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.ducks/rolls. Hey - It's not nice to throw things.
Ok, I know it's been asked a million times, so before you cut my heart out and eat it with buttered toast, hear me out. I understand that pin messaging is on a closed network, I have searched the forums here, and numerous other places, and everyone agrees on the same thing.
Blackberry just released the 4.6 JDE publicly.
There is a website, Web2Pin, that provides free priority 1 messages to blackberries; and offers to design services around the BBM platform, but they charge an extraordinary amount of money and deal only with corporations.
My thoughts are that there has to be a secondary licensing system from blackberry, and that there has to be a way to design third party software, because it's obviously been done.
I'm not Java-wise, nor Android-wise, so my logic is most likely flawed, but I thought I'd put it out there and see what happens.
dismal moron said:
.ducks/rolls. Hey - It's not nice to throw things.
Ok, I know it's been asked a million times, so before you cut my heart out and eat it with buttered toast, hear me out. I understand that pin messaging is on a closed network, I have searched the forums here, and numerous other places, and everyone agrees on the same thing.
Blackberry just released the 4.6 JDE publicly.
There is a website, Web2Pin, that provides free priority 1 messages to blackberries; and offers to design services around the BBM platform, but they charge an extraordinary amount of money and deal only with corporations.
My thoughts are that there has to be a secondary licensing system from blackberry, and that there has to be a way to design third party software, because it's obviously been done.
I'm not Java-wise, nor Android-wise, so my logic is most likely flawed, but I thought I'd put it out there and see what happens.
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I'm a long time blackberry user (since the 7100 series) I know this has been talked about several times...I know it has something to do with having a valid pin as thats how bbm communicates with the BIS servers. The program would have to clone a pin or something and be able to ping the server and get access I would think...BlackBerry development has reached several third parties but bbm is a core app and liscensed by RIM so I dont know if or how it could be done would be nice...The final insult to injury lol.
@Sunder74
That's what I had originally thought as well. But I also remember a few years ago when there was a little known, functioning application for WM5 that would do pin messaging (I had tested it while I was working Data Tech at a VZW Call Center).
There's also the up and coming Blackberry Application Suite. It currently only works with BES. I've a hunch that it's probably because they're going to sell pin numbers to corporations or bes server admins.
My other thought is, RIM would probably be more open to selling PIN licenses to individuals if there was a functional, stable piece of software (or base coding) for them to advertise alongside it.
Before the Blackberry App store, I remember going to a website that linked to a bunch of OTA installers grouped by category.
I don't just really want this to work. All the pieces seem to be there. Web2pin proves that the licenses can be purchased and used with bis, somehow. BBAS is about to roll out on WM. It's has to be possible.
I know! I'll sit down in my thinking chair and... Think. Think. Think.
I think the issue here is your all thinking inside the box. Android developers should design there own bbm styled app where android users would get AndroidPins and using the exact framework to create a competition and not a way to just communicate to bb people.
Android Messenger
ver 1.0
Android Pins: A9999-A999999999
Can send msgs threw data just like black berries
Would be free and you could make a donation or pay 1$ for the app
you register your number on the app and you recieve a android pin from the server
and basiclly figure out how to send pushes for when the person recieves and opens and responds to the message
the concept is there for android but i dont think people realize that black berry is like apple they try to close source there stuff which is ok but when android is open source you can litterally work on setting this app to work for communicating with apple iphones maybe blackberries too if you have the skill
just throwin around that idea
I do not know if you have ever noticed this, but bbm is RIM's largest ad campaign. There is very little chance that they would sell bbm PIN's.
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actually theres a app being developed for android its called Hello Messenger. Its already out for iOS and Blackberrys, it works just like bbm, with pin numbers and group chats. Follow them on twitter, @hellomessenger. Also theres a Android beta coming out soon, I signed up for it at http://hellomessenger.com/android/. Tell your friends.
Can't Google Talk be categorized here? Seeing as most Android users are using google accounts? Pingchat is coming to Android soon too http://pingchat.com/
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Can't Google Talk be categorized here? Seeing as most Android users are using google accounts? Pingchat is coming to Android soon too http://pingchat.com/
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Its already out. Search in market
there's also whatsapp
im waiting for WhatsApp it is out for iOS, BBOS, they are developing it for Android 2.1+, WM and S60. It uses your mobile number as your pin so to speak.
Whatsapp is already there. I have it installed on my Desire. You download the app and they have to let you logging, because its a preview, but fully working.
Y will search for the link
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"We have authorized your phone to participate in our beta test. The url for installation is
http:// beta.whatsapp.com/WhatsApp.apk
As this is a very early beta, please let us know if you are able to install successfully Any questions or support go to [email protected] When sending us bugs, please use this route Chats > Menu Settings > About > Contact Us so that we may receive logs at the same time."
Send to them an e-mail saying that you have an android phone and that you want to test their soft and you will get an email similar to that one.
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I get a message saying you are not authorized in the beta. How do i get round that?
You have to send an email to the adress posted before. You have yo tell them that you want to try their soft as beta tester in your android phone.
After few hours/days you will get an email like the one i posted allowing you to use the soft.
I forgot yo say that You have to include in the email your full mobile number (with country code), the same that you use in the app. They use it to activate your app.
Me and my friends used blackberry messenger for the longest time. Mainly the groupchat feature because it was basically a live chat room for only your friends to share pics voice records and randomness. Unfortunately both pinchat and whatsapp do not supply a good group chat. pinchat does have a group chat but its garbage compared to the BBmsger group chat and whatsapp is just flawed. I am still in search for a good group chat program that is also cross platform. or at least on android.
Non-BB users underestimate how much people love BBM. If there's going to be a cross-platform alternative, it has to do everything that BBM does as close to the way BBM does it as possible. PingChat and WhatsApp come close, but they aren't going to win over BBM users with their subtle, but important deficiencies. I'm looking forwards to the Android release of Hello! to compare.
The biggest problem is that BBM comes installed on BlackBerry phones, and it's going to be VERY hard convincing BB users to install something else. Android and iPhone users are more happy to install new apps, but having everyone pick one app and stick with it is a challenge as well.
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Non-BB users underestimate how much people love BBM. If there's going to be a cross-platform alternative, it has to do everything that BBM does as close to the way BBM does it as possible. PingChat and WhatsApp come close, but they aren't going to win over BBM users with their subtle, but important deficiencies. I'm looking forwards to the Android release of Hello! to compare.
The biggest problem is that BBM comes installed on BlackBerry phones, and it's going to be VERY hard convincing BB users to install something else. Android and iPhone users are more happy to install new apps, but having everyone pick one app and stick with it is a challenge as well.
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Why not try ICQ, throwing a homage to the original IM. Its got native clients for most, if not all platforms. Its even usually listed as a quick install link on BB. Facebook chat is integrated (on desktop and Android versions, don't knpw about Java/Symbian and iOS). You get a number for anti-spaming (like a PIN if you REALLY want to emulate BB).
Yes, some would say "just use X IM app then." But its the only one with native support other than fring. And I find fring clumsy, plus does not have a desktop version.
I have BBM on my work BB. And I know that its superior in a lot of ways, but willing to bet that the reason a lot of features aren't being duplicated are likely legal, not technical, reasons. So I think this is a viable option until whatsapp or others have the kinks worked out (have yet to have a successful convo in 2 days!). Maybe with enough interest they can get the things we want added.
there is app called crosstalk
but i don't know when they will release it
it's written in the official site it will com at the end of aug
but tell now nothing!!!
check this site for more info
http://www.blueplanetapps.com/products/CrossTalk.aspx
2 quick questions..
Why doesn't google talk use the new google push?(would save battery)
Also can't some one use the new push service google made to power a chat program?
http://code.google.com/apis/feed/push/
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? Hmm.. any one?
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I've been doing some work with Samsung, putting the Galaxy Tab through its paces.
I've just been asked to dream up my ideal Galaxy Tab application! I've got a million and one ideas, but wondering what you guys thought?
I have the ear of some pretty senior people at Samsung, who knows, one of these ideas could become a reality one day!
So what will it be? An integrated Email and Text messaging system? A battery life managing piece of software? What would YOU like from Samsung/Google?
I also got to meet the CEO of Google for this task. More about that here: bilal-mobiler.blogspot.com/
Phone as standard on US Tabs.
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Phone as standard on US Tabs.
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+1 that would be bomb
Ditto: phone as standard part of US Galaxy Tab.
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i want to be able to use my Galaxy Tab as a datalogger/basic tuner for the custom ECU running the engine in my car. (i would actually pay a dev 'decent' money to make something like this, needs to communicate with a BT RS-232 serial adapter, and the software can probably be ported from the OpenSource Linux program)
but in the realm of things that more than ~50 people will use... (thousands if it worked on any android device)
a VNC client with a small section of the screen dedicated to a trackpad with left and right click buttons and the ability to customize a small handful of keyboard buttons that are always available would be nice...
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+1
Also app to compose music, like the ipad has.
Since the phone on the US Tabs was obviously determined by the carriers, and thus out of Google or Samsung's control, I'd like to see the Daily Briefing become customizable. The ability to add my own news source(s), the ability to remove the stock section, ect...
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Also app to compose music, like the ipad has.
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Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hiukg5A1Qvk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlfnStW5V1s&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-KjlofNSuE&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
Something to start you off.
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a VNC client with a small section of the screen dedicated to a trackpad with left and right click buttons and the ability to customize a small handful of keyboard buttons that are always available would be nice...
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AndroidVNC?
or GMote?
raqball said:
Since the phone on the US Tabs was obviously determined by the carriers, and thus out of Google or Samsung's control, I'd like to see the Daily Briefing become customizable. The ability to add my own news source(s), the ability to remove the stock section, ect...
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And change the colour of that ugly ass application. It comes in different horrible shades based on who your carrier is. I'd actually consider using it if it weren't some neon abortion.
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I have the ear of some pretty senior people at Samsung, who knows, one of these ideas could become a reality one day!
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I've got a couple of suggestions for apps for the senior people at Samsung.
#1 How about an Android Market app for Galaxy Tabs sold in Dubai. Or a massive warning on the box that it doesn't come with Android Market, despite the press release for Galaxy Tab not indicating that Android Market is market specific and the Samsung UAE website showing photos of the Android Market icon on the Galaxy Tab:
http://www.samsung.com/ae/flash/p2main/low/main_KV_low_01.jpg
http://www.samsung.com/ae/system/consumer/product/2010/10/24/gt_p1000cwaxsg/5_01.jpg
#2 How about an augmented reality system. Kind of like that one described on the Samsung UAE website at http://www.samsung.com/ae/consumer/...XSG/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&tab=feature, but that can't be installed because it the requires Android Market app.
Those would be two ideal apps for Galaxy Tab.
Phone as standard on the us version is a must.
Agree that the Daily Briefing app is cool. Very cool actually... being able to customize it would be nice.
Have we mentioned the phone thing? ... 30 day return policies sure are nice.
I'd like a nice app for google books, specifically the 'my library' part. There are a number of good book manager apps in the market, but none of them sync or integrate with google books. Then there's one or two apps that do sync with google books, but they don't have the other functionality I'm looking for.
What it needs to do is:
Sync with Google Books, not just the full book list, but individual shelves, please.
ISBN/ISSN search, from keyboard or barcode scan (maybe even integrate google goggles to recognize the cover)
Maybe a cover search.
Text search inside books (can just pipe the results from google books)
If it has a nice UI, even better, but that's not the top priority IMHO.
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PocketCloud
Galaxy Tab said:
I've been doing some work with Samsung, putting the Galaxy Tab through its paces.
I've just been asked to dream up my ideal Galaxy Tab application! I've got a million and one ideas, but wondering what you guys thought?
I have the ear of some pretty senior people at Samsung, who knows, one of these ideas could become a reality one day!
So what will it be? An integrated Email and Text messaging system? A battery life managing piece of software? What would YOU like from Samsung/Google?
I also got to meet the CEO of Google for this task. More about that here: bilal-mobiler.blogspot.com/
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I have only one request.... as others have said... please let us use it as a phone.
Have them post some anonymous post with a simple method that allows us to do that.
Otherwise, I am not keeping it.
A podcast player that knows to jump to the next chapter inside a podcast, and diplay each chapter info or image. Like the iTunes on iPad.
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xexes said:
I have only one request.... as others have said... please let us use it as a phone.
Have them post some anonymous post with a simple method that allows us to do that.
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I don't think it's that simple - at least not for CDMA devices.
I can only see that the carriers who have decided that this Tab can't be used as a phone, and have forced Samsung into this. Quite why they've decided this, I've no idea, but since I suppose that they feel that since the iPad can't have voice, the Tab doesn't need it either.
I suppose Samsung could release a network unlocked GSM Tab which supports both TMo and AT&T frequencies, but if they do this they may alienate the carriers who then won't carry Samsungs smartphone range, which let's face facts, is the bread and butter of their mobile business.
What you really need to be doing is boycotting the Tab in the US until the carriers see sense and allow you to use them as a phone.
We may pay more for our Tabs without a contract over here in the UK, but at least they are fully functional!
Regards,
Dave
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#1 How about an Android Market app for Galaxy Tabs sold in Dubai. Or a massive warning on the box that it doesn't come with Android Market, despite the press release for Galaxy Tab not indicating that Android Market is market specific and the Samsung UAE website showing photos of the Android Market icon on the Galaxy Tab:
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FWIW, I don't think that its Samsungs fault that there is no Android Market in Middle-Eastern Tabs - it seems that this is the case for all Android devices (see here).
I know that's about as useful to you as a chocolate teapot, and I fully agree that there should be at least some obvious warning that there is no Market on the device.
Regards,
Dave
For those who can phone...
1. Voice recognition
What really is missing from my perspective is voice recognition since we need an ear phone to speak.
It makes no sense to have to take out the phone from the pocket to place a call.
We should be able to perform this from the ear phone.
2. Task manager
It makes me crazy no to be able to go to an application from the default task manager. We can only kill apps.
3. Google maps and Contact Manager should be integrated
4. Calendar tab should appear in Phone application and integrated with Contacts Manager.
Since I am using that device for professional purpose I am more interested in real life application than in Asphalt game.
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I don't think it's that simple - at least not for CDMA devices.
I can only see that the carriers who have decided that this Tab can't be used as a phone, and have forced Samsung into this. Quite why they've decided this, I've no idea, but since I suppose that they feel that since the iPad can't have voice, the Tab doesn't need it either.
I suppose Samsung could release a network unlocked GSM Tab which supports both TMo and AT&T frequencies, but if they do this they may alienate the carriers who then won't carry Samsungs smartphone range, which let's face facts, is the bread and butter of their mobile business.
What you really need to be doing is boycotting the Tab in the US until the carriers see sense and allow you to use them as a phone.
We may pay more for our Tabs without a contract over here in the UK, but at least they are fully functional!
Regards,
Dave
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No offense Dave, but I'm talking about US GSM phones and really don't want a lecture about what I should or should not be doing.
I am quite aware that UK/Euro phones are fully functional.
The guy asked for suggestions ... I gave him one.
I can feel the flames coming
OK I am definitely not disappointed with the Hardware itself. Great form factor and I converted a few of the office Apple fanatics to it... Some guys in my office actually bought the tab after seeing mine
It's my first Android device and... I am disappointed by Android (Flames coming closer) or more precisely by the lack of refinement of the "productivity" apps.
Let me be more precise: I come from the WM 6.5.5 world (boooh). Android OS is definitely more stable (No memory leaks, etc...) more finger friendly, etc... BUT also
* It has way less options, at least in its stock version vs my custom made WM ROM (Sure my Grandma could use it (This is iOSesque type of OS), but that's not exactly what I am expecting for myself)
* The email app, so much praised in many reviews is still way behind outlook for WM. I miss the little arrow sign indicating me whether the email was forwarded, replied, etc... Not even talking about all the options available in pOutlook that definitely simplify the everyday life. A lot of very simple things are just not there. If you have multiple attachments, you need to download them one by one (Have to wait for the first one to be downloaded to have the option to download the second one). Unbeded links and pictures are displayed immediately when in Outlook they are blocked first to protect you in case it's a fishing email. Etc, etc...
* You don't have a single box (Or let's say single app) for SMS, MMS, eMails
* Implementation of Activesync is not good, neither full. SMS are not synced, and there seems to be bugs and quirks here and there (Why the hell is my Sent box often TWO DAYS late on sync ?? Just havent found a way to fix this. It just refreshes... sometimes, when it feels like it)
* Copy and paste is not present everywhere, I cant seem to be able to copy from any text I see on the screen (In WM just long press and then you get the copy and paste menu and the ability to select some text). It's possible in some places that have been thought for, but not from anywhere
Etc, etc... I definitely appreciate the slickness of the OS, the smoothness overall (That said I believe my TP2 would also be super smooth with a Hummingbird processor on board...). The fact that it's a growing platform allows to have access to the latest apps while there was barely anything new for my TP2 these days. But yeah, honestly... a lot of the applications need more refinement. I guess this will grow with age (hopefully) but it's definitely not there yet at least out of the box
I am not saying this for the sole purpose of criticizing. I will keep my Tab and I do like it. But I thought the jump would be without regret and it's not the case for the moment. I feel more like I did a compromise and a move taht had to be (No interest in a closed platform like WP7 and can't stay on a dieing one). And hopefully some of you while reading me will point me to some solutions they found for themselves, some suggestions of third party applications. meanwhile I still go back and forth between my tab and my TP2 and I find it easier to email with the TP2 (OK the physical keyboard helps too) while also cant take my eyes off HTC Sense (This I know it's just up to me to make some effort and install the right stuff to have great home screens)
You have some valid points (copy & paste, sms+emails in one place) but the other features are so obvious.
You can't compare the native apps on Win (Outlook, Active Sync) that suppose to work well on Android. I wouldn't think this is a surprise.
Android definitely has a little bit of a learning curve. My EVO was my first android OS device and after learning the little quirks I am a borderline fanboy.
I am not sure I agree with the comparison to iOS. I think Apple does a lot more "dumbing down" where Android gives you more freedom but you have to learn how to use it. Apparently it's working well for Apple. Can't fault their success.
Are you missing copy/paste in a certain app? I used it just last night (just got my tab yesterday) copying my Launcher Pro plus key from an email to LP. Menu>More>Select Text>Copy, I think. Long press where you would like to paste.
Anyway, give it time. I think it'll grow on ya.
Yes you're right I was a bit unfair to compare with iOS
And yes it's true it's evolving the right way
Copy and paste: simple example. How do I copy amd pate text from a webpage?
I believe you have to press the menu button, go to 'more' and then hit 'select text'. After that gliding your finger over text will select it. Its still not refined because it doesnt add the two 'pins' to move your selection area...that is in Gingerbread I think.
More gives me only print, share page and page info...
Unfortunately...
Founds new bugs that are very unprofessional: some sms going to the wrong inbox
And some emails answers sent... Without the text I typed (empty)
And of course since I dont have the aent emails for the past 2 days I juat cant event check this
I understand it's normal to expect Microsoft technology to be better implemented by Microsoft. However if Google wants to be serious with Android in the enterprise world they need to work on their exchange implementation
honeatly this email problem is just incredible...
Forgot to add that even though there are lots of free apps, some of the very useful ones are not included by default. If you wnat a good RDP client --> $20 for instance (Free with WM) All adding up it makes Android a "luxuary" OS in some cases...
That said not to be unfair the market of free apps is quite impressive (compared with WM)
I think Android is great. The new Android 3D maps are amazing both on my Nexus One and Galaxy Tab.
That said, my single complaint so far is the lag in the native browser and with Dolphin HD. I can't say I blame this on Android OS because my N1 does not have this problem. I'm a noob so I blame this on Samsung.
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Founds new bugs that are very unprofessional: some sms going to the wrong inbox
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Got that 3 days ago, an incoming sms displaying the wrong contact!... So I found that after answering to that same wrong contact, who warned me I probably have mistaken. I wonder how this can be possible... Samsung app?
Alcibiade said:
Forgot to add that even though there are lots of free apps, some of the very useful ones are not included by default. If you wnat a good RDP client --> $20 for instance (Free with WM) All adding up it makes Android a "luxuary" OS in some cases...
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Except that unlike Android, WM is not free in and of itself anyway, so the comparison is slightly flawed - only slightly though because as an end user you do not pay directly for WM, the OEM does!
Personally, I've found Wyse PocketCloud to be excellent, even in its free incarnation - it was so good, I bought the Pro version!
Of course, no OS is perfect - despite WM6s age, it still has some strengths. In many ways, it's a shame that MS threw the baby out with the bathwater with WP7!
Regards,
Dave
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More gives me only print, share page and page info...
Unfortunately...
Founds new bugs that are very unprofessional: some sms going to the wrong inbox
And some emails answers sent... Without the text I typed (empty)
And of course since I dont have the aent emails for the past 2 days I juat cant event check this
I understand it's normal to expect Microsoft technology to be better implemented by Microsoft. However if Google wants to be serious with Android in the enterprise world they need to work on their exchange implementation
honeatly this email problem is just incredible...
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Android gets a lot of blame for things that have been modified by the vendor. I've been on Android since the launch of the G1. One thing I can tell you is every device is different. HTC has their own Exchange client, same with Samsung. Many times I see their proprietary apps cause these problems. It's the price we pay for open.
The Galaxy Tab's ROM is pretty flawed. Typical for a first gen device. I'm counting the days till an update is released.
My suggestion is go with an Exchange client from the market. Touchdown (no longer called that) was generally considered the best or just hang on till the next update. For SMS I use Handcent which I love.
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Forgot to add that even though there are lots of free apps, some of the very useful ones are not included by default. If you wnat a good RDP client --> $20 for instance (Free with WM) All adding up it makes Android a "luxuary" OS in some cases...
That said not to be unfair the market of free apps is quite impressive (compared with WM)
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All enterprise apps demand big bucks. In Wimo's case that's a MS app hence free. But all the other enterprise stuff is $$$ for any platform. I agree with the other poster, PocketCloud is very good. I also have an Ipad and can tell you their apps are totally "luxuary" priced.
Give the platform more time. You're new and things are different so you're just going to see the negatives. Over time I would be shocked if you could even look at a wimo device...much less use it on a daily basis.
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Got that 3 days ago, an incoming sms displaying the wrong contact!... So I found that after answering to that same wrong contact, who warned me I probably have mistaken. I wonder how this can be possible... Samsung app?
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Wait what ? That happened to me couple of days ago.
orenxda said:
Got that 3 days ago, an incoming sms displaying the wrong contact!... So I found that after answering to that same wrong contact, who warned me I probably have mistaken. I wonder how this can be possible... Samsung app?
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Yeah I think we can blame Samsung about this. It's a real shamr cause I answered in a similar fashion to the wrong girl... Got in little trouble... But in the end kind of funny
Anyway shame on Sammy on this one. Very unprofessional...
Been reading the previous posts. My point was not to be critical of the OS itself. I do believe it's a much better OS than WM. It was much more about the applications that are still rough on the edges and not as mature as for other platforms
another example: in the samsung messaging application you cannot click on an HTML link to go straight to the webpage. Which year are we? 2005?
I too am very happy with my TP2, but I want a 7" phone. Although the Tab is the most close, it is still not there: many web contents are still available to WM and iPad only, the CDMA versions cannot make calls and are too pricey for the sluggish built-in browser.
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I too am very happy with my TP2, but I want a 7" phone. Although the Tab is the most close, it is still not there: many web contents are still available to WM and iPad only, the CDMA versions cannot make calls and are too pricey for the sluggish built-in browser.
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I have both now
Just need to find a good way to sync SMS between both...
Sad point is in the US you cannot have 2 SIMs with the same number. Otherwise would be living ina perfect world
Just found out it may not be possible to change my outlook calendar entries inthe Samsung calendar
i can delete but not move it to another dats
Maybe I am not doing it right... But we are getting close to a deal breaker
Honestly Android is a cool toy but feels so far from a professional well rounded product and only comparing with WM 6.5...
more and more diaappointed day by day..
This is why android is so great though...you said you had no complaints about the hardware being used, and I hear that a lot.
There are so many developers working on android devices including the tab trying to improve the UI and enable hardware acceleration etc.
I think that within a few months the tab will have roms that will fix or work around the various issues that are present in the current tab software.
Agreed android has a great future ahead
but there is quote some work to do. We are not there yet!!
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Agreed android has a great future ahead
but there is quote some work to do. We are not there yet!!
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I think the point is that Android scores lots of points where WinMo scores none, and vice versa!
My business uses Google Apps for Domains, so Android is a massive win for me. If your an MS shop, WinMo stills holds a great hand though 3rd party apps on Android can fill many of the gaps.
Over time we will see an awful lot of convergence - WP7 will get better and so will Android.
To be honest, for the most part, thus far Google have pitched Android as a consumer rather than business OS, and have relied on 3rd parties to provide full business integration. I expect 2011 will bring more to the biz table.
Regards,
Dave
Android 5.0 release date
Google has announced that its next developer conference - Google IO - will take place from May 15 to May 17 2013, a month earlier than 2012's June dates. Given that Google announced Android 4.1 Jelly Bean at 2012's IO conference, it's not unreasonable to expect to see Android 5.0 at this year's event On 31 January, a Google IO showing of Android 5.0 looked more likely when screengrabs of a Qualcomm roadmap were leaked, showing Android 5.0 as breaking cover between April and June 2013.
Android 5.0 phones
Rumours of a new Nexus handset started trickling in during the third quarter of 2012, as we reported on 1 October 2012. There was speculation that this phone would be sporting Key Lime Pie, but sources who spoke to AndroidAndMe correctly claimed that the handset, which turned out to be the Google Nexus 4 would be running Android Jelly Bean.
While the Nexus 4 didn't appear with a helping of Key Lime Pie, speculation that we reported on 21 January 2013 suggests that the Motorola X Phone is the Android 5.0-toting handset that will be revealed at Google IO. According to a post on the DroidForums website, the phone will also feature a virtually bezel-free, edge-to-edge, 5-inch display.
The same leaked Qualcomm documents cited above also made mention of a two new Snapdragon devices, one of which will be, unsurprisingly, a new Nexus phone.
Android 5.0 features
For 24 hours, it seemed as though the first kinda, sorta confirmed feature for Android 5.0 was a Google Now widget, which briefly appeared in a screenshot on the company's support forum before being taken down. As it was so hurriedly pulled, many people assumed it was slated for the big five-o and accidentally revealed early.
As it happened, the following day, on 13 February 2013, the Google Now widget rolled out to Jelly Bean.
So while we wait on Key Lime Pie features to be revealed and scour the web for more Android 5.0 news, TechRadar writer Gary Cutlack has been thinking about what we want to see in Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie. Hopefully the new mobile OS will feature some of these things...
Performance Profiles
It's bit of a fuss managing your mobile before bed time. Switching off the sound, turning off data, activating airplane mode and so on, so what Android 5.0 really needs is a simple way of managing performance, and therefore power use, automatically.
We've been given a taste of this with Blocking Mode in Samsung's Jelly Bean update on the Samsung Galaxy S3 and the Note 2 but we'd like to see the functionality expanded.
Something like a Gaming mode for max power delivery, an Overnight low-power state for slumbering on minimal power and maybe a Reading mode for no bothersome data connections and a super-low backlight.
Some hardware makers put their own little automated tools in, such as the excellent Smart Actions found within Motorola's RAZR interface, but it'd be great to see Google give us a simple way to manage states.
Another little power strip style widget for phone performance profiles would be an easy way to do it.
Better multiple device support
Google already does quite a good job of supporting serious Android nerds who own several phones and tablets, but there are some holes in its coverage that are rather frustrating.
Take the Videos app which manages your film downloads through the Play Store. Start watching a film on one Android device and you're limited to resuming your film session on that same unit, making it impossible to switch from phone to tablet mid-film.
You can switch between phone and web site players to resume watching, but surely Google ought to understand its fans often have a couple of phones and tabs on the go and fix this for Android Key Lime Pie?
Enhanced social network support
Android doesn't really do much for social network users out of the box, with most of the fancy social widgets and features coming from the hardware makers through their own custom skins.
Sony integrates Facebook brilliantly in its phones, and even LG makes a great social network aggregator widget that incorporates Facebook and Twitter - so why are there no cool aggregator apps as part of the standard Android setup?
Yes, Google does a great job of pushing Google+, but, no offence, there are many other more widely used networks that ought to be a little better "baked in" to Android.
Line-drawing keyboard options
Another area where the manufacturers have taken a big leap ahead of Google is in integrating clever alternate text entry options in their keyboards. HTC and Sony both offer their own takes on the Swype style of line-drawing text input, which is a nice option to have for getting your words onto a telephone. Get it into Android 5.0 and give us the choice.
A video chat app
How odd is it that Google's put a front-facing camera on the Nexus 7 and most hardware manufacturers do the same on their phones and tablets, yet most ship without any form of common video chat app?
You have to download Skype and hope it works, or find some other downloadable app solution. Why isn't there a Google Live See My Face Chat app of some sort as part of Android? Is it because we're too ugly? Is that what you're saying, Google?
Multi-select in the contacts
The Android contacts section is pretty useful, but it could be managed a little better. What if you have the idea of emailing or texting a handful of your friends? The way that's currently done is by emailing one, then adding the rest individually. Some sort of checkbox system that let users scroll through names and create a mailing list on the fly through the contacts listing in Android Key Lime Pie would make this much easier.
Cross-device SMS sync
If you're a constant SIM swapper with more than one phone on the go, chances are you've lost track of your text messages at some point. Google stores these on the phone rather than the SIM card, so it'd be nice if our texts could be either backed up to the SIM, the SD card, or beamed up to the magical invisible cloud of data, for easy and consistent access across multiple devices.
A "Never Update" option
This would annoy developers so is unlikely to happen, but it'd be nice if we could refuse app updates permanently in Android 5.0, just in case we'd rather stick with a current version of a tool than be forced to upgrade.
Sure, you can set apps to manual update and then just ignore the update prompt forever, but it'd be nice to know we can keep a favoured version of an app without accidentally updating it. Some of us are still using the beta Times app, for example, which has given free access for a year.
App preview/freebie codes
Something Apple's been doing for ages and ages is using a promo code system to distribute free or review versions of apps. It even makes doing little competitions to drum up publicity for apps much easier, so why's there no similar scheme for Android?
It might encourage developers to stop going down the ad-covered/freemium route if they could charge for an app but still give it away to friends and fans through a promo code system.
Final whinges and requests...
It's be nice to be able to sort the Settings screen by alphabetical order, too, or by most commonly used or personal preference, as Android's so packed with a huge list of options these days it's a big old list to scroll through and pick out what you need.
Plus could we have a percentage count for the battery in the Notifications bar for Android 5.0? Just so we know a bit more info than the vague emptying battery icon.
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Okay I wanted to drop this in about video chat. You say that Google doesn't have one right? Of I remember correctly Google talk has video.
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jlmancuso said:
Okay I wanted to drop this in about video chat. You say that Google doesn't have one right? Of I remember correctly Google talk has video.
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This one is built in,you dont have to look for it and install it from 3rd party.
Diablo67 said:
This one is built in,you dont have to look for it and install it from 3rd party.
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Google talk has built in video chat, you don't have to install anything its preloaded on every android phone for as long as I can remember.
I like to break stuff!
-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
Google talk has built in video chat, you don't have to install anything its preloaded on every android phone for as long as I can remember.
I like to break stuff!
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Most of the gapps i ever installed didnt,but yes on a sense rom you can find it and maybe an official ICS or JB that is meant for a certain phone.So i should have reworded that.You are correct though.
Hi all.. Just throwing out there my AT&T S7 edge is downloading an update at this very moment. 11:30 pm Friday night. Not sure what all it is but I'll post an update tomorrow! Hopefully they're fixing the wonky distortion on videos and fixing my problem of landscape vids not playing back in landscape! We shall see!
I just updated mine early this morning and frankly I can't tell what changed.
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From what I read in another post it was just a security patch.
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android_ace said:
From what I read in another post it was just a security patch.
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That's what I have been reading too. Didn't fix any of the number of issues I am having, so it seems to have been the case.
Symphony0fLife said:
That's what I have been reading too. Didn't fix any of the number of issues I am having, so it seems to have been the case.
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What problems are you having?
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What problems are you having?
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Tons of issues sending quality multimedia messages. I guess I'm just too used to how it worked in iOS. Sent whatever I wanted with minimal if any quality issues (only when it was an absolutely MASSIVE video). Everything on this phone gets so compressed it's not even worth sharing. Even just simple photos. Kind of a let down with the awesome camera. Slightly less important (now that I figured out a formula with package disabling and all) was how much work is involved in getting proper battery life. Having figured out that dance though it's not really a problem anymore. It's pretty silly that it was necessary at all but I can live with it.
Symphony0fLife said:
Tons of issues sending quality multimedia messages. I guess I'm just too used to how it worked in iOS. Sent whatever I wanted with minimal if any quality issues (only when it was an absolutely MASSIVE video). Everything on this phone gets so compressed it's not even worth sharing. Even just simple photos. Kind of a let down with the awesome camera. Slightly less important (now that I figured out a formula with package disabling and all) was how much work is involved in getting proper battery life. Having figured out that dance though it's not really a problem anymore. It's pretty silly that it was necessary at all but I can live with it.
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The MMS quality drop is probably my biggest complaint with Android. There is no "imessage" type messaging app that will not compress the images/videos and make them look borderline unwatchable on the receiver's end. I'm hoping the upcoming Google Allo messaging may be the answer, but as of now if I want my pics on vids to retain quality, I have to send them via FB messenger.
cadorette said:
The MMS quality drop is probably my biggest complaint with Android. There is no "imessage" type messaging app that will not compress the images/videos and make them look borderline unwatchable on the receiver's end. I'm hoping the upcoming Google Allo messaging may be the answer, but as of now if I want my pics on vids to retain quality, I have to send them via FB messenger.
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Mine too. The camera drew me to the phone. I used my sister's S7 Edge one day while playing with my niece at the park while my iPhone was charging. I immediately wanted to get one. Got one and love it... Except that all the things I do with this brilliant camera can't really be shared unless I convince my friends, family and coworkers to join Facebook, Whatsapp, Telegram, or ask them to visit a file hosting site. The camera made me want it but if I'd tried to send myself an MMS of the photos and videos I took that day the desire would have immediately passed. It's more than a bit silly. Photos are not too bad, they don't get compressed so bad that they are unviewable on another phone... But videos, frankly it's ****ing ridiculous. There's really no excuse at all for it. Maybe on cellular data but if on wifi, no excuse at all. I hope that Allo helps as well.
If not and if no solution comes around within a year or so this will have to be my first and last Android device. I can deal with the manufacturer and carriers having no clue how to optimize a device and making the end user have to do a massive dance to get through a day on a single charge. It's not like we have to set the phone up every single day so that's not such a big deal. Even the bloatware and duplicate apps are not so bad because you can force them to go away. But the MMS thing is really, really difficult to live with.
Symphony0fLife said:
Mine too. The camera drew me to the phone. I used my sister's S7 Edge one day while playing with my niece at the park while my iPhone was charging. I immediately wanted to get one. Got one and love it... Except that all the things I do with this brilliant camera can't really be shared unless I convince my friends, family and coworkers to join Facebook, Whatsapp, Telegram, or ask them to visit a file hosting site. The camera made me want it but if I'd tried to send myself an MMS of the photos and videos I took that day the desire would have immediately passed. It's more than a bit silly. Photos are not too bad, they don't get compressed so bad that they are unviewable on another phone... But videos, frankly it's ****ing ridiculous. There's really no excuse at all for it. Maybe on cellular data but if on wifi, no excuse at all. I hope that Allo helps as well.
If not and if no solution comes around within a year or so this will have to be my first and last Android device. I can deal with the manufacturer and carriers having no clue how to optimize a device and making the end user have to do a massive dance to get through a day on a single charge. It's not like we have to set the phone up every single day so that's not such a big deal. Even the bloatware and duplicate apps are not so bad because you can force them to go away. But the MMS thing is really, really difficult to live with.
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Yeah couldn't have said it better myself. Having owned and used every Android flagship since the first Galaxy S, all the HTC and Nexus and LG and Notes and everything in between, you would think it'd be an easy issue to resolve. I understand carrier bandwidth restrictions and all, but its this same issue that keeps me jumping back to an Apple device over and over. Sucks cause I'm in love with this camera.
cadorette said:
Yeah couldn't have said it better myself. Having owned and used every Android flagship since the first Galaxy S, all the HTC and Nexus and LG and Notes and everything in between, you would think it'd be an easy issue to resolve. I understand carrier bandwidth restrictions and all, but its this same issue that keeps me jumping back to an Apple device over and over. Sucks cause I'm in love with this camera.
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I understand that they have bandwidth restrictions too but it seems to be a problem that could have been resolved by now. I had no issues sending MMS messages with my iPhone, and haven't had since the very early versions. Even sending them to my friends or family who use Android, it was a pretty painless affair and the quality was fine (not as good between iOS and Android as it was iOS to iOS, but it was fine). If Apple can do it (still on AT&T) then why can't Samsung sort it out? Perhaps make it necessary with cellular data, but as far as wifi goes... It shouldn't be a problem. Could even present a warning on the recipient's end that the file will require wifi to download if need be. iOS can do it natively, third party apps for both iOS and Android can do it. While it's above my head, I can't imagine it's above theirs. Just seems lazy. Which is a shame really. This device is orders of magnitude more powerful than my 6s Plus. It's got a better camera, a beefier battery, better specs, a snappier operating system, feels better in hand, higher standard of manufacturing... It's a shame for something so basic to keep it under.
Interesting post though, I hadn't researched all the other manufacturers. I had no idea that this was a common issue across Android devices. I was thinking it was just Samsung.
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I understand that they have bandwidth restrictions too but it seems to be a problem that could have been resolved by now. I had no issues sending MMS messages with my iPhone, and haven't had since the very early versions. Even sending them to my friends or family who use Android, it was a pretty painless affair and the quality was fine (not as good between iOS and Android as it was iOS to iOS, but it was fine). If Apple can do it (still on AT&T) then why can't Samsung sort it out? Perhaps make it necessary with cellular data, but as far as wifi goes... It shouldn't be a problem. Could even present a warning on the recipient's end that the file will require wifi to download if need be. iOS can do it natively, third party apps for both iOS and Android can do it. While it's above my head, I can't imagine it's above theirs. Just seems lazy. Which is a shame really. This device is orders of magnitude more powerful than my 6s Plus. It's got a better camera, a beefier battery, better specs, a snappier operating system, feels better in hand, higher standard of manufacturing... It's a shame for something so basic to keep it under.
Interesting post though, I hadn't researched all the other manufacturers. I had no idea that this was a common issue across Android devices. I was thinking it was just Samsung.
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Yes. It's Android in general. Even Android to Android, unless you're both using something like whatsapp or something. I have to tell family and friends whenever I swap from iOS to Android again to send videos to my FB messenger so they won't be all distorted. And yes seems like a simple fix and its hard for me to believe there hasn't been more outcry about it and something done about it. I agree with everything you said above, as in, make them wait for WiFi to download the message if need be. That would even be acceptable
It could be just like the whole bloatware thing. Apple has the power to refuse bloat from the cell companies. Android phone manufacturers don't seem to have that power. I think the carriers are most likely at fault.
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MMS by-definition uses cellular data. If you need to prove this to yourself you can turn off all data connections (wifi and mobile data - 3g/4g/edge/lte) and try to send an SMS and an MMS. The SMS can go through still, the MMS can not.
But, the MMS protocols define a number of points where content may be transformed from the original.
The short version is that content goes from source handset to a server (MMMC), and from that server potentially hopped to other servers, until it finally goes from the delivery server to the target handset. To my light reading it's possible that the content is transformed at any/all of these stages. How to avoid needless quality reduction is a question of how to originally encode the content and how the servers are configured to react to specific messaging user agents.
I would not at all be surprised that Apple has gone to aggressive lengths to ensure that the various MMMC are configure to integrate nicely with Apple iOS MMS client. Similarly, I would hope that Google has the base messaging software similarly tuned, but would not be surprised that they haven't. I would be significantly impressed if ANY 3rd party Android MMS client had worked with the telcos to ensure strong media compatibility. That seems like a ton of work that just isn't going to happen outside of a large corporate structure. Telcos, at least US ones, don't seem to like to Play Nice in that way, for no profit. This is all personal speculation of course.
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It could be just like the whole bloatware thing. Apple has the power to refuse bloat from the cell companies. Android phone manufacturers don't seem to have that power. I think the carriers are most likely at fault.
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Good point, but also on bloatware, sadly the detrimental stuff is put on by Samsung themselves. That's another problem, but again since it's so easy to get rid of it's tolerable.
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MMS by-definition uses cellular data. If you need to prove this to yourself you can turn off all data connections (wifi and mobile data - 3g/4g/edge/lte) and try to send an SMS and an MMS. The SMS can go through still, the MMS can not.
But, the MMS protocols define a number of points where content may be transformed from the original.
The short version is that content goes from source handset to a server (MMMC), and from that server potentially hopped to other servers, until it finally goes from the delivery server to the target handset. To my light reading it's possible that the content is transformed at any/all of these stages. How to avoid needless quality reduction is a question of how to originally encode the content and how the servers are configured to react to specific messaging user agents.
I would not at all be surprised that Apple has gone to aggressive lengths to ensure that the various MMMC are configure to integrate nicely with Apple iOS MMS client. Similarly, I would hope that Google has the base messaging software similarly tuned, but would not be surprised that they haven't. I would be significantly impressed if ANY 3rd party Android MMS client had worked with the telcos to ensure strong media compatibility. That seems like a ton of work that just isn't going to happen outside of a large corporate structure. Telcos, at least US ones, don't seem to like to Play Nice in that way, for no profit. This is all personal speculation of course.
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Good information! Thanks for providing it. It was just a shock. Somehow when sending from iOS it just doesn't lose the quality like that. It'll still look brilliant even if played on a 1080 TV. I realize Apple (for some reason) has far more clout with companies and are in a position to demand whatever they like really for any reason or no reason at all... but I wish the same was true of Android devices/manufacturers/Google. I'll have to research it all because I'm very curious how it works. I mean granted you can still email stuff (unless it goes over 25MB apparently), you can still use third party apps or hosting services - it just seems a little unnecessary.
At the end of the day, it's a great phone and I love it. I'll get used to all that stuff I'm sure.
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MMS by-definition uses cellular data. If you need to prove this to yourself you can turn off all data connections (wifi and mobile data - 3g/4g/edge/lte) and try to send an SMS and an MMS. The SMS can go through still, the MMS can not.
But, the MMS protocols define a number of points where content may be transformed from the original.
The short version is that content goes from source handset to a server (MMMC), and from that server potentially hopped to other servers, until it finally goes from the delivery server to the target handset. To my light reading it's possible that the content is transformed at any/all of these stages. How to avoid needless quality reduction is a question of how to originally encode the content and how the servers are configured to react to specific messaging user agents.
I would not at all be surprised that Apple has gone to aggressive lengths to ensure that the various MMMC are configure to integrate nicely with Apple iOS MMS client. Similarly, I would hope that Google has the base messaging software similarly tuned, but would not be surprised that they haven't. I would be significantly impressed if ANY 3rd party Android MMS client had worked with the telcos to ensure strong media compatibility. That seems like a ton of work that just isn't going to happen outside of a large corporate structure. Telcos, at least US ones, don't seem to like to Play Nice in that way, for no profit. This is all personal speculation of course.
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iOS sends just as poor quality photos and videos as Android over MMS. The only reason sending photos and videos from iPhone to iPhone looks good is because it doesn't use MMS at all, but iMessage. To test this for yourself, disable iMessage on an iPhone and send a video. You'll barely be able to make it out. It will look just like videos sent over MMS from Android. The problem is not with Android, but with MMS itself. It's old technology and it doesn't matter which operating system you use, it's going to suck. There is an updated MMS standard that would allow for high quality photos and videos to be sent, but I don't think any carriers have implemented it yet. It's up to them.
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iOS sends just as poor quality photos and videos as Android over MMS. The only reason sending photos and videos from iPhone to iPhone looks good is because it doesn't use MMS at all, but iMessage.
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I held that theory privately, but since I don't use an iPhone any more I could not test/verify myself.
I seem to recall there are Android SMS apps which can route MMS content via a proprietary cloud service, but you would lose compatibility with any peer device not using the same service, for the same reason iMessage has its use constraints.
It's probably just easier to convince your friends to use WhatsApp or Hangouts though.
When my parents send me videos over MMS from iphones they are unwatchable.
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On a side note, when I want to send videos to people, I upload them to youtube and then send a link.
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iOS sends just as poor quality photos and videos as Android over MMS. The only reason sending photos and videos from iPhone to iPhone looks good is because it doesn't use MMS at all, but iMessage. To test this for yourself, disable iMessage on an iPhone and send a video. You'll barely be able to make it out. It will look just like videos sent over MMS from Android. The problem is not with Android, but with MMS itself. It's old technology and it doesn't matter which operating system you use, it's going to suck. There is an updated MMS standard that would allow for high quality photos and videos to be sent, but I don't think any carriers have implemented it yet. It's up to them.
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Strange. Disabling iMessage and sending still results in perfectly fine media here. From my 6s Plus to my S7 Edge. However sending the same video from my S7 to my iPhone results in an unwatchable video. I'll have to play with it, maybe try some larger videos later.
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My Places
Hate to break the iPhone-Android MMS conversation that's been going, but I noticed one change in the update (AT&T SM-G935A) that really set me off.
Has anyone else noticed that their "My Places" Edge Panel has been removed? I used it ALL the time, it was a super helpful way to shortcut to my favorite apps depending on where I am at the time. The option for "My Places" is NOWHERE to be found in the settings or the Edge Panel menu anymore after the update, I hope this is temporary. I agree, I bought this phone for the camera, as well as the Ingress Protection rating (IP-68) for water resistance and a few other reasons.
EDIT: Somehow the application was disabled after the update, all is well and working now.
My Places is still on mine, no problems, SM-G935A on APF2