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SMS being split after 160 characters

Hi.
For some reason, all Sms that are over a certain length (looks like 160 chars) get delivered as 2 separate texts! This happens in the stock sms app and on Handcent. There is an option on Handcent that says 'Split 160', but this is for sending messages, and is set to 'Dont Split'.
Its getting really annoying because the texts just split a word within the the middle of it.
Anyone else have the problem??

This is the standard behavior of SMS... the protocol is limited to 160 characters. However the receiving phone should rebuild the message.

For me it does not split the mess, it (the one time it happened) converted it to an mms :-$ so the reciever (with an old phone) did not get it :-\
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Tjotte said:
For me it does not split the mess, it (the one time it happened) converted it to an mms :-$ so the reciever (with an old phone) did not get it :-\
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That's weird... I get the correct behavior and the message goes as MMS only if I attach an image

There is an option to have it convert to MMS if it's greater than 3 SMS's (I think).. on the premise that if your paying for your texts it will be cheaper to send 1 MMS than 3 SMS... you can switch it off in the menus somewhere.

murtz said:
Hi.
For some reason, all Sms that are over a certain length (looks like 160 chars) get delivered as 2 separate texts! This happens in the stock sms app and on Handcent. There is an option on Handcent that says 'Split 160', but this is for sending messages, and is set to 'Dont Split'.
Its getting really annoying because the texts just split a word within the the middle of it.
Anyone else have the problem??
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Yep i know what you mean the same happened to me 2 Days ago when i was texting with a Friend. Although it never happened before. All SMS over 160 Characters i got delivered in Split SMS. I thought it is a Error with the Cell Operator , the next Day all was back to normal again.

i got the problem when i type over 3sms it gets turnd into a mms

As lornova said above, the SMS standard limits each SMS to be 160 characters in ASCII or 70 characters in Unicode. This is called SMS concatenation.
Basically, if your SMS is over 160 characters long, your handset will split it over two SMS messages and send both. On the receiving end, the handset of the receiver will know that the two SMS messages are concatenated so it will join them together. This is transparent to both the sender and receiver so they will see it as one message.
Support for SMS concatenation depends on the handset (which most handsets support) and the operator's SMSC.
However, three SMS changing into an MMS is new to me. But since there can only be a maximum of two concatenated SMS, this is a clever solution.

I see. I guess the 'joining' isnt working properly on the X10 then! Is there a setting or something I need to configure?

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Basically, if your SMS is over 160 characters long, your handset will split it over two SMS messages and send both.
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That's not what he is talking about. As far i understand he talks about his RECEIVED sms over 160 characters get split on his Xperia not what he sends.
I can reproduce that error as it happens to me too. What i send perfectly stays in one SMS even over 160 Characters but sometimes SMS which i receive from others with like 240 Characters get split in 2 SMS on the Xperia inbox.

That's strange. I can't reproduce the problem. I sent a long SMS (200 characters) from a Sony Ericsson W980 to a Sony Ericsson X10, and the X10 managed to join it just fine so that it appears as one message.
It appears as one message on the stock Android Messaging inbox and on the chompSMS application.
It may not be the X10. Maybe your operator's SMSC does not support the concatenated SMS.

SMS unsplitting depends on the sending carrier
I have a Nexus One running Android 2.3 (CyanogenMod 7.1.0).
Long text messages (over 160 chars) received from Verizon phones get unsplit correctly, and I see them as one message. Long messages received from AT&T (the handset is an HTC Vivid running Android as well), are not recombined, and I see the as a bunch of 160-characters SMSes.
This is super annoying, but it looks like there's no app that can simply let me manually merge an SMS into another.

murtz said:
I see. I guess the 'joining' isnt working properly on the X10 then! Is there a setting or something I need to configure?
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I am no expert in this,but I believe x10 doesn't cause this,in my case and in where I live,I have never receive any split messages for quiet a long time already..(years...)and I often send and receive sms of more than 500 character and it is sent,received and displayed just fine.I strongly believe,this is due to your carrier,however,I just have no proof,and below is the screenshot me sending an sms to myself in more than 1000 characters,and I send,received and displayed just fine.
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Even before Android, SMS was 160 characters. Some phones had the options or only allowed one or more choices of: messages ends at 160 characters - end of message and the sender has to manually create a new message to continue (and you naturally get more than one message), the sender types indefinitely and the messages splits into 2 (or more) SMS, OR it changes into a MMS. This is not something the receiver has a choice on. It's the person's phone who sends the message and the options they pick (and are allowed) that cause this. Android is the same way... since SMS and MMS is still the same though I don't know what the MMS limit is.
There may be a carrier default (aside from the 160 SMS characters which is universal). Often there's options the sender either doesn't know about or hasn't changed. Many have unlimited text so it doesn't matter if they send 14 SMS messages at once.

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if it is a custom rom and it comes from a cdma handset this could be the issue as cdma doesnt support longer than 160,,, so it may cause such issues.
miui roms have issues like this sometimes.

Hi guys just my 2 cents, don't know the rates if an mms in ur country. But my advice if you are going to write a long mesh always use Mms as it gives u 1000 words n will cost you cheaper than sending a long mesg via SMS like 3 parts which will cost u more..n mms are just fine, u don't need to attach a pictures along with it. I can just use mms as a normal SMS if u want to write a big mesg....cheers
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Google Voice limit

O HELL no. This is unacceptable. Sorry google, if my sprint data is unlimited your messaging better be too...
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Interesting, ive used gvoice for years, my wife too. She sends hundreds of texts a day sometimes and we've never seen this.
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Kcarpenter said:
Interesting, ive used gvoice for years, my wife too. She sends hundreds of texts a day sometimes and we've never seen this.
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I thought the exact same thing. I noticed I was sending a few more messages today then usual, though. It went off for ~2 hours and now I can text again. Makes me think twice about completely ditching my phone for a tablet with google voice though..

I generally send ~6,500-7,000 texts a month using gvoice and haven't ever encountered this. Were you sending lots of them in a very short amount of time? I am wondering if an anti-spam feature was kicking in or something.

I would say it's a spam detergent kicking in. In the second picture the error message says "too many at once"
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wannabesean1123 said:
I generally send ~6,500-7,000 texts a month using gvoice and haven't ever encountered this. Were you sending lots of them in a very short amount of time? I am wondering if an anti-spam feature was kicking in or something.
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I don't even know how many I send (where'd you get that number?) but usually I text one or 2 people sun up to down replying every 3 minutes or so. Today I doubled that and messaged about 5 people and around 5:40 -ish I started getting this error. I was able to send one or two messages from Gmail to SMS, then that stopped working.

I get this message when I attempt to send text messages to too many contacts at one time via the google voice website or the google chrome web browser extension. I think the limit is 5 at once. I use google voice all the time for texting and that message doesn't have anything to do with your text messaging limit.
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mwilliams05 said:
I get this message when I attempt to send text messages to too many contacts at one time via the google voice website or the google chrome web browser extension. I think the limit is 5 at once. I use google voice all the time for texting and that message doesn't have anything to do with your text messaging limit.
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I was only sending to one at a time...

Guys, I have had this happen to me many a-times.
It's Google, it has nothing to do with Sprint.
I think it's more likely to happen if you are texting many different numbers in a short period of time, especially if they have a different area code than you.
The only way to text is to have them forward to your phone and text via sms on your phone. [not the google voice app]
It's really ridiculous.

I like how the immediate response isn't "I wonder what's going on?" But rather "OH HELL NOGRRBL".
I find there's an amazing absence of patience or even a modicum of good old fashioned benefit-of-the-doubt until you're sure of what's actually going on. If anything happens that even remotely inconveniences people, we default to angry entitlement and have to be coaxed and spoiled before we even consider the possibility of being willing to think about listening to any scenario that doesn't involve Google/Sprint/whoever being anti-consumer.
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I don't txt much but I've got this a few times myself after I switched over to google voice. Anti Spam?

golgothan said:
I don't txt much but I've got this a few times myself after I switched over to google voice. Anti Spam?
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Yeah, it is anti-spam and I think the algorithm is messed up.
There are two things that tick me off the most about this:
1) IT SHOULD NOT APPLY IF YOU ARE USING THE GV APP TO TEXT
2) IT SHOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT APPLY IF YOU'VE DONE THE SPRINT INTEGRATION
But alas, it's all up to Google to correct.

mattykinsx said:
Yeah, it is anti-spam and I think the algorithm is messed up.
There are two things that tick me off the most about this:
1) IT SHOULD NOT APPLY IF YOU ARE USING THE GV APP TO TEXT
2) IT SHOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT APPLY IF YOU'VE DONE THE SPRINT INTEGRATION
But alas, it's all up to Google to correct.
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If this it's a google voice rule, then it should ABSOLUTELY apply IF and ONLY IF you're using google voice... Why would Sprint interfere with google or vice versa?
And why would it matter whether you've done the Sprint integration? You're still using google voice devices via Sprint's unlimited data connection...
Besides, it kinda looks like he was sending the sane text to multiple recipients - perhaps that is what caused him to hit the limit so fast?
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styles420 said:
If this it's a google voice rule, then it should ABSOLUTELY apply IF and ONLY IF you're using google voice... Why would Sprint interfere with google or vice versa?
And why would it matter whether you've done the Sprint integration? You're still using google voice devices via Sprint's unlimited data connection...
Besides, it kinda looks like he was sending the sane text to multiple recipients - perhaps that is what caused him to hit the limit so fast?
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Because Sprint integration means you're using it as your primary line so of course thousands of texts are to be expected.
I've personally reached this limit before.
It seems to occur more often when I text multiple numbers not in my area code.
A friend of mine never gets this, she texts 4239472349834923 texts a month but never texts someone outside of her area code.
The algorithm seriously needs a redo.

I'm more confused then angry. There was absolutely NO warning at all of my "limit" running out. Or a limit being in place at all. And, as I've said, I wasn't sending to multiple recipients. Just one person. After I send that, I respond to another one. Not both at the same time.

You should ask Google Voice for a refund.

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You should ask Google Voice for a refund.
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You should ask Google Voice for a refund.

ugothakd said:
I'm more confused then angry. There was absolutely NO warning at all of my "limit" running out. Or a limit being in place at all. And, as I've said, I wasn't sending to multiple recipients. Just one person. After I send that, I respond to another one. Not both at the same time.
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Actually if you read the help/knowledge base at all you'd see a lot of talk about it.

Hangouts

So... MMS is not working on Hangouts. The reason being is because it uses its own custom apns.xml, with bad info. I suppose this is in regards to them not wanting to release source code? Why it doesn't revert to stock apn is beyond me. Anyone able to shed more light on this?

Steamer86 said:
So... MMS is not working on Hangouts. The reason being is because it uses its own custom apns.xml, with bad info. I suppose this is in regards to them not wanting to release source code? Why it doesn't revert to stock apn is beyond me. Anyone able to shed more light on this?
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Is this a common problem on stock ROM? Haven't heard this discussed yet...that's a bummer.

Common problem with any ROM, the app, and a mass of phones in general.

im also having the same issues, the come in as trying to download, but fails to download at all (no data is being sent or recived

And this is due to false and or failed apn. Hangouts resorts to its own instead of the phones. Edit in your actual APN values. I bet it will work. An alternate fix is to extract the apk, remove the apns.xml file, and repack. Thus making it resort to stock apns. Have fun. GL.

Unpacked com.google.android.talk-2.apk. Removed the apns.xml. Repacked and reinstalled. MMS working...
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Last step, Google, give me some free play credit... lol

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Can this be done on a stock ROM, unrooted? I can't seem to find com.google.android.talk-2.apk in my phone's storage.

You can do it yourself without root if you download the apk. It does install deeper though.

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Will this work on the Sprint variant?

Any

No luck yet
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Try this. Report back. File was too big for attachment. http://www.mediafire.com/download/w...le.android.talk-2.0.122%20%28904984-30%29.apk
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Alright, so I tried to install this as an update to Hangouts after turning on Unknown Sources, it prompts to install and then says application not installed. Tried uninstalling current release of Hangouts downloaded/installed through Play store, rebooting, and installing the one you linked to again. This time it installed, then immediately crashed during setup.
Running on Sprint LG G2 (LG-LS980) Hardware Rev. 1, Android 4.2.2 Stock ROM un-rooted (so far )

Use this one. My apologies.
https://www.mediafire.com/?th743vvcb1xc6g8

Steamer86 said:
Use this one. My apologies.
https://www.mediafire.com/?th743vvcb1xc6g8
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No apologies necessary my friend, on the contrary, thanks for trying to help me out here! That one installed no problem, and the first test I tried was downloading a previously received message that was "stuck". It still tried to download but never succeeded, just kept Retrying. I' waited for someone to send me a picture message to see if ones sent after the update was installed would work, but no joy. I then full uninstalled Hangouts, and used yours as a base install. This time it installed fine, but as soon as I clicked "Done", Hangouts crashed. Then every time I tried to launch hangouts, it would also crash.

Damn, that sucks. No clue why it would be crashing, pretty basic and only one file removed. Ben writhing perfect here. I am rooted though.

My problem is a little bit different.. I can send and receive MMS IF I enable the data plan. If data plan is disable..MMS cant send or receive anything.
Arent MMS supposed to connect to data automatically without us have to manually enable it (data)?

No. MMS use data. The carrier (if included in plan) negates it. It actually goes across the data network and does not auto switch. You won't get any MMS or standard internet services if in a non data zone unless on Wi-Fi or are using as app that supports MMS over a Wi-Fi connection. I was under the assumption that hangouts was supported, if sent to your actual hangouts id and not mobile number. The integration can be cumbersome to end users as it is not fully auto and can't really distinguish when you do or do not have a data or Wi-Fi connection. This is left to the user to distinguish. Best to let your contacts know to send MMS to your actual Google id. Just doesn't work that way. Why some prefer separate when not on MMS / data plans.

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No. MMS use data. The carrier (if included in plan) negates it. It actually goes across the data network and does not auto switch. You won't get any MMS or standard internet services if in a non data zone unless on Wi-Fi or are using as app that supports MMS over a Wi-Fi connection. I was under the assumption that hangouts was supported, if sent to your actual hangouts id and not mobile number. The integration can be cumbersome to end users as it is not fully auto and can't really distinguish when you do or do not have a data or Wi-Fi connection. This is left to the user to distinguish. Best to let your contacts know to send MMS to your actual Google id. Just doesn't work that way. Why some prefer separate when not on MMS / data plans.
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I could never get MMS to work in hangouts on the sprint lg g2... When I flashed to a custom ROM however, it worked flawlessly. Go figure.

asrulz said:
My problem is a little bit different.. I can send and receive MMS IF I enable the data plan. If data plan is disable..MMS cant send or receive anything.
Arent MMS supposed to connect to data automatically without us have to manually enable it (data)?
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I just tested this without enabling the data plan, and it works excellent. I'm having a d802.

Crap, was I drunk...lol. I have never really tested. I'm on Verizon, if I don't have some type of data enabled I will not get an MMS either way. 4G / data can be disabled, as long as I can get get a 3G for delivery.

[Q] No MMS After KitKat Update

Hello all! I'm having a problem I hope someone can help me with. I recently updated my Note 3 with the leaked KitKat build and while everything seems to be working fine, I have lost the ability to receive MMS picture messages. I can send them to anyone just fine, but have not been able to receive one since. My fiance has sent me several and I don't get the picture or any kind of notification of a new message. I've tried both the stock messaging app, and Handcent, no difference with either. Anyone out there have any suggestions? Thanks!

Try the Verizon messaging app from the play store. You can even access your messages from the Web and has a built in cloud backup.
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bpopilek said:
Hello all! I'm having a problem I hope someone can help me with. I recently updated my Note 3 with the leaked KitKat build and while everything seems to be working fine, I have lost the ability to receive MMS picture messages. I can send them to anyone just fine, but have not been able to receive one since. My fiance has sent me several and I don't get the picture or any kind of notification of a new message. I've tried both the stock messaging app, and Handcent, no difference with either. Anyone out there have any suggestions? Thanks!
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I had the same problem of sorts. Not sure if you could but I was able to get the picture message just not download it. I found that if I turned WiFi off and just went off cellular network it would download then though, but not when connected to wifi. Hope that helps.

I had the problem of sending mms with WiFi on with my Note 2, but no problems with mms at all on the Note 3 until the KitKat update. Is there a setting someplace that I am missing? It's weird that everything worked before the update.

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Alright, here's my story, after switching from Sense to CM11 when I first got my HTC One a few months ago things were working alright, then at some point I lost the ability to send or receive mms messages. I looked online and found that there were a few people with the same problem, most said the problem had to do with the apn settings, the solution to was either modified apn settings or using an alternate messaging program, such as 8sms.
Anyways, I tried several different apn setups to try and get my mms back, my LTE internet worked, but no mms. Eventually I found a setup that allowed me to send a mms to someone, but not receive one. I figured that was a good as I was going to get it.
After a few OTA nightly updates I decided to tinker with the apn settings again; my hope being that one of the new nightlies would have fixed the problem if I restored my apn settings to default. This didn't help and cost me the ability to even send mms. Needless to say I scoured the web to find usable apn settings again (I prefer to use the stock messaging app), eventually I ended up Frankensteining several together and found a solution that allowed for me to send and receive mms, as well as my LTE internet!
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Found APN settings that enable sending and receiving mms, as well as LTE internet (with a lte subscription, it's not a hack or anything).
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I know some people have connection problems including wifi, idk anything about that. This is just the set up I found that got mms sending and recieving working again.
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Get to 'APN Settings' by opening 'Voice Dialer' and saying clearly "Open APN", this will prompt you to open APN Settings, from there you can edit things.

bpopilek said:
I had the problem of sending mms with WiFi on with my Note 2, but no problems with mms at all on the Note 3 until the KitKat update. Is there a setting someplace that I am missing? It's weird that everything worked before the update.
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Fore me it works fine, i can send mms with wifi + data on. Did you fallow the instructions when you did the KK update...my suggestion is try to send the mms just using data but turn your wifi off, also make sure the receiver has the cellular data on if you are sending it to phone.
Hope it helps

Android Messages MMS broken on GS8 when Wifi is on

Unfortunately the MMS function of Android Messages is broken on the GS8 when Wifi is turned on. Unlike my Nexus 6, which is what I'm coming from, the GS8 completely dsables LTE/data when Wifi is on. And since Android Messages doesn't support Wifi, you cannot send/receive MMS messages. When viewing the latest reviews on the Play Store for Android Messages, I'm not the only one with this problem. I spent a good portion of my day yesterday trying to figure out how to keep data on when Wifi is on but no luck. And apparently this has been broken for a while because I remember going on a MTB trip to the actual mountains where there was no cell/data reception, and had to use Hangouts (ugh) to talk to the family since Android Messages won't talk over Wifi.
Not sure if there's a workaround, as I'm using Samsung Messages for now until Google (hopefully) fixes this.

I'm having the same problem, was just about to post about it and saw your topic. Hopefully they issue a fix for this, don't particularly care for Samsung's Messages app.

Thought LTE with WiFi on is a carrier setting? My T-Mobile phone doesn't have any issues and uses WiFi calling just fine also.
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My fiance's phone is having same issues with Google messaging app. Samsung app works just fine. She is using that for now.
We have reset phone. Activated new SIM card also.
I will not have her use Verizon message+ ever so I won't know if it's working.

Had the same issue. Turning wifi calling on and off did not make a difference.
I switched to using textra which works fine

Can confirm I have this issue with the google messages app; haven't tried with the samsung one.

Working fine on my S8+, Installed Google SMS app and its working fine on wifi.

Same issue using Android Messages

Does this mean that even if I disable wifi calling (Tmo variant s8), I won't be able to receive or make calls because data is disabled??

The Samsumg app works fine. It's Android Messages. Google needs to fix. I even turned on Developer Option and turned on the option to keep Data on while Wifi was on. Didn't make a difference. I reported it to Google, for whatever good that's going to do.

Same issues here. Verizon support told me it's because I'm using an app that doesn't support integrated messaging, but I know Messages worked on my S7 edge.
A new update hit APKMirror yesterday, but still having issues.

I had this issue using chomp sms. Found a post saying to change a setting in the app to have MMS behavior set to "system" instead of "legacy". It somehow fixes sms as well
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Doing a bit more research, I don't think this is an Android Messages issue, but more of a Samsung issue. I know that previous versions worked on my S7 edge, so I went back into the APKMirror archive and pulled out the release from December 2016. Still cannot send.
Samsung changed something with this phone release that is blocking Android Messages from working with MMS.

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Doing a bit more research, I don't think this is an Android Messages issue, but more of a Samsung issue. I know that previous versions worked on my S7 edge, so I went back into the APKMirror archive and pulled out the release from December 2016. Still cannot send.
Samsung changed something with this phone release that is blocking Android Messages from working with MMS.
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I agree, seems they changed other things that break things as well, such as this: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8/help/chrome-push-notifications-reliable-s8-t3595599
Hopefully we get some fixes...

Something else to try, i enabled Advanced Calling and i seem to be able to send/receive on wifi with using Android Messages. It is working for me at the moment but not sure if that is what actually did it.
Also not sure if "Advanced" calling has gotten better, lots of reports of poor audio.

I believe it has to do with VoLTE, which you cannot edit on the s8 like you could on the s7. I can send MMS while on a call when on a 'HD' call, but can not when I'm am not on an HD call.

I am having a similar issue with Textra as well when sending MMS

I switched over to Pulse in the meantime and it's actually a pretty good app. It allows MMS/GIF/etc over WiFi on the S8; almost as good looking app but has more features.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=xyz.klinker.messenger&hl=en

ElBeaner said:
I am having a similar issue with Textra as well when sending MMS
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Interesting. Textra and the stock Sammy Messages sends / receives MMS just fine on my VZW S8, but as noted above, Android Messages will not (and, I spent waaay too many hours trying to figure that out...).

tbcpn said:
Interesting. Textra and the stock Sammy Messages sends / receives MMS just fine on my VZW S8, but as noted above, Android Messages will not (and, I spent waaay too many hours trying to figure that out...).
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Mine seem to get hung up when I have Wifi on(taking longer to send and I don't see the cell radio turn on like I did with my G6