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Has anyone tried buying a non official battery for their MS2 and care to comment or recommend any? Im going on holiday to france and i know my phone wont last a whole day without charging, so I was thinking of buying a second battery.
I read in another forum that using a non-Motorola battery displays some kind of warning. I'd go with an original battery.
jambo89liam said:
Has anyone tried buying a non official battery for their MS2 and care to comment or recommend any? Im going on holiday to france and i know my phone wont last a whole day without charging, so I was thinking of buying a second battery.
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using a non-original battery could have detrimental effects on your phone. there was a discussion on this on the forum of another phone. using a non-original battery could lead to leaks and other problems which would eventually lead to the warranty of your phone being voided.
stick with original motorola products. yes the battery might be very underpowered, but its the safest bet to ensure the longevity of ur phone
With a non original battery, the battery indicator of your phone shows a interrogation symbol. Also, it does not charge with the phone charger.
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bp7x 2300mAh battery
I 'm using a non-original battery . The MOMAX and everything's good ,it feels just like the original one except for battery tempperature sensor. the temp is always 26 in celsius
I personally have used seidio for my milestone and it works like a charm, its the extended 2800mah one it really performs like it should and not like how a lot of people claim thats its way less than stock! It does not always read it correctly but a quick reboot fixes that, like 50% after reboot would usually be about 70-80%. They way i used to use my phone (light to moderate level) would last about 2-3 days but after the extended I got twice that and some more. Just make sure you get stuff from the original manufactures either way and don't go for deals at amazon or whatnot as those guys might be selling either defected or not proprely stored stuff. Batteries are critical components don't go cheap on them! And no, my phone has not been messed up or had any leaks or anything and I have this for about 3-4 months now. The original battery degraded in about 6months if you have to compare.
That sounds promising, does the battery need to be charged with an external charger? And does the milestone complain that you are not using the official bettery
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metalron said:
I personally have used seidio for my milestone and it works like a charm, its the extended 2800mah one it really performs like it should and not like how a lot of people claim thats its way less than stock! It does not always read it correctly but a quick reboot fixes that, like 50% after reboot would usually be about 70-80%. They way i used to use my phone (light to moderate level) would last about 2-3 days but after the extended I got twice that and some more. Just make sure you get stuff from the original manufactures either way and don't go for deals at amazon or whatnot as those guys might be selling either defected or not proprely stored stuff. Batteries are critical components don't go cheap on them! And no, my phone has not been messed up or had any leaks or anything and I have this for about 3-4 months now. The original battery degraded in about 6months if you have to compare.
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reebooting your phone to get the exact picture also works on the standard battery. my question is, does the back part which houses the battery heat up when used? does the phone get hot during charging? do you need a new battery cover for it? and besides the longer usability, have you noticed any other performance issues on the phone?
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reebooting your phone to get the exact picture also works on the standard battery. my question is, does the back part which houses the battery heat up when used? does the phone get hot during charging? do you need a new battery cover for it? and besides the longer usability, have you noticed any other performance issues on the phone?
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Actually the rebooting to get the exact picture is not the same here, a jump to 20-30% on a stock battery? I don't think so. No I never encountered any odd behavior with the other battery. No getting extra hot during charge or use, get the typical little bit of heat while using 3G and browsing like mad but that would happen on the stock battery too. Battery cover for a 2800? of course, that stuff is huge! its protrudes like mad! a quick heads up though, the extended battery for the milestone 1 and 2 can use the same extended batteries. Don't know about the droid x though. Anyways, no performance issues, no heat while charging. The back covers supplied by these after market guys are not the best quality though so if you are someone who loves dropping phones and what not would recommed getting a spare back cover from the guys you get the batts from.
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That sounds promising, does the battery need to be charged with an external charger? And does the milestone complain that you are not using the official bettery
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No, I use my original charger and no complains or warnings by the phone. Not on the milestone 1 at least. In fact some times i use my ipod's adapter so no big issue. And it charges at the same pace as the stock, additional 1 hour or whatever. restart the phone to getting a proper reading as it shows 100% but upon restart its 70-80% since only the stock level is charged. I hear this app called battery left does great for calibration.
ALSO a thing to note, I only know of Seidio and Mugen to be relialbe after market battery guys hence their hefty pricing at times. The others claiming to have bigger batteries have cheated people with stickers and what not and usually end up underperforming and degrading considerably faster than burning paper! I remember 1USD batteries for nokias back in the day good for a quick one time run i suppose but these 1USD guys are now selling them with a better branding for like 20-40 USD.
Anyways Sedio and Mugen have facebook profiles and keep people posted on the latest on devices usually there, although its kind of sad since seidio have not followed through promised products at times.
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Actually the rebooting to get the exact picture is not the same here, a jump to 20-30% on a stock battery? I don't think so. No I never encountered any odd behavior with the other battery. No getting extra hot during charge or use, get the typical little bit of heat while using 3G and browsing like mad but that would happen on the stock battery too. Battery cover for a 2800? of course, that stuff is huge! its protrudes like mad! a quick heads up though, the extended battery for the milestone 1 and 2 can use the same extended batteries. Don't know about the droid x though. Anyways, no performance issues, no heat while charging. The back covers supplied by these after market guys are not the best quality though so if you are someone who loves dropping phones and what not would recommed getting a spare back cover from the guys you get the batts from.
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thanks for the info mate. ill do a lil more research and probably check it out myself.
Thanks for the info i have bought a Seidio Innocell Extended Life for Motorola milestone 2 from mobilefun £30.49 its the 1500mah version same size as original battery so no extra cover is required.
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Thanks for the info i have bought a Seidio Innocell Extended Life for Motorola milestone 2 from mobilefun £30.49 its the 1500mah version same size as original battery so no extra cover is required.
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Cool but as I suggested try and get them off the manufactures themselves as I have noticed some people complaining when purchased via 3rd party retailers.
Also another bud of mine had picked up one for the Nexus one, that phones back cover is a full one unlike the moto's and he too can vouch for the products positive performance. Either ways also check out some reviews from amazon.com for peace of mind.
http://yfrog.com/gz1yj2j
http://yfrog.com/h8n307j
Got my battery today looks official, I will charge it over night and test it tomorrow will let you know if it goes well.
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I 'm using a non-original battery . The MOMAX and everything's good ,it feels just like the original one except for battery tempperature sensor. the temp is always 26 in celsius
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can yo still charge it though because i bought the aninda battery and i could only charge it with an external battery charger
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http://yfrog.com/gz1yj2j
http://yfrog.com/h8n307j
Got my battery today looks official, I will charge it over night and test it tomorrow will let you know if it goes well.
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is the battery meter being shown or are you getting an error message because i would like to buy one
No complaints from the phone about it being the incorrect battery the battery has been charged within/by the phone no external charger required. I got the 1500mah version from mobilefun I doubt it will give much more performance but will see.
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After my first day of use I got around 11 hours of use before reaching 5%. Here are the usage statistics at 15%
https://picasaweb.google.com/105351366297036719015/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCJna6ZH6hLKxzQE
Wifi was on most of the time, I was using my phone for the usual things. Occasionally checking socialfeeds, engadget, xda every hour or so and internet browsing I played 10 minutes of angry bids. Updated some apps and downloaded a few new ones.
Overall not a significant increase in battery life maybe an hour or so more from what I am used to.
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My Moto X (2013) is out of warranty and has battery that is weaker and weaker. I checked with a local battery shop (well-known US chain, often located in shopping centers and strip malls). They ordered a replacement battery overnight and replaced the "unreplaceable" battery. Pretty tricky work, I think -- check the iFixit videos and you'll see. Only problem now is a hairline crack the guy made in the back of the phone along the edge. I decided not to worry about it. The guy felt bad, so and waived his labor charge. I felt bad for him, actually.
I suspect when Moto does a factory repair, it just pulls these backs and replaces them.
Anyway, it's great to have a new battery. I prefer my Moto X to any of the current phones, which are all too plasticky or too big, not to mention too expensive.
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Anyway, it's great to have a new battery. I prefer my Moto X to any of the current phones, which are all too plasticky or too big, not to mention too expensive.
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How much difference can you notice? Before after SOTs will be nice
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How much difference can you notice? Before after SOTs will be nice
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I've depleted it and am now recharging it from zero. I'll post some results after I do a couple of checks.
I don't think u should have depleted it to zero. New batteries like to be recharged alot. If you deplete the battery to less than 10% it goes bad alot quicker. Keep that in mind.
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I don't think u should have depleted it to zero. New batteries like to be recharged alot. If you deplete the battery to less than 10% it goes bad alot quicker. Keep that in mind.
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Ugh. I didn't know that. I just wanted to get a clean reading. Oh, well.
How much did it cost approximately?
The original price was $79 (USD) parts and labor, plus $10 overnight shipping. The guy knocked it down to $39 total because of the hairline crack. A lot for a phone battery, I know, but I wasn't willing to take on the job myself.
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I don't think u should have depleted it to zero. New batteries like to be recharged alot. If you deplete the battery to less than 10% it goes bad alot quicker. Keep that in mind.
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I don't think that really matters nowadays anymore. They are all lithium ion accumulators now and there it really doesnt matter if you charge it full or not etc.
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My Moto X (2013) is out of warranty and has battery that is weaker and weaker. I checked with a local battery shop (well-known US chain, often located in shopping centers and strip malls). They ordered a replacement battery overnight and replaced the "unreplaceable" battery. Pretty tricky work, I think -- check the iFixit videos and you'll see. Only problem now is a hairline crack the guy made in the back of the phone along the edge. I decided not to worry about it. The guy felt bad, so and waived his labor charge. I felt bad for him, actually.
I suspect when Moto does a factory repair, it just pulls these backs and replaces them.
Anyway, it's great to have a new battery. I prefer my Moto X to any of the current phones, which are all too plasticky or too big, not to mention too expensive.
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not sure what your phone's status is (rooted, ROM version, carrier, etc) - but my battery life was fine on 4.4.2 until I unlocked the bootloader and installed the OTA 4.4.4. Then it started going downhill. After trying several custom ROMs (including LP), I was beginning to believe that my battery was dead too. But then after installing 5.1 LP, battery life is back to normal again!
So, it might help to indicate what your phone's status was prior to getting a new battery so that others can reference from there.
Not really sure if this helps, but more of FYI.
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not sure what your phone's status is (rooted, ROM version, carrier, etc) ... So, it might help to indicate what your phone's status was prior to getting a new battery so that others can reference from there.
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My phone's a Moto X 1053 GSM Developer's Edition bought in November 2013. My carrier is TMobile in the USA. I'm running 4.4.4, which I installed as soon as it was released (in Sept. 2014?). Serious battery weakness didn't show up until 3-4 months ago, so that was already some months after the 4.4.4 upgrade.
My phone is unlocked and rooted. I don't play video clips as a rule, nor do I use location services. I haven't been using the battery saver feature, though.
With my new battery, I'm seeing improvement, but I still haven't run the numbers yet. I will do that as soon as I can manage it.
O.K., here are some measurements. "Old battery" refers to my original Moto X battery after 19 months of steady use. "New battery" refers to the OEM battery installed by a technician at a battery store (see above):
In battery saver mode:
OLD BATTERY: 9-10 hours
NEW BATTERY: 18 hours
In normal mode (but still without location or bluetooth):
OLD BATTERY: 6-8 hours
NEW BATTERY: 12-13 hours
I haven't run tests with location or bluetooth on, as I almost never use those.
Any info on the specific battery model?
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I don't think that really matters nowadays anymore. They are all lithium ion accumulators now and there it really doesnt matter if you charge it full or not etc.
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Actually mlodykaras is right. Modern day lithium ion battery doesn't like to be drained and preferred to be top up well in advance. On the other hand the old NaCD batteries from the 90's have a memory effect and should not be topped up until it's running low.
I am considering purchasing a moto x pure edition because it can move to any carrier. This is the main reason I was considering this phone. The second and equally important reason is battery life. My current phone is a galaxy s4 active. The battery doesn't get me through the day at work (10 hours) with moderate use (4 hours screen time). This has annoyed me greatly. Unfortunately, I cannot have it charging at work so the phone needs to make it with ease through the day. I do not have wifi available so all activity will be through 4glte with 3/5 signal. I realize one of the complaints with the phone is battery life. My question is, if I root/unlock bl (which I do with every device), are there kernels that anyone here is running that can undervolt and get me that all day battery life out of this thing? I really don't want to buy it and be back in the same boat again. Unfortunately, the gs4a i had was never boot loader unlocked so i'm stuck on crappy touchwiz with stock kernel. It performs fine but battery life stinks. If I buy this phone, will i be dissapointed? Thanks to everyone for your responses.
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I am considering purchasing a moto x pure edition because it can move to any carrier. This is the main reason I was considering this phone. The second and equally important reason is battery life. My current phone is a galaxy s4 active. The battery doesn't get me through the day at work (10 hours) with moderate use (4 hours screen time). This has annoyed me greatly. Unfortunately, I cannot have it charging at work so the phone needs to make it with ease through the day. I do not have wifi available so all activity will be through 4glte with 3/5 signal. I realize one of the complaints with the phone is battery life. My question is, if I root/unlock bl (which I do with every device), are there kernels that anyone here is running that can undervolt and get me that all day battery life out of this thing? I really don't want to buy it and be back in the same boat again. Unfortunately, the gs4a i had was never boot loader unlocked so i'm stuck on crappy touchwiz with stock kernel. It performs fine but battery life stinks. If I buy this phone, will i be dissapointed? Thanks to everyone for your responses.
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You shouldn't have any problem hitting 4hrs SOT in 10 hours off the charger. I never have to charge this thing at work. I leave the house at 5am and don't plug it in until about 9pm.
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I am considering purchasing a moto x pure edition because it can move to any carrier. This is the main reason I was considering this phone. The second and equally important reason is battery life. My current phone is a galaxy s4 active. The battery doesn't get me through the day at work (10 hours) with moderate use (4 hours screen time). This has annoyed me greatly. Unfortunately, I cannot have it charging at work so the phone needs to make it with ease through the day. I do not have wifi available so all activity will be through 4glte with 3/5 signal. I realize one of the complaints with the phone is battery life. My question is, if I root/unlock bl (which I do with every device), are there kernels that anyone here is running that can undervolt and get me that all day battery life out of this thing? I really don't want to buy it and be back in the same boat again. Unfortunately, the gs4a i had was never boot loader unlocked so i'm stuck on crappy touchwiz with stock kernel. It performs fine but battery life stinks. If I buy this phone, will i be dissapointed? Thanks to everyone for your responses.
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I just got my moto x pure two days ago. I came from using an S4 active which I still have. The turbo charing helps with the moto x. I'm still getting use to setting up my moto x the way I want it. You learn from trial and error. The main thing for me is that I want to make sure I can return to stock regardless of what happens to my phone.
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You shouldn't have any problem hitting 4hrs SOT in 10 hours off the charger. I never have to charge this thing at work. I leave the house at 5am and don't plug it in until about 9pm.
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Thanks so much for the reply! This is exactly the info I'm looking for. Some questions though, how much are you on in it and how much are you using wifi during that time? Also, are you on a custom kernel/rom?
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I just got my moto x pure two days ago. I came from using an S4 active which I still have. The turbo charing helps with the moto x. I'm still getting use to setting up my moto x the way I want it. You learn from trial and error. The main thing for me is that I want to make sure I can return to stock regardless of what happens to my phone.
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The charger is a good point at home but I can't have it at work, unfortunately.
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thejase said:
Thanks so much for the reply! This is exactly the info I'm looking for. Some questions though, how much are you on in it and how much are you using wifi during that time? Also, are you on a custom kernel/rom?
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I range from 3-5 hours of screen on time depending on my usage. If I'm at the 3 hr end, then I usually make it off the charger from 5am-9pm range with a bit of life left. If I'm at the 5 hr end I'll have to charge a decent amount sooner (maybe 5am-6pm) but it's still a full day's use. I've run completely stock and I've tried a few different Roms and Kernels...I've never seen a huge difference in battery life though.
5 hs.of SOT, 12 hs without a charger ( not in the first week of use) you need a minimal of 5 charge/discharge cycles
Its a excellent phone !! (sorry for my english)
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5 hs.of SOT, 12 hs without a charger ( not in the first week of use) you need a minimal of 5 charge/discharge cycles
Its a excellent phone !! (sorry for my english)
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This is good to know but I will be purchasing it used so the cycles will be there already.
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This is good to know but I will be purchasing it used so the cycles will be there already.
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Think about this advice if you change the ROM.
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thejase said:
I am considering purchasing a moto x pure edition because it can move to any carrier. This is the main reason I was considering this phone. The second and equally important reason is battery life. My current phone is a galaxy s4 active. The battery doesn't get me through the day at work (10 hours) with moderate use (4 hours screen time). This has annoyed me greatly. Unfortunately, I cannot have it charging at work so the phone needs to make it with ease through the day. I do not have wifi available so all activity will be through 4glte with 3/5 signal. I realize one of the complaints with the phone is battery life. My question is, if I root/unlock bl (which I do with every device), are there kernels that anyone here is running that can undervolt and get me that all day battery life out of this thing? I really don't want to buy it and be back in the same boat again. Unfortunately, the gs4a i had was never boot loader unlocked so i'm stuck on crappy touchwiz with stock kernel. It performs fine but battery life stinks. If I buy this phone, will i be dissapointed? Thanks to everyone for your responses.
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I just got my Moto XPE too. Battery life was one of my biggest concerns. I came from a moto e (that little thing had ridiculous battery life). I was worried because of all the complaints of short battery life but I can tell you this:
When I first used the phone (no root, mods, out anything) I got around 4 hours sot pretty easily. That's a little short for me but it isn't terrible. The phone got really warm though and I felt as if it was unoptimized and the CPU was doing more work than it needed to.
I proceeded to void my warranty and unlock the bootloader. First I did a little research on these big.LITTLE cpus then i used a (well pretty much the only established one) custom kernel, Frankenclark, to do a little tweaking.
All I did was turn touchboost off and make the lowest CPU frequency one step lower, as well as turning hotplug to where the screen on minimum CPU count is 1. There was basically no loss in performance and it doesn't even get as much as warm now. I can't give you stats on the long term battery life yet but in the time that I wrote this I only lost 2% ( I type slow ).
Before both the big and LITTLE CPU clusters were showing on and pretty much going crazy all the time. Now the big cluster is hardly ever on. The phone by default has touchboost set to turn on cpu1 (which is one of 2 cores in the big cluster) every time you touch the screen, which is very wasteful. (At least that's how it was with this kernel, I'm pretty sure stock did the same thing) I'm currently running TruPureX ROM (stock debloated) but I doubt it gives any battery life improvements. Motorola made a good stock rom. I really like this phone. Good luck with your purchase! PS the Nexus 6p has generally better battery life if you can live with no sdcard and the steeper price. The 6p can also move between carriers as the XPE can. Verizon included which is what I use.
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When you put this thing down, you can expect to pick it back up with the same battery % left. Standby is ridiculous, which is nice.
^^Does your screen on setting of 1 cpu stick? On mine with kernel editor it reverts back to 2 after a reboot.
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I just got my Moto XPE too. Battery life was one of my biggest concerns. I came from a moto e (that little thing had ridiculous battery life). I was worried because of all the complaints of short battery life but I can tell you this:
When I first used the phone (no root, mods, out anything) I got around 4 hours sot pretty easily. That's a little short for me but it isn't terrible. The phone got really warm though and I felt as if it was unoptimized and the CPU was doing more work than it needed to.
I proceeded to void my warranty and unlock the bootloader. First I did a little research on these big.LITTLE cpus then i used a (well pretty much the only established one) custom kernel, Frankenclark, to do a little tweaking.
All I did was turn touchboost off and make the lowest CPU frequency one step lower, as well as turning hotplug to where the screen on minimum CPU count is 1. There was basically no loss in performance and it doesn't even get as much as warm now. I can't give you stats on the long term battery life yet but in the time that I wrote this I only lost 2% ( I type slow ).
Before both the big and LITTLE CPU clusters were showing on and pretty much going crazy all the time. Now the big cluster is hardly ever on. The phone by default has touchboost set to turn on cpu1 (which is one of 2 cores in the big cluster) every time you touch the screen, which is very wasteful. (At least that's how it was with this kernel, I'm pretty sure stock did the same thing) I'm currently running TruPureX ROM (stock debloated) but I doubt it gives any battery life improvements. Motorola made a good stock rom. I really like this phone. Good luck with your purchase! PS the Nexus 6p has generally better battery life if you can live with no sdcard and the steeper price. The 6p can also move between carriers as the XPE can. Verizon included which is what I use.
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This is incredible information! Thank you! Unfortunately, the 6p is just out of my price range.
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^^Does your screen on setting of 1 cpu stick? On mine with kernel editor it reverts back to 2 after a reboot.
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I think I remember it's a bug where it will stick if the screen is on while kernel adiutor is restoring the settings but it will revert to 2 cores if the screen is off while it's restoring. Don't quote me on it but I think that's what it was.
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This is incredible information! Thank you! Unfortunately, the 6p is just out of my price range.
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It was mine too. I got the 64GB MXP for the same price as the 16GB on amazon and I couldn't resist. It's nice to have an SDcard too :good:
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I think I remember it's a bug where it will stick if the screen is on while kernel adiutor is restoring the settings but it will revert to 2 cores if the screen is off while it's restoring. Don't quote me on it but I think that's what it was.
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If I set it 1 6 1 (min screen on cores: 1, max cores : 6, max screen off cores 1), the phone will reboot if I don't allow kernel auditor to apply the settings while screen is still on (after a reboot). That is, after phone reboots, if screen goes blank, when I hit the power button, phone will reboot on its own.
Probably not a major issue considering I only reboot about once every week or two. I can make sure I watch the cycle and unlock it, wait for everything to settle, then turn off the screen.
Guess what I just got? someone on eBay was selling the 64gb for 300 bucks in mint condition! Just can't beat it. Thanks to everyone for info and suggestions along the way. Any recommendations on cases and screen protectors? I've always like seidio for cases and whatever is highly rated on @maz0n for screen protectors but any advice would be appreciated!
I have seidio case and holster, I think they only sell one for it, and I love it.
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Ultimately I wound up getting a vena vskin that's see through. I really love it. Only problem is the back is curved life the phone so using it on a table with one hand swiping for SwiftKey makes it spin.
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Hey all. It is my 2nd G4 device and 6 months old (first one died). Recently i realized that battery drains a lot on normal usage. I also disabled useless functions to avoid battery draining. But nothing helped. So, i decided to download an app called AccuBattery from play store. I've used this app for 3 days in order to be sure of the result. Here it is. Estimated battery capacity is 2500mAh. 500 mAh drop for just 6 months.
This is very unlikely. I have it for about 6 months now and I noticed that battery life is fluctuating. What you are getting is an estimation based on whatever Android is supplying. I've had 2 days between 2 charges for a few times when Android or any of the Google Apps did not go wild on it. I have a second battery (the one that comes with official LG battery kit) and I did not have significant lower battery time with this one (it has 2900 mAh). If your G4 is international and you are not afraid of the bootloop, then unlock the bootloader, install Imperium (or Genisys) and enjoy far better and constant battery life. I've had enough Android devices to not blame the hardware (even a Nexus). I have always had significant battery life with a well made custom Rom than with the official one.
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This is very unlikely. I have it for about 6 months now and I noticed that battery life is fluctuating. What you are getting is an estimation based on whatever Android is supplying. I've had 2 days between 2 charges for a few times when Android or any of the Google Apps did not go wild on it. I have a second battery (the one that comes with official LG battery kit) and I did not have significant lower battery time with this one (it has 2900 mAh). If your G4 is international and you are not afraid of the bootloop, then unlock the bootloader, install Imperium (or Genisys) and enjoy far better and constant battery life. I've had enough Android devices to not blame the hardware (even a Nexus). I have always had significant battery life with a well made custom Rom than with the official one.
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I have installed SimpleGX kernel that based on battery and overall speed improvements which is awesome. Also did not see any terrible kind of lag or freeze on this kernel compare to the stock one. Anyways
You can always get better results with a custom kernel. I think only the S6 is a little better at managing apps, but my work S6 does only have work email and Ingress running at all times.
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1 years old battery
I'll modify if something changes
Do not take these as granted. As I said , that app cannot know exactly how many mAh the battery has. It estimates this based on information found in the system.
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Do not take these as granted. As I said , that app cannot know exactly how many mAh the battery has. It estimates this based on information found in the system.
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Yeah it estimates. But the fact is that we can not say it estimates wrongly. It gives approximate results
I recently pulled the trigger on the MPHS25.200-23 official Android N software update for the Moto X Pure Edition. Aside from the concerns I listed among the release notes in the rollout discussion thread, I have been reasonably satisfied with the update. However, battery life absolutely plummeted after installing it. A hard reset was executed before (and after) the update and a cache/dalvik/art wipe was completed a couple days after getting everything set up.
Battery percentage drops at record speeds while the screen is on (although standby time is still okay). Using a Nexus 6 for reference, I compared results using Ampere and didn't notice any significant difference in power use (at least while idling with the screen on). Using the CPU usage monitor tool found under the debugging panel, nothing seems out of the ordinary here either (idling and light use shows a figure in the 9s, typically).
At this point, I figured misbehaving software could be ruled out, so I turned my attention to the battery. On my laptops, I can use either the OEM's power manager application or a Windows commandline tool (in Windows 8 and newer) to generate a battery health report, showing the "design capacity" and the actual "full charge capacity" in mah, which is a very good indicator of a battery's health. I struggled to find an equivalent to this on Android, but, after some digging, did find some promising leads
The trouble is that the results aren't consistent. On the Nexus 6, running "dumpsys batterystats | grep "Capacity"" shows a "Capacity" of 3220, which just happens to match the design capacity of the Nexus 6's internal battery. Running "dumpsys batteryproperties" shows "2910000" at the bottom next to "Full charge." Since the Nexus 6 is close to 3 years old now, it would make sense that the battery is only good for 2900 mah. Everything makes sense so far...
On the Moto X Pure Edition, however, "dumpsys batterystats | grep "Capacity"" yields a puzzling "Capacity: 1948." "dumpsys batteryproperties" yields "Full charge: 1948000". This makes no sense. If "Full charge" represents the design capacity, (not taking usage into account) why would it show as only 1948 on the Moto X?
Now, I'm opening this up to the community. What do you see when you run the first command?
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dumpsys batterystats | grep "Capacity"
Do you see the expected design capacity of 3000 or do you also get a small (or smaller) number like I did?
Either way, I'd like to see people's results for the second command as well:
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dumpsys batteryproperties
How close is the resulting "Full charge" value to the rated 3000?
The battery never was a 3000mah. That was a lie.
Have you done a factory reset since the update?
I get:
estimated battery capacity : 2996 mAh
and :
ac: 0 usb: 1 wireless: 0 current_max: 0 voltage_max: 0
status: 2 health: 2 present: 1
level: 96 voltage: 4411 temp: 267
current now: -182951
charge counter: 2905046
current now: -185
cycle count: 2
Full charge: 2730600
although my battery misbehaves big time ! from full charge to 80 in less than 10 minutes.
Thank you for the input
autosurgeon said:
The battery never was a 3000mah. That was a lie.
Have you done a factory reset since the update?
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I figured as much, but not a value nearly half that! Definitely performed a hard reset, both before and after the update.
roozbeh101 said:
I get:
estimated battery capacity : 2996 mAh
and :
ac: 0 usb: 1 wireless: 0 current_max: 0 voltage_max: 0
status: 2 health: 2 present: 1
level: 96 voltage: 4411 temp: 267
current now: -182951
charge counter: 2905046
current now: -185
cycle count: 2
Full charge: 2730600
although my battery misbehaves big time ! from full charge to 80 in less than 10 minutes.
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Interesting. This is more in line with what I was expecting to see on my own system, although it's surprising to hear that your phone still misbehaves as it does.
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Interesting.
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Bought February this year:
Going to try battery replacement
At this point, I'm going to chalk the issues up to a failing battery and simply consider this a coincidence. Does anybody who has done a battery replacement recently recommend any good brands or vendors who sell a decent battery that I won't have to bend to make fit? One eBay seller who I have contacted says that he normally sells the flat ones, but will provide a curved battery in its place if the customer specifically asks for it at checkout.
It may not be a bad battery, as I had the same issues and I recently replaced my battery with a battery the seller swears is brand new, and again it is behaving exactly like the old battery.
So I am at a loss as to what to try. How do you fool the system into thinking the battery is brand new?
I just decided to check the dumpsys batterystats and it shows absolutely nothing
dumpsys does not give me any information at all, is this a permission problem?
The plot thickens...
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It may not be a bad battery, as I had the same issues and I recently replaced my battery with a battery the seller swears is brand new, and again it is behaving exactly like the old battery.
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Interesting. What time of runtime (screen-on time) are you seeing? Do you remember what seller/store you got the replacement from? Was the replacement flat or curved, like the original battery?
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I just decided to check the dumpsys batterystats and it shows absolutely nothing
dumpsys does not give me any information at all, is this a permission problem?
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Don't try "dumpsys batterystats" without the "grep "Capacity"," else you'll get so much output that the device might freeze and then reboot.
The fact that you're getting no output with either command seems unusual though. I don't know if it'd make a difference for sure, but, out of curiosity, do you have busybox installed?
Yes I have busybox installed, let me go check version.
busybox 1.27.2
I thought maybe it was because I was plugged in but I installed a terminal app get root and check it internally without it being plugged in and nothing, there is absolutely no data.
So I am at a loss as how to fix this. Something is either hijacked the system and is hiding the data or there is no data and the processes that create it have not run correctly, which then means I will have to hunt down exactly what processes create the info.
Any help would be appreciated as I've been doing stuff like this without help for decades and it gets very time consuming to track down bugs for developers that are too busy driving around in their humvee's and flying to Europe to care.
Strange output; are you running the stock rom?
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Yes I have busybox installed, let me go check version.
busybox 1.27.2
I thought maybe it was because I was plugged in but I installed a terminal app get root and check it internally without it being plugged in and nothing, there is absolutely no data.
So I am at a loss as how to fix this. Something is either hijacked the system and is hiding the data or there is no data and the processes that create it have not run correctly, which then means I will have to hunt down exactly what processes create the info.
Any help would be appreciated as I've been doing stuff like this without help for decades and it gets very time consuming to track down bugs for developers that are too busy driving around in their humvee's and flying to Europe to care.
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That's really weird that the command takes, but displays no output. My Samsung Epic (with a CyanogenMod build of Ice Cream Sandwich) simply scolds me when trying to put the commands in. The only time when I can achieve no output (on the Pure Edition or Nexus 6) is if I forget to go root before typing the commands. Are you on the stock rom?
No good, it seems
Well, I received the replacement battery today and installed it. To my surprise, however, there was almost no measurable change in runtime; I charged it up and burned down half a tank with only about 45 minutes of screen-on use! I ran those commands again, and this time, both values indicate a touch over 3000. I'll give it a few cycles to see if things return to normal, but if not, then I'm at a loss. Are there any negative consequences to "downgrading" to Marshmallow?
Unusually high power draw spotted, as reported by Ampere
Quick addendum: I tested again using a program called Ampere, and found that current draw is actually a bit on the high side. Comparing alongside the (nearly identically-configured) Nexus 6, using multi-window, I found that current draw is actually often doubled, and sometimes even tripled.
For example, when playing an HD YouTube video, the Nexus 6 maintained a draw of around 330, give or take a few dozen (fluctuating between around 300 and 430). However, the Pure Edition was between 800 and 1400, typically settling at around 1100 to 1300. Thinking that there may be some kind of software issue after all, I rebooted into "Safe Mode" and tried using the device that way, but saw no perceptible change (at least as best as I could tell without being able to run Ampere).
With that in mind, I'd like to pivot more to a discussion of what kind of power draw everybody is seeing in Ampere under light usage and video watching, regardless of what Rom or kernel you're running. Is anyone else seeing high power draw while doing relatively little?
200-22 was the ticket!
Well, this will be the second time that a weird, untraceable issue wound up being solved by flashing back to stock and upgrading. I installed that 200-22 factory image, took the new update, (October security level) and everything appears to be fine and dandy once again. Runtimes are much better and Ampere reports much lower power consumption (idling below 250ma and light use in the mid-to-low hundreds; which is much less than half of what I was seeing before).
Idle power draw (prior to restoring most of my apps) was holding steady at around 1.4% per hour, averaged over about 24 hours of non-use. And that's without any of the Amplify or Greenify tweaks.
I'll have to withhold final judgement until all of my data and software is restored, but things are looking really good so far. That "Sprint" factory image appears to have saved this Verizon-network-user's bacon.
Update...
Maybe that wasn't it after all. Battery life started tanking again within a couple of weeks after the operation, so there must be some software I'm installing that isn't playing nice somehow (even though Wakelock Detector shows no noteworthy periods of unrest). It's odd because I have almost the exact same software load on my backup phone (the Nexus 6) and can leave that thing in the backpack for days on end without it losing much charge at all, while the Pure Edition is managing to run down at a rate of about 4 percent per hour, screen-off and unused.
While the device is awake and running, Ampere shows an idle power draw of between 450 and 1000 mah, which, while (probably) not as bad as before, is still consistently higher than it should be.
The silver lining to this whole thing is that I now have so little time in the day to actually use the phone that it usually doesn't matter. If I get the chance again, I might switch back to the Nexus 6 temporarily again to troubleshoot the Pure Edition more carefully. There has to be something that I'm missing.
same issue here after updating to NPHS25.200-15-3, i have to charge the phone almost twice as before. looking at apps usage shows nothing unusual. i'm checking battery performance using accubattery
Power use figure?
hagi_mostafa said:
same issue here after updating to NPHS25.200-15-3, i have to charge the phone almost twice as before. looking at apps usage shows nothing unusual. i'm checking battery performance using accubattery
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What's your idle power draw as measured by Ampere?
Bill720 said:
What's your idle power draw as measured by Ampere?
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Check these two shots
Going to have to find the answer the hard way
hagi_mostafa said:
Check these two shots
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Are you running stock rooted? At this point, I'm beginning to wonder if I got a bum replacement battery, since the whole thing just shut down spontaneously on me one day at around 20%. I'll try switching back to the Nexus 6 and start over with the Pure Edition again, this time installing things one-at-a-time (or in waves while making liberal use of backup images) to see what (if anything) is not sitting right with it. The most perplexing thing of all is that I have the Pure Edition configured almost identically to the Nexus 6 in terms of tweaks and software, and yet the Nexus lasts 2-4 times longer.
Even right now, I'm sitting at 4% with about 32 minutes of screen-on time and 36 minutes of background audio playback over about 12 hours. In contrast, the Nexus 6 is at 74% with just over 1 hour of screen-on time and 52 minutes of screen-off audio playback (and yes, I do have an active Sim card installed in it too, albeit on a different carrier). In essence, the Nexus managed to do twice as much with one quarter the power draw, so I know for a fact that something is wrong, either in hardware or in software, and my experiments over the course of the coming weeks will confirm, one way or another, which is the case.
This whole experience really has soured my whole opinion of this phone. I still believe that it's one of the best smartphones ever made, but there's no doubt that it has a serious problem, and I'm disappointed by both possible outcomes. If it ends up being software, then it'll be plain that Lenovo screwed up in a big way to make it so that I could duplicate the same weird bug twice in a row with a fairly common/minimal setup that should not cause any problems. On the other hand, if it ends up being hardware, then that'll be the end of the line for this phone, plain and simple, seeing as few of the available battery replacements don't completely suck. Honestly, I'd have replaced this phone sooner, given how much time it's cost me, but there's just nothing affordable I could go to that wouldn't be a compromise. I guess the dream of "decent smartphone" just wasn't meant to be for any longer than that first year .
Bill720 said:
Are you running stock rooted? At this point, I'm beginning to wonder if I got a bum replacement battery, since the whole thing just shut down spontaneously on me one day at around 20%. I'll try switching back to the Nexus 6 and start over with the Pure Edition again, this time installing things one-at-a-time (or in waves while making liberal use of backup images) to see what (if anything) is not sitting right with it. The most perplexing thing of all is that I have the Pure Edition configured almost identically to the Nexus 6 in terms of tweaks and software, and yet the Nexus lasts 2-4 times longer.
Even right now, I'm sitting at 4% with about 32 minutes of screen-on time and 36 minutes of background audio playback over about 12 hours. In contrast, the Nexus 6 is at 74% with just over 1 hour of screen-on time and 52 minutes of screen-off audio playback (and yes, I do have an active Sim card installed in it too, albeit on a different carrier). In essence, the Nexus managed to do twice as much with one quarter the power draw, so I know for a fact that something is wrong, either in hardware or in software, and my experiments over the course of the coming weeks will confirm, one way or another, which is the case.
This whole experience really has soured my whole opinion of this phone. I still believe that it's one of the best smartphones ever made, but there's no doubt that it has a serious problem, and I'm disappointed by both possible outcomes. If it ends up being software, then it'll be plain that Lenovo screwed up in a big way to make it so that I could duplicate the same weird bug twice in a row with a fairly common/minimal setup that should not cause any problems. On the other hand, if it ends up being hardware, then that'll be the end of the line for this phone, plain and simple, seeing as few of the available battery replacements don't completely suck. Honestly, I'd have replaced this phone sooner, given how much time it's cost me, but there's just nothing affordable I could go to that wouldn't be a compromise. I guess the dream of "decent smartphone" just wasn't meant to be for any longer than that first year .
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after several cycles accubattery shows that a full battery just works no more than 3 hours. in some cases it even lasted for just one hour or less!
so of course there's something wrong here.
the issue has appeared exactly since i upgraded from 6.0.1 to version 7, both official xt1572 asia ds. just flashing boot and system files. no root custom recov or else.
so i really doubt that this could be of a hardware failure. also i'm using the same collection of apps as in rom 6.0.1 so this is not an app issue.
as accubattery shows battery health and power usage, battery health is 80% at 2580mah and power usage is high, something between 500 up to 700 mah.
the only possible cause resides in rom or flashing. i'm gonna try flashing us rom and if the problem continued, i'm gonna flashing latin ds with boot system and modems.
Gratitude for the information
hagi_mostafa said:
the issue has appeared exactly since i upgraded from 6.0.1 to version 7, both official xt1572 asia ds. just flashing boot and system files. no root custom recov or else.
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Good to know. Mine is the North American XT1575 variant, but I'm in the same boat otherwise. The trouble seemed to start almost immediately after installing the new 7.0-based update, so there's a good chance that it's related to this in some way. Mine is rooted, (stock rom/kernel, however) but it's good to know that somebody running stock is seeing the same thing.
hagi_mostafa said:
so i really doubt that this could be of a hardware failure. also i'm using the same collection of apps as in rom 6.0.1 so this is not an app issue.
as accubattery shows battery health and power usage, battery health is 80% at 2580mah and power usage is high, something between 500 up to 700 mah.
the only possible cause resides in rom or flashing. i'm gonna try flashing us rom and if the problem continued, i'm gonna flashing latin ds with boot system and modems.
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I don't think that it has anything to do with the software region. I'm on the standard North American build with the same problem, so the issue (if in software) must be a broader one. I'm going to try to switch back to the Nexus 6 today so that I can start the long process of starting over on the Pure Edition and getting to the bottom of just what causes things to crash & burn.