anyone have the slightest idea on how they went about porting this rom? Did they just say screw it, and flash the rom from the Xiaomi Mi4, or would they have had to do any significant modifications beyond slight stuff, such as changing around build.prop and like files?
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It's Windows. No modifications needed on a per-device basis. But you might need to replace the bootloader with a BIOS...
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It's Windows. No modifications needed on a per-device basis. But you might need to replace the bootloader with a BIOS...
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Are you sure? IMO it doesn't work this way on smartphones.
Interesting
Sounds interesting but it could take a lot of storage though..
neth15 said:
Are you sure? IMO it doesn't work this way on smartphones.
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Ik that. But unless they've patches Windows to read kernel booting, then it would need a BIOS. You're probably right, it probably doesn't need that and can support it.
i might out looking for this rom for future
Windows 10 Mobile needs UEFI so...we don't have that here so we have to emulate it. Lumia 950 has the same SoC so it is posibile in someway to get it working on 5X.
Eurofighter_ty said:
Windows 10 Mobile needs UEFI so...we don't have that here so we have to emulate it. Lumia 950 has the same SoC so it is posibile in someway to get it working on 5X.
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S/He probably just flashed Nokia Lumia 950's whole partition table to our device.
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S/He probably just flashed Nokia Lumia 950's whole partition table to our device.
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Just LOL
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Just LOL
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Well, is the same SoC and most things would work.

Comes the unlocked bootloader on the SM-G950F ?????

Hello everyone, does anyone know if the SM-G950F purchased free will come with the free bootload or will you have to use it to free it?
Thank you.
lmmerono said:
Hello everyone, does anyone know if the SM-G950F purchased free will come with the free bootload or will you have to use it to free it?
Thank you.
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This has been discussed previously. Samsung added h/w level security to the Exynos 8895. Until it's in peoples hands no one knows for sure whether the changes will affect unlocking the bootloader.
gurinder073 said:
What version you think will have unlocked bootloader :good:
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Based on this, possibly none. If the only reason anyone is buying Exynos vs. S-835 is the unlocked bootloader you might want to hold off being the first to get it.
Finally, the Exynos 8895 also includes what Samsung is calling an “enhanced security sub-system with a separate security processing unit” for use with user authentication, mobile payments, and the like. Based on Samsung’s description this sounds a heck of a lot like Apple’s Secure Enclave, which would be a very welcome development, as in Apple’s case it has made their phones a lot harder to break into.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/11149/samsung-announces-exynos-8895-soc-10nm​
BarryH_GEG said:
Samsung added h/w level security to the Exynos 8895.
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What EXACTLY does this mean??
The Phone Company said:
What EXACTLY does this mean??
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Its been compared to the Apple Secure Enclave (Security Coprocessor). Here's its description...
Security circuit designed to perform secure services for the rest of the SOC
Prevents main processor from gaining direct access to sensitive data
Used to support a number of different services - Most notably Touch ID
Runs its own operating system - Includes its own kernel, drivers, services, and applications
Sounds to me like anything security related is being moved to a separate and independent h/w coprocessor that's an integrated component of the SoC. The motive has to be a level of security that's as impenetrable as Apple's and significantly stronger than s/w based alternatives. Here's something Qualcomm got called out on recently...
A blog post published Thursday revealed that in stark contrast to the iPhone's iOS, Qualcomm-powered Android devices store the disk encryption keys in software. That leaves the keys vulnerable to a variety of attacks that can pull a key off a device. From there, the key can be loaded onto a server cluster, field-programmable gate array, or supercomputer that has been optimized for super-fast password cracking.
https://arstechnica.com/security/20...sk-encryption-just-got-much-weaker-heres-why/​
This is a Samsung first being introduced on the 8895. What it means and how its implemented remain to be seen but that level of security investment by Samsung can't be good for things likely hackable bootloaders.
So wait, the snapdragon that USA is getting maybe easier to get an unlocked bootloader for? Based on this convo I am reading here?
BarryH_GEG said:
This has been discussed previously. Samsung added h/w level security to the Exynos 8895. Until it's in peoples hands no one knows for sure whether the changes will affect unlocking the bootloader.
Based on this, possibly none. If the only reason anyone is buying Exynos vs. S-835 is the unlocked bootloader you might want to hold off being the first to get it.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11149/samsung-announces-exynos-8895-soc-10nm[/I]​
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waiting for the answer to this!
So no one with an Exynos variant has tried to unlock the bootloader yet? Come on! Give us an answer! NOT Snapdragon, but Exynos. No Snapdragon owners need reply as you do NOT know. Only Exynos owners can answer this question.
Last year was simple OEM unlock for Galaxy S7 Exynos variants, I've been told repeatedly. That's what I'm talking about, whether it's still that easy or not.
I'm not talking about needing a dev to do magic.
GALAXY S7 EXYNOS
To OEM unlock is very easy on the exynos models . In our model is allow to do it with the click of a button , you have to:
Go to Settings / About device / Software info / Tap 7 times on Build number to enable Developer
Once developer options are enable ( you will see it under Settings) enter there you will see the option OEM Enable
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Will SOMEONE please check to see if this can still be done on Exynos Galaxy S8 or not?
ChazzMatt said:
So no one with an Exynos variant has tried to unlock the bootloader yet? Come on! Give us an answer! NOT Snapdragon, but Exynos. No Snapdragon owners need reply as you do NOT know. Only Exynos owners can answer this question.
Last year was simple OEM unlock for Galaxy S7 Exynos variants, I've been told repeatedly. That's what I'm talking about, whether it's still that easy or not.
I'm not talking about needing a dev to do magic.
GALAXY S7 EXYNOS
Will SOMEONE please check to see if this can still be done on Exynos Galaxy S8 or not?
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Yes, I followed the same steps and it works
aristopo said:
Yes, I followed the same steps and it works
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You actually unlocked your bootloader, or you confirmed last year's steps lead to the same choice?
Either way, THANK you for providing the screenshot.
So many people were worried Samsung had "Snadrogoned" the Exynos S8, so especially here in XDA seems like finding out the answer would be prioritized over wallpapers discussion and stuff.
If you actually unlocked the bootloader, please reply. Is someone else does, please reply!
Thanks!
I am not a specialist and I hate doing things I don't know about to my brand new phone
I followed the steps an toggled the button to ON
It asked for my pw, and here I stopped ...
Sorry ... for not doing it all the way
ChazzMatt said:
You actually unlocked your bootloader, or you confirmed last year's steps lead to the same choice?
Either way, THANK you for providing the screenshot.
So many people were worried Samsung had "Snadrogoned" the Exynos S8, so especially here in XDA seems like finding out the answer would be prioritized over wallpapers discussion and stuff.
If you actually unlocked the bootloader, please reply. Is someone else does, please reply!
Thanks!
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aristopo said:
I am not a specialist and I hate doing things I don't know about to my brand new phone
I followed the steps an toggled the button to ON
It asked for my pw, and here I stopped ...
Sorry ... for not doing it all the way
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Thank you anyway for the screenshot. Now, hopefully someone else can do it? Surely someone wants an unlocked bootloader so you can have custom ROMs, custom kernels?
Finally! Somebody who knows what XDA is about. Nobody wanted to even try to unlock the Exynos.
TWRP recovery in the S8+ forum get here.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3594756
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3594902

Windows Core on OP5

Microsoft Canada will sell Razor phone together with Galaxy 8(sold in all Microsoft stores)
You have to ask yourself. S8 and now Razor both Qualcom 835 with USB C. All one core demos Windows on ARM seen is on Qualcom 835 presumably on a phone motherboard...........
Windows support wifi, BT, USB, LTE via 835 what do you need? A phone app- SKYPE????
How hard to port on a phone. Windows 10 runs on almost any old hardware you can get your hands on..........So if the demos are already on 835 then you have to ask yourself again.........
I'm not a developer but maybe they could shed some light on this question. How hard so you think it will be to port Win 10 to OP5 when it will be released supporting Qualcom 835 probably later this month?
For hobbyist use? Probably not that hard. The only concern would be the motivation and the free time
For commercial use - useless! Microsoft will never go back there! IMHO under this CEO they are done with mobile devices.
daniel_loft said:
For hobbyist use? Probably not that hard. The only concern would be the motivation and the free time
For commercial use - useless! Microsoft will never go back there! IMHO under this CEO they are done with mobile devices.
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I'm not so sure, I think they are playing with words, Windows Mobile is dead sure. But Windows 10 on a Mobile Device is another issue............
Let me guess...
You have to ask yourself
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Ask what?
S8 and now Razor both Qualcom 835 with USB C. All one core demos Windows on ARM seen is on Qualcom 835 presumably on a phone motherboard...........
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So?
Windows support wifi, BT, USB, LTE via 835 what do you need? A phone app- SKYPE????
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What are you trying to point to?
How hard to port on a phone.
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Port what?
So if the demos are already on 835 then you have to ask yourself again.........
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Don't stop, continue your idea!
I'm not a developer but maybe they could shed some light on this question.
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So so so?
How hard so you think it will be to port Win 10 to OP5 when it will be released supporting Qualcom 835 probably later this month?
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That's the deal! Why your question placed at the down of your post? We don't know. Probably ez, probably not.

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