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Battery saving tips

I am gonna copy paste a thread I made for the t989 s2. It's all universal advice.
Yes... Root is required for a lot of this.
A nandroid backup first is a good idea.
Lots of this is common knowledge, but maybe not to some newer Android users.... So here it is.
About the only moto x specific thing I can add is freeze all that motorola stuff. Even the com.motorola stuff. If you really want active display.... Keep it, I did. I went a few days without touch less control and now it's back on. Gonna see if my battery gets effected. If you're not sure what some of this com. Motorola stuff is, you can google it.
So.....2 things I personally think work best to solve battery draining issues.
1. GSAM from playstore. It will tell you what apps are draining your battery...the top of the app list will be your main culprits. Then you need to find out why? You can check what apps are waking your phone and for how long. Gsam can tell you a lot if you play around with it and see what it can show you.
2. Cpuspy, also from play store. A simple yet easy way to see if your phone is deep sleeping. Deep sleep should pretty much be your total up time....minus screen on time. Roughly. If it isn't, or you have no deep sleep time.....back to gsam to find out why.
Once you narrow down the app culprits ....then you can search on why.
One last huge thing I personally have done for a long time now....reboot after you unplug from charger. Every single time. This used to be a fix for not getting deep sleep....and I think it still is a good practice. (This doesn't really seem necessary on my X)
That's it. 2 apps and you can post your battery draining questions with a lot more info than simply saying..."hey....my battery life sucks."
Cause 9.5 times out of 10.....it has nothing to do with the rom you are using. Usually anyway.
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A couple other things.
Comparing our total battery time with each other is pointless and meaningless. You can drain your phone from 100 to zero in 3 hours playing certain games, or it can last 30 hours cause you barely touched it. The only reasonable comparison is screen on time. Period. Tho it can alter greatly as well. 3 hours screen time on a 3d game, or 7 hours watching movies. 5 or more mostly texting and browsing......but still, its a better way to compare.
Gps is a battery destroyer. Some people leave it on...and certain apps will use it whenever you open them.
Screen brightness is a huge factor.
Task killers usually do more harm than good. Personally I only use greenify, and only for apps I know drain batteries a lot. Like maps. If maps is part of the rom....I convert it to a user app with titanium backup and greenify it. Canada's weather network app is a battery hog. Greenify. Basically anything that tops my list with more than 10 percent in gsam gets greenified. My wife used to use Facebook app....I got her using the browser. The app sucked her battery and data sometimes. No....no notification now, but she's on it a lot....her eyeballs are her notification. 
Juice defender....great for very light users....a battery waster for medium to heavy users. Turning wifi and data on and off 200 times a day will kill more battery than it saves. Ever see the amount of times juice defender wakes your phone? LOL. I got as high as 1000 before I deleted it. Gsam told me that!
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Here's the link to my S2 thread if anyone wants to read the discussions.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2461864
And this screen shot is my credentials. Lol
I have always got good battery life on any phone or rom... Cause it's my number one concern and all my attention goes to good battery life before anything else. It's also why I got the moto x over the G2..... I saw the battery life that some Moto X users were getting and it is right up there with average G2 battery life times. And I think the moto x is the better built phone.
Good luck!!
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kj2112 said:
Here's the link to my S2 thread if anyone wants to read the discussions.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2461864
And this screen shot is my credentials. Lol
I have always got good battery life on any phone or rom... Cause it's my number one concern and all my attention goes to good battery life before anything else. It's also why I got the moto x over the G2..... I saw the battery life that some Moto X users were getting and it is right up there with average G2 battery life times. And I think the moto x is the better built phone.
Good luck!!
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are you on jellybean?

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are you on jellybean?
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Yup, 4.2.2 stock
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GSAM won't work on 4.4 without a helper app, which requires root. Android removed the ability to see battery stats without root. I love GSAM and installed the root helper.
As for location services, I use App Ops (and now App Opps X that I'm rooted) to remove the location privileges for certain apps as I do leave my GPS enabled at all times and monitor what apps actually use it. I'm fine with ones that poll it like once an hour or something, but I had an app that used about 45 minutes of GPS lock when I hadn't even run the app since reboot. I disabled location access for that app with App Ops and it's fine now.
I also have a root app called Disable Service which lets you stop services for a given user or system app.
All of these things I described do require root. Although App Ops can be used without root, it can do more with it.

kj2112 said:
Gps is a battery destroyer. Some people leave it on...and certain apps will use it whenever you open them.
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I leave high accuracy GPS on all the time, and have done so with all phones I've had with that option. I checked battery life with it enabled and with GPS off unless needed, and there was no appreciable change in battery life by turning GPS off. I haven't tested this on newer phones, but it was this way with my Fascinate. Considering Android does much better with managing sensors now, hardware has improved greatly, and the Fascinate was one of the worse phones for GPS ever, if a battery issue was going to happen, that was the phone to have it with.

imnuts said:
I leave high accuracy GPS on all the time, and have done so with all phones I've had with that option. I checked battery life with it enabled and with GPS off unless needed, and there was no appreciable change in battery life by turning GPS off. I haven't tested this on newer phones, but it was this way with my Fascinate. Considering Android does much better with managing sensors now, hardware has improved greatly, and the Fascinate was one of the worse phones for GPS ever, if a battery issue was going to happen, that was the phone to have it with.
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I also leave my GPS toggled "on" all the time (I use Power Control widget). It is actually only in use when it shows the GPS icon in the notification area, and I only look into it when it's on and I'm not using a location based app. If I find a problem I remove that app or disable the location services as mentioned in my previous post in this thread.
No real difference for me on battery life either, unless there is an offending app going crazy.

I'm willing to bet that on 4.4 with Google apps being even more integrated in the OS... That location services will shave at least some noticeable Battery life. Maybe not with an app as mentioned above, where you have control over what used gps. I'm on 4.2.2, but I'd be curious to see screen shots on 4.4...or even 4.2.2, of a full battery cycle with location services on.... And one off.
I know on my s2, if I forgot and left Gps on a while, it would eat my battery at least a 3rd quicker. Perhaps I had an app that abused gps, but it was pretty ugly anyway. Lol
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Oh.... I guess without gsam... Screen shot won't be as useful. Lol
Another reason I'm sticking with 4.2.2.
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Turn off "scanning allows available while wifi is off", its under WiFi advance settings, scans for WiFi even if your WiFi is off, I don't know who and why that is even a setting but it is
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battery saver tips
kj2112 said:
I am gonna copy paste a thread I made for the t989 s2. It's all universal advice.
Yes... Root is required for a lot of this.
A nandroid backup first is a good idea.
Lots of this is common knowledge, but maybe not to some newer Android users.... So here it is.
About the only moto x specific thing I can add is freeze all that motorola stuff. Even the com.motorola stuff. If you really want active display.... Keep it, I did. I went a few days without touch less control and now it's back on. Gonna see if my battery gets effected. Of your not sure what some of this com. Motorola stuff is, you can google it.
So.....2 things I personally think work best to solve battery draining issues.
1. GSAM from playstore. It will tell you what apps are draining your battery...the top of the app list will be your main culprits. Then you need to find out why? You can check what apps are waking your phone and for how long. Gsam can tell you a lot if you play around with it and see what it can show you.
2. Cpuspy, also from play store. A simple yet easy way to see if your phone is deep sleeping. Deep sleep should pretty much be your total up time....minus screen on time. Roughly. If it isn't, or you have no deep sleep time.....back to gsam to find out why.
Once you narrow down the app culprits ....then you can search on why.
One last huge thing I personally have done for a long time now....reboot after you unplug from charger. Every single time. This used to be a fix for not getting deep sleep....and I think it still is a good practice.
That's it. 2 apps and you can post your battery draining questions with a lot more info than simply saying..."hey....my battery life sucks."
Cause 9.5 times out of 10.....it has nothing to do with the rom you are using. Usually anyway.
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Thanks for the info... I will try this one...
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CPU spy shows only 13% deep sleeping.
I don't have root. How can I hunt down where the battery goes? Thanks

redhonker said:
CPU spy shows only 13% deep sleeping.
I don't have root. How can I hunt down where the battery goes? Thanks
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Are you on 4.2.2. If so... Gsam will tell you.
Apparently if your on 4.4....you have to be rooted.
Kinda seems google is slowly trying to be like iPhone... And not let you do stuff unless you are rooted. Lol
But you should be around or over 80 percent deep sleep. If not.... You have an issue. And 13 percent.... You have a big issue.
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The best battery tip would be to download GravityBox and enabling "Solid Black Display". Being that the screen is AMOLED, you're saving loads of battery without sacrificing anything.

flashallthetime said:
Turn off "scanning allows available while wifi is off", its under WiFi advance settings, scans for WiFi even if your WiFi is off, I don't know who and why that is even a setting but it is
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If you read the differences between 4.3 and 4.4, you'll notice what it is for. Google implemented the change to improve location accuracy with minimal effects on the battery. From my experience, while it looks like wifi is on all the time, it doesn't really do anything to battery life, but vastly improves location accuracy and lock time. So far, I've done next to nothing suggested in this thread, and I'm still coming home from work with about the same battery % remaining as I did on my Note 2. The best part is that my phone is probably doing more to affect battery life, but actually using less.

One thing I didn't say in my opening posts was that if someone is having trouble with battery life.... Do all this stuff... Then one at a time bring back things you miss... If one of them impacts your battery more than you care for.... You'll know what app or feature it is.
Everyone has different battery expectations and needs.... Some of my suggestions may seem too extreme for some people, or not at all for others.
I do everything I posted. I personally want every extra minute of screen time I can get.... But that's just me. Everyone has their own needs. I still enjoy my phone immensely... And use the functions I want for myself.... And see 5 to 6 hour screen times every charge. If some of my cuts are too much for some... That's totally understandable.
Btw.... I don't care for touch less control.... But with it on.... I pretty much lose one hour screen time. Luckily it's not a feature I care about... So it's off. Just an FYI.
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kj2112 said:
Are you on 4.2.2. If so... Gsam will tell you.
Apparently if your on 4.4....you have to be rooted.
Kinda seems google is slowly trying to be like iPhone... And not let you do stuff unless you are rooted. Lol
But you should be around or over 80 percent deep sleep. If not.... You have an issue. And 13 percent.... You have a big issue.
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Yeah, I am on 4.4, not rooted.
59% at 384 MHz
What are the Motorola services that I should disable?
I've gone through Apps Ops and disabled wake-lock on almost all apps. Any other ways to find out what's behind the scene?
Thanks

Idle Battery Drain

So I was posting some info in another thread but I figured I would make my own thread for it. It seems like the power consumption at idle might be the cause for the "not as good as expected" battery life. For example my G3 will sit off the charger for 4 hours without being used and still be at 100%, the Turbo loses 6% in that time. The G3 has a 3000mAH Battery and I could easily get 24h of off the charger time on the G3. My question is what is killing the battery on the Turbo??? Its kinda hard to look over the battery stats when there is no root. Anyone have any input?

I think it's because of the wifi. I too have experienced crazy idle drain compared to my G2 and it's really making me regret getting this phone. It seems like they just slapped the kitkat ROM together and didn't really care to test it very well because Lollipop is coming out so soon.

It's definitely draining at idle more than usual or should be, I agree. I don't think it is WiFi related though, or at least not enough to be the main problem. I could be wrong of course. I have also not experience any WiFi or Bluetooth issues whatsoever and I use a Moto 360 all day, every day.
I am currently on my 4th charge cycle since acquiring the 64GB BN model. It's been powered on for 7h 32m and I'm sitting at 78% with 1hr 18m SoT. That's with heavy usage and taking quite a bit of pictures & video during this mornings product demo presentations at work.
Hardly anything for me personally to complain about. I'm sure they will optimize it. I'm almost certain than Android L 5.0 will make this phone a true beast.
Time will tell.

are you leaving gps or high accuracy location settings on?

I have the same issue as the OP. My G3 lost very little battery life when idling. I've attempted shutting down email accounts, turning off location and selectively removing apps in hopes of determining the cause of the drain...without success. This could be a deal breaker if we don't get some type of root exploit soon.

Well this sucks. I was going to get the Turbo but now I'm going to wait and see what happens with this drain issue. Maybe 5.0 will fix it.

I have been using the same settings that I did on my G3, Auto brightness, Location OFF and Auto Sync. Glad I'm not the only one noticing it too, I think its all in the build of Kit Kat they put on this phone, hopefully L comes out soon.

timjp692 said:
So I was posting some info in another thread but I figured I would make my own thread for it. It seems like the power consumption at idle might be the cause for the "not as good as expected" battery life. For example my G3 will sit off the charger for 4 hours without being used and still be at 100%, the Turbo loses 6% in that time. The G3 has a 3000mAH Battery and I could easily get 24h of off the charger time on the G3. My question is what is killing the battery on the Turbo??? Its kinda hard to look over the battery stats when there is no root. Anyone have any input?
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How about you start by posting screenshots of your battery stats from System...Battery
I don't have any issues whatsoever.

Well once I figure out how to do that I will post it, but in the mean time what phone were you coming from? A few people have agreed in this post that the battery life is worse @ idle then the G3 so its not just me.
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timjp692 said:
Well once I figure out how to do that I will post it, but in the mean time what phone were you coming from? A few people have agreed in this post that the battery life is worse @ idle then the G3 so its not just me.
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Well G3 could be out of box, not trying to argue wanted to understand what your problem was. If you press the graph you'll see more details on what is using batteries (awake vs screen on, cell signal etc) and more in Android System if you go into that screen.
Overall what your getting .. 1-2% is not a big deal to me and beauty of the massive battery is you don't have to worry about but if really wanted to you could improve by turning off stuff you don't need or even automating it.
FWIW I'm coming from a GS3 with a tiny battery but even that phone lasted 5 days idling with the right setting for my use case (cell radio off / WiFi on). With Turbo just disabled some apps I didn't need and don't even think about it any more. I do have complaints about the Turbo but battery is definitely not one of them.

I'm interested in this as well. I bought my turbo yesterday evening and it had a pretty good charge (>80%) out of the box. I played with it for much of the evening and copied ~8gb of data to the phone via wifi. When I went to bed battery was at 60%, when I woke up it was 46%. I noticed that my third biggest battery use is command center, so I disabled auto-location in that app. I'm hoping to have better results on my first full charge.

Yeah I agree, but its literally the same settings I ran of my G3. I think I'm just gonna return it between the weak wifi and cell signal, and the camera it's just not worth it if the battery life isn't better then my G3

I've been posting in the other battery life thread... but to summarize, I'm going to be doing some thorough testing over the next 24/48 hours (currently ongoing).
I have already noticed significant improvements in my battery life. Has mentioned in the other thread. I'll be making a detailed post on Friday evening with my results.
I may also, from time to time post some of my progress, as I already have an understanding as to one of the issues involved with the so called "idle drain" everyone is referring to, and it is NOT WiFi.
Keep your eyes on that thread here.

Thanks, I'm pretty good with understanding wake locks, I just don't know where to start without root since most the stats in BB require it. I'm intrested to see what you come up with. I'm gonna wait till Saturday anyway to see if I still want to trade this in for the nexus.

timjp692 said:
I'm gonna wait till Saturday anyway to see if I still want to trade this in for the nexus.
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Is there a hard date for the nexus?
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Andromjb said:
I've been posting in the other battery life thread... but to summarize, I'm going to be doing some thorough testing over the next 24/48 hours (currently ongoing).
I have already noticed significant improvements in my battery life. Has mentioned in the other thread. I'll be making a detailed post on Friday evening with my results.
I may also, from time to time post some of my progress, as I already have an understanding as to one of the issues involved with the so called "idle drain" everyone is referring to.
Keep your eyes on that thread here.
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Very interested in what you come up with, thanks!

timjp692 said:
Thanks, I'm pretty good with understanding wake locks, I just don't know where to start without root since most the stats in BB require it. I'm intrested to see what you come up with. I'm gonna wait till Saturday anyway to see if I still want to trade this in for the nexus.
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Well you are limited with what you can do but I already gave you a start in my post, maybe you missed it. The only insight you will have without root (for tools like Better Battery Stats) is looking into all the info you can get out of Settings..Battery. There you can see wake locks vs screen on time and other stats like cell signal / wifi status etc. Then you can also dive into your biggest usage, for you it looks like it is Android System. They will list system services that are classified here. For example, you'll see the moto features are part of this. If you don't want to dig you can wait for Andromjb's updates
Overall I wouldn't base your decision to return the Turbo based on the battery -- base it on your other problems it sounds like you're having with wifi signal etc. That sounds like reason enough for a return. If you're ok with the larger size of the Nexus 6 then to me it's a no brainer to go with that instead of Droid Turbo since they are almost identical in terms of hardware.

For those that are getting battery drain, did you disable all of the verizon apps? There are some 20+ apps that are constantly running in the background and will drain your battery(even after i did a factory reset, these apps were sending data despite me never having opened them). Disable those, restart, then see if things change over the next cycle. I got 2d9hr31m and 4hr23 min of SOT(minimal usage) and was at 13%; this was on the first charge.

Could this drain be due to some of the sensors used for notifications. Doesn't the turbo have the feature where you stick your hand over it and it shows the notifications? If this is the case, wouldn't those sensors have to stay on?

Yeah I have 27 apps disabled and it really didn't make a difference for me like it has in the past, their must be something killing the battery on this 30m of screen time and I'm at 79% shouldn't be happening.

timjp692 said:
Yeah I have 27 apps disabled and it really didn't make a difference for me like it has in the past, their must be something killing the battery on this 30m of screen time and I'm at 79% shouldn't be happening.
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Thats actually really interesting. I haven't been experiencing anything like that. Perhaps try doing a factory reset then disabling them again. That's the only thing I did differently. Perhaps it's just a bad device? I'm already at 2hrs screen time, heavy downloading(off line apps), and have been on battery for 1d8hr- still at 45%. Is there anything in the battery stats? Wake locks perhaps?

Battery life with 3G Always ON, Not connected to WiFi

Hi guys,
I'm interested in purchasing Galaxy note 3. I'm an iPhone user, but I've used Android until Nexus 4. I really want to switch back because I love customizing my home screen, but I'm really afraid at the same time. The reason is that with every single Android device I had, the battery life on 3G was horrendous. Even in standby in 3G, the battery drains super quickly, and when using, it's even worse of course. It was always hard to get it last through the day with only 3G and no WiFi connection. Signal I believe was okay too, not extremely good, but also not terrible.
Could you please (with no bias) let me know what the battery life with 3G is like on this device? Hopefully with Lollipop because that's the only reason I'm switching to Android. I don't like all the android versions before Lollipop.
Thanks so much!

Hello, i use a Note 3 (SM-N900) lollipop and im always on 3G. I get max 7 to 8 hours on 3G! But it depends how you really use the phone. Im not using power saving mode. Hope it helped you.
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NaveeDo said:
Hello, i use a Note 3 (SM-N900) lollipop and im always on 3G. I get max 7 to 8 hours on 3G! But it depends how you really use the phone. Im not using power saving mode. Hope it helped you.
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Hello, thanks for replying!
7-8 hours screen on time, or the phone just lasts 7-8 hours in total? If it's the latter, that's pretty short, similar to my past Android experiences.
You said depends on how I use it, but how do you use your Note 3? Are you a very heavy user?
I'm a moderate user. I need it to not run out of battery for at least 15 hours, with maybe about 5 hours screen on time. Again, on 3G. Is this possible? I don't play games. Just browsing the web, quite a few mobile data messaging, etc.

If you use the battery saving mode, it is better... but V5.0 drains battery a lot more than 4.4.
You say you don't like previous versions to 5.0... but I don't think you have tried them and they look almost the same (you can even install a launcher that makes it look exactly the same). Newer isn't always better -- at least not until a few updates lol.
Picking a phone with large battery is always good if you want longer hours.
But if you're an iP... I can't even it say it, it makes me sick lol... perhaps also look at the Sony phones. They have amazing battery life and a lot simpler in function like an ippp -- you know.

sw6lee said:
Hi guys,
I'm interested in purchasing Galaxy note 3. I'm an iPhone user, but I've used Android until Nexus 4. I really want to switch back because I love customizing my home screen, but I'm really afraid at the same time. The reason is that with every single Android device I had, the battery life on 3G was horrendous. Even in standby in 3G, the battery drains super quickly, and when using, it's even worse of course. It was always hard to get it last through the day with only 3G and no WiFi connection. Signal I believe was okay too, not extremely good, but also not terrible.
Could you please (with no bias) let me know what the battery life with 3G is like on this device? Hopefully with Lollipop because that's the only reason I'm switching to Android. I don't like all the android versions before Lollipop.
Thanks so much!
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I can't answer about the 'always on 3G' because I use AutomateIt to switch between Data and Wifi. But you can get an extended battery that should give you much more time on - the zerolemon one is about 3X the mA/hr rating of the standard and there are others that simply replace the back on your phone so you can have a thicker battery.
But much can be done also by setting up the phone correctly - remove bloatware, check for settings that drain power, or even using something like AutomateIt to turn data off when the screen shuts off would help. Greenify is another app that can save a lot of power - it hibernates apps rather than let them keep running when you aren't using them.

Hello!
I understand where you are coming from. I have a Note 3 (Stock lollipop with root) and I am always on 3G because I travel quite often and barely bother to swtich to WiFi even when I am home. On the stock rom, I usually get about 4-hrs of screen time depending on what I am doing.
If I am downloading a lot of stuff and if I have too many apps that need updating, then the screen time drops considerably (Say 3 and a half hours). But with regular use (whatsapp, 4 email accounts all syncing, auto-updating via 3g turned on) I have never had any problems getting through the day.
Also, I have the Unified Daemon disabled. I have heard that this really chews through battery. It is used for updating weather and all, and it is not really needed. Also, on LTE however, battery drains much faster (even on standby). It has a standby life of maybe 15hrs.
If you really want great battery life, I agree with @cyberboob, they have outstanding battery life. My Xperia Z ultra lasts 3 days and then some under mild to moderate use and a week under light use. I have seen Xpera Z3 show similar resilience and they are fantastic phones to boot, not to mention waterproof. (Till you have used a waterproof phone while bathing, or near a (or in a) pool, you will never know what you are missing. Once you go water proof, you cannot simply go back!)
Hope this helps!

Thanks guys for your help! I will hold off for now and maybe look into Xperia Z3 or Z3 compact. these devices are more expensive because they are newer so i need to think about it more. again, thanks!

sw6lee said:
Thanks guys for your help! I will hold off for now and maybe look into Xperia Z3 or Z3 compact. these devices are more expensive because they are newer so i need to think about it more. again, thanks!
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LOL - don't take this wrong, but you should probably stay with the Jobs program. Android works best for the Classical types. Apple is better for the Romantics. (read 'Zen & the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance' for definitions) Long story short... you want your solutions given to you. Android users (most of them) are willing to do a bit of work to make things betterer.
It is sad for the human race that Apple keeps selling so many crippled devices... le sigh...

Journyman16 said:
LOL - don't take this wrong, but you should probably stay with the Jobs program. Android works best for the Classical types. Apple is better for the Romantics. (read 'Zen & the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance' for definitions) Long story short... you want your solutions given to you. Android users (most of them) are willing to do a bit of work to make things betterer.
It is sad for the human race that Apple keeps selling so many crippled devices... le sigh...
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Well..ive had android from 2009 to 2014 and i have tons of experience flashing roms and fiddling around. But the thing is, i could never get though the day with 3G. I tried so many things i could think of but even on standby one of my phones as example drained 4 percent per 30 minutes. Probably some apps i installed but i needed all the apps. Greenify didnt help though. I tried Anker extended battery that has 400mah more with no thickness change (for T989) but still no difference. Didnt want to try crazy big batteries cause that would make the phone way too thick. Iphone has similar battery life when screen is ON But standby is much longer. I'm a light to moderate user at work so i can actually get through the day with this phone. But then again i really miss home screen customization and lollipop's flashy design looks so cool so i was looking into android again.
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I get about 5-7h screen-on time on stock with 75% brightness, no root. Disabled most bloatware. GPS & sync off. (depending on the app, 9GAG drains more than Moon+ reader, for instance.) More if I use a lower brightness.
If I watch a film (720p mkv) it lasts about 6 hours.
In deep sleep it drains about 1% per 8 hours on 4G. (3G uses even less).
Mind you, I'm on 4.4.2, and an older version at that. (feb 2014). On AMOLED black uses no battery, and Lollipop is all white. And people wonder why Lollipop drains faster?
Here's screenies of my best use. (I was reading a book, black background with grey letters.) :
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sw6lee said:
Well..ive had android from 2009 to 2014 and i have tons of experience flashing roms and fiddling around. But the thing is, i could never get though the day with 3G. I tried so many things i could think of but even on standby one of my phones as example drained 4 percent per 30 minutes. Probably some apps i installed but i needed all the apps. Greenify didnt help though. I tried Anker extended battery that has 400mah more with no thickness change (for T989) but still no difference...
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Well it seems like you have the experience to be able to use a Note. Sorry if I seemed harsh. Most Note 3 users seem fine on battery, although most also use WiFi as well as data.
Mostly it's a matter of setting up, tuning to your setup & letting it settle in. 5 hours SOT is probably a minimum but it's rare for me to get to end of day with less than 30% left.
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New firmware update USA model

What's new:
Improved camera UI
That's it. No other improvements. The update is 150mb in size, so i am hoping there would be behind the scenes bug fixing. Especially hoping it would fix the wifi sleep battery drain issue. Will update this thread in a couple of days on my findings.
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Update: I can confirm that this update does not fix the wifi/sleep issue. Went to bed at 10pm and checked the tablet at 6am. Lost 12% battery. Battery Usage tells me the tablet was awake the whole time and did not go to sleep mode. This is really bad compared to my S8+ which only loses 3% battery overnight.
Still the fix would be to switch off wifi before going to bed and the tablet will only lose 1 to 2% of its battery.

This one lost 5% over sleep but that's still a lot. I'm testing an old Asus Nexus 7 for the hell of it (it hadn't been turned on for 4 years and literally two days ago updated it to 5.1 and just left it to see if the battery would hold). The Nexus 7 is beating the S3 so far. Also have an iPad to compare and that thing can stay in standby for a month solid.
I'm just going to turn it off when not in use, waiting a minute for bootup (plus fingerprint so no having to fiddle with pw screen) isn't a huge deal to me.

Yeah it's annoying that Samsung can't get it right, even after more than a year with several devices running on the SD820 platform. I just don't get how my pixel, with nearly the same hardware, is so much smoother and more battery efficient. /rant
Anyways, I just have WiFi set to turn off when the screen is off. I only charge it once every 4-5 days with light to moderate usage

Idiots are probably not aware of the issue. WTF is there no theme store?? Getting tired of this SAMMY BS.

Download LInk?
Does anyone have a link so I can Download the latest update? Or do I need to remove root and then update in the traditional way? (I would prefer to have a file I can flash in Odin)
your help is appreciated.
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Update: I can confirm that this update does not fix the wifi/sleep issue. Went to bed at 10pm and checked the tablet at 6am. Lost 12% battery. Battery Usage tells me the tablet was awake the whole time and did not go to sleep mode. This is really bad compared to my S8+ which only loses 3% battery overnight.
Still the fix would be to switch off wifi before going to bed and the tablet will only lose 1 to 2% of its battery.
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FYI - I have a case I keep my tablet in. WHile in the case, I didn't use the tablet for two weeks. Busy having fun with new S8+) anyway, I still have over 50% of my battery remaining. When I open the case, the screen comes on very quickly. It appears that being in the case has helped to put this thing to sleep and I guess that puts battery drain down to about that 2% to 3% your S8+ gets.

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Does anyone have a link so I can Download the latest update? Or do I need to remove root and then update in the traditional way? (I would prefer to have a file I can flash in Odin)
your help is appreciated.
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FYI - I have a case I keep my tablet in. WHile in the case, I didn't use the tablet for two weeks. Busy having fun with new S8+) anyway, I still have over 50% of my battery remaining. When I open the case, the screen comes on very quickly. It appears that being in the case has helped to put this thing to sleep and I guess that puts battery drain down to about that 2% to 3% your S8+ gets.
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Remove root and go back to stock if you want ota update.
You should be able to find the firmware on sammobile.com.
I also have a case on mine with the screen on off function but still the tablet doesn't go to sleep.
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Remove root and go back to stock if you want ota update.
You should be able to find the firmware on sammobile.com.
I also have a case on mine with the screen on off function but still the tablet doesn't go to sleep.
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Sammobile doesnt have the firmware for XAR which I beleive is the US. I saw a link previously for the old firmware somewhere to samsung firmware - but when I search that site, I can't find the new update. I will try other options.
thanks

Everyone seems to be using the tablet for light duty thus far.
I'm going to chime in and add that I'll be using it for CPU intensive apps. Re: SoundCamp, FL Studio, and other heavy tasks. Don't think this will live up to "12 hour run time" that everyone's oohing and awwing over XD
I wound up getting the battery to about 13% and turned on "battery saver" for the day. It was supposed to last 23 hours. When the work day was over (about 16 hours by the time I got home) it was off. Figured it was worth testing time to complete-off from full charge. No idea when it actually turned off, but the system isn't optimized for this so-called battery saver mode either. Every other device I've owned with this feature has had accurate results (sometimes more), but not here.

Thinking of returning mine coz of the wifi bug and going back to my s2.

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Thinking of returning mine coz of the wifi bug and going back to my s2.
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What kind of bug? Lost connection? I have this issue on mine s3
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The battery drain bug thats been referred to in many places here. Not sure if and when it will be fixed.
The older S2 doesn't have this problem and it seems like the Exynos 5433 with it's 8 standard ARM cores as opposed to Qualcomm's custom 4 cores in 820 (though theoretically faster) handle Touchwiz better with less UI jankiness since both run Nougat 7.0 now.

There is a a ADQC firmware out for a lot of countries including UK, trying that one to see if the Wifi bug is fixed. Why do they delay the US version so much is beyond me? Same story with the S2 firmwares, went to the Germany/Singapore version since US receives firmware updates last, even though there are no carrier delays for the Wifi only versions.

This firmware resolves the issue: http://updato.com/firmware-archive-select-model?record=1D0F4E90377111E7963AFA163EE8F90B ! Confirmed 0% drain over 3 hours on standby would have def lost at least 2-3 % by now.
Look for BTU firmware T820XXU1AQDC if the link expires.

Does anyone not charge their tab overnight? That negates all of this *****ing. Then it is at 100% when you wake up. Win win for all.

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Does anyone not charge their tab overnight? That negates all of this *****ing. Then it is at 100% when you wake up. Win win for all.
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I charge on the weekends. I use the tab to take notes for work during the week.
Currently, I have tasker turn off wifi when the screen is off. I have updated, so I'll try without tasker.

I take my earlier comment back, aqdc still has the wifi drain bug, very annoying. Also, the new ipad pro makes this look like a joke. We need an 8895 in this tab not useless qualcomm chips.

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The battery drain bug thats been referred to in many places here. Not sure if and when it will be fixed.
The older S2 doesn't have this problem and it seems like the Exynos 5433 with it's 8 standard ARM cores as opposed to Qualcomm's custom 4 cores in 820 (though theoretically faster) handle Touchwiz better with less UI jankiness since both run Nougat 7.0 now.
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I have a EU LTE Tab S3. It's connected to Wi-Fi continually when I'm home. I lose 2-3% when the tablet's sleeping overnight. I didn't know there was a Wi-Fi bug until I saw this thread. But I do have a Netgear R9000 which is a beast of a router. Is there any commonality to the Wi-Fi drain problem? I don't remember which Samsung phone it was but one had a big problem with D-Link routers specifically.

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Does anyone not charge their tab overnight? That negates all of this *****ing. Then it is at 100% when you wake up. Win win for all.
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So it's now referred to as "*****ing" when people are noticing a very clear obvious issue with a device and would like to see it fixed. Amazing. Maybe for the S4 they can just not put speakers on it and we can all be considered "*****ing" because we should all just use headphones?
Anyway......completely ridiculous that there are constantly issues with these things. I TRY to switch away from iPad constantly and there is just not an Android tablet on the market that is in the same ballpark and at this point I doubt there ever will be. I've lost 8% of battery life today already and the thing has been on for like 2 and a half hours, and of that time I've probably spent like 5 minutes actually using it. The rest of the time it's just been sitting there, screen off. Pathetic. An iPad would still be at 100%, MAYBE 99%.

Please report the wifi issue here to pressure samsung for a fix :
https://us.community.samsung.com/t5/Tablets/tab-S3-wifi-power-drain-bug/m-p/123511#M5427

Moto X pure battery problems

Im sorry if I do something wrong, I'm new at this. I have had my mxp for a while now and I never got great battery life but recently it has been terrible, when I unplug it I lose 5% in a couple minutes without even using it! I updated to Android 7.0 to see if that would help at all sadly it hasn't. I also turned wifi and Bluetooth scanning off and location is on battery saver. I haven't gotten 2 hours of sot in forever even with lite use, I swear I'm always plugged in. I included screenshots of my battery usage from an average day, is there anything I can do to fix/help it?
Thank you for your time
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If you have poor standby time, and you have root you can try better battery stats. It should help you nail down if your phone isn't getting into deep sleep, and what is keeping it awake. Without root you can still get a feel for how much the device is awake by looking at the details you get when you touch the trend in Settings -> Battery.
You could try booting into safe mode and seeing if your battery life improves. That will disable everything but system apps. Do it by long pressing Power Off after holding the power button to bring up the power menu. It won't tell you what app is the problem, but it will let you know if you have a rogue app you installed causing battery drain.

Sorry but the images are broken!

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If you have poor standby time, and you have root you can try better battery stats. It should help you nail down if your phone isn't getting into deep sleep, and what is keeping it awake. Without root you can still get a feel for how much the device is awake by looking at the details you get when you touch the trend in Settings -> Battery.
You could try booting into safe mode and seeing if your battery life improves. That will disable everything but system apps. Do it by long pressing Power Off after holding the power button to bring up the power menu. It won't tell you what app is the problem, but it will let you know if you have a rogue app you installed causing battery drain.
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My phone was at 48% and I restarted it and it turned back on with 5% battery any idea how that can happen? I rebooted it again to see if it was a mistake but came up as 4% I wish I could include the screenshot but I'm too new I guess.

Your battery is failing. Theres nothing other than a battery replacement.

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My phone was at 48% and I restarted it and it turned back on with 5% battery any idea how that can happen? I rebooted it again to see if it was a mistake but came up as 4% I wish I could include the screenshot but I'm too new I guess.
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My phone started doing this almost 4 month ago, when i updated to nougat. Normaly for me the problem is with the battery meter but not the battery. That means that the phone still have 46% and if you use it you will see the battery get stuck at 4%. Just don't restart your phone. Also after charging your phone power it off and on, if you see a jump in battery just keep charging and repeat the process until there is no change! There is a big chance that also your battery is almost dead but if you not add screenshots of your use there is no much more we can do for you!

I posted it in an other topic with simillar topic , it might be useful :
I had this weird problem with my battery too! MXPE on stock nougat , as soon as I charged my phone to 100% and plug out it used to drop below 80 in 2 minutes ! and then when the percentage hit ~20% It used to turn off showing that white screen you mentioned, however when I plugged the phone in it would start charging at ~15% ! so I tried recalibrating my battery and it is surprisingly effective !
here is the method:
1) drain your phone battery until it shuts down.
2)power it on again and you will see that white battery low picture. plug the charger for 3 or more seconds and out, it will boot up again but as soon as the Rom boots up the phone will die again . do it multiple times.
3)charge the phone while it is off until 100%. turn it on and drain the battery as fast as possible (max brightness, volume, streaming videos on cellular data and running benchmarks will do ) till the phone dies again.
4) repeat (2)
5) charge the phone up to 100% while it is off ! and there you go your battery is recalibrated and good to go!
Obviously, this will shorten the batteries lifespan but since I believe you have it for a long time It won't be an important matter!

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My phone started doing this almost 4 month ago, when i updated to nougat. Normaly for me the problem is with the battery meter but not the battery. That means that the phone still have 46% and if you use it you will see the battery get stuck at 4%. Just don't restart your phone. Also after charging your phone power it off and on, if you see a jump in battery just keep charging and repeat the process until there is no change! There is a big chance that also your battery is almost dead but if you not add screenshots of your use there is no much more we can do for you!
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Can you see these images?

Yes, it seems that your battery es dead. You can try one last thing if you want. Try to use the phone in safe mode and check how much Screen on time you got. To enter safe mode press the power button until the power off prompt appear. Then maintan the turn off pressed and the device will reboot to safe mode.

Better battery stats will work fine with non rooted phones you just have to run some commands in adb.

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Yes, it seems that your battery es dead. You can try one last thing if you want. Try to use the phone in safe mode and check how much Screen on time you got. To enter safe mode press the power button until the power off prompt appear. Then maintan the turn off pressed and the device will reboot to safe mode.
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I tried safe mode and battery still drains super fast. What is Motorola's policy on replacing batteries or is there not one?

Dylanburns said:
I tried safe mode and battery still drains super fast. What is Motorola's policy on replacing batteries or is there not one?
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If the phone is under warranty they must replace your battery. If the phone isn't then you have to ask and see what happens and how much they will charge you.
Also it is not dificult to do it yourself. You will need a really good T4 screw driver, a heatgun, doble sided tape or a sticker to put the back agin. Finally a good battery replacement. You can search in the section for battery replacement and search youtube for tutorials. Good Luck with that!

Battery is now consistently dieing around 30 percent now, I think it's time for a new phone sadly.

Nearly a month now that battery dying at around 25-30% and hardly see the battery saver mode anymore. Also SOT hardly gets more then 1.5 hours so i think my battery life time is gone too.

Update: Strange behaviour today. After nearly a full charge got a auto power off some minutes after and when opened again it has gone directly at 3%
Will give it a try with a normal charger just to make sure the problem isnt with the turbo one!

Any suggestions for a replacement for my MXP? I'm looking at the $300 price range and headphone jack is a must!

Onward is the only way forward.
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Any suggestions for a replacement for my MXP? I'm looking at the $300 price range and headphone jack is a must!
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Moto X Pure Edition... 64GB edition . HTCs from that time period are said to be good all-around as well, but run even more expensive than the Pure Edition already does (and it seems to be holding its value somewhat better than expected). Personally, if my Pure Edition doesn't pull through, then I might just find another one, but the Nexus 6 has been a decent temporary replacement (aside from that screen).

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Any suggestions for a replacement for my MXP? I'm looking at the $300 price range and headphone jack is a must!
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Moto G5 Plus or G5S Plus... Or Honor 7x
To be honest, these are the only phones in the $200-$300 price range I would look at right now... Either will increase battery life 2-4 times, include SD card support, have a traditional headphone jack, and at least as much horsepower. Most other things like camera is a wash, the main drawback of any of these is they do not have NFC and sound quality can be a bit lacking, but few phones under $300 do with similar features.
A budget alternative (under $200) is the ZTE Axon 7 Mini at $169.99 from B&H Photo, it is an extremely under-rated device and although it is pushing just over a year old, it's features are hard to deny for the price, including NFC and truly amazing sound quality from both headphones and the stereo speakers. When this phone released it was $300.
TBH though, if I had to buy a device today and I had $200~$250 available... It would be the Honor 7x. Even pushing $350 to near $400, I would still go this route but once you hit $400 the choices I would make change a bit.

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Moto G5 Plus or G5S Plus... Or Honor 7x
To be honest, these are the only phones in the $200-$300 price range I would look at right now... Either will increase battery life 2-4 times, include SD card support, have a traditional headphone jack, and at least as much horsepower. Most other things like camera is a wash, the main drawback of any of these is they do not have NFC and sound quality can be a bit lacking, but few phones under $300 do with similar features.
A budget alternative (under $200) is the ZTE Axon 7 Mini at $169.99 from B&H Photo, it is an extremely under-rated device and although it is pushing just over a year old, it's features are hard to deny for the price, including NFC and truly amazing sound quality from both headphones and the stereo speakers. When this phone released it was $300.
TBH though, if I had to buy a device today and I had $200~$250 available... It would be the Honor 7x. Even pushing $350 to near $400, I would still go this route but once you hit $400 the choices I would make change a bit.
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I have been looking at the Honor 7x and seems like a good phone, do you think the LG V20 is worth the extra 120$ over the 7x?

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I have been looking at the Honor 7x and seems like a good phone, do you think the LG V20 is worth the extra 120$ over the 7x?
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Honestly... I haven't liked LG devices since the G2 when I had a bad experience with it, but many people do like them... My issue here would be your paying ~$320 for a phone that is 15 months old, there isn't much argument about it's capabilities, most people like it. I would hop over to the XDA group for that device and read up some of the threads over the last view months and see what kind of issues people have been having, just silently skim for a bit and you will get a better feel for the device. On the good side it has a removable/replaceable battery, that would be a huge plus for this device. Your call on this one.
Personally, I just don't see the cost/benefit of most phones over $300 anymore... You can get a reasonable device for $200-$300 and in general to get much more you need to double or triple that amount now days but it isn't 2-3 times better.