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Sony Xperia Z4, Z4 Tablet, Z4 Compact, Z4 Ultra: Exclusive Leak

So the Z4 Compact phone is going to remain 4.6" display, but being bumped to 1920 x 1080 HD. That is awesome. The 10" tablet specs sound amazing, unfortunately, I prefer the 8" tablet size.
Sony Xperia Z4, Z4 Tablet, Z4 Compact, Z4 Ultra: Exclusive Leak

kandelai said:
So the Z4 Compact phone is going to remain 4.6" display, but being bumped to 1920 x 1080 HD. That is awesome. The 10" tablet specs sound amazing, unfortunately, I prefer the 8" tablet size.
Sony Xperia Z4, Z4 Tablet, Z4 Compact, Z4 Ultra: Exclusive Leak
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a 1080p resolution on a 4.6 display is a total waste. After ~320ppi anything else will just consume more power with no visual benefit.

jug6ernaut said:
a 1080p resolution on a 4.6 display is a total waste. After ~320ppi anything else will just consume more power with no visual benefit.
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I totally agree. I think the current 720p screen is beautiful, and if it means subtracting from the awesome battery life (unless battery specs change in Z4C), then it is a total waste. I think they are doing it for the higher pixel density crowd. It is the only negative potential buyers see on the phone because of the new push for higher resolution. I was even turned off initially thinking it was just another watered down compact phone, until I read the reviews in detail of how awesome the display is and all the other specs.

Ahh to get a Z3C or to wait.
I'm more interested in the new sensor for the camera
So im assuming the 801 to 810 is a huge jump.
Wonder what the battery life will be like too.
Im all for increased battery life

It doesn't sound like a dead cert the the Z4 will be coming out in compact form. Sony does usually skip a model with the compact versions.
But the changes rumored for the regular Z4 will be awesome -- Qi charging, exposed micro USB port, no more dedicated magnetic charging port (which will make cases much simpler). That is basically my list of what could be improved on the Z3. Now if only Sony would tell us it will have Gorilla Glass on both sides :laugh:

So I bought a brand new device day one a month ago and now the successor is announced it's a strange world we're living in....

King p1n said:
Ahh to get a Z3C or to wait.
I'm more interested in the new sensor for the camera
So im assuming the 801 to 810 is a huge jump.
Wonder what the battery life will be like too.
Im all for increased battery life
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Since Sony is producing flagships every 6 months, you can wait forever there will always follow a better one

cyphomatic said:
Since Sony is producing flagships every 6 months, you can wait forever there will always follow a better one
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The Z4 will be the start of yearly flagships

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a 1080p resolution on a 4.6 display is a total waste. After ~320ppi anything else will just consume more power with no visual benefit.
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That's only true if you have average eyesight and you are at least 12" away from the screen. I use my phone and can readily distinguish pixels on my z1c (and its slightly-denser-than-z3c 720p screen) in a variety of situations. There are further issues for rendering most eastern languages, where they can take advantage of >500ppi screens quite easily.
Yes, there are tradeoffs involved, including potentially less battery life, but to say there is "no visual benefit" is simply ignorant. I will welcome the sharper screen, and I know I am not the only one.

jug6ernaut said:
a 1080p resolution on a 4.6 display is a total waste. After ~320ppi anything else will just consume more power with no visual benefit.
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teiglin said:
That's only true if you have average eyesight and you are at least 12" away from the screen. I use my phone and can readily distinguish pixels on my z1c (and its slightly-denser-than-z3c 720p screen) in a variety of situations. There are further issues for rendering most eastern languages, where they can take advantage of >500ppi screens quite easily.
Yes, there are tradeoffs involved, including potentially less battery life, but to say there is "no visual benefit" is simply ignorant. I will welcome the sharper screen, and I know I am not the only one.
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I have better-than-average eyesight (about 20-15), and I can barely distinguish individual pixels on my Z3C, and only when holding it too close to my face to actually use. I would consider anything over 300 PPI good enough, and anything over 350 PPI perfect.
The Z4C being 1080p might be a disappointment if it results in a loss of battery life, but maybe they'll improve their battery tech enough to make up for it. In any case, wireless charging will be very nice to have.

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I keep hearing that but do you have a source?
Personally the upgrades I want to see in the upcoming Z4C/Z5C are:
Wireless charging/ waterproof usb port
Better camera/curved lens/OIS
Atleast 32GB base storage + sd
Better front facing speakers
MORE battery life
I'm fine with 720p at 4.6 but 1080p would be nice if the battery is increased and the hardware is improved to match (Although imagine an 810 with a 720p screen :laugh: )
3GB+ RAM SD 810 or better, yada yada

AK4TAY7BEN said:
I keep hearing that but do you have a source?
Personally the upgrades I want to see in the upcoming Z4C/Z5C are:
Wireless charging/ waterproof usb port
Better camera/curved lens/OIS
Atleast 32GB base storage + sd
Better front facing speakers
MORE battery life
I'm fine with 720p at 4.6 but 1080p would be nice if the battery is increased and the hardware is improved to match (Although imagine an 810 with a 720p screen :laugh: )
3GB+ RAM SD 810 or better, yada yada
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Don't have the link at hand but the same website said last month that's what their source revealed to them.

Well they could always do what AMD and nVidia do.... rebadge old products.... Then Z3 becomes Z4 compact .

mattdm said:
I have better-than-average eyesight (about 20-15), and I can barely distinguish individual pixels on my Z3C, and only when holding it too close to my face to actually use. I would consider anything over 300 PPI good enough, and anything over 350 PPI perfect.
The Z4C being 1080p might be a disappointment if it results in a loss of battery life, but maybe they'll improve their battery tech enough to make up for it. In any case, wireless charging will be very nice to have.
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I also have great eyesight and can easily spot the inferior display. But has anyone compared the Z3C to the One m7? I couldn't believe my own eyes when I compared the same HD YouTube video on each display only to see that the Z3C blew the m7 away! ?

Issemann said:
I also have great eyesight and can easily spot the inferior display. But has anyone compared the Z3C to the One m7? I couldn't believe my own eyes when I compared the same HD YouTube video on each display only to see that the Z3C blew the m7 away! ��
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There are many things to improve (constrast,brightness etc) in a screen and let's hope they focus on these.
Anyway stuff that i want to see in the upcoming Z4C:
-Same footprint device with 4.6-4.8'' screen @ 720p resolution
-S805,3GB ram 32GB storage+SD
-Better camera and if possible OIS
-2800mah battery
-IR Blaster
-Dual sim
-Single covered port for sim/sd card and water resistant USB port so we can find a decent case
-Matte back as in Z3 tablet compact
-And of course Lollipop out of the box

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There are many things to improve (constrast,brightness etc) in a screen and let's hope they focus on these.
Anyway stuff that i want to see in the upcoming Z4C:
-Same footprint 4.6-4.8'' screen size 720p resolution
-S805,3GB ram 32GB storage+SD
-Better camera and if possible OIS
-2800mah battery
-IR Blaster
-Dual sim
-Single covered port for sim/sd card and not protect usb port so we can find a decent case
-Matte back as in Z3 tablet compact
-And of course Lollipop out of the box
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I would buy this phone in a heartbeat.

EYeah ! Lag will be impossible with that Chipset and
720 but I think they will go higher res anyway.
I do not care if the phone is 10mm thick I want at least a
3000 mah battery.
This Z4 if ruggedly built may be a 2 year type phone , so
wonderfully overspecced.
Hope it's rugged Device and fully engineered Camera this time with digital and OIS.
I will pay tops for this, then I won't wish for a Note 4 Compact / Alpha type thing....
Love to see a full 810 in a Compact !
More wattage than HTC Speakers and maybe Kevlar Drivers like tiny studio monitors -already waterproof.

I'm not sure such wish lists of components and features will ever actually fit in such a small phone. But we can dream :laugh:

Actually I think this can be produced given the fact that since 2 years the motherboard is smaller and smaller :thumbup:
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I really hope there is no compact with the next release but If the z4c is real, I'll be broke again.. Damn you Sony!
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[Readme][Why RAM is a no-brainer on the Z5-series]

Hi all,
i just digged deeper into the firmware and Kernel Source and found some interesting stuff i thought i should share,
as this is quite unusual what Sony is doing here.
The complete Z5 series uses (537 MB on the Z5C / don't know about the other's size) LZ4-compressed ZRAM (compressed block device in RAM), KSM (Kernel-samepage-merging / to release RAM) and a memory resource controller with swap-management.
This means the effective RAM is increased, RAM is released more quickly and tasks are moved to ZRAM when available mem is low.
Two major downsides are higher CPU-usage and more overhead.
The consequences have yet to be tested, but it seems the Z5C can multitask quite well for a 2GB-RAM device running Lollipop,
and to a certain amount this is thanks to the above implementations.
To be added: I have never seen any OEM enabling this stuff by default, thus Sony has caught me quite surprised!

And it shows!
Although this video os for the Z5, which has 3GB RAM instead of the Compact's 2GB, I don't know if its common for a phone to hold a game like FIFA in RAM and being able to multitask like this.

That is impressive. The Z5C (or Z5) is starting to look more and more like my next phone.

alexfrias said:
And it shows!
Although this video os for the Z5, which has 3GB RAM instead of the Compact's 2GB, I don't know if its common for a phone to hold a game like FIFA in RAM and being able to multitask like this.
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Z5 just raped the S6 Edge with multi-tasking. :highfive:

chesterr said:
Z5 just raped the S6 Edge with multi-tasking. :highfive:
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It wouldn't be hard to beat a Samsung S6, when the Z5C is pushing 4x less pixels, and has less features running in the background.
The Z5C is no doubt a great phone, my wife has the Z3C and cant say enough about it, and I'll be getting her the Z5C for xmas. I cant wait till Sony bumps the compact series 4.7" screen up to 1080p and the main stream Z series up to QHD, then I'll jump on the compact series bandwagon as well

cheetah2k said:
It wouldn't be hard to beat a Samsung S6, when the Z5C is pushing 4x less pixels, and has less features running in the background.
The Z5C is no doubt a great phone, my wife has the Z3C and cant say enough about it, and I'll be getting her the Z5C for xmas. I cant wait till Sony bumps the compact series 4.7" screen up to 1080p and the main stream Z series up to QHD, then I'll jump on the compact series bandwagon as well
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I personally love the 720p screen. Is one of the main reasons I want the Z5 compact.
At this screen size there are more benefits using a 720p screen than a 1080p screen.
Now if we are talking about a 5.2" devices. Well 720p shouldn't be bad, but more resolution is recommended sacrifying a few other things (CPU/GPU usage. Display energy consumption. Android DPI with more heavier content. Bandwidth usage and above all this battery consumption).
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Need a comparison z3+ vs Z5 ( Camera, Heat issue)

Hi guys I need to make a decision to sell the z3+ and get the z5, so basically need some camera/ heat comparisons
If you have any samples please post. thanks

Hi mate
I had the Z3 for a good few months before binning it and getting the Z5.
The camera is higher quality in my opinion but the difference isn't massive unless you're looking at a direct comparison. Heat wise the Z5 gets hotter near the NFC logo under load but is cool to the touch most of the time. I find the Z3 got boiling when charging (I had the official Qi charging case) whereas the z5 stays nice and cool.
If heat is a concern, i'd look to get your hands on one before making the 2 year commitment (or whatever your contract/plan is)
Sorry I don't have any comparison shots to hand.
Carl

Actually I didn't like the camera, and definitely there is a heating problem with this phone :/
btw, do I need to buy a rapid/fast charger or the one included in the box does the job?

Z3+ Heat
Naffets said:
Hi mate
I had the Z3 for a good few months before binning it and getting the Z5.
The camera is higher quality in my opinion but the difference isn't massive unless you're looking at a direct comparison. Heat wise the Z5 gets hotter near the NFC logo under load but is cool to the touch most of the time. I find the Z3 got boiling when charging (I had the official Qi charging case) whereas the z5 stays nice and cool.
If heat is a concern, i'd look to get your hands on one before making the 2 year commitment (or whatever your contract/plan is)
Sorry I don't have any comparison shots to hand.
Carl
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Got the z3+ had some heat issues, While charging its just cool, only thing it closes soon while slow motion and AR Effects due to heat. thats the issue. So basically it has the same issue as Z3+?
If so i might stick with the z3+

I will set up my Z5 shortly. I also have a Z3+ that I'm keeping & will try to do a comparison for you after using Z5 for 2/3 days. But few things I can tell you right now
- Z3+ is camera is actually significantly better than Z3/Z2 in auto mode & yes, Z5 camera is also significantly better than Z3+ in auto, but I'll post some pictures for you to decide
- Z3+ is excellent in performance tasks like heavy browsing/multitasking. My S6 simply can't keep up with that. It's quite sad considering the hype it generated. I also regularly get 1 extra hour of SoT from Z3+ compared to S6 (& yes, it's still less than Z2's but we're talking 2015, lollipop, & octa core here). I do browse, stream, & play games a lot, but I don't watch movies on phones.
- Z5 may have better 'sustained' performance due to that extra cooling pipe, which should also answer your heat/AR mask question. I'll follow up on that.

schecter7 said:
I will set up my Z5 shortly. I also have a Z3+ that I'm keeping & will try to do a comparison for you after using Z5 for 2/3 days. But few things I can tell you right now
- Z3+ is camera is actually significantly better than Z3/Z2 in auto mode & yes, Z5 camera is also significantly better than Z3+ in auto, but I'll post some pictures for you to decide
- Z3+ is excellent in performance tasks like heavy browsing/multitasking. My S6 simply can't keep up with that. It's quite sad considering the hype it generated. I also regularly get 1 extra hour of SoT from Z3+ compared to S6 (& yes, it's still less than Z2's but we're talking 2015, lollipop, & octa core here). I do browse, stream, & play games a lot, but I don't watch movies on phones.
- Z5 may have better 'sustained' performance due to that extra cooling pipe, which should also answer your heat/AR mask question. I'll follow up on that.
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awaiting your return.lol

josephnero said:
awaiting your return.lol
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Good to see you brother! Feel free to ask any questions
@JR5968
Heat-wise. Z5 runs at least 5/6 degree C lower than Z3+ performing the same set of heavy tasks (I did 6/7 consecutive Antutu runs with identical starting temp on both). Dual heat pipe FTW - no kidding.
If Z3+ heating is bothering you too much, you should consider Z5. They both have the same SoC & things are not going to run any faster on Z5 (when both are cold/warm), but you'll see a big difference only if you're pushing Z3+ towards its throttling range (which you are as it sounds like). Dual heat pipe aside, Z5 should have some sw optimizations that Z3+ will probably get shortly. It should definitely make a difference.
You should also check out that 'throttle fix' thread on Z3+ forum. It makes a big difference if you go with @nfs2010 's fix. That was our second heat pipe lol If you don't like the fix, get Z5. If you do, just wait for Z6/7!
I'll post some pictures later on.

@schecter7
thanks man.actually I'm most concerned with overall speed as I have no lag what so ever on my Z2 and Z3 so I would hate it on Z5.any comments on general speed and multitasking?
also if u could do some screen comparisons that would be awesome.or comment on it.hows reflectivity?low I hope

@josephnero I've attached some pictures showing Z5 , Z3+, Z2 (left to right, also image enhancement off & default WB on all) screens in action. Z5 screen can get dimmer than the other two - I think. So for normal usage, the slider needs to be set to a higher position to get the same brightness output. Z3+ is the brightest one but I never had to use anywhere near its maximum brightness, so Z5 is totally fine. I'll post some pictures later on to compare sunlight legibility. But so far I haven't had any issue using it outdoor. You probably have to use a screen protector to avoid fingerprints.
Multitasking is great - no hiccups. It can definitely handle heavy tasks better than my Z2. Only occasional lag I have seen is on the MT window while trying to close apps. Surprisingly, it happens more often when there's only one app lol Z3+ had some similar minor bugs that they've fixed with fw updates quite fast. Overall, Z3+ feels a bit faster - UI & camera wise , but it got three updates in four months. So keep an eye on the updates if that concerns you. Z2 & Z3 both are amazing phones, so the bar is quite high - I understand

@schecter7
Thanks man.Awesome job.Z5 seems a bit more reddish but we all know z3 has a cold tint.Also I remember at IFA the sony rep said new camera UI update is coming in november.hopefully it will further Improve the awesome cam

Thanks mate, hope i will stick with the z3+ for now. I don't mind it heats up as long as it does not close the awesome AR Effects/mask
Anyhow thanks for giving the comparisons

There are my samples from Z3+ and Z5.
Z3+
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8aVAm1KMRG-RWh4QS1zcjdXMms/view?usp=sharing (Inteligent Auto)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8aVAm1KMRG-dVFzcHprN0NpV0E/view?usp=sharing (Inteligent Auto)
Z5
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8aVAm1KMRG-ZVFzZ3p2U2Q1ZWM/view?usp=sharing (Inteligent Auto)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8aVAm1KMRG-NUFBTTZwM2x5TTg/view?usp=sharing (Inteligent Auto)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8aVAm1KMRG-alB4MTVVTkJmd3c/view?usp=sharing (Inteligent Auto 23 MPX)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8aVAm1KMRG-dG9wYXlOcnF2ajA/view?usp=sharing (Inteligent Auto 23 MPX)
I am hoping that the new camera UI update in December will improve camera.
About heat. Z5 heats less than Z3+. Only when I am playing heavy games and using AR Effects and AR Mask Z5 heats quicker and gets hot(it doesn't close those camera apps like on Z3+) but in daily use it is little warm. And Z5 works better than Z3+ (although Z3+ works good after 2 updates) but I think Sony will fix that on Z3+ with Android 6. Battery on Z5 is almost the same as on Z3+; slightly better.
Those are main answers on your questions.

X Compact discussion thread

X Compact is coming up on IFA 2016
https://twitter.com/evleaks/status/768782671707148288/photo/1
I think the design is a bit more like Nokia Lumia. Not much info yet but leaking info. said 2700Mah, S650, 4.6" IPS, usb type-c, 3GB ram.
https://www.facebook.com/sonyhongkong/videos/10154558233497871/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mb7OhTrojg
Plus Sony FES Watch looks coming soon too.

They have lost their minds. Wide range of phones with specs from mid range to premium, but still premium with their prices.
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mele80 said:
They have lost their minds. Wide range of phones with specs from mid range to premium, but still premium with their prices.
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yup, Sony is over priced, they are always expensive. I would like to know any new features or quality improvement on camera. I won't get a new compact now but if the camera is great this time, I may get it next year when it become cheaper.
Another problem is s650 get used, not s820 so we'll not supported by AndroPlus Kernel again(we need donate a x compact for AndroPlus).

The Z5C was the last great phone from Sony.

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The Z5C was the last great phone from Sony.
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CPU speed is roughly the same but s810 GPU is much faster than s650(only at S808 GPU level). So, the cpu actually is a downgrade but 3GB ram is useful. S650 should be more heat friendly but Z5c is fine after rooted and lower cpu clock.

What exactly is compact about this phone? The bezel size is one of the worst I've ever seen on a phone.

civicsr2cool said:
What exactly is compact about this phone? The bezel size is one of the worst I've ever seen on a phone.
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My guess is just an early prototype, the final ver might be different.

TheEndHK said:
My guess is just an early prototype, the final ver might be different.
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It's likely a prototype bit probably not far off. This phone wouldnt make sense to buy over a 6s being that big.

civicsr2cool said:
It's likely a prototype bit probably not far off. This phone wouldnt make sense to buy over a 6s being that big.
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http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/08/25/xperia-xz-and-xperia-x-compact-confirmed-on-sony-site/
The Sony Mobile Czech site has confirmed that the two handsets to launch at IFA next week will be called the Xperia XZ and Xperia X Compact. Looks like Sony has found a way to get the ‘Z’ branding back into its phones to denote the flagship device.
LOL .... X & Z = XZ

TheEndHK said:
CPU speed is roughly the same but s810 GPU is much faster than s650(only at S808 GPU level). So, the cpu actually is a downgrade but 3GB ram is useful. S650 should be more heat friendly but Z5c is fine after rooted and lower cpu clock.
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so true!!
Z5C faster also better GPU basemark X z5c= 30K , X = 15K ,50% less ( regular Z5=23K) compact faster because screen resolution is720P and not 1080P
at CPU level only when the heat start to kick, X will faster from Z5 (really by little bit and not always)
only x performance has faster cpu but for gaming its the same, again because the resolution: look at the result i uploaded
the only "down side" for Z5c is low RAM . but they say for 720P resolution 2GB its good enough , (although already reached only 250MB free RAM on really heavy games)
i wonder if Z5 will have the same free RAM with the same games

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so true!!
Z5C faster also better GPU basemark X z5c= 30K , X = 15K ,50% less ( regular Z5=23K) compact faster because screen resolution is720P and not 1080P
at CPU level only when the heat start to kick, X will faster from Z5 (really by little bit and not always)
only x performance has faster cpu but for gaming its the same, again because the resolution: look at the result i uploaded
the only "down side" for Z5c is low RAM . but they say for 720P resolution 2GB its good enough , (although already reached only 250MB free RAM on really heavy games)
i wonder if Z5 will have the same free RAM with the same games
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The XC prototype should be sd650 and retail ver still have chance to use sd820 but I think the whole idea is switch to a cheaper CPU and free up budget to get 3GB ram. Overall a fair trade. Some rumors claimed XC will use 4.6" FHD if that is ture together with s650 will got a big performace hit on gaming and probably battery life even worse than Z5c.
I think Sony MM memory management not optimized or MM really consumed more ram, or both. We can only debloat the rom and use greenify donated to free up more ram.
Gaming on 720P will use texture at a lower resolution.

Sony Xperia X Compact goes official
Snapdragon 650? So the compact is now midrange? Sigh

uchosen said:
Sony Xperia X Compact goes official
Snapdragon 650? So the compact is now midrange? Sigh
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Mid range and not so compact. In other news I bought my first iPhone yesterday and put my Sony up for sale.

Well, at least z5c will be even more cheaper... Kaz, who ever is a head of sony mobile needs to be shot to the sun with a cannon and a switch has to be done. I see vaio destiny for Sony mobile.

Anyone think Sony will price this mid-ranger at $300? Yeah, probably not but I hope to be proved wrong.

The XC is ****, jeez. How bad are they wanting to get their phones...

I'm ranking XC as better than Z5C :
XC > Z5C :
slightly same cpu performance and better heat dicipation
better gpu performance
3gb of ram
better camera performance
better fingerprint reader
usb type-C
better design (personal taste)
support will last longer
XC < Z5C:
no ip68 (like other oem's cared before pfff)
type of ram (DDR3)
plastic instead of frosted glass (really liked the feel of it)
If the price stays bellow 400$ Xperia X Compact is a really good phone and I will buy it

sheraro said:
I'm ranking XC as better than Z5C :
XC > Z5C :
slitly same cpu performance and better heat dicipation
better gpu performance
3gb of ram
better camera performance
usb type-C
better design (personal taste)
support will last longer
XC < Z5C:
no ip68 (like other oem's cared before pfff)
type of ram (DDR3)
plastic instead of frosted glass (really liked the feel of it)
If the price stays bellow 400$ Xperia X Compact is a really good phone and I will buy it
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Adreon 430 > Adreon 510
We will see about heat
From videos I hate new design
Really only camera is better (?) in x compact. Not worth an upgrade.

sheraro said:
I'm ranking XC as better than Z5C :
XC > Z5C :
slightly same cpu performance and better heat dicipation
better gpu performance
3gb of ram
better camera performance
better fingerprint reader
usb type-C
better design (personal taste)
support will last longer
XC < Z5C:
no ip68 (like other oem's cared before pfff)
type of ram (DDR3)
plastic instead of frosted glass (really liked the feel of it)
If the price stays bellow 400$ Xperia X Compact is a really good phone and I will buy it
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Both SD650 and SD810 only used 28nm HPM but SD650 replaced the big core from A57 to A72(and reduced to Hexcore) should improve hot issue and battery life but I don't expect as much improvement of SD820. SD810 GPU much faster bcoz SD650 gpu only identical to SD808 gpu.
I don't like the XC design, I think my Z1c and Z5c much better but the color on XC looks good.
Sony removed 4K recording from XC though we can enable 4K with root just like other X series's phones but we got to use 3rd apps to shoot 4K. Hence, the new 5-axis steadyshot is only available to FHD bcoz 3rd apps can't use it.
Official support from Sony is longer but I doubt we will get many support from XDA this time bcoz our CPU is different now and just can't port from XZ directly like we did on Z1c, Z3c and Z5c.
Correction:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-x-performance/how-to/root-how-to-enable-sonys-4k-video-t3406075
XC should be able to use official 4K sony app with root follow this method but not sure if the 5-axis steadyshot still work.

algiuz said:
Adreon 430 > Adreon 510
We will see about heat
From videos I hate new design
Really only camera is better (?) in x compact. Not worth an upgrade.
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Yes. It's safe to say only 3GB ram and camera is better and others are downgraded. I would like to see how good of the new camera bcoz I don't satisfy with Z5c.
If they real improve the camera, I may switch to XC next year but really, I don't think worth to do it, sticking with Z5c and wait XC2 is a better choice for most of us.

X Compact vs XZ1 compact SOT

Good day.
Has anyone had the oportunity to compare XC vs XZ1C SOT?
I am thinking in replacing my stupid Galaxy S8 and get a smaller phone.
Trying to decide between XC or XZ1C. I simply loved the battery life of my good old Z3 Compact

I was in the same boat and went with the XC because it was half the price and I prefer Nougat over Oreo. Also, the XZ1 has no FM radio.
The XZ1 looks nicer and has a more premium case which isn't a fingerprint magnet and the volume buttons are positioned higher up so easier to use. Camera is better too and it has more RAM and a faster chipset but the 3GB XC RAM and mid-range chipset is plenty fast for me.
Battery on the XZ1 is better too but the XC battery life is also excellent, I comfortably get two days out of mine and can stretch it to 3 with light usage. Haven't done a direct comparison of screen-on-time but I had my XZ1 for a week and didn't think it was worth £400. For me, it came down to price and Sony getting rid of their useful customisations in Oreo. At least with the XC you have the option to upgrade (or not) to Oreo.

Dark_Horse said:
I was in the same boat and went with the XC because it was half the price and I prefer Nougat over Oreo. Also, the XZ1 has no FM radio.
The XZ1 looks nicer and has a more premium case which isn't a fingerprint magnet and the volume buttons are positioned higher up so easier to use. Camera is better too and it has more RAM and a faster chipset but the 3GB XC RAM and mid-range chipset is plenty fast for me.
Battery on the XZ1 is better too but the XC battery life is also excellent, I comfortably get two days out of mine and can stretch it to 3 with light usage. Haven't done a direct comparison of screen-on-time but I had my XZ1 for a week and didn't think it was worth £400. For me, it came down to price and Sony getting rid of their useful customisations in Oreo. At least with the XC you have the option to upgrade (or not) to Oreo.
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Even though I can't see what's missed in Oreo in comparison to Nougat, I agree with everything else that you've written.

kwstas 13 said:
Even thought I can't see what's missed in Oreo in comparison to Nougat, I agree with everything else that you've written.
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if price doesn't matter for you get the xz1c cause
- It has way better graphical performance
- One more year of official software support
- better material and more premium
- better front camera + 4k video recording
- trust me, xc speakers are ****...
otherwise:
- cpu performance and daily usage is 99% the same experience (no lag and no ram issue in Xc)
- xc has a more vibrant display (just due to different calibrations from sony)
almost same battery performance
- xc has exactly the same gpu performance as the S8 (due to lower spec gpu but also lower resolution display)
- you might wanna wait and see if sony brings a better compact phone in 2018 cause XZ1c doesnt quite nail it and s8 is a beautiful phone...

Kianush said:
if price doesn't matter for you get the xz1c cause
- It has way better graphical performance
- One more year of official software support
- better material and more premium
- better front camera + 4k video recording
- trust me, xc speakers are ****...
otherwise:
- cpu performance and daily usage is 99% the same experience (no lag and no ram issue in Xc)
- xc has a more vibrant display (just due to different calibrations from sony)
almost same battery performance
- xc has exactly the same gpu performance as the S8 (due to lower spec gpu but also lower resolution display)
- you might wanna wait and see if sony brings a better compact phone in 2018 cause XZ1c doesnt quite nail it and s8 is a beautiful phone...
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Also, XZ1 have waterproof (IP68/IP66), gorilla glass 5 and bluetooth 5.0 ( quadruples the wireless transmission range, boosts the broadcast messaging ability by 800% and doubles the data speed capacity, real compatibility with lossless uncompressed quality with bluetooh headphones)
XC have water resistant (check on youtube), scratch resistant (no specs). The only benefit is that XC have stock Sony option of double tap to wake up and to sleep, which XZ1 doesnt.
XZ1 compact on ebay 450$
XC on Amazon 320$
XZ2 Compact (after MWC 2018) 699$ expected

Good day.
Thank you all very much for your reply.
XZ2 Compact will be anounced in MWC 2018?
I just wanted a good fast compact phone. No other brand offers that, other than Sony. Money is not a issue here.
I'm no Samsung fanboy, and I like Galaxy S8 very much, it is a beautiful phone, excelent camera, the software has all the things i need and never thought to root to add new function.
But it has a so so battery life, it's too big for my hand and impratical, useless fingerprint sensor, and is very fragile (last week it fell to the ground with the cover and the screen shatered. 300euros for repairs)
I have been looking around in this forum and Xz1C one, and it seems that Xz1c forum is still very dormant. As i want to root the phone, XC has the possibility to backup DRM keys, in case i want to send for warranty and there is much more mods for XC.
What's keeping me from buying XC is that battery endurance rating is 73h, worse that Galaxy S8, vs 108h for the XZ1C as stated in GSM Arena. And the loudness of the speakers.
If XZ2 Compact really will be anounced in MWC 2018, about 10 days from now, think i'll wait to see if it is worth it. (rumors say that XZ2C will be 5" screen, fingerprint sensor in the back and no 3.5mm earphone plug, and those for me are a no go)
Thank you.

Hansoliv said:
Good day.
Thank you all very much for your reply.
XZ2 Compact will be anounced in MWC 2018?
I just wanted a good fast compact phone. No other brand offers that, other than Sony. Money is not a issue here.
I'm no Samsung fanboy, and I like Galaxy S8 very much, it is a beautiful phone, excelent camera, the software has all the things i need and never thought to root to add new function.
But it has a so so battery life, it's too big for my hand and impratical, useless fingerprint sensor, and is very fragile (last week it fell to the ground with the cover and the screen shatered. 300euros for repairs)
I have been looking around in this forum and Xz1C one, and it seems that Xz1c forum is still very dormant. As i want to root the phone, XC has the possibility to backup DRM keys, in case i want to send for warranty and there is much more mods for XC.
What's keeping me from buying XC is that battery endurance rating is 73h, worse that Galaxy S8, vs 108h for the XZ1C as stated in GSM Arena. And the loudness of the speakers.
If XZ2 Compact really will be anounced in MWC 2018, about 10 days from now, think i'll wait to see if it is worth it. (rumors say that XZ2C will be 5" screen, fingerprint sensor in the back and no 3.5mm earphone plug, and those for me are a no go)
Thank you.
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If I were you, I'd definately wait for MWC 2018 (7 days patience).

Hansoliv said:
Good day.
What's keeping me from buying XC is that battery endurance rating is 73h, worse that Galaxy S8, vs 108h for the XZ1C as stated in GSM Arena. And the loudness of the speakers.
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One thing to notice though, xz1c would have been tested with oreo, and xc would have been tested with either nougat or even marshmallow. The OS difference might have affected the battery performance.

Hansoliv said:
What's keeping me from buying XC is that battery endurance rating is 73h, worse that Galaxy S8, vs 108h for the XZ1C as stated in GSM Arena. And the loudness of the speakers.
If XZ2 Compact really will be anounced in MWC 2018, about 10 days from now, think i'll wait to see if it is worth it. (rumors say that XZ2C will be 5" screen, fingerprint sensor in the back and no 3.5mm earphone plug, and those for me are a no go)
Thank you.
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Battery life is very subjective and those GSM Arena tests are synthetic, i.e. not reflective of real use. A lot depends on network signal strength, what you have enabled and running the background so they are useful as a comparison tool with other devices but it's quite possible the XC would have similar if not comparable battery life to the XZ1 depending on how you use it.
I'd definitely wait for MWC to see what the XZ2 Compact is all about as well as what other phones are announced. I totally agree with you though, 5" is too large and with no 3.5mm earphone plug and a fingerprint sensor in the worst place, it's a deal breaker.
I think overall, the XC is the last great all-rounder compact that Sony made, the XZ1C not having the FM Radio and losing all the useful Sony customisations in Oreo.

Hansoliv said:
Good day.
Thank you all very much for your reply.
XZ2 Compact will be anounced in MWC 2018?
I just wanted a good fast compact phone. No other brand offers that, other than Sony. Money is not a issue here.
I'm no Samsung fanboy, and I like Galaxy S8 very much, it is a beautiful phone, excelent camera, the software has all the things i need and never thought to root to add new function.
But it has a so so battery life, it's too big for my hand and impratical, useless fingerprint sensor, and is very fragile (last week it fell to the ground with the cover and the screen shatered. 300euros for repairs)
I have been looking around in this forum and Xz1C one, and it seems that Xz1c forum is still very dormant. As i want to root the phone, XC has the possibility to backup DRM keys, in case i want to send for warranty and there is much more mods for XC.
What's keeping me from buying XC is that battery endurance rating is 73h, worse that Galaxy S8, vs 108h for the XZ1C as stated in GSM Arena. And the loudness of the speakers.
If XZ2 Compact really will be anounced in MWC 2018, about 10 days from now, think i'll wait to see if it is worth it. (rumors say that XZ2C will be 5" screen, fingerprint sensor in the back and no 3.5mm earphone plug, and those for me are a no go)
Thank you.
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well Oreo has a big effect on battery life, since I upgraded my xc to oreo it easily lasts about 12 more hours with normal usage...
and although I agree with you about xz2c being like that, I think 5" display would be on a bezel-less front and for headphone jack, there are plenty of type-c to 3.5mm connectors that are very cheap and tiny and easy to use, so if no 3.5mm jack means less bezels, Im totaly on for it....
also, rumors say that there might be an acoustic display on xz2c, its just rumors but man that one thing is SOMETHING!

Kianush said:
well Oreo has a big effect on battery life, since I upgraded my xc to oreo it easily lasts about 12 more hours with normal usage...
and although I agree with you about xz2c being like that, I think 5" display would be on a bezel-less front and for headphone jack, there are plenty of type-c to 3.5mm connectors that are very cheap and tiny and easy to use, so if no 3.5mm jack means less bezels, Im totaly on for it....
also, rumors say that there might be an acoustic display on xz2c, its just rumors but man that one thing is SOMETHING!
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Good day.
I probably will be going to buy an XCompact until xz2C is available in my country.
You could be right about XZ2C. If the rumors are true that they will be using the same phone size and increase the screen.
Acoustic display would be nice in this phone , As long as it does not affect battery life.

Hansoliv said:
Good day.
I probably will be going to buy an XCompact until xz2C is available in my country.
You could be right about XZ2C. If the rumors are true that they will be using the same phone size and increase the screen.
Acoustic display would be nice in this phone , As long as it does not affect battery life.
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well xz2c pictures have been leaked and you could check them out if you havent already,
unfortunatly no acoustic display is a no,
bye bye headphone jack!
bezels are not much less than older phones,
and its reeeaaaly thick!!
maybe hardware performance will make up for it but otherwise I'd say go for Xc and put the remaining money to better use! (true wireless headphones maybe!? )

Hey, compare all information about XC; XZ1c and XZ2c here
I still prefer xz1c, for god's sake, 168g isn't a compact, it's a brick! see no advantages

What the f*ck is Sony doing? Very disappointed :crying:
Xz2 compact is not compact anymore. Thick (12mm), tall (135mm), :crying:
No headphone jack, fingerprint reader on the back. The only fast compact device on the market is dead.
Back to Samsung it is.

After reading about the XZ2 Compact changes, I'm tempted to upgrade my X Compact to an XZ1 Compact just to retain the final version of the good Compact form factor, WITH headphone port and side fingerprint sensor power button. As for XZ1 vs. X, the X is REALLY shiny and slippery, while the XZ1 is a nicer matte metal feel all around. That and a newer SOC and are the main upgrades since now both are on Oreo (though the XZ1 might get Android 9 support in the future, while the X may or may not)

Blue-Haze said:
Hey, compare all information about XC; XZ1c and XZ2c here
I still prefer xz1c, for god's sake, 168g isn't a compact, it's a brick! see no advantages
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Hi,
On your link it says no notification led. Is this true ?? Right now i am happy with my x compact, thinking about an upgrade in a few months maybe but if the new one does not have a led for notification i will be quite lost !!
Thanks

neopbm said:
Hi,
On your link it says no notification led. Is this true ?? Right now i am happy with my x compact, thinking about an upgrade in a few months maybe but if the new one does not have a led for notification i will be quite lost !!
Thanks
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Actually this information is missing. You can see the led notification in rigth corner, here

is there a real difference in photo quality between Xc and Xz1C ?
I am interested in the 2, but the 100 € difference make me hesitate.
What I appreciate above all is a correct autonomy and good photo quality.
What is the best in photo quality?