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Sony never disclosed name of 2 companies it is using to make screen protective glass for Xperia Z and ZL.... but my query is will it be stronger than gorilla glass 3 which is touted as "drop resistant " glass
see GG3 power here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2Mm9omndlU
I heard that Sony's tempered glass is supposed to be DragonTrail glass which is supposed to come from some company called Asahi or something (or was that a beer? I cannot recall:laugh.
Anyway from what reviewers said, Dragontrail is supposed to be 5 times stronger than Gorilla glass but I've looked all over the net and have never found any further videos from this company, nor came across anyone brave enough to do a drop test with this glass or even better, do a comparison video against GG2 or even 3 (if that's available).
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There was a pretty cool demo of Gorilla Glass 3 at CES I think, which said they were comparing it 'some' competitor's glass which showed how much more powerful it was.... but after meeting so many friends with the Galaxy S3 with broken glass on the front that had cracked (sometimes as easily as a light drop at the wrong angle) I don't believe any of the GG2 adverts anymore and think they're all very carefully controlled.
Would also love to see more info on this glass and it's actual strengths!
The gorilla glass 2 on the SGS3 is abysmally poor and it has completely put me off gorilla glass, I do believe there is a drop text video on YouTube for the Xperia Z and it looks amazing
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It is either shatter proof or scratch resistant.... cant have both at same time... thanx to the screen guard that sony puts on.... this video shows it... :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GzYnDnZDRg
Sony is not using dragontrail of GG according to Sony https://twitter.com/SonyMobileNews/status/289572752229285889
I have read somewhere on a German side( through google translate and with the little German languages knowledge I posses) that they tested it and that both the protector as well as the underlying glass wasn't as strong as dragontrail, though pretty close.
I agree...
Hmmm so much for gorilla glass? Hahaha! Gorilla grass turned into monkey barbecue with the last test lol!!!
And here's for Iphone 5 drop test
And to test if it's useful for military war hahaha
When i heard a Sony representative saying that they are using 2 different companies for screen protection , I assumed that one company makes glass and other company makes that preapplied screen protector. No company name said anywhere about Z and ZL
AndroidFreud said:
I heard that Sony's tempered glass is supposed to be DragonTrail glass which is supposed to come from some company called Asahi or something (or was that a beer? I cannot recall:laugh.
Anyway from what reviewers said, Dragontrail is supposed to be 5 times stronger than Gorilla glass but I've looked all over the net and have never found any further videos from this company, nor came across anyone brave enough to do a drop test with this glass or even better, do a comparison video against GG2 or even 3 (if that's available).
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There was a pretty cool demo of Gorilla Glass 3 at CES I think, which said they were comparing it 'some' competitor's glass which showed how much more powerful it was.... but after meeting so many friends with the Galaxy S3 with broken glass on the front that had cracked (sometimes as easily as a light drop at the wrong angle) I don't believe any of the GG2 adverts anymore and think they're all very carefully controlled.
Would also love to see more info on this glass and it's actual strengths!
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jameslfc5 said:
The gorilla glass 2 on the SGS3 is abysmally poor and it has completely put me off gorilla glass, I do believe there is a drop text video on YouTube for the Xperia Z and it looks amazing
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Riyal said:
I agree...
Hmmm so much for gorilla gass?
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I agree SGS3 was too much bad even when with gorilla glass 2... but discussion is about gorilla glass 3... which is stronger... and sony does not name company or technology it is using for screen protection in current generation.... that will make people lose trust
nikhiltanwar said:
I agree SGS3 was too much bad even when with gorilla glass 2... but discussion is about gorilla glass 3... which is stronger... and sony does not name company or technology it is using for screen protection in current generation.... that will make people lose trust
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Hmmm there are 2 reasons I could think of why they disclose this info...
1. It's a lie! There is no company and sony themselves is just the one making the glass.
2. They find the glass maker company great and decided to keep it a secret to avoid letting other manufacturers use the same glass.
Riyal said:
Hmmm there are 2 reasons I could think of why they disclose this info...
1. It's a lie! There is no company and sony themselves is just the one making the glass.
2. They find the glass maker company great and decided to keep it a secret to avoid letting other manufacturers use the same glass.
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yes i think its some company co owned by sony or something like that.
Xperia go was pretty strong in terms of drops n all... while Xperia S was not that much strong comparatively...Both were listed protection "scratch resistant glass"...i have no idea about Xperia T and V because they were not released in my region..... point is when they dont tell us what device is made up of what and where it can survive , how will people come to know.
Riyal said:
Hmmm there are 2 reasons I could think of why they disclose this info...
1. It's a lie! There is no company and sony themselves is just the one making the glass.
2. They find the glass maker company great and decided to keep it a secret to avoid letting other manufacturers use the same glass.
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Apple doesn't disclose who is making the glass for the iphone. and I think to do that as to make it easier to switch supplier or use multiple suppliers, so that is the third option
a forth option is that they really just use tampered glass and not a alkali-aluminosilicate type of glass used by dragontrail, gorilla glass and scott's Xensation.
if they do use a alkali-aluminosilicate glass or similar I think it could be Xensation glass as this is the only one not ruled out by Sony (that I know of)
Sony said they won't comment on supplier - it doesn't translate into "it's not Dragontrail". Maybe it is, maybe it's not. Most companies hide that - look at Samsung products - in some cases people believe that SX/Note X are using GG, but it hasn't been confirmed anywhere.
I honestly believe they used the best possible option - you don't build a full-glass phone, advertise it as super-durable, and build it from some cheap non-resistant glass.
Also, i really find comparisons to Gorilla Glass pointless and in my opinion GG is not that great to say the least. Had S2, Note 1 and Note 2 - all using GG1/2 and all of them got scratched pretty easily - friend's S3 shattered after waist-high drop, so we're not really amazed by it. I know, GG is good to have - but not having it is really not a problem, if you drop it on pavement - it will break. If it doesn't it's most likely because of good border/chassis shock absorbing properties, and not glass toughness itself. Look at Lumia 820 - people were moaning because it doesn't use GG, and it turned out that Nokia's solution is equally good.
So, Dragontrail would be great - if it's not, i still believe it will be quite durable. Tempered glass is used in automotive ( windshields ) and it survives A LOT of damage thanks to its shatterproof film and tempering. I think it might turn out pretty good - and if it turns out it breaks as easily as every other phone, then Sony will have a real reputation loss due to its advertising.
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Sony said they won't comment on supplier - it doesn't translate into "it's not Dragontrail". Maybe it is, maybe it's not. Most companies hide that - look at Samsung products - in some cases people believe that SX/Note X are using GG, but it hasn't been confirmed anywhere.
I honestly believe they used the best possible option - you don't build a full-glass phone, advertise it as super-durable, and build it from some cheap non-resistant glass.
Also, i really find comparisons to Gorilla Glass pointless and in my opinion GG is not that great to say the least. Had S2, Note 1 and Note 2 - all using GG1/2 and all of them got scratched pretty easily - friend's S3 shattered after waist-high drop, so we're not really amazed by it. I know, GG is good to have - but not having it is really not a problem, if you drop it on pavement - it will break. If it doesn't it's most likely because of good border/chassis shock absorbing properties, and not glass toughness itself. Look at Lumia 820 - people were moaning because it doesn't use GG, and it turned out that Nokia's solution is equally good.
So, Dragontrail would be great - if it's not, i still believe it will be quite durable. Tempered glass is used in automotive ( windshields ) and it survives A LOT of damage thanks to its shatterproof film and tempering. I think it might turn out pretty good - and if it turns out it breaks as easily as every other phone, then Sony will have a real reputation loss due to its advertising.
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Wonder what glasses does nokia use on their old nokia 5580XM screens It's very shock proof to the point I couldn't break it.
Akiainavas said:
Sony said they won't comment on supplier - it doesn't translate into "it's not Dragontrail". .
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they said "we don’t comment on supplier names but Xperia Z uses durable tempered glass that has equiv specs to Gorilla/Dragontrail"
that's at least implying that they don't use GG or DT.
Not that I care as long as it can survive the occasional drop
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Not that I care as long as it can survive the occasional drop
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We all hope it will Also, I wonder how much will it cost to replace broken back of front if it does break at some point. My only drop victim was iPhone, the first "2G" one - dropped it cause some b...tch ran into me and knocked it out of my hands Sold it for half the price of working unit so it all turned out well.
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We all hope it will Also, I wonder how much will it cost to replace broken back of front if it does break at some point. My only drop victim was iPhone, the first "2G" one - dropped it cause some b...tch ran into me and knocked it out of my hands Sold it for half the price of working unit so it all turned out well.
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I imagine it will be similar to the butterfly or the one X since it uses a similar technique to eliminate the air layer between glass en panel
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Sony said they won't comment on supplier - it doesn't translate into "it's not Dragontrail". Maybe it is, maybe it's not. Most companies hide that - look at Samsung products - in some cases people believe that SX/Note X are using GG, but it hasn't been confirmed anywhere.
I honestly believe they used the best possible option - you don't build a full-glass phone, advertise it as super-durable, and build it from some cheap non-resistant glass.
Also, i really find comparisons to Gorilla Glass pointless and in my opinion GG is not that great to say the least. Had S2, Note 1 and Note 2 - all using GG1/2 and all of them got scratched pretty easily - friend's S3 shattered after waist-high drop, so we're not really amazed by it. I know, GG is good to have - but not having it is really not a problem, if you drop it on pavement - it will break. If it doesn't it's most likely because of good border/chassis shock absorbing properties, and not glass toughness itself. Look at Lumia 820 - people were moaning because it doesn't use GG, and it turned out that Nokia's solution is equally good.
So, Dragontrail would be great - if it's not, i still believe it will be quite durable. Tempered glass is used in automotive ( windshields ) and it survives A LOT of damage thanks to its shatterproof film and tempering. I think it might turn out pretty good - and if it turns out it breaks as easily as every other phone, then Sony will have a real reputation loss due to its advertising.
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Sony clearly say it is not dragontail ... some mysterious tech.... hope it turns out to be a solid thing...
AndroidFreud said:
I heard that Sony's tempered glass is supposed to be DragonTrail glass which is supposed to come from some company called Asahi or something (or was that a beer? I cannot recall:laugh.
Anyway from what reviewers said, Dragontrail is supposed to be 5 times stronger than Gorilla glass but I've looked all over the net and have never found any further videos from this company, nor came across anyone brave enough to do a drop test with this glass or even better, do a comparison video against GG2 or even 3 (if that's available).
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There was a pretty cool demo of Gorilla Glass 3 at CES I think, which said they were comparing it 'some' competitor's glass which showed how much more powerful it was.... but after meeting so many friends with the Galaxy S3 with broken glass on the front that had cracked (sometimes as easily as a light drop at the wrong angle) I don't believe any of the GG2 adverts anymore and think they're all very carefully controlled.
Would also love to see more info on this glass and it's actual strengths!
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Dude, where did you come up with Dragontail being 5 times stronger than gorilla glass? What a load of rubish. It is aparently 6 times stronger than conventional glass, and I am certain Gorilla glass is not therefore 1 times stronger than conventional glass. The Vickers hardness rating puts Dragontail behind Gorilla glass, so in theory Gorilla glass should be more scratch resistant.
Gorilla glass 3 shows hardness and ductility in action. The harder the material the more brittle it becomes under certain stressors. The more ductile the material is the more impact resistance it will have and also be less brittle. So combine the two and you have what is demonstrated buy the Gorilla glass 3 vid.
Sony aparently have already used dragontail glass in a Xperia phone, so quite likely to be the case here. I am certain that most companies are being quiet about this due to contracts standing with Corning.
Not sure why people keep referring to shattered and scratched phone screens, these technologies reduce the risk not remove it, nor do any of them claim it.
danw_oz said:
Dude, where did you come up with Dragontail being 5 times stronger than gorilla glass? What a load of rubish. It is aparently 6 times stronger than conventional glass, and I am certain Gorilla glass is not therefore 1 times stronger than conventional glass. The Vickers hardness rating puts Dragontail behind Gorilla glass, so in theory Gorilla glass should be more scratch resistant.
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Exactly, that's a mistake. DT is said to be 6 times strongen than conventional glass, not gorilla glass. Also, gorilla is probably more scratch resistant, but DT conpensates for it with extreme durability and resistance to shattering.
www.youtube.com/embed/84z_BIrLlp4?e...19209/&html5=1&autoplay=1&vq=medium&start=129
this is the video of xiaomi mi2 murdered using saw and cutters.
this phone uses dragontail glass
www.youtube.com/embed/WpbOoQpwAFs?e...ds/xiaomi-mi2-protective-glass.19209/&html5=1
this one is a lab test video of the dragontail.
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Hey what sony wrote in HK XZ lauch event
on front it has Dragontail and on back it has gorilla glass
i think this is very much weird coz different strength for front and back .... i dont see what logic is there...
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics/13/02/xperiaz-gorilla-dragontrail/gsmarena_003.jpg
nikhiltanwar said:
Hey what sony wrote in HK XZ lauch event
on front it has Dragontail and on back it has gorilla glass
i think this is very much weird coz different strength for front and back .... i dont see what logic is there...
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics/13/02/xperiaz-gorilla-dragontrail/gsmarena_003.jpg
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I think the Dragontail glass is actually much stronger than gorilla glass, so it makes sense to protect the screen with the better material (which probably also costs alot more than gorilla glass).
nikhiltanwar said:
Hey what sony wrote in HK XZ lauch event
on front it has Dragontail and on back it has gorilla glass
i think this is very much weird coz different strength for front and back .... i dont see what logic is there...
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics/13/02/xperiaz-gorilla-dragontrail/gsmarena_003.jpg
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Is there someone that is able to translate this slide?
stefanve said:
Is there someone that is able to translate this slide?
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Here is the article
http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-xperi...glass-on-the-front-gorilla-glass-on-the-back/
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Here is the article
http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-xperi...glass-on-the-front-gorilla-glass-on-the-back/
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Yeah but that is based on a xperiablog article , which it self is based on a eprice article and I guess via google translate. So there could be something lost in translation.
http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/02/2...-glass/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.eprice.com.hk/mobile/talk/4551/49606/1/rv/sony-xperia-z-L36h-review/
The left side of the picture :
Front
enduranced and extra strengthen glass dragontrail
power and volume button
aluminum alloy
the four side
polycarbonate
hard , nicely endure pressure
high anti reflection surface
1/3 acrylic weight , 1/6 weight of glass
material that use for anti bullet glass and cd
The right side of the picture
back side
enduranced and extra strengthen glass Gorilla glass
high anti reflection surface
strong , light , thin
anti shatter
camera ring
steel
frame
glass fiber polyamide
strengthen glass xxxxx ( cannot read )
strong , resistant to heat
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press thx if it is helpful.
amerikian said:
I think the Dragontail glass is actually much stronger than gorilla glass, so it makes sense to protect the screen with the better material (which probably also costs alot more than gorilla glass).
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Depends what you mean by stronger. The vickers hardness rating of Dragontail is lower than Gorilla Glass. But typically harder quite often means more brittle, able to shatter. So the trade off are hardness and flexibility to adsorb impact and be scratch resitant.
Asahi dragontail glass is aparently aiming to be stronger than Gorilla glass. At this stage it appears that they are trying to gain market share from Corning, so would be highly unlikely that this glass will be much different in price.
I saw a demonstration of Gorilla glass 3, hard to beat that. http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/08/gorilla-glass-3-hands-on/ But I am sure dragontail are right on their tail if not already. No one seems to be claiming that their glass is the strongest, in fact seem to play it off to being similar in strength.
I am sure that Sony has some contract with Corning, which is why they are using this on their TV's etc, so I guess that they had to use at least some corning glass until any contracts expire.
With Sony being Japanese and Dragontail being Japanese I am sure it has a lot to do with Japanese loyalty and cheaper, and am certain that they will likely convert entirely over to dragontail in all their products in the future once any contracts expire.
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Depends what you mean by stronger. The vickers hardness rating of Dragontail is lower than Gorilla Glass. But typically harder quite often means more brittle, able to shatter. So the trade off are hardness and flexibility to adsorb impact and be scratch resitant.
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It's less scratch-resistant, but it's far more difficult to break.
I personally am glad they went for DT glass. I don't trust GG as I had 2 devices with GG1 and one with GG2 - each and every one of them scratched within 2-3 months, and believe me I treat my phones like eggs...
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frame
glass fiber polyamide
strengthen glass xxxxx ( cannot read )
strong , resistant to heat
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That'll be glass fibre
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Akiainavas said:
It's less scratch-resistant, but it's far more difficult to break.
I personally am glad they went for DT glass. I don't trust GG as I had 2 devices with GG1 and one with GG2 - each and every one of them scratched within 2-3 months, and believe me I treat my phones like eggs...
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M replying via htc flyer ... Gorilla glass 2... Scratched on first day... N that too a nasty one... Using a screen guard from that day... N i think i will use screen guard with xz too
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I'm wondering if they use different screen protectors for front and back maybe at the front a thinner one and a thicker one at the back.
Anyone know about whether the 6P use Gorilla 4th gen glass or not? Since I read some review said it does, but nothing mentioned on official site.
If it use Gorilla, I probably just leave the phone naked, it's so sexy with any case or film.
Yes it uses gg4, it's in the tech specs
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Anyone know about whether the 6P use Gorilla 4th gen glass or not? Since I read some review said it does, but nothing mentioned on official site.
If it use Gorilla, I probably just leave the phone naked, it's so sexy with any case or film.
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every smartphone since 2010 has used some form of gorilla glass. your statement is confusing to me. glass is inherently soft, therefore scratches are inevitable. i'm not sure GG4 will have much impact on daily usage.
640k said:
every smartphone since 2010 has used some form of gorilla glass. your statement is confusing to me. glass is inherently soft, therefore scratches are inevitable. i'm not sure GG4 will have much impact on daily usage.
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Really? I thought the GG4 is some sort of anti-scratch. I used screen protector on all my phones before, however I took it off from my G2 last year and so far so good. Without any film it feels better imo
AS I understand it, gorilla glass is very strong when faced with direct face hits, thus resistant to scratching. As such it becomes weak to forces from the sides which makes it more likely to shatter. The newer versions are more resistant to shattering but that still is their weak point.
The nexus team confirmed GG4 when they did the AMA on reddit
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bullshark8 said:
Really? I thought the GG4 is some sort of anti-scratch. I used screen protector on all my phones before, however I took it off from my G2 last year and so far so good. Without any film it feels better imo
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Use a tempered glass screen protector. Looks good, feels good, protects the actual glass. Film screen protectors are dead to me.
Glass display on smart phones are not soft. Glass is a ceramic. The problem is that dirt, sand, diamond, etc is harder and that can scratch glass.
Gorilla glass just does a treatment to harden the surface making it more resistant to scratches and leaving the internal glass "softer" so it can resist drops and impact that shatter.
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http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/en/news/News Releases/303
Press release on GG4.
Does anyone have issues with the camera glass scratching?
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nope , well protected by case
I do. When I bought the phone, during 2 days while waiting for a case the mobil was not covered by any kind of protection. I was very, very careful, beleive me, but then I saw some scratches on the camara glass... The scratches are thin and not seen easily, only from some angles but they are there.
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Does anyone have issues with the camera glass scratching?
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do you? Or your Q is just for stats?
I was surprised to see the screen seemingly scratch so easily. I have 2 weeks since I bought the phone and already has scratches on screen. I put it in the casing without harsh objects in my pocket. Feel pretty daft, as I really liked this phone, and I normally take real care, but that included case was much sleeker and comfortable to use than the chunky one. Feels like I have permanently damaged it (scratch won't 'wipe off', and can physically feel ithe groove of the scratch). If someone with Xiaomi Mi A2 has the same problem, please share here.
mine-s fine for now (used it for 3 weeks) you live near a beach? sand is the worse enemy of screens...
L.E. maybe add a screen protector anyway, you wont feel the scratch any more. (and probly not notice it either)
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mine-s fine for now (used it for 3 weeks) you live near a beach? sand is the worse enemy of screens...
L.E. maybe add a screen protector anyway, you wont feel the scratch any more. (and probly not notice it either)
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My scratch are very soft, and can be obeserved just on very powerfull light, like sun.
mike135566 said:
My scratch are very soft, and can be obeserved just on very powerfull light, like sun.
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The Mi A2 has gorilla glass 5, so keys or steel objects cannot scratch it. Things like granite countertops, diamonds, or sand can easily cause scratches. Theoretically the glass is just as scratch resistant as most flagships. I made sure I was getting some form of gorilla glass in my phone because many times I keep it in my pocket with my keys (just not thinking about which pocket has what in it). I haven't had a scratch on it yet.
I used mine around 3 wks and no scratch so far without screen protector. I normally put my phone in my pants pocket. Maybe you can check where you put your phone whether there's any sand or something hard that might scratch the phone screen
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The Mi A2 has gorilla glass 5, so keys or steel objects cannot scratch it. Things like granite countertops, diamonds, or sand can easily cause scratches. Theoretically the glass is just as scratch resistant as most flagships. I made sure I was getting some form of gorilla glass in my phone because many times I keep it in my pocket with my keys (just not thinking about which pocket has what in it). I haven't had a scratch on it yet.
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And in the sun light you don't observe any micro scratch?
I also notice micro scratches
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And in the sun light you don't observe any micro scratch?
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I haven't. I am waiting for my glass screen protector to get in anyways though. I recommend a glass one. They don't scratch easily and are really cheap. If you are concerned about scratches you should probably buy one. I got a 3 pack for 4$ on gearbest
using it for 2 weeks now. .screen looks fine no scratch so far but i'm thinking putting a screen protector just to be a safe
I can confirm that micro scratches happen very quickly, had 2 after 3 days of careful use. Very much doubt this is gorilla glas.
erostiff said:
I can confirm that micro scratches happen very quickly, had 2 after 3 days of careful use. Very much doubt this is gorilla glas.
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According to this and other threads it's the oleophobic coating of GG5 which scratches easily:
https://forums.oneplus.com/threads/micro-scratches-on-corning-gorilla-5.742823/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4Wtm3h4LdE
the redmi note 5 pro and the mi a2 have the exact same screen/front
like several phones... for me :
- screen protector and
- flip cover
Guys, please stop rage on this phone.
Oneplus 6 i had also scratches on the phone without a screen protector on my mi 8 to.
It is because gorilla glas 5 is softer than gorilla glas 3.
bassbounce said:
Guys, please stop rage on this phone.
Oneplus 6 i had also scratches on the phone without a screen protector on my mi 8 to.
It is because gorilla glas 5 is softer than gorilla glas 3.
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I read it's just the coating which keeps away the fingerprints that scratches easily on GG5
bassbounce said:
Guys, please stop rage on this phone.
Oneplus 6 i had also scratches on the phone without a screen protector on my mi 8 to.
It is because gorilla glas 5 is softer than gorilla glas 3.
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Nobody here is raging, just letting people know and yes, I've noticed the same on my phone as well, but I'm waiting for my screen protector to arrive anyway, so the scratches will be filled by the adhesive.