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So I had to unfortunate encounter of having to replace my new shiny tab because of an issue with the screen. However, I was told by the support tech that T-Mobile will roll out an update that will allow the device to be used as a fully functional phone around January. This is unconfirmed so far by official sources, but I thought it interesting nonetheless.
Cheers,
Robert
Hope it's true, it'll maybe encourage the other North American carriers to do the same.
For T-Mobile, it's probably cheaper than to have to writedown/restock all the returns as otherwise loyal T-Mobile customers are going to AT&T for Tabs, as well as not having to deal with all the failed flashes and the resulting "I don't know, it just stopped working" returns.
That will be lovely.
Seriously? I have 5 days left before I have to return my Tmo tab... I've been putting it off because really don't want to go AT&T...
Robert... I know you can't know for sure... but is your gut feeling that the support tech knew what he/she was talking about? How sure of it did they seem? eg any ambiguity on their part or did it seem like a done deal?
I'm on a few days left too. So tempted to return it for now and get a Nook to tide me over.
Would love phone functionality, but TMobile is doing my head in atm.
Rang them up earlier tonight to get my PAYG card sorted out (as can't update it online). With them wanting my social security number (don't have one) to my PIN number (never got one on a PAYG card), back to demanding my Social security number again (still don't have one), to them hanging up on me as I ask about phone functionality.
I'm at my wits end with Tmobile.
Guess it's going to end up being AT&T and flashed ROM I guess.
kg4mxz said:
So I had to unfortunate encounter of having to replace my new shiny tab because of an issue with the screen. However, I was told by the support tech that T-Mobile will roll out an update that will allow the device to be used as a fully functional phone around January. This is unconfirmed so far by official sources, but I thought it interesting nonetheless.
Cheers,
Robert
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I was talking to T-Mo Tech Support last week about the built-in Qik application and asked him why we didn't have the phone capability. He told me that it would probably be added soon, but I didn't really believe him at the time, figuring he didn't really know what he was talking about. Now I'm beginning to wonder if I judged him too harshly. It will be interesting to see if they charge extra for it, or if it will be included in our current plan.
It wouldn't surprise me if they did. T-Moble usually takes much more of a global view towards their products than all the other US carriers do. I guess it makes sense since they're a European provider & based there.
I just ported my cell number last night from AT&T to Simple Mobile. I've had time to use both devices and running the AT&T Tab at over twice the cost per month just isn't worth it. I can buy a new Tab every year with the money I save!
If the rumor is true, then I'd expect to see a test rom leak out sometime soon.
xexes said:
Seriously? I have 5 days left before I have to return my Tmo tab... I've been putting it off because really don't want to go AT&T...
Robert... I know you can't know for sure... but is your gut feeling that the support tech knew what he/she was talking about? How sure of it did they seem? eg any ambiguity on their part or did it seem like a done deal?
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The support rep was incredibly knowledgable and is infact an xda member. He seemed fairly certain this change was going to be rolled out.
Heres my question. If they do roll out this update, are they going to unblock whatever it is they are blocking and allow us to use our sim from another phone, or are we going to have to update the data plan they sold us to another plan that has voice?
Sent from Jt's Samsung Galaxy Tab!!
jtc442 said:
Heres my question. If they do roll out this update, are they going to unblock whatever it is they are blocking and allow us to use our sim from another phone, or are we going to have to update the data plan they sold us to another plan that has voice?
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Even though thats more of a rhetorical question, I'd guess that yes, they'd eliminate the block.
Just because the Tab has a larger screen than the Vibrant doesn't meant its any more of a data hog.
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Even though thats more of a rhetorical question, I'd guess that yes, they'd eliminate the block.
Just because the Tab has a larger screen than the Vibrant doesn't meant its any more of a data hog.
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I guess it will depend on how money hungry they are.
Well, I know AT&T will never officially update their device for this. God for bid they do anything to take customers away from the iphone or ipad!
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Heres my question. If they do roll out this update, are they going to unblock whatever it is they are blocking and allow us to use our sim from another phone, or are we going to have to update the data plan they sold us to another plan that has voice?
Sent from Jt's Samsung Galaxy Tab!!
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I would imagine that you would have to upgrade the plan.
I had an issue a little while ago and had to call into customer service. While i was on the phone, I asked the lady that was helping me about the possible update, and she told me there would be no updates pushed out from tmobile for the galaxy tab, they would all come straight from samsung. She told me i needed to check samsungs website for updates. Fixing to call back. I always get a different answer every single time i call them. Im not saying what the rep told you isnt true, im just adding what they told me.
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She's probably talking about Kies updates. But that is still a carrier-specific update, tied to the model number of the device.
In other words, Samsung is just the distributor, T-Mobile will still be the final arbiter on the updates.
SO get this, you guys know i work for t-mobile. A higher up told us the current tmo tab is going to be end of life soon.. RIGHT AFTER IT LAUNCHED..Because ...get this...."4G" Tab is coming out very soon. Honestly i could care less because Verizon/Att/Sprint/Tmo are all lies. there is no Such thing as 4G right now in the US, but we have not yet been educated on this update
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SO get this, you guys know i work for t-mobile. A higher up told us the current tmo tab is going to be end of life soon.. RIGHT AFTER IT LAUNCHED..Because ...get this...."4G" Tab is coming out very soon. Honestly i could care less because Verizon/Att/Sprint/Tmo are all lies. there is no Such thing as 4G right now in the US, but we have not yet been educated on this update
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Funny thing is, the current Tab IS 4G in terms of T-Mobile's marketing strategy, ie: Its already HSxPA capable, which is faster than other carriers 4G, hence the way they get away with marketing their Internet speeds as 4G, even though its not a new technology like Sprints.
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Funny thing is, the current Tab IS 4G in terms of T-Mobile's marketing strategy, ie: Its already HSxPA capable, which is faster than other carriers 4G, hence the way they get away with marketing their Internet speeds as 4G, even though its not a new technology like Sprints.
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But , correct me if im wrong, past HSPA enabled devices where maxed at 7.2 mbps, now the new HSPA+ devices ie. G2, Mytouch 4G are said to reach speeds of 42 mbps. I had a network tech in the store the other day and he was telling me how we are all ready done a full 4G conversion but they are playing the waiting game with Att/Verizon. Just like Comcast and Verizon. one advertises one speed then the 1 up each other every other month or so.
I'm actually waiting on either a ROM hack or an official phone inclusion before I buy the Tab. I simply can't see forking over this much dough on something that I can't use 24/7 like my HD2.
Thanks, OP, for the thread. I was about to start my own
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almost exactly 11 months after this
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I am sensing SUNDAY June 12th AT&T release of Samsung Galaxy Attain (almost 11 months after the Captivate)!!!
How long was it from when they made the announcement last year did the Galaxy S actually go on sale on AT&T?
Here you go, last years dates I posted earlier
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Do you guys remember how the first Galaxy was introduced on the 4 carriers last year?
Let me remind you
June 4th - first release in Asia
June 29th - launch party in New York City where it was first announced that 4 models were coming to 4 carriers, with no dates. (+25 days)
Later on, gradually, release dates were being announced about 1-3 weeks prior to a particular release. The phone was released as follows:
T-Mob - July 15th (+41 days)
AT&T - July 18th (+44 days)
Sprint, keyboarded CDMA version - August 30th (+87 days)
Verizon, CDMA version - September 9th (+97 days)
We learned that SGS1 was even coming to the United States 3.5 weeks after the phone was released in Asia.
The quickest provider T-Mob got it almost 6 weeks after the first country.
The slowest provider VZW - 3 months after.
So give this some time, sit back, relax, wait for bug reports from the UK beta testers , and enjoy your fixed (or maimed) version in a few short weeks.
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Note the US Launch party last year was 25 days after first international release, and this event is around 25 days after Korea/UK release
lol after dealing with the ATT Craptivate for a year I'll gladly "beta test" the vanilla samsung GS2
good luck with your carrier updates. I'm done purchasing US phones "variants" that force you to use reorient kernels for the Roms.
Thanks for the release date info. Looks like they're following a similar schedule... just bumped ahead 1 month from last year =)
Still, as much as I'd like to wait for a US variant... I don't really want to have to sign a contract to get one, nor do I want to put up with the bloatware and filth they put on the phone. Rooting and flashing ROMs on my T-mobile spec Galaxy S was annoying, having to ODIN back to certain firmwares before being able to flash a new ROM.
And the one question that I'm still wondering... will the US be getting a tegra version? That would suck =(
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lol after dealing with the ATT Craptivate for a year I'll gladly "beta test" the vanilla samsung GS2
good luck with your carrier updates. I'm done purchasing US phones "variants" that force you to use reorient kernels for the Roms.
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i'm pretty sure that anyone reading this isn't the type to wait around for the carriers.
boondoc said:
i'm pretty sure that anyone reading this isn't the type to wait around for the carriers.
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I have 4 lines (all smartphones) on my AT&T account and 3 of them are up for renewal discount
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I have 4 lines (all smartphones) on my AT&T account and 3 of them are up for renewal discount
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i've been off contract since Dec. i had originally settled on getting the Infuse when it was first announced but instantly fell in love with the SGS2 and decided to wait. but... i need a new phone NOW. actually i needed a new one 2 months ago but decided to hold strong for the SGS2... but it's come to a point where my current phone is damn near unusable, so i think i'm going to get the infuse when it launches and roll the dice on the sgs2 coming out before the remorse period ends. or failing that just give it back and wait some more for the sgs2 to release.
I think the best option for some of us is to buy the carrier branded version on contract, sell it, and use that money to get the vanilla SGS 2. After dealing with all the Captivate issues as well I'm never buying a carrier branded Android ever again.
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lol after dealing with the ATT Craptivate for a year I'll gladly "beta test" the vanilla samsung GS2
good luck with your carrier updates. I'm done purchasing US phones "variants" that force you to use reorient kernels for the Roms.
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not to mention the Craptivate looks ugly as hell and nothing like a SGS
If i was on att there would be no doubt id go with international like you said no waiting for carrier update, no carrier branding and missing hardware features.
I really wish carriers kept the design the same as the international it would be so much easier to update and to port roms
emuneee said:
I think the best option for some of us is to buy the carrier branded version on contract, sell it, and use that money to get the vanilla SGS 2. After dealing with all the Captivate issues as well I'm never buying a carrier branded Android ever again.
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Might do the same myself!
demo23019 said:
not to mention the Craptivate looks ugly as hell and nothing like a SGS
If i was on att there would be no doubt id go with international like you said no waiting for carrier update, no carrier branding and missing hardware features.
I really wish carriers kept the design the same as the international it would be so much easier to update and to port roms
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That's one point where you're crazy. The Captivate is the nicest Galaxy S and has a lot less plastic than any other one. Everyone has told me they liked the Captivate over the other Galaxy S variants. I've been very happy with the Captivate, but not as happy about the AT&T branding and waiting for their crap.
I would much rather spend the money and buy the phone unlocked than buy it from ATT.
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If i was on att there would be no doubt id go with international like you said no waiting for carrier update, no carrier branding and missing hardware features.
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Only issue I see with this is warranty support. If Samsung US would support a UK model fine, but if it requires international shipping that would give me pause.
What if the US version has NFC? Would that change your mind?
Yes, NFC is useless right now, but wouldn't that at least lower your resell value of the UK version whenever one else in your area has NFC?
MaelstromXC said:
What if the US version has NFC? Would that change your mind?
Yes, NFC is useless right now, but wouldn't that at least lower your resell value of the UK version whenever one else in your area has NFC?
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Given the fact (I hope) all 4 major carriers are getting it, and AT&T, VZW and T-Mob are in an NFC payment system alliance , the chances of US getting NFC versions are not extremely low
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What if the US version has NFC? Would that change your mind?
Yes, NFC is useless right now, but wouldn't that at least lower your resell value of the UK version whenever one else in your area has NFC?
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I don't see NFC being that important to me right away. I am guessing by the time it becomes important to me, I will already be looking at another phone.
Also, even though the UK might not be getting the NFC version, you probably will still be able to buy a NFC version unlocked from another country.
Hate to say it... but until the iPhone gets NFC it's not worth worrying about.
Devices still need to be upgraded in stores, airlines, and what not to accept NFC no? The above poster is probably correct, the phones are going to need to be widely available before companies spend the money to upgrade their equipment.
dinan said:
Hate to say it... but until the iPhone gets NFC it's not worth worrying about.
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Why, because the iPhone has the market share lead and will dictate what the market will do? No, that's Android.
This just makes me angry. Galaxy S 4G is getting an update to Gingerbread via Kies:
WHERE IS OUR UPDATE??????????
Do you think this update will help Vibrant development at all? Maybe Gingerbread GPS drivers can be pulled from it and work on our phone? 911 calling issue fix?
"Beginning November 15, a software update will be available for the Samsung Galaxy S 4G. The update will upgrade the device to Android 2.3./Software version T959VUVKJ6.
Devices upgrading to Android 2.3./Software version T959VUVKJ6 will benefit from various improvements based on customer feedback.
Devices upgrading to T959VUVKJ6 will benefit from:
Android 2.3(Gingerbread)
Google Security Patch
Camera enhancements
Wi-Fi enhancements
Note: The upgrade to KJ6 is NOT required. You may opt out of the upgrade and continue using software version T959VUVKD1.
Important:
This upgrade will not be sent to devices Over the Air (OTA / FOTA) - Instead, you must install the upgrade by connecting your Galaxy S 4G to a PC using Samsung Kies Mini software. "
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1810
Yup. It pissed me off too when I read it. I'm hoping that we can benefit from this update. The more and more I look at it, it is starting to turn out that I might as well just pony up the cash for a SGSII.
at this point I don't care about an update, the only reason I would be interested would be to better my battery life on miui. Oh well I will my have my sgs2 next week.
Why are you guys getting sgs2 when you can clearly see the lackluster costumer support from T-Mobile. You're going to be in the same situation in a couple of months with no ics. I hope your planning on getting the international version and not the T-Mobile version. Don't let your compulsion reward the T-Mobile execs who failed us. I don't know about you but with stable CM 7.1 eb streamline kernel and my added ffc I've got a phone that hasn't given any problems and given me all the features that I could want from any newer phone. Just my two cents, not meant to tell you what to do.
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Got a text today from T-Mobile, today marks 1 year of being a loyal customer. What a joke!! SGSII, I think I'll wait a coupla monthes, see what else they got.
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Why are you guys getting sgs2 when you can clearly see the lackluster costumer support from T-Mobile. You're going to be in the same situation in a couple of months with no ics. I hope your planning on getting the international version and not the T-Mobile version. Don't let your compulsion reward the T-Mobile execs who failed us. I don't know about you but with stable CM 7.1 eb streamline kernel and my added ffc I've got a phone that hasn't given any problems and given me all the features that I could want from any newer phone. Just my two cents, not meant to tell you what to do.
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EXACTLY what I was going to say! T-mobile smacks us Vibrant users hard, denying us gingerbread when other carriers are providing it to their Galaxy S customers, and our response is ... to buy a new, more expensive phone from T-mobile?
Not me. I would feel way too much like a $ucker. I'm not buying another phone from T-mobile. I'll go international on the SGS II or I won't go at all. And when my contract is up I'll remember how T-mobile snubbed their Vibrant customers.
To be fair Verizon is just as bad. It seems that the American mobile market is terrible compared to the international market. Say what you want about apple but at least they told the carriers to go shove a stick up their asses.
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There's a link in the update to a Mini Kies for Mac. Is that new?
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T-Mobile spit in our face they should at least allow us to get drivers
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Why are you guys getting sgs2 when you can clearly see the lackluster costumer support from T-Mobile. You're going to be in the same situation in a couple of months with no ics. I hope your planning on getting the international version and not the T-Mobile version. Don't let your compulsion reward the T-Mobile execs who failed us. I don't know about you but with stable CM 7.1 eb streamline kernel and my added ffc I've got a phone that hasn't given any problems and given me all the features that I could want from any newer phone. Just my two cents, not meant to tell you what to do.
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i'm getting one for $300 new and if its not up to par, I will sell it and make a profit. I want a bigger screen, the phone is fast enough for anything I'll ever do. Also there will always be something better around the corner.
If a car manufacturer sold 2011 cars that got a certain mpg, and in 2012 they sell that same exact car but they tweaked the way the car's computer was programmed so it got a better gas mileage, would the car manufacturer offer to reprogram your car's computer for free? Nope. Customers would pay more money on gas for as long as they own that car. Funny how nobody complains about free car engine computer upgrades that are available to similar cars with identical engines and computers (when it hits them in the wallet!), but we cry because our cell phones aren't upgraded to an operating system that is only available on different phones with different processors.
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Why are you guys getting sgs2 when you can clearly see the lackluster costumer support from T-Mobile. You're going to be in the same situation in a couple of months with no ics.
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The Vibrant got one upgrade, from 2.1 to 2.2; if we are going to base our future expectations on the Vibrant's history, we should assume the SGSII will get one upgrade - probably to ICS.
Now back to your question: why get a SGSII? I think that for the most part people are first choosing T-Mobile, and second choosing the phones T-Mobile has to offer. For the most part the SGSII is 'better' than the Vibrant, that's why people are getting one. In a year there will be phones that are 'better' than the SGSII and people will buy those phones. That's why.
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To be fair Verizon is just as bad.
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ATT is bad too. Can anyone name an American carrier that is awesome at updating their phones? You can name some examples from a specific carrier, but that same carrier will have phones that they 'should have' upgraded but never did.
Guys, be patient and wait for Galaxy Nexus. You would never have to wait again )
CharlieBoy808 said:
Yup. It pissed me off too when I read it. I'm hoping that we can benefit from this update. The more and more I look at it, it is starting to turn out that I might as well just pony up the cash for a SGSII.
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Buying a SGS2 On T-Mobile would be the worst mistake you could ever make. Didn't you learn a lesson from the Vibrant fiasco?
HTC and Motorola have both made statements on ICS updates. Samsung USA has not said one thing about ICS update. SGS2 on T-mobile is different from all the other variants of SGS2. SGS2 on Vibrant internals are so different that it probably requires a bunch of unique drivers not common to the other SGS2 variants. Trust me don't but the SGS2. You will be lucky to get ICS and if you do it will probably come a year from now, by that time the next version of Android will be out and Samsung will have LONG FORGOTTEN SGS2 on T-Mobile. Don't make the same mistake TWICE.
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Why are you guys getting sgs2 when you can clearly see the lackluster costumer support from T-Mobile. You're going to be in the same situation in a couple of months with no ics. I hope your planning on getting the international version and not the T-Mobile version. Don't let your compulsion reward the T-Mobile execs who failed us. I don't know about you but with stable CM 7.1 eb streamline kernel and my added ffc I've got a phone that hasn't given any problems and given me all the features that I could want from any newer phone. Just my two cents, not meant to tell you what to do.
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Perfectly stated!
From a chat session with t-mobile support:
Please wait while we find an agent to assist you...
You have been connected to ~Craig M.
Me: When will the Gingerbread update for the Vibrant be available?
~Craig M:* Welcome to T-Mobile live Chat. My name is Craig and I will be happy to assist you. For your reference my Rep ID is 1320828. Please give me a moment while I open your account.
Me:* Hi Craig. Thank you
Me:* I read this article today: http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1810
~Craig M:* I have read your question and will be more than happy to assist you with your request. For the protection of your account, may I have the last four digits of your social please?
Me:* ####
Me:* I would like to know when a Gingerbread update for the original Samsung Vibrant will be available.
~Craig M:* As per the article, the update will start being sent out effective November 15th, however this is for the Galaxy S 4G, which is newer than the Samsung Vibrant.
Me:* Right, I understand that.
Me:* Seeing as Vibrant owners already feel somewhat ripped off by the Galaxy S 4G, I was just wondering if the release of GB for the GS4G had led to any new information on the future release of GB for the Vibrant.
~Craig M:* Unfortunately, we do not have any information regarding an update for the Vibrant.
Me:* Lovely. Well if you could please pass along my interest to whoever you can I would greatly appreciate it. Getting awfully tired of picking up Android phones from t-mobile that never get the upgrades that were originally promised.
~Craig M:* I can certainly pass that along. Did you have any other questions that I can answer for you today?
Me:* No that's all. Thank you for your time.
if you want updates, get a Nexus.
Just that simple.
We were promised an update to Froyo. It took a bit of pressure to even have that released, but we got it. We were never promised an update to Gingerbread, so they have no obligation to give us one. And it makes no financial sense for them anyway, which is what it really comes down to. I'm not saying I like it, that's just the way it is. We will not be getting an update to Gingerbread.
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If a car manufacturer sold 2011 cars that got a certain mpg, and in 2012 they sell that same exact car but they tweaked the way the car's computer was programmed so it got a better gas mileage, would the car manufacturer offer to reprogram your car's computer for free? Nope. Customers would pay more money on gas for as long as they own that car. Funny how nobody complains about free car engine computer upgrades that are available to similar cars with identical engines and computers (when it hits them in the wallet!), but we cry because our cell phones aren't upgraded to an operating system that is only available on different phones with different processors.
The Vibrant got one upgrade, from 2.1 to 2.2; if we are going to base our future expectations on the Vibrant's history, we should assume the SGSII will get one upgrade - probably to ICS.
ATT is bad too. Can anyone name an American carrier that is awesome at updating their phones? You can name some examples from a specific carrier, but that same carrier will have phones that they 'should have' upgraded but never did.
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You are missing a big point here. Sure, nice car analogy, but what if you have a Toyota and they don't update your gas mileage, but Ford does update a similar model car? Would you still be just as likely to buy a Toyota next time?
That's what we have here. I have a Droid X and a Vibrant (and a Galaxy S 4G for that matter). The Droid X and Vibrant came out virtually within days of each other. I've had official GB on my Droid X for months now. Vibrant will never get GB. The Droid X also had Froyo months before the Vibrant. Both phones were released with Eclair.
So, when I'm getting my next phone, I'm certainly going to factor that in. I know Motorola/Verizon will be more apt to update my phone as compared to Samsung/TMobile (personally, I put more of the blame on Samsung than TMobile, but that's debatable).
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We were promised an update to Froyo. It took a bit of pressue to even have that released, but we got it. We were never promised an update to Gingerbread, so they have no obligation to give us one. And it makes no financial sense for them anyway, which is what it really comes down to.
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Not sure about that. Buy a Motorola/Verizon phone next time because you are more likely to get future updates and it does affect Samsung financially. I doubt that too many people will make that a big factor in their decision, but, over time, the bad reputation could start to have a deeper impact to Samsung's financials.
It all comes down to the finances. Motorola/Verizon bean counters calculated that the upgrade to GB made financial sense and Samsung/TMobile calculated that it didn't.
They're not giving us anymore updates. IMO this has been apparent for a long time. A $500 phone has pretty much become obsolete as far as TMob/Samsung are concerned. What I'm wondering is who's to blame? Did TMob drop the ball, or Samsung? Either way I'm leaving TMob, and won't be purchasing any more Samsung products. Screw 'em both. I will not spend hundreds on a new phone every year, which is exactly what they want.
Anyone interest in a Morotola, maybe take a glance and Motorola's Bootloader policy here http://blog.opticaldelusion.org/2010/08/clearly-you-have-no-idea-what-efuse-is.html and here http://www.droid-developers.org/wiki/Booting_chain.
Since XDA is abound with noobs and hackers, it should be known that the EFuse chip will not let you change your bootloader or run any type of FastBoot-OEM Unlock. Just letting you know it will trip the chip and brick instantly.
I came from a Motorola that was never scheduled to get a 2.2 update and we hacked it and created our own, but took some serious time and support, none of which came from Morotola or our carrier. In fact our carrier released their "official" version of 2.2 and when we broke it down, found our code in the libs, modules,...Since open source, what could we do?
Just an fyi to anyone that is wanting to move to a Motorola (albeit the Atrix boot unlock was leaked, but as far as I know, that is the only one in the whole Mfamily).
Samsung Galaxy S2 owners who bought their device SIM-free are at the back of the UK Ice Cream Sandwich upgrade queue, Samsung has confirmed to CNET UK.
And the reason you've been kept waiting? It's because Samsung is waiting for some mobile networks to finish testing the update, so it can be sure the software will work whatever network you're on.
SIM-free S2 owners will get the ICS update "once we've got all of the operator pieces on board", said Simon Stanford, VP of Samsung Telecommunications and Networks for Samsung UK and Ireland, speaking exclusively to CNET UK today.
The upgrade process Samsung has used to push out ICS to S2 owners means SIM-free devices can't be updated until all mobile networks have tested and approved ICS -- and since some operators are still testing and approving the update, some SIM-free S2 owners are still waiting to get Ice Cream Sandwich.
'It's got to work'
"We work in conjunction with our partners to bring ICS to the existing base -- that's primarily what needs to happen, whatever network operator that may be," said Stanford. "In this particular instance, the open market variant [ie SIM-free] you would expect to come out first."
Stanford confirmed, however, SIM-free S2 owners have been left twisting in the wind. "As an open-market customer you will be on a variety of networks, so it's got to work on whichever network you have chosen," he said.
SIM-free S2 owners -- many of whom shelled out extra upfront for an unlocked handset in the hopes of being at the front of the upgrade queue -- have in fact trailed operators such as Three, which was the first operator to release the ICS update. O2 has also now pushed out the ICS update.
"We were working with our operators to make sure that we brought it out to as many people as we can," Stanford added. "Vodafone we're expecting imminently [to release ICS]. Open market will be once we've got all of the operator pieces on board... It'll come at very much the same time."
'We don't want to disadvantage anyone'
Stanford would not confirm exactly how many SIM-free S2 owners have received the ICS update so far, nor give a completion date for the ICS update rollout -- he would only say: "We're really pushing it hard over the next coming weeks."
"It's always very tight, in terms of the testing processes and all the rest of it," he said. "It's not a switch in Korea and then the whole thing just activates every device that is out there... We work very closely with the networks to help them get ICS out.
"Everyone holds their hands up and says, 'Well, we need to do more in these instances.'"
Asked whether consumers would be better off buying a device from a network rather than SIM-free if they want to ensure they get future Android updates promptly, Stanford said: "In this instance [they would have been better off on a network]. Moving forward, I anticipate the upgrades will come a lot faster, at once, with everybody."
He added that it's not Samsung's intention to prioritise SIM-free device buyers in future, rather it wants to level the playing field so everyone gets the update around the same time.
"We don't want to disadvantage anyone, we don't want to say that they have to buy it from anywhere, we want everyone to have the same experience, whether or not it's open-market, network, to us they're exactly the same," he said.
'Communication can be managed better next time'
Stanford conceded that communications is an area where Samsung can make its own improvements. And he apologised to any SIM-free S2 owners who have been disappointed by how long it's taken to get ICS.
"The communication itself can be managed a bit better next time," he said. "It's just an ongoing process piece that we work very closely on to try and make sure we get it absolutely bang on so we apologise to anyone -- we really apologise to anyone -- who has been disappointed by this.
"We're always desperate to get [updates] out as fast as we can, there's no reason for us not to. We don't like to have unhappy customers, it goes against everything that we do. We do take it very seriously. It's communication sometimes we need to work on -- I accept that. That there needs to be perhaps more overall communication with the partners involved as well," he said.
"We are happy now that ICS is rolling out and those people that we've spoken to are very happy with it," Stanford added. "We're always looking for ways to speed it up -- with regards to Galaxy Note... the upgrade on that will be a lot quicker."
Are you still waiting for your SIM-free S2 to be upgraded to ICS? Let us know in the comments, or post your own update over on our Facebook page, and watch my video below to see what you're missing.
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/galaxy-s2-sim-free-owners-last-to-get-ics-samsung-admits-50007550/
We're all boned then. Orange can, and do, take months to release any updates, if they can even be bothered! They'll need to make sure that every last stinking piece of their foul bloatware can work on ICS.
Teppic24 said:
We're all boned then. Orange can, and do, take months to release any updates, if they can even be bothered! They'll need to make sure that every last stinking piece of their foul bloatware can work on ICS.
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I have unlcoked phone and i will just keep flashing other country firmwares untill samsung finsh testing it on all these networks
This is a joke in all fairness, however if you're on XDA there's no reason why this should affect your ability to get hold of ICS.
But, for the majority of the population (who aren't on XDA) this is just unforgivable.
Worth waiting for a finished ICS six months down the line . No way will i change to the current half baked versions .
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No issues on xlpq with Orange sim on Carphone Warehouse SII
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Network testing haha. Why have other countries got the unbranded update straight away ? But here in the uk we wait for the networks to test. I think uk networks have some sort of deal with samsung or it maybe to do with sgs3. But "waiting for networks to test" jus isnt gna fly cz that a lie.
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This really is a sorry excuse for logic. To really follow it would mean Samsung UK has to wait till ALL cellular carriers around the world confirm the UK SGS2 SIM-Free ICS update works with their networks?!
Otherwise, there *might* be some unfortunate UK SGS2 SIM-Free owner running ICS that encounters problems when he moves to Timbuktu and use his phone with the local cell network!
Samsung UK... YOU SUCK!
Does suck but how many ordinary citizens even know about ice cream sandwich, most people don't have a clue I bet a lot of people are still on the original firmwares that shipped with the phone. My sister wanted to go back to gingerbread as she thinks battery life on ICS sucked even though she got the official O2 update.
So for normal citizens who use a phone without worrying about updates this won't effect them but for us and other geeks and such its bothersome but hey that's why we come here and flash whatever comes our way from other countries regardless if it's final or not or buggy but because we can.
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Unbelievable! Why did I spend 650 dollars!
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Can anyone comment which is the best ICS stock unbranded FW version to use with SpoofFW on SGS2 XEU?
Poland, Russia, Luxemburg, Baltics, Cyprus...? Does it even matter?
cc999 said:
Unbelievable! Why did I spend 650 dollars!
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...because it's an amazing phone, one of the best available
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Unbelievable! Why did I spend 650 dollars!
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You spent the money on great hardware and rock solid gingerbread.
Free software upgrades to a complete new system are a relatively new thing. You can expect / demand updates to GB but to ICS I don't think so.
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Love the why did I spend money comments! And this update is FREE, remember when apple was charging to get the ios 3.0 update? Give it a rest, and if your sooooo adamant on getting ics, there are many available downloads right here on these pages. Otherwise, the 1% of s2 owners on this forum aren't going to make a blip on samsungs radar when the 19,999,000 are happy with there phones.
Relax, be happy, there are worse things going on in the world at the moment.
Have a nice day
Hey, I also sent this from my Galaxy S2 using Tapatalk..
If you look at it another way, Samsung are using everyone else as unpaid beta testers, so us unbranded people get a polished update. (Ok, I bought mine from T-Mobile, but I'm running an unbranded firmware.)
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We're all boned then. Orange can, and do, take months to release any updates, if they can even be bothered! They'll need to make sure that every last stinking piece of their foul bloatware can work on ICS.
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and? Just upgrade your phone now to ICS like I did
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ICS came out last year and 5 months waiting for what?
By the time we get ICS google is gonna release Jelly Bean and we are gonna be excited for a sec and then remember when we actually got ICS and be sad for another year until we get all new phones and same **** happens...
Amazing world we live in
What a load of crap.
Unbranded updates for Galaxy S and SII always came either first or alongside Optus release, here in Australia - Telstra only just released 2.3.6 last month and the rest of the carriers and unbranded was released many months ago.
It just doesn't add up. Track record shows this excuse is a total load of bs.
Why the hell isn't Samsung responsible for testing the carriers? For example Samsung Australia division should be totally responsible for testing the Unbranded version of all 4 carrier networks. These phones are not even sold by the carriers so it's not their responsibility !!
This is so damn lazy of Samsung.
Yeah right. They just dont want the carriers to ***** that others are getting the update before their customers are. Just like how they didnt want to make sure every carriers phone were working ok before selling people this device unlocked and just how they didnt care to update people after 2.3.4. My phone has had problems since then and samsung hasnt cared to update. This just leaves a bad taste in my mouth from samsung. I wanted the S3 but I dont even know if I want to buy a phone they arent going to update.
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Markbaja said:
Love the why did I spend money comments! And this update is FREE, remember when apple was charging to get the ios 3.0 update?
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That never happened. They never charged.
TheReverend210 said:
If you look at it another way, Samsung are using everyone else as unpaid beta testers, so us unbranded people get a polished update. (Ok, I bought mine from T-Mobile, but I'm running an unbranded firmware.)
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Yeah right. Unbranded devices never got updated past 2.3.4 and its been buggy. Anytime I restart my phone the icons move around and I have to move them back. Dont think you a moment you are getting a more polished update. You are getting the same update that has been psoted on here from some random carrier from a country you probably have never heard it. Pathetic Samsung. They even lied to us saying we would have it by the end of Q1.
Samsung UK are crap, exactly the same as when our GS2 was stuck on 2.3.3 and I knew for a fact that newer ones with the same product code were shipping with, or updating to 2.3.4, and all they kept saying was no update was available, just vecause they couldn't be bothered to fix the original HIDSWVER that they'd forgotten to add updates for.
In the end last weekend I flashed the Polish LPS onto it as it kept locking up, seems to be ok now. And the Polish LPS one includes the generic UK (XEU) and generic CPW UK (CPW), csc customisation packs anyway, so no reason at all for Samsung UK to be making up this BS. It even comes with all the UK network APN settings preloaded in it. I've never seen an unbranded update come after branded ones until this mess. Same as O2 on 2.3.6 with Gingerbread, and unbranded on 2.3.4 (or in my case 2.3.3). People buy unbranded to get a clean update, not to wait for all the branded crap to be tested.
We can expect this treatment with the galaxy note for sure...
Samsung Galaxy S2 owners who bought their device SIM-free are at the back of the UK Ice Cream Sandwich upgrade queue, Samsung has confirmed to CNET UK.
And the reason you've been kept waiting? It's because Samsung is waiting for some mobile networks to finish testing the update, so it can be sure the software will work whatever network you're on.
SIM-free S2 owners will get the ICS update "once we've got all of the operator pieces on board", said Simon Stanford, VP of Samsung Telecommunications and Networks for Samsung UK and Ireland, speaking exclusively to CNET UK today.
The upgrade process Samsung has used to push out ICS to S2 owners means SIM-free devices can't be updated until all mobile networks have tested and approved ICS -- and since some operators are still testing and approving the update, some SIM-free S2 owners are still waiting to get Ice Cream Sandwich.
'It's got to work'
"We work in conjunction with our partners to bring ICS to the existing base -- that's primarily what needs to happen, whatever network operator that may be," said Stanford. "In this particular instance, the open market variant [ie SIM-free] you would expect to come out first."
Stanford confirmed, however, SIM-free S2 owners have been left twisting in the wind. "As an open-market customer you will be on a variety of networks, so it's got to work on whichever network you have chosen," he said.
SIM-free S2 owners -- many of whom shelled out extra upfront for an unlocked handset in the hopes of being at the front of the upgrade queue -- have in fact trailed operators such as Three, which was the first operator to release the ICS update. O2 has also now pushed out the ICS update.
"We were working with our operators to make sure that we brought it out to as many people as we can," Stanford added. "Vodafone we're expecting imminently [to release ICS]. Open market will be once we've got all of the operator pieces on board... It'll come at very much the same time."
'We don't want to disadvantage anyone'
Stanford would not confirm exactly how many SIM-free S2 owners have received the ICS update so far, nor give a completion date for the ICS update rollout -- he would only say: "We're really pushing it hard over the next coming weeks."
"It's always very tight, in terms of the testing processes and all the rest of it," he said. "It's not a switch in Korea and then the whole thing just activates every device that is out there... We work very closely with the networks to help them get ICS out.
"Everyone holds their hands up and says, 'Well, we need to do more in these instances.'"
Asked whether consumers would be better off buying a device from a network rather than SIM-free if they want to ensure they get future Android updates promptly, Stanford said: "In this instance [they would have been better off on a network]. Moving forward, I anticipate the upgrades will come a lot faster, at once, with everybody."
He added that it's not Samsung's intention to prioritise SIM-free device buyers in future, rather it wants to level the playing field so everyone gets the update around the same time.
"We don't want to disadvantage anyone, we don't want to say that they have to buy it from anywhere, we want everyone to have the same experience, whether or not it's open-market, network, to us they're exactly the same," he said.
'Communication can be managed better next time'
Stanford conceded that communications is an area where Samsung can make its own improvements. And he apologised to any SIM-free S2 owners who have been disappointed by how long it's taken to get ICS.
"The communication itself can be managed a bit better next time," he said. "It's just an ongoing process piece that we work very closely on to try and make sure we get it absolutely bang on so we apologise to anyone -- we really apologise to anyone -- who has been disappointed by this.
"We're always desperate to get [updates] out as fast as we can, there's no reason for us not to. We don't like to have unhappy customers, it goes against everything that we do. We do take it very seriously. It's communication sometimes we need to work on -- I accept that. That there needs to be perhaps more overall communication with the partners involved as well," he said.
"We are happy now that ICS is rolling out and those people that we've spoken to are very happy with it," Stanford added. "We're always looking for ways to speed it up -- with regards to Galaxy Note... the upgrade on that will be a lot quicker."
Guys, do you believe them?
I don't!
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/galaxy-s2-sim-free-owners-last-to-get-ics-samsung-admits-50007550/[/QUOTE]
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Doesn't matter. We just need the update file and we can upgrade our phones ourselves using CWM, Odin, or whatever. I'm definitely on an unlocked International Note in the USA, so if whatever country comes out with official ICS first, most definitely our devs will get it to us quickly.
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adelmundo said:
Doesn't matter. We just need the update file and we can upgrade our phones ourselves using CWM, Odin, or whatever. I'm definitely on an unlocked International Note in the USA, so if whatever country comes out with official ICS first, most definitely our devs will get it to us quickly.
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If I've learned anything with android
When you buy a phone you better like the software version that's on it when you open the box..
It basically sounds like he is saying "We want to release as close to the same time so we will hold back sim free users till carries get done testing"
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He added that it's not Samsung's intention to prioritise SIM-free device buyers in future, rather it wants to level the playing field so everyone gets the update around the same time.
"We don't want to disadvantage anyone, we don't want to say that they have to buy it from anywhere, we want everyone to have the same experience, whether or not it's open-market, network, to us they're exactly the same," he said.
'Communication can be managed better next time'
Stanford conceded that communications is an area where Samsung can make its own improvements. And he apologised to any SIM-free S2 owners who have
"We are happy now that ICS is rolling out and those people that we've spoken to are very happy with it," Stanford added. "We're always looking for ways to speed it up -- with regards to Galaxy Note... the upgrade on that will be a lot quicker."
Guys, do you believe them?
I don't!
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Yes, I believe them.
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It makes a lot of sense.
Samsung dont roll out the new OS, the network operators do and they will only do that when they're ready to support the new OS.
Imagine the chaos and how pissed off the telco's would be if the hardware manufacturers rolled out software updates willy nilly and the telco's started to get flooded with support calls for issues created by a patch they didn't know about or hadn't trained their staff to deal with.
It doesnt worry me at all... once the first Telco releases an official ICS update I'm likely to get it and install it.
Regardless of which telco it was (actually I'd probably not install a Chinese or Saudi etc ROM... I don't trust those Gov's enough.).
My telco doesn't even sell or support the note yet... it hasn't slowed me down one iota and if you're even slightly savvy enough it wont slow you down either.
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This makes sense to me.
As I understand it, he is talking about OTA updates.
ie. regular Joe Blow customers that will update their phone when their phone tells them to update.
The networks can push it out to their customers first. Make sure it works on all networks, and then anyone left over will get it after that via Kies.
If you want to update your device earlier, you can upgrade it manually by downloading the upgrade yourself, but for the average user, it won't worry them and they'll upgrade when their phone tells them to.
All i can say is "meh". We need a leak of some kind. Give us that and i'll be rocking AOSP as long as my Note is pumping blood electricity through its veins.
The current ics roms are fine for me.... Maybe once the new premium suite comes out I'll try it for a little, but right now I don't really care how long it takes because I have something just as good if not better :thumbup:
If waiting a little longer for more stability and smoothness is all I have to do then I am fine with it. I am very satisfied with gingerbread as it is now.
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I wonder if a lot of people will flog their note cos of this and get the new iphone 5?
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That's kinda obvious. If the release is dependent on networks ( cause they need to test it ), it's clear that they will test and release "their" firmware first, and the one for evil guys who didn't buy a phone from them - will get it last.
But it doesn't really matter, does it ? We need at least one official release, for any network - cause frankly what we need most is the kernel, the rest they can stick up their.... Joking of course, but for good AOSP we really need just the kernel.
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"I wonder if a lot of people will flog their note cos of this and get the new iphone 5?"
I wonder what they'll introduce in iPhone 5, cause their latest releases were like "1-2 new features".
I actually don't believe this because Samsung, or any other company, develops their software and then offers it to the carriers to test their devices with the software. In the end it's the telecom operator that decides if the device will get the software that the developer has developed / offered.
Sim unlocked phones don't follow any carrier's decision, they get whatever the manufacturer decides.
I have a SIM unlocked Note, that came from Germany, and all I know is that of all the Notes that came out here, I know that the German unlocked devices have been the first to get OTA updates from Samsung.
I'm sure if Samsung deems a release acceptable, they will push it to their devices as well as offer it to the carriers. We get the updates faster because we actually cut out the middleman. It's months faster than buying a carrier locked device because the carrier doesn't need to accept the update. So I actually don't believe that they will update all the carriers before their own devices.
It's like Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream offering NEW flavors to Costco, Walmart and other stores before offering the new flavors in their own stores. Or Apple releasing new devices to Bestbuy before offering them online / in their own retail stores.
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I actually don't believe this because Samsung, or any other company, develops their software and then offers it to the carriers to test their devices with the software. In the end it's the telecom operator that decides if the device will get the software that the developer has developed / offered.
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Samsung just need to know if their ics works on the different operators network, nothing more. If an operator dont want to release the new ics, its just fine, it doesnt mean that its not compatible with their networks.
Just imagine, with all the different countries selling samsung mobiles, if the fact that a network operator decides he wont release an update can block the release for sim-free mobile, then we'll never get any official upgrade.
That's why unlock device always get update quick.
ARE there carrier locked versions in the UK? I got mine on o2, and I got the simfree version. Possibly because I went through phones 4u, however.
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ARE there carrier locked versions in the UK? I got mine on o2, and I got the simfree version. Possibly because I went through phones 4u, however.
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I dont think that even matters for us. AT&T got another model, but here we all have the same stuff. I bought mine unlocked but branded. I just flashed official unbranded stock rom and voila, non-carrier Note.