Sony never disclosed name of 2 companies it is using to make screen protective glass for Xperia Z and ZL.... but my query is will it be stronger than gorilla glass 3 which is touted as "drop resistant " glass
see GG3 power here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2Mm9omndlU
I heard that Sony's tempered glass is supposed to be DragonTrail glass which is supposed to come from some company called Asahi or something (or was that a beer? I cannot recall:laugh.
Anyway from what reviewers said, Dragontrail is supposed to be 5 times stronger than Gorilla glass but I've looked all over the net and have never found any further videos from this company, nor came across anyone brave enough to do a drop test with this glass or even better, do a comparison video against GG2 or even 3 (if that's available).
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There was a pretty cool demo of Gorilla Glass 3 at CES I think, which said they were comparing it 'some' competitor's glass which showed how much more powerful it was.... but after meeting so many friends with the Galaxy S3 with broken glass on the front that had cracked (sometimes as easily as a light drop at the wrong angle) I don't believe any of the GG2 adverts anymore and think they're all very carefully controlled.
Would also love to see more info on this glass and it's actual strengths!
The gorilla glass 2 on the SGS3 is abysmally poor and it has completely put me off gorilla glass, I do believe there is a drop text video on YouTube for the Xperia Z and it looks amazing
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It is either shatter proof or scratch resistant.... cant have both at same time... thanx to the screen guard that sony puts on.... this video shows it... :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GzYnDnZDRg
Sony is not using dragontrail of GG according to Sony https://twitter.com/SonyMobileNews/status/289572752229285889
I have read somewhere on a German side( through google translate and with the little German languages knowledge I posses) that they tested it and that both the protector as well as the underlying glass wasn't as strong as dragontrail, though pretty close.
I agree...
Hmmm so much for gorilla glass? Hahaha! Gorilla grass turned into monkey barbecue with the last test lol!!!
And here's for Iphone 5 drop test
And to test if it's useful for military war hahaha
When i heard a Sony representative saying that they are using 2 different companies for screen protection , I assumed that one company makes glass and other company makes that preapplied screen protector. No company name said anywhere about Z and ZL
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I heard that Sony's tempered glass is supposed to be DragonTrail glass which is supposed to come from some company called Asahi or something (or was that a beer? I cannot recall:laugh.
Anyway from what reviewers said, Dragontrail is supposed to be 5 times stronger than Gorilla glass but I've looked all over the net and have never found any further videos from this company, nor came across anyone brave enough to do a drop test with this glass or even better, do a comparison video against GG2 or even 3 (if that's available).
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There was a pretty cool demo of Gorilla Glass 3 at CES I think, which said they were comparing it 'some' competitor's glass which showed how much more powerful it was.... but after meeting so many friends with the Galaxy S3 with broken glass on the front that had cracked (sometimes as easily as a light drop at the wrong angle) I don't believe any of the GG2 adverts anymore and think they're all very carefully controlled.
Would also love to see more info on this glass and it's actual strengths!
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The gorilla glass 2 on the SGS3 is abysmally poor and it has completely put me off gorilla glass, I do believe there is a drop text video on YouTube for the Xperia Z and it looks amazing
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I agree...
Hmmm so much for gorilla gass?
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I agree SGS3 was too much bad even when with gorilla glass 2... but discussion is about gorilla glass 3... which is stronger... and sony does not name company or technology it is using for screen protection in current generation.... that will make people lose trust
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I agree SGS3 was too much bad even when with gorilla glass 2... but discussion is about gorilla glass 3... which is stronger... and sony does not name company or technology it is using for screen protection in current generation.... that will make people lose trust
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Hmmm there are 2 reasons I could think of why they disclose this info...
1. It's a lie! There is no company and sony themselves is just the one making the glass.
2. They find the glass maker company great and decided to keep it a secret to avoid letting other manufacturers use the same glass.
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Hmmm there are 2 reasons I could think of why they disclose this info...
1. It's a lie! There is no company and sony themselves is just the one making the glass.
2. They find the glass maker company great and decided to keep it a secret to avoid letting other manufacturers use the same glass.
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yes i think its some company co owned by sony or something like that.
Xperia go was pretty strong in terms of drops n all... while Xperia S was not that much strong comparatively...Both were listed protection "scratch resistant glass"...i have no idea about Xperia T and V because they were not released in my region..... point is when they dont tell us what device is made up of what and where it can survive , how will people come to know.
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Hmmm there are 2 reasons I could think of why they disclose this info...
1. It's a lie! There is no company and sony themselves is just the one making the glass.
2. They find the glass maker company great and decided to keep it a secret to avoid letting other manufacturers use the same glass.
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Apple doesn't disclose who is making the glass for the iphone. and I think to do that as to make it easier to switch supplier or use multiple suppliers, so that is the third option
a forth option is that they really just use tampered glass and not a alkali-aluminosilicate type of glass used by dragontrail, gorilla glass and scott's Xensation.
if they do use a alkali-aluminosilicate glass or similar I think it could be Xensation glass as this is the only one not ruled out by Sony (that I know of)
Sony said they won't comment on supplier - it doesn't translate into "it's not Dragontrail". Maybe it is, maybe it's not. Most companies hide that - look at Samsung products - in some cases people believe that SX/Note X are using GG, but it hasn't been confirmed anywhere.
I honestly believe they used the best possible option - you don't build a full-glass phone, advertise it as super-durable, and build it from some cheap non-resistant glass.
Also, i really find comparisons to Gorilla Glass pointless and in my opinion GG is not that great to say the least. Had S2, Note 1 and Note 2 - all using GG1/2 and all of them got scratched pretty easily - friend's S3 shattered after waist-high drop, so we're not really amazed by it. I know, GG is good to have - but not having it is really not a problem, if you drop it on pavement - it will break. If it doesn't it's most likely because of good border/chassis shock absorbing properties, and not glass toughness itself. Look at Lumia 820 - people were moaning because it doesn't use GG, and it turned out that Nokia's solution is equally good.
So, Dragontrail would be great - if it's not, i still believe it will be quite durable. Tempered glass is used in automotive ( windshields ) and it survives A LOT of damage thanks to its shatterproof film and tempering. I think it might turn out pretty good - and if it turns out it breaks as easily as every other phone, then Sony will have a real reputation loss due to its advertising.
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Sony said they won't comment on supplier - it doesn't translate into "it's not Dragontrail". Maybe it is, maybe it's not. Most companies hide that - look at Samsung products - in some cases people believe that SX/Note X are using GG, but it hasn't been confirmed anywhere.
I honestly believe they used the best possible option - you don't build a full-glass phone, advertise it as super-durable, and build it from some cheap non-resistant glass.
Also, i really find comparisons to Gorilla Glass pointless and in my opinion GG is not that great to say the least. Had S2, Note 1 and Note 2 - all using GG1/2 and all of them got scratched pretty easily - friend's S3 shattered after waist-high drop, so we're not really amazed by it. I know, GG is good to have - but not having it is really not a problem, if you drop it on pavement - it will break. If it doesn't it's most likely because of good border/chassis shock absorbing properties, and not glass toughness itself. Look at Lumia 820 - people were moaning because it doesn't use GG, and it turned out that Nokia's solution is equally good.
So, Dragontrail would be great - if it's not, i still believe it will be quite durable. Tempered glass is used in automotive ( windshields ) and it survives A LOT of damage thanks to its shatterproof film and tempering. I think it might turn out pretty good - and if it turns out it breaks as easily as every other phone, then Sony will have a real reputation loss due to its advertising.
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Wonder what glasses does nokia use on their old nokia 5580XM screens It's very shock proof to the point I couldn't break it.
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Sony said they won't comment on supplier - it doesn't translate into "it's not Dragontrail". .
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they said "we don’t comment on supplier names but Xperia Z uses durable tempered glass that has equiv specs to Gorilla/Dragontrail"
that's at least implying that they don't use GG or DT.
Not that I care as long as it can survive the occasional drop
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Not that I care as long as it can survive the occasional drop
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We all hope it will Also, I wonder how much will it cost to replace broken back of front if it does break at some point. My only drop victim was iPhone, the first "2G" one - dropped it cause some b...tch ran into me and knocked it out of my hands Sold it for half the price of working unit so it all turned out well.
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We all hope it will Also, I wonder how much will it cost to replace broken back of front if it does break at some point. My only drop victim was iPhone, the first "2G" one - dropped it cause some b...tch ran into me and knocked it out of my hands Sold it for half the price of working unit so it all turned out well.
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I imagine it will be similar to the butterfly or the one X since it uses a similar technique to eliminate the air layer between glass en panel
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Sony said they won't comment on supplier - it doesn't translate into "it's not Dragontrail". Maybe it is, maybe it's not. Most companies hide that - look at Samsung products - in some cases people believe that SX/Note X are using GG, but it hasn't been confirmed anywhere.
I honestly believe they used the best possible option - you don't build a full-glass phone, advertise it as super-durable, and build it from some cheap non-resistant glass.
Also, i really find comparisons to Gorilla Glass pointless and in my opinion GG is not that great to say the least. Had S2, Note 1 and Note 2 - all using GG1/2 and all of them got scratched pretty easily - friend's S3 shattered after waist-high drop, so we're not really amazed by it. I know, GG is good to have - but not having it is really not a problem, if you drop it on pavement - it will break. If it doesn't it's most likely because of good border/chassis shock absorbing properties, and not glass toughness itself. Look at Lumia 820 - people were moaning because it doesn't use GG, and it turned out that Nokia's solution is equally good.
So, Dragontrail would be great - if it's not, i still believe it will be quite durable. Tempered glass is used in automotive ( windshields ) and it survives A LOT of damage thanks to its shatterproof film and tempering. I think it might turn out pretty good - and if it turns out it breaks as easily as every other phone, then Sony will have a real reputation loss due to its advertising.
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Sony clearly say it is not dragontail ... some mysterious tech.... hope it turns out to be a solid thing...
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I heard that Sony's tempered glass is supposed to be DragonTrail glass which is supposed to come from some company called Asahi or something (or was that a beer? I cannot recall:laugh.
Anyway from what reviewers said, Dragontrail is supposed to be 5 times stronger than Gorilla glass but I've looked all over the net and have never found any further videos from this company, nor came across anyone brave enough to do a drop test with this glass or even better, do a comparison video against GG2 or even 3 (if that's available).
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There was a pretty cool demo of Gorilla Glass 3 at CES I think, which said they were comparing it 'some' competitor's glass which showed how much more powerful it was.... but after meeting so many friends with the Galaxy S3 with broken glass on the front that had cracked (sometimes as easily as a light drop at the wrong angle) I don't believe any of the GG2 adverts anymore and think they're all very carefully controlled.
Would also love to see more info on this glass and it's actual strengths!
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Dude, where did you come up with Dragontail being 5 times stronger than gorilla glass? What a load of rubish. It is aparently 6 times stronger than conventional glass, and I am certain Gorilla glass is not therefore 1 times stronger than conventional glass. The Vickers hardness rating puts Dragontail behind Gorilla glass, so in theory Gorilla glass should be more scratch resistant.
Gorilla glass 3 shows hardness and ductility in action. The harder the material the more brittle it becomes under certain stressors. The more ductile the material is the more impact resistance it will have and also be less brittle. So combine the two and you have what is demonstrated buy the Gorilla glass 3 vid.
Sony aparently have already used dragontail glass in a Xperia phone, so quite likely to be the case here. I am certain that most companies are being quiet about this due to contracts standing with Corning.
Not sure why people keep referring to shattered and scratched phone screens, these technologies reduce the risk not remove it, nor do any of them claim it.
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Dude, where did you come up with Dragontail being 5 times stronger than gorilla glass? What a load of rubish. It is aparently 6 times stronger than conventional glass, and I am certain Gorilla glass is not therefore 1 times stronger than conventional glass. The Vickers hardness rating puts Dragontail behind Gorilla glass, so in theory Gorilla glass should be more scratch resistant.
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Exactly, that's a mistake. DT is said to be 6 times strongen than conventional glass, not gorilla glass. Also, gorilla is probably more scratch resistant, but DT conpensates for it with extreme durability and resistance to shattering.
www.youtube.com/embed/84z_BIrLlp4?e...19209/&html5=1&autoplay=1&vq=medium&start=129
this is the video of xiaomi mi2 murdered using saw and cutters.
this phone uses dragontail glass
www.youtube.com/embed/WpbOoQpwAFs?e...ds/xiaomi-mi2-protective-glass.19209/&html5=1
this one is a lab test video of the dragontail.
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This has been confirmed by dozens of XDA members who have gone above and beyond to confirm that it is indeed Gorilla Glass in the Note.
Ever since the release date, the feud over Gorilla Glass began and it ended a week later. Dozens of members contacted Corning and they said that many devices with gorilla glass are not shown in their list.
®That was for all you going "CORNING SAYZ DA NOTE HAZ NO GORILLA GLAZS"
I have read numerous threads where users have contacted Samsung and have reached the conclusion that it is indeed gorilla glass in our notes. On pretty much all the tech sites, they all list the Note as having Gorilla Glass.
Gorilla glass is Scratch-"resistant" not Scratch "proof" and even if it was Scratch proof, it would not be impervious to everything.
Gorilla Glass isn't magic, it is Glass and like any other Glass, sand can scratch it because Glass is just super heated sand.
Now, to those saying "GORILLA GLAZS IS DESIGNED TO B3 scrATCH PROOF"
Gorilla glass was created in the hopes of reducing shock from falls, to preserve the glass, while also giving adequate scratch resistance.
Hopefully, this will encourage people to spend the $20 on a decent screen protector to protect the $260 screen+ digitizer on their Note.
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do you even know what gorilla glass is? even if the glass is made exactly the same way with exactly the same composition as gorilla glass, it's not gorilla glass unless corning says it is! do you have any proof that the galaxy note has gorilla glass? NO! geezz don't waste our time starting a new thread with absolutely no evidence
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do you even know what gorilla glass is? even if the glass is made exactly the same way with exactly the same composition as gorilla glass, it's not gorilla glass unless corning says it is! do you have any proof that the galaxy note has gorilla glass? NO! geezz don't waste our time starting a new thread with absolutely no evidence
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I own 2 other devices with Corning Gorilla Glass; an Acer W500, my Galaxy S2.
I honestly don't think you know what Gorilla Glass is. Google it.
Use the search bar and find the other threads if you want proof, or contact corning yourself.
PROOF
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note-4135.php
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"Your favorite device may include Gorilla Glass, even if you don’t see it listed. Ask your manufacturer or retailer to learn more."
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Pearl: I understand that you want to know if the Samsung Note phone has Gorilla glass or Normal Galss. Am I correct?
Bitter: yes
Pearl: Thank you for the confirmation.
Pearl: Would you mind holding 3 minutes while I gather the required information on your request?
Bitter: Take your time
Pearl: Thank you.
Pearl: Thank you for holding.
Bitter: Welcome back
Pearl: The Samsung Note has the Gorilla Glass.
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ph00ny said:
1. Gorilla Glass isn't scratch proof (SGSII has 0 scratches while captivate has a few)
2. Samsung and Corning has a partnership (joint company) and may not be using the gorilla glass name. (http://www.scp.samsung.com/)
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Why didn't you use the other 100 threads
GALAXY NOTE
http://www.scp.samsung.com/product/prdOLED/prdAm02.asp
It looks like they may be using the lotus glass instead of gorilla glass
http://www.androidauthority.com/corning-unveils-lotus-glass-29195/
Isn't this a good thing since lotus glass has much tighter property and better display features than gorilla?
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I own 2 other devices with Corning Gorilla Glass; an Acer W500, my Galaxy S2.
I honestly don't think you know what Gorilla Glass is. Google it.
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Gorilla Glass isn't magic, it is Glass and like any other Glass, sand can scratch it because Glass is just super heated sand.
Gorilla glass was created in the hopes of reducing shock from falls, to preserve the glass, while also giving adequate scratch resistance.
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Right! let me enlighten you a little, gorilla glass was never designed to reduce shock from fall, hence if u drop you phone sideways it will crack
gorilla glass isn't made just from sand like other glass, it has aluminium oxide in it (you know.. the stuff sapphires and rubies are made of)
pfft!
So it's magic?
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So it's magic?
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I know it is not magic when seeing the scratchS on my GNote.
Please stop it with the Gorillas will ya. All this Gorilla talk is making me loopy.
Jesus, therz some stubbornly persistent ppl.
Corning had a patent for making GORILLA GLASS. It doesn't anymore. Once the patent expires, big companies usually start manufacturing their own version of the ex-patented product. it's cheaper and most of the times better, cuz it fits their exact needs. Moreover, sammy and corning play together for quite a while now.
So, NO, the Note doesn't have GORILLA glass but it does have a glass that is the same or better.
chrz and let's hope for no more threads on that sbj. starts to feel like a teen-problem forum here
Maybe the mods can create a new sub-forum dedicated to debating the glass used in the Note. That way we can talk about glass all day long without the clutter of less important topics related to using the phone.
dscline said:
Maybe the mods can create a new sub-forum dedicated to debating the glass used in the Note. That way we can talk about glass all day long without the clutter of less important topics related to using the phone.
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lol. couldn't agree more.
On the Samsung Mobile Singapore facebook page, Samsung confirms that the Note has Gorilla Glass. This is the second time I've seen them say it!
http://www.facebook.com/#!/SamsungMobileSingapore/posts/10150556147512625?notif_t=feed_comment
I dont understand why people give so much fuss about this issue, ITS A NON ISSUE PEOPLE! Gorilla glass or not it still gets scratched!
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On the Samsung Mobile Singapore facebook page, Samsung confirms that the Note has Gorilla Glass. This is the second time I've seen them say it!
http://www.facebook.com/#!/SamsungMobileSingapore/posts/10150556147512625?notif_t=feed_comment
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Wow, thanks for that!
Now it's decided.
(Uh, do you think i'm being premature?)
I got proof!
I asked Samsung myself and they replyed with the answere: Yes, the galaxy note do have Corning´s gorilla glas. We´re sorry for not making this clear.
So there you have it!
Damn! I just dropped my Note on the street while walking.
5 foot drop. Scratches on the corners. Part of the plastic rim around one of the edges of the glass jumped away. Glass fortunately still fully intact. No scratches.
Phone operating as before.
Really bummed, but could've been much much worse.
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I dropped it on the concrete floor 5 times now, once from a height of 1,5 m - no damage what so ever. Thank-you Samsung for choosing Gorilla Glass.
I dropped mine ~4ft onto concrete when getting out of my truck and it's practically undamaged. The plastic edge around the screen is scuffed on two corners (which I'll buff out at some point) but the screen is spotless, despite having landed face down. I've enjoyed over 2 months now of a slim, sexy, clear, case-free and screen protector-free phone.
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I've enjoyed over 2 months now of a slim, sexy, clear, case-free and screen protector-free phone.
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After all the stories of scratched screens, I went ahead and got an SGP oleophobic screen protector for mine. While scratch protection may not be completely necessary, I will say that smudges are significantly reduced relative to my Galaxy Tab 10.1 with no SP. I'm actually sold on them after using this one.
Coincidence? Note 2's Gorilla Glass 2 can't even resist a minor drop, lol.
Corning will show off Gorilla Glass 3 at CES
Three times as tough
By Carly Page
Fri Jan 04 2013, 10:06
The Inquirer (http://s.tt/1xXuk)
GLASS BLOWER Corning has revealed that it will showcase its next generation Gorilla Glass 3 at CES in Las Vegas next week, which it claims is three times as tough as its previous version.
On its website, Corning took away the air of surprise from CES, telling the world that Gorilla Glass 3 will make its debut at the show next week. It told us what we can expect from the upgraded screen protection material, saying that it will be three times more durable than its Gorilla Glass 2 technology.
With three times more toughness, the glass supposedly will show 40 percent fewer visible scratches than before and come with 50 percent more shock resistant strength - good for those who are constantly dropping their devices.
That's not all Corning has got up its sleeve for this year's CES, as the firm will also be showing off its optical fibre technology.
Wendell Weeks, the chairman, CEO and president of Corning said, "This year at CES, Corning will demonstrate its industry leadership in specialty glass and fiber optic technologies with the introduction of two products designed to enhance and extend the capabilities of consumers' favorite devices."
"These new innovations build on the increasingly important and continually evolving role of highly engineered glass technologies in delivering improved product performance and functionality through touch capabilities, protective cover glass, and device connectivity."
Corning is promising to reveal all on 7 January. We'll be at CES in Las Vegas next week.
The Inquirer (http://s.tt/1xXuk)
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Coincidence? Note 2's Gorilla Glass 2 can't even resist a minor drop, lol.
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It's funny you mention this because my Note 2 has literally just dropped off a tom drum several times in row now and not a scratch. You win some, you lose some. That's with every phone by every manufacturer. Drop tests are pointless.
Its a bad state of affairs that we all spend a disproportionate amount of our time worrying about our devices glass screen.
Samsung have commited themselves to the race toward flexy OLED screens & it means (luckily for us) the current glass screens days are numbered.
What's corning gonna do when flexible screens are the norm?
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What's corning gonna do when flexible screens are the norm?
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Coincidence? Note 2's Gorilla Glass 2 can't even resist a minor drop, lol.
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who told u Gorilla Glass 2 has drop resist?
Pat. said:
Its a bad state of affairs that we all spend a disproportionate amount of our time worrying about our devices glass screen.
Samsung have commited themselves to the race toward flexy OLED screens & it means (luckily for us) the current glass screens days are numbered.
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What the hell is flexible oled gonna do? Samsung claims it will be virtually break proof and all signs are pointing towards going back to plastic. Unless they have some revolutionary mind blowing plastic, oops can't say that apple would be pissed, unless they have some.. **** it... revolutionary scratch proof plastic will the tradeoff be worth it? I am kind of mixed on the issue, but in the end if it still very tough and allows edge to edge screen protectors I am all for it. And I hope they don't have a bezeless phone like many people want. Usability nightmare waiting to happen. In case nobody has noticed, notice how big the bezels are on tablets still? Wonder why?
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I dropped mine from 1,5 meters to wood floor. Screen is cracked.
Now I'm waiting new glass...
The other day my Note II suffered it's first free fall - from 1.5 meters straight on a granite tile floor. My heart has skipped a beat but not a scratch, nothing broken, just a hardly visible dent next to the headphones jack. It that was an iphone I am sure it would have been shattered by the imact.
Now somebody tell me about flimsy plastic and how cheap the Note II feels
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and then going to be Gorilla Glass 4 then 5 then 6 then 7 and so on lol same crap
I feel even GG2 is plenty strong. 3 is really gonna rock. Here's a youtube video.
How tough is Corning® Gorilla® Glass 2? Corning puts it to the test.
I dropped my phone second day i got it.. it fell out of jacket pocket ( 1.3 + meters ) straight to wooden floor, and there was no dmg on the screen.. Just 2 minor scratches on bazel, nothing else.. Guess i was lucky...
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The glass is scratch resistant, not scratch proof, as mentioned a hundred times.
That said, I believe that gorilla glass is more resistant to hairline fractures and cracks going across the glass. Whenever I see a non gorilla glass crack, it's usually across one side of the screen. I've had three gorilla glass phones, I've abused and droppes them countless of times, but never scratched more than a centimeter at most. I do believe other glasses would have caused larger cracks...
All anecdotal of course, but to me it seems this way.
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What the hell is flexible oled gonna do? Samsung claims it will be virtually break proof and all signs are pointing towards going back to plastic. Unless they have some revolutionary mind blowing plastic, oops can't say that apple would be pissed, unless they have some.. **** it... revolutionary scratch proof plastic will the tradeoff be worth it? I am kind of mixed on the issue, but in the end if it still very tough and allows edge to edge screen protectors I am all for it. And I hope they don't have a bezeless phone like many people want. Usability nightmare waiting to happen. In case nobody has noticed, notice how big the bezels are on tablets still? Wonder why?
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I'm very confident that a plastic material as in a flexible screen will be just as scratch proof as my current note screen, after all i use a screen protector & like many people, i have never had to replace a screen protector due to scratching either.
Samsungs design problems with flexible screens aren't to do with concerns of interface durability, more so to do with keeping moisture out as a laminated Organic screen is destroyed if there is moisture ingress.
Jeezo how many times do people have to told gorilla glass doesn't make the glass drop proof, it means it's scratch resistant.
Sent from my Samsung Note II.
People also need to remember that a lot of phones these days have that oil-resistance coating or whatever it is to help reduce finger prints and make your finger slide across it nicely. So a lot of times the scratches people are seeing are scratches in that coating vs. the actual glass.
Also the person who mentioned about what's Corning going to do when Samsung brings out these breakable screens? Corning supplies products for all different kinds of uses. One example is in schools, where much of the glass for Science classes ie: test tubes, beakers, etc are all produced by corning.
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Jeezo how many times do people have to told gorilla glass doesn't make the glass drop proof, it means it's scratch resistant.
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That's what I've been saying but its kinda like bullet proof vests. Sure it'll stop a couple but technically they're not bullet "proof" either.
Gorilla glass 10 wouldn't be a match for the inside of my wife's purse. The second day she had her Galaxy Nexus (with a case and screen protector), she managed to damage both. Luckily the phone is fine, but I'd rather replace screen protectors and $2 eBay cases than an entire phone or screen.
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What is the verdict or opinion on dragon tail glass? I am sure other competitors have some comparable glass, just corning has a name and reputation.
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Gorilla glass 10 wouldn't be a match for the inside of my wife's purse. The second day she had her Galaxy Nexus (with a case and screen protector), she managed to damage both. Luckily the phone is fine, but I'd rather replace screen protectors and $2 eBay cases than an entire phone or screen.
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Not only is a woman's purse a black hole where everything vanishes into oblivion, it's also a death trap for anything that can be dented or scratched!
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Hey what sony wrote in HK XZ lauch event
on front it has Dragontail and on back it has gorilla glass
i think this is very much weird coz different strength for front and back .... i dont see what logic is there...
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics/13/02/xperiaz-gorilla-dragontrail/gsmarena_003.jpg
nikhiltanwar said:
Hey what sony wrote in HK XZ lauch event
on front it has Dragontail and on back it has gorilla glass
i think this is very much weird coz different strength for front and back .... i dont see what logic is there...
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics/13/02/xperiaz-gorilla-dragontrail/gsmarena_003.jpg
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I think the Dragontail glass is actually much stronger than gorilla glass, so it makes sense to protect the screen with the better material (which probably also costs alot more than gorilla glass).
nikhiltanwar said:
Hey what sony wrote in HK XZ lauch event
on front it has Dragontail and on back it has gorilla glass
i think this is very much weird coz different strength for front and back .... i dont see what logic is there...
http://cdn.gsmarena.com/pics/13/02/xperiaz-gorilla-dragontrail/gsmarena_003.jpg
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Is there someone that is able to translate this slide?
stefanve said:
Is there someone that is able to translate this slide?
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Here is the article
http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-xperi...glass-on-the-front-gorilla-glass-on-the-back/
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Here is the article
http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-xperi...glass-on-the-front-gorilla-glass-on-the-back/
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Yeah but that is based on a xperiablog article , which it self is based on a eprice article and I guess via google translate. So there could be something lost in translation.
http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/02/2...-glass/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.eprice.com.hk/mobile/talk/4551/49606/1/rv/sony-xperia-z-L36h-review/
The left side of the picture :
Front
enduranced and extra strengthen glass dragontrail
power and volume button
aluminum alloy
the four side
polycarbonate
hard , nicely endure pressure
high anti reflection surface
1/3 acrylic weight , 1/6 weight of glass
material that use for anti bullet glass and cd
The right side of the picture
back side
enduranced and extra strengthen glass Gorilla glass
high anti reflection surface
strong , light , thin
anti shatter
camera ring
steel
frame
glass fiber polyamide
strengthen glass xxxxx ( cannot read )
strong , resistant to heat
translate by xerox
press thx if it is helpful.
amerikian said:
I think the Dragontail glass is actually much stronger than gorilla glass, so it makes sense to protect the screen with the better material (which probably also costs alot more than gorilla glass).
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Depends what you mean by stronger. The vickers hardness rating of Dragontail is lower than Gorilla Glass. But typically harder quite often means more brittle, able to shatter. So the trade off are hardness and flexibility to adsorb impact and be scratch resitant.
Asahi dragontail glass is aparently aiming to be stronger than Gorilla glass. At this stage it appears that they are trying to gain market share from Corning, so would be highly unlikely that this glass will be much different in price.
I saw a demonstration of Gorilla glass 3, hard to beat that. http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/08/gorilla-glass-3-hands-on/ But I am sure dragontail are right on their tail if not already. No one seems to be claiming that their glass is the strongest, in fact seem to play it off to being similar in strength.
I am sure that Sony has some contract with Corning, which is why they are using this on their TV's etc, so I guess that they had to use at least some corning glass until any contracts expire.
With Sony being Japanese and Dragontail being Japanese I am sure it has a lot to do with Japanese loyalty and cheaper, and am certain that they will likely convert entirely over to dragontail in all their products in the future once any contracts expire.
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Depends what you mean by stronger. The vickers hardness rating of Dragontail is lower than Gorilla Glass. But typically harder quite often means more brittle, able to shatter. So the trade off are hardness and flexibility to adsorb impact and be scratch resitant.
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It's less scratch-resistant, but it's far more difficult to break.
I personally am glad they went for DT glass. I don't trust GG as I had 2 devices with GG1 and one with GG2 - each and every one of them scratched within 2-3 months, and believe me I treat my phones like eggs...
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frame
glass fiber polyamide
strengthen glass xxxxx ( cannot read )
strong , resistant to heat
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That'll be glass fibre
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Akiainavas said:
It's less scratch-resistant, but it's far more difficult to break.
I personally am glad they went for DT glass. I don't trust GG as I had 2 devices with GG1 and one with GG2 - each and every one of them scratched within 2-3 months, and believe me I treat my phones like eggs...
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M replying via htc flyer ... Gorilla glass 2... Scratched on first day... N that too a nasty one... Using a screen guard from that day... N i think i will use screen guard with xz too
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I'm wondering if they use different screen protectors for front and back maybe at the front a thinner one and a thicker one at the back.
#1: Camera. I expected a good camera producing decent shots under most conditions. What I got was a camera shooting good photos in certain settings and hands down crappy ones given some other settings. One of the biggest let downs is the poor color reproduction under low light conditions.
#2: Anti shatter film made from a soft material prone to showing tear and wear? Really, Sony? Ive had both Samsung and Apple phones with no protectors on them with minimal wear after many months use. This one month old Z1 already have several scuffs both back and front.
#3: Proximity sensor bugging out; this needs to be fixed asap.
I hope #1 & #3 can be taken care of by a software update, meaning Z1 really is one of the less annoying handsets Ive ever owned.
-KJ
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#1 shame but that's camera phones; i've found low-light performance to be better than i expected at least
#2 i much prefer having a film in place rather than risking my one-and-only panel to protect against scratches
i figure i'll peel the films off when the scuffs get too ugly
#3 i've had this problem too, proximity sensor application is pretty poor in the z1
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#2: Anti shatter film made from a soft material prone to showing tear and wear? Really, Sony? Ive had both Samsung and Apple phones with no protectors on them with minimal wear after many months use. This one month old Z1 already have several scuffs both back and front.
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As per its name, it's an anti-shatter film, not a screen protector (which protects against scratches and such). You can choose to apply a screen protector over the film, or remove the film altogether (and you'll get the same experience as per your Samsung and Apple phones).
This might be informative:
the most annoying thing is lack of developer support
coming from 2 HTC phones, sony feels like a huge let down in this regard.. certainly wont be buying another sony phone unless situation dramatically improves (which i doubt with all the bootloader problems..)
also the anti shatter film layer thing is pretty retarded on such high end phone and degrades it significantly - i now have to remove that ASF and put tempered glass protection on cause ASF is full of scratches and attracts fingerprints like magnet
never had those issues with HTC One X for which i never bought any kind of protection, just a standard pouch to insert it into - glass never got any scratches and was super easy to clean unlike Z1..
Ad for the cleaning part, Xperia Z1 is the easiest. Just wash it & that's all. I bet that you didn't try that out !
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how is washing the phone more convenient than swiping it on your clothes?
i cant wash my phone every hour while i am at work
i usually swipe my phones on my jeans when there are alot of fingerprints on it.. with Z1 it doesnt help
anyways, i already ordered Glass-M tempered glass so I will see if its any better with it..
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the most annoying thing is lack of developer support
coming from 2 HTC phones, sony feels like a huge let down in this regard.. certainly wont be buying another sony phone unless situation dramatically improves (which i doubt with all the bootloader problems..)
also the anti shatter film layer thing is pretty retarded on such high end phone and degrades it significantly - i now have to remove that ASF and put tempered glass protection on cause ASF is full of scratches and attracts fingerprints like magnet
never had those issues with HTC One X for which i never bought any kind of protection, just a standard pouch to insert it into - glass never got any scratches and was super easy to clean unlike Z1..
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i suppose you'd rather have your phone feel premium and with a cracked screen then?
no one is forcing you to keep the ASF on, it's there for you own device sake, while sammy and apple whould prefer you breaking your screen and pay 300$ for replace. yeep, retarded sony, i whould never buy from them again!
Furma said:
the most annoying thing is lack of developer support
coming from 2 HTC phones, sony feels like a huge let down in this regard.. certainly wont be buying another sony phone unless situation dramatically improves (which i doubt with all the bootloader problems..)
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This is my concern too - I was hugely excited when this thing was announced and have been watching the developments like a hawk, but nothing doing. Coming from Nexus phones I was hoping to hop ship and get some better media/camera features but it is looking more and more like I'm going to have to stick with nexus.
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i suppose you'd rather have your phone feel premium and with a cracked screen then?
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why would my screen crack if i remove ASF? screen is made of dragontrail glass that has almost same properties as gorilla glass
the only difference is, dragontrail glass isnt shatter proof, if i understand correctly and thats why sony is using ASF on top of it
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no one is forcing you to keep the ASF on, it's there for you own device sake, while sammy and apple whould prefer you breaking your screen and pay 300$ for replace. yeep, retarded sony, i whould never buy from them again!
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well sony IS forcing me to keep ASF on if i want to keep my warranty..
and how are samsung and apple making their users break their screens? you can also break Z1 screen with ASF if you drop it, it just wont shatter into pieces, but it will still break if using big enough force
i had HTC Desire and HTC One X that used "ordinary" gorilla glass - NEVER had a cracked screen and i never used any protection for my screen
gorilla glass is good enough
sony is really fcking it up with this plastic over glass design which is just making it ALOT easier to scratch the screen and decreasing its sensitivity..its bull**** - paying 600-700$ for a top of the line smartphone that has plastic on both ends
your arguments are pretty much invalid
Furma said:
why would my screen crack if i remove ASF? screen is made of dragontrail glass that has almost same properties as gorilla glass
the only difference is, dragontrail glass isnt shatter proof, if i understand correctly and thats why sony is using ASF on top of it
well sony IS forcing me to keep ASF on if i want to keep my warranty..
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I'm 51% sure that taking off the ASF doesn't void your warranty.
apparently it depends on the country you are from
in some countries it voids the whole phone warranty and in others it "just" voids the display warranty
either way, sony is the only manufacturer i know that puts plastic on top of hardened glass screens and its baffling.. why do that.. if dragontrail glass was so bad it needs ASF why not use gorilla glass? to save money? ok, then put it on cheaper smartphones, not top of the range ones..
Throw a tempered glass protector on it and call it done.
I mean, I get the complaints, but in the grand scheme of the device? Who cares.
Also, coming from a Nexus 5, I'd rather the Sony. The stock firmware does just fine, and is actually an improvement on pure stock AOSP. (for me at least)
Furma said:
why would my screen crack if i remove ASF? screen is made of dragontrail glass that has almost same properties as gorilla glass
the only difference is, dragontrail glass isnt shatter proof, if i understand correctly and thats why sony is using ASF on top of it
well sony IS forcing me to keep ASF on if i want to keep my warranty..
and how are samsung and apple making their users break their screens? you can also break Z1 screen with ASF if you drop it, it just wont shatter into pieces, but it will still break if using big enough force
i had HTC Desire and HTC One X that used "ordinary" gorilla glass - NEVER had a cracked screen and i never used any protection for my screen
gorilla glass is good enough
sony is really fcking it up with this plastic over glass design which is just making it ALOT easier to scratch the screen and decreasing its sensitivity..its bull**** - paying 600-700$ for a top of the line smartphone that has plastic on both ends
your arguments are pretty much invalid
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who told you gorrila glass is shatter proof? most cracked phones i've seen are samsung who uses gorrila, and how said dragontail isn't shatter proof?
either way non of of those galsses are shatter proof, they are scratch proof which makes them even more prones to shattering.. thats basics material engineering... you make something harder it also becomes more fragile... the hardest metals breaks to pieces when bent,
so anyhow sony does not put the ASF there because it uses lower grade glass, it puts it there so it won't break, and didn't you see the drop test the z1 had? it didn't crack it screen after 3 drops, all other phones that phonearena dropped cracked they glass on the third fall, also the glorious note 3 with the "shatter proof" gorrilla.
I think most of us understand why Sony use ASF, but that still does nothing to change the fact that the Z1 gets scratches a lot faster than other brand phones using screens with no ASF.
Also the lack of oleophobic coating on the screen underneath means that you will need to buy something from a third party vendor if you want a better user experience when you remove the ASF.
I feel this is a poor choice by Sony. There might be other reasons why they chose to use the ASF, but I cannot imagine why.
-KJ
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Just a quick update on the issues I brought up in this thread:
After I updated to 4.3, the camera takes much better pictures in low light conditions. It still struggles a bit to focus, but the pictures look a lot better.
Also I have not seen the proximity sensor bug out at all.
That means that #1 and #3 now are gone from the list. Add the Nilkin H+ tempered glass screen protector I bought from Ebay, and I must admit that this is pretty much the best handset I have ever owned.
-KJ
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mostly everything on the z (and i believe the z1) are fixable between root or xposed.
but i hate what sony did to bluetooth. does this happen on the z1?
recieve a picture or file with android beam, i have to wait a sec or 2 (sometimes long enough that beam almost or actually times out) for a confirmation message (tap to confirm incoming file)
what is up with that, nexus, samsung, htc don't screw up beams usefulness but sony did. haven't tried it in the 4.3 leak but i doubt that was dealt with. if it happens with the z1 is there any way to fix it besides an aosp rom?
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who told you gorrila glass is shatter proof? most cracked phones i've seen are samsung who uses gorrila, and how said dragontail isn't shatter proof?
either way non of of those galsses are shatter proof, they are scratch proof which makes them even more prones to shattering.. thats basics material engineering... you make something harder it also becomes more fragile... the hardest metals breaks to pieces when bent,
so anyhow sony does not put the ASF there because it uses lower grade glass, it puts it there so it won't break, and didn't you see the drop test the z1 had? it didn't crack it screen after 3 drops, all other phones that phonearena dropped cracked they glass on the third fall, also the glorious note 3 with the "shatter proof" gorrilla.
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thats like saying if your phone drops and hits a corner that it will crack.
a "drop test" is not 100% controlled, and a screen protector (ASF) can help reduce the chance for the screen crack by spreading the force of impact just enough to save the glass.
i got into a motorcycle accident with my nexus 4 (known for cracking easily) phone was in pocket screen out, it was in a thin micro fiber cloth in my pocket. the cloth had burn rubbed marks in it (like the fibers were gouged out) and the phone chrome trim was scratched, but nothing cracked.
dropped the phone plenty of times while recovering in bed, landing screen down on raised tile corners from ear height standing (increased pressure, likelier to crack) phone is good.
drops from thigh height while getting out of car at walmart, landed screen down on a pebble, screen cracks (salute the phone).
there are plenty of xperia z's with cracked screens from drops, and aparently bent z1's that happens mysteriously (could happen from pockets. my razr xt910 bent after a week or 2).
not to mention most drop tests have the z1 not crack, but it dies electronically. if the screen cracks atleast you can normally use it
i've dropped my z lots and i peeled the ASF off, i don't see it magically cracking and i could care less about the glass splintering off if it does crack.
worried about scratches? get a screen protector. it'll more than likely not scratch as easy as the ASF and you don't have to clean residue off the phone when you finally swap it if there was no ASF, but one or two in the box in all countries and oleophobic coating on the screen, everyone wins.
I like having the ASF on. I have a contract now for 2 years. If the display ends up scratched to he'll I can remove the film on the front and back and good as new. Also when you come to sell your phone when you upgrade alot of people are put off by scratches. Yes I know you can use screen protectors but surely that is the same as the ASF. Either way just my opinion. If you don't like it for what ever reason you can always remove it.
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I've received an answer from official Sony support staff over at the Sony Mobile support forums, on a thread regarding which type of glass is used for the Z3C. It turns out that for the display, both Gorilla Glass 3 AND Dragontrail X are used. Unfortunately, no info on the rear glass:
"For the display glass we use both Gorilla 3 and Dragontrail X but i'm afraid i don't have any detailed information about the rear glass."
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperi...ss-is-on-Xperia-Z3-Compact/m-p/838927#U838927
Is that a "and" or an "or"?
So those who have Gorilla glass breaks easily but harder to scratch.
Those who have Dragontrail scratches easily and harder to break?
Which? I heard users saying it is easy to scratch and easy to break! Perhaps, they are talking about the Z1 or Z2.
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Is that a "and" or an "or"?
So those who have Gorilla glass breaks easily but harder to scratch.
Those who have Dragontrail scratches easily and harder to break?
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That's what I'm curious about as well.
my guess that it may boil down to a matter of availability.
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Is that a "and" or an "or"?
So those who have Gorilla glass breaks easily but harder to scratch.
Those who have Dragontrail scratches easily and harder to break?
Which? I heard users saying it is easy to scratch and easy to break! Perhaps, they are talking about the Z1 or Z2.
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If this is true I think I may have gotten the Dragontrail version because I have been pretty careful with the phone os far and already have a small scratch on the upper right. I think I would choose scratch protection over drop protection in the end because scratches are drive me ****ing nuts.
So if yours is a Dragontrail, use PET film. If Gorilla glass, use tempered glass. Problem solved!
Just need to know about the backside. To date, no one makes a tempered glass for the backside.
Why PET for Dragontrail?
For those with true balls, give us a scratch test, attempt to scratch your device and post it on you tube LOL
Just received mine. If you squeeze the phone in the middle with your thumb and index finger, there is some flex. Almost feels hallow.
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So those who have Gorilla glass breaks easily but harder to scratch.
Those who have Dragontrail scratches easily and harder to break?
Which? I heard users saying it is easy to scratch and easy to break!
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Was that sarkasm or did you just make that up? Is there any valid source to back up this claim? Imo many people talking on the interwebs just have uneducated opinions.
/e: that sounded more aggressive than it was meant to, I didn't mean your opinion is uneducated =)
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Just received mine. If you squeeze the phone in the middle with your thumb and index finger, there is some flex. Almost feels hallow.
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That's completely normal.
Agreed. I am going to have a Case anyway if I
get a Z3 C and would prefer Corning GG 3 or GG2 as a known performer versus Dragontrail
which has a cool name but what is it ?
Godzilla Glass and Dragontrail sound good but give me GG3. Corning Gorilla Glass.
And give me a gel case with outer shell and I will add glass screen protectors front and back.
The Manager at Sony Store Miami which does not have Z3 or Z3 C yet mentioned " Tempered Glass " for the back as what Sony calls it.
Thanks for posting your experiences .
They use Both but you won't know Which is on your phone, like the z1c had Both jdi display and another lowcost brand so by chance you could get a superbright display or a not-so-good one.
Or they use none of both and Sony support just has no clue whatsoever
After 5 days I have absolutely no microscratches. I still put it in my pocket with other things (not keys though). In addition GG 3 also gets scratched by harder materials like sand, glass, concrete. If you have sand in your pocket or mineral dust it will be scratched if it's not made of sapphire glass (which would be scratched by diamond)...
I've had my phone for 7 days now and I checked under the bright lights at work and I have a bunch of micro scratches on the back, very disappointing. My phone is carried in my pocket by itself, or set on my desk so I have no idea where such scratches could come from. It's only on the back though, the front looks fine, so maybe they're using some inferior glass for the rear.
I think gorilla glass 2/3 or dragon tail doesn't really make that much difference....
I read somewhere the key is the strength retention after the glass has been scratched. I think Gorilla 3 perform better to retain that strength. All of the glass has very similar spec.
http://www.evolutivelabs.com/blogs/news/11840361-gorilla-glass-2-vs-3
Don't know if this deserved a separate thread but will post here as well.
Today I woke up and realized that my screen is broken. One think line. My guess that is happened yesterday cause phone touch was acting up in the evening but it's hard to see without much light.
My phone is in case, has a stock screen protector and was never dropped or impacted.
My guess that this is low quality from zony's side. Reminds me the crack that reviewers had on their back plate in one of the first review videos.
How is the front glass oleophobic coating?
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How is the front glass oleophobic coating?
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It's a smudge magnet. But my finger glides very smoothly on it and it's easy to clean. Usually it "cleans itself" in my pocket so when I take it out after having a walked around for a while, the screen is usually relatively clean.