Hi all.. Just throwing out there my AT&T S7 edge is downloading an update at this very moment. 11:30 pm Friday night. Not sure what all it is but I'll post an update tomorrow! Hopefully they're fixing the wonky distortion on videos and fixing my problem of landscape vids not playing back in landscape! We shall see!
I just updated mine early this morning and frankly I can't tell what changed.
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From what I read in another post it was just a security patch.
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From what I read in another post it was just a security patch.
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That's what I have been reading too. Didn't fix any of the number of issues I am having, so it seems to have been the case.
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That's what I have been reading too. Didn't fix any of the number of issues I am having, so it seems to have been the case.
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What problems are you having?
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Tons of issues sending quality multimedia messages. I guess I'm just too used to how it worked in iOS. Sent whatever I wanted with minimal if any quality issues (only when it was an absolutely MASSIVE video). Everything on this phone gets so compressed it's not even worth sharing. Even just simple photos. Kind of a let down with the awesome camera. Slightly less important (now that I figured out a formula with package disabling and all) was how much work is involved in getting proper battery life. Having figured out that dance though it's not really a problem anymore. It's pretty silly that it was necessary at all but I can live with it.
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Tons of issues sending quality multimedia messages. I guess I'm just too used to how it worked in iOS. Sent whatever I wanted with minimal if any quality issues (only when it was an absolutely MASSIVE video). Everything on this phone gets so compressed it's not even worth sharing. Even just simple photos. Kind of a let down with the awesome camera. Slightly less important (now that I figured out a formula with package disabling and all) was how much work is involved in getting proper battery life. Having figured out that dance though it's not really a problem anymore. It's pretty silly that it was necessary at all but I can live with it.
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The MMS quality drop is probably my biggest complaint with Android. There is no "imessage" type messaging app that will not compress the images/videos and make them look borderline unwatchable on the receiver's end. I'm hoping the upcoming Google Allo messaging may be the answer, but as of now if I want my pics on vids to retain quality, I have to send them via FB messenger.
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The MMS quality drop is probably my biggest complaint with Android. There is no "imessage" type messaging app that will not compress the images/videos and make them look borderline unwatchable on the receiver's end. I'm hoping the upcoming Google Allo messaging may be the answer, but as of now if I want my pics on vids to retain quality, I have to send them via FB messenger.
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Mine too. The camera drew me to the phone. I used my sister's S7 Edge one day while playing with my niece at the park while my iPhone was charging. I immediately wanted to get one. Got one and love it... Except that all the things I do with this brilliant camera can't really be shared unless I convince my friends, family and coworkers to join Facebook, Whatsapp, Telegram, or ask them to visit a file hosting site. The camera made me want it but if I'd tried to send myself an MMS of the photos and videos I took that day the desire would have immediately passed. It's more than a bit silly. Photos are not too bad, they don't get compressed so bad that they are unviewable on another phone... But videos, frankly it's ****ing ridiculous. There's really no excuse at all for it. Maybe on cellular data but if on wifi, no excuse at all. I hope that Allo helps as well.
If not and if no solution comes around within a year or so this will have to be my first and last Android device. I can deal with the manufacturer and carriers having no clue how to optimize a device and making the end user have to do a massive dance to get through a day on a single charge. It's not like we have to set the phone up every single day so that's not such a big deal. Even the bloatware and duplicate apps are not so bad because you can force them to go away. But the MMS thing is really, really difficult to live with.
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Mine too. The camera drew me to the phone. I used my sister's S7 Edge one day while playing with my niece at the park while my iPhone was charging. I immediately wanted to get one. Got one and love it... Except that all the things I do with this brilliant camera can't really be shared unless I convince my friends, family and coworkers to join Facebook, Whatsapp, Telegram, or ask them to visit a file hosting site. The camera made me want it but if I'd tried to send myself an MMS of the photos and videos I took that day the desire would have immediately passed. It's more than a bit silly. Photos are not too bad, they don't get compressed so bad that they are unviewable on another phone... But videos, frankly it's ****ing ridiculous. There's really no excuse at all for it. Maybe on cellular data but if on wifi, no excuse at all. I hope that Allo helps as well.
If not and if no solution comes around within a year or so this will have to be my first and last Android device. I can deal with the manufacturer and carriers having no clue how to optimize a device and making the end user have to do a massive dance to get through a day on a single charge. It's not like we have to set the phone up every single day so that's not such a big deal. Even the bloatware and duplicate apps are not so bad because you can force them to go away. But the MMS thing is really, really difficult to live with.
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Yeah couldn't have said it better myself. Having owned and used every Android flagship since the first Galaxy S, all the HTC and Nexus and LG and Notes and everything in between, you would think it'd be an easy issue to resolve. I understand carrier bandwidth restrictions and all, but its this same issue that keeps me jumping back to an Apple device over and over. Sucks cause I'm in love with this camera.
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Yeah couldn't have said it better myself. Having owned and used every Android flagship since the first Galaxy S, all the HTC and Nexus and LG and Notes and everything in between, you would think it'd be an easy issue to resolve. I understand carrier bandwidth restrictions and all, but its this same issue that keeps me jumping back to an Apple device over and over. Sucks cause I'm in love with this camera.
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I understand that they have bandwidth restrictions too but it seems to be a problem that could have been resolved by now. I had no issues sending MMS messages with my iPhone, and haven't had since the very early versions. Even sending them to my friends or family who use Android, it was a pretty painless affair and the quality was fine (not as good between iOS and Android as it was iOS to iOS, but it was fine). If Apple can do it (still on AT&T) then why can't Samsung sort it out? Perhaps make it necessary with cellular data, but as far as wifi goes... It shouldn't be a problem. Could even present a warning on the recipient's end that the file will require wifi to download if need be. iOS can do it natively, third party apps for both iOS and Android can do it. While it's above my head, I can't imagine it's above theirs. Just seems lazy. Which is a shame really. This device is orders of magnitude more powerful than my 6s Plus. It's got a better camera, a beefier battery, better specs, a snappier operating system, feels better in hand, higher standard of manufacturing... It's a shame for something so basic to keep it under.
Interesting post though, I hadn't researched all the other manufacturers. I had no idea that this was a common issue across Android devices. I was thinking it was just Samsung.
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I understand that they have bandwidth restrictions too but it seems to be a problem that could have been resolved by now. I had no issues sending MMS messages with my iPhone, and haven't had since the very early versions. Even sending them to my friends or family who use Android, it was a pretty painless affair and the quality was fine (not as good between iOS and Android as it was iOS to iOS, but it was fine). If Apple can do it (still on AT&T) then why can't Samsung sort it out? Perhaps make it necessary with cellular data, but as far as wifi goes... It shouldn't be a problem. Could even present a warning on the recipient's end that the file will require wifi to download if need be. iOS can do it natively, third party apps for both iOS and Android can do it. While it's above my head, I can't imagine it's above theirs. Just seems lazy. Which is a shame really. This device is orders of magnitude more powerful than my 6s Plus. It's got a better camera, a beefier battery, better specs, a snappier operating system, feels better in hand, higher standard of manufacturing... It's a shame for something so basic to keep it under.
Interesting post though, I hadn't researched all the other manufacturers. I had no idea that this was a common issue across Android devices. I was thinking it was just Samsung.
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Yes. It's Android in general. Even Android to Android, unless you're both using something like whatsapp or something. I have to tell family and friends whenever I swap from iOS to Android again to send videos to my FB messenger so they won't be all distorted. And yes seems like a simple fix and its hard for me to believe there hasn't been more outcry about it and something done about it. I agree with everything you said above, as in, make them wait for WiFi to download the message if need be. That would even be acceptable
It could be just like the whole bloatware thing. Apple has the power to refuse bloat from the cell companies. Android phone manufacturers don't seem to have that power. I think the carriers are most likely at fault.
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MMS by-definition uses cellular data. If you need to prove this to yourself you can turn off all data connections (wifi and mobile data - 3g/4g/edge/lte) and try to send an SMS and an MMS. The SMS can go through still, the MMS can not.
But, the MMS protocols define a number of points where content may be transformed from the original.
The short version is that content goes from source handset to a server (MMMC), and from that server potentially hopped to other servers, until it finally goes from the delivery server to the target handset. To my light reading it's possible that the content is transformed at any/all of these stages. How to avoid needless quality reduction is a question of how to originally encode the content and how the servers are configured to react to specific messaging user agents.
I would not at all be surprised that Apple has gone to aggressive lengths to ensure that the various MMMC are configure to integrate nicely with Apple iOS MMS client. Similarly, I would hope that Google has the base messaging software similarly tuned, but would not be surprised that they haven't. I would be significantly impressed if ANY 3rd party Android MMS client had worked with the telcos to ensure strong media compatibility. That seems like a ton of work that just isn't going to happen outside of a large corporate structure. Telcos, at least US ones, don't seem to like to Play Nice in that way, for no profit. This is all personal speculation of course.
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It could be just like the whole bloatware thing. Apple has the power to refuse bloat from the cell companies. Android phone manufacturers don't seem to have that power. I think the carriers are most likely at fault.
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Good point, but also on bloatware, sadly the detrimental stuff is put on by Samsung themselves. That's another problem, but again since it's so easy to get rid of it's tolerable.
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MMS by-definition uses cellular data. If you need to prove this to yourself you can turn off all data connections (wifi and mobile data - 3g/4g/edge/lte) and try to send an SMS and an MMS. The SMS can go through still, the MMS can not.
But, the MMS protocols define a number of points where content may be transformed from the original.
The short version is that content goes from source handset to a server (MMMC), and from that server potentially hopped to other servers, until it finally goes from the delivery server to the target handset. To my light reading it's possible that the content is transformed at any/all of these stages. How to avoid needless quality reduction is a question of how to originally encode the content and how the servers are configured to react to specific messaging user agents.
I would not at all be surprised that Apple has gone to aggressive lengths to ensure that the various MMMC are configure to integrate nicely with Apple iOS MMS client. Similarly, I would hope that Google has the base messaging software similarly tuned, but would not be surprised that they haven't. I would be significantly impressed if ANY 3rd party Android MMS client had worked with the telcos to ensure strong media compatibility. That seems like a ton of work that just isn't going to happen outside of a large corporate structure. Telcos, at least US ones, don't seem to like to Play Nice in that way, for no profit. This is all personal speculation of course.
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Good information! Thanks for providing it. It was just a shock. Somehow when sending from iOS it just doesn't lose the quality like that. It'll still look brilliant even if played on a 1080 TV. I realize Apple (for some reason) has far more clout with companies and are in a position to demand whatever they like really for any reason or no reason at all... but I wish the same was true of Android devices/manufacturers/Google. I'll have to research it all because I'm very curious how it works. I mean granted you can still email stuff (unless it goes over 25MB apparently), you can still use third party apps or hosting services - it just seems a little unnecessary.
At the end of the day, it's a great phone and I love it. I'll get used to all that stuff I'm sure.
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MMS by-definition uses cellular data. If you need to prove this to yourself you can turn off all data connections (wifi and mobile data - 3g/4g/edge/lte) and try to send an SMS and an MMS. The SMS can go through still, the MMS can not.
But, the MMS protocols define a number of points where content may be transformed from the original.
The short version is that content goes from source handset to a server (MMMC), and from that server potentially hopped to other servers, until it finally goes from the delivery server to the target handset. To my light reading it's possible that the content is transformed at any/all of these stages. How to avoid needless quality reduction is a question of how to originally encode the content and how the servers are configured to react to specific messaging user agents.
I would not at all be surprised that Apple has gone to aggressive lengths to ensure that the various MMMC are configure to integrate nicely with Apple iOS MMS client. Similarly, I would hope that Google has the base messaging software similarly tuned, but would not be surprised that they haven't. I would be significantly impressed if ANY 3rd party Android MMS client had worked with the telcos to ensure strong media compatibility. That seems like a ton of work that just isn't going to happen outside of a large corporate structure. Telcos, at least US ones, don't seem to like to Play Nice in that way, for no profit. This is all personal speculation of course.
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iOS sends just as poor quality photos and videos as Android over MMS. The only reason sending photos and videos from iPhone to iPhone looks good is because it doesn't use MMS at all, but iMessage. To test this for yourself, disable iMessage on an iPhone and send a video. You'll barely be able to make it out. It will look just like videos sent over MMS from Android. The problem is not with Android, but with MMS itself. It's old technology and it doesn't matter which operating system you use, it's going to suck. There is an updated MMS standard that would allow for high quality photos and videos to be sent, but I don't think any carriers have implemented it yet. It's up to them.
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iOS sends just as poor quality photos and videos as Android over MMS. The only reason sending photos and videos from iPhone to iPhone looks good is because it doesn't use MMS at all, but iMessage.
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I held that theory privately, but since I don't use an iPhone any more I could not test/verify myself.
I seem to recall there are Android SMS apps which can route MMS content via a proprietary cloud service, but you would lose compatibility with any peer device not using the same service, for the same reason iMessage has its use constraints.
It's probably just easier to convince your friends to use WhatsApp or Hangouts though.
When my parents send me videos over MMS from iphones they are unwatchable.
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On a side note, when I want to send videos to people, I upload them to youtube and then send a link.
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iOS sends just as poor quality photos and videos as Android over MMS. The only reason sending photos and videos from iPhone to iPhone looks good is because it doesn't use MMS at all, but iMessage. To test this for yourself, disable iMessage on an iPhone and send a video. You'll barely be able to make it out. It will look just like videos sent over MMS from Android. The problem is not with Android, but with MMS itself. It's old technology and it doesn't matter which operating system you use, it's going to suck. There is an updated MMS standard that would allow for high quality photos and videos to be sent, but I don't think any carriers have implemented it yet. It's up to them.
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Strange. Disabling iMessage and sending still results in perfectly fine media here. From my 6s Plus to my S7 Edge. However sending the same video from my S7 to my iPhone results in an unwatchable video. I'll have to play with it, maybe try some larger videos later.
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My Places
Hate to break the iPhone-Android MMS conversation that's been going, but I noticed one change in the update (AT&T SM-G935A) that really set me off.
Has anyone else noticed that their "My Places" Edge Panel has been removed? I used it ALL the time, it was a super helpful way to shortcut to my favorite apps depending on where I am at the time. The option for "My Places" is NOWHERE to be found in the settings or the Edge Panel menu anymore after the update, I hope this is temporary. I agree, I bought this phone for the camera, as well as the Ingress Protection rating (IP-68) for water resistance and a few other reasons.
EDIT: Somehow the application was disabled after the update, all is well and working now.
My Places is still on mine, no problems, SM-G935A on APF2
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OK I am definitely not disappointed with the Hardware itself. Great form factor and I converted a few of the office Apple fanatics to it... Some guys in my office actually bought the tab after seeing mine
It's my first Android device and... I am disappointed by Android (Flames coming closer) or more precisely by the lack of refinement of the "productivity" apps.
Let me be more precise: I come from the WM 6.5.5 world (boooh). Android OS is definitely more stable (No memory leaks, etc...) more finger friendly, etc... BUT also
* It has way less options, at least in its stock version vs my custom made WM ROM (Sure my Grandma could use it (This is iOSesque type of OS), but that's not exactly what I am expecting for myself)
* The email app, so much praised in many reviews is still way behind outlook for WM. I miss the little arrow sign indicating me whether the email was forwarded, replied, etc... Not even talking about all the options available in pOutlook that definitely simplify the everyday life. A lot of very simple things are just not there. If you have multiple attachments, you need to download them one by one (Have to wait for the first one to be downloaded to have the option to download the second one). Unbeded links and pictures are displayed immediately when in Outlook they are blocked first to protect you in case it's a fishing email. Etc, etc...
* You don't have a single box (Or let's say single app) for SMS, MMS, eMails
* Implementation of Activesync is not good, neither full. SMS are not synced, and there seems to be bugs and quirks here and there (Why the hell is my Sent box often TWO DAYS late on sync ?? Just havent found a way to fix this. It just refreshes... sometimes, when it feels like it)
* Copy and paste is not present everywhere, I cant seem to be able to copy from any text I see on the screen (In WM just long press and then you get the copy and paste menu and the ability to select some text). It's possible in some places that have been thought for, but not from anywhere
Etc, etc... I definitely appreciate the slickness of the OS, the smoothness overall (That said I believe my TP2 would also be super smooth with a Hummingbird processor on board...). The fact that it's a growing platform allows to have access to the latest apps while there was barely anything new for my TP2 these days. But yeah, honestly... a lot of the applications need more refinement. I guess this will grow with age (hopefully) but it's definitely not there yet at least out of the box
I am not saying this for the sole purpose of criticizing. I will keep my Tab and I do like it. But I thought the jump would be without regret and it's not the case for the moment. I feel more like I did a compromise and a move taht had to be (No interest in a closed platform like WP7 and can't stay on a dieing one). And hopefully some of you while reading me will point me to some solutions they found for themselves, some suggestions of third party applications. meanwhile I still go back and forth between my tab and my TP2 and I find it easier to email with the TP2 (OK the physical keyboard helps too) while also cant take my eyes off HTC Sense (This I know it's just up to me to make some effort and install the right stuff to have great home screens)
You have some valid points (copy & paste, sms+emails in one place) but the other features are so obvious.
You can't compare the native apps on Win (Outlook, Active Sync) that suppose to work well on Android. I wouldn't think this is a surprise.
Android definitely has a little bit of a learning curve. My EVO was my first android OS device and after learning the little quirks I am a borderline fanboy.
I am not sure I agree with the comparison to iOS. I think Apple does a lot more "dumbing down" where Android gives you more freedom but you have to learn how to use it. Apparently it's working well for Apple. Can't fault their success.
Are you missing copy/paste in a certain app? I used it just last night (just got my tab yesterday) copying my Launcher Pro plus key from an email to LP. Menu>More>Select Text>Copy, I think. Long press where you would like to paste.
Anyway, give it time. I think it'll grow on ya.
Yes you're right I was a bit unfair to compare with iOS
And yes it's true it's evolving the right way
Copy and paste: simple example. How do I copy amd pate text from a webpage?
I believe you have to press the menu button, go to 'more' and then hit 'select text'. After that gliding your finger over text will select it. Its still not refined because it doesnt add the two 'pins' to move your selection area...that is in Gingerbread I think.
More gives me only print, share page and page info...
Unfortunately...
Founds new bugs that are very unprofessional: some sms going to the wrong inbox
And some emails answers sent... Without the text I typed (empty)
And of course since I dont have the aent emails for the past 2 days I juat cant event check this
I understand it's normal to expect Microsoft technology to be better implemented by Microsoft. However if Google wants to be serious with Android in the enterprise world they need to work on their exchange implementation
honeatly this email problem is just incredible...
Forgot to add that even though there are lots of free apps, some of the very useful ones are not included by default. If you wnat a good RDP client --> $20 for instance (Free with WM) All adding up it makes Android a "luxuary" OS in some cases...
That said not to be unfair the market of free apps is quite impressive (compared with WM)
I think Android is great. The new Android 3D maps are amazing both on my Nexus One and Galaxy Tab.
That said, my single complaint so far is the lag in the native browser and with Dolphin HD. I can't say I blame this on Android OS because my N1 does not have this problem. I'm a noob so I blame this on Samsung.
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Founds new bugs that are very unprofessional: some sms going to the wrong inbox
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Got that 3 days ago, an incoming sms displaying the wrong contact!... So I found that after answering to that same wrong contact, who warned me I probably have mistaken. I wonder how this can be possible... Samsung app?
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Forgot to add that even though there are lots of free apps, some of the very useful ones are not included by default. If you wnat a good RDP client --> $20 for instance (Free with WM) All adding up it makes Android a "luxuary" OS in some cases...
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Except that unlike Android, WM is not free in and of itself anyway, so the comparison is slightly flawed - only slightly though because as an end user you do not pay directly for WM, the OEM does!
Personally, I've found Wyse PocketCloud to be excellent, even in its free incarnation - it was so good, I bought the Pro version!
Of course, no OS is perfect - despite WM6s age, it still has some strengths. In many ways, it's a shame that MS threw the baby out with the bathwater with WP7!
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More gives me only print, share page and page info...
Unfortunately...
Founds new bugs that are very unprofessional: some sms going to the wrong inbox
And some emails answers sent... Without the text I typed (empty)
And of course since I dont have the aent emails for the past 2 days I juat cant event check this
I understand it's normal to expect Microsoft technology to be better implemented by Microsoft. However if Google wants to be serious with Android in the enterprise world they need to work on their exchange implementation
honeatly this email problem is just incredible...
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Android gets a lot of blame for things that have been modified by the vendor. I've been on Android since the launch of the G1. One thing I can tell you is every device is different. HTC has their own Exchange client, same with Samsung. Many times I see their proprietary apps cause these problems. It's the price we pay for open.
The Galaxy Tab's ROM is pretty flawed. Typical for a first gen device. I'm counting the days till an update is released.
My suggestion is go with an Exchange client from the market. Touchdown (no longer called that) was generally considered the best or just hang on till the next update. For SMS I use Handcent which I love.
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Forgot to add that even though there are lots of free apps, some of the very useful ones are not included by default. If you wnat a good RDP client --> $20 for instance (Free with WM) All adding up it makes Android a "luxuary" OS in some cases...
That said not to be unfair the market of free apps is quite impressive (compared with WM)
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All enterprise apps demand big bucks. In Wimo's case that's a MS app hence free. But all the other enterprise stuff is $$$ for any platform. I agree with the other poster, PocketCloud is very good. I also have an Ipad and can tell you their apps are totally "luxuary" priced.
Give the platform more time. You're new and things are different so you're just going to see the negatives. Over time I would be shocked if you could even look at a wimo device...much less use it on a daily basis.
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Got that 3 days ago, an incoming sms displaying the wrong contact!... So I found that after answering to that same wrong contact, who warned me I probably have mistaken. I wonder how this can be possible... Samsung app?
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Wait what ? That happened to me couple of days ago.
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Got that 3 days ago, an incoming sms displaying the wrong contact!... So I found that after answering to that same wrong contact, who warned me I probably have mistaken. I wonder how this can be possible... Samsung app?
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Yeah I think we can blame Samsung about this. It's a real shamr cause I answered in a similar fashion to the wrong girl... Got in little trouble... But in the end kind of funny
Anyway shame on Sammy on this one. Very unprofessional...
Been reading the previous posts. My point was not to be critical of the OS itself. I do believe it's a much better OS than WM. It was much more about the applications that are still rough on the edges and not as mature as for other platforms
another example: in the samsung messaging application you cannot click on an HTML link to go straight to the webpage. Which year are we? 2005?
I too am very happy with my TP2, but I want a 7" phone. Although the Tab is the most close, it is still not there: many web contents are still available to WM and iPad only, the CDMA versions cannot make calls and are too pricey for the sluggish built-in browser.
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I too am very happy with my TP2, but I want a 7" phone. Although the Tab is the most close, it is still not there: many web contents are still available to WM and iPad only, the CDMA versions cannot make calls and are too pricey for the sluggish built-in browser.
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I have both now
Just need to find a good way to sync SMS between both...
Sad point is in the US you cannot have 2 SIMs with the same number. Otherwise would be living ina perfect world
Just found out it may not be possible to change my outlook calendar entries inthe Samsung calendar
i can delete but not move it to another dats
Maybe I am not doing it right... But we are getting close to a deal breaker
Honestly Android is a cool toy but feels so far from a professional well rounded product and only comparing with WM 6.5...
more and more diaappointed day by day..
This is why android is so great though...you said you had no complaints about the hardware being used, and I hear that a lot.
There are so many developers working on android devices including the tab trying to improve the UI and enable hardware acceleration etc.
I think that within a few months the tab will have roms that will fix or work around the various issues that are present in the current tab software.
Agreed android has a great future ahead
but there is quote some work to do. We are not there yet!!
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Agreed android has a great future ahead
but there is quote some work to do. We are not there yet!!
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I think the point is that Android scores lots of points where WinMo scores none, and vice versa!
My business uses Google Apps for Domains, so Android is a massive win for me. If your an MS shop, WinMo stills holds a great hand though 3rd party apps on Android can fill many of the gaps.
Over time we will see an awful lot of convergence - WP7 will get better and so will Android.
To be honest, for the most part, thus far Google have pitched Android as a consumer rather than business OS, and have relied on 3rd parties to provide full business integration. I expect 2011 will bring more to the biz table.
Regards,
Dave
Has anyone experienced any trouble getting mms from iphone users to us android users on tmob? It doesn't appear to be my vibrant on froyo only. My iphone friends are having some issues sending to other friends on tmobile on nexus one and g2. Strictly mms from then doesn't every seem to reach us.
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I know in the past that when I've received picture messages from iPhone users that the message has shown up on my Android phone as a "movie", as mentioned here:
ugh. as a new user, i can't post outside links. pewps. suffice to say, i found it on androidforums dot com slash droid-support-troubleshooting slash 47564-texting-mms-messages-pictures-displaying-movies.html
I would need to do more research, but if I were to make a wild guess (and this really is a wild guess) I'd surmise that Apple has done something to their MMS app that works beautifully between iPhones, but mucks about with any other smart phone OS. (Android, Blackberry, etc.)
I've had the movie mms issue when I've sent mms to other android users and vice versa. Sorry I don't have any friends that use the iphone, so I can't comment on that issue.
When i receive messages from ppl on iphones or ipods it is usually segmented or broken up, kind of strange. I just blame the apple products
Fyi i am on Bionix V
80% of picture MMS I get are movies when they arrive.
This happens when it's coming from any phone.
Blackberries and Feature phones included, as well as other Android phones (even other Vibrants).
Something is wrong with the MMS client or something in these phones.
This never happened on my Jack, Aria, or HD2.
How about the other way around? Sending mms from vibrant to iphone? I tried it on mine and the iphone got an error message about size limit, I'm not sure but it doesn't work. Any workaround on this?
Yes. Very unpredictable. Sometimes I get them right away, sometimes I get them days/weeks later, sometimes not at all.
Oddly I am getting them as movies in the past. But only if they are in a series of PHOTOS. I never realized it was actually in movie mode. I thought that was just the vibrant way of seeing mms images. Interestingly enough I think it has to do with both platforms. Mms is not universally standard like email, right?
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I agree...been getting pictures in movies format for a long time. Its on and off. Sometimes you have to wait till the middle of the video to see the picture.
Why are people complaining that their Motorola Xoom isn't a phone? I get a real laugh out of the "I'm so pissed because I can't call someone from this device" threads. Texting is another laughable point? Really you aren't carrying a phone around with you at the same time as your Xoom that you can't pull it out for 3 seconds and fire off that txt? One guy wants to know why he can't use his Xoom as a GPS while he's FLYING.
Here is a short list of features that I *love* about the Xoom so far:
- Holy **** the screen is sexy. Playing around with some of these apps on a 10" widescreen is awesome.
- Battery Life - I am charing the thing overnight, picking it up in the morning at 100% and then typically ending the day at 70+% remaining. This is fantastic to me.
- Portability and ease of access - Using my acer netbook was a pain in the ass because I had to wait for windows to load, the desktop to show up... the workspace to be ready. This is instant on and ready.
- RDP works well - I can get into my books from anywhere, generate invoices and e-mail them to a customer right there on the spot. It's impressive and when you're a technology company it just looks good.
- Email support - The exchange support is awesome. The stock mail client could be a little stronger but I am very happy that it supports HTML as the android 2.2 / 2.3 mail client on my Nexus One does not/did not.
- Available storage space - Not having the SD slot isn't bothering me one bit. I would go as far as saying I may not ever even need it. Shipping the product with 32GB of internal storage was the way to go.
- App support - Out of the box, like 90% of my apps worked fine (granted I only use heavily maybe 5 out of the 40 that i have installed). The one or two apps that were missing at launch I've already gotten word from the developers that tablet ready versions or updates are on the way.
- Connectivity - Being a first time Verizon subscriber I am very impressed with the radio and/or 3G network behind it. When my AT&T phone has a **** signal or no signal at all, this Xoom tablet still picks up signal. That's cool to me and is a point that I would like to make separately about the need for the 3G version. Sure, I can tether through my AT&T phone but then I've got two points of failure to worry about.
My thoughts and comments regarding media consumption on this device:
- Music - I haven't had any issues at all. I use Windows Media Player 12 as a part of Windows 7 to manage my music library and it works wonderfully with the Xoom. I sync music to it just like any other generic MP3/music player. I susbcribe to the Zune Pass so actually obtaining music for me is a function I do on my PC, and then just transfer the music as I want or need it. To say that I must be able to download or purchase XYZ song on the road isn't necessary... isn't that what Pandora is for? Use Pandora to listen to what you want until you are in a position to purchase music, then do that. That's how I approach it.
- Videos/Movies - I'm not really a big "watch videos/movies on your portable" guy to begin with. That said, I do like to use youtube to show off certain things like video game trailers or movie trailers or something... but you tube isn't the issue on the Xoom and I don't think ever has been or ever will be. Some people have complained that the Xoom doesn't play the same H.264 videos that they can play on their Droid. To them I say that I'm sorry but your droid isn't running a Tegra 2 chipset. I do agree that the Tegra 2 should be able to handle a lot but I didn't design it.. shrug, what do I know. Seemingly however... the thing plays H.264 just fine if its encoded properly and it looks damn good. I ripped Kill Bill Volume 1 to H.264 with a 2k bitrate and it looked fantastic on the Xoom screen. I will admit that I'm not the best guy to take advice from in this area.
My thoughts / comments on whiners:
- Flash / SD Card Support - I really don't have anything to say about this. Flash 10.2 will be out soon enough and as far as the SD card is concerned I don't even need it. I only have a 4GB Class 6 micro SD card what's that going to do for me? It's laughable in size compared to whats in the unit.. I would only want to put a matching 32GB sd card in and that's gonna be another $100 minimum. Now your $799 device is an $899 device... where's the complaint for that?
- Can't make phone calls / TXT - Jesus christ, go buy a phone.
Nice review, particularly liked, "- Can't make phone calls / TXT - Jesus christ, go buy a phone."
Couldn't agree more!
Just ordered myself a Xoom and you've made me feel even better about my purchase. I'm a little worried about the video codecs thing but I'm sure Rockplayer or some such will sort that out. Thanks for a great review.
Thanks for the comments. If anyone has particular questions about the device or advice on how to best use the device for their situation fire away.
agreed up to one point
i agree man, def however
google voice must be used on this. not because of texting as a cellphone but because it does much more and can be so amazingly baked with all other google products.
that my friend, is inarguable.
please help that at least here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=978779
You'll have to expand on your thought process for me. What do you want to use google voice for? Will it help you avoid scratching your Xoom up so you don't have to return a second one?
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You'll have to expand on your thought process for me. What do you want to use google voice for? Will it help you avoid scratching your Xoom up so you don't have to return a second one?
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Google Voice gives you a platform independent texting and voicemail interface. It does help to have it handy.
Why shouldn't your android tablet and phone be linked in some way so that you could receive notifications on either device and respond to them exactly like how webos works? Who could act like this is a ridiculous request??
Also, don't get your hopes up with regards to media playback. Tegra 2 is awful in that regard and has been proven on here in a different thread to be incapable of 720p high profile, which all galaxy s phones can do flawlessly.
Also, asking got certain features or if something is possible is not complaining.
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my second one is much more protected now thanks for the sad comment.
anyways, i am baffled at how one wouldnt want this, clearly people havent FOUND the use of it, to which i understand.
the customizations on notifications; be it text or voicemail is amazing and so useful, having this on your tablet WILL be a big plus trust me.
controlling voice mail set ups for particular people, having transcribed vm being able to foward that/ download that, controll recorded phone conversations, archiving, starring emails/texts
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- Can't make phone calls / TXT - Jesus christ, go buy a phone.
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Couldnt you use an app to hand those stuff over your 3g/4g services?
I don't necessarily expect the tablet to act as an independent texting device, but I would prefer to not have to pull my phone out of my pocket while I've got my Xoom in my hands already. I know I'll almost 99% of the time have my phone and tablet on me at the same time, but its more of a convenience thing.
The way that WebOS pulls your notifications to your tablet via bluetooth from your phone is perfect. I'm already tethering my Xoom for internet off my phone, why not just have text messages pop over too?
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I don't necessarily expect the tablet to act as an independent texting device, but I would prefer to not have to pull my phone out of my pocket while I've got my Xoom in my hands already. I know I'll almost 99% of the time have my phone and tablet on me at the same time, but its more of a convenience thing.
The way that WebOS pulls your notifications to your tablet via bluetooth from your phone is perfect. I'm already tethering my Xoom for internet off my phone, why not just have text messages pop over too?
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The way Palm... or well, HP, made the WebOS phones and WebOS tablets work together is very impressive. Implementing that text idea would be perfect.
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The way Palm... or well, HP, made the WebOS phones and WebOS tablets work together is very impressive. Implementing that text idea would be perfect.
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I agree. And its something that iOS and Android aren't even close to implementing. I see no reason why Google couldn't figure this out. I'm assuming that it will come later, probably with 2.4 for phones which will apparently implement what Google learned about 3.0 back into phones.
Automatically archiving your incoming text messages to an email address linked to your Xoom would at least be a step in the right direction. Granted it's only 50% of the issue, but it's better than nothing. At least you know whether or not to check your phone with a glance at your inbox notification.
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Automatically archiving your incoming text messages to an email address linked to your Xoom would at least be a step in the right direction. Granted it's only 50% of the issue, but it's better than nothing. At least you know whether or not to check your phone with a glance at your inbox notification.
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I use SMS Backup for this very reason and just put gmail label shortcuts on my tablet. If my phone is upstairs or in my bag, I can just check the email to see if I got any texts.
But it would be cool if I could automatically notify on my tablet.
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Why are people complaining that their Motorola Xoom isn't a phone? I get a real laugh out of the "I'm so pissed because I can't call someone from this device" threads. Texting is another laughable point? Really you aren't carrying a phone around with you at the same time as your Xoom that you can't pull it out for 3 seconds and fire off that txt? One guy wants to know why he can't use his Xoom as a GPS while he's FLYING.
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I am so sick and tired of this pompous ass attitude. Maybe I keep my Xoom with me everywhere, maybe I use a bluetooth and never "pull out" my phone... MAYBE I dont want to pay to keep several devices active that do the exact same ****. What myself and many others have been after does not degrade the tablet devices that are out one bit, and in fact has been simply DISABLED on some devices.
Long story short, I do not appreciate you calling my desires for this device laughable, especially considering there are quite a few people with the same wants/needs.
/rant off
Morkai Almandragon said:
I am so sick and tired of this pompous ass attitude. Maybe I keep my Xoom with me everywhere, maybe I use a bluetooth and never "pull out" my phone... MAYBE I dont want to pay to keep several devices active that do the exact same ****. What myself and many others have been after does not degrade the tablet devices that are out one bit, and in fact has been simply DISABLED on some devices.
Long story short, I do not appreciate you calling my desires for this device laughable, especially considering there are quite a few people with the same wants/needs.
/rant off
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I agree. People that make an argument like this are no better than apple in telling them what limits their device has.
And the guy wasn't complaining about airplane GPS, he was just wondering about it. There's a lot of people that do recreational flying and only do daylight clear weather trips. A GPS is great to tell you where you are, its not like they'd be using it to get from point A to point B or landing on a runway in fog or flying a commercial airliner.
Just because someone wants something better (for them) doesn't mean its a complaint, its merely a wish. Ideas and hopes make these devices better and inspire devs to create things we all love.
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It seems to me that the KINm phones (or atleast the TWOm) are the only product in a specific niche of the cell phone / smartphone market, namely they offer WiFi browsing w/o an expensive data plan.
I would suspect that there is a pretty big group of users who would want exactly that. But, they probably don't know the option exists, especially if Verizon doesn't really advertise this phone. (They don't even have it in Verizon stores that I have been to, only online, listed under feature phones). Of course, it's not really in Verizon's best interest to promote this, considering they _want_ you to pay for a data plan.
So, this leaves me feeling very uncertain whether this "relaunch" of the KIN phones will ever catch on?
Also, is anyone else on the board interested in this phone still? I thought Kin threads were fairly active, but maybe it's just me?
Jon
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It seems to me that the KINm phones (or atleast the TWOm) are the only product in a specific niche of the cell phone / smartphone market, namely they offer WiFi browsing w/o an expensive data plan.
I would suspect that there is a pretty big group of users who would want exactly that. But, they probably don't know the option exists, especially if Verizon doesn't really advertise this phone. (They don't even have it in Verizon stores that I have been to, only online, listed under feature phones). Of course, it's not really in Verizon's best interest to promote this, considering they _want_ you to pay for a data plan.
So, this leaves me feeling very uncertain whether this "relaunch" of the KIN phones will ever catch on?
Also, is anyone else on the board interested in this phone still? I thought Kin threads were fairly active, but maybe it's just me?
Jon
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I agree that if Verizon would advertise this phone it would possibly catch on. As for the Kin in Verizon stores, that's actually where I got mine and I've seen Verizon's reps trying to persuade people into getting the phone.
The phone seems to be getting pretty good reviews and response from buyers, but like you said Verizon is doing a poor job of promoting it.
And there are a handful of us both here and on Microsoft's forum site that have been trying many different approaches, but unforturnately none of us are experts in routing phones. A few us have bricked phones now, and we still haven't made to much progress, but still hoping someone can make progress.
This link rates the twom as the best messaging phone.
Kin TwoM= Win!
I am switching to the kin twom from a HTC Thunderbolt. I have a xoom as well, so I really don't need to keep paying for data on my handset. I have had several android phones, and for that matter several winmo phones in the past. I am excited about this because this really is a great phone for a "feature phone". No data, but having wifi is really sweet. I want to hack it and port android to it, which may not be possible, but either way, I think this really is a win, especially if you have a tablet.
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I am excited about this because this really is a great phone for a "feature phone". No data, but having wifi is really sweet. I want to hack it and port android to it, which may not be possible, but either way, I think this really is a win, especially if you have a tablet.
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that depends on the point of view. For me, even if i'm pretty naughty with it, it isn't a great phone, caused in most part by the software..
- Software lags a lot (should not for the "few" resources that we use).
More if you take in account that we are using a tegra device with a 0'6Ghz CPU. My crappy PDA with 203mhz can play Age of empires mobile without lagging, and this phone can't just run the menu smoothly (sometimes). I smell bad optimization...
- The browser support for rtsp is kinda lame (no flash support and just redirection to mobile sites to a streaming protocol). Browser in general is pure **add your favourite badword here**.
- The wifi detection is barely ok, but several times it can't find the ESSID even if it's near it (@ my home wifi router) and you have to turn on, turn off the wifi till it awakes.
- Suffers from random reboots (if some software freezes). Happens to me sometimes, even with the phone playing the "i'm like a brick" game alone over my desk.
- It's battery is fastly drained by the OS, cause you cant close apps, and they are surely running in the background, like other windows ce OS's. If you open your browser after rebooting, it's there forever. If i could add only 1 app to a kin in the wooorld, i would add a battery/app ultraconfigurator to reduce so.
- Sometimes it can't even load some apps and shows a "loading..." window till it's... well loaded.
.....
On the other hand, the screen is pretty well done, imo. It detected my touchs almost perfect, whenever i tried.
At least, they solved the old bug that the original kin two had, where you set a wifi and can't reenter wifi settings cause the os hanged doing so (one or several reboots needed).
It would be so cool if it was sold unlocked & without contract for 100$. Then use dataplan with the company you want, and with installable apps.
On the iPhone, if you record a video of any length in any format, including 1080p, you can still send it as an MMS. Granted, it will look grainy and choppy, but it will automatically compress.
The Optimus G will do this as well, with one extra step (agree to edit, then just click save and it will compress and send). This makes the Optimus G the first Android phone with this functionality.
Is there an app that will do this on the Nexus 4? I'm aware of the option to record in MMS quality and I have looked at several video trimming apps. What I'm looking for is an app that actually automatically compresses a recorded video down to the maximum allowed MMS size (~600kb) and lets me send it.
There has to be a way. LG figured it out. I can't believe there's no app out there that does this.
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On the iPhone, if you record a video of any length in any format, including 1080p, you can still send it as an MMS. Granted, it will look grainy and choppy, but it will automatically compress.
The Optimus G will do this as well, with one extra step (agree to edit, then just click save and it will compress and send). This makes the Optimus G the first Android phone with this functionality.
Is there an app that will do this on the Nexus 4? I'm aware of the option to record in MMS quality and I have looked at several video trimming apps. What I'm looking for is an app that actually automatically compresses a recorded video down to the maximum allowed MMS size (~600kb) and lets me send it.
There has to be a way. LG figured it out. I can't believe there's no app out there that does this.
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Unfortunately I'm not here with an answer, just chiming in.
It is baffling that this functionality still isn't present in stock Android.
iPhone users have had this capability for years now. It's somewhat embarrassing, and a major PITA for Android users to have to embark on a multi-step process simply to mms a short video clip to a friend.
Android users usually respond with the following suggestions (many stating that it's 'no big deal' but they're lying to themselves)
- Upload the clip to youtube and share the link
----Too many steps, and I don't want to put every single video clip up on Youtube.
- Use a video editing app to crop/downscale the video
---- Again, to many steps, multiple apps
- Take the video from WITHIN the mms app (which automatically uses a lower video quality that will keep file size down)
---- Unacceptable. I prefer to take all of my videos in HD, and won't sacrifice quality simply to be able to send it straight to someone via MMS
I think a lot of Android users are making a major concession here. The entire text/mms experience on Android is a mess. Group texting with other device users is a nightmare. Conversations splinter off into one-on-one conversations for Android users, requiring third party texting apps to enable group text capabilities. This is one area where I'll openly admit that iOS has Android stomped, and to come to Android's defense on this issue will only result in us having a crappy experience for even longer. /Rant
Sorry, it's late, and I'm a little punchy.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=roman10.media.converter
Forgive me, but this core and important function is something I've never before thought of needing. One play search seemed to sort it. While we're on the subject, I recently had to use an iPad for recording interviews, and upload them via drop box. The auto 1080p format then took nearly forever to upload. It took a paid app to lower the resolution and a variety of rather frustrating steps to upload to db. I can't believe apple have survived with all this unacceptability! (Yeah, most of these rants are quite pointless)
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=roman10.media.converter
Forgive me, but this core and important function is something I've never before thought of needing. One play search seemed to sort it. While we're on the subject, I recently had to use an iPad for recording interviews, and upload them via drop box. The auto 1080p format then took nearly forever to upload. It took a paid app to lower the resolution and a variety of rather frustrating steps to upload to db. I can't believe apple have survived with all this unacceptability! (Yeah, most of these rants are quite pointless)
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A media converter is not a solution for this issue.
We are talkjng about seamless and timely communication, not just the capability to edit video (quality).
Yoir response makes me wonder if you've ever communicated with anybody via text/mms.
Time is of the essence. To be able to shoot a 30 second video, pop it straight in to an mms exchange and hit send is a a major convenience, and one that should be ubiquitous in the mobile arena by now.
Your dropbox scenario is not even in the same vein as this issue. This an issue of major inconvenience in the way that many people communicate regularly.
For some perspective on how prevslebt your quandry is in comparison, consider thst there are aboit 100m Dropbox users in the world but there are about 4.1B text messages sent EVERY DAY just in the USA...
So your issue is certainly not as prevalent as one that impscts sms/mms negatively. Dropbox is hardly your only option for achieving your end goal in your example, whereas we are stuck with an antiqued mms/sms platform on Android.
I love android, which is why I just picked up a Galaxy Note 2, but I really wish people would stop downplaying glaring flaws such as this.
Certainly we can jump through a couple of apps and juggle a couple of files to ultimately send an mms video, but is clunky and slow, and if you're on the move, its just not practical.
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Hah. Archa1c, This issue, were it so disabling, would surely be no1 topic on every board. I take your point, but feel you are overstating it, more so than anyone who underplays it.
If you wish to make thinly veiled insults, fine. Your response makes me me wonder if
1. You've ever used email(much larger file sizes, and 144.8 billion a day)
2. You understand the notion of a smartphone as a platform on which functionality may be added in highly specialised and personally tailored ways.
The slogan 'there's an app for that' springs to mind. Isn't this the point? Not to have everything fixed and there (and limited), but to be able to add functionality as your need takes you. Maybe you could build an app that does what you wish it to do, or petition a dev to build it for you.
Lastly, as the skilled communicator that you clearly are (and in so many media) need you be quite so abrasive?
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=roman10.media.converter
Forgive me, but this core and important function is something I've never before thought of needing. One play search seemed to sort it. While we're on the subject, I recently had to use an iPad for recording interviews, and upload them via drop box. The auto 1080p format then took nearly forever to upload. It took a paid app to lower the resolution and a variety of rather frustrating steps to upload to db. I can't believe apple have survived with all this unacceptability! (Yeah, most of these rants are quite pointless)
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Yeah, that app doesn't work. I have tried it, along with every other app that claims to have the function.
Up until my Optimus G, no other phone, other than iPhone could do this seamlessly. I can't believe there still isn't an app that can duplicate this functionality. I can't be the only one who desires this. I switched back to an iPhone several times just to get this functionality back.
Sometimes, it's the simple things that matter.
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Hah. Archa1c, This issue, were it so disabling, would surely be no1 topic on every board. I take your point, but feel you are overstating it, more so than anyone who underplays it.
If you wish to make thinly veiled insults, fine. Your response makes me me wonder if
1. You've ever used email(much larger file sizes, and 144.8 billion a day)
2. You understand the notion of a smartphone as a platform on which functionality may be added in highly specialised and personally tailored ways.
The slogan 'there's an app for that' springs to mind. Isn't this the point? Not to have everything fixed and there (and limited), but to be able to add functionality as your need takes you. Maybe you could build an app that does what you wish it to do, or petition a dev to build it for you.
Lastly, as the skilled communicator that you clearly are (and in so many media) need you be quite so abrasive?
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Sorry for coming off as abrasive, but your patronizing and condescending tone was off-putting.
Clearly we hold this issue at quite different levels of priority. I think that must be attributed to us communicating with friends in very different ways.
The simplicity and functionality that some Android hardware device manufacturers (and Apple) have decided to put into their messaging code in the form of easy media sharing via MMS shows that there is clearly demand for it.
Again you've proposed an insufficient alternative with email. Every phone supports SMS, but many people do not use email regularly on their phones. I cannot be expected to know what the capabilities are of each recipient.
You don't need to come to Android's defense or sell me on the OS. I'm already a multi-device user and I love it, but thst doesn't mean I should just accept the bad with the good.
You also don't have to tell me about iOS' shortcomings. I know. That's why I have my Note 2 and Galaxy Tab.
I maintain that SMS and MMS on Android is embarrassingly primitive compared to the competition. And unfortunately there IS NOT 'an app for that'.
With love, your brother in Android.
- Archa1c
PS- what's my best option for good keyboard Autocorrect while maintaining the stock Samsung keyboard? (I prefer this keyboard to swiftkey's)
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archa1c said:
Sorry for coming off as abrasive, but your patronizing and condescending tone was off-putting.
Clearly we hold this issue at quite different levels of priority. I think that must be attributed to us communicating with friends in very different ways.
The simplicity and functionality that some Android hardware device manufacturers (and Apple) have decided to put into their messaging code in the form of easy media sharing via MMS shows that there is clearly demand for it.
Again you've proposed an insufficient alternative with email. Every phone supports SMS, but many people do not use email regularly on their phones. I cannot be expected to know what the capabilities are of each recipient.
You don't need to come to Android's defense or sell me on the OS. I'm already a multi-device user and I love it, but thst doesn't mean I should just accept the bad with the good.
You also don't have to tell me about iOS' shortcomings. I know. That's why I have my Note 2 and Galaxy Tab.
I maintain that SMS and MMS on Android is embarrassingly primitive compared to the competition. And unfortunately there IS NOT 'an app for that'.
With love, your brother in Android.
- Archa1c
PS- what's my best option for good keyboard Autocorrect while maintaining the stock Samsung keyboard? (I prefer this keyboard to swiftkey's)
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I actually find Samsung's keyboard to be slightly laggy (and don't get me started on the auto correction). I recommend Swiftkey 3, or the stock new Jelly Bean keyboard on the play store. The stock Jelly Bean is actually very good, though you'll probably miss the numbers row.
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I actually find Samsung's keyboard to be slightly laggy (and don't get me started on the auto correction). I recommend Swiftkey 3, or the stock new Jelly Bean keyboard on the play store. The stock Jelly Bean is actually very good, though you'll probably miss the numbers row.
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The numbers row!
Thats exactly what im trying to maintain while also having good Autocorrect. The blue word suggestions are spot-on, but I wish it would just select them rather than requiring me to tap the suggested word... Maybe if I go back and edit my "typing style"?...
Good talk.
-Sent from my Galaxy Note 2 using only ONE HAND! (Just kidding! that's impossible.)
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Unfortunately I'm not here with an answer, just chiming in.
It is baffling that this functionality still isn't present in stock Android.
iPhone users have had this capability for years now. It's somewhat embarrassing, and a major PITA for Android users to have to embark on a multi-step process simply to mms a short video clip to a friend.
Android users usually respond with the following suggestions (many stating that it's 'no big deal' but they're lying to themselves)
- Upload the clip to youtube and share the link
----Too many steps, and I don't want to put every single video clip up on Youtube.
- Use a video editing app to crop/downscale the video
---- Again, to many steps, multiple apps
- Take the video from WITHIN the mms app (which automatically uses a lower video quality that will keep file size down)
---- Unacceptable. I prefer to take all of my videos in HD, and won't sacrifice quality simply to be able to send it straight to someone via MMS
I think a lot of Android users are making a major concession here. The entire text/mms experience on Android is a mess. Group texting with other device users is a nightmare. Conversations splinter off into one-on-one conversations for Android users, requiring third party texting apps to enable group text capabilities. This is one area where I'll openly admit that iOS has Android stomped, and to come to Android's defense on this issue will only result in us having a crappy experience for even longer. /Rant
Sorry, it's late, and I'm a little punchy.
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I agree completely. Coming from an iPhone to a Galaxy Note II the lack of this functionality baffles me. Have you found any better solutions yet? Do any of the custom ROMs add this feature?
archa1c said:
Sorry for coming off as abrasive, but your patronizing and condescending tone was off-putting.
Clearly we hold this issue at quite different levels of priority. I think that must be attributed to us communicating with friends in very different ways.
The simplicity and functionality that some Android hardware device manufacturers (and Apple) have decided to put into their messaging code in the form of easy media sharing via MMS shows that there is clearly demand for it.
Again you've proposed an insufficient alternative with email. Every phone supports SMS, but many people do not use email regularly on their phones. I cannot be expected to know what the capabilities are of each recipient.
You don't need to come to Android's defense or sell me on the OS. I'm already a multi-device user and I love it, but thst doesn't mean I should just accept the bad with the good.
You also don't have to tell me about iOS' shortcomings. I know. That's why I have my Note 2 and Galaxy Tab.
I maintain that SMS and MMS on Android is embarrassingly primitive compared to the competition. And unfortunately there IS NOT 'an app for that'.
With love, your brother in Android.
- Archa1c
PS- what's my best option for good keyboard Autocorrect while maintaining the stock Samsung keyboard? (I prefer this keyboard to swiftkey's)
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You're wrong if you read the original post 1080p video recording isn't available to every phone that supports SMS. Only high end smart phones that also have email capabilities support this.
Phone : Nexus 4 /Rom : cataclysm / Kernel : Stock.
I as well recently switched from an iPhone to an Android device and was amazed to find out that I no longer have the ability to send a video over mms. I would have thought that there was an app for that but have not found one to date. IOS does this as seamless as sending a photo over mms, Why cant android do the same?
Yeah I know this is really old but is there a fix yet? Just coming from ios I had no idea this was an issue. What a huge issue if it's.