You heard it folks. The next BIG thing out there should be the N97. Let's make an early discussion about it and how it compares to the x1. I found this little comparison of the two:
http://www.phonegg.com/compare/24/Nokia-N97-vs-Sony-Ericsson-XPERIA-X1.html
Well, what can be observed from N97 interface - and it's almost identical to 5800,
it's sh**t. I would not even consider this one...
No windows ? (no cooking, no apps, no tweaking...)
No thanks
winmo > symbian ?
It looks like the x1 will win in the battery power detail too.
specs wise N97 is just awesome. but i nvr liked symbian...
Palm's new interface PRE is the next big thing
I do not agree with the first statemnet... N97 won't offer anything special over the current symbian devices other than possible high-resolution video recording capabilities. The real challenge would be Xperia Vs. Palm Pre!
I now own an iPhone 2G and an Xperia. When a better looking Google Phone hits the market, i'm going to go after that as well - or maybe if i find a cheaper G1 on sale then that. And in the future... Palm Pre of course!
Anyways... any Microsoft Devices comparisons with other devices should be put on hold. Microsoft is announcing 6.5... lets see what they offer in that - i don't care much about the beta or leaked images and videos out there, but am more waiting for the final version or Microsoft's official screenshots etc.
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N97 look good, but i think it cant top thee xperia...
Dumb comparation. Let's compare what we have now with what will be after 2 years )
Nokia are way behind competition regarding hi-tech devices. They recently launched their first touchscreen device, so, please, don't compare them.
Nokia is making devices for the masses, not for power-users. N97 will be a failure.
I wouldn't consider anything except WinMo or Linux. Symbian is sh-t.
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Dumb comparation. Let's compare what we have now with what will be after 2 years )
Nokia are way behind competition regarding hi-tech devices. They recently launched their first touchscreen device, so, please, don't compare them.
Nokia is making devices for the masses, not for power-users. N97 will be a failure.
I wouldn't consider anything except WinMo or Linux. Symbian is sh-t.
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Well I've had Nokia's for the past 4 years and know how it works, now that I purchased an X1a. Man I gotta tell you there's so many retrictions for Symbian users, WinMo is the clear winner over Symbian. Its week 2 for my 1st WinMo device and I still have a lot to learn, so many possibilities with WinMo and on other forums like HoFo, all they can say is WinMo sucks because its too complicatied. Everytime I see that I think to myself too complicated for their caveman brain(me make call, me no use WinMo).
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Well I've had Nokia's for the past 4 years and know how it works, now that I purchased an X1a. Man I gotta tell you there's so many retrictions for Symbian users, WinMo is the clear winner over Symbian. Its week 2 for my 1st WinMo device and I still have a lot to learn, so many possibilities with WinMo and on other forums like HoFo, all they can say is WinMo sucks because its too complicatied. Everytime I see that I think to myself too complicated for their caveman brain(me make call, me no use WinMo).
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I understand exactly what you mean, but I'm not as prepared as you are to jump on the bandwagon.
Yesterday, for example, I popped my SIM in an E71-2 just because I was going to have a fairly active schedule and simply did not want the bulkier Xperia bouncing around and clicking its buttons when it accidentally took itself off hibernation while in my pocket.
And comparing the Xperia and the E71 next to each other, I come away with the feeling that the Xperia asks for too much attention in its operations and management. I keep thinking, "fiddly" as an adjective to describe the combination of Xperia and Windows Mobile.
It might appear to a potential power user that Symbian is not as customisable as Windows Mobile...but IMHO that is because it doesn't need to be. It's already customised to what a power user [sic] would want.
Don't kill me.
It's just one old man's opinion.
I confess that it's entirely possible that I'm getting used to the Xperia, which is my first touch screen device. It's not my first Windows Mobile device, however, and I was delighted with how easy it was to modify the Symbian phone and find programmes for it when compared to my previous device, a Q9h Global on WinMo 6.1.
Having said all that, I understand why somebody would have posted a thread asking about a comparison of the N97 vs the Xperia, because I've found myself wondering exactly the same thing. I think that the majority of users who really have to use and rely on their devices really might be tempted by the N97 simply because it provides the power of a good, solid PDA design with the inherent easy usability of Symbian.
But even if you buy into the Symbian idea, you will notice things about the Xperia that might cause you to hang onto the Xperia instead of running for the N97 when it first shows up. It's pretty clear, for example, that the Xperia's screen will be superior to the N97's, despite the better colour depth of the N97 screen.
I think we're going to have to hold the N97 and see it next to our Xperias before we could say for a definite certainty that we'd prefer one to the other.
c'mon guys...there's nothing to compare obiously...
I had Symbian too. UIQ3 (SE) and S60(Nokia).
Symbian is optimized for a limited set of tasks. The one that the manufacturer think it's good for their users. Well, some users(like me) found that the manufacturer didn't optimised the device for them. I would like more. Now i have WinMo and i'm satisfied with it. I would like to try Linux either.
With WinMo you're limited by hardware only. There are a lot of software developers and a lot of possibilities due to the platform, that you can customize the way you want
i have had 3 symbian phones (2 uiq), 2 from sony and one from panasonic. i changed my w960i (uiq) for the x1. i have found the wm6.1 to be better than symbian but symbian is very good if u need a standard phone with some extra stuff (office/emails etc) but its very hard to add or change the phone to suit your needs. all that being said i think the n97 will be a very good phone but is based at a different area to the x1.
this is how i see it:
Normal phones - standard phones, nice camera
Android / Iphone / N97 - Style phones, looks nice, easy to use, extra apps
WM / Blackberry - Business phones, very adaptable(WM)
Well in my opinion why even bother to compare them as your trying to compare wm against symbian.. well n97 looks and is really great but the OS is making it less attractive as xperia has wm os.. well the os of n97 is restricted as there only will be firmware updates and no upgrades of the rom it self as wm 6.1 > wm 6.5 wm 7 ... symbian os 9.4 is restricted to it self... (i'm a symbian moderator at another forum but i do see this comparing as neutral and bringing forward the facts.. )
well you all probably by this post know where my vote goes..
Um.....am I the only one that is not impressed by the palm pre? I HONESTLY don't like it. Everyone is saying "omg its revolutionary" pffffff. Overhyped much?
HAHAHAHA that resolution is so laughable. once you go WVGA, you dont go back. ICK! especially the pixel grille showing! like a person with huge gaps between their teeth! you cant take your eyes off it! lol
xp1
Well ive had a N96 symbian and one thing is for sure
the phone suite app works easyer and faster then that idiotic active sync bull that microsoft put on the market.
Meanwhile that symbian needs a certtificate to get any illegal or legal software on the phone is frustrating at least
But that nokia bought and now ownes symbyan and that its impossible to get any software on their phones without a certificate made me return to windows mobile
In short nokia is more stable better in their software and just makes exelent phones and frankly is more popular
(See it as mercedes... you can buy an audi with all the trimmings that even drives better but it still wont keep its value like a merc.)
sony's xperia once you have one and you take that awfull active sync for granted it will blow the nokia out of the water
AND.... Dont even get me started about crazy man i harvest sourcecodes jobs and let me decide what you can put on my Iphone that you bought for hundreds of dollars.
I currently have a nokia n95 and i hate it. Worst phone ive ever bought.
GPS is crap.
5mp camera = 5mp of blur.
The battery lasts 4 hours on standby before it dies.
Sound quality in phone calls is terrible.
I've had to reflash the firmware at least 4 times due to it bugging out.
The phone randomly switches itself off every now and then.
Build quality is rubbish the + volume button doesnt work and has caved in.
Can't wait to get my xperia this month
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Everyone LOVES the iphone.
Even though this is a Windows Mobile forum, we all jump at the chance to have swish finger swipey things running on our phones!
Then when someone comes up with bull threads e.g - I FOUND A STRAY DOG WITH A CIRCUIT BOARD LINKED INTO ITS BRAIN RUNNING IPHONE OS AND PS3 CUSTOM SOFTWARE - etc
......everyone gets excited.
I think the Macishness is leaking into our sacred place and confusing our sensitive minds lol.
I am condeming but I am also running that S2U2 on me Ameo.
Doesnt do anything, but looks like iphone and people love it.
I have never really liked apple...............I found that it was for the girls and guys in our offices who have too much cash. Or people who are not really tech savy, and they are just following the fashion. Unless you started image manipulation before PC's caught up with the MACS and now you are stuck using them.
This has been bred into me from years on a Windows OS. I have seen Apple Macs as restricted fashionable PC's. BUT THINGS ARE CHANGING!
I love the swipey flowing BULLCropola as much as the next person.
I think this is where BIG THINGS things will start to happen for us Windows Mobile users, previously there has never been a huge deal of choice for us in regards to which OS we run on our devices. If we wanted full control of our hardware we needed Win OS. Now days, my Symbian Series 60 Nokia N95 (now hacked to newest firmware etc) is (IMHO) a better "touchless" environment than any Win Mo 6 Standard device I have seen (apart from the lack of querty)
I can do everything on this device that I used to do on my old Smartphone but much faster and easier.
The only things I need my win mo ameo for are for work really. I need VGA out, higher res screen (real VGA mode) so I can use monitor properly. I need USB host for mouse and keyboard and that is it really. When it comes to surfing the net, its obviously much nicer to have a large screen but in terms of the ~OS's ability to handle my usage, Symbian, Apple LG etc are really doing a good job.
For the first time in YEARS and YEARS! I am now looking at other OS's for my next device as well as Win Mo 6/7/8 etc.
My prediction?
In a few years, the XDA brand in this amazing forums name will be a throw back to the past. In the same way that it highlights O2's XDA brand as the devices we all had first, in the future it will highlight the fact that we all started off with only 1 OS - Microsfot Pocket PC 2000!
I wonder how many of us are using/carrying more than 1 device now that runs a different OS? Sony's Nokia's LG's etc......
I am sure there has been a poll recently.........
Well! You are expressing your view on behalf of everyone- which seems inappropriate.
I hate iphone- it's a layman's device as is nokia(Symbain OS).
Programmatically & by all means I personally feel WM's versatility to be the best OS.
Nokia's at not that bad. However most of them are marketed to a different market so they are not really the best to compare.
The Iphone is a piece of kit for fashionistas who are more interested in a phone that looks good rather than anything else. It's general backward technology is lame. Edge? Really? Why?
My almost 3 year old Hermes has more tech in it than the 1 year old --aside perhaps the screen. And its software is a current as the Iphone and can be had for less. Go figure.
And let's not even get into third party apps....
So I guess your guess is more like a rant.
Android seems like a good future platform, you'd have the moddability of WM with the end user experience of in iPhone. Perfect!
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Meh
It seems to me that All the Os's are heading in the same direction, technologically and socially.
Camera's
Storage
Fast data connections
Good Screen and Speakers
Input ability.
I find that using my N95 reminds me of my first smartphone.
I am a member of www.symbian-freak.co.uk and the community there reminds me of Win mobile like 8 years ago.
There is a programming language for the S60 called Python which seems very popular and easy to work with, Nokia has a online application signing at present. Due to the rapidly growing number of users I feel that app signing will change in the future for them. At present I have to personally sign any application that I want to run that is not a commercial release.
Now this reminds me of my first SPV canary when we had to disable the certificate checking to allow unauthorised access. It is really REALLY similar, as is the huge list of applications that grows daily, just like when I used to spend all my time here and on www.modaco.com years ago.
Maybe my comparison to the Iphone was a bad one, and I do apologise for making a statement like "everyone loves Iphone" but its the feedback I get from anyone who plays with Safari on the touch or the iphone, no one can say it is hard to use or aggrevating, especially when you compare the same mobile experience with IE or Opera on Mobile 5 or 6.
Web browsing on my V21. N95 is also phenomenal and has full flash lite 3 support.
All the OS's have different stregnths and weaknesses.
I would NEVER have purchased a NOKIA device 2 years ago. I would have laughed.
However, the S60 V3 platform is BIG there are HUGE numbers of users all hacking and developing just like us here. It is now hacked and modable (all security has been disabled), V4 will be a touch screen environment and all the coders and users will be moving over to these new devices and taking experience with them.
I have apps that do many things that maybe the majority of windows mobile users would not believe. I would not have believed it my self really. I have all the streaming apps that I need, I got core player which is as good as if not better than the win mo flavor I got all the Wifi apps, games, god knows what else. There are so many people developing for the devices.
Its the same for the Iphone. Saying that it is a "laymans" device and that it is not as versatile is not the experience that I have had. Once the device is Jailbroken there are many many many apps available and the list is growing every day. There are Multitudes developing and RE'ing the OS...
I think that a lot of the windows mobile users are not aware of the versatility of other OS's and what people are doing right now.
Yeah, I wouldnt buy one(Iphone) for £300 and take on a contract BUT many people would not have bought an original Windows Smartphone running 2000 for probably the same price!
The Iphone is an amazing bit of tech. It is so thin, so light, the battery is great and the screen is great. Yeah, It has EDGE but how long till 3/4g iphones?
I dont think its prudent to compare the tech as it has been packed so well that surely the technology is heading where Win mobile devices are?
I now use my Nokia FAR more than my Ameo but there are things that I have to do on my ameo as the N95 wont do Host USB etc.
As our communities grow larger from year to year, and as more markets become open to these devices we are going to have SO many people "reverse engineering" and "hacking"
I am guessing that there will be more and more killer apps, maybe we will be switching Os's to run these?
Maybe the Hard core users and exploiters will be moving between these devices and moving the OS's between the devices.
Just like "AKSD" says, having modability is very important.
Iphone has thousands of users added to its list every day. The user base is big and growing.
I suppose I was thinking in Cukoo land, expecting things to converge to the point that people are swapping OS's etc especially as Apple etc would not be happy for people to go from device to device but....lol I had a vision....
thinking again, with the open flavor google android......maybe it will be slightly different, maybe different groups of users and developers will all be modding android for their platorms
Just my thoughts.....
Its not so much the operating system on the iphone that is impressive. I happen to have a ipod touch which basically is the same as the iphone but without the phone features. The OS on the iphone is plain and rather boring. What I can do with the HTC touch is worlds more than what most people can do with their iphones. What is impressive with the iphone is the screen. The screen size is bigger than most PDA phones, the ease of use that comes with the screen is impressive. To this day, not one other PDA or phone manufacture has even thought of using the iphone screen on Windows mobile phone. I actually enjoy browsing the net on my ipod touch alot more than any browser I have installed on the Touch (eg. Skyfire, Opera, Piscel, or PIE). Why? Because the screen and the way it flows on the ipod or iphone. Not to mention the fact that the screen happens to be about and inch and a half bigger than most Windows mobile phones. Apple didnt really make a operating system that was better but rather put an operating system on a phone that can handle operations better. I have many friends with iphones that are hacked and their third party software is slowly catching up no where near what WM has. You have to start with the hardware first.
Hi people. Im about to change phone. Right now i am/was so willing to get X1, but it looks like that that i liked so much about my N series phone was the ability to install plenty of apps and games with no problems at all. It looks like this WM OS and phones with it differ at lot from each other and there are plenty of compatibility issues (ex. the WVGA screen limit5s games a LOT) emulators too (even with the hgher cpu they dont roon as smooth as in Symbian) and hell, a lot more things. i also think X1 screen, because of its 16:9 nature, is small for it being a touch screen....
im not sure few days ago saw nokia N97 and thought THAT is my thing, but wont be able to buy it on summer, only during this month, so cant wait...(i dont live in USa nor EU)
I was hoping you could give your advice about this, i like advance devices and OS, i somehow like WM, but never thought of its limits. NO, i dont want Touch HD nor any other only touchscreen phone. I liek keyborad, better if Kwerty. and even though BB's tempt me (all my friends have em) not willing to pay that much for such limited cell-phones.
Thanks in advance
I thought a resolution change will always affect the compatibility on any device regardless it is running on wm or symbian or android...
I just switch from a iphone and loving the x1.... it feels much smoother than my iphone... but maybe thats because I installed a lot of apps on it to slow the iphone down
you will need a little time to adjust for the new phone... but once you get use to it it almost feel like its just another touch screen with a keyboard for sms/email...
uhm.. thanks for answering...
any1 else???
went from n73 to this...must say im not looking back..only problem is the n73 loudspeaker was stronger..but who cares really
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Right now i am/was so willing to get X1, but it looks like that that i liked so much about my N series phone was the ability to install plenty of apps and games with no problems at all.
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which N series did you have? If we are talking S60v3, then you should love WM in this regard. No signing of any kind or hacking the phone for doing more than just scratching the surface. I left Symbian mainly because of that (second reason being UIQ is dead and I refuse to be a betatester for Nokia's first touchscreen phones) and looked to what I thought was the best OS at the moment.
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which N series did you have? If we are talking S60v3, then you should love WM in this regard. No signing of any kind or hacking the phone for doing more than just scratching the surface. I left Symbian mainly because of that (second reason being UIQ is dead and I refuse to be a betatester for Nokia's first touchscreen phones) and looked to what I thought was the best OS at the moment.
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uhm well yeah that whole signin thing sucked... but still gotta admit s60v3 had way more apps and games than WM...
most of good WM good apps are kind of old and run at resolutions that would mean a ridiculously small display in a corner at Xperia's WVGA screen
I switched from a Nokia N95 and I hold it was the right decision.
The N95 was slow, the slider was poorly manufactured, the display resolution was bad. I even disliked the "registering 3rd party programs before installing"-crap.
Also the webbrowser crashed with nearly all the sites I use and the EMail-client did not do as I wanted.
And although all the functions I wanted to use did not work, the battery was gone after one day.
Maybe I just had bad luck, but for me it was my first Nokia and it definitely was my last!
I was very disappointed with the N95 because I thought I'll get a smartphone but I just got an overprized ordinary mobile phone with a quite good camera and a 3.5mm phonejack.
Now, with the X1, I really have a pocketpc. It checks EMails every 10min, I can install all the 3rd party programs I want, the display is fantastic and for the games that don't work with the wvga resolution, I simply use WVGAfix3 (the 2nd version made a lot of problems with my phone).
I now have a scheduler, navigation system, messenger, pocketpc and a phone in one device.
Of course, I encountered a few problems, but I'm confident they will be gone with the first update.
I stopped with symbian at the Nokia 6310i (what an amazing battery life - thing wouldn't die!).
From then the Prophet, Trinity, Kaiser, Raphael and now Xperia.
Anyway, I think the Xperia is the best so far, and windows mobile definately has lots of opportunities (just past early adopter stage). I must admit, I spend a lot of time tweaking, customising etc - but it's nice that you can do that.
Previous phones were a little unstable, but so far Xperia is 100% reliable. Haven't had any problems (reliability wise). Expensive though, so maybe its an idea to go try both in the store first?
A friend of mine had the N95 (I think) and cursed and swore every day because he was reflashing it left right and center.
Besides that, I find WM more compatible with the office things I need (at this point).
just try both device before you buy...
I'm using xperia for a month right now, and I'm satisfied with it, I admit that initial firmware/ROM needs lot of fixes, but I'm sure future ROM will improve xperia x1...
with symbian you can't fix issues yourself, with winmobile you can, and both system have issues on new devices.
Afterall the matter is: do you need a phone that can be used a pda (symbian) or a pda that can be used for make phone calls (winmobile)?
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really ? I think I only installed 4 progs on my last s60 device, all the rest seemed tat.
freewarepocketpc are claiming over 6700 titles for Wm, and that's freeware
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really ? I think I only installed 4 progs on my last s60 device, all the rest seemed tat.
freewarepocketpc are claiming over 6700 titles for Wm, and that's freeware
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ok, but many of those 6700 are only minor tweaks, like making this icon bigger, or organization, hundreds of chnage interface things which are not that determining (does that word exist?)
game on WM are mostly boring against Symbian's...(example, WM= 1000 variations of each: Bejeweled, Solitaire, and other blocks/cards games; Symbian has of all genres)
thats what ive noticed on most sites (including warezs) and nice games ive found, already said this, are not exactly very compatible with X1 screen. Yes, there is WVGAFix3 (which, for what ive read, doesnt apply for everything) but still to see half of the screen in black...dunno... :S
anyways, im going al the way with X1 as my first WM device, optimistic.
Hey everyone,
I own the X1 for quite some time now and I have to say that I am generally very unhappy with my X1. There is no hardware defect but I really hate Windows Mobile and the way the buttons are placed on the X1.
I find it very uncomfortable to place calls because the navigation is very laggy and unresponsive. If I compare it with the Iphone, the whole concept of the X1 is a joke.
I consider buying the X1 a pricy mistake
iPhone = Phone that can use PDA function.
Windows Mobile = PocketPC that can use Phone function.
So... what is your focus.... u choose....
I myself [[[extremely dont like what iPhone is]]] eventhough iPhone is fast and very responsive as you said, it is not for me.
I like something that I can play with and use it in the way I want. Unlike iPhone, "use it the way Apple want". [these are just my personal openion]
In my family it is 3:1, WM still the winner here ^^, my brother love his iPhone and it suit him.
I suggest you sell your X1 and buy a new iPhone, u'll be a lot more happy.
the x1 is a sexy piece of hardware and i love it however the winmo is a joke and whoever thought of using winmo should be sacked.
its so hard to use and everything requires effort. my w960 was superb, quick and easy.
surely se expertise could have created there own ui and made this device just awesome.
i voted for "not happy but theres worse". like i said before the hardware is just perfection but the software just destroys it.
Don't get my wrong people. I am not one of those Idiots that go purchase a WM device and then ***** that it's not what they expected it to be. I know all about WM and I have had 3 different ones in the past.
What I love about windows mobile is the functionality and complexity. You have a lot of software variety and functionality. Also there is lot's of very advanced programms you can find for WM that Iphone could not even run. But when I see the implementation of some of the software that is on the Iphone is get a bit jealous and frustrated. It all looks slick and works very fast. I was hoping that at one point we could run Android on our X1 but It looks like we are lightyears away from that.
There are just SOOO many irregularities in Windows Mobile. It's very unstable and chokes too often
I like my X1 (love it)
There is absolutley things that can be improved.
A new update is comming in a few weeks, X1 support told me today.
Haha it is Micros0ft... so that mean Macrorough.
I agree with u that WM is million years behind iPhone in term of speed and stability.
It is a trade off, iPhone run only 1 user task at a time and has very limited access to system components. The hardware and software are specific made. While WM are more open, user can run multitask, access to every bits of system component and customize it anyway they want(except to make it fast and stable ).
For me, I envy iPhone speed but I see no point why I have to slide between screens while I can do everything in just one small WM screen, why I have to swipe my finger to move to next picture while I can just press one button(imagine hundreds of picture and you will get finger muscles), why I have to use my whole thumb instead of my finger nail tip..... so many why why why ....... haha
Anyway iPhone is a great piece of hardware.
I'm happy with it right now, though I was hoping to get already some official firmware update and more panels but no news from SE :/
are they waiting for WM6.5?
Best phone that I have ever owned. Love it. No problems whit winmo.
More stable it feels to compare my old N73 what was slow and crashing 24/7.
I even think this is easier to use. Qwerty is awesome, screen etc.
There is just lots of things that I love in this phone.
Only thing what I miss is g-sensor, but not so big deal.
Seriously guys, I despise everything apple stands for. Sometimes eventough there might be hard evidence that apple has actually done something well. I still will refuse to every lower myself to the ranks of the fashion based air-headed society and submit to those wannabe stylish pricks. OHHH It's white ITS APPLE ITS NICE. Give me a break.
It's just that I can't stand the ignorance that some apple users live in.
And then when I try to show off with my experia and prove that it is actually better than the Iphone it get's stuck in a million ways and just totally puts me to shame :|
its okay but i dont think it was worth 800 bucks.
iPhone cant event copy a line of text from one application to another.
To compare what is better, u need to compare the same thing and to the same user group.
To compare a phone, iPhone sure better. To compare a PDA the picture is opposite.
I dont think it is a good idea trying to beat iPhone with Xperia or any other WM. not that iPhone is unbeatable but it is depend on people point of view.
Those who love iPhone, they like it that way. For them Xperia will never beat iPhone, no need to try.
I also dont c y u should b ashame. Try comparing a shortgun with a rifle which one is better? which one should be ashame? While the iPhone may like a rifle, fast and stable, WM is like a shortgun, more coverage and versatile but somehow unpredictable. They both have their own pro and con.
Just use what you want -> everyone happy.
800 bucks is way overprice for this piece. Quality and performance wise
I love the phone not too big not too small, it took me awhile to get used to the keyboard after my Hermes, but after that I have no issues with the phone what so ever.
But I love tinkering and changing things thats what makes Windows mobile so good.
It's my first WM.
However it's like my 5th smartphone from SonyEricsson.
And I must also say I love it.
Yes WM has it's glitches and little lags.
Some problems too.
However with FlashLite it's a beast,
browsing, email - very well done.
Actually also very fast in apps.
I don't really tweak it, but some small improvements make it my best smartphone.
Just today compared it's screen to iPhone - first time saw pixels in iPhone's screen! X1 looks like painted......
exxi said:
800 bucks is way overprice for this piece. Quality and performance wise
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Every smartphones are overpriced.
Said u can buy a laptop at $200-300, just compare the matherial used.
Most highend phones are consider as lifestyle product which mean they can set unresonable price and customers like us will still buy it.
Look at those brandname women accessories, u sure noticed that they sell the brand not the product, matherial cost compare to price is a big gap. same here.
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Hey everyone,
I own the X1 for quite some time now and I have to say that I am generally very unhappy with my X1. There is no hardware defect but I really hate Windows Mobile and the way the buttons are placed on the X1.
I find it very uncomfortable to place calls because the navigation is very laggy and unresponsive. If I compare it with the Iphone, the whole concept of the X1 is a joke.
I consider buying the X1 a pricy mistake
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That depends on what you want to do. Does the Iphone have an RDP client by now? The on screen keyboard is best for people with tiny fingers and the screen resolution is too low for what I want to do. Why couldn't they make the iphone so it could be operated with a pen AND your fingers???
I need a business phone and the iphone is a best a cool looking toy.
I am extremely satisfied with my X1 as it is the best WM device I ever used after using HTC Diamond and Touch Pro.
I will never get a HTC ever in future.
I have used the iPhone and the Xperia, both.
I would agree that the iPhone is fast, sleek and stable, there are lots of frustrations that I had to bear! Firstly, Apple's copyright policies get to the nerves. Then comes the blue tooth fiasco. Then the SMS forwarding head-ache.
Then is the file-sharing nuisance. V-cards are never received. Audio-jack is made ONLY for the iPhone headset. You need to purchase another wire to connect your iPhone to your car audio. Although the battery is good, if there is any problem with the battery, its a big problem!! You can run only one program at a time. Deleting one call/sms is not possible without the extra softwares!
No video recording, if no extra software!
Xperia on the other hand is slow. However, if you soft-reset your device everyday, it works fine without any hang-ups. Multi-tasking is possible. Battery life is pretty good. Sound output is fantastic. Screen resoulution is a dream. Camera is a little shady, but still better when compared to the iPhone. I am thoroughly happy with my X1. I feel the price is pretty right too. Least that the phone becomes a commodity seen in everyone's hand! I'd prefer my phone to be exclusive and not a grocery item!
Its worth the money I put in !! Although I'm not entirely happy with the WinMo, thinking about the iPhone makes me love my x1 even more!
I remember having a Sony Clie' PDA in one pocket and an Ericsson GF768 cellphone in the other, once apon a time.
This is my first smartphone so there's no ground for me to compare it to any of these other units, but this little x1 is a beast in my opinion. All this hardware packed into this fairly compact chassis makes it one hell of a powerful unit. I get all the use of it that I possibly can.
Needless to say, I'm very happy with it.
So what? There are a couple bugs here, a few there. All machines dealing with these high-end technologies are bound to have software problems. I can happily deal with it.
Absolutely satesfied. I love my X1
I also have I Touch HD.
But I love my Xperia more!
You don't have to read this, you can just vote.
Ok, we have all heard about OS 3.0.
Faster, multi - tasking, A2DP, other bluetooth improvements such as file transfer, MMS, video capture, onboard video editing software included, etc..
The new iPhone to be released end of June is also going to have a few hardware changes. Have heard that it is 16 to 32 gb, that there is a 5mp autofocus camera with a quality lens on back, and a 3mp on the front (compared to our VGA), thinner (of course, pretty much a guarantee), possible bigger and sharper screen, etc...
It seems to me as if Apple has really (unlike MS) done what a company should...analyze the competition (primarily Android but also webOS and RIM), and redesign and improve their product accordingly. They have gotten rid of pretty muh all of the stupid annoyances, made it faster and smaller, and given developers much more access to different system level things for their apps, along with about a million other changes and improvements that you can and probably have read about. I am also really thinking that they will have good integration with things such as facebook, gmail, and outlook.
I really think there will be no question and that it truly will be the #1 device really without any competition. The only competition I can see is maybe something such as the HTC Magic that is thinner, has a larger, higher res screen, and comes stock with unbranded Android 1.5 (such as some of the HTC line up we have seen).
I just DESPERATELY hope that Apple isn't so stupid and naiive as to not put on MORE BUTTONS! Buttons are always better...always having to quit what you're doing and go back to the home screen to do ANYTHING would drive me insane...I love texting on my HD, then pulling up the phone and calling someone, sticking it on speaker, then going back to texting...that's not too much to ask I don't think.
So vote!
As for what I'm doing. I am jumping ship to the new iPhone. If I find it doesn't satisfy me, I will sell it and get the best Android handset I can find. Hopefully something like the Magic, but thinner, having a bigger, more high res screen, and comes stock with unbranded Android 1.5. If no new non - keyboard Anroid handsets are out by that time...Magic it is! (if it is ever released)
im gonna have to see the official specs and the actual device before i decide anything,if what is mentioned is true then perhaps. but im looking more at the Palm Pre than the iPhone, we will see
Ok, firstly MS is doing something about it, they are working on two new OSs at the moment, secondly its not MS that makes the phone, this is the problem and the holy grail with WM phones, firstly its a problem because MS has no say what hardware is used with its OS, this means like its desktop cousin it needs to support many things well and i believe to an extent it achieves this, but it doesnt excel at any of them. Its the holy grail because with the Iphone, you get 1 phone, 1 set of gear, 1 design for every possible usage, with WM devices you get exactly what you want because you have the choice to choose different phones, different specs and design for your needs.
Im leaving out Android here for 1 reason, it sucks, no no hear me out, apple has a HUGH following with its iPods which translate in to potential iPhone sales, android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good but its an alternative to the evil of Microsoft and ties of Apple which makes then appeal to others and thats fair enough, its a market as good as any.
But here is the reason ill be sticking with my Microsoft Windows Mobile based PDA, it works, it works fairly quick, it looks as good as an iPhone and i can install pretty much anything i want on it. Weres Tomtom for android or the Iphone? where is memory Map? where is the ease of use when syncing with Outlook? wheres Igo8? core player? world card mobile? the various language programs? all my security and tracking programs, the million and 1 apps available on the net, free or paid that have a propper support base if it all goes wrong, data retrivel?
some of those i use every day, i use many others every day, and yes there may be alternatives for some, but unless i can get them ALL working on one of the other two devices ill not change because i need them all and thats as simple as it gets.
With a desktop OS you can dual boot or virtual PC it, an thats fine if thats your thng, but you cant do that at the moment on the PDA and even if you could i doubt i would because its a hassle i can do without, WM works and works well enough and im sure its only going to get better.
And what will be the screen resolution of new iPhone?
Current iPhone is a no go for me - with such low screen resolution reading eBooks and surfing the internet is really, really bad.
Waiting eagerly for the new iPhone so definitely jumping ship...
I've got a Mac and syncing is nearly impossible. I've tried all sort of apps but none worked perfectly. I really need to sync address book and calendar and I've had enough of transferring mp3 files one by one, artwork not working etc etc.
the mp3 function is very important for me and the iPhone is perfect for that.
only problem I've got is I don't like the iPhone's current design. It's so 2 years ago. Hopefully they'll come up with a nice sleek design.
Why are Windows Mobile Apps falling behind IPhone ones?
One of the things that has always interest me when making such a decision is: What do developers think? How do they view developing for iPhone versus for winmo platform?
To gain insight into the thinking of developers, including some rather big names in winmo application development, you guys might want to read these extremely interesting threads:
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/ed...s-mobile-apps-falling-behind-iphone-ones.html
and
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=6481405#post6481405
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Ok, firstly MS is doing something about it, they are working on two new OSs at the moment, secondly its not MS that makes the phone, this is the problem and the holy grail with WM phones, firstly its a problem because MS has no say what hardware is used with its OS, this means like its desktop cousin it needs to support many things well and i believe to an extent it achieves this, but it doesnt excel at any of them. Its the holy grail because with the Iphone, you get 1 phone, 1 set of gear, 1 design for every possible usage, with WM devices you get exactly what you want because you have the choice to choose different phones, different specs and design for your needs.
Im leaving out Android here for 1 reason, it sucks, no no hear me out, apple has a HUGH following with its iPods which translate in to potential iPhone sales, android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good but its an alternative to the evil of Microsoft and ties of Apple which makes then appeal to others and thats fair enough, its a market as good as any.
But here is the reason ill be sticking with my Microsoft Windows Mobile based PDA, it works, it works fairly quick, it looks as good as an iPhone and i can install pretty much anything i want on it. Weres Tomtom for android or the Iphone? where is memory Map? where is the ease of use when syncing with Outlook? wheres Igo8? core player? world card mobile? the various language programs? all my security and tracking programs, the million and 1 apps available on the net, free or paid that have a propper support base if it all goes wrong, data retrivel?
some of those i use every day, i use many others every day, and yes there may be alternatives for some, but unless i can get them ALL working on one of the other two devices ill not change because i need them all and thats as simple as it gets.
With a desktop OS you can dual boot or virtual PC it, an thats fine if thats your thng, but you cant do that at the moment on the PDA and even if you could i doubt i would because its a hassle i can do without, WM works and works well enough and im sure its only going to get better.
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1. We all know MS is doing something about it. But we also all know that virtually all MS products suck. We also all know that MS is SLOOOW...therefore (like I said), by the time winmo 7 is released, it will already be behind. It will be released around 3rd quarter 2010...that's ridiculous. Another year from now Android will no longer be so new, and Apple will have put out something entirely new as they know ppl will be getting tired of iPhone by then. Not to mention what RIM and Nokia will be doing.
2. Where is the basis that Android sucks? It is faster than WM, that much is for sure. It is also more customizable. It is more modern. 3rd party app support does not make an OS good or bad....your argument that they suck cuz they don't have apps is no good to me. Sure it can make or break the success of the OS but...that's got nothing to do with the OS itself. Android has a LOT on WM and WM has...virtually nothing on Android. It looks ancient, it runs ancient, and it's that simple. I think we can all agree on that last line there.
3. "android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good"
- Gotta admit that you really lost me there.
4. Windows Mobile is in fact rather slow, even on good hardware with good drivers.
5. Windows Mobile crashes all the time even fresh after a hard reset, no apps installed, on an official ROM (just like the desktop Windows!)
6. iPhone has better syncing solutions that ActiveSync and Outlook.
7. Just FYI to all reading this...I am a Windows user and have been for years (all my life). I am not an outsider looking in and criticizing Windows w/o due reason and experience. I recently installed OSX86 on my PC however and...it truly is really nice. MS sucks. Bottom line, and there is really no avoiding it.
8. All OS's have pro's and cons. There are just as many if not more arguments against all your arguments for Windows Mobile. My point is simply that the new iPhone truly is a lot better than any Windows Mobile device running the latest WM 6.5.
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No kidding. Couldn't agree more. Coming from a Touch HD and having looked at a lot of friends iPhones...their screens look terrible when reading text (altho they do have 16 million colors compared to our 65,000. Side note: Android also has 16 million colors).
Sadly though I have read that they plan not to change the resolution in order to keep all apps usable. I reallly hope not.
It's true, MS does not have any influence on the phone hardware.
However, an operating system's success is not about hardware potential or software potential or about a combination of both: it's about a tangible offer of potentially attractive software which can be easily obtained via a single entry point, i.e. an APP STORE. That's currently the BIGGEST drawback of the WM platform. I love the customization part of WM but it took me ages to get there. Many users won't take that road and therefore go for the iphone.
There's also a lock-in effect to this -> More users to an OS platform means that developing for that platform gets attractive, thus attracting developers and making the apps offer even more powerful. That in turn increases the chances of attracting new users to the platform, etc.
Honestly, considering all this, do you really a 50 megapixel camera or a nVidia Geforce 8800 GTX in your phone ?? What about all the already hidden potential in your phones which never gets explored because developers and users do not get a realistic chance to discover all of its limitations ?
I'm pretty sure that the new iPhone does not support multi-tasking, you're still stuck to doing one thing at a time. I believe Apples official unofficial stand on it is that they spent way too much time and money on their failed push notifications, and they're not going to allow multi-tasking. (Apple does not like to say it's wrong...and if they would release multi-tasking, I'm sure they'll call it something else, and put a patent on it for no reason).
You know what...
I just love the WM and WM based devices.
They have ALL i need
They are fully customizable and have fully multitasking support.
With iPhone, you will get what it is, and you will get stucked with iTunes and online store
Many iPhone apps (though looks amazing) are not so usable
I just need functionality much more then a great user interface
Peace all
Well i won't go for the Iphone i have my HD and i'm stuck on it to change something that good you need to buy something "special" and from the looks of it the new Iphone will be a bit better than the last one so why do i give a great amount of money to switch to something "a bit" better.Let's see Palm Pre and other Android devices now the market will be devided not only for WM an Iphone but Android and Palm OS also so i won't hurry to go for the new stuff as you can never know which one is better until you try them for at lesat 4-6 months maybe even more....so let's wait and see "newer" is not the same as "better" .
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Well i won't go for the Iphone i have my HD and i'm stuck on it to change something that good you need to buy something "special" and from the looks of it the new Iphone will be a bit better than the last one so why do i give a great amount of money to switch to something "a bit" better.Let's see Palm Pre and other Android devices now the market will be devided not only for WM an Iphone but Android and Palm OS also so i won't hurry to go for the new stuff as you can never know which one is better until you try them for at lesat 4-6 months maybe even more....so let's wait and see "newer" is not the same as "better" .
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I really think it is going to be more than "a bit better".
As you saw there are hundreds of features and fixes in the new OS, plus new hardware changes such has considerably better CPU, double the RAM, better camera, thinner etc..
iori said:
You know what...
I just love the WM and WM based devices.
They have ALL i need
They are fully customizable and have fully multitasking support.
With iPhone, you will get what it is, and you will get stucked with iTunes and online store
Many iPhone apps (though looks amazing) are not so usable
I just need functionality much more then a great user interface
Peace all
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iori,
There are lots of misconceptions about iPhone, so I don't blame you for having incomplete or wrong information.
iPhone is extremley customizable too, and you too can have multitasking once jailbroken. Therefore, you do not get what it is - you get what you want it to be. You don't get stucked with iTunes and online store. You get the benefit but you can also get things outside iTune and online store.
Whoever gives you the idea that the iPhone aplls are not useable does not know what he is talking about. When app store was first available, many low quality applications did get listed. Not anymore. Whether you're an advanced IT network adminstrator, sales executives, finance director, web site marketer, shipping agent, there are really nice applications for you. Trust me on this one. Don't just anyhow believe people who tells you that iPhone is just a toy and winmo is for corporate use. iPhone can be as corporate as you want it to be.
Cheers.
Anyway, iPhone is still quite poor on the GPS domain.
6 or 7 apps (park lane, radar, around me, traffic, etc) to do all that my iGO can natively do... and still no turn-by-turn soft buyable on the iPhone.
I want a real all in one, and neither the actual iPhone or the next one won't be a real one. My friends who own an iphone have all get a specific GPS, and well, everything's said...
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Anyway, iPhone is still quite poor on the GPS domain.
6 or 7 apps (park lane, radar, around me, traffic, etc) to do all that my iGO can natively do... and still no turn-by-turn soft buyable on the iPhone.
I want a real all in one, and neither the actual iPhone or the next one won't be a real one. My friends who own an iphone have all get a specific GPS, and well, everything's said...
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Yes, that's tue still. If you're in US, there is an application called G-Map, which on the surface looks quite decent, but nothing outside US yet. However, this is expected to change with Firmware 3.0. The reason why there was none in the past was because Apple did not allow any such application, thanks to their stupid policy. Respectable company like Tom Tom would of course refuse to release it into the "underground" cydia store. With the policy change by Apple, TomTom is expected there soon.
I'm all for having everything in one device too, and GPS has been a sore point for me. The other sore point is the fixed battery, but that I can accept because iPHone's battery life is not bad.
1, im sorry but your statment about everything MS produces are rubbish, is in fact rubbish, i cant comment what you do with your PC / Mobile but i rarely have system crashes, on my mobile i cant even remember the last time i was forced to do a hard reset, on my desktop im using one of the most stable OSs ive ever used and its BETA! I do agree it takes them time to produce the software and i do agree that in the past SOME of their projects are flakey but not all.
"2. Where is the basis that Android sucks?"
You miss the point of an OS here, if nothing good works on an OS NO ONE will use it, its that simple, If i cant use the programs i need then that OS is useless to me, it may have a place in the linux following groups who challenge everything MS and claim to be better than everything else but in the real world if i cant use what i want to use its useless. MS also has a massive software base including various distribution sites, some free some not, everything is cated for. Android looks no better than my WM device with Touch flo, its no quicker, i know this because i have both of them sitting in front of me.
Because something is more modern doesnt make it good, take the Pentium 4 over Pentium 3 as an example. but i agree android IS more customizable
"Android has a LOT on WM and WM has...virtually nothing on Android"
Really? a LOT is a big statement that i bet you cant quantify with factual information and not hand back subjective reviews and "feelings" about things.
"It looks ancient,"
The core OS does yes, but tell me, is android not a Shell over a command line? i believe it is, So technically the core OS on android looks crap too but thats just nit picking!
"it runs ancient"
that makes no sence, only and new programs work on it fine, quick and responsive so what makes an OS ancient?
3. "android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good"
- Gotta admit that you really lost me there.
Ah yes i was refering to Linux and its intresting cult of followers but i retract that statement as it was below the belt.
"4. Windows Mobile is in fact rather slow, even on good hardware with good drivers."
nope, it isnt to me, graphics wise its slow compared to hardware excelerated devices, whats bizzar is that the phone can still pump out ok graphics on its CPU and still multi task, if qualcomm released graphics drivers for many of the 7xxx based chipsets i think you will find a near perfect device. but even without that it works....just!
"5. Windows Mobile crashes all the time even fresh after a hard reset, no apps installed, on an official ROM (just like the desktop Windows!)"
I really cant comment, since WM2002 ive not had that on a multitude of different devices. and Windows doesnt do that either, perhaps the common denominator here is the user.
"6. iPhone has better syncing solutions that ActiveSync and Outlook."
quantify please?
"7. Just FYI to all reading this...I am a Windows user and have been for years (all my life). I am not an outsider looking in and criticizing Windows w/o due reason and experience. I recently installed OSX86 on my PC however and...it truly is really nice"
I too have used Linux, OSX and all the different versions of Windows and they have there places i do agree that in different markets different OS's suit different people. but tell me which one of those is the best for all markets all be it perhaps not as good as the other OS's designed for those markets?
"MS sucks. "
you lose all credibility with that statment attact a spacific product if you choose but to say Apple sucks or MS sucks is crazy and wrong.
"Bottom line, and there is really no avoiding it.
8. All OS's have pro's and cons. There are just as many if not more arguments against all your arguments for Windows Mobile. My point is simply that the new iPhone truly is a lot better than any Windows Mobile device running the latest WM 6.5."
You started off well there, but lost it at the end, PROVE to me that the new OS is better on the Iphone? without using speculation and subjective views an opinions.
I believe MS will be increasing the colour depth on the new devices but i doubt it will make any significate difference, except in its speed. what the WM based devices need is some new tech that uses resistive screens without the 70% (about that) loss of light, that in turn would increase battery life. Dont say capacitive screens, a stylus can be very useful, but definitely a combination of the two somehow.
there are 3 killers for me with the iphone
1. no gps (it has a chip but nothing other than gimmickey apps for it)
2. resolution too small
3. no multi tasking - if I can't listen to mp3's while driving on my bluetooth stereo whilst having TomTom tell me where to go its no good.
Now we know that the new iPhone is gonna ship with TomTom but unless they sort the other 2 issues I wont even be looking at it, let alone ditching my beloved HD.
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there are 3 killers for me with the iphone
1. no gps (it has a chip but nothing other than gimmickey apps for it)
2. resolution too small
3. no multi tasking - if I can't listen to mp3's while driving on my bluetooth stereo whilst having TomTom tell me where to go its no good.
Now we know that the new iPhone is gonna ship with TomTom but unless they sort the other 2 issues I wont even be looking at it, let alone ditching my beloved HD.
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Hi Lancemate,
How do we know that the new iPhone is gonna ship with Tom Tom? I must have missed that information somewhere.
I'm too disappointed with Steve Jobs for not providing multitasking. So, looks like we still have to jailbreak to get that.
HD's resolution is very nice. No doubt about it. Although vast majority of the applications (phone, weather, music player for example) would not really miss this. Web surfing is in my mind a leading exception, as it would be nice to be able to clearly read the font without zooming in. It is for me a compromise, although an acceptable one for myself. I guess one has to take everything into account (multitouch vs resistive, number of applications available, speed, smoothness, stability, user interface, etc) and decide for oneself if such a compromise is worth it.
its all over the internet mate and has been for a while
example
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._0_app_highlights_tomtom_gps_line_6_more.html
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its all over the internet mate and has been for a while
example
http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._0_app_highlights_tomtom_gps_line_6_more.html
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I'm aware Tom Tom and Navigon will be available, but as separate purchase rather than being shipped with the phone. Guess I misunderstood what you said. Thanks anyway.
Right I want to be honest here and admit to my crime. I have been the biggest winmo fan for as many years as I can remember. In fact since the Compaq Ipaq first product. Prior to that I was a dedicated Psion fan from the Psion Organiser 2 so I have been round the block a bit. I have also owned probably more than 100 devices! I have always purchased the next best device on the first day you could get it paying over the odds. I think you get the picture.
Now people in my office are Mac fans and I have listened to them bleating on about their IPhones and have spent my life making fun of their choice of toy smartphones. At first it was easy with all the silly faults the IPhone clearly had. Crap camera, No cut and paste, No MMS, No video, No Exchange email
Recently my wife has gone over the the dark side against my advice. I have spent years telling her just how crap the IPhone is because I love(d) winmo but.............
After days of playing with my wifes IPhone 3gs I realised just how wrong I possibly was. Yes there was faults still with the OS but frankly they were much less than I thought. I started comparing it to my clunky, totally unreliable, buggy and frankly pathetically over responsive screen of my Touch HD2 and had to decide to buy myself and IPhone an give it a try (I mean I could always go back couldnt I) so.........
I went out and purchased an IPhone 3gs last week and I am sorry to say that it is simply head shoulders, body and tail better than any windows device I have ever tried.
I have spent the last week chuckling to myself about how stupid and ignorant I have been and how lucky I am to have made the move. The IPhone is awesome. Its operating system is unflappable and never crashes or falters or slows down.
The apps (and there is a ridiculously massive choice) just work flawlessly. Some of the things I thought were faults are not so bad (background apps not working) and although it would be nice if it had a camera as good as the HD2 (it doesn't), I wouldnt sell my Iphone for any windows device. In fact I cannot believe anyone wouldnt feel exactly the same if they tried one.
I know its a cop out having enjoyed installing new roms etc for years but seriously I urge every one of you to try one. You may feel just like me if you do. It would take something special to get me back to windows mobile and HTC should be ashamed of themselves for releasing the HD2 with so many bugs. Having had so many HTC devices I feel a little betrayed that they didnt get this one right and it made me switch to the DARK SIDE!!!
For me I doubt there is ever any going back now. I am writing this just so other can experience the pure OS and hardware pleasure that is the IPhone.
I have had iPhone 3g and still own a 3gs along with a blackstone and a leo.
You are right about the fast & stable system of the iphone os & its hard to decide to leave the iphone once you fell in love with it (Thats why i still have the 3gs, cant decide )
The problem lies within the operating system and not the device. Its the Microsoft windows which is the culprit and not the htc device. Have you ever used a mac. It is way more faster, stable & safe than the Windows PC even mac having lower specs as compared to windows pc.
HD2 has great specs but the same damn system running behind it.
I wonder if there is a way to run iphone os on htc hd2 ?????
I've read somewhere on the net that people had tried to run mac os on windows pc with success. Have my fingers crossed.
Best of luck with your 3gs
Hm...i have to wonder if you seriously played / configured / flashed your HD2 or if you just judge by the stock rom experience?
With an up to date 6.5.3 rom, i don't see any problems with the HD2. You praise the iphone OS, yet compared to WM, there is hardly any accessible OS. The iPhone is a grid of shortcuts that each launch a program. Nothing else to do there, nothing much to tweak, to setup. It's perfect for your wife i am sure, but you as a former WM user,... are you sure you will not get bored? The greatest pleasure of my HD2 is flashing new roms and trying new tweaks, hacks and themes. I can personalize it more than any iPhone user could personalize their iPhone! That's what makes it great. In terms of performance, again, an up to date WM6.5.3 rom does neither lag nor run slow in any way. On top of that you have a screen with a vastly higher resolution. I would not want to downgrade from WVGA any longer.
Bottom line: Yes the iPhone has lots of apps, no they are not all useful, and yes you can do similar things on WM. It just requires more knowledge and work, which us XDA users do have, i think!
i have both the 3gs and HD2 .. both are great but the 3gs has the EDGE-
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Yes I agree but the hardware is some part of the problem. I had a HTC Touch Pro2 previous the the HD2 and could type perfectly on the screen without using the hardware keyboard. Switching to the Touch HD2 I expected it to be great with the new capacitive screen but it wasnt. Despite various patches and having the knowledge to be able to try various roms I still couldnt get it to type reliably at a decent speed. It was just rubbish. That was the same Winmo version I had on my Touch Pro2!
I agree the form factor on a HD2 is great but spoiled by some dodgy hardware and s**te software in hindsight. The Iphone OS is great and it makes me wonder if I have been as wrong about Macs as I have about Iphones. I am going to have a play on the Mac in our office now!
Yes in fact I tried about 5 different roms. I did also try ones with 6.5.3 but they were no better. I also tried two different HD2's as I purchased a second on a contract for my wife then sold it and purchased her the Iphone.
I know what you mean about getting bored and I also agree about the grid. Its a shame you cant organise it better but they are tiny faults I feel to the incredible ownership experience. Its early days having it only a week but my HD2 was driving me mad at this point. I found myself verbally complimenting the Iphone while I was out in the garden listing to music today. I know I must be going a bit mad but I am deleriously delighted about the Iphone so far.
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Yes I agree but the hardware is some part of the problem. I had a HTC Touch Pro2 previous the the HD2 and could type perfectly on the screen without using the hardware keyboard. Switching to the Touch HD2 I expected it to be great with the new capacitive screen but it wasnt. Despite various patches and having the knowledge to be able to try various roms I still couldnt get it to type reliably at a decent speed. It was just rubbish. That was the same Winmo version I had on my Touch Pro2!
I agree the form factor on a HD2 is great but spoiled by some dodgy hardware and s**te software in hindsight. The Iphone OS is great and it makes me wonder if I have been as wrong about Macs as I have about Iphones. I am going to have a play on the Mac in our office now!
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did steve jobs need to create 4 screen names to say the same thing?
Yawn. Good for you. Whatever.
So how is this a general HD2 thread? Please let this drivel die now, rather than later when it turns into a slanging match, because that is clearly what the OP intends.
Have fun kids.
and in fact I have to say that when my iphone arrived I was still very unsure if I had done the right thing but once you play with one for a few days its then you realise. There are little things everywhere that make you smile. Type a url that is longer than the box and the font reduces to fit it on screen, try selecting something and the magnifying glass pops up to make it easy etc etc. The list goes on and on and I expect that Apple will keep adding to rom's. Microsoft have done next to nothing with theirs in ten years!
I was only trying to let others know my experience. I have been a member on here for years and contributing so this is no flash in the pan posting. Anyway think what you like. I have been totally honest but you can lead a horse to water but not make it drink!
stuartforrest said:
I was only trying to let others know my experience. I have been a member on here for years and contributing so this is no flash in the pan posting. Anyway think what you like. I have been totally honest but you can lead a horse to water but not make it drink!
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I'm not getting into it mate. Say whatever you like.
my local prison has an excellent reputation for good food, brilliant sporting facilities and cable tv in every cell, but I'm not moving in!
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I'm not getting into it mate. Say whatever you like.
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Well, let's be perfectly honest here : there is not a single Windows Mobile device on the market that can match and the general responsiveness, consistency and easy of use of an iPhone 3GS. Nor the consistent UI experience or simplicity - sure, Windows Mobile may have more options and abilities to tweak and mess with, but to dismiss the iPhone would be a stupid thing to do.
It's got very nice hardware, with and extremely well written OS underneath - it lakcs things yes, but what it does have, it usually out performs that of Windows Mobile, avaliable on the market today, and for many people iPhone 3GS would be a much better choice than any Windows Mobile phone, there's no getting around that whether you like it or not. As much as I dislike the saying, "it just works". It's something that you can apply far more easily to an iPhone than a WinMo device.
Still though, it's not fore everyone, and I'm quite happy to have a device with an inconsistent UI, spats of Lag and random freezes, as long as it does it's job as a phone. Am I satisfied with my HTC HD2? Not really. Would I be more satisfied with the experience of an iPhone. Probably. Would I buy one? Hell no
I know it's a difficult one but then typing my reply and watching the screen scroll around while I type is just class.
I felt exactly the same for a while. I am not totally trying to put down the HD2. I have spent weeks telling everyone in my office that it was an IPhone but without all the faults but I was wrong. Actually it's like an Iphone but with a really poor os. The screen isn't as good on the iPhone but it just used more cleverly. The lack of background apps is just stupid on the iPhone but mostly its just great.
Just out of interest I also purchased a motorola milestone (droid) expecting android to be good but frankly it was truly awful. Windows mobile was a breath of fresh air after using that horror for a single day!
Closing this as relevant points now made.
WB