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Pure Android on S4

Hi everyone,
I just switched from an iPhone 4 to an S4 and so far the experience has been great, however, I wanted to know if there's a way to run 'Pure Android' on it.
From what I THINK I know, Samsung's version of android has a bunch of pre-installed crap. Call me crazy but this bothers me, I just want a clean OS, and that's something I liked about iOS. I don't know if it has any other limitations, I haven't gotten that far into it yet, except from the home dock being locked.
Anyway, I'm a complete Android noob, but I can follow clear instructions.
Is it even possible to do what I'm after? Is there a clean, safe and fast way of doing it for somebody like me that doesn't know much about these things?
Also, I don't have access to a PC as I am a mac user.

mkaiin said:
Hi everyone,
I just switched from an iPhone 4 to an S4 and so far the experience has been great, however, I wanted to know if there's a way to run 'Pure Android' on it.
From what I THINK I know, Samsung's version of android has a bunch of pre-installed crap. Call me crazy but this bothers me, I just want a clean OS, and that's something I liked about iOS. I don't know if it has any other limitations, I haven't gotten that far into it yet, except from the home dock being locked.
Anyway, I'm a complete Android noob, but I can follow clear instructions.
Is it even possible to do what I'm after? Is there a clean, safe and fast way of doing it for somebody like me that doesn't know much about these things?
Also, I don't have access to a PC as I am a mac user.
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simply wait Galaxy S4 google edition is on the market...

Masami1975 said:
simply wait Galaxy S4 google edition is on the market...
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If you can't wait for the Galaxy S4 Google Edition , why don't you just buy LG Google Nexus 4 instead of Galaxy S4 before that ?
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mkaiin said:
Hi everyone,
I just switched from an iPhone 4 to an S4 and so far the experience has been great, however, I wanted to know if there's a way to run 'Pure Android' on it.
From what I THINK I know, Samsung's version of android has a bunch of pre-installed crap. Call me crazy but this bothers me, I just want a clean OS, and that's something I liked about iOS. I don't know if it has any other limitations, I haven't gotten that far into it yet, except from the home dock being locked.
Anyway, I'm a complete Android noob, but I can follow clear instructions.
Is it even possible to do what I'm after? Is there a clean, safe and fast way of doing it for somebody like me that doesn't know much about these things?
Also, I don't have access to a PC as I am a mac user.
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The S4 is still pretty new so development is still picking up, but AOSP roms are supposed to give you that pure android experience. Cyanogenmod (CM), AOKP and others add some great tweaks and settings for further customizations. You can check the Original Android Development for Cyanogenmod and AOKP, but I would suggest you wait a while as things are still being improved. They should get more stable soon and have clean and clear installation methods.
Android differs from iOS in that you get a lot of customization options. Different people have different choices and android can be adapted for anyone. Some like the pure android experience and go for either a Nexus phone, which is pure android, or install an AOSP rom on their non-nexus phone.
Some people like Samsung's Touchwiz while others do not. Other roms add even further customizations, etc. Welcome to android..!

Stock Android possible?

Been many a yore since I've been on Android consistently, been out-of-the-loop since the earliest days.
Just curious, is it technically possible to get a "Nexus-like" experience on a device like the Note 4 nowadays?
I'm attracted by all the sw/service benefits of a Nexus device, but I really love the hw of the Note 4*...
Is it possible to have "the best of both worlds" or close? I realise it's not an option so early in the device's life-cycle, but later perhaps?
Thank-you.
*Also considering the Note Edge (more research needed), but not 100% sold on it yet, unless someone can make a compelling case

jalyst said:
Been many a yore since I've been on Android consistently, been out-of-the-loop since the earliest days.
Just curious, is it technically possible to get a "Nexus-like" experience on a device like the Note 4 nowadays?
I'm attracted by all the sw/service benefits of a Nexus device, but I really love the hw of the Note 4*...
Is it possible to have "the best of both worlds" or close? I realise it's not an option so early in the device's life-cycle, but later perhaps?
Thank-you.
*Also considering the Note Edge (more research needed), but not 100% sold on it yet, unless someone can make a compelling case
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What you want is a rom based on AOSP (like cyanogenmod). It has the advantage of being nearly stock android with updates nearly as fast as google can push them out. It is much much quicker than carrier updates. Plus, AOSP is community/google supported so you can count on updates long after the carriers stop supporting your phone. This support is what allows kitkat to run on a galaxy s2 or a barnes and noble nook. lol.
So the catch to all this is you MUST have an unlocked bootloader. ATT and verizon are out because they have locked their bootloader.
On the note 3, people who had the tmobile note 3 (unlocked bootloader) had kitkat months and months before the ATT touchwiz kitkat was pushed by ATT.

But I'm not worried all that much about carriers not supporting my phone...
I usually buy unbranded/unlocked (i.e. outright: it makes more sense in my country -not USA), I imagine the same -or similar- applies to ODM/OEM's?

How far out are they (AOSP-based ROMS like CM) exactly from being stock Android?*
Are there many major differences, or only some minor ones, what are they exactly?
Thank-you/goodnight, bed time, 2am!
*i.e. what we have on Nexus devices

^Anyone? Thank-you!
P.S.
How do we delete posts, it says "EDIT/DELETE" but I can't find delete anywhere!?

jalyst said:
How far out are they (AOSP-based ROMS like CM) exactly from being stock Android?*
Are there many major differences, or only some minor ones, what are they exactly?
Thank-you/goodnight, bed time, 2am!
*i.e. what we have on Nexus devices
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It's as close as you can get, almost to the point of being the same. I honestly can't think of any major differences. My wife went from CM to a nexus 5 and she new exactly where everything was. My nexus 7 interface looks like my cm11 nook tablets.

Apart from the UX though, what are all the major (or minor) services/functionalities you lose?*
I mean mostly compared to stock Android that's found on the latest Nexus devices, but I guess also compared to Samsung's spin.
Also, you missed this post...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/stock-android-t2882646/post55566887
Finally, any idea how to delete posts?
Cheers mate!
*Given that mircury isn't sure on this point, can someone else please have a crack.

The main issues with going to AOSP are the inferior camera app and the lack of multiwindow support. With the big Volantis tablet coming out soon, Google may finally bake some multiwindow support into "L", and maybe devs can use the RAW access APIs to fix the camera, but I wouldn't expect miracles out of the box.
If you do want AOSP, you'll probably want to get a Qualcomm-based Note instead of an Exynos one - for various reasons a lot of the dev goes quicker on the Qualcomm platform. Not sure which will be the standard version in your country.

s44 said:
The main issues with going to AOSP are the inferior camera app and the lack of multiwindow support. With the big Volantis tablet coming out soon, Google may finally bake some multiwindow support into "L", and maybe devs can use the RAW access APIs to fix the camera, but I wouldn't expect miracles out of the box.
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That's literally it? That's nothing if that's all there is!?!
I'm used to hanging out mostly on quite esoteric/hack-ish platforms, so if that's all I have to deal with, "no biggy".
If you do want AOSP, you'll probably want to get a Qualcomm-based Note instead of an Exynos one - for various reasons a lot of the dev goes quicker on the Qualcomm platform. Not sure which will be the standard version in your country.
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Yeah I suspected that might be the case, I haven't checked that yet, I'm in Australasia/Oceania, Australia specifically.
I hope I've lucked out there, IIRC the international version (i.e. not local/telco-centric) usually is Qualcomm isn't it?
And this post???
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/stock-android-t2882646/post55566887
Also, anyone know how to delete posts?
Thank-you.

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TY/GN

No need to bump your post 3 times. I would suggest you go on youtube and watch some video reviews. You will find that it is very much nexus like with no features lost.

Pretty sure you'll lose any proprietary stuff. Like the heartrate sensor...etc...especially the special uses for the S-Pen.

SiNJiN76 said:
Pretty sure you'll lose any proprietary stuff. Like the heartrate sensor...etc...especially the special uses for the S-Pen.
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He's talking about the difference between stock android on a nexus device and aosp. The stock rom from Samsung is a totally different ballgame.

mircury said:
No need to bump your post 3 times.
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Bumped twice, both with healthy time gaps. Going to YT won’t get this addressed:
jalyst said:
But I'm not worried all that much about carriers not supporting my phone...
I usually buy unbranded/unlocked (i.e. outright: it makes more sense in my country -not USA), I imagine the same -or similar- applies to ODM/OEM's?
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Or this…
jalyst said:
How do we delete posts, it says "EDIT/DELETE" but I can't find delete anywhere!?
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jalyst said:
^Anyone? Thank-you!
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You forgot this one in your list.

Well, that was more than day earlier, but aside from that, able to address the 2 points above?
SiNJiN76 said:
Pretty sure you'll lose any proprietary stuff. Like the heartrate sensor...etc...especially the special uses for the S-Pen.
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Is that the only notable proprietary stuff that will go?
And is it unlikely that the AOSP community will eventually add support for such things?
mircury said:
He's talking about the difference between stock android on a nexus device and aosp. The stock rom from Samsung is a totally different ballgame.
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No I'm talking about all 3, i.e...
If I switch to AOSP (CM etc) what features will be missing* compared to: (1) stock on Nexus devices, & (2) stock Android for the Note 4.
Although I'm mostly interested in the former...
As I can easily work out the latter once (if) I have a Note 4, simply by using Samsung's flavour of Android for a while.
*& what bugs will I encounter

jalyst said:
Well, that was more than day earlier, but aside from that, able to address the 2 points above?
No I'm talking about all 3, i.e...
If I'm to switch to AOSP what features will I be missing* compared to stock on Nexus devices, & stock Android for the Note 4.
Although I'm mostly interested in the former...
As I can easily work out the latter once (if) I have a Note 4, simply by using Samsung's flavour of Android for a while.
*& what bugs will I encounter
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So we've basically established in previous posts that AOSP = Nexus features wise. No need to hash that out again.
Compared to Samsung's stock rom there is a TON of stuff and even more stuff when compared to Samsung's stock rom after each carrier has had it's way with it.
1. Multi windows
2. all the Spen features (Some spen features can be added back. See thread in note 3 forum.)
3. Tmobile wifi calling
4. Touchwiz
5. Different Notification pull down.
6. Different settings menus.
7. Carrier Bloatware
8. 4K recording not available in stock AOSP. Some have used Oneplus camera app. (Camera app not as good as Samsung's stock)
9. HDMI out not working.
10. NFC not working on some builds.
11. All the Samsung specific apps like milk music and SBeam.
12. Tethering limitations on the Carrier version stock (This is a big one)
I'll add more as I think of them...

mircury said:
So we've basically established in previous posts that AOSP = Nexus features wise. No need to hash that out again.
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But have we really? Not so sure about that. What's been put forward so far doesn't seem iron-clad conclusive.
Compared to Samsung's stock rom there is a TON of stuff, and even more stuff when compared to Samsung's stock rom after each carrier has had it's way with it.
1. Multi windows
2. all the Spen features
3. Tmobile wifi calling
4. Touchwiz
5. Different Notification pull down.
6. Different settings menus.
7. Carrier Bloatware
8. 4K recording not available (Camera app not as good as Samsung's stock)
9. HDMI out not working.
10. NFC not working on some builds.
11. All the Samsung specific apps like milk music and SBeam.
12. Tethering limitations on the Carrier version stock (This is a big one)
I'll add more as I think of them...
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Cheers buddy...
Don't care about what carriers may or may not add, I'll most likely be getting one that isn't carrier-based.
Even if I do get one from a carrier it won't be a US-based one, it'll most likely be from Telstra, & IME it never adds anything of value.

jalyst said:
But have we really? Not so sure about that. What's been put forward so far doesn't seem iron-clad conclusive.
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I thought we did. lol. I don't know how much clearer we can get. Google controls AOSP. It is stock android through and through. Go read up on what AOSP is and then read what CM is.

Need help to maximize performance on samsung sm-t580?

I have a rooted sm-t580 tablet and I'd like to delete all the Google apps including Google play services, samsung services and apps.
Is there a tutorial to help me delete all unnecessary apps safely?
Also... How do I disable Knox?
Is MicroG compatible with the tablet?

I don't see the point. May as well ijust nstall a custom rom, there's plenty of them available.

ashyx said:
I don't see the point. May as well ijust nstall a custom rom, there's plenty of them available.
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Is there a particular rom you'd recommend?
The tablet uses an Exynos cpu and the Samsung skin feels a very slow and sluggish compared to my six year old Nexus 7 2013.

justindroid64 said:
Is there a particular rom you'd recommend?
The tablet uses an Exynos cpu and the Samsung skin feels a very slow and sluggish compared to my six year old Nexus 7 2013.
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I suggest just taking a look in the development section.
Might be worth going for a nougat or oreo rom as these will be more mature with less bugs.

ashyx said:
I suggest just taking a look in the development section.
Might be worth going for a nougat or oreo rom as these will be more mature with less bugs.
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Just my opinion, but the Pie ROMs appear faster and more "mature" to me. The DEVs have pretty much abandon earlier versions and are putting all their efforts into 64 bit Pie.
edit: And using the Pico gapps just about gets rid of all of the bloat.

one ui 2.0

hi there, when we will get the one ui 2.0 custom rom for our Samsung S8 devices?

Maybe when you create it.

Not soon alteast, even I doubt that a custom ROM with OneUI 2.0 will exist lol, 2hard

panchovix said:
Not soon alteast, even I doubt that a custom ROM with OneUI 2.0 will exist lol, 2hard
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S7 has OneUI 1.0 with Pie ports so if it can be done there it shouldn't be impossible here. We only need someone that can do it.

Pawbrotm said:
S7 has OneUI 1.0 with Pie ports so if it can be done there it shouldn't be impossible here. We only need someone that can do it.
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That's because the Note 7 FE (same chip as the S7/S7E) was released with Android 7 and got updated until Pie, so they didn't have to port everything to the S7/S7E by scratch, they had a base already

The problems start when you want something you got no idea of programming. People don't work on demand, they do what the like to do because the can do. And they are helpful to those who can't do it when they share their result FOR FREE! Nothing more.

Droehnemeier said:
The problems start when you want something you got no idea of programming. People don't work on demand, they do what the like to do because the can do. And they are helpful to those who can't do it when they share their result FOR FREE! Nothing more.
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Exactly, that's why I say to not have any hope for OneUI 2.0, someone have to want to work in his/her free time, on something very difficult, and for free.
I'm already grateful with LineageOS 17.1, I though I wouldn't see even 10.0 on the S8/S8+ lol

Such a shame for Samsung even the cheapest Plastic Galaxy A series are getting Android 10 one ui 2.0 and the Samsung flagship device like Galaxy S8+ is not going to get it. Plz XDA developers make a custom rom for Galaxy S8+ based on Android 10 one ui 2.0

never samsung buy again. stuck only 2 updates so sayed.

panchovix said:
Exactly, that's why I say to not have any hope for OneUI 2.0, someone have to want to work in his/her free time, on something very difficult, and for free.
I'm already grateful with LineageOS 17.1, I though I wouldn't see even 10.0 on the S8/S8+ lol
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even Samsung S7 got one ui 2.0 custom rom

Forum link: https://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/development/rom-floydq-v1-0-t4085667

SM-T510

Hi all,
Does anyone know what roms are compatible with the Tab A 10.1 2019 version? I see a lot of roms for 2016 version but not for the 2019.
Running stock Nexus, and I don't have any complaints except that you hardly can customize it yourself. I have a bought icon pack but can't use it for example.
Greetings Rick

I've actually just flashed a number of ROM's for this baby in the last few weeks - there are plenty to play with.
I settled on this as I think it was the best overall:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...rom-nexus-stock-2019-galaxy-tab-10-1-t4056233
Have fun.

Thank you for the time to respond Where are you looking for when finding a Rom. Im on Nexus stock aosp based. But there are still some things I would like to see different. As I only use the tab for 1 game. Still chrashes, issues with keyboard. So I don't mind customizing it.
Greetings from Holland

Yeah it's a good tab, for its price. So I'm kinda buffels by the fact that there is hardly one on this forum.

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BoBoRicky said:
Thank you for the time to respond Where are you looking for when finding a Rom. Im on Nexus stock aosp based. But there are still some things I would like to see different. As I only use the tab for 1 game. Still chrashes, issues with keyboard. So I don't mind customizing it.
Greetings from Holland
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There are two other custom ROMs for the T510. LOS 17.1 and a Nexus version based on Android 9. I've been using the Nexus 10 one for months and have never had a crash or keyboard problem. Maybe it is the one game you play that has the problems.

4929york said:
[/COLOR]There are two other custom ROMs for the T510. LOS 17.1 and a Nexus version based on Android 9. I've been using the Nexus 10 one for months and have never had a crash or keyboard problem. Maybe it is the one game you play that has the problems.
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Always a posibility, still i seem to have a habbit of trying stuff out.

Don't know if I should post this under OP but it's in the same line of it. Like I said love to tinker around with software for 10 years ago or something I got a budget phone that in the end would not update Android anymore so that was the moment I came to the conclusion that my model then was a better version of the original. Kinda like in this case, tab a 2016 and 2019 will differ in chipset etc. But tab a is tab a. So I started to go head in and toke a dive into the Android world, met some interesting people including the legendary Mr Carvalho. But... Im not posting this because I like to write or want you to read a book so let's cut to the case, im reading up a bit with customizing etc. Starting where I left off, installing ADB drivers again MTK drivers C++ all that good stuff. But then I kept reading, and correct me if I'm wrong but did you guys crack the code? The sometimes impossible to port source code? Or am I getting that GSI wrong. The software from the OD will be used to power the custom Rom so finding and combining code is almost a thing of the past? I tried to flash one last night to see if it really was that easy. Managed to get the tablet into a recovery bootloop. Installed the Nexus Rom again now the Los version. So I guess I did something wrong I think to know what it whas but before I make a paperweight from it, I think it's better to ask first.
So GSI, restrictions? Things to look for. Is it possible on this device?
Device is Treble ready
Supports A/B Arm
So it should right?
Off topic. This is a question for the Nexus Rom. Why are some Samsung features disabled? Like screen recording. Used multiple now all end up recording 0 or no internal audio. Other Samsung features like the camera, mail service etc. Only thing I'm searching for is the screen recording function with internal sound. Anny way to enable it or an alternative?
Thanks in advance.

BoBoRicky said:
Don't know if I should post this under OP but it's in the same line of it. Like I said love to tinker around with software for 10 years ago or something I got a budget phone that in the end would not update Android anymore so that was the moment I came to the conclusion that my model then was a better version of the original. Kinda like in this case, tab a 2016 and 2019 will differ in chipset etc. But tab a is tab a. ...
Thanks in advance.
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Utter nonsense. The only thing "Tab A" tablets have in common is the name.

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Utter nonsense. The only thing "Tab A" tablets have in common is the name.
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I understand that.

wHEN TO PAY
So I would like to start by saying great job, I agree with house things where set in place in the long run, I would say lets wait on future runs, just because it was future runs that caused an issuee. Either way thqanks for the recommendations but this seems like it will be a judge appointed issue., i appreciate everything but+

I use the Nexus, Android 10, AOSP-based rom from Magedanz. I works great, I tried LOS 17.1 and LOS based Nexus as well, but settled on the AOSP based due to the lack of support of the 400GB microsd I have in my T510 from LOS and the LOS based Nexus rom not able to read my microsd. The AOSP rom read it just fine and was able to format it correctly.