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If you own an smartphone manufactured by HTC running Windows Mobile, you’re about to receive a free software update. We don’t know when it’ll hit or what it will do, but it’ll do something.
HTC has been criticized by some for what they consider poor implementation of of graphics acceleration in certain handsets, saying that the devices are sluggish due to poor drivers for video. The update, that HTC today confirmed is coming, will likely fix this problem, though the maker offered no specifics.
There’s a class-action suit pending, though it’s unknown if it will ever go to court. While many are upset with HTC over its handling of video on its devices, many others have a “you get what you pay for” attitude, more or less echoing HTC’s line.
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Im not getting my hopes up, if they havent even released a date or a quarter then well probably get this update next year sometime knowing htc. I bought my mogul in july and the guy said the update to unlock the rev a and gps would be out in a month or two look when we got that.
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Im not getting my hopes up, if they havent even released a date or a quarter then well probably get this update next year sometime knowing htc. I bought my mogul in july and the guy said the update to unlock the rev a and gps would be out in a month or two look when we got that.
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thats the problem with dates, everyone thinks their source has the REAL scoop, but nobodies source knows anything
when i got my mogul in june i was told rev A in october at the earliest, and GPS wasnt even a consideration
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http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/04/28/htc-confirms-driver-update-forthcoming-not-much-else/
"There’s a class-action suit pending, though it’s unknown if it will ever go to court. While many are upset with HTC over its handling of video on its devices, many others have a “you get what you pay for” attitude, more or less echoing HTC’s line.
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woah, first of all, my HTC Mogul 6800 is sprint's most EXPENSIVE phone option and its replicates are also the most expensive with other service providers. They can bas HTC for being a bad company if they want but they can not say that these are cheap phones...
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woah, first of all, my HTC Mogul 6800 is sprint's most EXPENSIVE phone option and its replicates are also the most expensive with other service providers. They can bas HTC for being a bad company if they want but they can not say that these are cheap phones...
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they may be expensive phones, but whats the production cost? i dont know anything about the phone market but with video game consoles the hardware is sold below cost with the expectation of making up the loss in game sales, if the same logic applies here (with the loss being made up with service) then "you get what you pay for" is a valid argument
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they may be expensive phones, but whats the production cost? i dont know anything about the phone market but with video game consoles the hardware is sold below cost with the expectation of making up the loss in game sales, if the same logic applies here (with the loss being made up with service) then "you get what you pay for" is a valid argument
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In the video game market, that's the traditional model for some companies, but not all of them. Nintendo has always made money off their consoles. MS used to lose money on the 360, but I believe they do make a profit on it now. Not sure about Sony and the PS3, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're making profit too.
In any case, I find it hard to believe that the Mogul really costs more than $599 (full retail price) to make. Sure it has lots of bells and whistles, but that just allows consumers to understand and justify the high retail price. Plus, there are those people who don't want to sign a new contract so they pay full price for the phone. In those cases, there's no way HTC would want to lose money on those customers that aren't getting Sprint/Verizon's subsidy.
Regardless of what the device costs to make, I don't think that's any reason to not have full functionality or to not resolve issues with the device. I don't know if I have a complaint about video acceleration, but I do feel it's ridiculous that these companies (Sprint/Verizon/HTC) can put these devices through so much testing and not realize that 64MB of RAM is not enough for WM6. If I have to worry about closing programs to conserve memory, then the device doesn't have enough RAM period. That's what people need to be complaining about....
actually, i realized this is probabloy a bit irrealavent but.. my mogul in general has been acting up... in a good way. Its as if the new drivers were already implemented!? The device in general does all tasks now with more speed and relative accuracy. window changing. an the like. BUT, direct draw still doesnt work for media players that take advantage of it.
so, how did my device get faster? even the most noticable difference would be whem holding down the stylus, the little wait dots are colored red instead of white. broswing with opera 9.333 is also alot faster as everthing is more fluid.. (im writing this on my mogul as we speak)
all i gotta say is... if this is the update we were waiting for, then id still be dissapointed i still cant play videos the way they were ment too. (GDI works better tho)
so anyone have any ideas what this could be?
I really hope this is legit and will equal Graphics Improvements of some kind.
The Samsung Galaxy S could get updated to Android 2.2 in France by the end of September, according to internet reports.
The reports quote a ‘Samsung France representative’, which means if we’re to believe them we still don’t know when the update, aka Froyo, will land on UK versions of the phone.
Phandroid does offer some hope, pointing out that the French Samsung Galaxy S is an international version that is available in most territories.
Samsung has already said that Samsung Galaxy S’ in its native Korea would be first to get the update in August, with it rolling out to other territories after that.
Android 2.2 is expected to give iOS 4 a real run for its money, it will turn phones into Wi-Fi hotspots so files can be passed between phone and computers; offer faster connectivity; support Flash 10.1; and allow users to store and install apps with a MicroSD card.
http://phandroid.com/2010/07/20/word-from-samsung-france-is-galaxy-s-will-see-froyo-in-september/
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The Samsung Galaxy S could get updated to Android 2.2 in France by the end of September, according to internet reports.
The reports quote a ‘Samsung France representative’, which means if we’re to believe them we still don’t know when the update, aka Froyo, will land on UK versions of the phone.
Phandroid does offer some hope, pointing out that the French Samsung Galaxy S is an international version that is available in most territories.
Samsung has already said that Samsung Galaxy S’ in its native Korea would be first to get the update in August, with it rolling out to other territories after that.
Android 2.2 is expected to give iOS 4 a real run for its money, it will turn phones into Wi-Fi hotspots so files can be passed between phone and computers; offer faster connectivity; support Flash 10.1; and allow users to store and install apps with a MicroSD card.
http://phandroid.com/2010/07/20/word-from-samsung-france-is-galaxy-s-will-see-froyo-in-september/
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Their carrier partner in SK is switching to an unlimited data plan in August to coincide with the release so I think there's a lot of evidence to these rumors. I'll be a little excited to have the first, non-N1, Android device with official Froyo. Woot
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Hi there
two points,
I think it is the iPhone that would have to try give Android a run for its money, not visa versa, or are you talking about the fluidity of the interface? I suppose with that, the iphone is still tops, but feature wise, it has been overtaken with 2.1.
SGS can already run as a WiFi hotspot... just press one button in your settings and it is a hotspot.
Cheers,
Mark.
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Hi there
two points,
I think it is the iPhone that would have to try give Android a run for its money, not visa versa, or are you talking about the fluidity of the interface? I suppose with that, the iphone is still tops, but feature wise, it has been overtaken with 2.1.
SGS can already run as a WiFi hotspot... just press one button in your settings and it is a hotspot.
Cheers,
Mark.
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Yep, I used the hotspot feature the other day on my o2 galaxy s. I thought I was going to have to do without moving from my touch HD, but nope! Result.
I just don't get the delays for the release of this tab in the USA. It's not like there market situation will be better AFTER the iPad3 comes out so what's the f'n hold up. I know I can import but that exposes you to support issues I'd rather not deal with.
So, when is Verizon going to actually have these for sale for Christ sake???
Brian
It will come to the US as soon as carriers disable enough features and bloat it up.
In the case of AT&T, they have the least amount of work to do, because the 7.7 is already fully compatible with their network. T-Mobile is half way there in that they're a GSM provider, but tweaks would have to be made for a 1700mhz AWS version of the 7.7
In the case of Sprint, Verizon, or any other CDMA carrier, Samsung basically has to rebuild the entire device from ground up and start from scratch to make it work.
As for support issues, you really don't have as much to worry about as you might think. For starters, with a device like a tablet or smartphone, fixing problems or issues you might have are 9 times out of 10 going to be a case of, the manufacturer backing up and moving your data from the faulty device over to a brand new one, as opposed to actually opening it up and "fixing" the problem.
Also, depending on who you buy/import from, those sellers usually help with facilitating any warranty claims you might make, assuming your warranty claim can't be fulfilled domestically by the manufacturer in the first place.
Finally, if you really that worried about it, you can always purchase 3rd party insurance for your device. For instance, for about ~$70 - $80 for 1 year, you can protect your device with a policy, from something like SafeWare, that covers everything from theft, accidental damage, cracked screens, etc.
Well I can see two different hardware platforms depending on carrier but the LTE version earmarked for Verizon has already been demo'd at CES so we know Verizon is getting it. I just don't get why Samsung in particular has such a problem in getting to market. They announced this tab in September but there is still nothing about a release date in the USA.
I've asked this before but got no response -- supposedly, the LTE version also has the Eynos uP but since the Note in LTE could not use the Exynos I have some concern that the LTE version of the tab may not actually use the Exynos -- can anyone confirm the uP in the LTE (Verizon) version...
I ordered a 750GB notebook HD and a 64GB uSDXC flash card last night so I hope the Sammy tab is available soon. The HD is for my laptop whoes 500GB drive is almost filled.
Brian
Speculation is that the Verizon version will have a Qualcom Snapdragon processer of similar specs to the Exnos that will play nice with LTE.
For people like me - who would never buy anything from Verizon, and would not buy a CDMA device on general principles, I would love a United States distributor for the GSM and WIFI versions.
I'm hoping the reason for the delay with the previously announced Verizon version is that they've decided to launch it with ICS. It would kind of make sense to release it with ICS so it could be advertised as Verizon's first ICS tablet. Not to mention, many of reviews of the 3.2 version of the tablet have cited that it just seems slow, like the majority of honeycomb tablets.
I really think ICS is the cure for people not happy with the performance of honeycomb tablets. I for one was disappointed with the galaxy tab 7 plus which definitely had the specs to be able to run honeycomb. But, even with an exynos processor, it had lag that just shouldn't be there. I think honeycomb was never polished enough to make things run the way they should on such a powerful processor.
Lets hope the 7.7 comes to Verizon soon with ICS. If it does, I'll be buying it immediately. If it releases with 3.2, I will buy to test, but if the performance is similar to the 7.0+, I'll be returning it. Honeycomb just seems to bog down tablets, even if their specs should theoretically perform outstandingly.
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For people like me - who would never buy anything from Verizon, and would not buy a CDMA device on general principles, I would love a United States distributor for the GSM and WIFI versions.
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At last, somebody with my beliefs! LOL.
Kidding aside, I agree though. I dislike CDMA with a passion. Contracts even more so. I'm just really glad Negri Electronics is selling the international version and I was fortunate enough to have a GT 8.9 to sell to foot the full retail price.
I really wish it could be available through BB, Amazon, GSM vendors, and others soon.
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I'm hoping the reason for the delay with the previously announced Verizon version is that they've decided to launch it with ICS. It would kind of make sense to release it with ICS so it could be advertised as Verizon's first ICS tablet. Not to mention, many of reviews of the 3.2 version of the tablet have cited that it just seems slow, like the majority of honeycomb tablets.
I really think ICS is the cure for people not happy with the performance of honeycomb tablets. I for one was disappointed with the galaxy tab 7 plus which definitely had the specs to be able to run honeycomb. But, even with an exynos processor, it had lag that just shouldn't be there. I think honeycomb was never polished enough to make things run the way they should on such a powerful processor.
Lets hope the 7.7 comes to Verizon soon with ICS. If it does, I'll be buying it immediately. If it releases with 3.2, I will buy to test, but if the performance is similar to the 7.0+, I'll be returning it. Honeycomb just seems to bog down tablets, even if their specs should theoretically perform outstandingly.
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Firstly, I doubt that ICS is the main cause for the wait on VZW's 7.7. As I mentioned above, I think it's probably a lot more likely that Samsung essentially has to build, from scratch, a whole new custom device, just for Verizon, and in high enough numbers, that it will be marketable enough to American suckers, who don't mind locking themselves into overpriced, under featured, 2-year contracts with expensive ETF's, and all who are willing to tolerate a gimped version of original (I'm talking about the nixed phone functionality here), so they're effectively forced into buying two devices to fill two roles, and pay two line subscriptions instead one (or pay a stupid, greedy, artificial fee to tether, if not paying for two separate lines). Join that crowd? Hell no! No thank you!
Let's not forget too, that building these devices in large quantities takes time, and this special order for Verizon, on top of demand from the rest of the world for the WiFi and unlocked 3G versions, is probably your main source for delay.
Finally, yes, Honeycomb is not the best iteration of Android to date. Yes, things will invariably be better with ICS. However, Honeycomb is MUCH better than, say, Gingerbread. I mean, since 3.2 (which is what we have here), GPU accelerated UI comes natively right out of the box, just like it will with ICS.
Honestly, the real culprit here isn't Honeycomb itself, but rather TouchWiz on Honeycomb.
Have you tried any home launchers other than TouchWiz yet? No? Then quit your whining about lag, because apparently you're too lazy to even try doing one of the easiest things you can do to alleviate the real problem. And yet you're probably going to jump onto updating to ICS the second it's available (a much more involved process than changing your launcher I might add)
Seriously, throw ADW EX on your 7.7, and watch it take off like a Saturn V rocket!
To sum up, import an unlocked 7.7 instead of waiting. Get the WiFi version if you don't need it for a phone. If you like the phone idea, get that version and use it on a GSM network here. Get a cheap pay as you go plan or something, or if you're already a (preferably AT&T, for fully compatibility reasons) GSM subscriber, continue to use your existing plan. If you want LTE speeds, tether to your LTE device. And finally, you can protect your device with a 3rd party insurance policy from somewhere like SafeWare. I just called them, and they confirmed that they can cover the imported 7.7 for a little more than $50 per year, and that covers everything from theft, damage, lost device, etc. Everything. So don't talk to me about warranty issues anymore, I have just invalidated that argument.
Choice is a good thing for consumers. It's a bad thing that American consumers allow big carriers to dictate what we can and cannot buy domestically.
The rumor launch date on Verizon is February 23. And If i was betting man its going to launch with Honeycomb 3.2
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Remember the one big difference is the Verizon version WILL NOT have phone capabilities. For me that was a deal breaker.
If anyone is worried about warranty. I purchased a 2 year plan WITH accidental damage through SquareTrade for $90.
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Seriously, throw ADW EX on your 7.7, and watch it take off like a Saturn V rocket!
Choice is a good thing for consumers. It's a bad thing that American consumers allow big carriers to dictate what we can and cannot buy domestically.
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Honeycomb is laggy touch wiz or not. I've owned a xoom from the beginning and while it's much better with 3.2 than it was at 3.0, it still is quite slow. The 7.7 is no doubt faster without TW but I know for a fact honeycomb is still slow and I don't think any amount of hardware or different launchers is going to fix some of its issues. I really like 7.7, I just want it to be lag free completely and thus far I haven't seen a honeycomb device without lag.
And while I'm not a big fan of Verizon, I certainly don't want an 8 inch phone anyways and trading that off for LTE is a plus in my book.
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Honeycomb is laggy touch wiz or not. I've owned a xoom from the beginning and while it's much better with 3.2 than it was at 3.0, it still is quite slow. The 7.7 is no doubt faster without TW but I know for a fact honeycomb is still slow and I don't think any amount of hardware or different launchers is going to fix some of its issues. I really like 7.7, I just want it to be lag free completely and thus far I haven't seen a honeycomb device without lag.
And while I'm not a big fan of Verizon, I certainly don't want an 8 inch phone anyways and trading that off for LTE is a plus in my book.
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You should take a look at this then, and just see for yourself how nice ADW EX really is on the 7.7!
Got the 6p and saw in the settings tap and pay and got excited . However I tried to find Android pay and couldn't so then checked on the playstore and it not there for me (UK). Found a link to it off a YouTube video and it says that it is not available for my country :crying:
Anybody know when it will come out or possible way to work around the issue.
No workaround and no current launch date for the UK
It's down to the banks to decide they are happy with the implementation as far as I know.
Considering how quickly Apple Pay was approved, if Android Pay isn't as quick I'll be so angry I'll do nothing but sit and mumble obscenities to myself!!
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It's down to the banks to decide they are happy with the implementation as far as I know.
Considering how quickly Apple Pay was approved, if Android Pay isn't as quick I'll be so angry I'll do nothing but sit and mumble obscenities to myself!!
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I have been sitting & mumbling obscenities to myself since 2012. Here in Australia, we are one of the world leaders in early adoption & implementation of contactless payments & the banks here don't want to allow tap & pay at all. Some banks are finally starting to implement it, but not the big banks. They either outright reject it (my current bank) or have implemented their own system in partnership with either the telcos or certain phone manufacturers or both. It's disgusting.
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It's down to the banks to decide they are happy with the implementation as far as I know.
Considering how quickly Apple Pay was approved, if Android Pay isn't as quick I'll be so angry I'll do nothing but sit and mumble obscenities to myself!!
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Sitting and mumbling to one's self is the British way.
If there was a world championship of sitting and mumbling to yourself, and Britain didn't win? Well we'd probably have a good old sit and mumble about it.
I still don't see how pulling my phone out of my left pocket, unlocking it, tapping on card reader, scanning my fingerprint, is easier than pulling my wallet out of my right pocket and tapping on card reader.
Hey everyone,
I have the S8 International edition and I am currently using android pay to look after my touchy payments. I am toying with the idea of getting a gear S3 watch (if I can afford one) and that obviously only supports Samsung Pay.
Does anyone have any thoughts on Samsung Pay vs Android Pay and do you know in the UK if it is supported by Natwest? I have seen a few write ups containing the following "It currently supports payment networks including Visa and MasterCard, and cards issued by Santander, Nationwide and MBNA, with HSBC, First Direct, M&S Bank and American Express said to be joining soon." but this has no mention of Natwest in it at all :/
Any thoughts or opinions would be great
I recently looked into the difference and it seems like the big one is samsung pay also uses something called MST which mimics magnetics strips so it supposedly is capable of being used in more places you wouldn't ordinarily be able to use android/apple pay. Someone probably knows the differences a bit better than I do though.
MST is the only reason to use Samsung Pay other than the fact they give you cash back points regardless of what card you use. Only Samsung Pay has MST which basically means you can use it at ANY terminal which can read magnetic strips.
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MST is the only reason to use Samsung Pay other than the fact they give you cash back points regardless of what card you use. Only Samsung Pay has MST which basically means you can use it at ANY terminal which can read magnetic strips.
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I am pretty sure that we don't use the MST technology in the UK anymore. I don't think the card machines have it now. I gathered that was the maim difference so doesn't really matter which service I use. Thanks for the info
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I am pretty sure that we don't use the MST technology in the UK anymore. I don't think the card machines have it now. I gathered that was the maim difference so doesn't really matter which service I use. Thanks for the info
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I think I've used it maybe once or twice in the last 10 years when the chip on my card was playing up. Infact MST is disabled in Samsung Pay UK, so it offers nothing over Android Pay.
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I think I've used it maybe once or twice in the last 10 years when the chip on my card was playing up. Infact MST is disabled in Samsung Pay UK, so it offers nothing over Android Pay.
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Haha , good old UK restrictions! In that case then the only "benefit" of it is that I could use it on a Gear S3 if I get one
Thanks everyone for the input!
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Haha , good old UK restrictions! In that case then the only "benefit" of it is that I could use it on a Gear S3 if I get one
Thanks everyone for the input!
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Correct.
Although if Samsung decides to offer rewards in the UK, that could be a good reason to use it over Android Pay. Google seem to have promotions every now and then, like the Christmas cracker Android Pay promotion. This I believe is how a particular service will "win" over the competition, especially here in the UK were they are all very similar.
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Correct.
Although if Samsung decides to offer rewards in the UK, that could be a good reason to use it over Android Pay. Google seem to have promotions every now and then, like the Christmas cracker Android Pay promotion. This I believe is how a particular service will "win" over the competition, especially here in the UK were they are all very similar.
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I've actually only been using Android Pay since I got the S8 as my last phone was the OP2 and it doesn't have NFC , so I haven't come across any offers or anything as of yet. Interesting thought though
For me, Samsung Pay is the biggest reason why I continue to purchase the Galaxy's. Since it uses MST tech, I'm able to pay with my phone at almost all locations I go to, including taxi's and delis in NYC that have old card machines. No NFC? No problem. I still get employees telling me "Our machines don't work paying with your phone", I still do it, it works, and they're like "What phone is that?".