.ducks/rolls. Hey - It's not nice to throw things.
Ok, I know it's been asked a million times, so before you cut my heart out and eat it with buttered toast, hear me out. I understand that pin messaging is on a closed network, I have searched the forums here, and numerous other places, and everyone agrees on the same thing.
Blackberry just released the 4.6 JDE publicly.
There is a website, Web2Pin, that provides free priority 1 messages to blackberries; and offers to design services around the BBM platform, but they charge an extraordinary amount of money and deal only with corporations.
My thoughts are that there has to be a secondary licensing system from blackberry, and that there has to be a way to design third party software, because it's obviously been done.
I'm not Java-wise, nor Android-wise, so my logic is most likely flawed, but I thought I'd put it out there and see what happens.
dismal moron said:
.ducks/rolls. Hey - It's not nice to throw things.
Ok, I know it's been asked a million times, so before you cut my heart out and eat it with buttered toast, hear me out. I understand that pin messaging is on a closed network, I have searched the forums here, and numerous other places, and everyone agrees on the same thing.
Blackberry just released the 4.6 JDE publicly.
There is a website, Web2Pin, that provides free priority 1 messages to blackberries; and offers to design services around the BBM platform, but they charge an extraordinary amount of money and deal only with corporations.
My thoughts are that there has to be a secondary licensing system from blackberry, and that there has to be a way to design third party software, because it's obviously been done.
I'm not Java-wise, nor Android-wise, so my logic is most likely flawed, but I thought I'd put it out there and see what happens.
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I'm a long time blackberry user (since the 7100 series) I know this has been talked about several times...I know it has something to do with having a valid pin as thats how bbm communicates with the BIS servers. The program would have to clone a pin or something and be able to ping the server and get access I would think...BlackBerry development has reached several third parties but bbm is a core app and liscensed by RIM so I dont know if or how it could be done would be nice...The final insult to injury lol.
@Sunder74
That's what I had originally thought as well. But I also remember a few years ago when there was a little known, functioning application for WM5 that would do pin messaging (I had tested it while I was working Data Tech at a VZW Call Center).
There's also the up and coming Blackberry Application Suite. It currently only works with BES. I've a hunch that it's probably because they're going to sell pin numbers to corporations or bes server admins.
My other thought is, RIM would probably be more open to selling PIN licenses to individuals if there was a functional, stable piece of software (or base coding) for them to advertise alongside it.
Before the Blackberry App store, I remember going to a website that linked to a bunch of OTA installers grouped by category.
I don't just really want this to work. All the pieces seem to be there. Web2pin proves that the licenses can be purchased and used with bis, somehow. BBAS is about to roll out on WM. It's has to be possible.
I know! I'll sit down in my thinking chair and... Think. Think. Think.
I think the issue here is your all thinking inside the box. Android developers should design there own bbm styled app where android users would get AndroidPins and using the exact framework to create a competition and not a way to just communicate to bb people.
Android Messenger
ver 1.0
Android Pins: A9999-A999999999
Can send msgs threw data just like black berries
Would be free and you could make a donation or pay 1$ for the app
you register your number on the app and you recieve a android pin from the server
and basiclly figure out how to send pushes for when the person recieves and opens and responds to the message
the concept is there for android but i dont think people realize that black berry is like apple they try to close source there stuff which is ok but when android is open source you can litterally work on setting this app to work for communicating with apple iphones maybe blackberries too if you have the skill
just throwin around that idea
I do not know if you have ever noticed this, but bbm is RIM's largest ad campaign. There is very little chance that they would sell bbm PIN's.
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actually theres a app being developed for android its called Hello Messenger. Its already out for iOS and Blackberrys, it works just like bbm, with pin numbers and group chats. Follow them on twitter, @hellomessenger. Also theres a Android beta coming out soon, I signed up for it at http://hellomessenger.com/android/. Tell your friends.
Can't Google Talk be categorized here? Seeing as most Android users are using google accounts? Pingchat is coming to Android soon too http://pingchat.com/
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Can't Google Talk be categorized here? Seeing as most Android users are using google accounts? Pingchat is coming to Android soon too http://pingchat.com/
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Its already out. Search in market
there's also whatsapp
im waiting for WhatsApp it is out for iOS, BBOS, they are developing it for Android 2.1+, WM and S60. It uses your mobile number as your pin so to speak.
Whatsapp is already there. I have it installed on my Desire. You download the app and they have to let you logging, because its a preview, but fully working.
Y will search for the link
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"We have authorized your phone to participate in our beta test. The url for installation is
http:// beta.whatsapp.com/WhatsApp.apk
As this is a very early beta, please let us know if you are able to install successfully Any questions or support go to [email protected] When sending us bugs, please use this route Chats > Menu Settings > About > Contact Us so that we may receive logs at the same time."
Send to them an e-mail saying that you have an android phone and that you want to test their soft and you will get an email similar to that one.
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I get a message saying you are not authorized in the beta. How do i get round that?
You have to send an email to the adress posted before. You have yo tell them that you want to try their soft as beta tester in your android phone.
After few hours/days you will get an email like the one i posted allowing you to use the soft.
I forgot yo say that You have to include in the email your full mobile number (with country code), the same that you use in the app. They use it to activate your app.
Me and my friends used blackberry messenger for the longest time. Mainly the groupchat feature because it was basically a live chat room for only your friends to share pics voice records and randomness. Unfortunately both pinchat and whatsapp do not supply a good group chat. pinchat does have a group chat but its garbage compared to the BBmsger group chat and whatsapp is just flawed. I am still in search for a good group chat program that is also cross platform. or at least on android.
Non-BB users underestimate how much people love BBM. If there's going to be a cross-platform alternative, it has to do everything that BBM does as close to the way BBM does it as possible. PingChat and WhatsApp come close, but they aren't going to win over BBM users with their subtle, but important deficiencies. I'm looking forwards to the Android release of Hello! to compare.
The biggest problem is that BBM comes installed on BlackBerry phones, and it's going to be VERY hard convincing BB users to install something else. Android and iPhone users are more happy to install new apps, but having everyone pick one app and stick with it is a challenge as well.
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Non-BB users underestimate how much people love BBM. If there's going to be a cross-platform alternative, it has to do everything that BBM does as close to the way BBM does it as possible. PingChat and WhatsApp come close, but they aren't going to win over BBM users with their subtle, but important deficiencies. I'm looking forwards to the Android release of Hello! to compare.
The biggest problem is that BBM comes installed on BlackBerry phones, and it's going to be VERY hard convincing BB users to install something else. Android and iPhone users are more happy to install new apps, but having everyone pick one app and stick with it is a challenge as well.
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Why not try ICQ, throwing a homage to the original IM. Its got native clients for most, if not all platforms. Its even usually listed as a quick install link on BB. Facebook chat is integrated (on desktop and Android versions, don't knpw about Java/Symbian and iOS). You get a number for anti-spaming (like a PIN if you REALLY want to emulate BB).
Yes, some would say "just use X IM app then." But its the only one with native support other than fring. And I find fring clumsy, plus does not have a desktop version.
I have BBM on my work BB. And I know that its superior in a lot of ways, but willing to bet that the reason a lot of features aren't being duplicated are likely legal, not technical, reasons. So I think this is a viable option until whatsapp or others have the kinks worked out (have yet to have a successful convo in 2 days!). Maybe with enough interest they can get the things we want added.
there is app called crosstalk
but i don't know when they will release it
it's written in the official site it will com at the end of aug
but tell now nothing!!!
check this site for more info
http://www.blueplanetapps.com/products/CrossTalk.aspx
2 quick questions..
Why doesn't google talk use the new google push?(would save battery)
Also can't some one use the new push service google made to power a chat program?
http://code.google.com/apis/feed/push/
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I was curious as to see if there were fellow G1 owners out there that use there's not only for play and modding but for business as well. I personally do as that was the purpose for me actually getting a G1 the open source idea was an added bonus. But in dealing with freelance web design I have had a really good outcome using my phone for business matter.
So I ask is business a secondary factor for your G1 people out there?
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I was curious as to see if there were fellow G1 owners out there that use there's not only for play and modding but for business as well. I personally do as that was the purpose for me actually getting a G1 the open source idea was an added bonus. But in dealing with freelance web design I have had a really good outcome using my phone for business matter.
So I ask is business a secondary factor for your G1 people out there?
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I use my G1 for both business and personal reasons. Google really walks the walk when they say the "Google Experience".
Before, the G1 I heavily relied on exchange mail, but I don't need it now. Gmail offers push email, domain related host email and I can even track my site's analytics with DroidAnalytics and Adsense.
BTW, I need to make some design changes to my site, are you interested?
sorry double post...
yea, i do computer repairs on the side. i sometimes use the g1 to backup data or tether internet for upgrades etc.. also depending on the rom your running you can take advantage of integrated exchange support.
For me for some reason I never use the exchange support I use the email app for my business email and of course gmail...hence [email protected] but I am hoping we get 2.0 support so we can have 2 gmail accounts loaded then I can have my partners email for when he cant answer his.
I am the lead designer he is my coder plus long time friend lol.
I just got an email from Google saying that I qualify to get a Verizon Droid or Nexus One for having an app with over 5,000 active downloads from the market (which I do) for free through their seeding program.
Has anyone else received this and can vouch for the truthfulness of the offer?
Thanks!
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I just got an email from Google saying that I qualify to get a Verizon Droid or Nexus One for having an app with over 5,000 active downloads from the market (which I do) for free through their seeding program.
Has anyone else received this and can vouch for the truthfulness of the offer?
Thanks!
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http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/49da01a3cb7f8803?pli=1
Quite a few news outlets reporting the same as well (5k+ dls and 3.5+ stars apps)
Congrats man! I'd be super stoked if I were you... get the Nexus One!
If you read through all 80+ messages in that thread, people from Google do confirm it is NOT fake.
Congrats!
Wow, that's damn nice of Google, especially since the requirements seem very reasonable (5000 downloads, 3.5 rating).
I don't think you get to pick which device you get, however.
I received it too. IT'S SO NICE! THANKS GOOGLE! I'm in EU so I'll get a nexus one for sure =)
I got the email as well. I couldn't go to the Google event in London where they gave out free phones, so this is a nice surprise
Congratz guys! Yes I've read bout that too, and its great of Google to appreciate your hard work.
So tell us what apps you guys made so we can try em out.
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Congrats man! I'd be super stoked if I were you... get the Nexus One!
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Correction... if you're dev'ing games, then get the Droid. Seems the N1's touchscreen isn't as advanced when it comes to MT.
Becoming an android developer is slowly a no brainer.
Google gives you an updated device every chance they get.
So that you can develop next gen apps at their expense.
Seriously why people are still stuck developing on the iphone and not making a transition to android is beyond me.
Im sure they can dual program java and OBJ-C (objective languages)
Thats cool i hope next year i can attand a few google events or mayybe have an app in the store.
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Becoming an android developer is slowly a no brainer.
Google gives you an updated device every chance they get.
So that you can develop next gen apps at their expense.
Seriously why people are still stuck developing on the iphone and not making a transition to android is beyond me.
Im sure they can dual program java and OBJ-C (objective languages)
Thats cool i hope next year i can attand a few google events or mayybe have an app in the store.
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Just wanted to say whats up GnOve!!!
GNOve said:
Seriously why people are still stuck developing on the iphone and not making a transition to android is beyond me.
Im sure they can dual program java and OBJ-C (objective languages)
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Technically, I guess they can. But Apple's not about technic, it's about religion. ("Google wants your data, but Apple wants your soul")
Now, seriously. I really think Apple often polarizes with its easy to use but very homogene and restricted concept. So a lot of Apple users/developers wouldn't touch a non-Apple device (aka "blatant rippoffs") with a stick, while a lot of Android users/developers despise Apple's restrictions (and costs).
Of course most professional software companies prefer money over religios wars, but lots of apps are from hobby developers.
Besides, the differences in development aren't defined by the language's syntax but the used frameworks and APIs. Even though they're "object oriented", there are worlds between VC++/MFC, VC++/SDK, C#/.NET, Java/Swing, Java/Struts(Cx), Java/JSF, Android, and Objective C. Dialogs/forms are created differently, user interaction is handled differently, frontend/backend separation works differently, there are "specials" like MS' "device contexts", different XML files and annotations for Java frameworks, or Android's "Intents", etc.
Anyone found any updates/information about this?
I'd love to get a mail with a "we've confirmed your registration, you'll recieve a device between X and X" or something like that.
Absolutely cool.
Guess I need to start developing for android.
Now to figure out the next big thing and to learn a language that results in an app.. Hell, I've learned 12 different programming languages, whats one more. LOL.
Official FAQ.
http://sites.google.com/site/developermarketandroidgiveaway/faq
David Horn said:
Official FAQ.
http://sites.google.com/site/developermarketandroidgiveaway/faq
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Thanks a lot, dont know how I missed that!
Wow, this truly is amazing. I don't have enough downloads on my two apps but I do have the ratings. Oh well. I need to write apps that will be more widely used.
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Anyone found any updates/information about this?
I'd love to get a mail with a "we've confirmed your registration, you'll recieve a device between X and X" or something like that.
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I just received this email a few minutes ago
Code:
Dear Guy,
We’ve received your information for the Android Market Device Seeding Program and have successfully validated the Google Order Number from your developer account.
Your information will now be sent to our shipping partner for order processing. Just to confirm, the information we received from you was:
Guy Mobile
"PERSONAL INFO"
"EMAIL
"PHONE"
If you need to make any changes to your information above, please contact us at [email protected] as soon as possible. Otherwise, you should receive your phone in 2-4 weeks!
On behalf of the Android team,
Thanks, and happy coding!
Google, Inc.
1600 Amphitheater Parkway
Mountain View, CA 94043
I just received that email too! Yesssss
Pmessenger , how do they use this?
http://www.pmessenger.net/faq
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-hambelsoftware-pm-iAwD.aspx
Just like the BBM for Blackberry...oh and your welcome
seems like a good app. there is also pingchat2 which is beta right now n im testing it n it works pretty good. chat between bb users, android users n iphone users, group chat also. just gotta figure out a way to chat directly to bbm, i no its a closed protocol, but that would be cool.
It would be a cool application for someone who -
1 - Doesn't have unlimited texts
2 - Has numerous contacts with Android, BB or iPhones
IMHO, might be pretty pointless if you have unlimited messaging.
Either way if you want to give it a shot, post some feedback about it
I've been testing pmessenger for a while now on my blackberry, iphone, and droid. I'm trying to develop something better kinda a bit closer to blackberry messenger.
Ok, this is probably HIGHLY unlikely, probably IMPOSSIBLE, but does anyone see a future for having BBM on an Android device? Lol, just wondering.
EDIT: I'm talking about the ACTUAL Blackberry Messenger NOT imitation applications.
i miss bbm as well ! i was told its not possible because bbm goes through bis, and our phones dont have a pin# ?
Correct. Completely impossible. Android has no way of connecting to a BIS.
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Oo, darn. I'm trying out my friends Blackberry and I'm starting to like BBM, but I don't think I'm going to keep it, I like my droid too much.
another reason it wont work is that it uses the blackberry's pin number...we obviously dont have those
Liveprofile is the way to go.
You can't talk to people with blackberry PIN's but you can talk to all android user's and maybe iphone users. Not sure but it does show D delivered and R recieved and also you can see when they're typing.
Yeah, but I'm from the Detroit area, and for some reason the Android scene hasn't come yet. Everyone is still using blackberry's. I feel like I'm the only Android but I still love my droid. I wish more people had Android where I'm from :/
You Droid is better than the Blackberries, don't let the clique coolness of BBM discourage you. Good old text messages aren't outdated just yet.
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You Droid is better than the Blackberries, don't let the clique coolness of BBM discourage you. Good old text messages aren't outdated just yet.
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Lol so true, we need to convert everyone to Android! For like a week I guess BBM was down and people started using GTalk, I felt cool for once!
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Yeah, but I'm from the Detroit area, and for some reason the Android scene hasn't come yet. Everyone is still using blackberry's. I feel like I'm the only Android but I still love my droid. I wish more people had Android where I'm from :/
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I'm from the Detroit area and I have a Droid 2. A few people at work have them too, plus I've converted a few to Androids, including an iPhone user. lol
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I'm from the Detroit area and I have a Droid 2. A few people at work have them too, plus I've converted a few to Androids, including an iPhone user. lol
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Yeah lol, I got a couple of my friends to convert, but other than that in like the West Bloomfield/Farmington Hills area, it's all blackberry phones :/
RIM Blackberry Services on NON-BB Devices SOLVED
Anything is possible guys, the people that bring us apps and OS's in question always limit what we can do with it in order to one day unlock the feature we want at a cost. BBM for many people is a very cheap way to communicate wordwide like skype and msn ect but without real-time voip or voip (video).. RIM has said they will bring the BBM or and or the whole OS to other devices. The biggest problem is that everyone wants stuff but never willing to pay for it. BB and the PIN from RIM withing BB only devices is a way to keep us on a BB device which means no matter what phone we have like i have an HD2 / WIN 6.5/ Android via SD, we still have to have a crappy or really expensive BB. I'm sure if people started to go into their pockets and donating to devs or even went into official BB forums and asked RIM representatives to initiate a premium service package for other devices to use another form of PIN thats software driven at extra cost than buying a BB or better yet, if u own a BB and are prepared to get a cheap BB device just so u got a pin and use it remotely to push BB info and BBM stuff like how the BB PLAYBOOK I believe will run BBM. At present, a bb pin is required so in order to be part of the RIM service you must have a Blackberry so in a DEV's way of thinking, we need to somehow create a bluetooth or GSM driven app that can transmit all BBM activity to a non-BB device..
http://www.bgr.com/2011/03/03/exclusive-blackberry-messenger-will-launch-on-android-and-ios/
Greetings from Germany!
I received my Aquaris Ubuntu phone yesterday, 19.03.2015. Needless to say I was excited but also wasn't expecting much since it's the new kid on the block.
I want to be clear that the cons that I point out only reflect my opinion and in no way should they be construed as an attack on Canonical or a diminishment on their attempts to break into the mobile space.
I've been a linux user since 2006 and an ubuntu user since version 8.04 and while I wasn't expecting much I still wanted to support Canonical's efforts by purchasing their first unit that they offered to us end users.
I was a power Android user for 4 years before I switched to the Nokia N9 for a year and then to the Blackberry Z30 for the past year. I'm partial to gesture based OSs hence why I use and enjoy BB10OS so I was stoked to learn that Ubuntu Touch is a gesture based OS.
First the pros:
1. Love the UI and the simplicity of it. Reading the Help app and swiping N,S,E,W pretty much gets you up and running.
2. Idea of Scopes and how they're implemented. When I first read about it I wasn't impressed...after seeing it in person I really like it.
3. There's just under a 1000 apps/scopes in the store and I've found quite a bit of good stuff already....travel, public transport, translate, online shopping, social, etc
Granted, alot of the "apps" open mobile versions of websites but I've also installed genuine, native apps. The mobile websites don't bother me but that is a subjective thing.
Now the cons:
1. Contacts and calendar sync is Google only...no option to set up a Carddav or Caldav servers.
2. No built in email client
In regards to #1, this is in my view a huge mistake. I made a conscious decision a year ago to completely move away from Google services. I use Memotoo for contacts and calendar. Why in god's name Canonical would make everything Google centric relegates the phone to a "neat toy". They're essentially dictating what services I have to have in order to use their product. Bewildering to say the least since this is linux. We're not talking about proprietary standards here either...Carddav and Caldav are free to use and implement. No work even needs to be done on their end as syncevolution is a finished and complete product.
Point #2, WTF are they thinking? Remember how much flak Blackberry took for not including a native client in the Playbook? Canonical should be hammered in the same way for releasing a mobile phone without email capabilities. The only options in the store are webapps for once again, Google, Yahoo and an email client, Dekko, that just offers the same thing as the webapps but is a genuine native app...however, no IMAP or POP capabilities. You can also forget about Exchange support. I think that is a pipe dream at this stage. In regards to Exchange support, I have no problem paying for this as I don't expect that to come for free.
While I wasn't expecting much and was already prepared to not have many things that I do with Blackberry I was left scratching my head with what was left out as these are very big things to leave out...these are open, non proprietary standards (Caldav, Carddav, IMAP, POP).
If you rely on google services then you'll enjoy the full experience of Ubuntu Touch and I highly recommend you take the plunge...if not, then you're left out in the cold for now. Hopefully in the next 6-12 months Canonical or the community will have these things ironed out.
For now my Ubuntu phone is going in the drawer and I'm going back to my Z30. I'm a service rep and I have to be able to call and email clients when I'm in the field and be able to email and communicate with the home office hence why I need contact sync, email and calendar support via my employer and Memotoo. Without these basic necessities the phone is useless for me.
Best Regards,
sb74
Well it is Linux, surely u can just install what you need.
personally I like using mutt for emails across all distros, but should be easy to install a arm pkg for another client you'd like or get involved with software developement?
Im not a massive fan of google but contact sync is ok since I'm coming from android.
For CardDav/Cal Dav I think somebody just needs to implement an OnlineAccounts provider for your service, the same as how the Google provider does it.
Dekko works fine with IMAP, though not POP (the core of Dekko is Trojita, which is IMAP only). It is not developed by Canonical and is currently in the middle of some pretty big changes, but ultimately it's the OEM who decides which apps to ship by default.
BTW, if you don't have it already, get the Forum Browser app to read and post here ?
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BQ aquaris ubuntu E5 and whatsapp
is there anyone who could tell me if i can get whatsapp going on my device. its running ubuntu 14.0
thanks to snowboarder74 for this informative review.
now, half a year later, i would be interested in getting a ubuntu phone.
what do you think? esp. as to the cons #1 and #2 pointed out in the original post?
Anyone know if these issues are still valid?
No native whatsapp client yet
Zoebruwer said:
is there anyone who could tell me if i can get whatsapp going on my device. its running ubuntu 14.0
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Sorry, we're into OTA-13 now and we still don't have it. Also, I don't think we will have a client in the near future. Some have suggested Whatsapp web but that is not the best given the ease we have as using on other platforms.
As a suggestion, you can use Telegram, which is available on almost all mobile platforms under the sun. Of course, it is up to you :angel: