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Just seen the news on Xperia Blog.
The Xperia Tablet Z could see KitKat in May 2014!
Yeah, right after the Tablet Z2 hits the shelves, so those who can't wait will buy the new one
If i have the money I'll buy the new one
Otherwise I'm happy that the Tablet Z is getting Kit Kat
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Just bought a Z
Pretty happy with it at the moment but I can't believe there is no APP2SD support in stock ROM, hoping we get it in 4.4
jokerni said:
Just bought a Z
Pretty happy with it at the moment but I can't believe there is no APP2SD support in stock ROM, hoping we get it in 4.4
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We won't, google has placed some heavy Sd card restrictions on kit kat
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We won't, google has placed some heavy Sd card restrictions on kit kat
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:/ OK I won't go to official 4.4 then.. Can anyone recommend a stable ROM with APP2SD support?
Xperia Tablet Z 2... screw that... I'm never buying nothing from Sony again. There's no excuse for updates taking this long. As much as I love and baby my tab Z like another child... being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... I know its not just Sony's fault, Google is to blame as well. OS FRAGMENTATION issues... thats a laugh... once an update is out these manufacturers should be getting the ball rolling, but they are not. They wait until a new product is in the makes and then they finally do something with the update. Its just not right.
I just don't have enough middle fingers to hold up to those guys. I pay top dollar for a premium product, I expect premium support for that product as well. Otherwise I might as well buy the discount low price no-name piece of hardware that has all the latest technology and latest O/S cause then I can afford to replace it every 6 months to a year instead of expecting support for cutting edge in technology I think will last a few years.
I agree that updates take too damn long but its not only Sony, all manufacturers take ages to roll new updates
Sadly only nexus devices have the privilege of fast updates
But its better to get an update even if late than to get nothing at all, some manufacturers like lg or samsung don't even bother
You might say samsung does update thier devices but the only devices they care to update are the Note and The Galaxy S line, the rest? Stuck in the mud
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Xperia Tablet Z 2... screw that... I'm never buying nothing from Sony again. There's no excuse for updates taking this long. As much as I love and baby my tab Z like another child... being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... I know its not just Sony's fault, Google is to blame as well. OS FRAGMENTATION issues... thats a laugh... once an update is out these manufacturers should be getting the ball rolling, but they are not. They wait until a new product is in the makes and then they finally do something with the update. Its just not right.
I just don't have enough middle fingers to hold up to those guys. I pay top dollar for a premium product, I expect premium support for that product as well. Otherwise I might as well buy the discount low price no-name piece of hardware that has all the latest technology and latest O/S cause then I can afford to replace it every 6 months to a year instead of expecting support for cutting edge in technology I think will last a few years.
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I'm curious, other than the Nexus lineup, who would you say offers faster upgrades? Nexus has the benefit of internal Google development being applied when creating the update. Additionally....it also has NO OS MODIFICATIONS. That's one of the biggest hurdles. All the changes to the OS that companies do, require additional development time. That's in addition to any new drivers that have to be created and tested for components that exist in this particular device, that weren't in the Nexus devices.
So what manufacturer besides Sony would you purchase from who does not have that same issue? I ask because you indicate you'd just continually buy new cheaper devices. Even many new launch devices currently do not come with 4.4.2 loaded on them. Those that do, only have been showing up in the last month or so at best, and normally are NOT the cheap models.
We have already received one major update on the Tablet Z. We just received a minor update the other month and are due for another major update within 2 months. Seems relatively quick to me.
4.4.2 launched in December for Nexus devices. Most manufacturers would not want to jump on 4.4 cause they know there'll be quick follow up updates. And 4.4.1 was only a few weeks before that. Most nexus devices didn't have 4.4.2 until late December or early January. It's the end of March now, and we're already targeted to receive the update in May. Granted it could be late May or even June for certain models, but they just recently got 4.3 out there, so they jumped onto 4.4 pretty quickly.
Also, this sentence: " being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... " Can you clarify to me what special treatment you are supposed to get since you are in Canada? Are they some type of "mobile OS priority" country?
It's better late than never... I think the update timeline of Sony is fair enough.. 4.1.2, 4.2.2, 4.3 and soon 4.4.2. we have many options for our tatse.. in my part, my concern is how good would be the next update..i hoping for a lesser bugs(bug free would be better) in 4.4.2..that's all..
IOS by the way has an update twice a week. so if anybody here wants a quick/frequent update..IOS is an option..hehehe
It not really the update that matters to me... its the functionality... its like its been rushed and full of bugs... apps that should work proper doesnt (ex: Mx player audio bug; WIFI problems disconnecting every 15-20 minutes when connecting to networks with other streaming apps) New version = fixed problems... but that is not the case. And to the fellow that commenting about me being from canada... well I noticed there are different versions of firmware all over the world... and it seems over here we get the updates last... thats what I was refering to. (311, 312 wifi) Sure they can release updates untill the cows come home... but if they are not fixing the problems that are currently on the device.. it dont mean crap.
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It not really the update that matters to me... its the functionality... its like its been rushed and full of bugs... apps that should work proper doesnt (ex: Mx player audio bug; WIFI problems disconnecting every 15-20 minutes when connecting to networks with other streaming apps) New version = fixed problems... but that is not the case. And to the fellow that commenting about me being from canada... well I noticed there are different versions of firmware all over the world... and it seems over here we get the updates last... thats what I was refering to. (311, 312 wifi) Sure they can release updates untill the cows come home... but if they are not fixing the problems that are currently on the device.. it dont mean crap.
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First thing first: I use MX Player I don't have any audio problems. No WiFi problems also.
About the Canada thing, believe me, Brazil takes even more time. But, that's isn't Sony fault. I mean, they don't put a World Map, play Darts with it, and the updates rolls out in order that the countries are hit. I don't know exactly the reason, but there is one. It is normally staged rollout. If there are problems, they can know already about it and start working. At least the number of people with the problem will be lower.
There are no different fw versions all over the world. There is .101 for LTE models, and .109 for WiFi models. The difference relies on country related crap built in. Last but not least, you can always grab a ftf and flash the fw yourself if you want.
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KanjiMan1977 said:
It not really the update that matters to me... its the functionality... its like its been rushed and full of bugs... apps that should work proper doesnt (ex: Mx player audio bug; WIFI problems disconnecting every 15-20 minutes when connecting to networks with other streaming apps) New version = fixed problems... but that is not the case. And to the fellow that commenting about me being from canada... well I noticed there are different versions of firmware all over the world... and it seems over here we get the updates last... thats what I was refering to. (311, 312 wifi) Sure they can release updates untill the cows come home... but if they are not fixing the problems that are currently on the device.. it dont mean crap.
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As previously stated, while the two issues you mention are something others experience, "most" owners are not having those issues. Yes, MOST people do not have those issues. Only the small percentage that are vocal on the boards and a few others. I'm not trying to diminish your experience, but while I'm sure it's frustrating, I don't think it's probably Sony's top priority with only a minority having these issues.
That said, I just wouldn't slam Sony overall for it, but if it leaves a bad taste in your mouth that's fine. Honestly, with how new this technology still is, to thing that the devices being produced are already at this quality level, with less than 5-6 years of legacy production on most of them, is pretty impressive.
Ever heard of AOSP?
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KanjiMan1977 said:
It not really the update that matters to me... its the functionality... its like its been rushed and full of bugs...
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THIS Quote right here sums it up...
You want a better OS? Either have patience, or go unlock bootloaders and load AOSP Google Nexus OS. Better "functionality"? Well WAIT for Sony developers instead of "RUSHING" them, then you wont find "full of bugs..."
See, we are so spoiled, we all want, NOW NOW NOW NOW NAAAAOOOO.
How about changing pace? Be patient. Seriously, i mean other than companies like SONY (Who actually LOVE AND ENCOURAGE THE DEV WORLD) actually puts out great product. I'm not trying to bash on Samsung and all, but I would rather be with Sony Products than Samsung or HTC that likes to "scrimp" on hardwares and "overcharge" the masses.
Here's the kicker.... THEY DON'T "LOVE" or "ENCOURAGE" DEVELOPERS WORLD. Example, Samsung started to lock down their stuff with SELinux and Knox, even circuit electric locking your phone. (Means that it locks you out permanently and will brick you phone if you try to downgrade, or such. I forgot the actual wording.)
So, really, have more patience in this world.
I know I do. I haven't upgraded, just because mine is PERFECTLY working the way I want it. WiFi works, it's not botchy like some, still on 4.1.2, loaded XMB, casting great on my tv, and rooted. Plus even loaded the dual recovery. Not bootloader unlocked. And I even did that patch to make the rebooting stop while i take out the bloat, WHICH amazingly enough, the bloat was LESS THAN WHAT I HAD IN MY SAMSUNG S3 PHONE. I mean, WAY LESS.
Oh, I have both N7 and N10, (Yes, i'm spoiled), and both stock, ran against my Z Tab, and Antutu scored way higher than both Nexus 7 or the 10. I made both Nexuses barebones, no google, and ran Antu, and still my Sony topped them.
BE GREAT FULL THAT YOU HAVE A FUNCTIONING DEVICE
/my2cents
KanjiMan1977 said:
Xperia Tablet Z 2... screw that... I'm never buying nothing from Sony again. There's no excuse for updates taking this long. As much as I love and baby my tab Z like another child... being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... I know its not just Sony's fault, Google is to blame as well. OS FRAGMENTATION issues... thats a laugh... once an update is out these manufacturers should be getting the ball rolling, but they are not. They wait until a new product is in the makes and then they finally do something with the update. Its just not right.
I just don't have enough middle fingers to hold up to those guys. I pay top dollar for a premium product, I expect premium support for that product as well. Otherwise I might as well buy the discount low price no-name piece of hardware that has all the latest technology and latest O/S cause then I can afford to replace it every 6 months to a year instead of expecting support for cutting edge in technology I think will last a few years.
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Even if you where correct about Sony taking long to come with updates which I don't think they are compared to others. We get the update and is it not better to get a stable update with apps updated aswell rather than a rushed update. Yes I can't wait for the update as well but after all will it really make that big of a difference that having to wait a bit longer is a huge problem?
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Even if you where correct about Sony taking long to come with updates which I don't think they are compared to others. We get the update and is it not better to get a stable update with apps updated aswell rather than a rushed update. Yes I can't wait for the update as well but after all will it really make that big of a difference that having to wait a bit longer is a huge problem?
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A huge international company like Sony, you would think they would have a huge development team for android devices since they have made quite a few already, should be able to keep up with the new versions of android as they come out (meaning a month or two after its release). Not just Sony but all the major brands. They are practically given the complete code to begin with, so pretty much just have to update all their bloat.
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As previously stated, while the two issues you mention are something others experience, "most" owners are not having those issues. Yes, MOST people do not have those issues. Only the small percentage that are vocal on the boards and a few others. I'm not trying to diminish your experience, but while I'm sure it's frustrating, I don't think it's probably Sony's top priority with only a minority having these issues.
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Actually yes I have these issues that is another reason why it is fustrating. Update after update that doesn't fix the same problems.
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4.4.2 launched in December for Nexus devices. Most manufacturers would not want to jump on 4.4 cause they know there'll be quick follow up updates. And 4.4.1 was only a few weeks before that. Most nexus devices didn't have 4.4.2 until late December or early January. It's the end of March now, and we're already targeted to receive the update in May. Granted it could be late May or even June for certain models, but they just recently got 4.3 out there, so they jumped onto 4.4 pretty quickly.
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So since you know when all the other versions came out... why didn't you mention that 4.3 version we JUST got, was out since mid-late October? (for Nexus)... that would be... what 5 months... a month short of half a year.
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Also, this sentence: " being in Canada and waiting 6 months for an update is complete BULL... " Can you clarify to me what special treatment you are supposed to get since you are in Canada? Are they some type of "mobile OS priority" country?
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Dude I never asked for special treatment... when an update comes out it seems like we are near the end of the lineup a month or two after everyone else. I guess the Brazilian guy understands my greif... cause it does seem like they throw darts at a map sometimes.
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Here's the kicker.... THEY DON'T "LOVE" or "ENCOURAGE" DEVELOPERS WORLD. Example, Samsung started to lock down their stuff with SELinux and Knox, even circuit electric locking your phone. (Means that it locks you out permanently and will brick you phone if you try to downgrade, or such. I forgot the actual wording.)
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Actually you have no clue what you are talking about. I own a Note 3 and it doesn't do any of that... do you even know what KNOX is for? Its for buisness apps that access your companys secure network. (It was a toss up between Note 3 and the z2... and I just didnt like the z2 bezzel it seemed oversized on the top and bottom) And actually they really are not that friendly to the developer world... they just dont want to spend the money to fix every little exploit cause people are going to flash roms and unlock bootloaders, and brick their devices and send them back no matter what they do so they might as well quit an sit back and wait for others to do the work for them. Anyone who has a ps3 or similar products would know what Im talking about.
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Yes I can't wait for the update as well but after all will it really make that big of a difference that having to wait a bit longer is a huge problem?
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Sure... I CAN wait for an update as long as all the previous issues have been addressed and not causing new issues (re: 5 minute shut down, and high battery drain)
But the point I'm actually trying to make is 6 months is too long for an update but no one else here seems notice. All the internet talk about fragmentation issues with all these devices with different android versions. An android version comes out... it shouldnt take more than two months to develop and distribute an update its not like Sony employs one or two people to do this task ( Or HTC or Samsung etc...) The average life span of an android device is a year to two years. (and yes I usually get a new phone pretty close to every year i always try to get the latest and greatest NON APPLE products) But whatever I dont even know if I want Kit Kat after all I have heard, thats the main reason why I havent flashed AOSp or some other rom cause they dont completely work, theres always something that remains broken. When official kit Kat comes out... if it fixes the current issues sure why not.
I will not quote the whole post because it is too long, but... Sony has Ben loosing a lot of money lately, as a whole. Even though Sony Mobile is winning more than losing, the whole company is losing. And, no, they don't have a huge team of developers to take care of that.
Until Sony bought the Sony Ericsson joint venture, all of Sony smartphone development (both hardware and software) was done in Sony Ericsson hoke country. After Sony bought it, they decided to slowly shift both software and hardware development to Sony Japan. That caused a whole huge mess...
Even though Sony Japan had enough manwork, they weren't talented as the software developers from the old SE. They had transfered the 4.1.2 update for S from SE to Japan. Japan messed up the update pretty bad, and SE team (I just can't remember the country name lol) had to work to fix it, while working on the 4.2.2 for newer devices...
So now they have a relatively small dev team, but a very talented one
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Actually you have no clue what you are talking about. I own a Note 3 and it doesn't do any of that... do you even know what KNOX is for? Its for buisness apps that access your companys secure network. (It was a toss up between Note 3 and the z2... and I just didnt like the z2 bezzel it seemed oversized on the top and bottom) And actually they really are not that friendly to the developer world... they just dont want to spend the money to fix every little exploit cause people are going to flash roms and unlock bootloaders, and brick their devices and send them back no matter what they do so they might as well quit an sit back and wait for others to do the work for them. Anyone who has a ps3 or similar products would know what Im talking about.
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I actually do know what KNOX is. I also do know what i'm talking about. I have Knox on my government phone. And I wasn't talking about having a Z2 or it's damn oversized bezzel, I was just simply stating that Sony has a better handle on the developer world, compared to other companies such as HTC or Samsung. Seriously, do you think they like the idea that you are putting a custom ROM on your Note 3? SELinux = On Note 3 = Enforcing. Knox will monitor if you "tamper" with the Note 3. You change those values, you think they'll HONOR your "bricked" device because you "Unlocked the Bootloaders" and "Customized the ROM"? Try it...
And so, "they are really not that friendly to the developer world".... and Samsung is? Ha. Thanks for giving me the laughs.
I do own a PS3, but i never had to send them back. I'm not sure how "PS3" is actually added in this conversation.
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So since you know when all the other versions came out... why didn't you mention that 4.3 version we JUST got, was out since mid-late October? (for Nexus)... that would be... what 5 months... a month short of half a year.
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Strange, I updated my SGP312 to official 4.3 through PC companion app more then 3 months ago...
My wife recently upgraded her phone contract to get the new Galaxy S5, and for a relatively small cost extra, they threw in the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition LTE (SM-P605) which I quickly claimed for myself.
However, it was not long before I was reminded why I abandoned Samsung devices years ago in favour of the Nexus range. The first thing I did when I got home was check for a software update. Nothing at all. Very disappointing for two reasons.
1.) It was still running a 4.3 build from August 2013.
2.) There was no multi-user support; something I was relying on so that my wife and I could share the tablet. This was especially strange considering this feature is available in vanilla 4.3.
So after some searching, I was briefly excited to see that the Kitkat update for the 2014 Edition had landed mere days ago. I began scouring the Internet... Turns out, this update is only for the SM-P600!!! ARGH!
A bit more scouring... Verizon have the tablet on their network right? And they are LTE... And I read something about a Kitkat update for their device! Nooooope! That devices is the SM-P605V.
So here I sit, back in the Samsung camp, completely at the mercy of their erratic update-rollout schedules whilst all of their other tablets EXCEPT mine are enjoying the Kitkat goodness.
God only knows when or if I'll even see a 4.4 update on this device - I'm not holding my breath.
Edit: I'm starting to wonder where I could flash the SM-605V ROM on my device. Seems like the only difference is the LTE band support. I only use Wifi at the moment, so if the worst that can happen is that I lose mobile data, I'd be okay with that.
Yes, that is Samsung for you. It feels very annoying but the feeling is soon forgotten after the update is finally released (at least that's the way it went with the old Note). I am also eagerly waiting for Kitkat for my SM-P605..
As it is now, there really is no alternative for Note 2014 edition if you want an Android tablet with high end specs and also want to draw with the tablet. If Google released a 10 inch Nexus tablet with Wacom pen I would probably buy that instead.
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My wife recently upgraded her phone contract to get the new Galaxy S5, and for a relatively small cost extra, they threw in the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition LTE (SM-P605) which I quickly claimed for myself.
However, it was not long before I was reminded why I abandoned Samsung devices years ago in favour of the Nexus range. The first thing I did when I got home was check for a software update. Nothing at all. Very disappointing for two reasons.
1.) It was still running a 4.3 build from August 2013.
2.) There was no multi-user support; something I was relying on so that my wife and I could share the tablet. This was especially strange considering this feature is available in vanilla 4.3.
So after some searching, I was briefly excited to see that the Kitkat update for the 2014 Edition had landed mere days ago. I began scouring the Internet... Turns out, this update is only for the SM-P600!!! ARGH!
A bit more scouring... Verizon have the tablet on their network right? And they are LTE... And I read something about a Kitkat update for their device! Nooooope! That devices is the SM-P605V.
So here I sit, back in the Samsung camp, completely at the mercy of their erratic update-rollout schedules whilst all of their other tablets EXCEPT mine are enjoying the Kitkat goodness.
God only knows when or if I'll even see a 4.4 update on this device - I'm not holding my breath.
Edit: I'm starting to wonder where I could flash the SM-605V ROM on my device. Seems like the only difference is the LTE band support. I only use Wifi at the moment, so if the worst that can happen is that I lose mobile data, I'd be okay with that.
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Wait..... so your wife upgraded her phone - and they gave you a Note 10.1 2014 LTE for a small cost.... and now you are having a whinge?
Perhaps you could have gone out and bought a 4.4 loaded KitKat tablet instead?
Yes, you will see KK on the device, in the not too distant future.. Its been released on the Verizon version, so the rest of us are not too far behind. And no, as I understand it, the 605v version rom will not boot on the standard 605 device.
If you needed KK for multi-user, perhaps you should have bought a Nexus 7?
In actual fact, the most recent versions of p605 roms (stock) are from November 2013. What build number is the device reporting?
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Wait..... so your wife upgraded her phone - and they gave you a Note 10.1 2014 LTE for a small cost.... and now you are having a whinge?
Perhaps you could have gone out and bought a 4.4 loaded KitKat tablet instead?
Yes, you will see KK on the device, in the not too distant future.. Its been released on the Verizon version, so the rest of us are not too far behind. And no, as I understand it, the 605v version rom will not boot on the standard 605 device.
If you needed KK for multi-user, perhaps you should have bought a Nexus 7?
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Thanks for the reply.
The reason I didn't "go out and buy a 4.4 tablet" is because I wasn't actually in the market for a tablet at all, least of all a 7 incher. When we walked into the store, I had no idea I'd be walking out with a tablet; it was an impulse purchase. By getting it alongside my wife's new phone, the tablet basically cost about half of what it would have if I'd bought it cash, so it was a bit of a no-brainer. I made the mistake of ASSUMING that a premium tablet with such impressive hardware specs would have already been updated to Kitkat, and at the very least, include multi-user support. This is the crux of my argument really; when you have been using something like a Nexus for so long, you forget how things lag behind in the world of Samsung.
But lets just put things into perspective for a second... Yes, I am upset that there's no Kitkat ROM yet for this device, when other models (of the SAME device) already have it. It is frustrating. Does that mean I am about to throw it in the bin? Of course not. There's nothing wrong with "having a whinge" about Samsung's policies. I'm certainly not the first to do so. It doesn't mean I think that the tablet is junk, or that I regret buying it. On the contrary, I'm still very impressed and happy with the purchase, and I'm hopeful that Samsung will bring out the Kitkat update sooner rather than later, but the lack of reliable information or time-frames is certainly annoying.
And thank you for the heads-up re. the SM-605V ROM; probably best to scratch that idea.
So you buy your devices solely to update them? I've been using the N10.1-14 since October when it came out and have been quite happy with it. 4.4 introduces some improvements I'm looking forward to but it's not like they're required to make the N10.1-14 work. The only thing in your post that seems like a real requirement for you is multi user. So either put it on a shelf and wait for 4.4 or use it yourself until the update comes. I'm not defending Samsung's update process; it's cumbersome and slow. But it's not like their products are unusable or cow dung simply because updates bring a smattering of new features. And updates to Android aren't always beneficial. Google totally borked external SD card access in 4.4 to the point people are staying on or reverting to 4.3.
You bought a device you had no prior intention of doing so on a whim at a reduced price and are upset because the latest updates are not currently available to you...? 1st world problems are terrible ain't they...
You bought it as it is, it works 100% as intended. You have no legal right and should have no expectations to any sort of updates - stop whinging and worry about real issues in the world instead.
@kempas well said sir. Honestly what is up with people it's just an update it makes it look better and makes it faster and blah blah it doesnt exactly change it into a flying machine.
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As I said, I don't want the KitKat update to "make it look pretty or go faster". I want multi-user accounts which is core functionality that was introduced in Android 4.2. It is not unreasonable to expect that it is available in a premium tablet running Android 4.3.
I'm pretty surprised by the direction this thread took...
It seemed to be a pretty reasonable post with concerns and questions about the ROM, posted here in a ROM community, and the response has pretty much been "Shut up and stop whinging"
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1st world problems are terrible ain't they...
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[MENTION=1141807]blah it doesnt exactly change it into a flying machine.
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Made me laugh.
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I'm pretty surprised by the direction this thread took...
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I'm not. 4.4 started rolling out 10 days ago. The SM-P600 owners in Colombia, the U.S., and Canada that won the "got it first" lottery are ecstatic. Everyone else is pissed, envious, and impatient. Posting their dissatisfaction here isn't going to get them their update any faster and no one here can help them. Logically, Samsung would roll out a few regions and watch the feedback to make sure there wasn't anything they missed in testing that needed correction before the global roll out began in earnest. From past experience, it can take two months for the majority of Samsung devices to receive an update once it begins rolling out. Does that mean we need to endure two months of "where's my update?" and "Samsung sucks!" threads from the unfortunate at the latter end of the roll out?
This really has nothing to do with Samsung. The updates for LTE models are usually sent to their providers before the wifi only updates are pushed [hence the reason Verizon already has it]. It's up to your LTE provider to issue the update.
Same with Nexus. A Nexus device purchased directly from Google will get an update before one purchased from Sprint or T-Mobile.
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This really has nothing to do with Samsung. The updates for LTE models are usually sent to their providers before the wifi only updates are pushed [hence the reason Verizon already has it]. It's up to your LTE provider to issue the update.
Same with Nexus. A Nexus device purchased directly from Google will get an update before one purchased from Sprint or T-Mobile.
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AFAIK in Spain all P605 are unlocked, no LTE provider sell them.
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I don't know why people are getting on the ops back about it. He's absolutely right. Yeah the device still works but it is annoying that you see Ipads and Nexus devices getting timely updates. The most annoying thing about it all is that I can say as a long time Samsung customer that yes its because of the number of devices but mostly it's because they don't care as much about their customers once they've paid for a device.
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I don't know why people are getting on the ops back about it. He's absolutely right. Yeah the device still works but it is annoying that you see Ipads and Nexus devices getting timely updates. The most annoying thing about it all is that I can say as a long time Samsung customer that yes its because of the number of devices but mostly it's because they don't care as much about their customers once they've paid for a device.
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You kind of hit the nail on the head. People for whom updates are a critical feature shouldn't buy Samsung products. The sheer scale of the number of devices they offer, types of devices (Wi-Fi, 3G, 4G), and overly complex system of different s/w by region makes them notoriously slow at updates. Knowing that I buy their products anyway because I like the quantity and quality of their unique features; most of which aren't available elsewhere. Am I happy about it? No. Did I expect it? Yes. Do I think *****ing about it is going to help? No. Want fast updates? Buy a Nexus or GPe device. It's that simple.
For the life of me I don't understand people that realize that they made a poor personal choice and then want to tell the world how bad of a decision they made. Is this just a way to get sympathy? I see it as a way to publicize poor decision making skills.
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My wife recently upgraded her phone contract to get the new Galaxy S5, and for a relatively small cost extra, they threw in the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition LTE (SM-P605) which I quickly claimed for myself.
However, it was not long before I was reminded why I abandoned Samsung devices years ago in favour of the Nexus range. The first thing I did when I got home was check for a software update. Nothing at all. Very disappointing for two reasons.
1.) It was still running a 4.3 build from August 2013.
2.) There was no multi-user support; something I was relying on so that my wife and I could share the tablet. This was especially strange considering this feature is available in vanilla 4.3.
So after some searching, I was briefly excited to see that the Kitkat update for the 2014 Edition had landed mere days ago. I began scouring the Internet... Turns out, this update is only for the SM-P600!!! ARGH!
A bit more scouring... Verizon have the tablet on their network right? And they are LTE... And I read something about a Kitkat update for their device! Nooooope! That devices is the SM-P605V.
So here I sit, back in the Samsung camp, completely at the mercy of their erratic update-rollout schedules whilst all of their other tablets EXCEPT mine are enjoying the Kitkat goodness.
God only knows when or if I'll even see a 4.4 update on this device - I'm not holding my breath.
Edit: I'm starting to wonder where I could flash the SM-605V ROM on my device. Seems like the only difference is the LTE band support. I only use Wifi at the moment, so if the worst that can happen is that I lose mobile data, I'd be okay with that.
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I am not sure if this will help you, op. Please do not flame me if it doesn't, but I came across and thought it would be useful...if you have rooted your device:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52430137
Never mind, didn't realize you were author of this post too-my bad, sorry
TabGuy said:
For the life of me I don't understand people that realize that they made a poor personal choice and then want to tell the world how bad of a decision they made. Is this just a way to get sympathy? I see it as a way to publicize poor decision making skills.
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Bwah! I've successfully managed to avoid replying to the majority of these idiotic comments, but this is probably the most hilarious case of the pot calling the kettle black that I've ever seen and I just could not resist.
The very first post of yours that I find is one in which you are bemoaning a bad decision you made. Even the title itself describes your regret over the decision.
Behold : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2729705
Seriously, thank you. :laugh:
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Bwah! I've successfully managed to avoid replying to the majority of these idiotic comments, but this is probably the most hilarious case of the pot calling the kettle black that I've ever seen and I just could not resist.
The very first post of yours that I find is one in which you are bemoaning a bad decision you made. Even the title itself describes your regret over the decision.
Behold : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2729705
Seriously, thank you. :laugh:
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On that subject, what did you hope starting this thread would accomplish? And what's the value you see to the XDA community we're all part of?
StNickZA said:
Bwah! I've successfully managed to avoid replying to the majority of these idiotic comments, but this is probably the most hilarious case of the pot calling the kettle black that I've ever seen and I just could not resist.
The very first post of yours that I find is one in which you are bemoaning a bad decision you made. Even the title itself describes your regret over the decision.
Behold : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2729705
Seriously, thank you. :laugh:
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Touche'
Stop whining and go buy a 10 Nexus tablet with LTE then.
Go ahead.
I'll wait here.
I've already gave Samsung a piece of my mind on the topic, but one or a few persons isn't going to do it.
here's some facts to know beforehand:
SM-P600: Note 10.1 2014 Edition WIFI-ONLY (much older than Note Pro) received 5.1.1 update for various regions between early December 9th and January 16th
SM-T900: Tab Pro 12.2 WIFI-ONLY (same release date, cheaper product / lower paying customers) also received 5.1.1 updates Dec. 9 - Jan 16th
first, download the Samsung+ app if you don't have it already. go to the Support or Help Section, and start a Video Chat call (yes it works on Wi-Fi only). by default, the camera on your tab is off, if you wish for them to see you, you'll have to manually toggle it on during the call so don't worry about that. the video chat is U.S. based and almost always gets you a fluent English speaking agent capable of an intelligent conversation. the regular phone line is more likely to land you in India or Mexico and no speak ingles thank you for choose Samsung business appreciate come again byebye! or tangle you up in departments that either have no involvement in software support or have no way to pass along your thoughts.
next, proceed to complain either politely or passionately, whichever fits your fancy, about the lack of updates for (give the exact model number SM-P900) our tab.
be prepared, they will try in many ways to tell you there's nothing they can do or redirect the conversation to have you go check for newer software / how to check for newer software so they can get you off the call. we already know what the newest is and how to check. we're not stupid! ROUND TWO, FIGHT!
tell them how (use the model numbers and names) the older/cheaper devices already got 5.1.1 almost half a year ago. they will try to tell you that the carriers or some other entity are responsible for handling updates. WIFI ONLY devices get their updates from Samsung, not a 3rd party. don't let them end the call so easily! they may also try telling you that a 3rd party updated the other tabs. reassure them you're comparing apples-to-apples, Wi-Fi tabs to Wi-Fi tabs.
ROUND THREE! expect to hear something about their update support being designed to end at a time that encourages customers to purchase a new device. every new Wi-Fi tab Samsung has released after the Note Pro (and is planning to release through the end of the year 2016 http://tabletmonkeys.com/new-tablets/) are either 1. budget devices with lesser hardware in one category or another (which are for a different kind of customer), or 2. run different operating systems (windows, also for different kinds of customers), or 3. both
make it known how despicable it is to try and force us to new devices "even if the specs were better, which isn't the case" and that you insist your feedback gets noted and passed on to Relations and all other involved departments.
feel free to share if you have done this, you will have my thanks and that of many others
This won't work. The device is probably going to hit eol soon. But I tried anyway. I did a video call with Samsung support the through the Samsung+ app. The support agent was polite and gave me the same answers and I gave my response.
He also suggested to leave a bad review on the Samsung product page but that won't do anything. I'm pretty sure we are stuck with 5.0.1 or hopefully the developers can port other versions of Android to this device.
working or not, it's one of few avenues we got
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I'm pretty sure we are stuck with 5.0.1 or hopefully the developers can port other versions of Android to this device.
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We have unofficial Marshmallow builds. This one is works well if you don't care about the camera (which I've always found pointless on a giant tablet): http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...t/rom-cyanogenmod-13-0-android-6-0-1-t3366834
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We have unofficial Marshmallow builds. This one is works well if you don't care about the camera (which I've always found pointless on a giant tablet): http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...t/rom-cyanogenmod-13-0-android-6-0-1-t3366834
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Yes I saw that. However most of the time when I use CM I've always noticed that there are some issues. I might give this a try at some point.
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Yes I saw that. However most of the time when I use CM I've always noticed that there are some issues. I might give this a try at some point.
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What are the issues that you see? They can't be fixed unless the dev knows it is an issue.
Not particularly with this device but on other devices I've seen random reboots.
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100% agree with this kind of initiatives !
Envoyé de mon SM-P900 en utilisant Tapatalk
You know, I was looking for official updates for our SM-P900. And I came across this. My opinion is that we always have the best option: learn from our mistakes, never do it again and move on. With that said, we all paid good money for that "premium" tablet. And since day one I felt I was going to pay dearly for having to buy another Samsung product. And sure s**t, I did. Which happens to be my last Samsung device. I forced myself to look for other products and was actually pleasantly surprised to find others. Maybe I didn't look hard enough, maybe the market is more mature, maybe I spent my money more wisely.
Note 5 for my wife and this SM-P900 were last Samsung devices we bought so it was a while back. Without realizing it, we went with 2 Sony android TVs when we could have bought Samsung TVs. We bought Rokus for older TVs. I bought a Nexus 6P to replace my Note 3 last year. We bought LG washer and dryer. Also LG fridge. And it feels good to not give them any more money.
And every dog has its day: Note 7.
Don't get me wrong Sterist, I truly admire your enthusiasm. I have been there. I am an IT Director with 20 years of experience so I came across very expensive pieces of hardware for a very long time. But it's good that we start growing a spine and start to really stick to them and mean it. I'm not a fan of anything. I don't discriminate. And today I recommend people to buy what's reliable. Usually Apple. When you have employees who constantly ask you personal questions about what to buy and you don't want to hear they complain weeks later after they bought what you recommended, well, you get smart and recommend whatever is going to help so they don't come back to haunt you.
(deep inside I am pissed like you and others about the SM-P900 and lack of support or for Samsung to just sit around like they always do for the EOL of this device)
Except for maybe security updates, this device doesn't need updating. Updates usually screw something up like the last update that borked the external keyboard until they released another update to fix. It's is still a great product and does everything I want it to do. If you think apple stuff may be better then go ahead and buy their stuff but expect to pay more. Recommending apple products on a samsung tablet forum is not cool.
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Except for maybe security updates, this device doesn't need updating. Updates usually screw something up like the last update that borked the external keyboard until they released another update to fix. It's is still a great product and does everything I want it to do. If you think apple stuff may be better then go ahead and buy their stuff but expect to pay more. Recommending apple products on a samsung tablet forum is not cool.
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Not necessarily. There are some more tweaks and updates that this tablet could use. Or at least thats what I think.
I have to say that buying this tablet when I did I though it would at least get upgraded to v6. The device is capable of so much more. I am using the unofficial CM 14.1 and mostly its very good. But as previous people have mentioned there are a few things that don't seem to work. The Microphone is one of them. The screen resolution is awesome using CM14.1!!
The hardware was ahead of the capability of the OS so updates should of been worked on.
It was good value but without the updates the timescale of that value is too short, If I had shelled out a bit more for something else I would have an updated OS which could make better use of the hardware underneath and the value would have applied over a longer period in reality making it cheaper. This experience has change my view on Samsung products. When I can finally put down money for a new tablet, I will be definitively be looking elsewhere for a brand that supports their products for longer.
I recently bought this tablet second hand because I wanted a premium tablet with the S Pen but I wasn't willing to wait/spend on the Tab S3. At the time, I didn't realize how old the Note Pro actually was so I was disappointed to find out that it's stuck on Lollipop (granted, my fault for not researching this first). Like dstote above, I figured Samsung would at least support it until Marshmallow considering the hardware specs. What a shame.
Of course, this then brought me to xda. I immediately flashed Lineage 14 but realized I really wanted TouchWiz back (never thought I'd say that). Next I tried Carbon which is a modified stock ROM. It worked well and was much faster than stock but I lost 5GHz wifi access--presumably because it was intended for the P901. I then settled on the Bussybox build which has been working great. The only issue is the occasional random reboot which I'm hoping gets ironed out in future builds. Here's hoping someone puts together a TouchWiz Nougat build because I'm not holding my breath for Samsung to do it.
In my case I bought the SM-P900 because I travel a lot and wanted something to work on (including sketching/ drawing), watch movies on, keep in touch with family and friends on and something that, being a premium product, Samsung would support.
The hardware is far more capable than the OS and the unfortunate thing is the lack of S Pen support in most of the custom builds. Until this device I'd had a Galaxy S2,3,4 & 5 and a couple of Samsung TV's. I now have an LG phone, 2 LG TV's and LG fridge - Not because they are any better (you've only got to look at their track record with updates) but because they offer better value for money - We also have 2 Motorola and an Oppo phone in the house - All of the samsungs are stuck in a drawer with various flavours of lineage or CM on them as back ups. Apple - not for me - it's too locked down - but at least it's well supported.
Vote with your wallets, it's clearly the only thing Samsung understand.
For the love of God, are we ever going to get Noughat for the US XT1575 MXPE? It seems at this point it's a lost cause. So many devices have already received it, including Verizon branded phones. I'll never buy Lenovo / Motorola again. In my opinion we should have had Noughat 6 months ago, this is ridiculous. I guess I need to consider another option but being on Verizon limits my access to unlocked phones. What are good options other than Moto? Thanks.
Be patient...I know that is hard but we know it is on its 3rd build for the pure as one of the members got it by accident when the test builds started.
i've resigned myself to the likelihood we will NOT get Nougat, and am now waiting to see if the Nokia 8 (or 9) will be making it stateside.
i like the original Z Play, but the Z2P is a disappointment. Moto is dead.
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For the love of God, are we ever going to get Noughat for the US XT1575 MXPE? It seems at this point it's a lost cause. So many devices have already received it, including Verizon branded phones. I'll never buy Lenovo / Motorola again. In my opinion we should have had Noughat 6 months ago, this is ridiculous. I guess I need to consider another option but being on Verizon limits my access to unlocked phones. What are good options other than Moto? Thanks.
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I am not going to discuss the Nougat issue or the delay... there are rumors as to why it is delayed, but we don't know for sure. We do know the most recent test build was released to testers early this month, and seems stable, so soon hopefully.
As far as your other options for unlocked phones... there isn't much, Pixel, Moto, Apple, some Samsung S7/S7 Edge/S8 models, and the upcoming Essential Phone, that's about it. There is some argument that the situation will change soon, with Verizon sunsetting the CDMA network in 2019 and moving to a pure LTE ecosystem, but until then if you want an unlocked phone those are your choices right now.
I really don't know what the rush is about unless split screen viewing is crucial for you. The only other benefit is somewhat better battery while in doze mode. One issue noted by many users is that nougat is much harder on battery in poor signal areas due to radio management most likely. Since much of my work days are in poor signal areas, I will stick with with marshmallow until I hear the problem is resolved.
sigh...another useless thread to complain about no update.....forget about it..i.ts not gonna happen. This device is dead.
Reporting thread to be closed.
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Many of us are eagerly awaiting the arrival of Oreo to our beloved Note 5 and it's on it's way. There is already an early beta build of it for the S6 based on a new branch of LOS15 I believe. It still has a few bugs but it's bootable a few things don't yet work but the basic's are there. It can only be a matter of time before a Note 5 dev picks it up and creates a build for us.
Have patience guys we should be enjoying a little Oreo goodness soon.
My source for this news is here - https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...nt/g92xx-android-o-samsung-galaxy-s6-t3663901
I just wish it wasn't Samsung based.
I read on samobile that the note 5 isn't getting Android 8.
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No word officially from Samsung yet but it is likely that Samobile is correct and we wont be getting an Oreo upgrade from Samsung. While that is very disappointing it's not the end of the road for the Note 5. I'm sure there will be rom's ported from devices that do get upgrades and source built rom's too. Samsung does not care about us but luckily for us XDA has teams of talented developers who do care. One way or other we will be enjoying Oreo goodness we just need to be patient till it happens.
For reference.
https://www.sammobile.com/samsung-galaxy-android-8-o-update
Note 5 already gone through two major OS update. so if not mistaken, we will miss the Oreo update. Our only hope is custom rom porting.
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Note 5 already gone through two major OS update. so if not mistaken, we will miss the Oreo update. Our only hope is custom rom porting.
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Which is either unlikely or very unstable given the state of AOSP development for our devices
Im so glad i didn't sell my Nexus 6P Just upgraded to Orem Fully rooted Goodbye Note 5 you wont be missed
izou1838 said:
Im so glad i didn't sell my Nexus 6P Just upgraded to Orem Fully rooted Goodbye Note 5 you wont be missed
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I got a full refund from Google for the early shutdown issue. Extremely happy with samsung oreo isn't a huge leap forward I can wait.
AndrewM3 said:
I got a full refund from Google for the early shutdown issue. Extremely happy with samsung oreo isn't a huge leap forward I can wait.
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8.0 is a big deal (compared to prev updates) battery wise, Data and managing apps is much better.
My main thing is the battery which has almost doubled, specially on standby bringing new life to this old phone I didn't care for
Anyone else bothered that a barely 2 year old phone is getting ditched by Samsung? Are we going to just accept companies obsoleting phones after 2 years? I'm not one for ROMs and rooting really so I don't want to hear about how Oreo is coming in that sense to the Note 5. Samsung should put Oreo together and release it for the Note 5. And if they can't then I'm not buying Samsung anymore. I don't care if they don't care. Phones should have a minimum of 5 year support at least for security updates. No reason why the Note 5 can't handle Oreo.
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Anyone else bothered that a barely 2 year old phone is getting ditched by Samsung? Are we going to just accept companies obsoleting phones after 2 years? I'm not one for ROMs and rooting really so I don't want to hear about how Oreo is coming in that sense to the Note 5. Samsung should put Oreo together and release it for the Note 5. And if they can't then I'm not buying Samsung anymore. I don't care if they don't care. Phones should have a minimum of 5 year support at least for security updates. No reason why the Note 5 can't handle Oreo.
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I agree whole heartedly with what your saying there phones n tablets etc should get more than 2 years support before being abandoned. The Note 5 is more than capable of running Oreo without a problem. But sadly Samsung will never give it to us we will now only get security updates no further OS updates.
Samsung's short sighted view is if u want the latest android OS buy a new phone every 2 years to get it. Yes I know they are in the business to make money but seriously they need to understand that us regular customers can't afford to replace perfectly good devices every couple of years and their corporate customers are unlikely to do so either.
I read somewhere that Samsung wants to get more of the corporate and government contracts that Apple enjoys for themselves and become as rich as Apple.
But Apple not only has nice hardware and the security that corporations and governments want they also support their devices for 4-5 years and that is a big factor in that market as well as the consumer market.
Until the high up's in Samsung grasp that concept and treat all it's customers better they will never have as much success as Apple enjoys. They seem content with things as they are and not caring a damn how many customers they upset and cause to stop buying their products because for every customer who leaves them there are millions more to replace them. The concept of gaining more customers while keeping existing customers happy by treating them right seems to be an alien concept to Samsung. Their attitude is we WILL do whatever we want in the pursuit of profit and to hell with those who don't like it there are many more to replace you.
I too have decided that I am no longer prepared to be treated like this by Samsung and my Note 5 will be the last product of theirs i buy. The sad thing is they build great hardware but their attitude towards customers seriously sucks and their short sighted profit model is unlikely to change any time soon.
RemusW said:
I agree whole heartedly with what your saying there phones n tablets etc should get more than 2 years support before being abandoned... etc etc more fluff etc ...their short sighted profit model is unlikely to change any time soon.
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Funny you should pick on Samsung out of all of the Android manufacturers; nearly all of them support their devices for only two years, even Google. So before you start complaining about how profit-greedy a company is, just remember that the company that *owns* Android doesn't even care to offer support for older devices. Also laughable that Google should make fun of Apple for ditching the headphone jack and look what they're doing with the Pixel 2. Pick a manufacturer, any manufacturer. You're not going to get the support you're looking for unless you switch to Apple.
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Funny you should pick on Samsung out of all of the Android manufacturers; nearly all of them support their devices for only two years, even Google. So before you start complaining about how profit-greedy a company is, just remember that the company that *owns* Android doesn't even care to offer support for older devices. Also laughable that Google should make fun of Apple for ditching the headphone jack and look what they're doing with the Pixel 2. Pick a manufacturer, any manufacturer. You're not going to get the support you're looking for unless you switch to Apple.
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You are correct most manufacturers do the same things but Samsung has reached the position of being the largest supplier of android phones on the planet and from that position of strength they lead and influence all the smaller players bellow them. If Samsung began to change it's attitude towards customers and treated them better then many of the smaller players would follow.
As for Google they don't make hardware only software the phones bearing the Google name are made by other phone manufacturers and again it's those manufacturers who dictate and control how long a phone is supported. Now Google could use it's licencing muscle to make the manufacturers behave better towards their customers and give better support but I don't know why they don't.
Android is open source true but the Android logo and Android OS version logo's are not they are copyright of Google and if any manufacturer wants to sell a phone with android on it they must comply with licencing terms and conditions set by Google. Now some of those conditions could be that manufacturers must give better support and for longer or that they must make available to the development communities the information needed to carry on support when the manufacturer no longer wants to do so. They could release information on things like drivers needed to interface with the hardware or better compatibility with the SOC's. No one is asking for the source codes to their whiz bang UI skins many don't like them and we certainly don't need them.
Google could use their position to make things better for everyone but I really don't know why they don't.
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Funny you should pick on Samsung out of all of the Android manufacturers; nearly all of them support their devices for only two years, even Google. So before you start complaining about how profit-greedy a company is, just remember that the company that *owns* Android doesn't even care to offer support for older devices. Also laughable that Google should make fun of Apple for ditching the headphone jack and look what they're doing with the Pixel 2. Pick a manufacturer, any manufacturer. You're not going to get the support you're looking for unless you switch to Apple.
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I know you're not talking directly to me but the reason I chimed in on this thread is because I have a Samsung. I've also had LG too and they're in the same boat with not updating their phones. Also One Plus and Motorola. I call all of them out but particularly focused on Samsung since I own a Note 5. That's all.
Yeah it sucks..I own a note 8... Really it's not a big update. They made a great phone with the note 5.
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Yeah it sucks..I own a note 8... Really it's not a big update. They made a great phone with the note 5.
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Dang really? Note 8 looks awesome. You're saying I'm not missing much by having a 5 still?
It's a nice phone. But the camera isn't better.. The front camera is worse in my opinion. Good screen and the size isn't much different. Slimmer but taller. Speed wise they are the same. Note 5 is just as snappy and fluid as the note 8
"before a Note 5 dev picks it up and creates a build for us."
So no one?
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"before a Note 5 dev picks it up and creates a build for us."
So no one?
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No doubt there will be a build but it's no good if you're using the tap and pay option