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New OS's in the future?

Everyone LOVES the iphone.
Even though this is a Windows Mobile forum, we all jump at the chance to have swish finger swipey things running on our phones!
Then when someone comes up with bull threads e.g - I FOUND A STRAY DOG WITH A CIRCUIT BOARD LINKED INTO ITS BRAIN RUNNING IPHONE OS AND PS3 CUSTOM SOFTWARE - etc
......everyone gets excited.
I think the Macishness is leaking into our sacred place and confusing our sensitive minds lol.
I am condeming but I am also running that S2U2 on me Ameo.
Doesnt do anything, but looks like iphone and people love it.
I have never really liked apple...............I found that it was for the girls and guys in our offices who have too much cash. Or people who are not really tech savy, and they are just following the fashion. Unless you started image manipulation before PC's caught up with the MACS and now you are stuck using them.
This has been bred into me from years on a Windows OS. I have seen Apple Macs as restricted fashionable PC's. BUT THINGS ARE CHANGING!
I love the swipey flowing BULLCropola as much as the next person.
I think this is where BIG THINGS things will start to happen for us Windows Mobile users, previously there has never been a huge deal of choice for us in regards to which OS we run on our devices. If we wanted full control of our hardware we needed Win OS. Now days, my Symbian Series 60 Nokia N95 (now hacked to newest firmware etc) is (IMHO) a better "touchless" environment than any Win Mo 6 Standard device I have seen (apart from the lack of querty)
I can do everything on this device that I used to do on my old Smartphone but much faster and easier.
The only things I need my win mo ameo for are for work really. I need VGA out, higher res screen (real VGA mode) so I can use monitor properly. I need USB host for mouse and keyboard and that is it really. When it comes to surfing the net, its obviously much nicer to have a large screen but in terms of the ~OS's ability to handle my usage, Symbian, Apple LG etc are really doing a good job.
For the first time in YEARS and YEARS! I am now looking at other OS's for my next device as well as Win Mo 6/7/8 etc.
My prediction?
In a few years, the XDA brand in this amazing forums name will be a throw back to the past. In the same way that it highlights O2's XDA brand as the devices we all had first, in the future it will highlight the fact that we all started off with only 1 OS - Microsfot Pocket PC 2000!
I wonder how many of us are using/carrying more than 1 device now that runs a different OS? Sony's Nokia's LG's etc......
I am sure there has been a poll recently.........

Well! You are expressing your view on behalf of everyone- which seems inappropriate.
I hate iphone- it's a layman's device as is nokia(Symbain OS).
Programmatically & by all means I personally feel WM's versatility to be the best OS.

Nokia's at not that bad. However most of them are marketed to a different market so they are not really the best to compare.
The Iphone is a piece of kit for fashionistas who are more interested in a phone that looks good rather than anything else. It's general backward technology is lame. Edge? Really? Why?
My almost 3 year old Hermes has more tech in it than the 1 year old --aside perhaps the screen. And its software is a current as the Iphone and can be had for less. Go figure.
And let's not even get into third party apps....
So I guess your guess is more like a rant.

Android seems like a good future platform, you'd have the moddability of WM with the end user experience of in iPhone. Perfect!

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Meh
It seems to me that All the Os's are heading in the same direction, technologically and socially.
Camera's
Storage
Fast data connections
Good Screen and Speakers
Input ability.
I find that using my N95 reminds me of my first smartphone.
I am a member of www.symbian-freak.co.uk and the community there reminds me of Win mobile like 8 years ago.
There is a programming language for the S60 called Python which seems very popular and easy to work with, Nokia has a online application signing at present. Due to the rapidly growing number of users I feel that app signing will change in the future for them. At present I have to personally sign any application that I want to run that is not a commercial release.
Now this reminds me of my first SPV canary when we had to disable the certificate checking to allow unauthorised access. It is really REALLY similar, as is the huge list of applications that grows daily, just like when I used to spend all my time here and on www.modaco.com years ago.
Maybe my comparison to the Iphone was a bad one, and I do apologise for making a statement like "everyone loves Iphone" but its the feedback I get from anyone who plays with Safari on the touch or the iphone, no one can say it is hard to use or aggrevating, especially when you compare the same mobile experience with IE or Opera on Mobile 5 or 6.
Web browsing on my V21. N95 is also phenomenal and has full flash lite 3 support.
All the OS's have different stregnths and weaknesses.
I would NEVER have purchased a NOKIA device 2 years ago. I would have laughed.
However, the S60 V3 platform is BIG there are HUGE numbers of users all hacking and developing just like us here. It is now hacked and modable (all security has been disabled), V4 will be a touch screen environment and all the coders and users will be moving over to these new devices and taking experience with them.
I have apps that do many things that maybe the majority of windows mobile users would not believe. I would not have believed it my self really. I have all the streaming apps that I need, I got core player which is as good as if not better than the win mo flavor I got all the Wifi apps, games, god knows what else. There are so many people developing for the devices.
Its the same for the Iphone. Saying that it is a "laymans" device and that it is not as versatile is not the experience that I have had. Once the device is Jailbroken there are many many many apps available and the list is growing every day. There are Multitudes developing and RE'ing the OS...
I think that a lot of the windows mobile users are not aware of the versatility of other OS's and what people are doing right now.
Yeah, I wouldnt buy one(Iphone) for £300 and take on a contract BUT many people would not have bought an original Windows Smartphone running 2000 for probably the same price!
The Iphone is an amazing bit of tech. It is so thin, so light, the battery is great and the screen is great. Yeah, It has EDGE but how long till 3/4g iphones?
I dont think its prudent to compare the tech as it has been packed so well that surely the technology is heading where Win mobile devices are?
I now use my Nokia FAR more than my Ameo but there are things that I have to do on my ameo as the N95 wont do Host USB etc.
As our communities grow larger from year to year, and as more markets become open to these devices we are going to have SO many people "reverse engineering" and "hacking"
I am guessing that there will be more and more killer apps, maybe we will be switching Os's to run these?
Maybe the Hard core users and exploiters will be moving between these devices and moving the OS's between the devices.
Just like "AKSD" says, having modability is very important.
Iphone has thousands of users added to its list every day. The user base is big and growing.
I suppose I was thinking in Cukoo land, expecting things to converge to the point that people are swapping OS's etc especially as Apple etc would not be happy for people to go from device to device but....lol I had a vision....
thinking again, with the open flavor google android......maybe it will be slightly different, maybe different groups of users and developers will all be modding android for their platorms
Just my thoughts.....

Its not so much the operating system on the iphone that is impressive. I happen to have a ipod touch which basically is the same as the iphone but without the phone features. The OS on the iphone is plain and rather boring. What I can do with the HTC touch is worlds more than what most people can do with their iphones. What is impressive with the iphone is the screen. The screen size is bigger than most PDA phones, the ease of use that comes with the screen is impressive. To this day, not one other PDA or phone manufacture has even thought of using the iphone screen on Windows mobile phone. I actually enjoy browsing the net on my ipod touch alot more than any browser I have installed on the Touch (eg. Skyfire, Opera, Piscel, or PIE). Why? Because the screen and the way it flows on the ipod or iphone. Not to mention the fact that the screen happens to be about and inch and a half bigger than most Windows mobile phones. Apple didnt really make a operating system that was better but rather put an operating system on a phone that can handle operations better. I have many friends with iphones that are hacked and their third party software is slowly catching up no where near what WM has. You have to start with the hardware first.

Hope Someone Can Answer This : Why?

an iPod Touch/iPhone can play 3d games, utilise the g-sensor and run smoothly - for example racing games. Tilt the iPhone, the car turns.
Why can't our phones run these sort of games? Or is it just the case they haven't yet been produced?
From what I'm aware a Diamond is more powerful than an iPhone therefore these games "shouldn't" be a problem?
Shoot me down in flames if I'm wrong, just kinda thought there should be iPhone-esque software for these phones now.

I am right with you, i keep thinking the same thing.

Because Apple has crazy fanboys and they provided a simple infrastructure to facilitate payment and downloading (appstore). They also gimped the iphone out of the box so as to pretty much require people to sign up for the appstore if they actually want to use it, ensuring that they have the user base they need for it.
Now the iphone has several million users - how many Diamonds do you think are sold? Windows mobile itself is bigger, but the capabilities of the phones running it vary too much that profiting from making advanced games is as feasible.

I have wondered about this as well. I think the problem is 3 fold
Firstly, the Diamond has 3d and graphics performance issues for sure. Sometimes my Diamond will slow down terribly when running some simple animations. I have read that HTC are notorious for providing poor graphics drivers and this could be part of the reason.
Secondly, I actually dont think Windows Mobile is capable of doing what the iPhone UI is capable of in terms of interactive gaming.
Thirdly, Apple provide your at home developers a great business model to go out and develop great games and apps for the phone. Plus with the Appstore they know that if they develop something good, people will see it - there is only one place to get apps from - and the developer will make money.
For me, the iPhone is not the right phone, but I would love Windows Mobile and HTC to be able to do what the iPhone and Apple can do.

The iPhone has v-sync, so the 3d graphics are drawn smoothly with no tearing and sadly win mo just does not. At least that is what my mate said who is a games developer. The power is there but you just can't get it to the wheels! This just makes it fundamentally unappealing to a lot of developers.

yeah totally agree, i love the diamond, but i've been using windows mobile for years now, and each new model HAS generally got better and better. however the iPhone is just something else.. for people who aren't nerds and into mucking around iwth their phone etc, i could never recommend a windows mobile over an iPhone. its just so much more polished compared to the diamond.
i'm an AMD fan too, godamnit why do i always have to back the underdog

Yes, even though i have a diamond and have had great fun tweaking it, i still can't help but envy the iPhone users for their graphically superior games and video playback prowess .
Another explanation would be that iPhone games are developed solely for... u guessed it, iPhones! ...whereas WinMo games have to be developed to run across many different devices, with (or lack of) accelerometers, touch screens etc. Therefore, to achieve this interoperability / compatibility across the many different devices, compromises have to be made.
That said, there are still gd games for our beloved devices, my favourite being PDAMill, whom develop aesthetically pleasing games with intuitive controls, and they're cheap too.

Nudge.
So all in all, will it become possible? And what's vsync? Portable to diamonds?

I think V sync is something to do with the way images are drawn to the screen, and it is just not implemented in win mo, I don't know if it could be written into the drivers or of it is a hardware thing, but then I don't actually have a clue what I'm talking about! Can anyone confirm this?

vsync actually makes bad performance even worse since it forces the back buffer to wait until right after a screen refresh before it copies its data to the frame buffer.
it's great if the device is capable of rendering an FPS that is higher than the refresh rate, but in the diamond case it's just another fps thief

if you want games like iphone get an ipod touch. The diamond never advertised gaming as a capability. Think of it this way: The iphone is like a mac with mediocre hardware but also comes with a mid range video card. The diamond/touch pro are like PC's with raging motherboard/cpu/ram combo, but bottom entry level video card. You can get a lot done with the PC, but the fun factor lies in the mac.
Go buy virtual pool mobile, it runs great and it's very fun. Its the best pool video game ive ever seen actually.

Simple reason
The reason to me is simple: Apple cares about user experience. Just look at win mobile contacts, or explorer. Do you think this software is made for 2008-2009 hardware? Now look at iphone's ones... Seriously, Microsoft has the power to make good things for mobile users, but they released win mo 6.1 one year ago, which is mainly the same OS that existed in 2003.
Silly we when we buy pocketpc running on windows mobile.

Just to revive a dead thread for quite a good reason..
I've seen a few videos on Youtube and also a few write ups on the wonderful Tinterweb in relation to Windows Mobile devices running and successfully playing iPhone games through emulation.
Is this just simple hear-say or fake ? I've been thinking for a long time about focusing simply on making the graphical capabilities of the diamond better through customising the graphics drivers. That's the main flaw for me.
According to a few posts the graphics card has 64MB dedicated memory.. is this right?
If so, these things SHOULD be capable of running bloody good games but the drivers are just nowhere near good enough. I did hear about changing to ATI drivers - is this right? If so, where can I find the info on this cause I would like to maybe bash at hybrid-combining the drivers and modifying them a bit as to allow maybe a bit more fluid graphics. If you check one of my other posts on the Diamond, I've been complaining about split-graphics. It's really getting on my nerves as I'd rather just see a full picture move around my screen fluidly. None of this "split it up" rubbish.
Cheers

Driver dev
This seems to be a good thread with most/all of the available drivers posted.

well I have been enjoying copy + paste and fully working GPS on my Diamond ever since
now why hasn't Apple offered this so far?
I guess each company chooses their own battles

glumetu said:
well I have been enjoying copy + paste and fully working GPS on my Diamond ever since
now why hasn't Apple offered this so far?
I guess each company chooses their own battles
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Hrrm.. In the new 3.0 SDK update for iPhone 3G and iPod Touch which will be released soon there is copy and paste + redo.. in a very stylish and functional way.
And there will be mms + almost every single function that the iPhone was lacking before + some more.. many, many new stuff for improved gaming, new OS improvements etc.
I watched the presentation on the apple website..

Shoddy_me said:
Hrrm.. In the new 3.0 SDK update for iPhone 3G and iPod Touch which will be released soon there is copy and paste + redo.. in a very stylish and functional way.
And there will be mms + almost every single function that the iPhone was lacking before + some more.. many, many new stuff for improved gaming, new OS improvements etc.
I watched the presentation on the apple website..
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Stuff that should have been released last year. The only reason Apple is releasing it when they are is because people's 2 year contracts are starting to expire, and Apple wants to try and persuade them from leaving by finally giving them features they've been demanding from day 1.
Honestly, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest. I knew Apple would do that.

Heres my question:
Smart phones and windows mobile operating system have been around for something like, oh, 15 years now. Why is it some EMO company like Apple releases a phone (badly I might add) and it becomes THE Benchmark for mobile devices? Its just purely unbelievable to me that so many people obsess over "well the iphone can do this, and it can do that.. I want my ______ to do what the iphone does..." If you like the turd and all its glory so much, why don't you just buy one and get it over with??

the iphone is so easy to use, thats why so many people bought one. when everyone has something, it becomes the norm to judge other things by. think of the model t from ford

Model T?
Confused.com. Is that the foreign (for me) Focus? lol
Anyways, I've looked about and the ATI drivers have given me the power boost I'm happy with. However - My images are still split on the screen.
Still trying to get this fixed...

Xperia versus N97

You heard it folks. The next BIG thing out there should be the N97. Let's make an early discussion about it and how it compares to the x1. I found this little comparison of the two:
http://www.phonegg.com/compare/24/Nokia-N97-vs-Sony-Ericsson-XPERIA-X1.html

Well, what can be observed from N97 interface - and it's almost identical to 5800,
it's sh**t. I would not even consider this one...

No windows ? (no cooking, no apps, no tweaking...)
No thanks

winmo > symbian ?
It looks like the x1 will win in the battery power detail too.

specs wise N97 is just awesome. but i nvr liked symbian...

Palm's new interface PRE is the next big thing

I do not agree with the first statemnet... N97 won't offer anything special over the current symbian devices other than possible high-resolution video recording capabilities. The real challenge would be Xperia Vs. Palm Pre!
I now own an iPhone 2G and an Xperia. When a better looking Google Phone hits the market, i'm going to go after that as well - or maybe if i find a cheaper G1 on sale then that. And in the future... Palm Pre of course!
Anyways... any Microsoft Devices comparisons with other devices should be put on hold. Microsoft is announcing 6.5... lets see what they offer in that - i don't care much about the beta or leaked images and videos out there, but am more waiting for the final version or Microsoft's official screenshots etc.

opps wrong thread.....mods please delete

N97 look good, but i think it cant top thee xperia...

Dumb comparation. Let's compare what we have now with what will be after 2 years )
Nokia are way behind competition regarding hi-tech devices. They recently launched their first touchscreen device, so, please, don't compare them.
Nokia is making devices for the masses, not for power-users. N97 will be a failure.
I wouldn't consider anything except WinMo or Linux. Symbian is sh-t.

memtronic said:
Dumb comparation. Let's compare what we have now with what will be after 2 years )
Nokia are way behind competition regarding hi-tech devices. They recently launched their first touchscreen device, so, please, don't compare them.
Nokia is making devices for the masses, not for power-users. N97 will be a failure.
I wouldn't consider anything except WinMo or Linux. Symbian is sh-t.
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Well I've had Nokia's for the past 4 years and know how it works, now that I purchased an X1a. Man I gotta tell you there's so many retrictions for Symbian users, WinMo is the clear winner over Symbian. Its week 2 for my 1st WinMo device and I still have a lot to learn, so many possibilities with WinMo and on other forums like HoFo, all they can say is WinMo sucks because its too complicatied. Everytime I see that I think to myself too complicated for their caveman brain(me make call, me no use WinMo).

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Well I've had Nokia's for the past 4 years and know how it works, now that I purchased an X1a. Man I gotta tell you there's so many retrictions for Symbian users, WinMo is the clear winner over Symbian. Its week 2 for my 1st WinMo device and I still have a lot to learn, so many possibilities with WinMo and on other forums like HoFo, all they can say is WinMo sucks because its too complicatied. Everytime I see that I think to myself too complicated for their caveman brain(me make call, me no use WinMo).
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I understand exactly what you mean, but I'm not as prepared as you are to jump on the bandwagon.
Yesterday, for example, I popped my SIM in an E71-2 just because I was going to have a fairly active schedule and simply did not want the bulkier Xperia bouncing around and clicking its buttons when it accidentally took itself off hibernation while in my pocket.
And comparing the Xperia and the E71 next to each other, I come away with the feeling that the Xperia asks for too much attention in its operations and management. I keep thinking, "fiddly" as an adjective to describe the combination of Xperia and Windows Mobile.
It might appear to a potential power user that Symbian is not as customisable as Windows Mobile...but IMHO that is because it doesn't need to be. It's already customised to what a power user [sic] would want.
Don't kill me.
It's just one old man's opinion.
I confess that it's entirely possible that I'm getting used to the Xperia, which is my first touch screen device. It's not my first Windows Mobile device, however, and I was delighted with how easy it was to modify the Symbian phone and find programmes for it when compared to my previous device, a Q9h Global on WinMo 6.1.
Having said all that, I understand why somebody would have posted a thread asking about a comparison of the N97 vs the Xperia, because I've found myself wondering exactly the same thing. I think that the majority of users who really have to use and rely on their devices really might be tempted by the N97 simply because it provides the power of a good, solid PDA design with the inherent easy usability of Symbian.
But even if you buy into the Symbian idea, you will notice things about the Xperia that might cause you to hang onto the Xperia instead of running for the N97 when it first shows up. It's pretty clear, for example, that the Xperia's screen will be superior to the N97's, despite the better colour depth of the N97 screen.
I think we're going to have to hold the N97 and see it next to our Xperias before we could say for a definite certainty that we'd prefer one to the other.

c'mon guys...there's nothing to compare obiously...

I had Symbian too. UIQ3 (SE) and S60(Nokia).
Symbian is optimized for a limited set of tasks. The one that the manufacturer think it's good for their users. Well, some users(like me) found that the manufacturer didn't optimised the device for them. I would like more. Now i have WinMo and i'm satisfied with it. I would like to try Linux either.
With WinMo you're limited by hardware only. There are a lot of software developers and a lot of possibilities due to the platform, that you can customize the way you want

i have had 3 symbian phones (2 uiq), 2 from sony and one from panasonic. i changed my w960i (uiq) for the x1. i have found the wm6.1 to be better than symbian but symbian is very good if u need a standard phone with some extra stuff (office/emails etc) but its very hard to add or change the phone to suit your needs. all that being said i think the n97 will be a very good phone but is based at a different area to the x1.
this is how i see it:
Normal phones - standard phones, nice camera
Android / Iphone / N97 - Style phones, looks nice, easy to use, extra apps
WM / Blackberry - Business phones, very adaptable(WM)

Well in my opinion why even bother to compare them as your trying to compare wm against symbian.. well n97 looks and is really great but the OS is making it less attractive as xperia has wm os.. well the os of n97 is restricted as there only will be firmware updates and no upgrades of the rom it self as wm 6.1 > wm 6.5 wm 7 ... symbian os 9.4 is restricted to it self... (i'm a symbian moderator at another forum but i do see this comparing as neutral and bringing forward the facts.. )
well you all probably by this post know where my vote goes..

Um.....am I the only one that is not impressed by the palm pre? I HONESTLY don't like it. Everyone is saying "omg its revolutionary" pffffff. Overhyped much?

HAHAHAHA that resolution is so laughable. once you go WVGA, you dont go back. ICK! especially the pixel grille showing! like a person with huge gaps between their teeth! you cant take your eyes off it! lol

xp1
Well ive had a N96 symbian and one thing is for sure
the phone suite app works easyer and faster then that idiotic active sync bull that microsoft put on the market.
Meanwhile that symbian needs a certtificate to get any illegal or legal software on the phone is frustrating at least
But that nokia bought and now ownes symbyan and that its impossible to get any software on their phones without a certificate made me return to windows mobile
In short nokia is more stable better in their software and just makes exelent phones and frankly is more popular
(See it as mercedes... you can buy an audi with all the trimmings that even drives better but it still wont keep its value like a merc.)
sony's xperia once you have one and you take that awfull active sync for granted it will blow the nokia out of the water
AND.... Dont even get me started about crazy man i harvest sourcecodes jobs and let me decide what you can put on my Iphone that you bought for hundreds of dollars.

I currently have a nokia n95 and i hate it. Worst phone ive ever bought.
GPS is crap.
5mp camera = 5mp of blur.
The battery lasts 4 hours on standby before it dies.
Sound quality in phone calls is terrible.
I've had to reflash the firmware at least 4 times due to it bugging out.
The phone randomly switches itself off every now and then.
Build quality is rubbish the + volume button doesnt work and has caved in.
Can't wait to get my xperia this month

Jumping ship to the new iPhone?

You don't have to read this, you can just vote.
Ok, we have all heard about OS 3.0.
Faster, multi - tasking, A2DP, other bluetooth improvements such as file transfer, MMS, video capture, onboard video editing software included, etc..
The new iPhone to be released end of June is also going to have a few hardware changes. Have heard that it is 16 to 32 gb, that there is a 5mp autofocus camera with a quality lens on back, and a 3mp on the front (compared to our VGA), thinner (of course, pretty much a guarantee), possible bigger and sharper screen, etc...
It seems to me as if Apple has really (unlike MS) done what a company should...analyze the competition (primarily Android but also webOS and RIM), and redesign and improve their product accordingly. They have gotten rid of pretty muh all of the stupid annoyances, made it faster and smaller, and given developers much more access to different system level things for their apps, along with about a million other changes and improvements that you can and probably have read about. I am also really thinking that they will have good integration with things such as facebook, gmail, and outlook.
I really think there will be no question and that it truly will be the #1 device really without any competition. The only competition I can see is maybe something such as the HTC Magic that is thinner, has a larger, higher res screen, and comes stock with unbranded Android 1.5 (such as some of the HTC line up we have seen).
I just DESPERATELY hope that Apple isn't so stupid and naiive as to not put on MORE BUTTONS! Buttons are always better...always having to quit what you're doing and go back to the home screen to do ANYTHING would drive me insane...I love texting on my HD, then pulling up the phone and calling someone, sticking it on speaker, then going back to texting...that's not too much to ask I don't think.
So vote!
As for what I'm doing. I am jumping ship to the new iPhone. If I find it doesn't satisfy me, I will sell it and get the best Android handset I can find. Hopefully something like the Magic, but thinner, having a bigger, more high res screen, and comes stock with unbranded Android 1.5. If no new non - keyboard Anroid handsets are out by that time...Magic it is! (if it is ever released)

im gonna have to see the official specs and the actual device before i decide anything,if what is mentioned is true then perhaps. but im looking more at the Palm Pre than the iPhone, we will see

Ok, firstly MS is doing something about it, they are working on two new OSs at the moment, secondly its not MS that makes the phone, this is the problem and the holy grail with WM phones, firstly its a problem because MS has no say what hardware is used with its OS, this means like its desktop cousin it needs to support many things well and i believe to an extent it achieves this, but it doesnt excel at any of them. Its the holy grail because with the Iphone, you get 1 phone, 1 set of gear, 1 design for every possible usage, with WM devices you get exactly what you want because you have the choice to choose different phones, different specs and design for your needs.
Im leaving out Android here for 1 reason, it sucks, no no hear me out, apple has a HUGH following with its iPods which translate in to potential iPhone sales, android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good but its an alternative to the evil of Microsoft and ties of Apple which makes then appeal to others and thats fair enough, its a market as good as any.
But here is the reason ill be sticking with my Microsoft Windows Mobile based PDA, it works, it works fairly quick, it looks as good as an iPhone and i can install pretty much anything i want on it. Weres Tomtom for android or the Iphone? where is memory Map? where is the ease of use when syncing with Outlook? wheres Igo8? core player? world card mobile? the various language programs? all my security and tracking programs, the million and 1 apps available on the net, free or paid that have a propper support base if it all goes wrong, data retrivel?
some of those i use every day, i use many others every day, and yes there may be alternatives for some, but unless i can get them ALL working on one of the other two devices ill not change because i need them all and thats as simple as it gets.
With a desktop OS you can dual boot or virtual PC it, an thats fine if thats your thng, but you cant do that at the moment on the PDA and even if you could i doubt i would because its a hassle i can do without, WM works and works well enough and im sure its only going to get better.

And what will be the screen resolution of new iPhone?
Current iPhone is a no go for me - with such low screen resolution reading eBooks and surfing the internet is really, really bad.

Waiting eagerly for the new iPhone so definitely jumping ship...
I've got a Mac and syncing is nearly impossible. I've tried all sort of apps but none worked perfectly. I really need to sync address book and calendar and I've had enough of transferring mp3 files one by one, artwork not working etc etc.
the mp3 function is very important for me and the iPhone is perfect for that.
only problem I've got is I don't like the iPhone's current design. It's so 2 years ago. Hopefully they'll come up with a nice sleek design.

Why are Windows Mobile Apps falling behind IPhone ones?
One of the things that has always interest me when making such a decision is: What do developers think? How do they view developing for iPhone versus for winmo platform?
To gain insight into the thinking of developers, including some rather big names in winmo application development, you guys might want to read these extremely interesting threads:
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/ed...s-mobile-apps-falling-behind-iphone-ones.html
and
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=6481405#post6481405

dazza9075 said:
Ok, firstly MS is doing something about it, they are working on two new OSs at the moment, secondly its not MS that makes the phone, this is the problem and the holy grail with WM phones, firstly its a problem because MS has no say what hardware is used with its OS, this means like its desktop cousin it needs to support many things well and i believe to an extent it achieves this, but it doesnt excel at any of them. Its the holy grail because with the Iphone, you get 1 phone, 1 set of gear, 1 design for every possible usage, with WM devices you get exactly what you want because you have the choice to choose different phones, different specs and design for your needs.
Im leaving out Android here for 1 reason, it sucks, no no hear me out, apple has a HUGH following with its iPods which translate in to potential iPhone sales, android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good but its an alternative to the evil of Microsoft and ties of Apple which makes then appeal to others and thats fair enough, its a market as good as any.
But here is the reason ill be sticking with my Microsoft Windows Mobile based PDA, it works, it works fairly quick, it looks as good as an iPhone and i can install pretty much anything i want on it. Weres Tomtom for android or the Iphone? where is memory Map? where is the ease of use when syncing with Outlook? wheres Igo8? core player? world card mobile? the various language programs? all my security and tracking programs, the million and 1 apps available on the net, free or paid that have a propper support base if it all goes wrong, data retrivel?
some of those i use every day, i use many others every day, and yes there may be alternatives for some, but unless i can get them ALL working on one of the other two devices ill not change because i need them all and thats as simple as it gets.
With a desktop OS you can dual boot or virtual PC it, an thats fine if thats your thng, but you cant do that at the moment on the PDA and even if you could i doubt i would because its a hassle i can do without, WM works and works well enough and im sure its only going to get better.
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1. We all know MS is doing something about it. But we also all know that virtually all MS products suck. We also all know that MS is SLOOOW...therefore (like I said), by the time winmo 7 is released, it will already be behind. It will be released around 3rd quarter 2010...that's ridiculous. Another year from now Android will no longer be so new, and Apple will have put out something entirely new as they know ppl will be getting tired of iPhone by then. Not to mention what RIM and Nokia will be doing.
2. Where is the basis that Android sucks? It is faster than WM, that much is for sure. It is also more customizable. It is more modern. 3rd party app support does not make an OS good or bad....your argument that they suck cuz they don't have apps is no good to me. Sure it can make or break the success of the OS but...that's got nothing to do with the OS itself. Android has a LOT on WM and WM has...virtually nothing on Android. It looks ancient, it runs ancient, and it's that simple. I think we can all agree on that last line there.
3. "android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good"
- Gotta admit that you really lost me there.
4. Windows Mobile is in fact rather slow, even on good hardware with good drivers.
5. Windows Mobile crashes all the time even fresh after a hard reset, no apps installed, on an official ROM (just like the desktop Windows!)
6. iPhone has better syncing solutions that ActiveSync and Outlook.
7. Just FYI to all reading this...I am a Windows user and have been for years (all my life). I am not an outsider looking in and criticizing Windows w/o due reason and experience. I recently installed OSX86 on my PC however and...it truly is really nice. MS sucks. Bottom line, and there is really no avoiding it.
8. All OS's have pro's and cons. There are just as many if not more arguments against all your arguments for Windows Mobile. My point is simply that the new iPhone truly is a lot better than any Windows Mobile device running the latest WM 6.5.
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And what will be the screen resolution of new iPhone?
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No kidding. Couldn't agree more. Coming from a Touch HD and having looked at a lot of friends iPhones...their screens look terrible when reading text (altho they do have 16 million colors compared to our 65,000. Side note: Android also has 16 million colors).
Sadly though I have read that they plan not to change the resolution in order to keep all apps usable. I reallly hope not.

It's true, MS does not have any influence on the phone hardware.
However, an operating system's success is not about hardware potential or software potential or about a combination of both: it's about a tangible offer of potentially attractive software which can be easily obtained via a single entry point, i.e. an APP STORE. That's currently the BIGGEST drawback of the WM platform. I love the customization part of WM but it took me ages to get there. Many users won't take that road and therefore go for the iphone.
There's also a lock-in effect to this -> More users to an OS platform means that developing for that platform gets attractive, thus attracting developers and making the apps offer even more powerful. That in turn increases the chances of attracting new users to the platform, etc.
Honestly, considering all this, do you really a 50 megapixel camera or a nVidia Geforce 8800 GTX in your phone ?? What about all the already hidden potential in your phones which never gets explored because developers and users do not get a realistic chance to discover all of its limitations ?

I'm pretty sure that the new iPhone does not support multi-tasking, you're still stuck to doing one thing at a time. I believe Apples official unofficial stand on it is that they spent way too much time and money on their failed push notifications, and they're not going to allow multi-tasking. (Apple does not like to say it's wrong...and if they would release multi-tasking, I'm sure they'll call it something else, and put a patent on it for no reason).

You know what...
I just love the WM and WM based devices.
They have ALL i need
They are fully customizable and have fully multitasking support.
With iPhone, you will get what it is, and you will get stucked with iTunes and online store
Many iPhone apps (though looks amazing) are not so usable
I just need functionality much more then a great user interface
Peace all

Well i won't go for the Iphone i have my HD and i'm stuck on it to change something that good you need to buy something "special" and from the looks of it the new Iphone will be a bit better than the last one so why do i give a great amount of money to switch to something "a bit" better.Let's see Palm Pre and other Android devices now the market will be devided not only for WM an Iphone but Android and Palm OS also so i won't hurry to go for the new stuff as you can never know which one is better until you try them for at lesat 4-6 months maybe even more....so let's wait and see "newer" is not the same as "better" .

andes83 said:
Well i won't go for the Iphone i have my HD and i'm stuck on it to change something that good you need to buy something "special" and from the looks of it the new Iphone will be a bit better than the last one so why do i give a great amount of money to switch to something "a bit" better.Let's see Palm Pre and other Android devices now the market will be devided not only for WM an Iphone but Android and Palm OS also so i won't hurry to go for the new stuff as you can never know which one is better until you try them for at lesat 4-6 months maybe even more....so let's wait and see "newer" is not the same as "better" .
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I really think it is going to be more than "a bit better".
As you saw there are hundreds of features and fixes in the new OS, plus new hardware changes such has considerably better CPU, double the RAM, better camera, thinner etc..

iori said:
You know what...
I just love the WM and WM based devices.
They have ALL i need
They are fully customizable and have fully multitasking support.
With iPhone, you will get what it is, and you will get stucked with iTunes and online store
Many iPhone apps (though looks amazing) are not so usable
I just need functionality much more then a great user interface
Peace all
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iori,
There are lots of misconceptions about iPhone, so I don't blame you for having incomplete or wrong information.
iPhone is extremley customizable too, and you too can have multitasking once jailbroken. Therefore, you do not get what it is - you get what you want it to be. You don't get stucked with iTunes and online store. You get the benefit but you can also get things outside iTune and online store.
Whoever gives you the idea that the iPhone aplls are not useable does not know what he is talking about. When app store was first available, many low quality applications did get listed. Not anymore. Whether you're an advanced IT network adminstrator, sales executives, finance director, web site marketer, shipping agent, there are really nice applications for you. Trust me on this one. Don't just anyhow believe people who tells you that iPhone is just a toy and winmo is for corporate use. iPhone can be as corporate as you want it to be.
Cheers.

Anyway, iPhone is still quite poor on the GPS domain.
6 or 7 apps (park lane, radar, around me, traffic, etc) to do all that my iGO can natively do... and still no turn-by-turn soft buyable on the iPhone.
I want a real all in one, and neither the actual iPhone or the next one won't be a real one. My friends who own an iphone have all get a specific GPS, and well, everything's said...

Roupette said:
Anyway, iPhone is still quite poor on the GPS domain.
6 or 7 apps (park lane, radar, around me, traffic, etc) to do all that my iGO can natively do... and still no turn-by-turn soft buyable on the iPhone.
I want a real all in one, and neither the actual iPhone or the next one won't be a real one. My friends who own an iphone have all get a specific GPS, and well, everything's said...
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Yes, that's tue still. If you're in US, there is an application called G-Map, which on the surface looks quite decent, but nothing outside US yet. However, this is expected to change with Firmware 3.0. The reason why there was none in the past was because Apple did not allow any such application, thanks to their stupid policy. Respectable company like Tom Tom would of course refuse to release it into the "underground" cydia store. With the policy change by Apple, TomTom is expected there soon.
I'm all for having everything in one device too, and GPS has been a sore point for me. The other sore point is the fixed battery, but that I can accept because iPHone's battery life is not bad.

1, im sorry but your statment about everything MS produces are rubbish, is in fact rubbish, i cant comment what you do with your PC / Mobile but i rarely have system crashes, on my mobile i cant even remember the last time i was forced to do a hard reset, on my desktop im using one of the most stable OSs ive ever used and its BETA! I do agree it takes them time to produce the software and i do agree that in the past SOME of their projects are flakey but not all.
"2. Where is the basis that Android sucks?"
You miss the point of an OS here, if nothing good works on an OS NO ONE will use it, its that simple, If i cant use the programs i need then that OS is useless to me, it may have a place in the linux following groups who challenge everything MS and claim to be better than everything else but in the real world if i cant use what i want to use its useless. MS also has a massive software base including various distribution sites, some free some not, everything is cated for. Android looks no better than my WM device with Touch flo, its no quicker, i know this because i have both of them sitting in front of me.
Because something is more modern doesnt make it good, take the Pentium 4 over Pentium 3 as an example. but i agree android IS more customizable
"Android has a LOT on WM and WM has...virtually nothing on Android"
Really? a LOT is a big statement that i bet you cant quantify with factual information and not hand back subjective reviews and "feelings" about things.
"It looks ancient,"
The core OS does yes, but tell me, is android not a Shell over a command line? i believe it is, So technically the core OS on android looks crap too but thats just nit picking!
"it runs ancient"
that makes no sence, only and new programs work on it fine, quick and responsive so what makes an OS ancient?
3. "android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good"
- Gotta admit that you really lost me there.
Ah yes i was refering to Linux and its intresting cult of followers but i retract that statement as it was below the belt.
"4. Windows Mobile is in fact rather slow, even on good hardware with good drivers."
nope, it isnt to me, graphics wise its slow compared to hardware excelerated devices, whats bizzar is that the phone can still pump out ok graphics on its CPU and still multi task, if qualcomm released graphics drivers for many of the 7xxx based chipsets i think you will find a near perfect device. but even without that it works....just!
"5. Windows Mobile crashes all the time even fresh after a hard reset, no apps installed, on an official ROM (just like the desktop Windows!)"
I really cant comment, since WM2002 ive not had that on a multitude of different devices. and Windows doesnt do that either, perhaps the common denominator here is the user.
"6. iPhone has better syncing solutions that ActiveSync and Outlook."
quantify please?
"7. Just FYI to all reading this...I am a Windows user and have been for years (all my life). I am not an outsider looking in and criticizing Windows w/o due reason and experience. I recently installed OSX86 on my PC however and...it truly is really nice"
I too have used Linux, OSX and all the different versions of Windows and they have there places i do agree that in different markets different OS's suit different people. but tell me which one of those is the best for all markets all be it perhaps not as good as the other OS's designed for those markets?
"MS sucks. "
you lose all credibility with that statment attact a spacific product if you choose but to say Apple sucks or MS sucks is crazy and wrong.
"Bottom line, and there is really no avoiding it.
8. All OS's have pro's and cons. There are just as many if not more arguments against all your arguments for Windows Mobile. My point is simply that the new iPhone truly is a lot better than any Windows Mobile device running the latest WM 6.5."
You started off well there, but lost it at the end, PROVE to me that the new OS is better on the Iphone? without using speculation and subjective views an opinions.
I believe MS will be increasing the colour depth on the new devices but i doubt it will make any significate difference, except in its speed. what the WM based devices need is some new tech that uses resistive screens without the 70% (about that) loss of light, that in turn would increase battery life. Dont say capacitive screens, a stylus can be very useful, but definitely a combination of the two somehow.

there are 3 killers for me with the iphone
1. no gps (it has a chip but nothing other than gimmickey apps for it)
2. resolution too small
3. no multi tasking - if I can't listen to mp3's while driving on my bluetooth stereo whilst having TomTom tell me where to go its no good.
Now we know that the new iPhone is gonna ship with TomTom but unless they sort the other 2 issues I wont even be looking at it, let alone ditching my beloved HD.

lancemate said:
there are 3 killers for me with the iphone
1. no gps (it has a chip but nothing other than gimmickey apps for it)
2. resolution too small
3. no multi tasking - if I can't listen to mp3's while driving on my bluetooth stereo whilst having TomTom tell me where to go its no good.
Now we know that the new iPhone is gonna ship with TomTom but unless they sort the other 2 issues I wont even be looking at it, let alone ditching my beloved HD.
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Hi Lancemate,
How do we know that the new iPhone is gonna ship with Tom Tom? I must have missed that information somewhere.
I'm too disappointed with Steve Jobs for not providing multitasking. So, looks like we still have to jailbreak to get that.
HD's resolution is very nice. No doubt about it. Although vast majority of the applications (phone, weather, music player for example) would not really miss this. Web surfing is in my mind a leading exception, as it would be nice to be able to clearly read the font without zooming in. It is for me a compromise, although an acceptable one for myself. I guess one has to take everything into account (multitouch vs resistive, number of applications available, speed, smoothness, stability, user interface, etc) and decide for oneself if such a compromise is worth it.

its all over the internet mate and has been for a while
example
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._0_app_highlights_tomtom_gps_line_6_more.html

lancemate said:
its all over the internet mate and has been for a while
example
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._0_app_highlights_tomtom_gps_line_6_more.html
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I'm aware Tom Tom and Navigon will be available, but as separate purchase rather than being shipped with the phone. Guess I misunderstood what you said. Thanks anyway.

[Angry] Multitasking on Android is totally rubbish!

This is just so annoying.
I was playing a game on FPSE during the lunch break. At 13:30, back to work, did not have the opportunity to save my game. Nevermind, I just put the telephone on screen saver / lock screen so that I can continue later, after the work.
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Meanwhile I received a text. Fine, I can read it and possibly answer to it... Android is supposed to hadle multitask rather well after all.
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Pwned.
After texting, back to FPSE, just to check and make sure that it's still on... Just to notice that the app has been killed by Android...
This is sooo annoying. It's supposed to be mobile phone specialized in gaming. You should be able to interrupt your game to answer a call or a message!!!
I previously owned a Nokia N8 Powered by Symbian^3. It was much much more efficient. Could lauch many apps without worrying of the multitaking. Apps where running in the background, not simply killed by the OS...
Any similar experience to share guys? (or solution, but I doubt there is any...)

What you are experiencing is the brilliant idea of putting a small amount of ram into a android gaming phone (well thought out, Sony). When the ram is low and another app needs to use that ram, Android will automatically kill another app to claim free ram. The problem Android has is it uses Java as the base programming language. The problem with Java is it is a resource hog and totally steals as much ram as possible...see the problem yet? Also, the problem Sony has is that they are stupid.
And now for the reasons. Google choose Java as the base because of its popularity and ease of use for noobs at programming, which is also why there are so many bad apps in the Google Market compared to the iphone. While this was a smart choice for Google at the time to help accelerate their market growth to help catch up with the ios market, it's now a problem they'll always have as a consequence to that choice. To counter this problem of having a horrible base program language android phones constantly needs to have ridiculous specs in order to have comparable performance to the iphone (quad core, gig of ram, phones anyone?).
So there you have it, the core and unavoidable problem with Android. An operating system so inefficient that it warrants quad cores with close to pc specs (That is amazingly bad). So bad that they must've been really high when the folks at Sony thought it was a good idea that a GAMING phone would only need a single core with crap ram. Well played.

So what you are saying is, the entire Android platform is garbage because you made that decision with a garbage phone? Try multitasking on the SG3, then come back. Or, go deal with the fake multitasking of iOS.

you can try supercharger, n use multitasking choice, that's the best multitasking option that i ever try, altough it will makes your free RAM under 70 MB, but multitasking is very great....

DubleJayJ said:
So what you are saying is, the entire Android platform is garbage because you made that decision with a garbage phone? Try multitasking on the SG3, then come back. Or, go deal with the fake multitasking of iOS.
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All I'm saying is Android is inefficient. This is generally known and Google has been constantly criticized because of it. Going back to my point, this is why manufactures are pushing out quads on their phones.

@cityhunter62
@coreyon
So, why are you even here?

narflynn619 said:
@cityhunter62
@coreyon
So, why are you even here?
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I provided information on the problem...? I think a better question would be why are YOU here? You didn't provide anything on this thread.

just wonder if V6 supercharger bulletproof app might help?

Tje great thing about android is that normally there is an app for whatevet you need or a flashable zip or a script ect so it just takes a quick search and abitta time and you could be tip top and there's allways the quick save feature in fpse
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narflynn619 said:
@cityhunter62
@coreyon
So, why are you even here?
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Coreyon answered to my question and I thank him for that. Now I understand why multitasking does not work on Android, or at least on Android phones with few ram. Still, N8 had 256mb ram but handled multitasking perfectly.
Anyway, mathacer and foryou168 gave some advices that might be helpful. I had some answers, that was the point of this thread...
I'm sure I'm not the only one who experienced that kind of problem...

coreyon said:
All I'm saying is Android is inefficient. This is generally known and Google has been constantly criticized because of it. Going back to my point, this is why manufactures are pushing out quads on their phones.
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Inefficient because it ran out of RAM? OEM's are pushing for quads because the software and Linux foundation is the most advanced out there. No other mobile is has such supreme multitasking and such a myriad of emulation apps.
Enable zRAM or use a swap partition if you expect this low-RAM device to keep a 32-bit-era console emulator in the background while doing phone functions.
Or get a tablet for gaming. Its still just a smartphone dude.
Or get an iPhone.
Or learn development and help the "horrible android" to be better.
Sent from Xperia Play (R800a) with Tapatalk

Just don't say that android is rubbish,.. it's awesome.. And it's open.. we can customize our phone to our need... that's make it different..
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Android is insufficient, but on my Galaxy S3 samsungs multitasking is absolutely terrible for 1GB, but now once I flashed the Multitaskingfix I have to say its like multitasking on a 2GB android device, I love it! and in the latest leak (with Multi view, etc) XXELK4 4.1.2 the ram used is almost half of what is used on 4.1.1, Love you samsung! can't say that about Sony, but Xperia play will always be with me until I get use to Touch screen gaming.

For everyone that somehow got offended when I said Android is inefficient, please read on. Android IS inefficient, but that does not mean it's a bad operating system. I personally use it myself. It's certainly better than ios with Apples lockdown. The great positives of Android is that it uses the Linux kernel which is very advanced, and the entire operating system itself is very customizable (partly thanks to java it self).
Now with that said, like I've mentioned I don't know how many times now, it will always have a problem as apps and games become more and more advanced; there will always be the new apps that pushes the hardware to a new level and with the Android overhead will cause it to be slower than it could be. A good example of this is how Minecraft (with its amazingly bad graphics) on the PC needs Crysis-like specs to play with good fps on a PC. That's ridiculous, and it's because the game runs in Java. I know there is Minecraft for Android, but let's be honest it's a very very small map that barely has any of the pc gameplay, otherwise the phone would explode. However, just like Android, even with Minecraft's horrible lag issues it is still an awesome game, and is very easy to customize the game which is also very awesome. Does everyone understand my point now?
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Or learn development and help the "horrible android" to be better.
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I AM a developer, and I have had the pleasure of struggling with Java's limitation on a multiple array of platforms. I do know what I'm talking about, it's a well known issue.

I'm personally suprised Java is still alive
Thought it would have died years ago because java programs would be slow as molasses/bog down any PC.
So I'm surprised it actually runs decently on phones... tho the phones are more powerful than PCs from a few years ago lol
And yeah, its' the same old cycle.
Software always gets bloated as hardware specs increase so it's tough to get ahead - kinda like how inflation negates pay raises

coreyon said:
I AM a developer, and I have had the pleasure of struggling with Java's limitation on a multiple array of platforms. I do know what I'm talking about, it's a well known issue.
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I can agree from my experience with Java software, especially the security concerns. I heard a saying: hell is a world where Java is the only programming language. I'm more annoyed by Google trying to do things different and separating itself from Linux standard.
I have to say you are very lucky to present your thoughts here, if this was a Nexus forum all hell would break loose. The Nexus fanboys are relentless.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

eksasol said:
I can agree from my experience with Java software, especially the security concerns. I heard a saying: hell is a world where Java is the only programming language. I'm more annoyed by Google trying to do things different and separating itself from Linux standard.
I have to say you are very lucky to present your thoughts here, if this was a Nexus forum all hell would break loose. The Nexus fanboys are relentless.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
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Aha, I should've made a thread for this. This went way off topic from the original purpose of the thread.

JAVA OS?
I thought IOS apps were Java also?
Either way, they have similar "multitasking", except that the programmer can control how an Android app "moves through the states" (ie. from pause when its in background to being killed) so if the FPSE programmers took advantage of the power of Android OS, they could have set the game to do a save as it was killed...
In fact, Android AUTOMATICALLY dumps some of the programs memory when killed involuntarily (the OS needs more RAM) so really, all the programmer needs to do is check to see if there is a bundle already there when the programs oncreate() is (re)called - if so, then resume!
developer[dot]android[dot]com/training/basics/activity-lifecycle/recreating.html
For the record I hate Java, and more so - ECLIPSE (Java IDE that was also itself made in Java) makes me want to shoot myself in the face whilst listening to Enya and letting spiders crawl on my testicles.

Hicsy said:
I thought IOS apps were Java also?
Either way, they have similar "multitasking", except that the programmer can control how an Android app "moves through the states" (ie. from pause when its in background to being killed) so if the FPSE programmers took advantage of the power of Android OS, they could have set the game to do a save as it was killed...
In fact, Android AUTOMATICALLY dumps some of the programs memory when killed involuntarily (the OS needs more RAM) so really, all the programmer needs to do is check to see if there is a bundle already there when the programs oncreate() is (re)called - if so, then resume!
developer[dot]android[dot]com/training/basics/activity-lifecycle/recreating.html
For the record I hate Java, and more so - ECLIPSE (Java IDE that was also itself made in Java) makes me want to shoot myself in the face whilst listening to Enya and letting spiders crawl on my testicles.
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I don't touch ios even with a 50 foot pole, but I'm pretty sure ios apps don't use Java. Even if they did, the core operating system doesn't, and that's enough to make a huge impact difference in performance.

I heard about some developer porting Android to C+. By passing all those legal issues with Microsoft, if Android ran on C+ wouldn't it fix all the lag much like Project Butter has and evidently fixed the incredible RAM usage by the device?