You can see a benchmark on GSM:
http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_mwc_2017_p10_p10_plus_watch_2-review-1577p3.php
The p10 doesn't have final software yet. And the differences in benchmarks right now are minimal.
The difference is negligible and will definitely not be noticed in real world scenarios. However, why is this surprising or even a topic of discussion? The SoC is identical. Therefore it has the same performance. Then there is software. The software is newer but not final on the P10. Finally: the Mate 9 has a bigger enclosure and more surface area to distribute the heat and therefore will always be slightly 'better'. The same reason why the Mate 9 beats the Mate 9 Pro in non-graphical benchmarks.
P10 was really underwhelming for me. P10 plus even more so. Basically a Mate 9 Pro with a smaller battery, no?
Mate series is the Huawei flagship device. The P series is below it
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P10 was really underwhelming for me. P10 plus even more so. Basically a Mate 9 Pro with a smaller battery, no?
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P10 has a better lens assembly (dual f1.8 both with OIS), 4x4 MIMO antenna for better reception and sd-card slot (mate 9 pro has none). Yes, minor changes, but may be important for camera centric users (like myself).
Let's see how P10 plus performs first.
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P10 has a better lens assembly (dual f1.8 both with OIS), 4x4 MIMO antenna for better reception and sd-card slot (mate 9 pro has none). Yes, minor changes, but may be important for camera centric users (like myself).
Let's see how P10 plus performs first.
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The sd card slot is very nice, indeed. 256GB internal + SD card (albeit Chinese version only, which has somewhat limited LTE bands compared to int'l version) is a dream.
But if the battery life is worse than the Mate 9/Pro, that will be a sad thing. If you compare the Mate 8 to the P9, the difference in battery life is absolutely huge.
Luckily, it seems EMUI 5.1 has some decent battery optimizations. When I had it on my Mate 9, the battery didn't drain, at all, for quite a long time. Can't be sure until official release, of course.
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The sd card slot is very nice, indeed. 256GB internal + SD card (albeit Chinese version only, which has somewhat limited LTE bands compared to int'l version) is a dream.
But if the battery life is worse than the Mate 9/Pro, that will be a sad thing. If you compare the Mate 8 to the P9, the difference in battery life is absolutely huge.
Luckily, it seems EMUI 5.1 has some decent battery optimizations. When I had it on my Mate 9, the battery didn't drain, at all, for quite a long time. Can't be sure until official release, of course.
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The Mate 9 will have better battery life for obvious reasons and the devices aren't really meant replace one another, so I don't really see the point in making a 1:1 comparison. They're aimed at different customers with the P series being more 'mainstream'.
The bigger battery on the Mate series will in most cases trounce the P series and that's the point. However you get a smaller device with the P series.
So pick one. You can't have both.
The camera and signal reception will be superior on the P10P. The P series also has some interesting color/design options. The camera being flush with the chassis is also great.
Only thing they could have done differently is SoC (TSMC isn't ready with 10nm just yet, so Huawei is forced to wait for a Kirin 970 that hopefully has a bigger GPU and updated IP blocks on the SoC) or update the camera sensors.
I also don't think comparing older devices with new ones serve any purpose. A lot has changed since then. The difference will be smaller in battery life this time but you can't fight physics on this.
Trixanity said:
The Mate 9 will have better battery life for obvious reasons and the devices aren't really meant replace one another, so I don't really see the point in making a 1:1 comparison. They're aimed at different customers with the P series being more 'mainstream'.
The bigger battery on the Mate series will in most cases trounce the P series and that's the point. However you get a smaller device with the P series.
So pick one. You can't have both.
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My disappointment is mainly aimed at the larger P10 Plus. 5.5 inch screen, same as Mate 9 pro, but a smaller battery. Although the difference in the battery size is not huge, I'm surprised they didn't go with 4000, since they managed to fit that in the M9 Pro.
Of course with the smaller P10, it can't be helped.
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My disappointment is mainly aimed at the larger P10 Plus. 5.5 inch screen, same as Mate 9 pro, but a smaller battery. Although the difference in the battery size is not huge, I'm surprised they didn't go with 4000, since they managed to fit that in the M9 Pro.
Of course with the smaller P10, it can't be helped.
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The Mate 9 Pro is 0.5mm thicker. That's probably where the 250 mAh comes from. They went with the more 'aesthetically pleasing' design for the P series (aka thin is better than battery life). I also think the display assembly for AMOLED displays is thinner and overall smaller, so probably a fair bit more internal volume for battery when all factors are accounted for.
same SOC doesn't means same performance all the time. thin body means it need to sacrifices some performance to keep it cool and less power consumption. same SOC yes, but different turning, result of different performance.
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I have a OP3T 128GB version running Nougat, but I'm a former Samsung Note user who got spoiled by the bigger screen and the LTE bands aren't supported in my region on the 3T, so I'm leaning toward picking up a Mate 8 which does support LTE in my region for a good price and selling the OP3T.
Would you think it's a bad decision?
Well the most reasonable update would be the Mate 9. Still if the op3 does not support LTE in your region it is enough reason to look for a different phone. I have had both and they run pretty smooth, the Mate 8 with Nougat is just impressive. Besides the bigger screen makes it a winner. The OP3 has more ram and a newer processor, but in everyday tasks you won notice the difference.
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Well the most reasonable update would be the Mate 9. Still if the op3 does not support LTE in your region it is enough reason to look for a different phone. I have had both and they run pretty smooth, the Mate 8 with Nougat is just impressive. Besides the bigger screen makes it a winner. The OP3 has more ram and a newer processor, but in everyday tasks you won notice the difference.
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Do the on screen buttons take up the extra half-inch that is gained by going from the 5.5 inch to the 6 inch screen without capacitive off screen buttons?
On older android versions, the on screen buttons were always there. But on the mate 8 and other modern android phones, they disappear majority of the time. Like in videos or games, its utilises the full screen.
Regarding the mate 8 vs op3t, it would be ideal to get a mate 9 instead. Unless cost is an issue, then both are equally as compelling. Bigger screen, dual sim & better battery with mate8 or amoled display, more compact device, faster hardware with op3t.
Depends on personal preference really.
Mate 8 + Nougat or Mate 9
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Do the on screen buttons take up the extra half-inch that is gained by going from the 5.5 inch to the 6 inch screen without capacitive off screen buttons?
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Hi,
It is not a bad decision at all.
Oneplusone3T 128GB is one of the phones recently released so you have every chance of getting gr8 returns.
Mate 8 + Nougat is awesome! and matches very closely to Mate 9 but Mate 9 as you know has better hardware with Kirin 960 is nearly 30% faster from what I read on the net. Even in the benchmarks you can see the difference.
If you choose Mate 8 then go for (NXT-L29) model.
- Rooting, unlocking, is so much easier.
- Battery life is awesome ( 10hr SOT for many, 5hr to 8hr - few more , 8hr to 10hr )
- Excellent features.
- Phone feels solid, big screen, camera is fine.
- Performance is really good - no lags, no overheating, 2hrs to charge,
- Cost 500$ for 64GB, Amazon has good deals.
- For the buttons - you have the option to hide them temporarily ( like autohide taskbar in windows) it is something similar
- Mate 8 + Nougat = Awesome! :good:
Mate 9
- Excellent processor, camera , battery (better hardware) performance. Android Nougat.
- Screen size 5.9" , it has NFC and almost everything that Mate 8 has.
So if you are not bothered about money then Mate 9 is totally worth it. Bigger and better battery life of Mate 9 will allow you to enjoy the phone more. Few screenshots attached.
Go for it.
Cheers!
Sam
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Do the on screen buttons take up the extra half-inch that is gained by going from the 5.5 inch to the 6 inch screen without capacitive off screen buttons?
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It does, but as someone who used both the Oneplus and the Mate series, I find it a non-issue.
The mate 8 has really thin chin so having the buttons a bit higher is beneficial for your hands. Screen estate is not a problem in general usage like browsing or using apps, it is still spacious enough compared to any other phone, and on webpages you'll be scrolling anyway. When screen size really matters like playing a game or watching a video, the nav keys auto-hide and you have the full 6 inch to enjoy. Plus there is the extra advantage of avoiding accidental touch on the nav keys when you hold the phone sideways, which could be annoying on phones with capacitive keys.
You also have the options to use quick toggle to hide it, or use the "dot" style keys.
Besides the screen, the biggest advantage the Mate 8 will give you is battery life, it will be significantly better than the oneplus 3. The EMUI 5 is also arguably a more complete system. General smoothness should be on par in both phones, maybe slightly better for Mate 8.
The disadvantage will be in gaming performance, camera performance, and a little inconvenience if you often use the phone on the table (fingerprint on the back). But these disadvantages are quite minor in my experience, I haven't got any lag issue playing the 3d games I play, the camera on Mate 8 is still fine (just not 2016 flagship level), and if you use the phone mostly by holding it then backside fingerprint is a pro.
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It does, but as someone who used both the Oneplus and the Mate series, I find it a non-issue.
The mate 8 has really thin chin so having the buttons a bit higher is beneficial for your hands. Screen estate is not a problem in general usage like browsing or using apps, it is still spacious enough compared to any other phone, and on webpages you'll be scrolling anyway. When screen size really matters like playing a game or watching a video, the nav keys auto-hide and you have the full 6 inch to enjoy. Plus there is the extra advantage of avoiding accidental touch on the nav keys when you hold the phone sideways, which could be annoying on phones with capacitive keys.
You also have the options to use quick toggle to hide it, or use the "dot" style keys.
Besides the screen, the biggest advantage the Mate 8 will give you is battery life, it will be significantly better than the oneplus 3. The EMUI 5 is also arguably a more complete system. General smoothness should be on par in both phones, maybe slightly better for Mate 8.
The disadvantage will be in gaming performance, camera performance, and a little inconvenience if you often use the phone on the table (fingerprint on the back). But these disadvantages are quite minor in my experience, I haven't got any lag issue playing the 3d games I play, the camera on Mate 8 is still fine (just not 2016 flagship level), and if you use the phone mostly by holding it then backside fingerprint is a pro.
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I'll need to buy the L-09 model, since it supports LTE in my market and it has 3GB of RAM where the other model has 4GB, but I appreciate the feedback comparing the two.
Samavb said:
Hi,
It is not a bad decision at all.
Oneplusone3T 128GB is one of the phones recently released so you have every chance of getting gr8 returns.
Mate 8 + Nougat is awesome! and matches very closely to Mate 9 but Mate 9 as you know has better hardware with Kirin 960 is nearly 30% faster from what I read on the net. Even in the benchmarks you can see the difference.
If you choose Mate 8 then go for (NXT-L29) model.
- Rooting, unlocking, is so much easier.
- Battery life is awesome ( 10hr SOT for many, 5hr to 8hr - few more , 8hr to 10hr )
- Excellent features.
- Phone feels solid, big screen, camera is fine.
- Performance is really good - no lags, no overheating, 2hrs to charge,
- Cost 500$ for 64GB, Amazon has good deals.
- For the buttons - you have the option to hide them temporarily ( like autohide taskbar in windows) it is something similar
- Mate 8 + Nougat = Awesome! :good:
Mate 9
- Excellent processor, camera , battery (better hardware) performance. Android Nougat.
- Screen size 5.9" , it has NFC and almost everything that Mate 8 has.
So if you are not bothered about money then Mate 9 is totally worth it. Bigger and better battery life of Mate 9 will allow you to enjoy the phone more. Few screenshots attached.
Go for it.
Cheers!
Sam
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I need L-09 because the L-29 model doesn't have my LTE bands, but is there a Nougat ROM for the 3GB L0-09 variant also?
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I need L-09 because the L-29 model doesn't have my LTE bands, but is there a Nougat ROM for the 3GB L0-09 variant also?
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They will all get Nougat ROM, but right now only Chinese versions has stable updates pushed out. For other international versions, you will either have to manually flash a Nougat ROM or join a beta program (availability varies) in order to use Nougat and EMUI 5.0 immediately. Otherwise you will have to wait a few more weeks to get the stable version Nougat update via OTA.
Firmware updates - L09
donalgodon said:
I need L-09 because the L-29 model doesn't have my LTE bands, but is there a Nougat ROM for the 3GB L0-09 variant also?
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Hi,
There are Nougat ROMs available in this thread
You can choose which one is suitable for L09.
I found the link to Nougat for L09 here in this post
That thread has lot of important information about firmwares especially Nougat.
You can also find suitable firmware using Firmware Finder from playstore here is the link for that app
But like beachletter explained in previous post, you have to be vary about the stable updates currently available for L09. Since people with NXT-L29 model are able to root easily, I suggested you that model. But I understand why you want to choose L09.
Hope this helps.
Cheers!
Sam
I want to get a new phone to replace my S6. The two main options I have honed in on are the Axon 7 64GB and the OnePlus 3T. Here are the strengths of each
Axon 7
Better screen (higher resolution)
Better warranty/support
Better speakers
SD card support
OnePlus 3T
Better processor
More RAM
Physical home button.
Thoughts? Those of you have one and wish you got the other?
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I want to get a new phone to replace my S6. The two main options I have honed in on are the Axon 7 64GB and the OnePlus 3T. Here are the strengths of each
Axon 7
Better screen (higher resolution)
Better warranty/support
Better speakers
SD card support
OnePlus 3T
Better processor
More RAM
Physical home button.
Thoughts? Those of you have one and wish you got the other?
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Honestly, processor and RAM doesn't make that much of a difference when they're this close.....Unless you're a gamer?
Other things to look at, that may make your decision.
Camera - OnePlus 3T wins
Audio - Axon 7 wins
How much space do you really need? My SD card died last week and I was all freaked out, but it all fit on my 64gb Axon 7 internal memory until my new card arrives.... If I had a bunch of movies to save, this would be a deal breaker. I even have 2100 songs and they only eat up about 7-8gb.
I'm an "audio" buff....So the choice was easy for me, and the camera is good enough on the Axon 7 that I can live with it and make it do what I need it to. Sometimes a little editing is needed.
Well this is my point of view, take it with a grain of salt.
ZTE:
- Better Screen (not reaaaaaally noticeable, yes it is better, but both are good enough so that you cant tell each other apart). Real difference might be appreciated with QHD wallpapers, but not much else.
- Better Speakers, and overall sound quality. This has to be the largest difference. Watching videos in the Axon vs the OP3 is like going from dial up to broadband. Plus, the Axon drives higher impedance headphones without much of a hassle.
- Better in call quality. This is a direct consequence of having better audio.
- SD Card Support. I thought I wouldn't need it too much but actually, it is a nice thing to have.
OP3:
- The fact that the screen itself is lower res, means lower battery consumption. Since I read an article from AnandTech, we might be talking maybe up to 30% less usage from the screen + cpu/gpu load.
- The camera has to be better, you don't have to work yourself out to get an awesome picture. Though, if you get it right on the ZTE you can absolutely get beautiful pictures.
- Better processor? Really? Lets suppose you actually need the difference in clocks, where the OP3 would make a difference, how long can you really keep that clock up? Maaaybe 5 minutes before hitting thermal limits where the better cpu just doesn't mean anything anymore.
- Physical button. Well this is really up to you, I prefer the fingerprint scanner on the back.
- Alert Slider. Really an advantage for the OP3, really like this feature, and if it ever becomes configurable, that would be awesome.
-6GB of RAM?? Well, I have 4GB on my Axon and never has an app crashed on me, and I was suprised to find myself having 20+ apps open without the phone even noticing and instantly switching between them with all of them loaded in RAM. So this one is up to you, but I wouldn't mind. It does make the OP3 more futureproof if anything...
- Software> the OP3s software is hands down better than the Axons and that is the best that the OP3 can pull over the Axon, by far.
About support, well I don't know how well any of them do with support so i will not comment on this.
My conclusion is then: should you care about media consumption, buy the Axon, don't even think about it. If what you want/need the best performance around and like having the best software and dev help, then get the OP3. I wouldn't look on hardware differences too much.
Not a gamer in the slightest. I will occasionally take toddler snapshots with the camera when my panny is not handy.
This is more an overall performance and form comparison.
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Axon 7 has Daydream support, also.
Now that Axon 7 is getting proper sound support on LOS/LOS based roms, it is Axon 7 hands down.
A7 has better cellular connectivity support. Has more bands than the OP3/T do.
How prevalent is this Google Play bug I am seeing on the Axon 7?
I've had three OP phones and never buying them again. All above aside, they have terrible touch screen lag which makes them unusable. Axon is also cheaper.
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I have both...Also mate 9..Just bought each over this last month...I am coming from my still loved note 5..
First off...Don't think too much into 2k unless vr is your factor. I did too. But after experiencing these latest devices running 1080 with 5.5 inch to 5.9 I cannot believe I said all I did in the past...The one plus 3t is just as sharp for regular use and have not tried any VR on any device...The Axon 7 is great as well...Not as speedy as the latter but still a steal for the price...To be honest the one plus 3t and Axon 7 are both comparable however the camera is a bit better FOR ME so far on One plus but I have to say that 20mp isn't bad at all...The 1440 on the Axon isn't that noticable to me either. Really. The one plus screen looks slightly better to me I guess because of the brightness and calibration. Still miniscule ...Both perform crazy fast for their price but one plus and mate 9 are definitely smoother for me...Just flip a coin. You can't go wrong...I just could not make up my mind so I bought them all...If I have to sell one I will. But for now they are all nice and safe clean and ready for my reviews...Sort of babbling here really but if you have any specific questions I can totally help. I do not keep notifications on so I'll have to check for reply manually. I haven't been on in a year here ...But I'll be checking back for your comments. Or Inbox
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You can supposedly get Google assistant on Axon 7 which won't happen on op3t
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crcostel said:
I want to get a new phone to replace my S6. The two main options I have honed in on are the Axon 7 64GB and the OnePlus 3T. Here are the strengths of each
Axon 7
Better screen (higher resolution)
Better warranty/support
Better speakers
SD card support
OnePlus 3T
Better processor
More RAM
Physical home button.
Thoughts? Those of you have one and wish you got the other?
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Not a gamer in the slightest. I will occasionally take toddler snapshots with the camera when my panny is not handy.
This is more an overall performance and form comparison.
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How prevalent is this Google Play bug I am seeing on the Axon 7?
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I can say I was on the same boat as you in January, when I bought my first Axon 7 and I was amazed with the device. Even when I loved it, I decided to get a Mate 9 because I heard it was a great device. I used the Mate 9 for a couple of weeks and sold it and got the Axon 7 again, I couldn't stand the media consumption in the Mate 9, because of the screen and the sound. The Mate 9 has an amazing display, but I'm used to QHD since many years ago, and somehow I could notice the difference in certain situations. About the sound, Axon 7 is clearly the winner here. The reason I changed the Axon 7 was the camera, because was average and everybody claimed that Mate 9 had a super camera. Truth is, that I didn't see too much difference between the 2 in picture quality, so better go back with the Axon 7.
Regarding the comparison, 821 is less than 10% better than 820, so it makes no difference in real world usage. RAM neither, because most of the time I have 2GB free on the Axon 7, so why should I want 2GB more?, that is only pure marketing and never an app would require so much RAM.
In my opinion, the physical home button is a waste of space, because it only makes the device bigger with no need. I always have hated capacitive buttons, but what I love about the Axon 7 is that even with capacitive buttons, the aspect ratio is great. Is smaller than some of the 5.5" devices I have used before that rely only on software buttons.
The OP3T has a worse display, both resolution and quality, and the people who say that is because of the battery, is lying or they don't know much about technology. Display technology has advanced so much in these years, and even when this statement was true in the beginning, now the QHD screens out there have similar power consumptions. Also to point that the screen on the Axon 7 is exactly the same of the Galaxy S7 Edge, so I can say is really nice to have a display like this one.
As for the OP3T, is true that is has slightly better performance, camera and battery, but is no match for the Axon 7 regarding media consumption (sound, display, storage, etc.) and the difference is huge between the 2.
As someone suggested you, if you aim to media consumption, there is no better device than this one. If you are kind of a ROM addict or you are deep into development, get the OP3T.
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P.D.: All the bugs and problems the Axon 7 (including Play Store) are fixed now with the update that came a few days ago, and I can confirm it.
P.D.2: Have you consider to wait for the OnePlus 5?
crcostel said:
Not a gamer in the slightest. I will occasionally take toddler snapshots with the camera when my panny is not handy.
This is more an overall performance and form comparison.
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If performance is your concern then look no further and buy the OP3, unless, since you are an XDA member, know a thing or two about tinkering with ROMs and flashing your phone. In that case then its an Audio vs Camera situation...
In had the oneplus 3 and returned it within 2days. Axon 7 has been the better phone for me.
It's really a matter of opinion. You won't find that much difference in the specs.
Battery - The charging speed is the same (see this), and this), battery is the same (slightly better on the a7). I use the phone a lot and I'm very happy with the battery capacity.
Screen is nearly the same (A7: 2K AMOLED, OP3: 1080p Super AMOLED).
Processor - You won't notice the difference. Seriously, the A7 has great speed.
Camera - The A7's camera is excellent in day light. Not in day light? Not so much. It's fine. But in day light you can take amazing pictures with it (which show great on the screen ). There are a bunch of camera samples online from each phone (and maybe even a camera comparison), so check that out.
You might also want to check some other stuff out like durability, speed, etc. In videos. But do keep in mind that in speeds as high as flagships phone you probably won't notice the difference.
RAM - The 4GB RAM on the A7 is enough for me. I don't see how anyone would need 6GM RAM on a smartphone. (I've also heard that OP3 doesn't use all it's RAM, I wonder if that's fixed already).
The fingerprint scanner on the back is surprisingly comfortable and it's really a matter of getting used to it. I got used to it very quickly and it's instinctive to me.
The stock ROM isn't that great but it could be replaced by unlocking the bootloader so I personally wouldn't take that into account here. Plus the A7 started getting a lot of attention from ROM makers and has LOS official support and other ROMs available.
Also the A7 is cheaper.
The audio is also excellent.
Design is also great, the phone is very pretty (suck it LG G6 )
I enjoy my phone greatly.
Axon 7 +'s
audio
warranty
OnePlus 3T
pretty wood cases
It looks like the stock ROM is probably better (built-in dark theme and accent color adjustment. Well executed)
Processor matters. Maybe not in speed but the additional features Qualcomm rolls up in the chipset can... as long as the manufacturer implements them.
For me, it came down to warranty and particularly the Dash charging is proprietary. I'd rather not buy up a bunch of chargers which charge fast only on their phones. Yes, Quick Charge 3.0 is proprietary to Qualcomm in the sense that USB-C PD is the real standard - but it's less proprietary.
My next phone must have the most standard charging available. I'm tired of this proprietary charging junk. Dicking with finding the right power adapter is annoying and just adds up in $30 and $40 costs if I want car adapters and additional AC adapters which support whatever standard.
Just think of the extra $60 you spent on extra Quick/Fast chargers for the office & car which will be obsolete on your next phone. Hidden costs are crap.
I have it on mine. Just pressed home button held it and there it is. 7.0 stock.
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Thanks everyone - going to BestBuy tomorrow to get a feel for the ergonomics and then will buy from BH if it passes. Currently have VZW so I'll try to get it going and if not, off to ATT
Also worth noting that the Axon 7 can be had for almost 40% less than the equivalent 3T, which seems almost too good to pass up for an incremental upgrade.
Also, from what I understand, it only fully supports AT&T and T-Mobile in states so do beware.
With axon 7 getting proper sound on LOS and an SD card for me it's a no brainer....I like to take my movies with me when I travel so sticking everything on the 256gb SanDisk is awesome....I will never but a phone with no microSD...I don't even wanna count how many times I wiped internal storage when I was resetting for a new Roman install....Having my TWRP backups on external storage was literAlly a life saver for me personally
So I found my Honor 8 in the drawer this morning and for fun I tried booting it up. So imagine my suprise when my Kirin 950 just about blasted through every freaking app I had.
How can this be
I know the S8 has some layers of software on top of Android but so does Honor's EMUI. Apps and webpages loads faster on the Kirin than the Exynos...
Did I pay 3-400$ just for the bigger screen?
Anyone have any opinions?
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So imagine my suprise when my Kirin 950 just about blasted through every freaking app I had.
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If "blasting through every freaking app you have" is what you typically use your phone for save some money and sell your S8 and use the Huawei phone. I'm guessing most people spend their time in a couple of apps for some duration. I'd find it hard to believe there's a noticeable difference between contemporary phones in those scenarios. That's where things like design, the display, and other features set phones apart. Buy what makes you happy.
How does it handle Dolphin emulator and ppsspp? ?
Huawei has better optimised software
For real , I feel my wife honor 8 more smooth than my s8
I have both and used both for at least a few weeks. I'd say it really shows how smart phone is gradually saturating in features and hardware vs need.
The honor 8 was a replacement for my previous gone-with-the-river phone (zuk Z2, another great one in SOC wise, super cheap but lacks good build and good ROM support), I did not expect much and it's surprisingly good in general, especially considering the price (32GB, sub $300 typically, $240-260 a few times). It's well built, and while no spec shines, it really lacks nothing IMO. Maybe a multi function finger print sensor button will be a good additional feature.
When comparing to the S8, I don't feel much difference in real experience, including smoothness. S8 got a better camera and gorgeous design/screen, and that's about it for me. For mere performance, S8 loads game/graphics faster. Actually I feel the interfaces/function layouts are kinds of similar to each other, and different from Zuk's ZUI and native android. The overall futuristic design is about the only true reason for me to keep the S8, at a much higher price.
I had an Honor 8 and prefer my S8+ in every aspect, it plays games better at a much higher resolution which makes them look much better. It has Gear VR which if you have not used the new one with the controller is actually awesome, the camera is a lot better despite Huwei's claims and whats on paper, in the real world the camera is much much better and faster.
I've owned previously and mate 9 with more powerfull hardware than honor 8, and maybe mate 9 can be fast in some task than the s8, but I won't go back to mate 9, like someone said before there is a very little difference in nowadays phones, and its almost impossible to feel the difference in day use.. So the choice reduces to individual preferences and small details, for example maybe Oneplus 3t can be faster and better optimized than s8, but I love the screen ratio on s8 and now even I like very much Samsung UX.
neeviour said:
I have both and used both for at least a few weeks. I'd say it really shows how smart phone is gradually saturating in features and hardware vs need.
The honor 8 was a replacement for my previous gone-with-the-river phone (zuk Z2, another great one in SOC wise, super cheap but lacks good build and good ROM support), I did not expect much and it's surprisingly good in general, especially considering the price (32GB, sub $300 typically, $240-260 a few times). It's well built, and while no spec shines, it really lacks nothing IMO. Maybe a multi function finger print sensor button will be a good additional feature.
When comparing to the S8, I don't feel much difference in real experience, including smoothness. S8 got a better camera and gorgeous design/screen, and that's about it for me. For mere performance, S8 loads game/graphics faster. Actually I feel the interfaces/function layouts are kinds of similar to each other, and different from Zuk's ZUI and native android. The overall futuristic design is about the only true reason for me to keep the S8, at a much higher price.
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Honor 8 has built in mult function fingerprint sensor. You can turn on the feature in settings and even program it to do what you want right out the box.
You can even swipe thru the photos in the gallery..if you still have the Honor 8 play with this feature...it's definitely a big reason to have the phone!
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Honor 8 has built in mult function fingerprint sensor. You can turn on the feature in settings and even program it to do what you want right out the box.
You can even swipe thru the photos in the gallery..if you still have the Honor 8 play with this feature...it's definitely a big reason to have the phone!
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yes, Honor 8 finger print sensor has some gesture support
by saying "multi function finger print sensor", I meant such as the one on the Zuk Z2, which can replace the navigation bar (back/home/menu keys). That saves some screen space and makes full screen display intact.
I have an Xiaomi Mi A1 with custom kernel and Lineage 15.1 with the latest nightly and it outperforms my S8 in so many ways. Samsungs bloat totally bottlenecks their hardware. There should be an Android One version.
With the mate 10 on the horizon, will you stick with Huawei or a different brand. Could you get a similar spec with a budget Chinese phone like Xiaomi?
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Phablet category will be dead soon since all including mate 10 will go over too 18:9 aspect ratio which means a lot smaller screen area...
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Phablet category will be dead soon since all including mate 10 will go over too 18:9 aspect ratio which means a lot smaller screen area...
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We are seeing some big players (Samsung, LG, Google) experimenting with 18:9 (2:1) but it will be down to the consumer i guess if these phones are as popular as previous other aspect ratio models.
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First of, I bought my mate 8 less than a year ago, and have no intention of changing it before 2/3 years. It would be a poor choice of a phone if I felt the need to change it every year.
But if by accident I HAD to change it, I think I would look toward the note note 8 rather than than the mate 10. The plus being stylus and waterproof. And since none of those are things are really must-have, I would most probably look for a cheaper large screen phone. Maybe another used mate 8 or mate 7. Or whatever good occasion I can find.
I mean, I can't really see what the mate 10 would do better.
Battery life ? Haven't seen any real gain for years.
Photo quality ? Some progress, but the mate 8 is more than enough for me.
Raw power ? I don't use it much. Mate 8 has more than enough for years to come.
VR ? It's still not good on a smartphone, mate 8 or otherwise..
What I'm trying ot say is that I'm satisfied by my mate 8. But the question is more "are recent phones bringing anything worth the change ?"
For a few years now, phones makers have been strugling to bring anything new of value to the table. Raw power and screen quality have reached a level where they are already beyond what you need for the use of a smartphone. There has been nothing new in battery for years. Photo quality can still get better, with better low light and/or zoom. But it's far from being enough to motivate a change. And soldity/reliability has been progressing very slowly.
Today, I think I could have a Mate 7 or a mate 10 and barely see the difference in everyday use. Both phone would be smooth, have pretty much the same software (with a few tweaks for the mate 7) same battery life, pretty much same internet speed ... one would take slightly better photo, and that's it.
Both mare 8 and 9 I one of the phones that have aged best. Pocketnow did a video about the 9 recently.
Mate 8 does not feel obsolete at all despite being from 2015
6 inch yes... mate/Huawei no..
nice thread and perfect timing id say, kudos to rhe OP!
after the mate 8 (which i will most likely keep for another year at least, especially since there is nothing interesting on the market atm or in the near future, except maybe the xiaomi mi mix 2), i will not be able to go back to anything smaller than 6 inches. it is just so damn nice to have so much screen real estate! and ive gotten used to the size, everything smaller seems tiny in comparison, whereas my mate 8 just seems "normal" in size
i agree with above posters concerning the 2:1 screen ratio that is becoming more popular lately: the diagonal numbers seem to get larger (i.e. S8+ at 6.2 inches) but the actual screen area is actually identical to the mate 8 with 0.2 inches LESS diagonal screen size! so thats something to keep an eye out for when buying a new phone these days.
looking at the bezels of the mate 8 id say a phone with a 16:9 screen of around 6.4-6.5 inches and sporting razorthin bezels on all four sides would be absolutely perfect in screen/overall size and -to-body-ratio
in retrospect, my mate 8 experience so far (about 17 months ownership) has been quite pleasant! its a great phone, excellent battery life (10h sot on average with a range of 8-12h depending on usage intensity), super solid built (feels like a tank but still very graceful and sexy), awesome screen and lots of real estate on it and last, but not least, fluid stable software.
the only real gripe i have with it is that we are dependant on basically one or two major devs, namely kangvip and hrt team, thats it. otherwise we will be EOL once huawei stops publishing firmware upgrades.
nevertheless, i will keep an eye out for the mate 10 and see what it brings to the table
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YOU BET
In 2010, I started with the Dell Streak 5. Oh the looks I got from people "THAT is your phone?" "What do you need
a screen THAT big". This was in the day that 3.5" was the NORMAL size or a smartphone.
Then, I went with the Samsung Galaxy Note1, then the Mate2, and now the Mate8.
I PREFER the larger screen, mostly because my eyesight isn't what it once was, and, because the larger screen
phones usually have larger batteries.
If they make one with smaller bezels, but not 100% bezel-less, with a 4,000mAH or larger battery, that is about or
a little thicker than the Mate2/8, I'll get one.
My mate 8 still works fine.
p51d007 said:
In 2010, I started with the Dell Streak 5. Oh the looks I got from people "THAT is your phone?" "What do you need
a screen THAT big". This was in the day that 3.5" was the NORMAL size or a smartphone.
Then, I went with the Samsung Galaxy Note1, then the Mate2, and now the Mate8.
I PREFER the larger screen, mostly because my eyesight isn't what it once was, and, because the larger screen
phones usually have larger batteries.
If they make one with smaller bezels, but not 100% bezel-less, with a 4,000mAH or larger battery, that is about or
a little thicker than the Mate2/8, I'll get one.
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haha so true! i still remember when the streak came out, it looked HUGE to me nowadays its on the lower half of screen sizes, hahaha. how times change
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First of, I bought my mate 8 less than a year ago, and have no intention of changing it before 2/3 years. It would be a poor choice of a phone if I felt the need to change it every year.
But if by accident I HAD to change it, I think I would look toward the note note 8 rather than than the mate 10. The plus being stylus and waterproof. And since none of those are things are really must-have, I would most probably look for a cheaper large screen phone. Maybe another used mate 8 or mate 7. Or whatever good occasion I can find.
I mean, I can't really see what the mate 10 would do better.
Battery life ? Haven't seen any real gain for years.
Photo quality ? Some progress, but the mate 8 is more than enough for me.
Raw power ? I don't use it much. Mate 8 has more than enough for years to come.
VR ? It's still not good on a smartphone, mate 8 or otherwise..
What I'm trying ot say is that I'm satisfied by my mate 8. But the question is more "are recent phones bringing anything worth the change ?"
For a few years now, phones makers have been strugling to bring anything new of value to the table. Raw power and screen quality have reached a level where they are already beyond what you need for the use of a smartphone. There has been nothing new in battery for years. Photo quality can still get better, with better low light and/or zoom. But it's far from being enough to motivate a change. And soldity/reliability has been progressing very slowly.
Today, I think I could have a Mate 7 or a mate 10 and barely see the difference in everyday use. Both phone would be smooth, have pretty much the same software (with a few tweaks for the mate 7) same battery life, pretty much same internet speed ... one would take slightly better photo, and that's it.
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Totally agree with this
vervester said:
With the mate 10 on the horizon, will you stick with Huawei or a different brand. Could you get a similar spec with a budget Chinese phone like Xiaomi?
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i don't stick huawei.
i'll buy xiaomi if they release gooe one.
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i don't stick huawei.
i'll buy xiaomi if they release gooe one.
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yeah im curious about their upcoming mi mix 2, should be interesting
Speculations about Mate 10.
Kirin 970 chipset, 18:9 6-inch 2160x1080px screen, 3D sensing dual cameras.
http://www.gsmarena.com/due_in_the_...will_have_an_edgetoedge_screen-news-26022.php
6"? Yes.
Huawei? No. The build and quality are fantastic. Though, EMUI still needs a lot of bug fixes.
I didn't realize people cared (so much) about aspect ratio over hardware and software.
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anwedr said:
6"? Yes.
Huawei? No. The build and quality are fantastic. Though, EMUI still needs a lot of bug fixes.
I didn't realize people cared (so much) about aspect ratio over hardware and software.
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we dont i just said its important to consider that with 18:9 screens we actually get less screen area than with 16:9 screens at identical inches.
I think the strategy behind 9:18 is that its different to what the last generation of phones have, it will look a bit different, so seem attractive. We have had super high res screens before for a while (LG G3 etc) but 9:18 is something new. Thing is we keep falling for it :-/
in a perfect world id like something with a similar sized screen to the mate 8, significantly lighter (feels a bit of a tank in the hand if I'm honest) excellent battery life ( 16 SOT) and a camera that could really produce stunning shots in all conditions. Ok, maybe a few years away with all that but the upgrades we now have are pretty marginal and I think the mobile phone companies are clutching at straws in terms of upgrade possibilities with todays technology.
Like most I'm in no rush to upgrade the Mate 8, if rumor is to be believed we will see Android O at some point but I wont hold my breath, having said that, Battery life has took a major hit since upgrading from marshmallow to Nougat.
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I think the strategy behind 9:18 is that its different to what the last generation of phones have, it will look a bit different, so seem attractive. We have had super high res screens before for a while (LG G3 etc) but 9:18 is something new. Thing is we keep falling for it :-/
in a perfect world id like something with a similar sized screen to the mate 8, significantly lighter (feels a bit of a tank in the hand if I'm honest) excellent battery life ( 16 SOT) and a camera that could really produce stunning shots in all conditions. Ok, maybe a few years away with all that but the upgrades we now have are pretty marginal and I think the mobile phone companies are clutching at straws in terms of upgrade possibilities with todays technology.
Like most I'm in no rush to upgrade the Mate 8, if rumor is to be believed we will see Android O at some point but I wont hold my breath, having said that, Battery life has took a major hit since upgrading from marshmallow to Nougat.
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mmm yes and no. actually, its our own (the consumer`s) fault: samsung, LG and others did their market research including consumer questioning and the result was this: consumer wants bigger screens but without the hassle of a phone too wide to hold in one hand! solution? easy: make the screens longer but stick to the same width! thus we get 18:9 screens, voila
nice benefit for the manufacturers / for marketing: diagonal size in inches increases by a LOT (i.e. friggin 6.2 inches diagonal on S8+) but screen real estate doesnt increase as much as with 16:9 screens! (again: mate 8 with 6.0 inch screen has same display area as S8+ with "bigger" 6.2 inch screen )
jbmc83 said:
mmm yes and no. actually, its our own (the consumer`s) fault: samsung, LG and others did their market research including consumer questioning and the result was this: consumer wants bigger screens but without the hassle of a phone too wide to hold in one hand! solution? easy: make the screens longer but stick to the same width! thus we get 18:9 screens, viola
nice benefit: diagonal size in inches increases by a LOT (i.e. friggin 6.2 inches diagonal on S8+) but screen real estate doesnt increase as much as with 16:9 screens! (again: mate 8 with 6.0 inch screen has same display area as S8+ with "bigger" 6.2 inch screen )
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That's a fair comment, and I can see why a narrower phone with similar screen size would appeal to some. Also I guess it's a bit more pocketable. Personally tho I like 16:9 but guess I wouldn't rule out something slightly easier in the pocket.
Xiaomi Chiron anyone?
https://www.androidheadlines.com/2017/07/rumor-xiaomi-chiron-flagship-sport-6-inch-189-screen.html
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anwedr said:
6"? Yes.
Huawei? No. The build and quality are fantastic. Though, EMUI still needs a lot of bug fixes.
I didn't realize people cared (so much) about aspect ratio over hardware and software.
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18:9 is the new cancer that we have to live with.. People are stupid they think 6 inches with 18:9 is bigger then on 16:9 for instance..
screeb area is actually less with the same inch size on 18:9.
People still when talking about phone sizes mostly talk about "inches" but you need to know the aspect ratio now also..
Hey everyone how you doing?
Right now I am a Note 9 user and I'm really happy with the front facing camera but recently my screen has partially broke and replacing the screen is kinda expensive ?
So right now I'm thinking of upgrading but I'm torn between which phone to get. Right now I'm opting for the OnePlus 8 Pro but I'm thinking maybe I should wait for the OnePlus 8t or maybe I should go for a Pixel 5, not sure....
I'm looking for something that had a great front facing camera and I'm not sure if the OnePlus 8 Pro is a good choice
Personally I can't fault the 8 pro, the 8T besides maybe a bigger battery and potentially a marginally quicker CPU 865+
There will be little difference..
The front facing camera is brilliant, all cameras on the 8 pro are.
If you're coming from an EU note then you'll have the exynos version anyway, in which case it'll be way behind the 8 pro in more ways than one..
Cameras being the thin end of the wedge.. Simply just s better phone all around.
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Personally I can't fault the 8 pro, the 8T besides maybe a bigger battery and potentially a marginally quicker CPU 865+
There will be little difference..
The front facing camera is brilliant, all cameras on the 8 pro are.
If you're coming from an EU note then you'll have the exynos version anyway, in which case it'll be way behind the 8 pro in more ways than one..
Cameras being the thin end of the wedge.. Simply just s better phone all around.
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Wow thank you! Well yeah coming from the exynos it's a world's difference in the software and hardware department!
The OnePlus 8t though will come with the 865 regular one and not the plus version and the CEO tweeted that if we are looking for "pro features" we should get the OnePlus 8 Pro and not the T which is kinda.confusing and worrying me.
I'll see when It comes out and hopefully I can make a decision but the pixel 5 I don't think will be a option just because the Snapdragon 765g has the same amount of power as the Snapdragon 845 or the same as the note 9 so I feel kinda bumbed and I don't think I can call that an upgrade
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Wow thank you! Well yeah coming from the exynos it's a world's difference in the software and hardware department!
The OnePlus 8t though will come with the 865 regular one and not the plus version and the CEO tweeted that if we are looking for "pro features" we should get the OnePlus 8 Pro and not the T which is kinda.confusing and worrying me.
I'll see when It comes out and hopefully I can make a decision but the pixel 5 I don't think will be a option just because the Snapdragon 765g has the same amount of power as the Snapdragon 845 or the same as the note 9 so I feel kinda bumbed and I don't think I can call that an upgrade
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Pixel 5 will have its plus points for sure. The camera will be superb but the battery will more than likely be teeny weeny as if always is.
Definitely go for the pro, I've got the glacial green, it's a very pretty phone, not wide, just long..but not too long..
Waterfall edges take some getting used to but after a bit it's second nature,.the off screen gestures I really couldn't live without.
Plus the development scene is brilliant and reversible which is always nice.
Didn't know that the 865+ wasn't going to be used, but in all fairness the 865 is insane, I run s lot of emulators and this thing outpaces my new Nvidia shield tv (box not stick) battery I get around 8-10 hours.
765 I'd imagine having a slower GPU which would affect gaming, not sure by hour much though.
So I guess this is making things easier for me to choose
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So I guess this is making things easier for me to choose
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Lol it'll be better in some way shape or form..
Always make you jealous.