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Stock Android possible?

Been many a yore since I've been on Android consistently, been out-of-the-loop since the earliest days.
Just curious, is it technically possible to get a "Nexus-like" experience on a device like the Note 4 nowadays?
I'm attracted by all the sw/service benefits of a Nexus device, but I really love the hw of the Note 4*...
Is it possible to have "the best of both worlds" or close? I realise it's not an option so early in the device's life-cycle, but later perhaps?
Thank-you.
*Also considering the Note Edge (more research needed), but not 100% sold on it yet, unless someone can make a compelling case

jalyst said:
Been many a yore since I've been on Android consistently, been out-of-the-loop since the earliest days.
Just curious, is it technically possible to get a "Nexus-like" experience on a device like the Note 4 nowadays?
I'm attracted by all the sw/service benefits of a Nexus device, but I really love the hw of the Note 4*...
Is it possible to have "the best of both worlds" or close? I realise it's not an option so early in the device's life-cycle, but later perhaps?
Thank-you.
*Also considering the Note Edge (more research needed), but not 100% sold on it yet, unless someone can make a compelling case
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What you want is a rom based on AOSP (like cyanogenmod). It has the advantage of being nearly stock android with updates nearly as fast as google can push them out. It is much much quicker than carrier updates. Plus, AOSP is community/google supported so you can count on updates long after the carriers stop supporting your phone. This support is what allows kitkat to run on a galaxy s2 or a barnes and noble nook. lol.
So the catch to all this is you MUST have an unlocked bootloader. ATT and verizon are out because they have locked their bootloader.
On the note 3, people who had the tmobile note 3 (unlocked bootloader) had kitkat months and months before the ATT touchwiz kitkat was pushed by ATT.

But I'm not worried all that much about carriers not supporting my phone...
I usually buy unbranded/unlocked (i.e. outright: it makes more sense in my country -not USA), I imagine the same -or similar- applies to ODM/OEM's?

How far out are they (AOSP-based ROMS like CM) exactly from being stock Android?*
Are there many major differences, or only some minor ones, what are they exactly?
Thank-you/goodnight, bed time, 2am!
*i.e. what we have on Nexus devices

^Anyone? Thank-you!
P.S.
How do we delete posts, it says "EDIT/DELETE" but I can't find delete anywhere!?

jalyst said:
How far out are they (AOSP-based ROMS like CM) exactly from being stock Android?*
Are there many major differences, or only some minor ones, what are they exactly?
Thank-you/goodnight, bed time, 2am!
*i.e. what we have on Nexus devices
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It's as close as you can get, almost to the point of being the same. I honestly can't think of any major differences. My wife went from CM to a nexus 5 and she new exactly where everything was. My nexus 7 interface looks like my cm11 nook tablets.

Apart from the UX though, what are all the major (or minor) services/functionalities you lose?*
I mean mostly compared to stock Android that's found on the latest Nexus devices, but I guess also compared to Samsung's spin.
Also, you missed this post...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/stock-android-t2882646/post55566887
Finally, any idea how to delete posts?
Cheers mate!
*Given that mircury isn't sure on this point, can someone else please have a crack.

The main issues with going to AOSP are the inferior camera app and the lack of multiwindow support. With the big Volantis tablet coming out soon, Google may finally bake some multiwindow support into "L", and maybe devs can use the RAW access APIs to fix the camera, but I wouldn't expect miracles out of the box.
If you do want AOSP, you'll probably want to get a Qualcomm-based Note instead of an Exynos one - for various reasons a lot of the dev goes quicker on the Qualcomm platform. Not sure which will be the standard version in your country.

s44 said:
The main issues with going to AOSP are the inferior camera app and the lack of multiwindow support. With the big Volantis tablet coming out soon, Google may finally bake some multiwindow support into "L", and maybe devs can use the RAW access APIs to fix the camera, but I wouldn't expect miracles out of the box.
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That's literally it? That's nothing if that's all there is!?!
I'm used to hanging out mostly on quite esoteric/hack-ish platforms, so if that's all I have to deal with, "no biggy".
If you do want AOSP, you'll probably want to get a Qualcomm-based Note instead of an Exynos one - for various reasons a lot of the dev goes quicker on the Qualcomm platform. Not sure which will be the standard version in your country.
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Yeah I suspected that might be the case, I haven't checked that yet, I'm in Australasia/Oceania, Australia specifically.
I hope I've lucked out there, IIRC the international version (i.e. not local/telco-centric) usually is Qualcomm isn't it?
And this post???
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/stock-android-t2882646/post55566887
Also, anyone know how to delete posts?
Thank-you.

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*BUMP* @ anyone
TY/GN

No need to bump your post 3 times. I would suggest you go on youtube and watch some video reviews. You will find that it is very much nexus like with no features lost.

Pretty sure you'll lose any proprietary stuff. Like the heartrate sensor...etc...especially the special uses for the S-Pen.

SiNJiN76 said:
Pretty sure you'll lose any proprietary stuff. Like the heartrate sensor...etc...especially the special uses for the S-Pen.
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He's talking about the difference between stock android on a nexus device and aosp. The stock rom from Samsung is a totally different ballgame.

mircury said:
No need to bump your post 3 times.
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Bumped twice, both with healthy time gaps. Going to YT won’t get this addressed:
jalyst said:
But I'm not worried all that much about carriers not supporting my phone...
I usually buy unbranded/unlocked (i.e. outright: it makes more sense in my country -not USA), I imagine the same -or similar- applies to ODM/OEM's?
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Or this…
jalyst said:
How do we delete posts, it says "EDIT/DELETE" but I can't find delete anywhere!?
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jalyst said:
^Anyone? Thank-you!
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You forgot this one in your list.

Well, that was more than day earlier, but aside from that, able to address the 2 points above?
SiNJiN76 said:
Pretty sure you'll lose any proprietary stuff. Like the heartrate sensor...etc...especially the special uses for the S-Pen.
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Is that the only notable proprietary stuff that will go?
And is it unlikely that the AOSP community will eventually add support for such things?
mircury said:
He's talking about the difference between stock android on a nexus device and aosp. The stock rom from Samsung is a totally different ballgame.
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No I'm talking about all 3, i.e...
If I switch to AOSP (CM etc) what features will be missing* compared to: (1) stock on Nexus devices, & (2) stock Android for the Note 4.
Although I'm mostly interested in the former...
As I can easily work out the latter once (if) I have a Note 4, simply by using Samsung's flavour of Android for a while.
*& what bugs will I encounter

jalyst said:
Well, that was more than day earlier, but aside from that, able to address the 2 points above?
No I'm talking about all 3, i.e...
If I'm to switch to AOSP what features will I be missing* compared to stock on Nexus devices, & stock Android for the Note 4.
Although I'm mostly interested in the former...
As I can easily work out the latter once (if) I have a Note 4, simply by using Samsung's flavour of Android for a while.
*& what bugs will I encounter
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So we've basically established in previous posts that AOSP = Nexus features wise. No need to hash that out again.
Compared to Samsung's stock rom there is a TON of stuff and even more stuff when compared to Samsung's stock rom after each carrier has had it's way with it.
1. Multi windows
2. all the Spen features (Some spen features can be added back. See thread in note 3 forum.)
3. Tmobile wifi calling
4. Touchwiz
5. Different Notification pull down.
6. Different settings menus.
7. Carrier Bloatware
8. 4K recording not available in stock AOSP. Some have used Oneplus camera app. (Camera app not as good as Samsung's stock)
9. HDMI out not working.
10. NFC not working on some builds.
11. All the Samsung specific apps like milk music and SBeam.
12. Tethering limitations on the Carrier version stock (This is a big one)
I'll add more as I think of them...

mircury said:
So we've basically established in previous posts that AOSP = Nexus features wise. No need to hash that out again.
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But have we really? Not so sure about that. What's been put forward so far doesn't seem iron-clad conclusive.
Compared to Samsung's stock rom there is a TON of stuff, and even more stuff when compared to Samsung's stock rom after each carrier has had it's way with it.
1. Multi windows
2. all the Spen features
3. Tmobile wifi calling
4. Touchwiz
5. Different Notification pull down.
6. Different settings menus.
7. Carrier Bloatware
8. 4K recording not available (Camera app not as good as Samsung's stock)
9. HDMI out not working.
10. NFC not working on some builds.
11. All the Samsung specific apps like milk music and SBeam.
12. Tethering limitations on the Carrier version stock (This is a big one)
I'll add more as I think of them...
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Cheers buddy...
Don't care about what carriers may or may not add, I'll most likely be getting one that isn't carrier-based.
Even if I do get one from a carrier it won't be a US-based one, it'll most likely be from Telstra, & IME it never adds anything of value.

jalyst said:
But have we really? Not so sure about that. What's been put forward so far doesn't seem iron-clad conclusive.
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I thought we did. lol. I don't know how much clearer we can get. Google controls AOSP. It is stock android through and through. Go read up on what AOSP is and then read what CM is.

Question about how Android Beta's work

Hello all!
This is my first post on XDA, I was just wondering how Android Betas work... I know how iOS works because that was my main driver for a year when I thought the iOS market was superior. (Please ignore that comment when replying... xD), you just loaded a simple file.
But the Android Betas seem different...
I have a S7 Edge so:
is it possible to trick the beta into working on an S7?
Does it even work that way?
Or would it just break on loading the OS?
I'm a fairly tech-y guy, so you don't need to necessarily dumb it down for me.
Thanks !
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Oops! Forgot to be specific! I meant Android Betas like Android N!

Andrewcpu said:
Hello all!
This is my first post on XDA, I was just wondering how Android Betas work... I know how iOS works because that was my main driver for a year when I thought the iOS market was superior. (Please ignore that comment when replying... xD), you just loaded a simple file.
But the Android Betas seem different...
I have a S7 Edge so:
is it possible to trick the beta into working on an S7?
Does it even work that way?
Or would it just break on loading the OS?
I'm a fairly tech-y guy, so you don't need to necessarily dumb it down for me.
Thanks !
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What betas are you speaking of? For apps, the betas are under "Early Access" in the play store. Other apps (if the developer chooses) have an option to opt-in to beta releases at the bottom of the app description (see screenshot).

dynospectrum said:
What betas are you speaking of? For apps, the betas are under "Early Access" in the play store. Other apps (if the developer chooses) have an option to opt-in to beta releases at the bottom of the app description (see screenshot).
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I meant versions of Android like Android N etc. Sorry!

Andrewcpu said:
I meant versions of Android like Android N etc. Sorry!
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There are no betas of the OS

dynospectrum said:
There are no betas of the OS
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There's Android N Betas arent there? My question is, is it possible to load it onto a Samsung device despite it not being a Nexus

Andrewcpu said:
There's Android N Betas arent there? My question is, is it possible to load it onto a Samsung device despite it not being a Nexus
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I understand what you ask.
1st thing is we wish it was as easy as nexus!
As exynos is closed source we can't make it boot without issues. Read 1st post of CM13 thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/development/cyanogenmod-13-galaxy-s7-edge-t3414697
It's exactly the same as attempting to install and boot an N preview. Hopefully that may clear things a little ??

ASHLEY117 said:
I understand what you ask.
1st thing is we wish it was as easy as nexus!
As exynos is closed source we can't make it boot without issues. Read 1st post of CM13 thread here http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/development/cyanogenmod-13-galaxy-s7-edge-t3414697
It's exactly the same as attempting to install and boot an N preview. Hopefully that may clear things a little ����
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Ah I understand, so Samsung's version of N is to make all those things work with their hardware...

Andrewcpu said:
Ah I understand, so Samsung's version of N is to make all those things work with their hardware...
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Yes, they've released the open source parts of their kernel but none of the necessary code to run on the s7 with success right out the box.
Samsung will compile N once it's fully released by Google but with touchwiz UX and Samsung bloat lol. Rumours of an N beta build for s7 is being tested internally by Samsung as some comments in the firmware thread in the guides section but no vanilla android for us S7 owners for a while.

thats one of the cons of owning a samsung device..you will never experience true stock android on a samsung device although they did have a galaxy s5 google play edition but not anymore

hello00 said:
thats one of the cons of owning a samsung device..you will never experience true stock android on a samsung device although they did have a galaxy s5 google play edition but not anymore
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Its a shame they don't have galaxy google play editions anymore

I have a AOSP tablet and even had a chinese AOSP phone that had like 20 different OS's. I sold the phone cause it wasn't as awesome as my S6. I had a choice to get a nexus phone or lg g5 or xperia. But I chose S7 Edge cause it was simply better. AOSP is nice when it comes to modding it etc but after like a week or two it just gets slightly boring. I also had a lot of IPhones and an IPad but S7 Edge so far is waaay better than all of them.

So what will it take to get LineageOS on the SM-T580?

I love the T580. The screen is nice, speed is good, and though it has smaller storage it's livable.
So of course I want to break it.
I'm willing to put in the time to try my hand at building LineageOS for it, but I'm not too familiar with the innards of the Tab A 10.1.
I try to get devices that can and will eventually be rooted for custom ROMs, but it seems the Tab A is falling under the radar.
If anyone has any tips on how to begin to build for this device, I'll start researching it on my off time. I'm finishing a semester of college with a paper and test coming up, but I could use something to take a break from it all.

I would love lineageOS on the galaxy tab A 10.1. I think this is probably somewhat more doable now that lineageos has been ported to exynos devices (S7)., though still rather difficult given the historic challenges of exynos processors.
I would start by checking out the development threads for the S7:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...-unofficial-lineageos-14-1-galaxy-s7-t3529197
Also check out the exynos lineageOS repos:
https://github.com/search?q=org:LineageOS+exynos
I believe the SM-T580 has the 7870 octa processor, which hasn't (to my knowledge) been worked on yet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos

I also believe that the 2015 galaxy tab s2 had an exynos processor, and it has had CM/Lineage for a long time.

Angelwind said:
I love the T580. The screen is nice, speed is good, and though it has smaller storage it's livable.
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Everytime Samsung adds internal storage, they also pile in more bloatware. I'm happy to add the storage I need with the SDcard.

It looks like Samsung's new 2017 A series of phones will have the Exynos 7870 chipset, and they're testing for Android 7.0 now. Maybe when it's released we can get the device/vendor/kernel for it, as someone will probably work on getting Lineage to those phones.
Edit: Found a device and kernel github. Now all we need is vendor and we can do an initial build, correct?
Putting the githubs here for notes and comments on usability.
Device:
https://github.com/Siddhant-Naik/android_device_samsung_exynos7870-common
Kernel:
https://github.com/jony1512/android_kernel_samsung_exynos7870

I'll throw my name in the hat for beta tester. I'm super excited to see AOSP on this beast of a tablet.

madalu said:
I also believe that the 2015 galaxy tab s2 had an exynos processor, and it has had CM/Lineage for a long time.
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Yeah, I've had a T810 and T710 and tried all of the custom ROM. Not a single one of them was fully functional. No mic, no bluetooth, no fingerprint, no Netflix or Hulu. The list goes on and on. One ROM will some fixes and another one, other fixes, but not one of them has all the fixes.

sn-t585
madalu said:
I would love lineageOS on the galaxy tab A 10.1. I think this is probably somewhat more doable now that lineageos has been ported to exynos devices (S7)., though still rather difficult given the historic challenges of exynos processors.
I would start by checking out the development threads for the S7:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...-unofficial-lineageos-14-1-galaxy-s7-t3529197
Also check out the exynos lineageOS repos:
https://github.com/search?q=org:LineageOS+exynos
I believe the SM-T580 has the 7870 octa processor, which hasn't (to my knowledge) been worked on yet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exynos
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Hi at all.
Have You some idea about SM-T585 ? Is it possible to acquire flash contents ? Is it possible to root it without lose anything ? Thanks :good:

fergiu said:
Hi at all.
Have You some idea about SM-T585 ? Is it possible to acquire flash contents ? Is it possible to root it without lose anything ? Thanks :good:
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I can pull flash content, What do you need?

GamerTbg said:
I can pull flash content, What do you need?
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Good, so You could help me ? I need to recover all flash contents without lose nothing. Could You tell me how I have to proceed to do this ?

Should I stop checking this post every day and just give up hope?

NinoBrown1911 said:
Should I stop checking this post every day and just give up hope?
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Unless there's a way to pull the vendor files to at least try to start compiling, probably. I've been looking but I don't see anything popping up for this device.
I'm going to see what I can do when I have time next week to see if I can make my own vendor files. If I can get that going maybe I can make something work.

I don't know how any of this stuff works (I am just a huge cyanogen/lineage fan), but Android 7 is on it's way for the SM-T580 and maybe this will change things?
wi-fi.org/product-finder-results?keywords=SM-T580&op=Search&form_build_id=form-E2SKAR_pL0qT-lyXzsaO3tC2FxauQYig4_Bdh2ULq1o&form_id=wifi_cert_a pi_simple_search_form

So I tried to compile LOS14.1 yesterday to no avail. I don't know if I'm doing it right and if the name of the build is mine (it shows #1 as full-eng, and the list doesn't include the board name build). I keep getting errors when it tries to build ninja saying it can't find "bacon", but did I mean "racoon".
If anyone has any experience building let me know what you do. The tutorials I've been trying to use aren't really set up for troubleshooting even when you follow them to the letter.

So Nougat is hitting the T580. Any one know how to pull the drivers and other needed files to make Lineage?

NinoBrown1911 said:
Should I stop checking this post every day and just give up hope?
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I wouldn't just yet. I'm taking at shot at Android 7.1.2 for the Tab A (Exynos Wi-Fi). It's going to have to be AOSP:good:
Stay awesome,
Sam

Androidx86Fan said:
I wouldn't just yet. I'm taking at shot at Android 7.1.2 for the Tab A (Exynos Wi-Fi). It's going to have to be AOSP:good:
Stay awesome,
Sam
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Now this thread I'm gonna bookmark, I just became very interested!
Let me know if you need testing, I've got a couple of T580 I can run some tests on

barul42 said:
Now this thread I'm gonna bookmark, I just became very interested!
Let me know if you need testing, I've got a couple of T580 I can run some tests on
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Wow! When I hear ? a few, that got me excited. I've found the kernel and binary source and soon my computer will be chugging along. This is my FIRST custom rom. Hope it works

My sister actually has a SM-T580 but she won't let me do any testing on it. ROM should be ready this weekend. I'm going to need some help with testing.

Androidx86Fan said:
My sister actually has a SM-T580 but she won't let me do any testing on it. ROM should be ready this weekend. I'm going to need some help with testing.
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Which Android version/ROM?

Android Go, any chances to get it on galaxy s5?

Hello everyone,
I've been reading about the new google project Android go which will bring all the low resources phones android 8.1 optimizing the ram usage and many other aspects so that 8.1 can run smoothly.
Our galaxy s5 is now getting a "low end" phone even if it is simply amazing, so I was thinking, for people like me who love touchwiz, android go is a new hope to get android 8.1 officially and to give a new and longer life to our loved phone.
How about it developers? do you think it will be possible to get a ported versione for our galaxy s5? At the moment it seems that lineageOs staff is working on it already.
How about you galaxy s5 users? would you like to have it on your phone? what do you all think about it?
I'm happy to read your impressions and hopes, please leave a comment :fingers-crossed:

https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...mod-low-ram-property-patcher-android-t3737373

j1505243 said:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...mod-low-ram-property-patcher-android-t3737373
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Thank you....I was hoping to get a "ported" version of the android go from samsung to get and "official" android 8.1 on our galaxy s5 keeping the great camera quality and audio quality avoiding to move to a non touchwiz rom, it would be great! I personally think that it won't be something impossible and I hope to see it soon on xda I tried already the file in the link and I personally don't notice a great improvement on a 6.0.1 android rom as it is optimized for 8.1 android. anyway thank you so much :good::good::good:

bebop80 said:
Thank you....I was hoping to get a "ported" version of the android go from samsung to get and "official" android 8.1 on our galaxy s5 keeping the great camera quality and audio quality avoiding to move to a non touchwiz rom, it would be great! I personally think that it won't be something impossible and I hope to see it soon on xda I tried already the file in the link and I personally don't notice a great improvement on a 6.0.1 android rom as it is optimized for 8.1 android. anyway thank you so much :good::good::good:
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You won't notice any big difference since the S5 hardware is still capable of handling Android 8 flawlessly, you may notice some improvement on increased internal storage capacity and ram management when running a lot of apps.

james_rokr said:
You won't notice any big difference since the S5 hardware is still capable of handling Android 8 flawlessly, you may notice some improvement on increased internal storage capacity and ram management when running a lot of apps.
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+1

bebop80 said:
Hello everyone,
I've been reading about the new google project Android go which will bring all the low resources phones android 8.1 optimizing the ram usage and many other aspects so that 8.1 can run smoothly.
Our galaxy s5 is now getting a "low end" phone even if it is simply amazing, so I was thinking, for people like me who love touchwiz, android go is a new hope to get android 8.1 officially and to give a new and longer life to our loved phone.
How about it developers? do you think it will be possible to get a ported versione for our galaxy s5? At the moment it seems that lineageOs staff is working on it already.
How about you galaxy s5 users? would you like to have it on your phone? what do you all think about it?
I'm happy to read your impressions and hopes, please leave a comment :fingers-crossed:
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Did you mean like we will get official android 8.1 touchwiz rom?? Ported tw roms available but almost roms are unstable. Am glad if developers design new official android 8.1 tw rom to s5 without porting other tw phones rom.

Android Go's basic requirement is 1G Ram.Stop daydreaming

nk950357 said:
Android Go's basic requirement is 1G Ram.Stop daydreaming
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Do you know how much ram does s5 have?

yazar rafi said:
Do you know how much ram does s5 have?
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I mean Android Go only support max 1G Ram

nk950357 said:
I mean Android Go only support max 1G Ram
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Minimum*

yazar rafi said:
Do you know how much ram does s5 have?
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2 GB only

Need help to maximize performance on samsung sm-t580?

I have a rooted sm-t580 tablet and I'd like to delete all the Google apps including Google play services, samsung services and apps.
Is there a tutorial to help me delete all unnecessary apps safely?
Also... How do I disable Knox?
Is MicroG compatible with the tablet?

I don't see the point. May as well ijust nstall a custom rom, there's plenty of them available.

ashyx said:
I don't see the point. May as well ijust nstall a custom rom, there's plenty of them available.
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Is there a particular rom you'd recommend?
The tablet uses an Exynos cpu and the Samsung skin feels a very slow and sluggish compared to my six year old Nexus 7 2013.

justindroid64 said:
Is there a particular rom you'd recommend?
The tablet uses an Exynos cpu and the Samsung skin feels a very slow and sluggish compared to my six year old Nexus 7 2013.
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I suggest just taking a look in the development section.
Might be worth going for a nougat or oreo rom as these will be more mature with less bugs.

ashyx said:
I suggest just taking a look in the development section.
Might be worth going for a nougat or oreo rom as these will be more mature with less bugs.
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Just my opinion, but the Pie ROMs appear faster and more "mature" to me. The DEVs have pretty much abandon earlier versions and are putting all their efforts into 64 bit Pie.
edit: And using the Pico gapps just about gets rid of all of the bloat.