Coincidence? Note 2's Gorilla Glass 2 can't even resist a minor drop, lol.
Corning will show off Gorilla Glass 3 at CES
Three times as tough
By Carly Page
Fri Jan 04 2013, 10:06
The Inquirer (http://s.tt/1xXuk)
GLASS BLOWER Corning has revealed that it will showcase its next generation Gorilla Glass 3 at CES in Las Vegas next week, which it claims is three times as tough as its previous version.
On its website, Corning took away the air of surprise from CES, telling the world that Gorilla Glass 3 will make its debut at the show next week. It told us what we can expect from the upgraded screen protection material, saying that it will be three times more durable than its Gorilla Glass 2 technology.
With three times more toughness, the glass supposedly will show 40 percent fewer visible scratches than before and come with 50 percent more shock resistant strength - good for those who are constantly dropping their devices.
That's not all Corning has got up its sleeve for this year's CES, as the firm will also be showing off its optical fibre technology.
Wendell Weeks, the chairman, CEO and president of Corning said, "This year at CES, Corning will demonstrate its industry leadership in specialty glass and fiber optic technologies with the introduction of two products designed to enhance and extend the capabilities of consumers' favorite devices."
"These new innovations build on the increasingly important and continually evolving role of highly engineered glass technologies in delivering improved product performance and functionality through touch capabilities, protective cover glass, and device connectivity."
Corning is promising to reveal all on 7 January. We'll be at CES in Las Vegas next week.
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winlinmac001 said:
Coincidence? Note 2's Gorilla Glass 2 can't even resist a minor drop, lol.
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It's funny you mention this because my Note 2 has literally just dropped off a tom drum several times in row now and not a scratch. You win some, you lose some. That's with every phone by every manufacturer. Drop tests are pointless.
Its a bad state of affairs that we all spend a disproportionate amount of our time worrying about our devices glass screen.
Samsung have commited themselves to the race toward flexy OLED screens & it means (luckily for us) the current glass screens days are numbered.
What's corning gonna do when flexible screens are the norm?
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Jamolah said:
What's corning gonna do when flexible screens are the norm?
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winlinmac001 said:
Coincidence? Note 2's Gorilla Glass 2 can't even resist a minor drop, lol.
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who told u Gorilla Glass 2 has drop resist?
Pat. said:
Its a bad state of affairs that we all spend a disproportionate amount of our time worrying about our devices glass screen.
Samsung have commited themselves to the race toward flexy OLED screens & it means (luckily for us) the current glass screens days are numbered.
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What the hell is flexible oled gonna do? Samsung claims it will be virtually break proof and all signs are pointing towards going back to plastic. Unless they have some revolutionary mind blowing plastic, oops can't say that apple would be pissed, unless they have some.. **** it... revolutionary scratch proof plastic will the tradeoff be worth it? I am kind of mixed on the issue, but in the end if it still very tough and allows edge to edge screen protectors I am all for it. And I hope they don't have a bezeless phone like many people want. Usability nightmare waiting to happen. In case nobody has noticed, notice how big the bezels are on tablets still? Wonder why?
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I dropped mine from 1,5 meters to wood floor. Screen is cracked.
Now I'm waiting new glass...
The other day my Note II suffered it's first free fall - from 1.5 meters straight on a granite tile floor. My heart has skipped a beat but not a scratch, nothing broken, just a hardly visible dent next to the headphones jack. It that was an iphone I am sure it would have been shattered by the imact.
Now somebody tell me about flimsy plastic and how cheap the Note II feels
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and then going to be Gorilla Glass 4 then 5 then 6 then 7 and so on lol same crap
I feel even GG2 is plenty strong. 3 is really gonna rock. Here's a youtube video.
How tough is Corning® Gorilla® Glass 2? Corning puts it to the test.
I dropped my phone second day i got it.. it fell out of jacket pocket ( 1.3 + meters ) straight to wooden floor, and there was no dmg on the screen.. Just 2 minor scratches on bazel, nothing else.. Guess i was lucky...
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The glass is scratch resistant, not scratch proof, as mentioned a hundred times.
That said, I believe that gorilla glass is more resistant to hairline fractures and cracks going across the glass. Whenever I see a non gorilla glass crack, it's usually across one side of the screen. I've had three gorilla glass phones, I've abused and droppes them countless of times, but never scratched more than a centimeter at most. I do believe other glasses would have caused larger cracks...
All anecdotal of course, but to me it seems this way.
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What the hell is flexible oled gonna do? Samsung claims it will be virtually break proof and all signs are pointing towards going back to plastic. Unless they have some revolutionary mind blowing plastic, oops can't say that apple would be pissed, unless they have some.. **** it... revolutionary scratch proof plastic will the tradeoff be worth it? I am kind of mixed on the issue, but in the end if it still very tough and allows edge to edge screen protectors I am all for it. And I hope they don't have a bezeless phone like many people want. Usability nightmare waiting to happen. In case nobody has noticed, notice how big the bezels are on tablets still? Wonder why?
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I'm very confident that a plastic material as in a flexible screen will be just as scratch proof as my current note screen, after all i use a screen protector & like many people, i have never had to replace a screen protector due to scratching either.
Samsungs design problems with flexible screens aren't to do with concerns of interface durability, more so to do with keeping moisture out as a laminated Organic screen is destroyed if there is moisture ingress.
Jeezo how many times do people have to told gorilla glass doesn't make the glass drop proof, it means it's scratch resistant.
Sent from my Samsung Note II.
People also need to remember that a lot of phones these days have that oil-resistance coating or whatever it is to help reduce finger prints and make your finger slide across it nicely. So a lot of times the scratches people are seeing are scratches in that coating vs. the actual glass.
Also the person who mentioned about what's Corning going to do when Samsung brings out these breakable screens? Corning supplies products for all different kinds of uses. One example is in schools, where much of the glass for Science classes ie: test tubes, beakers, etc are all produced by corning.
Tomo1971 said:
Jeezo how many times do people have to told gorilla glass doesn't make the glass drop proof, it means it's scratch resistant.
Sent from my Samsung Note II.
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That's what I've been saying but its kinda like bullet proof vests. Sure it'll stop a couple but technically they're not bullet "proof" either.
Gorilla glass 10 wouldn't be a match for the inside of my wife's purse. The second day she had her Galaxy Nexus (with a case and screen protector), she managed to damage both. Luckily the phone is fine, but I'd rather replace screen protectors and $2 eBay cases than an entire phone or screen.
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What is the verdict or opinion on dragon tail glass? I am sure other competitors have some comparable glass, just corning has a name and reputation.
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Gorilla glass 10 wouldn't be a match for the inside of my wife's purse. The second day she had her Galaxy Nexus (with a case and screen protector), she managed to damage both. Luckily the phone is fine, but I'd rather replace screen protectors and $2 eBay cases than an entire phone or screen.
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Not only is a woman's purse a black hole where everything vanishes into oblivion, it's also a death trap for anything that can be dented or scratched!
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This has been confirmed by dozens of XDA members who have gone above and beyond to confirm that it is indeed Gorilla Glass in the Note.
Ever since the release date, the feud over Gorilla Glass began and it ended a week later. Dozens of members contacted Corning and they said that many devices with gorilla glass are not shown in their list.
®That was for all you going "CORNING SAYZ DA NOTE HAZ NO GORILLA GLAZS"
I have read numerous threads where users have contacted Samsung and have reached the conclusion that it is indeed gorilla glass in our notes. On pretty much all the tech sites, they all list the Note as having Gorilla Glass.
Gorilla glass is Scratch-"resistant" not Scratch "proof" and even if it was Scratch proof, it would not be impervious to everything.
Gorilla Glass isn't magic, it is Glass and like any other Glass, sand can scratch it because Glass is just super heated sand.
Now, to those saying "GORILLA GLAZS IS DESIGNED TO B3 scrATCH PROOF"
Gorilla glass was created in the hopes of reducing shock from falls, to preserve the glass, while also giving adequate scratch resistance.
Hopefully, this will encourage people to spend the $20 on a decent screen protector to protect the $260 screen+ digitizer on their Note.
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do you even know what gorilla glass is? even if the glass is made exactly the same way with exactly the same composition as gorilla glass, it's not gorilla glass unless corning says it is! do you have any proof that the galaxy note has gorilla glass? NO! geezz don't waste our time starting a new thread with absolutely no evidence
bamboo12 said:
do you even know what gorilla glass is? even if the glass is made exactly the same way with exactly the same composition as gorilla glass, it's not gorilla glass unless corning says it is! do you have any proof that the galaxy note has gorilla glass? NO! geezz don't waste our time starting a new thread with absolutely no evidence
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I own 2 other devices with Corning Gorilla Glass; an Acer W500, my Galaxy S2.
I honestly don't think you know what Gorilla Glass is. Google it.
Use the search bar and find the other threads if you want proof, or contact corning yourself.
PROOF
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note-4135.php
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DocRambone said:
"Your favorite device may include Gorilla Glass, even if you don’t see it listed. Ask your manufacturer or retailer to learn more."
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Samsung Rep Conversation
Pearl: I understand that you want to know if the Samsung Note phone has Gorilla glass or Normal Galss. Am I correct?
Bitter: yes
Pearl: Thank you for the confirmation.
Pearl: Would you mind holding 3 minutes while I gather the required information on your request?
Bitter: Take your time
Pearl: Thank you.
Pearl: Thank you for holding.
Bitter: Welcome back
Pearl: The Samsung Note has the Gorilla Glass.
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ph00ny said:
1. Gorilla Glass isn't scratch proof (SGSII has 0 scratches while captivate has a few)
2. Samsung and Corning has a partnership (joint company) and may not be using the gorilla glass name. (http://www.scp.samsung.com/)
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Why didn't you use the other 100 threads
GALAXY NOTE
http://www.scp.samsung.com/product/prdOLED/prdAm02.asp
It looks like they may be using the lotus glass instead of gorilla glass
http://www.androidauthority.com/corning-unveils-lotus-glass-29195/
Isn't this a good thing since lotus glass has much tighter property and better display features than gorilla?
xAnimal5 said:
I own 2 other devices with Corning Gorilla Glass; an Acer W500, my Galaxy S2.
I honestly don't think you know what Gorilla Glass is. Google it.
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Gorilla Glass isn't magic, it is Glass and like any other Glass, sand can scratch it because Glass is just super heated sand.
Gorilla glass was created in the hopes of reducing shock from falls, to preserve the glass, while also giving adequate scratch resistance.
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Right! let me enlighten you a little, gorilla glass was never designed to reduce shock from fall, hence if u drop you phone sideways it will crack
gorilla glass isn't made just from sand like other glass, it has aluminium oxide in it (you know.. the stuff sapphires and rubies are made of)
pfft!
So it's magic?
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Goonish said:
So it's magic?
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I know it is not magic when seeing the scratchS on my GNote.
Please stop it with the Gorillas will ya. All this Gorilla talk is making me loopy.
Jesus, therz some stubbornly persistent ppl.
Corning had a patent for making GORILLA GLASS. It doesn't anymore. Once the patent expires, big companies usually start manufacturing their own version of the ex-patented product. it's cheaper and most of the times better, cuz it fits their exact needs. Moreover, sammy and corning play together for quite a while now.
So, NO, the Note doesn't have GORILLA glass but it does have a glass that is the same or better.
chrz and let's hope for no more threads on that sbj. starts to feel like a teen-problem forum here
Maybe the mods can create a new sub-forum dedicated to debating the glass used in the Note. That way we can talk about glass all day long without the clutter of less important topics related to using the phone.
dscline said:
Maybe the mods can create a new sub-forum dedicated to debating the glass used in the Note. That way we can talk about glass all day long without the clutter of less important topics related to using the phone.
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lol. couldn't agree more.
On the Samsung Mobile Singapore facebook page, Samsung confirms that the Note has Gorilla Glass. This is the second time I've seen them say it!
http://www.facebook.com/#!/SamsungMobileSingapore/posts/10150556147512625?notif_t=feed_comment
I dont understand why people give so much fuss about this issue, ITS A NON ISSUE PEOPLE! Gorilla glass or not it still gets scratched!
holgalee said:
On the Samsung Mobile Singapore facebook page, Samsung confirms that the Note has Gorilla Glass. This is the second time I've seen them say it!
http://www.facebook.com/#!/SamsungMobileSingapore/posts/10150556147512625?notif_t=feed_comment
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Wow, thanks for that!
Now it's decided.
(Uh, do you think i'm being premature?)
I got proof!
I asked Samsung myself and they replyed with the answere: Yes, the galaxy note do have Corning´s gorilla glas. We´re sorry for not making this clear.
So there you have it!
Damn! I just dropped my Note on the street while walking.
5 foot drop. Scratches on the corners. Part of the plastic rim around one of the edges of the glass jumped away. Glass fortunately still fully intact. No scratches.
Phone operating as before.
Really bummed, but could've been much much worse.
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I dropped it on the concrete floor 5 times now, once from a height of 1,5 m - no damage what so ever. Thank-you Samsung for choosing Gorilla Glass.
I dropped mine ~4ft onto concrete when getting out of my truck and it's practically undamaged. The plastic edge around the screen is scuffed on two corners (which I'll buff out at some point) but the screen is spotless, despite having landed face down. I've enjoyed over 2 months now of a slim, sexy, clear, case-free and screen protector-free phone.
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I've enjoyed over 2 months now of a slim, sexy, clear, case-free and screen protector-free phone.
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After all the stories of scratched screens, I went ahead and got an SGP oleophobic screen protector for mine. While scratch protection may not be completely necessary, I will say that smudges are significantly reduced relative to my Galaxy Tab 10.1 with no SP. I'm actually sold on them after using this one.
My Nexus four already has two distinct scratches on the glass areas -- one on the front, one on the back. They're very noticeable.
So, I'd be the first to say I don't treat my devices the best -- almost all my phones have a short lifetime for one reason or another. I've had the Nexus 4 though about a month, and I didn't even have a SIM card for it until yesterday. That being said, I'd still carry it on my person to get used to it. The cat has pulled it from it's charging station a couple times, making it fall about 3 feet to a concrete floor (damn cat). Other then that, use has been pretty sub-normal. When I put it in my pockets, I make it a point to not put it in the same pocket as my keys. My wallet (it generally goes in this pocket) is leather and has no metals. Sometimes it'll go in my pocket with my Galaxy Nexus -- which never once has incurred a scratch ever -- no matter how many times I put it in the keys pocket by accident over the years.
I had Invisible shield for my Galaxy Nexus, and it was so annoying because of the friction it adds and it really messed with the contrast -- I took it off -- I thought it was Gorilla Glass and never would get scratched -- I was right!
The Nexus 4 -- I took it by Invisible Shield and they didn't even have the pattern yet -- so I figured I'd wait, but this is Gorilla Glass 2, and I'm super disappointed it's already got scratches. I don't know what to do, so I guess the best thing to do is to let you guys know. I'll probably be calling Google come Monday to see if they have any options. I think I'm 3 days out of return -- I just noticed the big one on the front of my screen yesterday. Ugh.
First of all - wrong forum
Second - how can you be sure that the drops did not result in the scratches
third - I believe the first people to receive the N4 were 17th Nov 2012 so how is it that you have been using it for a month
Fourth - if your wallet has a dust particle on it, you can get scratches on the phone
mine already came with a stock front screen protector, thats normal right? not sure if the back has one either its hard to tell i have bad eyesight:silly:
Gorilla Glass is all marketing, it might be slightly stronger than normal glass but it's more prone to scratching than other screens. And drop videos show the glass will break no matter what if you drop it 5-6 feet. Only idiots at Apple would think of covering its phones with glass and only morons follow in copying such a design on their phones. LG made a poor decision on this aspect. Most cases, most people going to buy a back cover and all that shiny glass back is going to be covered anyways. So whats the point?
I had a galaxy note with gorilla glass, screen got scratched from its own damn pen!
Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S, Samsung Focus, Blackberry Bold 9000 not a single scratch, none of them used gorilla glass.
So when people say their gorilla glass screens got scratched, I believe them.
I just hope my Nexus 4 will remain scratch-less in 6 months.
I work in construction and had my phone since 14th of Nov well got a new one again a week and a half later from tmobile and neither have any scratches. U have to really be doing something to get scratches on it. Sand will scratch this glass. Keys and change won't only metal that is kind of hard enough to do that is nickel. Also dropping it a few times like op said will definitely do it. These phones are not scratch proof but it is hard to get scratches with normal use and in pockets. That is of course like I stated u have sand in your pockets!
Gorilla Glass (1 and 2) do not protect against ALL scratches:
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Gorilla Glass is all marketing, it might be slightly stronger than normal glass but it's more prone to scratching than other screens. And drop videos show the glass will break no matter what if you drop it 5-6 feet. Only idiots at Apple would think of covering its phones with glass and only morons follow in copying such a design on their phones. LG made a poor decision on this aspect. Most cases, most people going to buy a back cover and all that shiny glass back is going to be covered anyways. So whats the point?
I had a galaxy note with gorilla glass, screen got scratched from its own damn pen!
Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S, Samsung Focus, Blackberry Bold 9000 not a single scratch, none of them used gorilla glass.
So when people say their gorilla glass screens got scratched, I believe them.
I just hope my Nexus 4 will remain scratch-less in 6 months.
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Where are you getting the information that GG2 is more prone to scratches? This is bull ****. Out of many thousands of phones sold a few people complained about scratches.
The truth is that the majority of them scratched the screens and do not want to admit it. So calculate the percentiles and I think it is fairly low. So how does this translate into gg2 being easier to scratch?
I have had my phone since Thursday. I have no case or screen protector but I am careful and I clean the screen often using a cloth shami meant for glasses. I have no scratches and often carry the phone in my sweat shirt pocket.
I am not saying that I have tested the durability top much but I surely would not consider this glass easy to scratch.
Btw- I placed this phone next to 2 other devices i have both of which have fairly poor quality glass. You can easily tell this glass is much harder even just by tapping with your finger nail.
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A nuke went off and my phone melted therefore gorilla glass is bad.
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Sony never disclosed name of 2 companies it is using to make screen protective glass for Xperia Z and ZL.... but my query is will it be stronger than gorilla glass 3 which is touted as "drop resistant " glass
see GG3 power here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2Mm9omndlU
I heard that Sony's tempered glass is supposed to be DragonTrail glass which is supposed to come from some company called Asahi or something (or was that a beer? I cannot recall:laugh.
Anyway from what reviewers said, Dragontrail is supposed to be 5 times stronger than Gorilla glass but I've looked all over the net and have never found any further videos from this company, nor came across anyone brave enough to do a drop test with this glass or even better, do a comparison video against GG2 or even 3 (if that's available).
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There was a pretty cool demo of Gorilla Glass 3 at CES I think, which said they were comparing it 'some' competitor's glass which showed how much more powerful it was.... but after meeting so many friends with the Galaxy S3 with broken glass on the front that had cracked (sometimes as easily as a light drop at the wrong angle) I don't believe any of the GG2 adverts anymore and think they're all very carefully controlled.
Would also love to see more info on this glass and it's actual strengths!
The gorilla glass 2 on the SGS3 is abysmally poor and it has completely put me off gorilla glass, I do believe there is a drop text video on YouTube for the Xperia Z and it looks amazing
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It is either shatter proof or scratch resistant.... cant have both at same time... thanx to the screen guard that sony puts on.... this video shows it... :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GzYnDnZDRg
Sony is not using dragontrail of GG according to Sony https://twitter.com/SonyMobileNews/status/289572752229285889
I have read somewhere on a German side( through google translate and with the little German languages knowledge I posses) that they tested it and that both the protector as well as the underlying glass wasn't as strong as dragontrail, though pretty close.
I agree...
Hmmm so much for gorilla glass? Hahaha! Gorilla grass turned into monkey barbecue with the last test lol!!!
And here's for Iphone 5 drop test
And to test if it's useful for military war hahaha
When i heard a Sony representative saying that they are using 2 different companies for screen protection , I assumed that one company makes glass and other company makes that preapplied screen protector. No company name said anywhere about Z and ZL
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I heard that Sony's tempered glass is supposed to be DragonTrail glass which is supposed to come from some company called Asahi or something (or was that a beer? I cannot recall:laugh.
Anyway from what reviewers said, Dragontrail is supposed to be 5 times stronger than Gorilla glass but I've looked all over the net and have never found any further videos from this company, nor came across anyone brave enough to do a drop test with this glass or even better, do a comparison video against GG2 or even 3 (if that's available).
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There was a pretty cool demo of Gorilla Glass 3 at CES I think, which said they were comparing it 'some' competitor's glass which showed how much more powerful it was.... but after meeting so many friends with the Galaxy S3 with broken glass on the front that had cracked (sometimes as easily as a light drop at the wrong angle) I don't believe any of the GG2 adverts anymore and think they're all very carefully controlled.
Would also love to see more info on this glass and it's actual strengths!
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The gorilla glass 2 on the SGS3 is abysmally poor and it has completely put me off gorilla glass, I do believe there is a drop text video on YouTube for the Xperia Z and it looks amazing
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Riyal said:
I agree...
Hmmm so much for gorilla gass?
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I agree SGS3 was too much bad even when with gorilla glass 2... but discussion is about gorilla glass 3... which is stronger... and sony does not name company or technology it is using for screen protection in current generation.... that will make people lose trust
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I agree SGS3 was too much bad even when with gorilla glass 2... but discussion is about gorilla glass 3... which is stronger... and sony does not name company or technology it is using for screen protection in current generation.... that will make people lose trust
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Hmmm there are 2 reasons I could think of why they disclose this info...
1. It's a lie! There is no company and sony themselves is just the one making the glass.
2. They find the glass maker company great and decided to keep it a secret to avoid letting other manufacturers use the same glass.
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Hmmm there are 2 reasons I could think of why they disclose this info...
1. It's a lie! There is no company and sony themselves is just the one making the glass.
2. They find the glass maker company great and decided to keep it a secret to avoid letting other manufacturers use the same glass.
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yes i think its some company co owned by sony or something like that.
Xperia go was pretty strong in terms of drops n all... while Xperia S was not that much strong comparatively...Both were listed protection "scratch resistant glass"...i have no idea about Xperia T and V because they were not released in my region..... point is when they dont tell us what device is made up of what and where it can survive , how will people come to know.
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Hmmm there are 2 reasons I could think of why they disclose this info...
1. It's a lie! There is no company and sony themselves is just the one making the glass.
2. They find the glass maker company great and decided to keep it a secret to avoid letting other manufacturers use the same glass.
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Apple doesn't disclose who is making the glass for the iphone. and I think to do that as to make it easier to switch supplier or use multiple suppliers, so that is the third option
a forth option is that they really just use tampered glass and not a alkali-aluminosilicate type of glass used by dragontrail, gorilla glass and scott's Xensation.
if they do use a alkali-aluminosilicate glass or similar I think it could be Xensation glass as this is the only one not ruled out by Sony (that I know of)
Sony said they won't comment on supplier - it doesn't translate into "it's not Dragontrail". Maybe it is, maybe it's not. Most companies hide that - look at Samsung products - in some cases people believe that SX/Note X are using GG, but it hasn't been confirmed anywhere.
I honestly believe they used the best possible option - you don't build a full-glass phone, advertise it as super-durable, and build it from some cheap non-resistant glass.
Also, i really find comparisons to Gorilla Glass pointless and in my opinion GG is not that great to say the least. Had S2, Note 1 and Note 2 - all using GG1/2 and all of them got scratched pretty easily - friend's S3 shattered after waist-high drop, so we're not really amazed by it. I know, GG is good to have - but not having it is really not a problem, if you drop it on pavement - it will break. If it doesn't it's most likely because of good border/chassis shock absorbing properties, and not glass toughness itself. Look at Lumia 820 - people were moaning because it doesn't use GG, and it turned out that Nokia's solution is equally good.
So, Dragontrail would be great - if it's not, i still believe it will be quite durable. Tempered glass is used in automotive ( windshields ) and it survives A LOT of damage thanks to its shatterproof film and tempering. I think it might turn out pretty good - and if it turns out it breaks as easily as every other phone, then Sony will have a real reputation loss due to its advertising.
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Sony said they won't comment on supplier - it doesn't translate into "it's not Dragontrail". Maybe it is, maybe it's not. Most companies hide that - look at Samsung products - in some cases people believe that SX/Note X are using GG, but it hasn't been confirmed anywhere.
I honestly believe they used the best possible option - you don't build a full-glass phone, advertise it as super-durable, and build it from some cheap non-resistant glass.
Also, i really find comparisons to Gorilla Glass pointless and in my opinion GG is not that great to say the least. Had S2, Note 1 and Note 2 - all using GG1/2 and all of them got scratched pretty easily - friend's S3 shattered after waist-high drop, so we're not really amazed by it. I know, GG is good to have - but not having it is really not a problem, if you drop it on pavement - it will break. If it doesn't it's most likely because of good border/chassis shock absorbing properties, and not glass toughness itself. Look at Lumia 820 - people were moaning because it doesn't use GG, and it turned out that Nokia's solution is equally good.
So, Dragontrail would be great - if it's not, i still believe it will be quite durable. Tempered glass is used in automotive ( windshields ) and it survives A LOT of damage thanks to its shatterproof film and tempering. I think it might turn out pretty good - and if it turns out it breaks as easily as every other phone, then Sony will have a real reputation loss due to its advertising.
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Wonder what glasses does nokia use on their old nokia 5580XM screens It's very shock proof to the point I couldn't break it.
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Sony said they won't comment on supplier - it doesn't translate into "it's not Dragontrail". .
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they said "we don’t comment on supplier names but Xperia Z uses durable tempered glass that has equiv specs to Gorilla/Dragontrail"
that's at least implying that they don't use GG or DT.
Not that I care as long as it can survive the occasional drop
stefanve said:
Not that I care as long as it can survive the occasional drop
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We all hope it will Also, I wonder how much will it cost to replace broken back of front if it does break at some point. My only drop victim was iPhone, the first "2G" one - dropped it cause some b...tch ran into me and knocked it out of my hands Sold it for half the price of working unit so it all turned out well.
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We all hope it will Also, I wonder how much will it cost to replace broken back of front if it does break at some point. My only drop victim was iPhone, the first "2G" one - dropped it cause some b...tch ran into me and knocked it out of my hands Sold it for half the price of working unit so it all turned out well.
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I imagine it will be similar to the butterfly or the one X since it uses a similar technique to eliminate the air layer between glass en panel
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Sony said they won't comment on supplier - it doesn't translate into "it's not Dragontrail". Maybe it is, maybe it's not. Most companies hide that - look at Samsung products - in some cases people believe that SX/Note X are using GG, but it hasn't been confirmed anywhere.
I honestly believe they used the best possible option - you don't build a full-glass phone, advertise it as super-durable, and build it from some cheap non-resistant glass.
Also, i really find comparisons to Gorilla Glass pointless and in my opinion GG is not that great to say the least. Had S2, Note 1 and Note 2 - all using GG1/2 and all of them got scratched pretty easily - friend's S3 shattered after waist-high drop, so we're not really amazed by it. I know, GG is good to have - but not having it is really not a problem, if you drop it on pavement - it will break. If it doesn't it's most likely because of good border/chassis shock absorbing properties, and not glass toughness itself. Look at Lumia 820 - people were moaning because it doesn't use GG, and it turned out that Nokia's solution is equally good.
So, Dragontrail would be great - if it's not, i still believe it will be quite durable. Tempered glass is used in automotive ( windshields ) and it survives A LOT of damage thanks to its shatterproof film and tempering. I think it might turn out pretty good - and if it turns out it breaks as easily as every other phone, then Sony will have a real reputation loss due to its advertising.
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Sony clearly say it is not dragontail ... some mysterious tech.... hope it turns out to be a solid thing...
AndroidFreud said:
I heard that Sony's tempered glass is supposed to be DragonTrail glass which is supposed to come from some company called Asahi or something (or was that a beer? I cannot recall:laugh.
Anyway from what reviewers said, Dragontrail is supposed to be 5 times stronger than Gorilla glass but I've looked all over the net and have never found any further videos from this company, nor came across anyone brave enough to do a drop test with this glass or even better, do a comparison video against GG2 or even 3 (if that's available).
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There was a pretty cool demo of Gorilla Glass 3 at CES I think, which said they were comparing it 'some' competitor's glass which showed how much more powerful it was.... but after meeting so many friends with the Galaxy S3 with broken glass on the front that had cracked (sometimes as easily as a light drop at the wrong angle) I don't believe any of the GG2 adverts anymore and think they're all very carefully controlled.
Would also love to see more info on this glass and it's actual strengths!
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Dude, where did you come up with Dragontail being 5 times stronger than gorilla glass? What a load of rubish. It is aparently 6 times stronger than conventional glass, and I am certain Gorilla glass is not therefore 1 times stronger than conventional glass. The Vickers hardness rating puts Dragontail behind Gorilla glass, so in theory Gorilla glass should be more scratch resistant.
Gorilla glass 3 shows hardness and ductility in action. The harder the material the more brittle it becomes under certain stressors. The more ductile the material is the more impact resistance it will have and also be less brittle. So combine the two and you have what is demonstrated buy the Gorilla glass 3 vid.
Sony aparently have already used dragontail glass in a Xperia phone, so quite likely to be the case here. I am certain that most companies are being quiet about this due to contracts standing with Corning.
Not sure why people keep referring to shattered and scratched phone screens, these technologies reduce the risk not remove it, nor do any of them claim it.
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Dude, where did you come up with Dragontail being 5 times stronger than gorilla glass? What a load of rubish. It is aparently 6 times stronger than conventional glass, and I am certain Gorilla glass is not therefore 1 times stronger than conventional glass. The Vickers hardness rating puts Dragontail behind Gorilla glass, so in theory Gorilla glass should be more scratch resistant.
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Exactly, that's a mistake. DT is said to be 6 times strongen than conventional glass, not gorilla glass. Also, gorilla is probably more scratch resistant, but DT conpensates for it with extreme durability and resistance to shattering.
www.youtube.com/embed/84z_BIrLlp4?e...19209/&html5=1&autoplay=1&vq=medium&start=129
this is the video of xiaomi mi2 murdered using saw and cutters.
this phone uses dragontail glass
www.youtube.com/embed/WpbOoQpwAFs?e...ds/xiaomi-mi2-protective-glass.19209/&html5=1
this one is a lab test video of the dragontail.
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What have been your experiences with Gorilla Glass 3? The unit on mine cracked with a minor drop, although given it was a drop suffered directly to the face. But a two week phone already cracked. I had better experiences with Gorilla Glass 2 on my galaxy s2
How do car windshields sometimes just chip and sometimes crack all the way across, with a similar sized hit from a rock?
I wouldn't blame your glass, just luck of the draw.
Plus isn't GG supposed to be scratch resistent(not that it totally is) moreso than impact resistent?
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What have been your experiences with Gorilla Glass 3? The unit on mine cracked with a minor drop, although given it was a drop suffered directly to the face. But a two week phone already cracked. I had better experiences with Gorilla Glass 2 on my galaxy s2
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Consider yourself lucky if you ONLY cracked the glass. A number of us, including myself, have had experiences where the OLED broke off a "minor drop". In all honesty, you were unlucky AND lucky. If the phone still operates and you can look past the obvious cosmetic blemish (or scar, however you'd like to see it), then ride it out until the price of Gorilla 3 glass comes down. At least you may still have something that operates. Better that then seeing your phone go completely black.
One more note: can you show us where the phone landed on? I'm willing to bet 100 internets that it landed on the sides or corners. A large number of people here have had face down drops and come up clean (as in flat impact on flat surface.)
That sucks bro, I work a pretty labor intensive construction job and I keep my phone in an otterbox with the provided otterbox screen protector. I have dropped my s4 from roof to basement (roughly a 30 foot drop) and my phone is still unscathed. Same with the s3 I had for about a year and a bit. Probably dropped it 200 times, never had a problem. Just lucky I guess.
i guess it really depends how the phone drops, my friend also work in construction, he dropped his S3 from the 3rd step of a ladder last years and it shattered, his S4 fell from the top of a similar ladder and had a very slight chip on the plastic strip around the phone but no screen damage. Corner shots can be especially deadly
You guys need to quit playing around with your phones while at work. That's the problem - your punishment for goofing off.
Lol (just joking)
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JasonJoel said:
You guys need to quit playing around with your phones while at work. That's the problem - your punishment for goofing off.
Lol (just joking)
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No but i do agree. If you're careless, or accidentally drop the phone, you should be responsible for your acts, i have dropped my phone a few times before, thankfully, nothing ever happened, but if one day it does, the only person i'll blame is myself, not the construction of the phone, and definitely not gorilla glass 3. It's a phone, not a tank. Nothing is ever specified in any documentation that the phone is supposed to resist any drop.
Gorilla Glass will soon be a thing of the past
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIu1_zoLRgE
Samsung's flexible display is awesome.
My experiences were good for the first 30 hours of my phone ownership, although I guess I can't be too upset at a thin piece of glass shattering upon contact with concrete.
Is there any clear cut way to tell the difference between a broken digitizer and just a broken glass? I can touch anywhere on the screen and it works fine, until I get a shard of Gorilla Glass in my thumb... I could always just shell out $220 for a whole new assembly, but I'd really rather not considering I spent a good amount of my check last week getting the phone.
ouch, you should be more careful.
The glass and digitizer are built together. You will need to buy them both built together. Disassembling the phone isn't too difficult though if you are good with fixing things you might be able to install it yourself.
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UVClay said:
Is there any clear cut way to tell the difference between a broken digitizer and just a broken glass? I can touch anywhere on the screen and it works fine, until I get a shard of Gorilla Glass in my thumb
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When the digitizer is broken the touch capabilities don't work. It rarely breaks as its a piece of material more than anything
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LucasDTV said:
What have been your experiences with Gorilla Glass 3? The unit on mine cracked with a minor drop, although given it was a drop suffered directly to the face. But a two week phone already cracked. I had better experiences with Gorilla Glass 2 on my galaxy s2
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I dropped mine when getting out of the backseat of an SUV. I had the phone in my lap, forgot it was there, slid out and heard a loud SMACK on the rocky asphalt. I looked below and saw my phone laying screen down upon the dirty, New York stone parking lot. I reluctantly bent down and sighed, resigning myself to a $650 charge on my credit card next time I hit up an AT&T store. I picked it up to inspect the damage and...
Nothing. It was perfect as the day I took it out of the box. <3 GG3
Dropped it On a tile floor, bounced around, and very minimal damage.. Dropped from my hand without a case so 4-5 foot drop. The chrome dented where it dropped and the glass sorta cracked/chipped a layer.. There are no breaks, just a small area of damage.. Was quite scared that more damage would be inflicted based on some of the criticisms going around about the poor build
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joeybear23 said:
Gorilla Glass will soon be a thing of the past
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIu1_zoLRgE
Samsung's flexible display is awesome.
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If the material is soft enough to be flexible I doubt how scratch-resistant it is going to be, and would a screen protector even stay on? I predict people whining about scratches.
I dropped my Note2 on asphalt today and even though it had a anti scratch prorection on, the front glass broke! This sux. I thouught it would tolerate more beating then a single fall.
Now I have to pay 150$+ to fix ir!
Gorilla Glass isn't drop proof. It still breaks man
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gorilla glass isn't shatterproof. It's resistant to perpendicular impacts, but hit it along the edge and it cracks like an eggshell.
What the f is scratch prorection?
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Next time use a case
Yeah the glass does break but even the 'gorilla glass is scratchproof' argument is bull****, put your phone within one mile of a grain of sand and the screen will scratch very easily!
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It's gorila glass not bulletproof glass.
I must confirm - gorilla glass on note 2 sucks
So,
I must confirmed that Gorilla glass on my Note 2, have scratches.
what is sad here ? I WATCH FOR MY PHONE VERY CAREFULLY.
nOT even once ( or maybe once or twice ) it was in my pocket with other stuffs like coins or keys. ž
I took out my folie, because I've burned it with cigarete, and I did't like it. So my phone was about three, or four weeks without screenprotector.
YET, I found little scratches on it.
CONFUSED .
I watched some movies on you tube, with Note 2, and S3, the guy was simultainesly hit screens of two devices WITH VERY BIG KNIFE.
Non scratches was found.
I cary the phone for three weeks, 2,3 hours per day, in emty pocket and YET GET SCRATCHES !!!
if this is gorilla glass, I'm a monkey
Dirt and sand in your pocket can scratch the glass. The glass is scratch resistant NOT scratch proof. Any glass will scratch under certain situations
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NightHawkUndead said:
Dirt and sand in your pocket can scratch the glass. The glass is scratch resistant NOT scratch proof. Any glass will scratch under certain situations
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IS THAT SO ?
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It's not scratches from sand for sure. ...
THE MAIN POINT IS....GORILLA GLASS DOESN'T DO THE JOB.
or it does in some cheap way.... Let's be honest
People forgot the word "glass" in gorilla glass.
Glass break, gorilla glass makes it harder to break, but still breaks.
FinancialWar said:
People forgot the word "glass" in gorilla glass.
Glass break, gorilla glass makes it harder to break, but still breaks.
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sorry Dude, but Note 2, have tinner glass.....Obviously it is A NOT GOOD PRODUCT.
I hate the most when someone have answers like yours . READ WHAT I WROTE !
three weeks in almost always emty pocket !
SCRATCHES !
I don't have a single scratch on my Note 2 after using it for 6 months. So I don't what you're talking about.
scratch resistant doesn't mean drop-on-the-floor-proof
toofank said:
I dropped my Note2 on asphalt today and even though it had a anti scratch prorection on, the front glass broke! This sux. I thouught it would tolerate more beating then a single fall.
Now I have to pay 150$+ to fix ir!
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if you the lcd and digitiser still function you can replace the top glass for just ~$20. You dont have to replace the entire assembly. Check this video out to know what i am talking about.
http://youtu.be/NtaBVQSA6sM
hope this helps
Let's see, even if english is not my mother tongue, I know the difference between SCRATCH and HIT.
As they told you, gorilla glass is SCRATCH resistant, so if it falls it has nothing to do, the difference is that is harder (not impossible) to get scratches with the normal use than other screens without it, and I can ASSURE you that it does its work.
I have some thin scratches at my screen after using the phone carefully for two months. Very disappointed.
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I have some thin scratches at my screen after using the phone carefully for two months. Very disappointed.
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I only have one and i did it working and is very very small, I can see only with sunlight.
My phone has 10 months and i never used screen protector
badanas said:
I only have one and i did it working and is very very small, I can see only with sunlight.
My phone has 10 months and i never used screen protector
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Personally I think this Gorilla glass ( on this phone I can judge only ) have weeker products and better products on Note 2.
Someone have hardener, and someone softener glass on his phone. I think this various from phone unit to phone unit.
When I saw this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFdJOBOI3lY
I was thinking there is no way to scratch it with carefull use. And after just three weeks of very, very carefully use, BUM...scratches...
FinancialWar said:
I don't have a single scratch on my Note 2 after using it for 6 months. So I don't what you're talking about.
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One of my friends thought like you. I took his note 2 and show him the scratches. He has a lot of little one.
To see it you have to look at a white screen, little "rainbows" appear.
Not a big deal but still scratches.