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After trying a whole bunch of methods, here is the best way I've found to free up internal storage by moving apps to an external drive.
Complete step-by-step Guide with screenshots
tl;dr version:
1. Mount the drive with StickMount
2. Move the files and "trick" the Fire TV with FolderMount
does this work with XBMC?
those thumbnails are filling up the internal memory really fast
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jadflat said:
does this work with XBMC?
those thumbnails are filling up the internal memory really fast
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Yes, you can move XBMC's data with this method. But since XBMC is so customizable, modifying advancedsettings.xml like JJ-KwiK suggests is a better option.
awesome, thank you!
Sweet! Thanks for the guide.
So this guide will let you run apps from an external?? Sweet i need to buy a new one lol.. Thanks
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fireTVnews.com said:
Yes, you can move XBMC's data with this method. But since XBMC is so customizable, modifying advancedsettings.xml like JJ-KwiK suggests is a better option.
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xbmc run well from external drive
Hi Guys
Just need some input w.r.t. flash drives and external drives.
What is the biggest size flash drive or external drive we can use on the AFTV?
Fat32 or NTFS file system?
Do you need a powered multi usb device to make the external drive work?
Must you use a powered external drive to make it work in the fire tv?
Hope someone can clear it up.
I connected a non powered multi usb device on the fire tv. the Rii keyboard with bluetooth usb and my 4gb flash both worked on it, but my 1.5TB 2.5" does not want to pick it up.
Stevie G said:
Hi Guys
Just need some input w.r.t. flash drives and external drives.
What is the biggest size flash drive or external drive we can use on the AFTV?
Fat32 or NTFS file system?
Do you need a powered multi usb device to make the external drive work?
Must you use a powered external drive to make it work in the fire tv?
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I'm using a 32GB USB Flash Drive and it works. It's NTFS. Spinning disk must be powered externally for both 2.5" or 3.5".
External SSD might work unpowered....I don't have a drive to test this theory.
roligov said:
I'm using a 32GB USB Flash Drive and it works. It's NTFS. Spinning disk must be powered externally for both 2.5" or 3.5".
External SSD might work unpowered....I don't have a drive to test this theory.
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I have two Toshiba 5400 RPM Canvio that are unpowered 2.5 and work fine, and a Seagate 500MB 2.5 in a cheapie external USB case that works fine as well.
Yeah I don't understand I've just found my Verbatim USB 3 external 2.5" works but my transcend external 2.5" doesn't. Both are the same size and both are NTFS. I checked and they both work on my PC. Guess it's luck of the draw for 2.5". I can't get an external 3.5" to work...Anyone else?
roligov said:
Yeah I don't understand I've just found my Verbatim USB 3 external 2.5" works but my transcend external 2.5" doesn't. Both are the same size and both are NTFS. I checked and they both work on my PC. Guess it's luck of the draw for 2.5". I can't get an external 3.5" to work...Anyone else?
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3.5 inch should be 12V so they would need an external power supply. As far as not seeing a powered 3.5 it could be one of a hundred different issues.
roligov said:
Yeah I don't understand I've just found my Verbatim USB 3 external 2.5" works but my transcend external 2.5" doesn't. Both are the same size and both are NTFS. I checked and they both work on my PC. Guess it's luck of the draw for 2.5". I can't get an external 3.5" to work...Anyone else?
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My 2TB 3.5" external works with a 12v power.
External Harddrive 3TB, 3.5" formatted as NTFS works fine for me.
Different sorts of USB stick's up to 32MB formatted as fat32 or NTFS gave me no trouble either.
Images gone after moving Thumbernails to USB stick
Hello,
I 'moved' the Thumbernails folder, using the advancedsettings.xml method. After a new scan run I see all the movie-descriptions, but I do no longer, see any images. They are just not shown..
Any idea, whats going wrong ? I'm really new to XBMC
edit:
After the scan, I deleted the whole content in Andtroid/.../userdata/Thumbernails. The folder itself is still there.
(6GB usb stick/NTFS)
edit2: solution found!
xbmc: System->File Manager->Profile directory->Database delete the Textures13.db and restart the xbmc.
All thumbnails are displayed again!
I tried this method with NFSMW which is approx 4gb after updating and it copied everything over the my usb BUT when i mount it the game says my usb storage device has no room for an update -_- (even though the directory copied is the most up to date version and capacity is 16gb) also, this method does nothing to free up space on the FTV. I had to go in manually to my android/data folder and remove the directory to free up space myself. Might want to add that to the description.
alwaysbless said:
...also, this method does nothing to free up space on the FTV. I had to go in manually to my android/data folder and remove the directory to free up space myself. Might want to add that to the description.
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You are mistaken or did something wrong. FolderMount moves the files AND deletes the originals. If the files are set as "mounted" in FolderMount, it will appear as if they are still on the Fire TV. Meaning, if you "ls" the original directory in /sdcard/, you will see all the original files. However, the files are not actually on the Fire TV. To verify this for yourself, go to Settings > About to see your available free space before and after following my directions. You will see your free space increase.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2709637
this url states that USB harddrive is not possible.
then how are you guys making it possible ?
must the fire tv be rooted ? before this feature is possible.
i think this is an important topic. as the device is now rooted, alot users would download apps, and they would need the space.
I would like to use USB harddrive with my XBMC.
please advice.
Thanks a lot.
nero16 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2709637
this url states that USB harddrive is not possible.
then how are you guys making it possible ?
must the fire tv be rooted ? before this feature is possible.
i think this is an important topic. as the device is now rooted, alot users would download apps, and they would need the space.
I would like to use USB harddrive with my XBMC.
please advice.
Thanks a lot.
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That link was before we had root.
With root and StickMount both USB drives and Thumbdrives work great
So I just ordered my shield, remote, and micro sd. I'm really curious as to if I made a good combination of hardware. I picked up the 16gb version, nvidia remote, and the new fastest sandisk Mico sd. Here's my questions.
-I got the brand new sandisk uhs-ii u3 micro sd, I know the bus speed for micro SD on the shield is only rated uhs-1. Can I format it as adoptable storage using the USB 3.0 adapter so I can get the high speed the card is rated for or will I have to use the micro SD slot for adoptable storage and have my card speed throttled to the slower r/w bus speed. If this is the case should I have opted for a uhs-1 card for half the price
-I also have a USB 3.0 4TB external hard drive full of movies that I currently plug into my LG TV. It is formatted NTFS, will I be able to plug it into my shield and use it as my new media player since the one on my TV is kinda clunky. Can I read and write to NTFS on my shield?
- I also have an Samsung 840pro 250GB SSD in a USB 3.0 enclosure which is formatted exfat. Could this drive be used as adoptable storage via USB 3.0? Pretty much the same as question 1. Can adoptable storage be configured threw USB instead of micro SD, if this is the case do I really need the Micro SD card?
- Will a USB 3.0 hub work on the shield so I can plug in a dongle for a wireless keyboard, my 4TB drive, my SSD, and Micro SD in 3.0 adapter?
- Are the gaming controllers and remote Bluetooth or do they also require a USB receiver.
- Will rooting and installation of custom recovery and rom enable some of the features above that can't be achieved stock?
My needs for the device will be for gaming and playing my local video files and some kodi, so I would like enough storage to install many games. All of my large video files will be stored on my 4TB external. I was hoping to have all my games installed on device threw adoptable storage but would like to get the high speed from my SD card to run games
All answers and suggestions welcomed.
Should I have just opted for the 500GB pro shield?
Here's what I ordered
-also can I use a Xbox or Dualshock 4 controller instead of the included Nvidia one?
AndroiderM said:
So I just ordered my shield, remote, and micro sd. I'm really curious as to if I made a good combination of hardware. I picked up the 16gb version, nvidia remote, and the new fastest sandisk Mico sd. Here's my questions.
-I got the brand new sandisk uhs-ii u3 micro sd, I know the bus speed for micro SD on the shield is only rated uhs-1. Can I format it as adoptable storage using the USB 3.0 adapter so I can get the high speed the card is rated for or will I have to use the micro SD slot for adoptable storage and have my card speed throttled to the slower r/w bus speed. If this is the case should I have opted for a uhs-1 card for half the price
-I also have a USB 3.0 4TB external hard drive full of movies that I currently plug into my LG TV. It is formatted NTFS, will I be able to plug it into my shield and use it as my new media player since the one on my TV is kinda clunky. Can I read and write to NTFS on my shield?
- I also have an Samsung 840pro 250GB SSD in a USB 3.0 enclosure which is formatted exfat. Could this drive be used as adoptable storage via USB 3.0? Pretty much the same as question 1. Can adoptable storage be configured threw USB instead of micro SD, if this is the case do I really need the Micro SD card?
- Will a USB 3.0 hub work on the shield so I can plug in a dongle for a wireless keyboard, my 4TB drive, my SSD, and Micro SD in 3.0 adapter?
- Are the gaming controllers and remote Bluetooth or do they also require a USB receiver.
- Will rooting and installation of custom recovery and rom enable some of the features above that can't be achieved stock?
My needs for the device will be for gaming and playing my local video files and some kodi, so I would like enough storage to install many games. All of my large video files will be stored on my 4TB external. I was hoping to have all my games installed on device threw adoptable storage but would like to get the high speed from my SD card to run games
All answers and suggestions welcomed.
Should I have just opted for the 500GB pro shield?
Here's what I ordered
-also can I use a Xbox or Dualshock 4 controller instead of the included Nvidia one?
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Can anyone help with some of these questions? I canceled the 16gb version and opted for the pro. I also canceled the sandisk micro sd. Can I use my Samsung ssd in usb 3.0 enclosure as adoptable storage? Would I benefit any from it as far as load times on games or should I just install to internal 500gb drive? What are the advantages of a custom rom over rooted stock rom. With stock rooted rom can I install all the same apps from Google play or will I have more options with a custom rom? Also I see custom roms of full android 6.0 without nvidia skin overlay. Are there any real benefits this and will I lose any functionality? Any help is appreciated, responses please! I get my shield Tuesday.
Look through the forum and most of your questions will be answered, also, should have stuck with the 16gb
AndroiderM said:
So I just ordered my shield, remote, and micro sd. I'm really curious as to if I made a good combination of hardware. I picked up the 16gb version, nvidia remote, and the new fastest sandisk Mico sd. Here's my questions.
-I got the brand new sandisk uhs-ii u3 micro sd, I know the bus speed for micro SD on the shield is only rated uhs-1. Can I format it as adoptable storage using the USB 3.0 adapter so I can get the high speed the card is rated for or will I have to use the micro SD slot for adoptable storage and have my card speed throttled to the slower r/w bus speed. If this is the case should I have opted for a uhs-1 card for half the price
-I also have a USB 3.0 4TB external hard drive full of movies that I currently plug into my LG TV. It is formatted NTFS, will I be able to plug it into my shield and use it as my new media player since the one on my TV is kinda clunky. Can I read and write to NTFS on my shield?
- I also have an Samsung 840pro 250GB SSD in a USB 3.0 enclosure which is formatted exfat. Could this drive be used as adoptable storage via USB 3.0? Pretty much the same as question 1. Can adoptable storage be configured threw USB instead of micro SD, if this is the case do I really need the Micro SD card?
- Will a USB 3.0 hub work on the shield so I can plug in a dongle for a wireless keyboard, my 4TB drive, my SSD, and Micro SD in 3.0 adapter?
- Are the gaming controllers and remote Bluetooth or do they also require a USB receiver.
- Will rooting and installation of custom recovery and rom enable some of the features above that can't be achieved stock?
My needs for the device will be for gaming and playing my local video files and some kodi, so I would like enough storage to install many games. All of my large video files will be stored on my 4TB external. I was hoping to have all my games installed on device threw adoptable storage but would like to get the high speed from my SD card to run games
All answers and suggestions welcomed.
Should I have just opted for the 500GB pro shield?
Here's what I ordered
-also can I use a Xbox or Dualshock 4 controller instead of the included Nvidia one?
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techjunky90 said:
Look through the forum and most of your questions will be answered, also, should have stuck with the 16gb
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Yeah ended up swapping for 16gb again and gonna use my Samsung ssd adopted. Found the answers to most questions just trying to decide rather to flash full android m or just root factory firmware.
Why not the 500gb with adoptable though. Isn't it a hybrid drive or just a regular 5400rpm hdd
AndroiderM said:
Why not the 500gb with adoptable though. Isn't it a hybrid drive or just a regular 5400rpm hdd
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I think the drive is a Hybrid. Pretty good chance that NVIDIA just used a USB 3.0 to SATA chip to service that 500gb drive. So I see no reason why you couldn't have just done it yourself.
How do you know the device did not come with the remote already? I purchased the 16gb and decided I did not want the remote so I didn't buy it, yet surprisingly it was in the retail box anyway.
As far as I know it's just the shield and the controller in the box according to the Amazon description and pictures. They do sell a bundle that has the remote included but I'm pretty confident mine has no remote. You cannot add, change, or remove storage internally on the shield nvidia made sure of that.
Weather to Pro or not to Pro, you can find some more opinions here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/shield-tv/help/buying-16gb-128gb-sdcard-500gb-t3399659
It all comes down to what you want to use the Shield for. If your installed games are not going to exceed those 16GB of flash (which of course will be less) I see no reason to get the Pro. Another valid point is the price difference: for the 100€ difference, I could get a 2-4 TB HDD.
On another note, I think you can find more answers around here: https://forums.geforce.com/default/board/159/shield-android-tv/
Yeah I was talking about getting a bigger usb 3.0 drive and using one of the included usb 3.0 ports. That's actually why they are there.
SkOrPn said:
Yeah I was talking about getting a bigger usb 3.0 drive and using one of the included usb 3.0 ports. That's actually why they are there.
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Gotcha I plan on it, I have a 256gb ssd in enclosure I want to use as adopted storage and a 4tb wd external for media storage
Personally speaking, for my family anyway I just add drives to the home server, or retire them for bigger ones. Building a Windows home server 5 years ago was the best thing I ever did for media consumption. Sadly I only have 3 SATA ports so I am limited to the amount of drives I can add
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One thing I forgot to mention: adding USB devices through a USB port will limit the speed and latency at which they are accessed.
OK how would you guys setup this is what I now have ordered and has already shipped so no going back. Idc if I use adoptable storage or not unless it benefits me. My usage will be downloading large torrent files and copying them to 4tb drive using shield as player, lots of large file gaming, kodi, Internet browsing and that's about it. Maybe hangouts
What I ordered:
Shield pro 500gb
Remote
Controllers
Bluetooth keyboard
Whatever I already have:
Samsung 256gb ssd
4tb wd my book
500gb hdd out of ps4
I wouldn't worry about adaptable storage. keep your external drives mounted as removable storage and have your apps and games all installed on your internal drive, keep the external drives just for media. I can't see you filling up 500gb with android apps and games any time soon.
Mr Creosote said:
I wouldn't worry about adaptable storage. keep your external drives mounted as removable storage and have your apps and games all installed on your internal drive, keep the external drives just for media. I can't see you filling up 500gb with android apps and games any time soon.
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Edit: I think I've got it figured out just gonna root stock rom and sideload whatever I can't get directly through playstore.
Hi
What will be the best option to expand storage for Nvidia Shield 16GB version? I am looking for the best read/write for games.
I know that micro SD should be UHS-1
So it's better to micro SD UHS 1 or USB 3.0?
What do you use?
Hoping to hear some input on this, I have a PNY class u1 in it right now and says speeds up to 85mps
https://www.amazon.com/PNY-Elite-Microsdxc-UHS-I-P-SDU128U185EL-GE/dp/B01G26R7LA/ref=dp_ob_title_ce
But I am only getting 50 on read and 18 or write.. Does not bring up the too slow notification .
Wanted people that have the 3.0 give their read/writes and compare. Wanna get the fastest I can
USB 3.0 SSD or mounted NAS drive will be faster than an SD card.
Michiel0912 said:
USB 3.0 SSD or mounted NAS drive will be faster than an SD card.
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Of course, I am hoping that members will give their read /write to compare
i know it can vary in speeds and want to get the best performance i can
Is it an option to make external HDD as internal storage like micro SD card?
bobinh2otown said:
Of course, I am hoping that members will give their read /write to compare
i know it can vary in speeds and want to get the best performance i can
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I will do some testing tomorrow.
NAS: Read 160Mbps - Write 150Mbps
USB 3.0 Agility 3 SSD : Read 185Mbps - Write 35Mbps
You can find more info on;
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...roid-tv/share-your-adopted-storage-speeds-/1/
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atomic339 said:
Is it an option to make external HDD as internal storage like micro SD card?
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Yes, it is possible.
If I use external pendrive or hard drive as expend my internal storage can I unplug it? Or is it better to don't do this?
What will happen with apps which I installed on external drive after unplug? And will I have any problems after plug in again?
You can not unplug it but you can always try and see what happens.
atomic339 said:
If I use external pendrive or hard drive as expend my internal storage can I unplug it? Or is it better to don't do this?
What will happen with apps which I installed on external drive after unplug? And will I have any problems after plug in again?
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Really.....
Michiel0912 said:
NAS: Read 160Mbps - Write 150Mbps
USB 3.0 Agility 3 SSD : Read 185Mbps - Write 35Mbps
You can find more info on;
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...roid-tv/share-your-adopted-storage-speeds-/1/
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Yes, it is possible.
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Did you get this 185 Mbps as adopted storage?
You have Agility 3 SSD SATA disc with external USB 3.0 cover, yes?
My SSD and NAS are not being used as adopted storage (not even possible with NAS folder).
Speed will be the same, I do not see why it would change. It was with an enclosure indeed.
All my files are on my NAS (with external backup) so all my appliances have access to it. I do not see the surplus in adopted storage, for me at least.
Michiel0912 said:
My SSD and NAS are not being used as adopted storage (not even possible with NAS folder).
Speed will be the same, I do not see why it would change. It was with an enclosure indeed.
All my files are on my NAS (with external backup) so all my appliances have access to it. I do not see the surplus in adopted storage, for me at least.
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Thanks for help
So do you use "move data to external disc" when you install games or apps?
Are they going good without any lags?
Internal storage is always faster. But what is lag? In real life I see no difference in playing movies, music, games etc from my NAS or internal storage.
I am using a LG V20 H918. It recognizes 1gb USB drive but not 1tb. Can anyone tell me the max size this phone will recognize? I have see phone specs that say it should handle up to 2tb of memory. Is this just for the SD card? Does this pertain to other external drives as well?
ddredd099 said:
I am using a LG V20 H918. It recognizes 1gb USB drive but not 1tb. Can anyone tell me the max size this phone will recognize? I have see phone specs that say it should handle up to 2tb of memory. Is this just for the SD card? Does this pertain to other external drives as well?
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Check the 1tb usb file sistem format, maybe you are using a format that's not compatible and the 1gb is using the right one
Also check that the drive is powering up. I have a 6tb drive that used AC adapter, the reads fine. But a 1tb that is USB powered, that apparently the phone cant supply enough power to get it to read.
I'm getting a 500gb SSD to replace (adapt) my 16gb internal storage. It's my understanding that the Shield encrypts the drive and so it can't be accessed otherwise. Meaning you pretty much just leave it hooked to the Shield all of the time. But what about trim and leveling?
Also I presume since it's USB-3 that performance isn't an issue and even a cheap ssd will work fine. Planning on using Adata su-800 but does it matter to have dram for example?
And for the second external drive I use just for media, does anyone know how much power the usb outlets put out? Am thinking about getting a 2.5" 5tb (mechanical & almost entirely for videos) and wondering if the usb power is enough to handle these type of drives. I think these drives require the better part of one amp to operate properly. Also can this second drive be removed safely without shutting down the Shield?
As-long as the second drive is not adopted it should be fine and dandy, just ensure that you eject it from the storage menu. I'll let someone else who knows more about adopted storage and USB power chime in for the rest
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