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.ducks/rolls. Hey - It's not nice to throw things.
Ok, I know it's been asked a million times, so before you cut my heart out and eat it with buttered toast, hear me out. I understand that pin messaging is on a closed network, I have searched the forums here, and numerous other places, and everyone agrees on the same thing.
Blackberry just released the 4.6 JDE publicly.
There is a website, Web2Pin, that provides free priority 1 messages to blackberries; and offers to design services around the BBM platform, but they charge an extraordinary amount of money and deal only with corporations.
My thoughts are that there has to be a secondary licensing system from blackberry, and that there has to be a way to design third party software, because it's obviously been done.
I'm not Java-wise, nor Android-wise, so my logic is most likely flawed, but I thought I'd put it out there and see what happens.
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.ducks/rolls. Hey - It's not nice to throw things.
Ok, I know it's been asked a million times, so before you cut my heart out and eat it with buttered toast, hear me out. I understand that pin messaging is on a closed network, I have searched the forums here, and numerous other places, and everyone agrees on the same thing.
Blackberry just released the 4.6 JDE publicly.
There is a website, Web2Pin, that provides free priority 1 messages to blackberries; and offers to design services around the BBM platform, but they charge an extraordinary amount of money and deal only with corporations.
My thoughts are that there has to be a secondary licensing system from blackberry, and that there has to be a way to design third party software, because it's obviously been done.
I'm not Java-wise, nor Android-wise, so my logic is most likely flawed, but I thought I'd put it out there and see what happens.
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I'm a long time blackberry user (since the 7100 series) I know this has been talked about several times...I know it has something to do with having a valid pin as thats how bbm communicates with the BIS servers. The program would have to clone a pin or something and be able to ping the server and get access I would think...BlackBerry development has reached several third parties but bbm is a core app and liscensed by RIM so I dont know if or how it could be done would be nice...The final insult to injury lol.
@Sunder74
That's what I had originally thought as well. But I also remember a few years ago when there was a little known, functioning application for WM5 that would do pin messaging (I had tested it while I was working Data Tech at a VZW Call Center).
There's also the up and coming Blackberry Application Suite. It currently only works with BES. I've a hunch that it's probably because they're going to sell pin numbers to corporations or bes server admins.
My other thought is, RIM would probably be more open to selling PIN licenses to individuals if there was a functional, stable piece of software (or base coding) for them to advertise alongside it.
Before the Blackberry App store, I remember going to a website that linked to a bunch of OTA installers grouped by category.
I don't just really want this to work. All the pieces seem to be there. Web2pin proves that the licenses can be purchased and used with bis, somehow. BBAS is about to roll out on WM. It's has to be possible.
I know! I'll sit down in my thinking chair and... Think. Think. Think.
I think the issue here is your all thinking inside the box. Android developers should design there own bbm styled app where android users would get AndroidPins and using the exact framework to create a competition and not a way to just communicate to bb people.
Android Messenger
ver 1.0
Android Pins: A9999-A999999999
Can send msgs threw data just like black berries
Would be free and you could make a donation or pay 1$ for the app
you register your number on the app and you recieve a android pin from the server
and basiclly figure out how to send pushes for when the person recieves and opens and responds to the message
the concept is there for android but i dont think people realize that black berry is like apple they try to close source there stuff which is ok but when android is open source you can litterally work on setting this app to work for communicating with apple iphones maybe blackberries too if you have the skill
just throwin around that idea
I do not know if you have ever noticed this, but bbm is RIM's largest ad campaign. There is very little chance that they would sell bbm PIN's.
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actually theres a app being developed for android its called Hello Messenger. Its already out for iOS and Blackberrys, it works just like bbm, with pin numbers and group chats. Follow them on twitter, @hellomessenger. Also theres a Android beta coming out soon, I signed up for it at http://hellomessenger.com/android/. Tell your friends.
Can't Google Talk be categorized here? Seeing as most Android users are using google accounts? Pingchat is coming to Android soon too http://pingchat.com/
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Can't Google Talk be categorized here? Seeing as most Android users are using google accounts? Pingchat is coming to Android soon too http://pingchat.com/
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Its already out. Search in market
there's also whatsapp
im waiting for WhatsApp it is out for iOS, BBOS, they are developing it for Android 2.1+, WM and S60. It uses your mobile number as your pin so to speak.
Whatsapp is already there. I have it installed on my Desire. You download the app and they have to let you logging, because its a preview, but fully working.
Y will search for the link
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"We have authorized your phone to participate in our beta test. The url for installation is
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As this is a very early beta, please let us know if you are able to install successfully Any questions or support go to [email protected] When sending us bugs, please use this route Chats > Menu Settings > About > Contact Us so that we may receive logs at the same time."
Send to them an e-mail saying that you have an android phone and that you want to test their soft and you will get an email similar to that one.
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I get a message saying you are not authorized in the beta. How do i get round that?
You have to send an email to the adress posted before. You have yo tell them that you want to try their soft as beta tester in your android phone.
After few hours/days you will get an email like the one i posted allowing you to use the soft.
I forgot yo say that You have to include in the email your full mobile number (with country code), the same that you use in the app. They use it to activate your app.
Me and my friends used blackberry messenger for the longest time. Mainly the groupchat feature because it was basically a live chat room for only your friends to share pics voice records and randomness. Unfortunately both pinchat and whatsapp do not supply a good group chat. pinchat does have a group chat but its garbage compared to the BBmsger group chat and whatsapp is just flawed. I am still in search for a good group chat program that is also cross platform. or at least on android.
Non-BB users underestimate how much people love BBM. If there's going to be a cross-platform alternative, it has to do everything that BBM does as close to the way BBM does it as possible. PingChat and WhatsApp come close, but they aren't going to win over BBM users with their subtle, but important deficiencies. I'm looking forwards to the Android release of Hello! to compare.
The biggest problem is that BBM comes installed on BlackBerry phones, and it's going to be VERY hard convincing BB users to install something else. Android and iPhone users are more happy to install new apps, but having everyone pick one app and stick with it is a challenge as well.
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Non-BB users underestimate how much people love BBM. If there's going to be a cross-platform alternative, it has to do everything that BBM does as close to the way BBM does it as possible. PingChat and WhatsApp come close, but they aren't going to win over BBM users with their subtle, but important deficiencies. I'm looking forwards to the Android release of Hello! to compare.
The biggest problem is that BBM comes installed on BlackBerry phones, and it's going to be VERY hard convincing BB users to install something else. Android and iPhone users are more happy to install new apps, but having everyone pick one app and stick with it is a challenge as well.
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Why not try ICQ, throwing a homage to the original IM. Its got native clients for most, if not all platforms. Its even usually listed as a quick install link on BB. Facebook chat is integrated (on desktop and Android versions, don't knpw about Java/Symbian and iOS). You get a number for anti-spaming (like a PIN if you REALLY want to emulate BB).
Yes, some would say "just use X IM app then." But its the only one with native support other than fring. And I find fring clumsy, plus does not have a desktop version.
I have BBM on my work BB. And I know that its superior in a lot of ways, but willing to bet that the reason a lot of features aren't being duplicated are likely legal, not technical, reasons. So I think this is a viable option until whatsapp or others have the kinks worked out (have yet to have a successful convo in 2 days!). Maybe with enough interest they can get the things we want added.
there is app called crosstalk
but i don't know when they will release it
it's written in the official site it will com at the end of aug
but tell now nothing!!!
check this site for more info
http://www.blueplanetapps.com/products/CrossTalk.aspx
2 quick questions..
Why doesn't google talk use the new google push?(would save battery)
Also can't some one use the new push service google made to power a chat program?
http://code.google.com/apis/feed/push/
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? Hmm.. any one?
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Hi,
I work for Tango - the newest player in mobile video calling. Hopefully some of you have been able to play around with our app.
We released our application last week, and have been listening to users on some of the items we need to fix/improve with our application.
I am looking for 5-10 HTC EVO users that can help me out with beta testing our product.
The requirements:
1. You have a HTC EVO and feel comfortable installing Beta software on your phone.
2. You can devote 2-3 hours every few weeks to provide us feedback.
3. You feel comfortable having a video call with me (I promise I'm not that scary).
4. You will not share new features with our competitors.
I would prefer to find people who can test this weekend - we have a big fix regarding our battery consumption that we would like to release ASAP.
Please message me with the following:
1. Name/Email
2. Availability to test over the next few months
3. Experience with Android
4. Phone/Version/Rooted? etc.
Thanks!
Dmitry
I just used tango to video chat with my father. He has a new Evo and I have an Epic, it was great!!!
Wow! That was quick, already have 10 people signed up to test on the EVO.
I would like to find other phones to test with as well (especially Galaxy S), but if you feel very passionately that you can contribute to our beta testing, send me a PM and I'll try and add you to the list.
Thank you SO much!
is this better than skype
you have a PM sir
My wife and I have Evo's , both on Fresh rom. I could test if you want.
A couple questions....
Will Tango only video call/chat with other Tango users, or will it also be able to connect to Skype, Qik, Fring, etc..?
Will there also be a desktop version, for your computer? (This is mainly, if it will only connect to Tango users)
I ask, because I have a friend who has Skype on their computer. Skype blocks connection to Qik and Fring, and currently, iMovicha is only one way video (from what I understand).
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A couple questions....
Will Tango only video call/chat with other Tango users, or will it also be able to connect to Skype, Qik, Fring, etc..?
Will there also be a desktop version, for your computer? (This is mainly, if it will only connect to Tango users)
I ask, because I have a friend who has Skype on their computer. Skype blocks connection to Qik and Fring, and currently, iMovicha is only one way video (from what I understand).
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You're spot on about Skype blocking connection to Qik and Fring - for this reason we won't be integrating into their platform.
We're hoping to get a desktop client sometime in the near future, but are focusing on the mobile arena first.
Dmitry S @ Tango said:
You're spot on about Skype blocking connection to Qik and Fring - for this reason we won't be integrating into their platform.
We're hoping to get a desktop client sometime in the near future, but are focusing on the mobile arena first.
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Makes sense... Thanks for the fast reply. Will the app be able to connect to any other desktop clients?
Well I tried Epic to Evo, Epic to Iphone4 and Epic to Droid tonight, all worked flawlessly! Really freakin cool! Never seen a video chat thing be so simple!
I wish I had someone to video chat with. My sister has the iphone 3g, and no one I know has an Evo. I'm going to buy one for my GF for her birthday but that's all the way in March.
I'm down to help.
This APP needs to stop running in the background sucking down the EVO's juice. Many people ran and tested this APP last week and just about all of us unistalled it due to MAJOR battery drain and that APP not closing. Fix those things and this thing will be golden, much nicer than Qik and Fring.
Yeah this App needs some work, but looks promising. Was trying to get it to work all day, but a lot of the times I was getting, connection too slow or some other errors - and this was on WiFi. Anyways, tweak the bugs out and sure looks like a winner
I would be down to test it..
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markushi said:
I wish I had someone to video chat with. My sister has the iphone 3g, and no one I know has an Evo. I'm going to buy one for my GF for her birthday but that's all the way in March.
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I would buy her one early I'm sure she'd make it worth it!
just wondering how the progress of this is going...
Ok, this is probably HIGHLY unlikely, probably IMPOSSIBLE, but does anyone see a future for having BBM on an Android device? Lol, just wondering.
EDIT: I'm talking about the ACTUAL Blackberry Messenger NOT imitation applications.
i miss bbm as well ! i was told its not possible because bbm goes through bis, and our phones dont have a pin# ?
Correct. Completely impossible. Android has no way of connecting to a BIS.
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Oo, darn. I'm trying out my friends Blackberry and I'm starting to like BBM, but I don't think I'm going to keep it, I like my droid too much.
another reason it wont work is that it uses the blackberry's pin number...we obviously dont have those
Liveprofile is the way to go.
You can't talk to people with blackberry PIN's but you can talk to all android user's and maybe iphone users. Not sure but it does show D delivered and R recieved and also you can see when they're typing.
Yeah, but I'm from the Detroit area, and for some reason the Android scene hasn't come yet. Everyone is still using blackberry's. I feel like I'm the only Android but I still love my droid. I wish more people had Android where I'm from :/
You Droid is better than the Blackberries, don't let the clique coolness of BBM discourage you. Good old text messages aren't outdated just yet.
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You Droid is better than the Blackberries, don't let the clique coolness of BBM discourage you. Good old text messages aren't outdated just yet.
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Lol so true, we need to convert everyone to Android! For like a week I guess BBM was down and people started using GTalk, I felt cool for once!
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Yeah, but I'm from the Detroit area, and for some reason the Android scene hasn't come yet. Everyone is still using blackberry's. I feel like I'm the only Android but I still love my droid. I wish more people had Android where I'm from :/
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I'm from the Detroit area and I have a Droid 2. A few people at work have them too, plus I've converted a few to Androids, including an iPhone user. lol
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I'm from the Detroit area and I have a Droid 2. A few people at work have them too, plus I've converted a few to Androids, including an iPhone user. lol
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Yeah lol, I got a couple of my friends to convert, but other than that in like the West Bloomfield/Farmington Hills area, it's all blackberry phones :/
RIM Blackberry Services on NON-BB Devices SOLVED
Anything is possible guys, the people that bring us apps and OS's in question always limit what we can do with it in order to one day unlock the feature we want at a cost. BBM for many people is a very cheap way to communicate wordwide like skype and msn ect but without real-time voip or voip (video).. RIM has said they will bring the BBM or and or the whole OS to other devices. The biggest problem is that everyone wants stuff but never willing to pay for it. BB and the PIN from RIM withing BB only devices is a way to keep us on a BB device which means no matter what phone we have like i have an HD2 / WIN 6.5/ Android via SD, we still have to have a crappy or really expensive BB. I'm sure if people started to go into their pockets and donating to devs or even went into official BB forums and asked RIM representatives to initiate a premium service package for other devices to use another form of PIN thats software driven at extra cost than buying a BB or better yet, if u own a BB and are prepared to get a cheap BB device just so u got a pin and use it remotely to push BB info and BBM stuff like how the BB PLAYBOOK I believe will run BBM. At present, a bb pin is required so in order to be part of the RIM service you must have a Blackberry so in a DEV's way of thinking, we need to somehow create a bluetooth or GSM driven app that can transmit all BBM activity to a non-BB device..
http://www.bgr.com/2011/03/03/exclusive-blackberry-messenger-will-launch-on-android-and-ios/
Greetings from Germany!
I received my Aquaris Ubuntu phone yesterday, 19.03.2015. Needless to say I was excited but also wasn't expecting much since it's the new kid on the block.
I want to be clear that the cons that I point out only reflect my opinion and in no way should they be construed as an attack on Canonical or a diminishment on their attempts to break into the mobile space.
I've been a linux user since 2006 and an ubuntu user since version 8.04 and while I wasn't expecting much I still wanted to support Canonical's efforts by purchasing their first unit that they offered to us end users.
I was a power Android user for 4 years before I switched to the Nokia N9 for a year and then to the Blackberry Z30 for the past year. I'm partial to gesture based OSs hence why I use and enjoy BB10OS so I was stoked to learn that Ubuntu Touch is a gesture based OS.
First the pros:
1. Love the UI and the simplicity of it. Reading the Help app and swiping N,S,E,W pretty much gets you up and running.
2. Idea of Scopes and how they're implemented. When I first read about it I wasn't impressed...after seeing it in person I really like it.
3. There's just under a 1000 apps/scopes in the store and I've found quite a bit of good stuff already....travel, public transport, translate, online shopping, social, etc
Granted, alot of the "apps" open mobile versions of websites but I've also installed genuine, native apps. The mobile websites don't bother me but that is a subjective thing.
Now the cons:
1. Contacts and calendar sync is Google only...no option to set up a Carddav or Caldav servers.
2. No built in email client
In regards to #1, this is in my view a huge mistake. I made a conscious decision a year ago to completely move away from Google services. I use Memotoo for contacts and calendar. Why in god's name Canonical would make everything Google centric relegates the phone to a "neat toy". They're essentially dictating what services I have to have in order to use their product. Bewildering to say the least since this is linux. We're not talking about proprietary standards here either...Carddav and Caldav are free to use and implement. No work even needs to be done on their end as syncevolution is a finished and complete product.
Point #2, WTF are they thinking? Remember how much flak Blackberry took for not including a native client in the Playbook? Canonical should be hammered in the same way for releasing a mobile phone without email capabilities. The only options in the store are webapps for once again, Google, Yahoo and an email client, Dekko, that just offers the same thing as the webapps but is a genuine native app...however, no IMAP or POP capabilities. You can also forget about Exchange support. I think that is a pipe dream at this stage. In regards to Exchange support, I have no problem paying for this as I don't expect that to come for free.
While I wasn't expecting much and was already prepared to not have many things that I do with Blackberry I was left scratching my head with what was left out as these are very big things to leave out...these are open, non proprietary standards (Caldav, Carddav, IMAP, POP).
If you rely on google services then you'll enjoy the full experience of Ubuntu Touch and I highly recommend you take the plunge...if not, then you're left out in the cold for now. Hopefully in the next 6-12 months Canonical or the community will have these things ironed out.
For now my Ubuntu phone is going in the drawer and I'm going back to my Z30. I'm a service rep and I have to be able to call and email clients when I'm in the field and be able to email and communicate with the home office hence why I need contact sync, email and calendar support via my employer and Memotoo. Without these basic necessities the phone is useless for me.
Best Regards,
sb74
Well it is Linux, surely u can just install what you need.
personally I like using mutt for emails across all distros, but should be easy to install a arm pkg for another client you'd like or get involved with software developement?
Im not a massive fan of google but contact sync is ok since I'm coming from android.
For CardDav/Cal Dav I think somebody just needs to implement an OnlineAccounts provider for your service, the same as how the Google provider does it.
Dekko works fine with IMAP, though not POP (the core of Dekko is Trojita, which is IMAP only). It is not developed by Canonical and is currently in the middle of some pretty big changes, but ultimately it's the OEM who decides which apps to ship by default.
BTW, if you don't have it already, get the Forum Browser app to read and post here ?
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BQ aquaris ubuntu E5 and whatsapp
is there anyone who could tell me if i can get whatsapp going on my device. its running ubuntu 14.0
thanks to snowboarder74 for this informative review.
now, half a year later, i would be interested in getting a ubuntu phone.
what do you think? esp. as to the cons #1 and #2 pointed out in the original post?
Anyone know if these issues are still valid?
No native whatsapp client yet
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is there anyone who could tell me if i can get whatsapp going on my device. its running ubuntu 14.0
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Sorry, we're into OTA-13 now and we still don't have it. Also, I don't think we will have a client in the near future. Some have suggested Whatsapp web but that is not the best given the ease we have as using on other platforms.
As a suggestion, you can use Telegram, which is available on almost all mobile platforms under the sun. Of course, it is up to you :angel:
Hi all.. Just throwing out there my AT&T S7 edge is downloading an update at this very moment. 11:30 pm Friday night. Not sure what all it is but I'll post an update tomorrow! Hopefully they're fixing the wonky distortion on videos and fixing my problem of landscape vids not playing back in landscape! We shall see!
I just updated mine early this morning and frankly I can't tell what changed.
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From what I read in another post it was just a security patch.
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From what I read in another post it was just a security patch.
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That's what I have been reading too. Didn't fix any of the number of issues I am having, so it seems to have been the case.
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That's what I have been reading too. Didn't fix any of the number of issues I am having, so it seems to have been the case.
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What problems are you having?
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Tons of issues sending quality multimedia messages. I guess I'm just too used to how it worked in iOS. Sent whatever I wanted with minimal if any quality issues (only when it was an absolutely MASSIVE video). Everything on this phone gets so compressed it's not even worth sharing. Even just simple photos. Kind of a let down with the awesome camera. Slightly less important (now that I figured out a formula with package disabling and all) was how much work is involved in getting proper battery life. Having figured out that dance though it's not really a problem anymore. It's pretty silly that it was necessary at all but I can live with it.
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Tons of issues sending quality multimedia messages. I guess I'm just too used to how it worked in iOS. Sent whatever I wanted with minimal if any quality issues (only when it was an absolutely MASSIVE video). Everything on this phone gets so compressed it's not even worth sharing. Even just simple photos. Kind of a let down with the awesome camera. Slightly less important (now that I figured out a formula with package disabling and all) was how much work is involved in getting proper battery life. Having figured out that dance though it's not really a problem anymore. It's pretty silly that it was necessary at all but I can live with it.
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The MMS quality drop is probably my biggest complaint with Android. There is no "imessage" type messaging app that will not compress the images/videos and make them look borderline unwatchable on the receiver's end. I'm hoping the upcoming Google Allo messaging may be the answer, but as of now if I want my pics on vids to retain quality, I have to send them via FB messenger.
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The MMS quality drop is probably my biggest complaint with Android. There is no "imessage" type messaging app that will not compress the images/videos and make them look borderline unwatchable on the receiver's end. I'm hoping the upcoming Google Allo messaging may be the answer, but as of now if I want my pics on vids to retain quality, I have to send them via FB messenger.
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Mine too. The camera drew me to the phone. I used my sister's S7 Edge one day while playing with my niece at the park while my iPhone was charging. I immediately wanted to get one. Got one and love it... Except that all the things I do with this brilliant camera can't really be shared unless I convince my friends, family and coworkers to join Facebook, Whatsapp, Telegram, or ask them to visit a file hosting site. The camera made me want it but if I'd tried to send myself an MMS of the photos and videos I took that day the desire would have immediately passed. It's more than a bit silly. Photos are not too bad, they don't get compressed so bad that they are unviewable on another phone... But videos, frankly it's ****ing ridiculous. There's really no excuse at all for it. Maybe on cellular data but if on wifi, no excuse at all. I hope that Allo helps as well.
If not and if no solution comes around within a year or so this will have to be my first and last Android device. I can deal with the manufacturer and carriers having no clue how to optimize a device and making the end user have to do a massive dance to get through a day on a single charge. It's not like we have to set the phone up every single day so that's not such a big deal. Even the bloatware and duplicate apps are not so bad because you can force them to go away. But the MMS thing is really, really difficult to live with.
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Mine too. The camera drew me to the phone. I used my sister's S7 Edge one day while playing with my niece at the park while my iPhone was charging. I immediately wanted to get one. Got one and love it... Except that all the things I do with this brilliant camera can't really be shared unless I convince my friends, family and coworkers to join Facebook, Whatsapp, Telegram, or ask them to visit a file hosting site. The camera made me want it but if I'd tried to send myself an MMS of the photos and videos I took that day the desire would have immediately passed. It's more than a bit silly. Photos are not too bad, they don't get compressed so bad that they are unviewable on another phone... But videos, frankly it's ****ing ridiculous. There's really no excuse at all for it. Maybe on cellular data but if on wifi, no excuse at all. I hope that Allo helps as well.
If not and if no solution comes around within a year or so this will have to be my first and last Android device. I can deal with the manufacturer and carriers having no clue how to optimize a device and making the end user have to do a massive dance to get through a day on a single charge. It's not like we have to set the phone up every single day so that's not such a big deal. Even the bloatware and duplicate apps are not so bad because you can force them to go away. But the MMS thing is really, really difficult to live with.
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Yeah couldn't have said it better myself. Having owned and used every Android flagship since the first Galaxy S, all the HTC and Nexus and LG and Notes and everything in between, you would think it'd be an easy issue to resolve. I understand carrier bandwidth restrictions and all, but its this same issue that keeps me jumping back to an Apple device over and over. Sucks cause I'm in love with this camera.
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Yeah couldn't have said it better myself. Having owned and used every Android flagship since the first Galaxy S, all the HTC and Nexus and LG and Notes and everything in between, you would think it'd be an easy issue to resolve. I understand carrier bandwidth restrictions and all, but its this same issue that keeps me jumping back to an Apple device over and over. Sucks cause I'm in love with this camera.
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I understand that they have bandwidth restrictions too but it seems to be a problem that could have been resolved by now. I had no issues sending MMS messages with my iPhone, and haven't had since the very early versions. Even sending them to my friends or family who use Android, it was a pretty painless affair and the quality was fine (not as good between iOS and Android as it was iOS to iOS, but it was fine). If Apple can do it (still on AT&T) then why can't Samsung sort it out? Perhaps make it necessary with cellular data, but as far as wifi goes... It shouldn't be a problem. Could even present a warning on the recipient's end that the file will require wifi to download if need be. iOS can do it natively, third party apps for both iOS and Android can do it. While it's above my head, I can't imagine it's above theirs. Just seems lazy. Which is a shame really. This device is orders of magnitude more powerful than my 6s Plus. It's got a better camera, a beefier battery, better specs, a snappier operating system, feels better in hand, higher standard of manufacturing... It's a shame for something so basic to keep it under.
Interesting post though, I hadn't researched all the other manufacturers. I had no idea that this was a common issue across Android devices. I was thinking it was just Samsung.
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I understand that they have bandwidth restrictions too but it seems to be a problem that could have been resolved by now. I had no issues sending MMS messages with my iPhone, and haven't had since the very early versions. Even sending them to my friends or family who use Android, it was a pretty painless affair and the quality was fine (not as good between iOS and Android as it was iOS to iOS, but it was fine). If Apple can do it (still on AT&T) then why can't Samsung sort it out? Perhaps make it necessary with cellular data, but as far as wifi goes... It shouldn't be a problem. Could even present a warning on the recipient's end that the file will require wifi to download if need be. iOS can do it natively, third party apps for both iOS and Android can do it. While it's above my head, I can't imagine it's above theirs. Just seems lazy. Which is a shame really. This device is orders of magnitude more powerful than my 6s Plus. It's got a better camera, a beefier battery, better specs, a snappier operating system, feels better in hand, higher standard of manufacturing... It's a shame for something so basic to keep it under.
Interesting post though, I hadn't researched all the other manufacturers. I had no idea that this was a common issue across Android devices. I was thinking it was just Samsung.
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Yes. It's Android in general. Even Android to Android, unless you're both using something like whatsapp or something. I have to tell family and friends whenever I swap from iOS to Android again to send videos to my FB messenger so they won't be all distorted. And yes seems like a simple fix and its hard for me to believe there hasn't been more outcry about it and something done about it. I agree with everything you said above, as in, make them wait for WiFi to download the message if need be. That would even be acceptable
It could be just like the whole bloatware thing. Apple has the power to refuse bloat from the cell companies. Android phone manufacturers don't seem to have that power. I think the carriers are most likely at fault.
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MMS by-definition uses cellular data. If you need to prove this to yourself you can turn off all data connections (wifi and mobile data - 3g/4g/edge/lte) and try to send an SMS and an MMS. The SMS can go through still, the MMS can not.
But, the MMS protocols define a number of points where content may be transformed from the original.
The short version is that content goes from source handset to a server (MMMC), and from that server potentially hopped to other servers, until it finally goes from the delivery server to the target handset. To my light reading it's possible that the content is transformed at any/all of these stages. How to avoid needless quality reduction is a question of how to originally encode the content and how the servers are configured to react to specific messaging user agents.
I would not at all be surprised that Apple has gone to aggressive lengths to ensure that the various MMMC are configure to integrate nicely with Apple iOS MMS client. Similarly, I would hope that Google has the base messaging software similarly tuned, but would not be surprised that they haven't. I would be significantly impressed if ANY 3rd party Android MMS client had worked with the telcos to ensure strong media compatibility. That seems like a ton of work that just isn't going to happen outside of a large corporate structure. Telcos, at least US ones, don't seem to like to Play Nice in that way, for no profit. This is all personal speculation of course.
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It could be just like the whole bloatware thing. Apple has the power to refuse bloat from the cell companies. Android phone manufacturers don't seem to have that power. I think the carriers are most likely at fault.
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Good point, but also on bloatware, sadly the detrimental stuff is put on by Samsung themselves. That's another problem, but again since it's so easy to get rid of it's tolerable.
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MMS by-definition uses cellular data. If you need to prove this to yourself you can turn off all data connections (wifi and mobile data - 3g/4g/edge/lte) and try to send an SMS and an MMS. The SMS can go through still, the MMS can not.
But, the MMS protocols define a number of points where content may be transformed from the original.
The short version is that content goes from source handset to a server (MMMC), and from that server potentially hopped to other servers, until it finally goes from the delivery server to the target handset. To my light reading it's possible that the content is transformed at any/all of these stages. How to avoid needless quality reduction is a question of how to originally encode the content and how the servers are configured to react to specific messaging user agents.
I would not at all be surprised that Apple has gone to aggressive lengths to ensure that the various MMMC are configure to integrate nicely with Apple iOS MMS client. Similarly, I would hope that Google has the base messaging software similarly tuned, but would not be surprised that they haven't. I would be significantly impressed if ANY 3rd party Android MMS client had worked with the telcos to ensure strong media compatibility. That seems like a ton of work that just isn't going to happen outside of a large corporate structure. Telcos, at least US ones, don't seem to like to Play Nice in that way, for no profit. This is all personal speculation of course.
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Good information! Thanks for providing it. It was just a shock. Somehow when sending from iOS it just doesn't lose the quality like that. It'll still look brilliant even if played on a 1080 TV. I realize Apple (for some reason) has far more clout with companies and are in a position to demand whatever they like really for any reason or no reason at all... but I wish the same was true of Android devices/manufacturers/Google. I'll have to research it all because I'm very curious how it works. I mean granted you can still email stuff (unless it goes over 25MB apparently), you can still use third party apps or hosting services - it just seems a little unnecessary.
At the end of the day, it's a great phone and I love it. I'll get used to all that stuff I'm sure.
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MMS by-definition uses cellular data. If you need to prove this to yourself you can turn off all data connections (wifi and mobile data - 3g/4g/edge/lte) and try to send an SMS and an MMS. The SMS can go through still, the MMS can not.
But, the MMS protocols define a number of points where content may be transformed from the original.
The short version is that content goes from source handset to a server (MMMC), and from that server potentially hopped to other servers, until it finally goes from the delivery server to the target handset. To my light reading it's possible that the content is transformed at any/all of these stages. How to avoid needless quality reduction is a question of how to originally encode the content and how the servers are configured to react to specific messaging user agents.
I would not at all be surprised that Apple has gone to aggressive lengths to ensure that the various MMMC are configure to integrate nicely with Apple iOS MMS client. Similarly, I would hope that Google has the base messaging software similarly tuned, but would not be surprised that they haven't. I would be significantly impressed if ANY 3rd party Android MMS client had worked with the telcos to ensure strong media compatibility. That seems like a ton of work that just isn't going to happen outside of a large corporate structure. Telcos, at least US ones, don't seem to like to Play Nice in that way, for no profit. This is all personal speculation of course.
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iOS sends just as poor quality photos and videos as Android over MMS. The only reason sending photos and videos from iPhone to iPhone looks good is because it doesn't use MMS at all, but iMessage. To test this for yourself, disable iMessage on an iPhone and send a video. You'll barely be able to make it out. It will look just like videos sent over MMS from Android. The problem is not with Android, but with MMS itself. It's old technology and it doesn't matter which operating system you use, it's going to suck. There is an updated MMS standard that would allow for high quality photos and videos to be sent, but I don't think any carriers have implemented it yet. It's up to them.
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iOS sends just as poor quality photos and videos as Android over MMS. The only reason sending photos and videos from iPhone to iPhone looks good is because it doesn't use MMS at all, but iMessage.
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I held that theory privately, but since I don't use an iPhone any more I could not test/verify myself.
I seem to recall there are Android SMS apps which can route MMS content via a proprietary cloud service, but you would lose compatibility with any peer device not using the same service, for the same reason iMessage has its use constraints.
It's probably just easier to convince your friends to use WhatsApp or Hangouts though.
When my parents send me videos over MMS from iphones they are unwatchable.
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On a side note, when I want to send videos to people, I upload them to youtube and then send a link.
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iOS sends just as poor quality photos and videos as Android over MMS. The only reason sending photos and videos from iPhone to iPhone looks good is because it doesn't use MMS at all, but iMessage. To test this for yourself, disable iMessage on an iPhone and send a video. You'll barely be able to make it out. It will look just like videos sent over MMS from Android. The problem is not with Android, but with MMS itself. It's old technology and it doesn't matter which operating system you use, it's going to suck. There is an updated MMS standard that would allow for high quality photos and videos to be sent, but I don't think any carriers have implemented it yet. It's up to them.
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Strange. Disabling iMessage and sending still results in perfectly fine media here. From my 6s Plus to my S7 Edge. However sending the same video from my S7 to my iPhone results in an unwatchable video. I'll have to play with it, maybe try some larger videos later.
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My Places
Hate to break the iPhone-Android MMS conversation that's been going, but I noticed one change in the update (AT&T SM-G935A) that really set me off.
Has anyone else noticed that their "My Places" Edge Panel has been removed? I used it ALL the time, it was a super helpful way to shortcut to my favorite apps depending on where I am at the time. The option for "My Places" is NOWHERE to be found in the settings or the Edge Panel menu anymore after the update, I hope this is temporary. I agree, I bought this phone for the camera, as well as the Ingress Protection rating (IP-68) for water resistance and a few other reasons.
EDIT: Somehow the application was disabled after the update, all is well and working now.
My Places is still on mine, no problems, SM-G935A on APF2