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Hi all you Verizon Note 4 owners,
I noticed there wasn't an off topic thread for you guys & gals to talk about non-Note 4 related things, so I've created this place to do just that. This will be the only place off-topic discussions are allowed.
Of course, not anything goes, stick to the rules and keep it civil. Report any questionable post(s) & don't let things get out of hand or it'll be closed.
Thanks & Enjoy!
So anyone read theres speculation that Lollipop isnt coming to the Note 4 till may. Im not too worried about it myself cause my DE is perfect, however my wife is disappointed (she has retail version) as some of her friends got it on their phones (S5, and some other brands) and she cant understand what's taking so long, after I explained things to her shes not convinced and feels lile we are being screwed. Ahh the joys life.
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So anyone read theres speculation that Lollipop isnt coming to the Note 4 till may. Im not too worried about it myself cause my DE is perfect, however my wife is disappointed (she has retail version) as some of her friends got it on their phones (S5, and some other brands) and she cant understand what's taking so long, after I explained things to her shes not convinced and feels lile we are being screwed. Ahh the joys life.
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I'm in the same boat as you. I got the DE and wife got retail. She wants some lollipop. I told her she's out of luck and the only lollipop she'll be getting is from me lol
I love the android system but there is one game I miss the most from apple. Fantastic Contraption. If you never heard of it YouTube it. It is an amazing game. I am sure this is probably one of the dumbest question ever but can it be ported to android?
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I love the android system but there is one game I miss the most from apple. Fantastic Contraption. If you never heard of it YouTube it. It is an amazing game. I am sure this is probably one of the dumbest question ever but can it be ported to android?
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I miss one thing about apple, camera+ app. The best photo editing app in existence and the developer "tap tap tap" doesn't want to come to android. Just being an a$$.
Other than that apple is like a bad history for me. lol
I learned a shocking feature on iPhones the other day, if you go into the privacy settings there is a feature in there that tracks your address the time you spent there where you travel to everything you do in plain English and very easily accessible. Does android have a feature like that built in? I hope not lol not that I go any place bad it just seemed a little intrusive. I do know they have GPS and all that but that was really precise.
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I learned a shocking feature on iPhones the other day, if you go into the privacy settings there is a feature in there that tracks your address the time you spent there where you travel to everything you do in plain English and very easily accessible. Does android have a feature like that built in? I hope not lol not that I go any place bad it just seemed a little intrusive. I do know they have GPS and all that but that was really precise.
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I don't know, but we do have a file in the system called "mobile tracker" that is, I think, used to track your phone just in case you lose it. Not sure, but I usually freeze/delete it with titanium back up. Also, if you're rooted, you can always install xprivacy module that prevents anything you suspect.
What's the longest you guys ever went without rooting your devices? I would say a month, I've just gotten my first Android phone (ZTE Warp) and the bootloader wasn't unlocked yet, I checked the forums every day until I seen the almighty *HOW TO ROOT ZTE WARP* boy was I excited. Ever since then I've never owned a android if I couldn't root it but this might be my first time, I'm looking to purchase the note 4 this April or May I only have the option of getting the att&t or Verizon variant (just my luck, lol) most likely I'll chose which ever gets rooted first. I'm sure by either April or May it should be rooted.
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What's the longest you guys ever went without rooting your devices? I would say a month, I've just gotten my first Android phone (ZTE Warp) and the bootloader wasn't unlocked yet, I checked the forums every day until I seen the almighty *HOW TO ROOT ZTE WARP* boy was I excited. Ever since then I've never owned a android if I couldn't root it but this might be my first time, I'm looking to purchase the note 4 this April or May I only have the option of getting the att&t or Verizon variant (just my luck, lol) most likely I'll chose which ever gets rooted first. I'm sure by either April or May it should be rooted.
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I had my Verizon HTC One M7 for a couple months before it was rooted, and even then you had to send your phone away and pay $25. I think a month or two after that beaups and someone else came up with a method that worked pretty well on linux and that was it. Then I had the M8 for a couple of months until there was a way but it also cost $25 and ran directly on the phone. I'm not so much concerned about root, really. I just want ****ing lollipop.
Hey everyone. Trafalger888. Used to be an RC but haven't been around for a couple years. Life happened. Just getting back into everything. Lits of catching up to do. Just wanted to make a quick introduction.
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I had my Verizon HTC One M7 for a couple months before it was rooted, and even then you had to send your phone away and pay $25. I think a month or two after that beaups and someone else came up with a method that worked pretty well on linux and that was it. Then I had the M8 for a couple of months until there was a way but it also cost $25 and ran directly on the phone. I'm not so much concerned about root, really. I just want ****ing lollipop.
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U gotta be [email protected]$!n me! You had to send your phone away? Lol
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You know I wasn't so bothered at first by the lack of lollipop, in my past I was changing roms several times a week or day to get things going however thats changed now since I got my DE. What bothers me now now about the delay and the S6 and other things do I want to stay with Samsung anymore after this breaks or I want a new phone. Is it really time to say that Samsung is just isnt what it could should be?
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You know I wasn't so bothered at first by the lack of lollipop, in my past I was changing roms several times a week or day to get things going however thats changed now since I got my DE. What bothers me now now about the delay and the S6 and other things do I want to stay with Samsung anymore after this breaks or I want a new phone. Is it really time to say that Samsung is just isnt what it could should be?
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I don't know. I have always enjoyed their product. But the delays can be frustrating. I agree. This is the one thing lacking for me. Yet I still continue to purchase their phones, because in the end they still do make the best phone. Just my opinion of course.
My wife has a retail note 4 and while she doesn't understand all the issues tied with lollipop right now she feels dumped. I dont see the big deal myself as im happy the way my phone is however for roms things have been VERY slow going... but then again im not really sure what other roms are going to bring that I cant do myself. Which I think most of us DE owners can do. I think if root was found and oprn bootloader things might be alot different but whats bothering me is Samsung's direction right now. If this is signs of the Note 5 and 6 etc. I just might go elsewhere. Some videos were released today showing the note 4 against the S6 and only slight speed differences in actual use and even camera loading. So over all for now Im happy to have a removable battery and SD card and a unlocked bootloader.
I can imagine how overloaded this section will be the minute root has been achieved, 404 errors and everything, lol. Anyway being that this is a off topic thread, I would like to say that the snow here in NY is annoying -__- .
How about the release of Sprints SM-N910P Lolipop.. Two questions who wants to see what they can do with it and see what works (of course it will lack advanced calling version X. Then comes the question will this influence Verizon to release it.
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My wife has a retail note 4 and while she doesn't understand all the issues tied with lollipop right now she feels dumped. I dont see the big deal myself as im happy the way my phone is however for roms things have been VERY slow going... but then again im not really sure what other roms are going to bring that I cant do myself. Which I think most of us DE owners can do. I think if root was found and oprn bootloader things might be alot different but whats bothering me is Samsung's direction right now. If this is signs of the Note 5 and 6 etc. I just might go elsewhere. Some videos were released today showing the note 4 against the S6 and only slight speed differences in actual use and even camera loading. So over all for now Im happy to have a removable battery and SD card and a unlocked bootloader.
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And yes root and an open bootloader would be nice. Look what happened with the S3 though. But I truly feel that the release and things like the locked bootloaders are not so much the manufacturer but the carrier. I may be wrong but I beleieve that pressure from the carrier is the main reason they do this.
What are the chances of me swapping a one month old Note 4 for a Nexus 6? Good or slim to none
Did you use a regular 2 year upgrade or edge to get the note 4?
Your best bet would be calling customer service. But even that is entirely dependent on how nice of a rep you get. If one says no politely hang up and call back. They make notes on your account when you call so don't call a bunch in 1 day. I work at an authorized retailer and most stores can't do anything after the 14 days.
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Samsung vs. HTC now that some key features are being taken away. Hmm.
I don't trust Android Central reports much. But I don't like this....
http://www.androidcentral.com/end-nexus-2016-google-phones-forge-new-path
I'm fairly certain it is true. Way before, months back, this was a rumor. They aren't exactly killing the Nexus phones but they are killing the name itself. This seems to be true because early leaks of the Sailfish and Marlin had ZERO NEXUS LOGOS on them. Each leak just had a simple "G" on the lower back like where apple brands their phones. Google is certainly going for profit increase here. Think about it, 9 times outta 10 someone says hey what phone do you have and I say Nexus 6P, they've never heard of it. I've literally never had one person who knew what my Nexus 6P was and the next thing they always say is "WTF, Google makes phone and has cell service now??!!" It never fails. Point is, people would be more willing to buy from a company they know like Google than some off brand dubbed "Nexus" therefore, it makes sense to rename their phones the "Google Whatever". I'm sure they'll get more profits.
The only line of thinking I don't like that they're using are the premium price tags. Apparently these phones will be much more expensive than last years 6P and 5X, even for same storage capacities. This is probably mainly due to HTC though, one of the (if not the most) stupidest OEMS when it come to phone pricing.
its nothing to get worked up about, its just a rebranding
are the current nexus phones like our 6p getting the same software though?
If I interpret it right, things are turning more towards closed source for the nexus device. Expect to see some proprietary features...
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It seems Stock Android is beeing ditched too. Welcome to the bloated Google phones (Hope i am wrong)
Hey dudes,
yesterday we have seen the new Android 7.1 Nugat on the new Pixel Smartphones. Whitch features will come to the Nexus Device? Will we only have the new Google Assistent? Or could we get the new Fingerprint Sensor Controlls and Nightshift?
I hope we will see some features for our Nexus Devices. Nexus 5X and 6P are quite good Devices and I hope Google don´t forget this.
Chris.K
According to Android Police, we're supposed to be getting fingerprint gestures in 7.1 alongside Pixel phones.
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Google is laughting at nexus users. Enjoy the Developer preview nexus program to only improve and update the pixels.
I feel Google have walked out the door and slammed it in our faces a little.
Nexus is the red headed stepchild now, pixel is the darling child with a pony.
Give pixel users the support, services bonuses (photos etc) and hardware specific things but Nexus users should get all the software benefits the same inc assistant, launcher buttons and so on and timely updates. We understand they've moved on but a lot of their customers that chose Nexus specifically are still locked into a contract for another 1-2 years and so will be left pining for their attention.
Waiting for an unspecified time in the next 3 months for a developer preview of something the pixel phones have is not a good view of the future.
The Nexus Line won't get the Google Assistent!
Here is a new leak From Android Police.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...-pixel-exclusive-non-pixel-exclusive-changes/
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The Nexus Line won't get the Google Assistent!
Here is a new leak From Android Police.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...-pixel-exclusive-non-pixel-exclusive-changes/
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I am sure this is different for everyone, but the "exclusive" ones I would care about are Smart Storage, Hardware HDR+, and EIS (you can get EIS via customization on current 5x but it is nice to have it supported and easily enabled)
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Pixel product-specific:
-Pixel Launcher - swipe up for all apps, new Search Box, date/weather header on home
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-Unlimited original quality photo/video backup to Google Photos
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I hope someone will Port the Pixel Rom to Nexus 5X/Nexus 6P.
You know, for the longest time I have been thinking that iPhone loyalists were some of the most jaded people on the planet. Then Google came and pulled this out and now I KNOW that Nexus fanboys are right there in that same category. Bunch of whiny babies. They killed the Nexus line because it's purpose has run it's course. They release a NEW line of devices that's aimed at the mass market of consumers (like Samsung, iPhone, HTC, LG, etc. owners) and everyone loses their minds because their favorite toy has come to an end. The Pixel line is an EVOLUTION of the Nexus line, not just a replacement. It's been what they've been building towards since the OG Nexus One. Of course you're not gonna get the same features.
Then everybody wants to ***** about being "left behind" with these updates. When you buy a Nexus, you're guarenteed OS support for up to two years. Guess what? You're STILL getting updates for up to two years. So what, you're salty that you're no longer getting the update first? Too bad. The game changed with the Pixel devices, so get used to it. It's the SUCCESSOR to the Nexus line. If you don't like it, jump ship. You won't be missed. And Google isn't going to lose money over it.
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I'm just hoping that Pixel Launcher will be available. Space for photos would be nice as well, but besides that i'm gonna be just fine. XD
Pixel Launcher is available. The Round Icons come with Android 7.1. I'm just hoping, that we will get the Google Assistant.
"Pixel Launcher is available." Well.. Yes and no. I mean officially like Google Now Launcher
I just buy this mobile phone for 2 weeks ago. I was so thrilled for gesture of finger print and now? Oh my god,
Previous year i bought lg g3 i was like little kid: "omg nice phone oh Lg is great company i will get a new feature in next version of android nice " i says in my mind, but no Qualcomm says we couldn't developed drivers for snapdragon 801 for android 7.0 and gues what? That Why I buy nexus phone. For Next time maybe i will by iphone one, im not fan of apple but what about theirs support? All iphone from iphone 5 since iphone 7 get ios10.0 with same features.... Sorry about that im writing about apple. And sorry for my English im not good in languages.
EDIT: When i was bought nexus I don't knew about pixel phone, maybe its my bad luck
Pixel Launcher, Google Assistant, unlimited photo/vídeo backup and smart storage. Why make this exclusive features to Pixel Phones? These things are possible to put in any phone, hardware limitations are not the problem in this case. If they do this to sell Pixels, what a big failure? I wouldn't buy a phone for this features. Hope they revert their stupid decision and add it to Nexus phones.
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I understand the brand building and making Pixel unique with added value. What I don't understand is abandoning the Nexus line. And abandoning the developer phone concept.
It's like they abandon the developer community in sone way.
People here contributed the google experience through android with many-many ideas. Also many developers use nexus devices to test their product at the first place.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think there opens a gap that needs to be filled.
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Looks like we WILL be getting the fingerprint gestures for the notification shade!
https://www.engadget.com/2016/10/07/the-pixels-release-doesn-t-mean-your-nexus-is-completely-toast/
"The update will also enable Moves: an opt-in gesture-based feature that will open or close the notifications slider."
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We understand they've moved on but a lot of their customers that chose Nexus specifically are still locked into a contract for another 1-2 years and so will be left pining for their attention.
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Locked into what contract? That is a consumer decision, not a Google one.
I didn't get my Nexus from a carrier, no contract, paid for it up front. Works just fine on the same carrier of the phone I replaced it with still sitting in a box as a backup emergency phone.
If I want to spend $649+ for a new phone in a few weeks, then I just get it.
That is a lot of money though... right now everything is on hold as the status of root is, but that is a different decision and issue.
Why is that Googles issue? If people can't afford it, they won't buy it.
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Locked into what contract? That is a consumer decision, not a Google one.
I didn't get my Nexus from a carrier, no contract, paid for it up front. Works just fine on the same carrier of the phone I replaced it with still sitting in a box as a backup emergency phone.
If I want to spend $649+ for a new phone in a few weeks, then I just get it.
That is a lot of money though... right now everything is on hold as the status of root is, but that is a different decision and issue.
Why is that Googles issue? If people can't afford it, they won't buy it.
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I think that he meant plan-wise. I'm still locked to my contract too, but I bought my N5X straight up when it was released last year.
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Google-Pixel-features-that-Nexus-will-NOT-get_id86189 -they said this is official but you never know
How do you all figure nexus is abandoned?! We were promised our updates and we will receive them! Why are so many people crying because google changed the name of the phone?!?! Abandoned is such a strong word and thats a far fetch from whsts happening. We will get our promised updates im so sick of seeing these posts all over xda and g plus! Omfg
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You know, for the longest time I have been thinking that iPhone loyalists were some of the most jaded people on the planet. Then Google came and pulled this out and now I KNOW that Nexus fanboys are right there in that same category. Bunch of whiny babies. They killed the Nexus line because it's purpose has run it's course. They release a NEW line of devices that's aimed at the mass market of consumers (like Samsung, iPhone, HTC, LG, etc. owners) and everyone loses their minds because their favorite toy has come to an end. The Pixel line is an EVOLUTION of the Nexus line, not just a replacement. It's been what they've been building towards since the OG Nexus One. Of course you're not gonna get the same features.
Then everybody wants to ***** about being "left behind" with these updates. When you buy a Nexus, you're guarenteed OS support for up to two years. Guess what? You're STILL getting updates for up to two years. So what, you're salty that you're no longer getting the update first? Too bad. The game changed with the Pixel devices, so get used to it. It's the SUCCESSOR to the Nexus line. If you don't like it, jump ship. You won't be missed. And Google isn't going to lose money over it.
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Sit down Terrance - I just bought another 5x 3 weeks ago and the ad didnt say "support for 2 years" it said "get the latest and greatest first"
Instead what I am going to get is akin to a Samsung Galaxy product with a to be determined watered down version at some point in the future. The Pixel and Pixel Xl aren't successors, they are 5X+ and 6P+ in a new body with software the only defining feature of mention and the doubling of the price, that's the very definition of a screwing
Nice try with the "run it's course" - the pixel phones serve the exact same purpose as the nexus phones - to highlight android or presumably the soon to be ultimate fckfest, andromeda, which will probably burn the pixel owners, assuming those phones even last that long or it's just Moto Gooogle phone v2
Hi everyone. Do you recommend to pass from an LG G4 to a Nexus 6P? Do you think that 6P is still a good smartphone in 2017? Thanks in advance.
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Hi everyone. Do you recommend to pass from an LG G4 to a Nexus 6P? Do you think that 6P is still a good smartphone in 2017? Thanks in advance.
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Personally I would hold off. Seems there has been some quality issues with the Nexus 6p. Have a look at this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/help/boot-loop-death-nexus-6p-t3533528
Even the Nexus 5x has a bootloop of death issue. I'm a die-hard Nexus fan and currently I'm on a Nexus 6 and was thinking of continuing to the Nexus 6p but after reading all these quality issues and Huawei giving bad support, I'm going to hold of. Many of those who can't afford or who can't justify buying the Pixel devices are moving to OnePlus 3/3T.
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Personally I would hold off. Seems there has been some quality issues with the Nexus 6p. Have a look at this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/help/boot-loop-death-nexus-6p-t3533528
*SNIP*, I'm going to hold of. Many of those who can't afford or who can't justify buying the Pixel devices are moving to OnePlus 3/3T.
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That option exist only if you are not Verizon. The OnePLus is not Verizon compatible..
That said, I don't have any issues with my 6P.
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That option exist only if you are not Verizon. The OnePLus is not Verizon compatible..
That said, I don't have any issues with my 6P.
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I don't have any problems with my 6P either but that doesn't change the fact that there are build quality issues with this phone and that an alarmingly high number of people seem to have serious issues with the 6P. If you buy one of these without warranty you are taking a serious chance. I personally wouldn't buy a 6P at this point. Too many potential issues and poor support from both Google and Huawei.
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That option exist only if you are not Verizon. The OnePLus is not Verizon compatible..
That said, I don't have any issues with my 6P.
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I do not know what carrier the OP has but even if OnePlus is not an option, I wouldn't jump the gun on the Nexus 6p. The device is no doubt a great device but as @jhs39 says, there is also no doubt that it has quality issues. Don't get me wrong, I really wanted that device but buying it now when warranty will be limited is a huge risk. Even with warranty it feels not good to know the phone is a ticking time bomb that might stop working when you least expect it. I'm glad it works for you of course but I wouldn't recommend anyone to get it in these day and age. From the stories I've read from the link I shared it seems like Google is pointing on Huawei because it's a hardware defect. Huawei is giving their customers the cold shoulder and the RMA process has been a nightmare. Just that feels disturbing. So that's the reason why I can't find myself choosing the 6p. The 5x is also a ticking time bomb. Really sad that both Huawei and LG messed up on the last Nexus devices.
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I do not know what carrier the OP has but even if OnePlus is not an option, I wouldn't jump the gun on the Nexus 6p. The device is no doubt a great device but as @jhs39 says, there is also no doubt that it has quality issues. Don't get me wrong, I really wanted that device but buying it now when warranty will be limited is a huge risk. Even with warranty it feels not good to know the phone is a ticking time bomb that might stop working when you least expect it. I'm glad it works for you of course but I wouldn't recommend anyone to get it in these day and age. From the stories I've read from the link I shared it seems like Google is pointing on Huawei because it's a hardware defect. Huawei is giving their customers the cold shoulder and the RMA process has been a nightmare. Just that feels disturbing. So that's the reason why I can't find myself choosing the 6p. The 5x is also a ticking time bomb. Really sad that both Huawei and LG messed up on the last Nexus devices.
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Granted I wouldn't buy one without a warranty.
I just did a warranty claim with my Google Warranty. No isses and I had a replacement in 2 days.
Once the current Google warranty gest close to expirations, I'm going to get a SquareTrade plan.
On any modern phone, it's crazy not to have some kind of extended/warranty and damage replacement plan.
Greetings fellow nerds. How's it hangin'
Note to admin, I don't have permissions to create a dev thread. Your move broooh.
Uhhhh so this whole "Wah VZN and I couldn't buy a google pixel in full because I'm poor" has been getting on my nerves. I too can't afford an $900 phone and due to college, my credit history is a burden.
I want to start a discussion on the feasibility of literally opening up a phone, jamming some probes in and directly overwriting the chip to a generic bootloader/kernel.
Maybe you'd have to replace the chip and start with a blank slate, I dunno, but it's a frikkin' rock encased in refined dinosaur crap. How could the awesome might of electricity (in the form of merciless shock therapy) fail against a turd-encrusted sand-dollar? I don't think so.
I just made this account. Hope to see some naysayers in the morning at least telling me the idea is pointless and I'm an idiot so I don't waste my time.
Btw I don't mean zapping a chip, I just meant using one of those in-system programmers. This method could probably never be patched which is worth looking at as an exploit. AMiR?
Anyone notice that Verizon's latest commercial stars the protagonist of Silicon Valley? As if.
I kind of agree but the knife cuts both ways here. Us making posts about devs needing to try harder to unlock the bootloader may just be getting annoying. They know who they are and they may or may not be working on it. I would love to know somebody that knew how to do this or have an understanding of this. Even at the basic level I wish I knew where they even started.
The way I look at it, the bounty for unlocking the bootloader being ~2k isnt enough. This probably takes weeks to do. I would assume whoever figures out the exploits has an engineering degree from somewhere and understands how programming and exploitation works. They can probably make more money in a weeks time than what the bounty will ever be from this site.
It's not the bounty or the money. There is no reason to unlock the bootloader since the Google version is unlockable. And then a new update comes out and it's locked again. It's just pointless.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The best bet for unlocking this, or any other phone, is to keep an eye on Linux kernel vulnerabilities. It's not a magic box, it's a small computer running modified Linux. The tricky bit is if a vuln is found, it will be patched. Is it work? Yes. Is it more effort than it's worth? Probably. Is it fun? If it's interesting to you, then yes!
I think in the end, if you look at it as a mystery or puzzle when trying to unlock your device, it can be fun. If you are wanting or needing extra functionality that requires root, then you should likely buy it direct from Google. In principle I don't like that it's locked, but in practice it doesn't matter too much. I totally understand people not being able to afford to drop the money up front, hell I'm one of em! At the same time though, there's nothing magic about "the devs." They're just people who found this stuff fascinating and decided to learn how to do it. Which means YOU can do it too! Only thing standing between you and an unlocked device is investment, either in money (a google phone), or in time (learn how these things work and try it yourself).
Ok this ended in me rambling a bit. Hopefully it made sense.
Has anyone tried manually flashing an ota update through the stock recovery ? It Should pass signature verification from the locked bootloader right ? If so , couldn't there be a way to fake the signature , so a modified .zip could be flashed on a locked bootloader ?
IDK just asking since I got a Verizon version a week ago . Been on Nexus devices since the Galaxy Nexus . I am pretty upset at my ignorance on not knowing Verizon locked the bootloader on their version before buying.
I'm not an expert but I have some experience modding kernels and recoveries on the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 6
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I understand what you're asking and I too bought a Pixel XL (verizon version) forgetting entirely about the locked bootloader... in all the other nexus devices I've had you could simply download the latest official image from google for the device and simply flash it and youd have a nexus/pixel you could use on whichever carrier you want and not have to worry about bloatware, etc... so I am assuming your asking if you can do just that, simply download the latest full factory image https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/marlin-opr3.170623.007-factory-fc68b6a3.zip and flash it to your phone and will it work or cause issues...... well it simply will fail from the get go IF it won't work.
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Basically what I was getting at is there might be a way to trick the locked bootloader into thinking a .zip file I flash is an ota update when it's really something else . It's the only way I see a route into gaining superuser privilege.
Also I am going to call Verizon and see why they decided to do this. I can't see an answer that they could give that would be reasonable . Hopefully they have the ability to unlock them or push an update to unlock after the pixel 2 is out IDK .
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Basically what I was getting at is there might be a way to trick the locked bootloader into thinking a .zip file I flash is an ota update when it's really something else . It's the only way I see a route into gaining superuser privilege.
Also I am going to call Verizon and see why they decided to do this. I can't see an answer that they could give that would be reasonable . Hopefully they have the ability to unlock them or push an update to unlock after the pixel 2 is out IDK .
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You do that. Let us know what they say. It's prolly just a mistake on their part. They prolly didn't mean to lock them.
LMAO.
mattwheat said:
You do that. Let us know what they say. It's prolly just a mistake on their part. They prolly didn't mean to lock them.
LMAO.
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Id say save your time calling them. They will more than likely give you some ,in their eyes common sense, reasons in the direction of "Its network security" or "we don't want our customers unknowingly flashing a file not meant for the device and bricking their device" ect. Look online as to why they chose to lock the boot loader, because they can get away with it hiding behind network security and watching out for customers.
bsmitty83 said:
Also I am going to call Verizon and see why they decided to do this. I can't see an answer that they could give that would be reasonable . Hopefully they have the ability to unlock them or push an update to unlock after the pixel 2 is out IDK .
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I highly doubt it. They do it for security as well as a control measure when it comes to warranty, returns, and insurance.
You have dishonest people that would do things to their devices and brick them and try to say it's a defect. Back in the day you could load iPhone firmware onto an iPod, brick it so bad their in-store software tools couldn't find the root cause and walk out with a shiny new device because it looks like a defect.
The fact that a nexus / pixel is almost impossible to brick is irrelevant because they arent in the business of quantifying how brickable or not a device is and applying bootloaders accordingly.
The majority of their customers don't even know what a bootloader is.
Further more I don't think anyone in their 3 tier service model will give you a useful answer based off of the point above. Even if you got an answer how will that change what the current situation is.
Frankly I'd figure out a way to buy from Google and screw the run around because I bet you there are people holding out hope for an early exploit like we had on the Pixel which is highly unlikely.
Unless you can find how bootloaders are in violation of the block C rules, this is a losing battle.
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I highly doubt it. They do it for security as well as a control measure when it comes to warranty, returns, and insurance.
You have dishonest people that would do things to their devices and brick them and try to say it's a defect. Back in the day you could load iPhone firmware onto an iPod, brick it so bad their in-store software tools couldn't find the root cause and walk out with a shiny new device because it looks like a defect.
The fact that a nexus / pixel is almost impossible to brick is irrelevant because they arent in the business of quantifying how brickable or not a device is and applying bootloaders accordingly.
The majority of their customers don't even know what a bootloader is.
Further more I don't think anyone in their 3 tier service model will give you a useful answer based off of the point above. Even if you got an answer how will that change what the current situation is.
Frankly I'd figure out a way to buy from Google and screw the run around because I bet you there are people holding out hope for an early exploit like we had on the Pixel which is highly unlikely.
Unless you can find how bootloaders are in violation of the block C rules, this is a losing battle.
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It's definitely not a security issue , if they were worried about it on their end , the network end , I would never have been running unlocked bootloader devices on their network for better part of a decade. There's no reason they can give other than " we don't want people messing with their phone "
I honestly don't care if they hang up on me when I call , but they greyed out a switch and left a message to contact them so that's what I'll do since I guess no one else ever has . I'll laugh if they do unlock it for me ......
Again I was merely trying to suggest ways to attack the problem , I'm surprised there isn't more of a will to over come the problem simply because it's a challenge , not go buy a google version . I did buy a google version , screw Verizon . I'll find a way to unlock it or someone who can , or they will .
Xda has changed a lot..... [emoji53]
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bsmitty83 said:
It's definitely not a security issue , if they were worried about it on their end , the network end , I would never have been running unlocked bootloader devices on their network for better part of a decade. There's no reason they can give other than " we don't want people messing with their phone "
I honestly don't care if they hang up on me when I call , but they greyed out a switch and left a message to contact them so that's what I'll do since I guess no one else ever has . I'll laugh if they do unlock it for me ......
Again I was merely trying to suggest ways to attack the problem , I'm surprised there isn't more of a will to over come the problem simply because it's a challenge , not go buy a google version . I did buy a google version , screw Verizon . I'll find a way to unlock it or someone who can , or they will .
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Them allowing you to run an unlocked device has nothing to do with what they sell. They can't prevent you from using a compatible device if their network supports it and it isn't black listed. That's an FCC rule, plain and simple. Has nothing to do with the bootloader on your device.
XDA hasn't changed, the fact that you think this battle is brand new and we are blazing a trail just shows a short sightedness of the community.
There have been hundreds of petitions created, there have been pushes in various device threads to flood the FCC with requests to elevate the issue. Verizon as well as other carriers have literally had lawsuits levied against them. This has literally been going on for YEARS.
Please tell me after reading all that what calling and wasting the time of tech support is gonna do.
The real funny thing is someone that thinks they can call tech support and simply get your bootloader unlocked. That is hilarious.
Tell me who do you think designed and very likely has the means to unlock the boot loader on your GOOGLE Pixel? Hint, it isn't Verizon.
Verizon didn't develop the patch that blocked the exploit either. So what do you really think Verizon is gonna do to help you by calling tech support.
You want your bootloader unlocked? Get super friendly with a Google Android engineer, get super smart with Android period, or get a lawyer.
Xda hasn't changed, the mobile market has changed and it is making it harder to feel bad for people that buy subsidized carrier phones and then cry about locked bootloaders
Especially when affordable unlocked devices exist. But hey, screw logic. Let's go harass CSRs like their jobs don't suck enough.
pcriz said:
Them allowing you to run an unlocked device has nothing to do with what they sell. They can't prevent you from using a compatible device if their network supports it and it isn't black listed. That's an FCC rule, plain and simple. Has nothing to do with the bootloader on your device.
XDA hasn't changed, the fact that you think this battle is brand new and we are blazing a trail just shows a short sightedness of the community.
There have been hundreds of petitions created, there have been pushes in various device threads to flood the FCC with requests to elevate the issue. Verizon as well as other carriers have literally had lawsuits levied against them. This has literally been going on for YEARS.
Please tell me after reading all that what calling and wasting the time of tech support is gonna do.
The real funny thing is someone that thinks they can call tech support and simply get your bootloader unlocked. That is hilarious.
Tell me who do you think designed and very likely has the means to unlock the boot loader on your GOOGLE Pixel? Hint, it isn't Verizon.
Verizon didn't develop the patch that blocked the exploit either. So what do you really think Verizon is gonna do to help you by calling tech support.
You want your bootloader unlocked? Get super friendly with a Google Android engineer, get super smart with Android period, or get a lawyer.
Xda hasn't changed, the mobile market has changed and it is making it harder to feel bad for people that buy subsidized carrier phones and then cry about locked bootloaders
Especially when affordable unlocked devices exist. But hey, screw logic. Let's go harass CSRs like their jobs don't suck enough.
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I guess I wasn't being clear enough . All I was trying to understand is why its locked in the first place . My Nexus 6 was never locked by Verizon . What if I paid full price outright for it from Verizon ? Why would they care what I do with the phone once its paid for ? What would be the difference if I bought it from google and put a Verizon sim card in it ? You sound so keen on defending the company and their poor hapless CSR's lol .
I don't care about the petitions or any of what your telling me .
I have no interest in lawsuits , simply finding a means to unlock my bootloader .
I could care less if it was htc that designed the patch , or google or apple.
I'm looking to find a way to make it work because it's something to do .
It's about unlocking it , that's it . People on this site used to be about finding solutions to problems , that's all .
Tell me what's wrong with that logic.
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bsmitty83 said:
I guess I wasn't being clear enough . All I was trying to understand is why its locked in the first place . My Nexus 6 was never locked by Verizon . What if I paid full price outright for it from Verizon ? Why would they care what I do with the phone once its paid for ? What would be the difference if I bought it from google and put a Verizon sim card in it ? You sound so keen on defending the company and their poor hapless CSR's lol .
I don't care about the petitions or any of what your telling me .
I have no interest in lawsuits , simply finding a means to unlock my bootloader .
I could care less if it was htc that designed the patch , or google or apple.
I'm looking to find a way to make it work because it's something to do .
It's about unlocking it , that's it . People on this site used to be about finding solutions to problems , that's all .
Tell me what's wrong with that logic.
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So you don't care about fighting the market status quo of carriers locking devices which would be a preventative measure to help all mobile device users. Got it...
You want to know why it's locked and how to unlock it, but can't trouble yourself with asking questions to the right people. Got it..
Part of solution finding is narrowing down all the efforts that have failed or won't work for obvious reason, like calling them and saying why is my phone bootloader locked, calling them and asking if they can unlock it. Yet the fact that I don't agree with that means there is inherently something wrong with XDA.
I mention legal means as it relates to their block c spectrum purchase, you don't want to hear that. Again let me say again you have to make comment that XDA has changed. But yet another path ignored.
I get it now so I will agree to disagree, some people want thumbs up and yes men around them instead of well rounded opinions.
I tell you what. If you call and they tell you how to unlock your device I will Google wallet you 50 bucks.
pcriz said:
So you don't care about fighting the market status quo of carriers locking devices which would be a preventative measure to help all mobile device users. Got it...
You want to know why it's locked and how to unlock it, but can't trouble yourself with asking questions to the right people. Got it..
Part of solution finding is narrowing down all the efforts that have failed or won't work for obvious reason, like calling them and saying why is my phone bootloader locked, calling them and asking if they can unlock it. Yet the fact that I don't agree with that means there is inherently something wrong with XDA.
I mention legal means as it relates to their block c spectrum purchase, you don't want to hear that. Again let me say again you have to make comment that XDA has changed. But yet another path ignored.
I get it now so I will agree to disagree, some people want thumbs up and yes men around them instead of well rounded opinions.
I tell you what. If you call and they tell you how to unlock your device I will Google wallet you 50 bucks.
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I'm not interested in fighting the status quo , no .
I'm into actual software development . Hands on stuff . I'm not a politician .
Your trying to give me solutions to a problem that isn't relevant to my immediate problem. I was looking for software related fixes .
Your too hung up on me calling Verizon lol . It was more tongue in cheek than anything , and it was an edit to my post about finding a workaround to the greyed out settings switch . That was all .
So again if you have any advice on how to unlock the bootloader , which is what I'm trying to do , not fight the man , please advise .
That's the spirit of xda , software development , not "fighting market status quo"
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So what did Verizon say?
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stinger4321 said:
So what did Verizon say?
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My understanding is that Verizon suggested multi-pronged approach, including,
1. Call VZW customer service
2. Hire a lawyer
3. Complain to the FCC independent of your attorney
4. Start a thread on xda
4.1. Generically denigrate the quality and state of development on xda
4.2. Misspell "you're" as often as you please
4.3. Kvetch at xda users, including @pcriz
5. "Thank you for calling Verizon"
I believe that buying directly from Google was never mentioned.
Lol®
micmars said:
My understanding is that Verizon suggested multi-pronged approach, including,
1. Call VZW customer service
2. Hire a lawyer
3. Complain to the FCC independent of your attorney
4. Start a thread on xda
4.1. Generically denigrate the quality and state of development on xda
4.2. Misspell "you're" as often as you please
4.3. Kvetch at xda users, including @pcriz
5. "Thank you for calling Verizon"
I believe that buying directly from Google was never mentioned.
Lol®
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Lol
micmars said:
My understanding is that Verizon suggested multi-pronged approach, including,
1. Call VZW customer service
2. Hire a lawyer
3. Complain to the FCC independent of your attorney
4. Start a thread on xda
4.1. Generically denigrate the quality and state of development on xda
4.2. Misspell "you're" as often as you please
4.3. Kvetch at xda users, including @pcriz
5. "Thank you for calling Verizon"
I believe that buying directly from Google was never mentioned.
Lol®
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Lol.. i figured he hadn't called yet.. just liked blowing smoke in here...But I did unlock my bootloader.... Sold it on swappa... Now waiting on pixel prices to drop or waiting for pixel 2.. meantime rocking my nexus 6 which has more support then the pixel...
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I've called Verizon on the locked bootloader issue when I was stuck on O beta and trying to downgrade. I first called Google because I unenrolled the beta and never got the OTA to go back to 7.1.2. They told me to flash the image but I told them I couldn't since the bl is locked. The rep told me to call VZW to have them unlock it so I called them and the VZW rep was all "wut, we don't fool around with OS, call Google and tell them to unlock it." I called Google and was told they couldn't unlock it. I seriously miss root.