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My wife recently upgraded her phone contract to get the new Galaxy S5, and for a relatively small cost extra, they threw in the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition LTE (SM-P605) which I quickly claimed for myself.
However, it was not long before I was reminded why I abandoned Samsung devices years ago in favour of the Nexus range. The first thing I did when I got home was check for a software update. Nothing at all. Very disappointing for two reasons.
1.) It was still running a 4.3 build from August 2013.
2.) There was no multi-user support; something I was relying on so that my wife and I could share the tablet. This was especially strange considering this feature is available in vanilla 4.3.
So after some searching, I was briefly excited to see that the Kitkat update for the 2014 Edition had landed mere days ago. I began scouring the Internet... Turns out, this update is only for the SM-P600!!! ARGH!
A bit more scouring... Verizon have the tablet on their network right? And they are LTE... And I read something about a Kitkat update for their device! Nooooope! That devices is the SM-P605V.
So here I sit, back in the Samsung camp, completely at the mercy of their erratic update-rollout schedules whilst all of their other tablets EXCEPT mine are enjoying the Kitkat goodness.
God only knows when or if I'll even see a 4.4 update on this device - I'm not holding my breath.
Edit: I'm starting to wonder where I could flash the SM-605V ROM on my device. Seems like the only difference is the LTE band support. I only use Wifi at the moment, so if the worst that can happen is that I lose mobile data, I'd be okay with that.
Yes, that is Samsung for you. It feels very annoying but the feeling is soon forgotten after the update is finally released (at least that's the way it went with the old Note). I am also eagerly waiting for Kitkat for my SM-P605..
As it is now, there really is no alternative for Note 2014 edition if you want an Android tablet with high end specs and also want to draw with the tablet. If Google released a 10 inch Nexus tablet with Wacom pen I would probably buy that instead.
StNickZA said:
My wife recently upgraded her phone contract to get the new Galaxy S5, and for a relatively small cost extra, they threw in the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition LTE (SM-P605) which I quickly claimed for myself.
However, it was not long before I was reminded why I abandoned Samsung devices years ago in favour of the Nexus range. The first thing I did when I got home was check for a software update. Nothing at all. Very disappointing for two reasons.
1.) It was still running a 4.3 build from August 2013.
2.) There was no multi-user support; something I was relying on so that my wife and I could share the tablet. This was especially strange considering this feature is available in vanilla 4.3.
So after some searching, I was briefly excited to see that the Kitkat update for the 2014 Edition had landed mere days ago. I began scouring the Internet... Turns out, this update is only for the SM-P600!!! ARGH!
A bit more scouring... Verizon have the tablet on their network right? And they are LTE... And I read something about a Kitkat update for their device! Nooooope! That devices is the SM-P605V.
So here I sit, back in the Samsung camp, completely at the mercy of their erratic update-rollout schedules whilst all of their other tablets EXCEPT mine are enjoying the Kitkat goodness.
God only knows when or if I'll even see a 4.4 update on this device - I'm not holding my breath.
Edit: I'm starting to wonder where I could flash the SM-605V ROM on my device. Seems like the only difference is the LTE band support. I only use Wifi at the moment, so if the worst that can happen is that I lose mobile data, I'd be okay with that.
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Wait..... so your wife upgraded her phone - and they gave you a Note 10.1 2014 LTE for a small cost.... and now you are having a whinge?
Perhaps you could have gone out and bought a 4.4 loaded KitKat tablet instead?
Yes, you will see KK on the device, in the not too distant future.. Its been released on the Verizon version, so the rest of us are not too far behind. And no, as I understand it, the 605v version rom will not boot on the standard 605 device.
If you needed KK for multi-user, perhaps you should have bought a Nexus 7?
In actual fact, the most recent versions of p605 roms (stock) are from November 2013. What build number is the device reporting?
cdinoz said:
Wait..... so your wife upgraded her phone - and they gave you a Note 10.1 2014 LTE for a small cost.... and now you are having a whinge?
Perhaps you could have gone out and bought a 4.4 loaded KitKat tablet instead?
Yes, you will see KK on the device, in the not too distant future.. Its been released on the Verizon version, so the rest of us are not too far behind. And no, as I understand it, the 605v version rom will not boot on the standard 605 device.
If you needed KK for multi-user, perhaps you should have bought a Nexus 7?
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Thanks for the reply.
The reason I didn't "go out and buy a 4.4 tablet" is because I wasn't actually in the market for a tablet at all, least of all a 7 incher. When we walked into the store, I had no idea I'd be walking out with a tablet; it was an impulse purchase. By getting it alongside my wife's new phone, the tablet basically cost about half of what it would have if I'd bought it cash, so it was a bit of a no-brainer. I made the mistake of ASSUMING that a premium tablet with such impressive hardware specs would have already been updated to Kitkat, and at the very least, include multi-user support. This is the crux of my argument really; when you have been using something like a Nexus for so long, you forget how things lag behind in the world of Samsung.
But lets just put things into perspective for a second... Yes, I am upset that there's no Kitkat ROM yet for this device, when other models (of the SAME device) already have it. It is frustrating. Does that mean I am about to throw it in the bin? Of course not. There's nothing wrong with "having a whinge" about Samsung's policies. I'm certainly not the first to do so. It doesn't mean I think that the tablet is junk, or that I regret buying it. On the contrary, I'm still very impressed and happy with the purchase, and I'm hopeful that Samsung will bring out the Kitkat update sooner rather than later, but the lack of reliable information or time-frames is certainly annoying.
And thank you for the heads-up re. the SM-605V ROM; probably best to scratch that idea.
So you buy your devices solely to update them? I've been using the N10.1-14 since October when it came out and have been quite happy with it. 4.4 introduces some improvements I'm looking forward to but it's not like they're required to make the N10.1-14 work. The only thing in your post that seems like a real requirement for you is multi user. So either put it on a shelf and wait for 4.4 or use it yourself until the update comes. I'm not defending Samsung's update process; it's cumbersome and slow. But it's not like their products are unusable or cow dung simply because updates bring a smattering of new features. And updates to Android aren't always beneficial. Google totally borked external SD card access in 4.4 to the point people are staying on or reverting to 4.3.
You bought a device you had no prior intention of doing so on a whim at a reduced price and are upset because the latest updates are not currently available to you...? 1st world problems are terrible ain't they...
You bought it as it is, it works 100% as intended. You have no legal right and should have no expectations to any sort of updates - stop whinging and worry about real issues in the world instead.
@kempas well said sir. Honestly what is up with people it's just an update it makes it look better and makes it faster and blah blah it doesnt exactly change it into a flying machine.
Sent from Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition via Tapatalk.
As I said, I don't want the KitKat update to "make it look pretty or go faster". I want multi-user accounts which is core functionality that was introduced in Android 4.2. It is not unreasonable to expect that it is available in a premium tablet running Android 4.3.
I'm pretty surprised by the direction this thread took...
It seemed to be a pretty reasonable post with concerns and questions about the ROM, posted here in a ROM community, and the response has pretty much been "Shut up and stop whinging"
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1st world problems are terrible ain't they...
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[MENTION=1141807]blah it doesnt exactly change it into a flying machine.
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Made me laugh.
wayned182 said:
I'm pretty surprised by the direction this thread took...
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I'm not. 4.4 started rolling out 10 days ago. The SM-P600 owners in Colombia, the U.S., and Canada that won the "got it first" lottery are ecstatic. Everyone else is pissed, envious, and impatient. Posting their dissatisfaction here isn't going to get them their update any faster and no one here can help them. Logically, Samsung would roll out a few regions and watch the feedback to make sure there wasn't anything they missed in testing that needed correction before the global roll out began in earnest. From past experience, it can take two months for the majority of Samsung devices to receive an update once it begins rolling out. Does that mean we need to endure two months of "where's my update?" and "Samsung sucks!" threads from the unfortunate at the latter end of the roll out?
This really has nothing to do with Samsung. The updates for LTE models are usually sent to their providers before the wifi only updates are pushed [hence the reason Verizon already has it]. It's up to your LTE provider to issue the update.
Same with Nexus. A Nexus device purchased directly from Google will get an update before one purchased from Sprint or T-Mobile.
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This really has nothing to do with Samsung. The updates for LTE models are usually sent to their providers before the wifi only updates are pushed [hence the reason Verizon already has it]. It's up to your LTE provider to issue the update.
Same with Nexus. A Nexus device purchased directly from Google will get an update before one purchased from Sprint or T-Mobile.
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AFAIK in Spain all P605 are unlocked, no LTE provider sell them.
Enviado desde mi SM-P605 mediante Tapatalk
I don't know why people are getting on the ops back about it. He's absolutely right. Yeah the device still works but it is annoying that you see Ipads and Nexus devices getting timely updates. The most annoying thing about it all is that I can say as a long time Samsung customer that yes its because of the number of devices but mostly it's because they don't care as much about their customers once they've paid for a device.
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I don't know why people are getting on the ops back about it. He's absolutely right. Yeah the device still works but it is annoying that you see Ipads and Nexus devices getting timely updates. The most annoying thing about it all is that I can say as a long time Samsung customer that yes its because of the number of devices but mostly it's because they don't care as much about their customers once they've paid for a device.
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You kind of hit the nail on the head. People for whom updates are a critical feature shouldn't buy Samsung products. The sheer scale of the number of devices they offer, types of devices (Wi-Fi, 3G, 4G), and overly complex system of different s/w by region makes them notoriously slow at updates. Knowing that I buy their products anyway because I like the quantity and quality of their unique features; most of which aren't available elsewhere. Am I happy about it? No. Did I expect it? Yes. Do I think *****ing about it is going to help? No. Want fast updates? Buy a Nexus or GPe device. It's that simple.
For the life of me I don't understand people that realize that they made a poor personal choice and then want to tell the world how bad of a decision they made. Is this just a way to get sympathy? I see it as a way to publicize poor decision making skills.
StNickZA said:
My wife recently upgraded her phone contract to get the new Galaxy S5, and for a relatively small cost extra, they threw in the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition LTE (SM-P605) which I quickly claimed for myself.
However, it was not long before I was reminded why I abandoned Samsung devices years ago in favour of the Nexus range. The first thing I did when I got home was check for a software update. Nothing at all. Very disappointing for two reasons.
1.) It was still running a 4.3 build from August 2013.
2.) There was no multi-user support; something I was relying on so that my wife and I could share the tablet. This was especially strange considering this feature is available in vanilla 4.3.
So after some searching, I was briefly excited to see that the Kitkat update for the 2014 Edition had landed mere days ago. I began scouring the Internet... Turns out, this update is only for the SM-P600!!! ARGH!
A bit more scouring... Verizon have the tablet on their network right? And they are LTE... And I read something about a Kitkat update for their device! Nooooope! That devices is the SM-P605V.
So here I sit, back in the Samsung camp, completely at the mercy of their erratic update-rollout schedules whilst all of their other tablets EXCEPT mine are enjoying the Kitkat goodness.
God only knows when or if I'll even see a 4.4 update on this device - I'm not holding my breath.
Edit: I'm starting to wonder where I could flash the SM-605V ROM on my device. Seems like the only difference is the LTE band support. I only use Wifi at the moment, so if the worst that can happen is that I lose mobile data, I'd be okay with that.
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I am not sure if this will help you, op. Please do not flame me if it doesn't, but I came across and thought it would be useful...if you have rooted your device:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52430137
Never mind, didn't realize you were author of this post too-my bad, sorry
TabGuy said:
For the life of me I don't understand people that realize that they made a poor personal choice and then want to tell the world how bad of a decision they made. Is this just a way to get sympathy? I see it as a way to publicize poor decision making skills.
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Bwah! I've successfully managed to avoid replying to the majority of these idiotic comments, but this is probably the most hilarious case of the pot calling the kettle black that I've ever seen and I just could not resist.
The very first post of yours that I find is one in which you are bemoaning a bad decision you made. Even the title itself describes your regret over the decision.
Behold : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2729705
Seriously, thank you. :laugh:
StNickZA said:
Bwah! I've successfully managed to avoid replying to the majority of these idiotic comments, but this is probably the most hilarious case of the pot calling the kettle black that I've ever seen and I just could not resist.
The very first post of yours that I find is one in which you are bemoaning a bad decision you made. Even the title itself describes your regret over the decision.
Behold : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2729705
Seriously, thank you. :laugh:
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On that subject, what did you hope starting this thread would accomplish? And what's the value you see to the XDA community we're all part of?
StNickZA said:
Bwah! I've successfully managed to avoid replying to the majority of these idiotic comments, but this is probably the most hilarious case of the pot calling the kettle black that I've ever seen and I just could not resist.
The very first post of yours that I find is one in which you are bemoaning a bad decision you made. Even the title itself describes your regret over the decision.
Behold : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2729705
Seriously, thank you. :laugh:
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Touche'
Stop whining and go buy a 10 Nexus tablet with LTE then.
Go ahead.
I'll wait here.
http://www.alcatel-mobile.com/global-en/products/detail/X1#.V1iBp_krLIU
New alcatel phone looks marvelous !
xotz said:
http://www.alcatel-mobile.com/global-en/products/detail/X1#.V1iBp_krLIU
New alcatel phone looks marvelous !
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Alcatel can keep producing good looking phones all they want. They pretty much screwed over their userbase from the Idol 3. I know most people despise Alcatel now from the horrible customer support and lack of frequent updates. Not to mention their false advertising of supporting T-Mobile and their VoLTE support. Along with the removal of Band 12 since they're obviously too selfish to pay for the certification for it. Also, the phone is running 5.0 still. Good luck with that.
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Alcatel can keep producing good looking phones all they want. They pretty much screwed over their userbase from the Idol 3. I know most people despise Alcatel now from the horrible customer support and lack of frequent updates. Not to mention their false advertising of supporting T-Mobile and their VoLTE support. Along with the removal of Band 12 since they're obviously too selfish to pay for the certification for it. Also, the phone is running 5.0 still. Good luck with that.
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the UPDATE HAPPEN TODAY , some versions already have 6.0.1 !! Finally
xotz said:
the UPDATE HAPPEN TODAY , some versions already have 6.0.1 !! Finally
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I'm aware. But I'm talking about the X1 that you posted.
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I'm aware. But I'm talking about the X1 that you posted.
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i think its a beauty , but of course , the device and the company need improvements.
brian117 said:
I'm aware. But I'm talking about the X1 that you posted.
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I don't understand peoples frustration about update. My Idol 3 received 8 updates and was always one of the first to receive the security update, additionally a year has past and I just received an update to Marshmallow with the latest UI. I'm very happy considering I paid only $180 for this phone. Customer service is also very good.
HughJanus said:
I don't understand peoples frustration about update. My Idol 3 received 8 updates and was always one of the first to receive the security update, additionally a year has past and I just received an update to Marshmallow with the latest UI. I'm very happy considering I paid only $180 for this phone. Customer service is also very good.
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I think the biggest issue, other than the ubiquitous whiners and those who expect someone else to do all of the research, testing, etc, are those who have carrier versions rather than the global factory unlocked phone Yes , I know that on paper the specs are the same, but firmware allows or restricts or tweaks the access and/or function of the hardware. I originally had the Cricket 60450 version that got stolen(blessing in disguise) and replaced it with the global unlocked version from Amazon....totally different phone. I ended up returning 2 to Amazon for various reasons. and all 3 of them had slight differences. This is not unusual at all. I had T-Mobile note 4's, and had differences in the 3 I used...same model, except for the last which was the A variant. My biggest complaint with the Idol was the horrible memory management. It stayed in the 70+ % used and would get near 90% on a regular basis even with cleaning several times a day. I just got the 6.0.1 update at around 1 P.M. Central(US), and so far memory usage has gotten 64% at the highest, and seems to run between 55 and 61. I can't see a valid complaint on this phone other than if you have hardware failure, considering what you get for less than $200, and I have had a LOT of flagship phones and definitely don't see any of them worth an extra $350-400. I have my Idol on Cricket's cheapest plan for the ATT coverage and as my entertainment device, and the LG G Stylo on T-Mobile as my business/daily. If only someone could blend these two phones I would have my dream, lol. My only real complaints now on the Idol are a non-removable battery, and a somewhat thin screen.
HughJanus said:
I don't understand peoples frustration about update. My Idol 3 received 8 updates and was always one of the first to receive the security update, additionally a year has past and I just received an update to Marshmallow with the latest UI. I'm very happy considering I paid only $180 for this phone. Customer service is also very good.
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All really minor updates fixing stuff that should have worked from the start (like double tap to wake).
Being stuck at 5.0.2 for more than a year wasn't nice.
bryanbreguet said:
All really minor updates fixing stuff that should have worked from the start (like double tap to wake).
Being stuck at 5.0.2 for more than a year wasn't nice.
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Agreed. It would've been a good gesture of the company to at least give us 5.1, but they didn't and that really crapped on the phone and users themselves since apps are getting more advanced and instructions are leaving the phone behind. The tech inside the phone isn't bad, but when proper firmware and os aren't placed on the phone you can't fully use that tech. It's like putting a GTX 980 Ti inside a computer using a dual core and 32bit windows. Doesn't work so well. I hope that they learned from this 1 year disaster and with the Idol 4/4s they don't do the same crap over and over again or they'd might as well change their name to ZTE. They NEVER update their phones in a timely fashion if at all 95% of the time. Since they have released MM I'm going to continue to use the phone now that it's not bottlenecked by old os and firmware. I hope that development for the phone in the form of roms and tweaks starts up and maybe we get official support from CM.
HughJanus said:
I don't understand peoples frustration about update. My Idol 3 received 8 updates and was always one of the first to receive the security update, additionally a year has past and I just received an update to Marshmallow with the latest UI. I'm very happy considering I paid only $180 for this phone. Customer service is also very good.
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I just reached my one-year anniversary with the Idol 3 and I agree with you 100%.
It is good to have Marshmallow on the phone but it hasn't really changed my user experience drastically. The things that made the phone amazing have not changed (loud speakers, sleek design, best bang for buck since Nexus 4,etc)
Having received Marshmallow reinforced my belief that Alcatel supports its phones. I won't be buying a new phone anytime soon but it is good to know that there are options on the horizon.
I understand there is a trial and error, and one can always use the US996 boot for the rom and see if it loads the H918 rom.
But is there anyone who can confirm this works? I am trying to trudge through threads and it's far and few with a definitive answer.
Please, any information is appreciated.
As I am stuck deciding between H918 and the US996 model LG v20 to purchase.
The h918 and us996 are closely related. Even tho it seems the h918 is getting a lot of attention dev wise, they mostly focus on that device first then add other variants of the v20 to it. So I'd say if you have no patience you can go with the h918 if your willing to wait you can get the us996. But it's always good to have an unlocked device, hope you don't take this wrong.
OneDon said:
The h918 and us996 are closely related. Even tho it seems the h918 is getting a lot of attention dev wise, they mostly focus on that device first then add other variants of the v20 to it. So I'd say if you have no patience you can go with the h918 if your willing to wait you can get the us996. But it's always good to have an unlocked device, hope you don't take this wrong.
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I wanted to say thank you for you reply.
These are my sentiments actually.
I understand T-mobile version is the most beloved when it came to the v10 (as that was the most easily rooted one).
And it continued here, albeit LG posted their own bootload unlocked for the v20 on their website.
I see there is some dev support for the US996. But it's falling behind the h918.
And of course factory unlocking is the way to go. I'm just thinking of longevity of the phone. 2+ years down the road.. Which will have the most dev support?
I don't upgrade every year. I think it's ridiculous.
And I understand v20 is in its infancy.. But which wins long term? H918 or US996?
Because the h918 is getting all the love in the beginning.
Will there be a point where the tides turn and some more seasoned developers focus on the US996 and the h918 falls behind?
I understand it's silly to speculate so early. But these are my questions before I hop onto this v20 train. I want it so bad. Lol.
You're asking us to predict the future. Logic says most people have carrier models because not everybody wants to put up $600-$800 upfront for a phone. Either one you choose now guarantees root. Up to you. There are some slight differences like 918 having FM radio. Which features are more important?
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You're asking us to predict the future. Logic says most people have carrier models because not everybody wants to put up $600-$800 upfront for a phone. Either one you choose now guarantees root. Up to you. There are some slight differences like 918 having FM radio. Which features are more important?
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Genuinely. I never thought about that. Up front for the phone. That's very true. That's probably why t-mobile has taken off.
Maybe a pros and cons of each device?
I understand the US996 is more capable with networks.
And the h918 has fM radio.
Besides that. There really is no difference?
It all comes down to EOL after the phones. I think tmobile is a safe bet. We have resurrection remix rom already for that variant... Which I run on my galaxy s3.
So longevity is important to me.
I bought the note 4 910H. Boy was I wrong. Barely any roms. And the snap dragon version has resurrection remix among other 7.1.1 roms going for it.
Interesting topic. I'm not concerned about if the 996 development'catches up' to the 918. The question to me is still there be enough.
I too am a longer term user. I'm on the T-Mobile version of the Note 4 so I could have root. I'm generally not enthused about putting ROMs on, as I find there are virtually always issues of some kind.
That being said, it was getting slow enough that I finally started putting ROMs on it, and finally landed on Maximum Overdrive's ROM. It is a great ROM, and has allowed me to extend life of the phone...in fact I'm still on it. I see he is doing a ROM for the 918, and had indicated he will not be developing for the 996 because he does not have one.
I'm interested in the 996 mainly because it will work on both AT&T and Verizon. Data is so bad where I live that I'm considering changing carriers. If not for that I'd get either a Oneplus 3T, or a Mate 9. I'm getting tired of paying $800 for phones.
Would be good to hear that ROMs are interchangeable.
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Interesting topic. I'm not concerned about if the 996 development'catches up' to the 918. The question to me is still there be enough.
I too am a longer term user. I'm on the T-Mobile version of the Note 4 so I could have root. I'm generally not enthused about putting ROMs on, as I find there are virtually always issues of some kind.
That being said, it was getting slow enough that I finally started putting ROMs on it, and finally landed on Maximum Overdrive's ROM. It is a great ROM, and has allowed me to extend life of the phone...in fact I'm still on it. I see he is doing a ROM for the 918, and had indicated he will not be developing for the 996 because he does not have one.
I'm interested in the 996 mainly because it will work on both AT&T and Verizon. Data is so bad where I live that I'm considering changing carriers. If not for that I'd get either a Oneplus 3T, or a Mate 9. I'm getting tired of paying $800 for phones.
Would be good to hear that ROMs are interchangeable.
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This is excellent. I encourage all discussion. I'm sure I'm not the only one experiencing this dilemma.
In all honesty, I'd probably stick with my note 4 until it borked.. But there's no support for my model, really. Very little. And it's stuck on 6.0 marshmallow. Lame.
A lot of note 4 users seem to find their way over to the LG V20 side. It's almost like the bigger brother in a way.
If I knew what I know now. I'd have bought the tmobile model too, or close to it. For the support it has.
Also, I believe the maximum overdrive is already out for the v20?
Are you planning on moving to the v20?
I spent 800 for this note 4.. Not including the square trade warranty.
Its just nice to be on the phone that can last with developer support.
If lg keeps it up. I'm sure the v30 and v40 will be outstanding.
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This is excellent. I encourage all discussion. I'm sure I'm not the only one experiencing this dilemma.
In all honesty, I'd probably stick with my note 4 until it borked.. But there's no support for my model, really. Very little. And it's stuck on 6.0 marshmallow. Lame.
A lot of note 4 users seem to find their way over to the LG V20 side. It's almost like the bigger brother in a way.
If I knew what I know now. I'd have bought the tmobile model too, or close to it. For the support it has.
Also, I believe the maximum overdrive is already out for the v20?
Are you planning on moving to the v20?
I spent 800 for this note 4.. Not including the square trade warranty.
Its just nice to be on the phone that can last with developer support.
If lg keeps it up. I'm sure the v30 and v40 will be outstanding.
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As I noted in the post, Max OD is writing for the 918 only. So, even if I went to a V20, I couldn't use the OD ROM...unless it is determined that 918s will run on 996...but everybody says "Don't do that".
But in fact, I have finally decided to NOT go with the V20. I keep reading about folks having the lens on the camera break, and some are emphatic that they did not hit it or do anything to cause it. LG is NOT warranting them for that issue.
I've seen it often enough that whether it is caused by a bump or automatic explosion it's often enough to turn me off of the phone.
So, I guess I'll be hanging on to the Note 4. BTW...I originally had a AT&T model, but it got so horrible with lags and stuff, I sold it and got the T-Mobile version, and it has paid off.
I have given strong thougth to all the latest 'hot' phones: Oneplus 3T, Xaiomi, Asus Zenphone 3, ZTE Axon 7 and a couple others. All have their short comings, either poor picture, not available in intl that would cover both Verizon and AT&T, poor GPS, poor community support, or in the case of the V20...exploding camera lens.
So, my Note 4 will have to hang on a little longer. Interestingly, it is working good enough that I question why I want to get another phone...especially when they are $800.
Eventually I'll have to give up on some of my 'must have' items on the list...and probably have to pay too much money.
Lens break? Do you know how small a sample that is? And have you seen some of the pictures? It was obviously impact. Some people are in denial. Always some thread about something. What phone hasn't a bad battery life thread?
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Lens break? Do you know how small a sample that is? And have you seen some of the pictures? It was obviously impact. Some people are in denial. Always some thread about something. What phone hasn't a bad battery life thread?
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I'm sure it is a small percentage. And I'm sure a small percentage of folks that have that happen even know about this forum to come and complain.
I'm a sprint user and I'm torn between getting this and the HTC U11.
I'm concerned about the openness of the device and how supportive it is to a proprietary carrier like Sprint. I've read around but it's month old information so I just wanna make sure:
Is it true that due to the phone's poor sales, there are very little developers?
Being a sprint user, do I have to worry about my own firmware/OS/ROMs/whatever, or can I just flash something like Lineage or Slim and be completely fine across all variants?
As well, is the signal/gps/etc safe if I do a complete OS change like stock to Lineage?
There's a lot of information about stock firmware and open bootloader, there's articles saying that they're currently public but around here I see that they "have yet to be released". Does the lack of awareness have to do with lack of devs or am I missing something?
Sorry if it's questions asked a ton of times but I just want to make sure I have up to date information before I commit to anything, I'm unfortunately a little paranoid. I love the open source community, so I wanna make sure I can utilize it with a pure android experience in even a locked down carrier like sprint. Thanks for the help.
Fivavoa said:
I'm a sprint user and I'm torn between getting this and the HTC U11.
I'm concerned about the openness of the device and how supportive it is to a proprietary carrier like Sprint. I've read around but it's month old information so I just wanna make sure:
Is it true that due to the phone's poor sales, there are very little developers?
Being a sprint user, do I have to worry about my own firmware/OS/ROMs/whatever, or can I just flash something like Lineage or Slim and be completely fine across all variants?
As well, is the signal/gps/etc safe if I do a complete OS change like stock to Lineage?
There's a lot of information about stock firmware and open bootloader, there's articles saying that they're currently public but around here I see that they "have yet to be released". Does the lack of awareness have to do with lack of devs or am I missing something?
Sorry if it's questions asked a ton of times but I just want to make sure I have up to date information before I commit to anything, I'm unfortunately a little paranoid. I love the open source community, so I wanna make sure I can utilize it with a pure android experience in even a locked down carrier like sprint. Thanks for the help.
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You're a little late to the party. You just missed an awesome deal on the phone through Sprint. Today they changed the deal, however if you intend to remain a Sprint customer for the next 18 months, the deal can still be good for you.
Since nobody else has replied so far, and I've been living on XDA ever since I ordered my first Essential, I'll try to answer your questions (plus I don't have anything else to do right now).
"Supportive to a proprietary carrier like Sprint"? Not sure exactly what you mean, it works well on Sprint but it's not a Sprint-only device if/once it's unlocked.
I believe the lack of development is due to the phone being a new phone from an entirely new company combined with a relatively small following at this time. Plus the marketing isn't very good. I've been looking for a phone exactly like this for months and I hadn't heard about until a week ago when I was doing a Google search for new and interesting phones for the 15th time. Also, invisiblek is currently working on Lineage for the phone, and I hear he's really good at what he does.
Why would you have to worry about your own firmware/OS/ROM? My phone, on Sprint, already got two OTA updates. I hear the unlocked ones get updates faster. Once ROMs are available, they should work on Sprint and non-Sprint phones just the same. From what I've read, the hardware is all the same.
Signal/GPS/etc will depend on how good the ROM is, just like any other phone.
Also not sure what you mean about the experience you'll have with a locked down carrier like Sprint. My phone (from Sprint) has stock android with zero bloatware. Well, I take that back, it automatically downloaded one Sprint app when I got home, but I immediately deleted it and it let me. Sprint phones have an unlockable bootloader just like non-Sprint phones. I wouldn't have gotten a Sprint version otherwise. I don't see how anything from Sprint will stop you (and me) from having the same experience I've had on my Moto X2 Pure Edition, which was notorious for having a 99% stock Android experience and an unlockable bootloader out of the box. If anything, the Essential has an even more pure Android experience because my Moto had it's special Moto Actions and the apps that went with them. Though I REALLY wish the Essential had the Moto Actions... I'd be in heaven then.
Maybe I'm looking at it differently because every phone I've ever had has been open and unlocked for development and I don't know what it's like to not be able to root or flash a custom recovery and a new ROM. But If that's what you're worried about, dive in.
Thanks for responding, I'll try to elaborate further:
DrvLikHell said:
"Supportive to a proprietary carrier like Sprint"? Not sure exactly what you mean, it works well on Sprint but it's not a Sprint-only device if/once it's unlocked.
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I have a family member who was with sprint for longer than I was, and when I went to look into the development of his phone, they usually separated development of every other phone and sprint's phone. Where the non-sprint alternative got a lot of development, the sprint version stayed pretty inactive. I'm just verifying that it's not the same with the Essential.
DrvLikHell said:
Why would you have to worry about your own firmware/OS/ROM? My phone, on Sprint, already got two OTA updates. I hear the unlocked ones get updates faster. Once ROMs are available, they should work on Sprint and non-Sprint phones just the same. From what I've read, the hardware is all the same.
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Yes that's one aspect I was rather confused about, from the reason stated above and other examples I've ran into the past, some carriers lock down their devices and I didn't know if Sprint was the same. It's good to know if I "unlock" the device then I get similar treatment despite being on Sprint. I don't wanna feel left out because I chose a carrier that holds me back y'know?
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Also not sure what you mean about the experience you'll have with a locked down carrier like Sprint. My phone (from Sprint) has stock android with zero bloatware. Well, I take that back, it automatically downloaded one Sprint app when I got home, but I immediately deleted it and it let me. Sprint phones have an unlockable bootloader just like non-Sprint phones. I wouldn't have gotten a Sprint version otherwise.
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I hope I'm not starting to sound redundant but again, but I had a few bad experiences with other carriers who lock down their devices for everything even though it's rather open otherwise. I'm just making sure haha
Thanks for the info.
This phone is what most developers have been pushing for... good hardware, a progressive company and an unlocked bootloader! I would hope that the developers jump on this phone. If not we may never have the opportunity again. IMHO
Fivavoa said:
Thanks for responding, I'll try to elaborate further:
I have a family member who was with sprint for longer than I was, and when I went to look into the development of his phone, they usually separated development of every other phone and sprint's phone. Where the non-sprint alternative got a lot of development, the sprint version stayed pretty inactive. I'm just verifying that it's not the same with the Essential.
Yes that's one aspect I was rather confused about, from the reason stated above and other examples I've ran into the past, some carriers lock down their devices and I didn't know if Sprint was the same. It's good to know if I "unlock" the device then I get similar treatment despite being on Sprint. I don't wanna feel left out because I chose a carrier that holds me back y'know?
I hope I'm not starting to sound redundant but again, but I had a few bad experiences with other carriers who lock down their devices for everything even though it's rather open otherwise. I'm just making sure haha
Thanks for the info.
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Ok, I get where you're coming from now. Like when I was into the Samsung Galaxy S3. Each phone from ATT, TMO, VZW and Sprint had different configurations, different roms and different bootloaders. The VZW S3 bootloader is still not unlockable and is stuck at Android 4.4.2, while the TMO S3 has Android 7.1 via Lineage available for it.
In that respect, the Sprint version of the Essential will have the same developer support that the unlocked version will have. All the bootloaders are the same and are equally unlockable because all the phones are the same. If I remember right, there are a couple labels somewhere in the phone that differ, but that's all. There is just one phone to rule them all, and this is it.
Hey
So all the sudden my N6P (that was already with a fix to bootloop of death and had faulty battery in place) died. It doesn`t show any charging indication or power at all. I`m thinking is the end of the line for it, but need to ask, anyone have a suggestion to try bring it back to live?
Thanks
lu4414 said:
Hey
So all the sudden my N6P (that was already with a fix to bootloop of death and had faulty battery in place) died. It doesn`t show any charging indication or power at all. I`m thinking is the end of the line for it, but need to ask, anyone have a suggestion to try bring it back to live?
Thanks
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Nope, and at this point it probably isn't worth your time. While there still have been security updates, Google's commitment to provide any updates ended before Christmas, so I suspect we're pretty close to EOL on this. I just went back to my 6p after an unfortunate 8 months with an Xperia ZX Premium, so now I'm hoping I can suck a few months out of it while I ponder my next device.
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Nope, and at this point it probably isn't worth your time. While there still have been security updates, Google's commitment to provide any updates ended before Christmas, so I suspect we're pretty close to EOL on this. I just went back to my 6p after an unfortunate 8 months with an Xperia ZX Premium, so now I'm hoping I can suck a few months out of it while I ponder my next device.
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That really sucks. I never gonna go buy Google Hardware again, it's not the first time they let old users down (multiple new launchers and minor tweaks never came down to Nexus or older Pixel) even with the promised of latest software always. Then N6P was QC screwed everywhere.
Going to a OnePlus now and being very sad of having a $500 paper weight on the drawer
Thanks for the answer and best of luck with your new device
lu4414 said:
That really sucks. I never gonna go buy Google Hardware again, it's not the first time they let old users down (multiple new launchers and minor tweaks never came down to Nexus or older Pixel) even with the promised of latest software always. Then N6P was QC screwed everywhere. Going to a OnePlus now and being very sad of having a $500 paper weight on the drawer
Thanks for the answer and best of luck with your new device
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Well, to be fair, the biggest issue with the 6p device was the battery failures and early on, Google was swapping devices, but the service sucked in getting Huawei to do anything after that. However, yes, the software lifecycle on older Nexus devices is weak. I suspect the main reason is that Google has moved to a 'more' closed ecosystem with the Pixel line. Nexus devices were always supposed to be more open, easy to hack and reasonably priced. The Pixel strategy is to more directly compete with the Apple iPhone model. Premium everything. Whether they'll support those longer? Who knows.
And, my new device is already toast but thanks. I'd buy a Pixel way before I'd buy another Sony Xperia. They allow unlocked bootloaders and claim to support development, but the minute you unlock the BL it renders the camera unusable. Devs did develop a patch, but there was virtually no development for the device. I've already had 6 hardware feature failures in 8 months of use and I bought it as an unlocked int'l version that would have to be shipped overseas. I doubt they'd do anything because it's been rooted and flashed, so I'm just leaving.
I'm back to the 6p for a while. So far they are still providing security updates, but since no Nexus devices are part of the Android P developer preview, you can bet there will be no Android 9 for it, so I suspect that's when the security updates will stop too.
Hi,
Do you have tried remove de back case and after that the battery?