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Hi,
I've owned every Samsung flagship and a few nexus's since the Samsung galaxy S2 days(currently own a note 4), And I've always enjoyed XDA (and Android obviously) as I could root and change ROMS and do what ever I wanted with the phone.
However, I learned my lesson when I got the Exynos varient S4 a couple of years ago. As many of you know, Exynos really lacks development with AOSP based ROMS. With my S4 while the Snapdragon varient had a working and stable CM ROM after a month, on the Exynos forums we waited for maybe a year until we got a sami-working CM, and even the last I checked, just to see if progress was made, I saw that those Exynos related bugs are still there(random audio problems, etc). Because I was smarter when I went for the Note 4 I made sure to get the Snapdragon varient and sure enough I'm enjoying CM since basically the phone came out while those with the Exynos note4 had to literally make a forum wide donation, recruit a random dev from xda, fund and buy him a device and since then I think only lately the've started getting some AOSP love(after months and months of dev, and still there are annoying bugs).
I have no idea if it's because Samsung won't share their Exynos sources or just because it's more difficult to develop with this SoC. However- If you are on XDA I can imagine you like having fun with ROMS. Maybe not everyone, but most of us like this site for a reason.
The fact is that I hated my S4 days as I could only choose TouchWiz ROMS(and they aren't that much different). This time, even if I'm not on CM, I can always flash TouchWiz: I have the option, and it's so very much different and not frustrating to be bound to only touchwiz.
The choice is yours, and if there was a snapdragon varient i'd tell you to pick it(..I still like samsung phones) but as it's only exynos..well, just like my S4, the note4, the S6 and basically every other Exynos device- you'd suffer from development.
good luck!
Edit: btw I was only talking about AOSP based development. For those of you that care about samsung updates more - you should know that samsung are treating their Note series very badly when it's related to updates. I didn't own a note2, or a note 3. But I have the note4 and I can promise you I've never owned a device that got treated as badly as this one. Maybe it's only the note4, no idea. But Lollipop update took months upon months to release and it was with many bugs. So far, we didn't get 5.1 as well, even though other Galaxy devices got it awhile ago. It seems like Samsung don't really like the Note series..
for more info just so you won't think I'm bashing for nothing: http://www.sammobile.com/2015/08/05/why-do-you-hate-the-galaxy-note-4-so-much-samsung/
**If you want Samsung to bring faster updates, and be more developer friendly, instead of buying the next phone and praise it- don't buy it and maybe they'll get the msg. personally I'm gonna go a non Samsung flagship next time and see if their attitude changes by the next note**
Does this thread relates or discuss anything about the Note 5.
OP, I was skeptical when I saw your post but after reading it I appreciate your insight.
When I get my Note 5 I will miss being able to tether more than anything. I only need to root to be able to tether.
Mark7z said:
Does this thread relates or discuss anything about the Note 5.
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Try the Android Central forums for the Note 5. It isn't plagued by whining and negativity....
Sher The Love said:
Try the Android Central forums for the Note 5. It isn't plagued by whining and negativity....
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seriously though, 50+ people complaining about it not being a note4 and 5 people actually talking about their new phones.
IDK about you guys, but I have a note5 and would like to discuss the note5.
you know I am too over the whining, crying and fit throwing about the Note 5. All this *****ing isn't changing a damn thing and Samsung isn't going to change something that people are whining about anytime soon. I am all for discussing the Note 5 and leave the comparisons to the Note 4 behind us. Whew I feel better now .
This is the same crap that went on with the Nexus 6. Smartphones are moving in this direction whether we like it or not. Removable storage and batteries are becoming a thing of the past. If that's what you want hang on to your old Note. Let's move on people and concentrate on the facts when the device gets in the hand of users. Which by the way, is starting to look stellar and will probably sell well.
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Actually in not trying to be patronizing I realize that this is about the note5 and specifically about its processor. Yes he references other phones but that was to show similarities between the exynos soc and the snapdragon soc. In a much shorter post he said.
"If you like flashing roms and you like AOSP then you may be disappointed by Samsung choice of processor. It makes development a pain in the @$$. "Be Aware".
Instead of complaining about complaints, read, understand, and move on if you don't like it. The problem is that you're on xda. This IS the place to discuss possible development OR THE LACK THEREOF. Not that many people have the phone yet. And to be honest the real developers probably aren't going to waste money on the note 5 because of what the OP stated.
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Actually in not trying to be patronizing I realize that this is about the note5 and specifically about its processor. Yes he references other phones but that was to show similarities between the exynos soc and the snapdragon soc. In a much shorter post he said.
"If you like flashing roms and you like AOSP then you may be disappointed by Samsung choice of processor. It makes development a pain in the @$$. "Be Aware".
Instead of complaining about complaints, read, understand, and move on if you don't like it. The problem is that you're on xda. This IS the place to discuss possible development OR THE LACK THEREOF. Not that many people have the phone yet. And to be honest the real developers probably aren't going to waste money on the note 5 because of what the OP stated.
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Yes but this has been true for all Exynos SoC devices for years, it shouldnt come as a shock to anyone who has been even slightly aware of XDA and samsung for the past 3+ years. It is brought up literally every time samsung launches a device with Exynos, literally every time, which seeing as every samsung release in the past year has had Exynos, this should be common knowledge at this point.
Just because something is true does not remove disdain. Murders happen every 5 minutes. This is true. But is it something that people like? I mean I don't have a note 5. Nor do I care to bash it. But I do find it funny that people who are logged into and are users of a site that can sometimes be referred to as power user central are mad because power users are complaining about something lost that they held dear to them.
I really don't think people are mad that they are complaining as much as it is the volume of which they are complaining that is wearing on people. I get it with every iteration comes change, and with every change comes complaints about the change but there comes a time when you just have to say fine " I don't like this change and so I will have to deal with it or find something else that tickles my fancy" and go on. We all knew weeks ahead of time that the removable battery and the sdcard was going by by. The leaks confirmed it. Like it or not it happened and it also turned out that the battery lost 220mAh which really people isn't that much of a loss and considering that the other improvements like (processor, ddr4 ram, LTE radio, 4.1 bluetooth, ect...) it very may well surprise you, and from the few threads and articles that I have read so far that seems to be the case. Now is it really or is it the way they have used their device, who knows. but I have owned ALOT of phones in my time and I have yet no matter which phone I owned did a battery swap yet even though I have been known to carry a spare at times.
I guess my suggestion to the people that really are pissed off about the changes, write a letter to samsung or something to that affect because I'm 99.9% sure *****ing about it here in the threads isn't doing a darn thing towards change. I could be wrong.
And again Im not flaming the people that are complaining its just my opinion...
I personally won't buy a note device to throw asop on it. While it's nice to have the option, you lose all the functionality you bought the note device for any way. Buy a nexus if you are overly concerned about being able to run CM/AOSP ect. A nice optimized TW rom is all i look for with a Note as is the case with my note 4.
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IDK about you guys, but I have a note5 and would like to discuss the note5.
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First step to achieving that would be simply ignoring posts with titles like this one has. Lol
Is it just me or the fact that every Samsung handset is being released with an Exynos might be a good thing due to the fact that the Exynos itself might have a higher bounty to develop for?? :fingers-crossed:
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Is it just me or the fact that every Samsung handset is being released with an Exynos might be a good thing due to the fact that the Exynos itself might have a higher bounty to develop for?? :fingers-crossed:
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It's more a matter of sources and ease to develop for.
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Is it just me or the fact that every Samsung handset is being released with an Exynos might be a good thing due to the fact that the Exynos itself might have a higher bounty to develop for?? :fingers-crossed:
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exynos is difficult to develop for whereas snapdragon is of a wider developer support
lightiv said:
OP, I was skeptical when I saw your post but after reading it I appreciate your insight.
When I get my Note 5 I will miss being able to tether more than anything. I only need to root to be able to tether.
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If it's like the S6, FoxFi worked great for the Verizon model.
demand and supply, as i was stating. Now that we all will be rocking Exynos, devs might be more prone to look further into it.
Here is a thread if you haven't noticed it yet that may shed some light .....
http://forums.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?t=568536&goto=postid&p=4615669#post4615669
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demand and supply, as i was stating. Now that we all will be rocking Exynos, devs might be more prone to look further into it.
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Back to the days of the GS3, the problem was not that there is no devs but that there is no sources.
Even now, there is no completely finished lolipop ROM.
I've already gave Samsung a piece of my mind on the topic, but one or a few persons isn't going to do it.
here's some facts to know beforehand:
SM-P600: Note 10.1 2014 Edition WIFI-ONLY (much older than Note Pro) received 5.1.1 update for various regions between early December 9th and January 16th
SM-T900: Tab Pro 12.2 WIFI-ONLY (same release date, cheaper product / lower paying customers) also received 5.1.1 updates Dec. 9 - Jan 16th
first, download the Samsung+ app if you don't have it already. go to the Support or Help Section, and start a Video Chat call (yes it works on Wi-Fi only). by default, the camera on your tab is off, if you wish for them to see you, you'll have to manually toggle it on during the call so don't worry about that. the video chat is U.S. based and almost always gets you a fluent English speaking agent capable of an intelligent conversation. the regular phone line is more likely to land you in India or Mexico and no speak ingles thank you for choose Samsung business appreciate come again byebye! or tangle you up in departments that either have no involvement in software support or have no way to pass along your thoughts.
next, proceed to complain either politely or passionately, whichever fits your fancy, about the lack of updates for (give the exact model number SM-P900) our tab.
be prepared, they will try in many ways to tell you there's nothing they can do or redirect the conversation to have you go check for newer software / how to check for newer software so they can get you off the call. we already know what the newest is and how to check. we're not stupid! ROUND TWO, FIGHT!
tell them how (use the model numbers and names) the older/cheaper devices already got 5.1.1 almost half a year ago. they will try to tell you that the carriers or some other entity are responsible for handling updates. WIFI ONLY devices get their updates from Samsung, not a 3rd party. don't let them end the call so easily! they may also try telling you that a 3rd party updated the other tabs. reassure them you're comparing apples-to-apples, Wi-Fi tabs to Wi-Fi tabs.
ROUND THREE! expect to hear something about their update support being designed to end at a time that encourages customers to purchase a new device. every new Wi-Fi tab Samsung has released after the Note Pro (and is planning to release through the end of the year 2016 http://tabletmonkeys.com/new-tablets/) are either 1. budget devices with lesser hardware in one category or another (which are for a different kind of customer), or 2. run different operating systems (windows, also for different kinds of customers), or 3. both
make it known how despicable it is to try and force us to new devices "even if the specs were better, which isn't the case" and that you insist your feedback gets noted and passed on to Relations and all other involved departments.
feel free to share if you have done this, you will have my thanks and that of many others
This won't work. The device is probably going to hit eol soon. But I tried anyway. I did a video call with Samsung support the through the Samsung+ app. The support agent was polite and gave me the same answers and I gave my response.
He also suggested to leave a bad review on the Samsung product page but that won't do anything. I'm pretty sure we are stuck with 5.0.1 or hopefully the developers can port other versions of Android to this device.
working or not, it's one of few avenues we got
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I'm pretty sure we are stuck with 5.0.1 or hopefully the developers can port other versions of Android to this device.
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We have unofficial Marshmallow builds. This one is works well if you don't care about the camera (which I've always found pointless on a giant tablet): http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...t/rom-cyanogenmod-13-0-android-6-0-1-t3366834
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We have unofficial Marshmallow builds. This one is works well if you don't care about the camera (which I've always found pointless on a giant tablet): http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...t/rom-cyanogenmod-13-0-android-6-0-1-t3366834
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Yes I saw that. However most of the time when I use CM I've always noticed that there are some issues. I might give this a try at some point.
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Yes I saw that. However most of the time when I use CM I've always noticed that there are some issues. I might give this a try at some point.
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What are the issues that you see? They can't be fixed unless the dev knows it is an issue.
Not particularly with this device but on other devices I've seen random reboots.
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100% agree with this kind of initiatives !
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You know, I was looking for official updates for our SM-P900. And I came across this. My opinion is that we always have the best option: learn from our mistakes, never do it again and move on. With that said, we all paid good money for that "premium" tablet. And since day one I felt I was going to pay dearly for having to buy another Samsung product. And sure s**t, I did. Which happens to be my last Samsung device. I forced myself to look for other products and was actually pleasantly surprised to find others. Maybe I didn't look hard enough, maybe the market is more mature, maybe I spent my money more wisely.
Note 5 for my wife and this SM-P900 were last Samsung devices we bought so it was a while back. Without realizing it, we went with 2 Sony android TVs when we could have bought Samsung TVs. We bought Rokus for older TVs. I bought a Nexus 6P to replace my Note 3 last year. We bought LG washer and dryer. Also LG fridge. And it feels good to not give them any more money.
And every dog has its day: Note 7.
Don't get me wrong Sterist, I truly admire your enthusiasm. I have been there. I am an IT Director with 20 years of experience so I came across very expensive pieces of hardware for a very long time. But it's good that we start growing a spine and start to really stick to them and mean it. I'm not a fan of anything. I don't discriminate. And today I recommend people to buy what's reliable. Usually Apple. When you have employees who constantly ask you personal questions about what to buy and you don't want to hear they complain weeks later after they bought what you recommended, well, you get smart and recommend whatever is going to help so they don't come back to haunt you.
(deep inside I am pissed like you and others about the SM-P900 and lack of support or for Samsung to just sit around like they always do for the EOL of this device)
Except for maybe security updates, this device doesn't need updating. Updates usually screw something up like the last update that borked the external keyboard until they released another update to fix. It's is still a great product and does everything I want it to do. If you think apple stuff may be better then go ahead and buy their stuff but expect to pay more. Recommending apple products on a samsung tablet forum is not cool.
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Except for maybe security updates, this device doesn't need updating. Updates usually screw something up like the last update that borked the external keyboard until they released another update to fix. It's is still a great product and does everything I want it to do. If you think apple stuff may be better then go ahead and buy their stuff but expect to pay more. Recommending apple products on a samsung tablet forum is not cool.
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Not necessarily. There are some more tweaks and updates that this tablet could use. Or at least thats what I think.
I have to say that buying this tablet when I did I though it would at least get upgraded to v6. The device is capable of so much more. I am using the unofficial CM 14.1 and mostly its very good. But as previous people have mentioned there are a few things that don't seem to work. The Microphone is one of them. The screen resolution is awesome using CM14.1!!
The hardware was ahead of the capability of the OS so updates should of been worked on.
It was good value but without the updates the timescale of that value is too short, If I had shelled out a bit more for something else I would have an updated OS which could make better use of the hardware underneath and the value would have applied over a longer period in reality making it cheaper. This experience has change my view on Samsung products. When I can finally put down money for a new tablet, I will be definitively be looking elsewhere for a brand that supports their products for longer.
I recently bought this tablet second hand because I wanted a premium tablet with the S Pen but I wasn't willing to wait/spend on the Tab S3. At the time, I didn't realize how old the Note Pro actually was so I was disappointed to find out that it's stuck on Lollipop (granted, my fault for not researching this first). Like dstote above, I figured Samsung would at least support it until Marshmallow considering the hardware specs. What a shame.
Of course, this then brought me to xda. I immediately flashed Lineage 14 but realized I really wanted TouchWiz back (never thought I'd say that). Next I tried Carbon which is a modified stock ROM. It worked well and was much faster than stock but I lost 5GHz wifi access--presumably because it was intended for the P901. I then settled on the Bussybox build which has been working great. The only issue is the occasional random reboot which I'm hoping gets ironed out in future builds. Here's hoping someone puts together a TouchWiz Nougat build because I'm not holding my breath for Samsung to do it.
In my case I bought the SM-P900 because I travel a lot and wanted something to work on (including sketching/ drawing), watch movies on, keep in touch with family and friends on and something that, being a premium product, Samsung would support.
The hardware is far more capable than the OS and the unfortunate thing is the lack of S Pen support in most of the custom builds. Until this device I'd had a Galaxy S2,3,4 & 5 and a couple of Samsung TV's. I now have an LG phone, 2 LG TV's and LG fridge - Not because they are any better (you've only got to look at their track record with updates) but because they offer better value for money - We also have 2 Motorola and an Oppo phone in the house - All of the samsungs are stuck in a drawer with various flavours of lineage or CM on them as back ups. Apple - not for me - it's too locked down - but at least it's well supported.
Vote with your wallets, it's clearly the only thing Samsung understand.
I've had this phone about 3 months now and thought it was going to be good in the dev community but as im seeing now it seems all dev for this phone is dead or dying, so what hope is there that we will have any roms or new mods for this phone?Yes i understand about the locked bootloader but i was looking at the note 7 forum and they have roms for there phone and the note 7 came out after the 7 edge? i would just like to know in everyone's opinion should we be waiting and hoping for someone to break the codes and unlock our phones true potential or just shut my mouth and sit back and take what i've got and be happy with it. Don't get me wrong i commend the Echoe rom team and all the hard work they did for us and that should not be overlooked. All im saying is what do we need to get this phone poppin like all the other phones ?
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A New S7 Edge Owner
I guess all we could do is hang on to this one and trade it in or sell it when the S8 comes out and maybe we won't get screwed on the next model.
I was thinking about trading it for one of the new Google Pixel XL phones, but they aren't going to have an SD slot. I think I am still going to trade it for something else though... having a hard time figuring out what I want that's comparable.
If you're looking for a mod friendly device, you should look elsewhere. With a locked bootloader, you're not going to get much dev support. Having said that, I would say that the future of this phone is bright. I can honestly say that I see no reason for me to mess with the system. It's excellent as it is.
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I was thinking about trading it for one of the new Google Pixel XL phones, but they aren't going to have an SD slot. I think I am still going to trade it for something else though... having a hard time figuring out what I want that's comparable.
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The Google pixel will be a joke. You'll see iphone 7 Will be years ahead of it. And I'm a android guy
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Yea, hate to say it, but Google should stick to making software. Either that, or actually develop the production capacity to do your own manufacturing or at least quality control, instead of farming it out to random Chinese manufacturers. My only experience with Nexus is the Nexus 5, but that device was awful. In fact, I can't think of a single redeeming quality of that device.
I'm selling mine and going back to the Note 4
slayerh4x said:
I was thinking about trading it for one of the new Google Pixel XL phones, but they aren't going to have an SD slot. I think I am still going to trade it for something else though... having a hard time figuring out what I want that's comparable.
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The V20 seems like a nice alternative
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The V20 seems like a nice alternative
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yeah. I'm thinking about the OnePlus 3, the support for that phone seems very good. Plus it is not too expensive. I wonder what my options are for switching phones, I don't think T Mobile will take back my phone and stop charging me my monthly device installment.
Yeah, I think you have to wait a bit more to be eligible for jump
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Wow you guys amaze me, I guess if it isnt made out of glass and metal with diamonds on it then its not worthy for you. I've had the nexus 5, 6 and 2013 7, and although this is a nice phone. Id take the functionality and stability of a nexus any day. You do not know what you are talking about if you really think this phone or an iphone is worlds ahead of a nexus. Yeah, the nexus 5 was cheap feeling, it was $350 brand new, and it was the most reliable phone I've ever had. And I've had a couple iphones, you guys either don't know what your doing or got a bad device.
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Wow you guys amaze me, I guess if it isnt made out of glass and metal with diamonds on it then its not worthy for you. I've had the nexus 5, 6 and 2013 7, and although this is a nice phone. Id take the functionality and stability of a nexus any day. You do not know what you are talking about if you really think this phone or an iphone is worlds ahead of a nexus. Yeah, the nexus 5 was cheap feeling, it was $350 brand new, and it was the most reliable phone I've ever had. And I've had a couple iphones, you guys either don't know what your doing or got a bad device.
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I've been a nexus user since the Nexus 5 launched. and a CM user for years before then. the S7 edge is my first Samsung device (and only because I got it for free), because I have always felt the same way about Samsung as I do about apple. all hype, all trend, ignorant (non-power-user) fanbase. Samsung is literally the apple of Android, if you know what I mean. I'll never own another Samsung device after this one.
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The V20 seems like a nice alternative
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Do you think the bootloader will be unlocked? I'm still kinda new to Android and the first recent one I got was this S7 Edge. The V20 does look really nice though, hope it is released soon.
I also like the HTC 10 because there is a ton of stuff for it. The Viper rom looks awesome, pretty crazy they have OTA updates for the rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/development
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Do you think the bootloader will be unlocked? I'm still kinda new to Android and the first recent one I got was this S7 Edge. The V20 does look really nice though, hope it is released soon.
I also like the HTC 10 because there is a ton of stuff for it. The Viper rom looks awesome, pretty crazy they have OTA updates for the rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-10/development
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Typically LG doesn't lock their bootloaders, and since its going to be the same phone internationally its dev community may be loads better.
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A few developments in the last month:
Unified 935U based roms - This will be great as the unification of US rom development (and the ability to have VOLTE) will make life better for US S7 users as they will have the newest rom of the 5 options running.
Note 7 release: The Note 7's UI seems better (samsung has already started promised to unify the UI in android 7) and the rom has been ported (same chipset).
Enhanced T-mobile Support on international models: Wifi calling/Volte has now been ported to the International (935F) model, at least if rooted. I switched as the Exynos version is faster and has better battery life (and the gap is greater in rooted versions than stock) and a stronger development community including Note 7 ports.
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A few developments in the last month:
Unified 935U based roms - This will be great as the unification of US rom development (and the ability to have VOLTE) will make life better for US S7 users as they will have the newest rom of the 5 options running.
Note 7 release: The Note 7's UI seems better (samsung has already started promised to unify the UI in android 7) and the rom has been ported (same chipset).
Enhanced T-mobile Support on international models: Wifi calling/Volte has now been ported to the International (935F) model, at least if rooted. I switched as the Exynos version is faster and has better battery life (and the gap is greater in rooted versions than stock) and a stronger development community including Note 7 ports.
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so we should all get the Exynos version and call it a day is what you saying then ?
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so we should all get the Exynos version and call it a day is what you saying then ?
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Goodness no. If you root and just care about speed, battery and custom rom options on android 6/touchwiz (and don't care about US warranty support), I would say yes.
If you care about warranty support, want an unrooted phone (or the ability to root without tripping Knox), want to use Samsung Pay or like T-mobile's financing options, The US model is definitely the one. It also has more upside
Long Term, Samsung's Android 7 may see a boot-loader unlock option, which would jump start CM/kernel development (cutting the performance gap between the phones and giving people who like Samsung's industrial design but not their software design a good solution). Next month, there will be Nexus phones running SD820, which will continue the advantage Qualcomm based roms have in custom development.
I'm going to be patient. This is a book I've read before. The fact is that the S7 edge will have the bootloader unlocked eventually.
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I'm going to be patient. This is a book I've read before. The fact is that the S7 edge will have the bootloader unlocked eventually.
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i hope you are right i hate to get a new phone i really like my S7 Edge
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I'm going to be patient. This is a book I've read before. The fact is that the S7 edge will have the bootloader unlocked eventually.
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The only fact here is that nobody really knows what may or may not happen. Wishful thinking is one thing, but it is far from fact.
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Wow you guys amaze me, I guess if it isnt made out of glass and metal with diamonds on it then its not worthy for you. I've had the nexus 5, 6 and 2013 7, and although this is a nice phone. Id take the functionality and stability of a nexus any day. You do not know what you are talking about if you really think this phone or an iphone is worlds ahead of a nexus. Yeah, the nexus 5 was cheap feeling, it was $350 brand new, and it was the most reliable phone I've ever had. And I've had a couple iphones, you guys either don't know what your doing or got a bad device.
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The Nexus 5 was an awful device, with awful battery life, awful display, awful speaker, and awful camera. It was quick with stock Android, but it literally had no other redeeming qualities. Mine has been used as a paperweight, to keep papers from flying off my desk when my windows is open. I am not joking. I will take an Apple device over the Nexus 5 any day, and I can't stand Apple. And yes, I have an Apple device too. I have not had any other Nexus devices, and probably never will. Samsung devices have treated me very well over the years so I am sticking with them. And honestly, the GS7 is an excellent device all around, I couldn't care less about a locked bootloader. The days of spending hours/days flashing ROMs are behind me. I have more important things to do with my free time. So before you go off and make blanket statements such as "we don't know what we are doing," consider the fact that some of us don't share the same interests as you. The majority of the world wants a device that works out of the box and doesn't know what a bootloader is, much less that it can be locked or unlocked. You, and this community, are a tiny minority of smartphone users. And guess what, there are companies that cater to you as well. Don't be pissed at Samsung for delivering what their customers wanted.
I'm thinking of switching up. I'm not too hip on IOS yet, but maybe because i'm not at all familiar with it. The Iphone seems very smooth. I dont think Verizon can change up the Iphone system the way they change Samsung to their liking. Much better update system for Apple. (they actually get them) for years. Just trying to get some thoughts. Iphone does without a doubt blow away Samsung in any speed test as does a bunch of lower price phones these days. I think Samsung has been overrated as a powerhouse phone. Dont get me wrong, i've had every Note from Note 2 to Note 7. I've just never had an Apple product and may be ready for a switch to a truly faster phone.
I switched from an iPhone 6 to the S7 Edge (due to the Note 7 being recalled around 2 hours before I sold my Iphone, without my knowledge), and while I do like some things about it, I really miss the apple ecosystem. The update thing is a big plus for iOS, and I didn't research enough before buying the phone to realize the Samsung locks it down so much. My last android phone (Droid DNA) had it's bootloader unlocked before I bought it, so I could flash all kinds of different roms whenever I got bored and it just had the openess that I expected from Android. I bought the S7Edge on the assumption that it would be the same, but unfortunately that's not the case.
Don't get me wrong, I like the phone, but not near as much as my old Iphone, partly due to the software, and partly due to the overwhelming amount of accessories available for Iphones compared to the S7, especially the edge version. The S7E has a beautiful screen, is smaller than my Iphone 6 was (with the same screen size), but I find the edge screen so annoying that I turned it off. It's also annoying that part of the time if I'm using one thumb to reach across the screen to the other side I accidentally brush part of my hand against the edge and open an app that I didn't want to open.
I want to love it, but I like to root my android phones and having to use the engineer kernel to accomplish it has slowed my phone down and lowered the battery life. That's a trade off I accepted though, due to the limitations of the current original development, i.e. very few roms, still locked bootloader, etc... I love the stuff that everyone has done for the phone, especially given it's limitations, so I hope nobody thinks I'm blaming the developers for lack of development, because I sure as hell wouldn't know what to do with it.
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I switched from an iPhone 6 to the S7 Edge (due to the Note 7 being recalled around 2 hours before I sold my Iphone, without my knowledge), and while I do like some things about it, I really miss the apple ecosystem. The update thing is a big plus for iOS, and I didn't research enough before buying the phone to realize the Samsung locks it down so much. My last android phone (Droid DNA) had it's bootloader unlocked before I bought it, so I could flash all kinds of different roms whenever I got bored and it just had the openess that I expected from Android. I bought the S7Edge on the assumption that it would be the same, but unfortunately that's not the case.
Don't get me wrong, I like the phone, but not near as much as my old Iphone, partly due to the software, and partly due to the overwhelming amount of accessories available for Iphones compared to the S7, especially the edge version. The S7E has a beautiful screen, is smaller than my Iphone 6 was (with the same screen size), but I find the edge screen so annoying that I turned it off. It's also annoying that part of the time if I'm using one thumb to reach across the screen to the other side I accidentally brush part of my hand against the edge and open an app that I didn't want to open.
I want to love it, but I like to root my android phones and having to use the engineer kernel to accomplish it has slowed my phone down and lowered the battery life. That's a trade off I accepted though, due to the limitations of the current original development, i.e. very few roms, still locked bootloader, etc... I love the stuff that everyone has done for the phone, especially given it's limitations, so I hope nobody thinks I'm blaming the developers for lack of development, because I sure as hell wouldn't know what to do with it.
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I definitely love the phone too, but I will be switching to the iPhone 7 Plus shortly. This is mostly due to every reason you mentioned plus the fact that I have not really owned an Android phone that has not slowed down significantly over time (except for the LG G5, but it had many other problems).
iPhone is great. I've had several but this phone is so much fun. The only gripe I really have with this phone is battery drain but then again, fast wireless charging completely makes up for it.
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My wife has always owned iPhones and I just bought her the 7 Plus for Christmas. But I do not like ios at all. Also the screen is the same size as my S7 Edge but it has a much larger footprint. One guy replied that Samsung locks down their phones. No one locks down their devices more than Apple. Most of the Android restrictions are from the carriers. I have not noticed a slow down of my phone as another reply suggested. Sometimes you have to clear the cache if things seem to be sluggish. Speed test don't mean a thing when it comes to real world use. I always play around with my wife's iPhones to see how well they run and to me I don't see a significant advantage compared to my Android flagships. My only issue, like someone else mentioned is the overly sensitive edge. That's a common issue with the S7 Edge but not everyone has it. Others have the opposite issue of screen being slow to respond. If not for the screen issue I would keep my Edge for at least 2 years because I like everything else about it. I plan to get the S8 when it is released. But I'll never buy a iPhone for myself.
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Thanks to everyone that replied so far. The feedback is good info. I'm going to keep comparing and patiently wait for Note 8 and new iPhones to come out. A switch to IOS is scary, and the size of the Iphone plus is absurd. That thing is huge!
Honestly I have both and currently hate my iPhone. The loopholes in order to just get a custom icon set is enough for me to miss Android lol
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IPhone does win in getting OS updates. For Android it's the pixel/nexus devices. The s7 edge maybe behind in getting the updates but Samsung is innovative with what they put in TouchWiz/grace ui. IPhone is locked down and you can't customize it at all. It comes down to personal preference.
Example: Pixel got multi window with 7.0 but yet Galaxy devices have had that feature for years. Galaxy devices have and support themes. Samsung pay is better than Android pay. Point is that Samsung devices already have some features of Android 7.0
Also if you buy a s7/s7 edge and hate all the bloatware then just flash g935u firmware on it which gets the updates straight from Samsung and not the carrier.
The only negative thing I'll say after having the s7 edge since launch and coming from a nexus 5 is not being able to unlock the bootloader. I wish I could unlock the bootloader and flash an AOSP rom on my S7 Edge. But I'm gonna stick with this phone for like 2 years (or the Note 8 and get it black Friday 2017) and my next phone will be another Samsung device. I'll make sure my next it has an unlock bootloader so I may have to import the European version if Samsung keeps locking down the US phones. Only the s7 edge g935f European version can unlock the bootloader and run custom roms.
But I've been fine with no root. You can root the US version but the kernel is horrible. Your phone will overheat, lag, and have battery drain issues. So I flashed my S7 Edge to stock non-root g935u firmware a long time ago with the Verizon modem/radio. Plus to use Samsung pay, chase and other apps, you can't have root which I've been using so I'm loving since the first day I got it.
You mention speed test and I can tell you my phone is lag free and runs great including multi tasking in real world. My wife has an iPhone 6s plus and both of our phones run great.
IPhone, galaxy, pixel/nexus: all these phones have their pros and cons and it all comes down to personal preference.
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IPhone does win in getting OS updates. For Android it's the pixel/nexus devices. The s7 edge maybe behind in getting the updates but Samsung is innovative with what they put in TouchWiz/grace ui. IPhone is locked down and you can't customize it at all. It comes down to personal preference.
Example: Pixel got multi window with 7.0 but yet Galaxy devices have had that feature for years. Galaxy devices have and support themes. Samsung pay is better than Android pay. Point is that Samsung devices already have some features of Android 7.0
Also if you buy a s7/s7 edge and hate all the bloatware then just flash g935u firmware on it which gets the updates straight from Samsung and not the carrier.
The only negative thing I'll say after having the s7 edge since launch and coming from a nexus 5 is not being able to unlock the bootloader. I wish I could unlock the bootloader and flash an AOSP rom on my S7 Edge. But I'm gonna stick with this phone for like 2 years (or the Note 8 and get it black Friday 2017) and my next phone will be another Samsung device. I'll make sure my next it has an unlock bootloader so I may have to import the European version if Samsung keeps locking down the US phones. Only the s7 edge g935f European version can unlock the bootloader and run custom roms.
But I've been fine with no root. You can root the US version but the kernel is horrible. Your phone will overheat, lag, and have battery drain issues. So I flashed my S7 Edge to stock non-root g935u firmware a long time ago with the Verizon modem/radio. Plus to use Samsung pay, chase and other apps, you can't have root which I've been using so I'm loving since the first day I got it.
You mention speed test and I can tell you my phone is lag free and runs great including multi tasking in real world. My wife has an iPhone 6s plus and both of our phones run great.
IPhone, galaxy, pixel/nexus: all these phones have their pros and cons and it all comes down to personal preference.
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What do you get for battery life after flashing the 935u?
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What do you get for battery life after flashing the 935u?
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Here's screenshots of what I'm getting for today.
Please all give your support, if you all so are sick and tired, for having paid nearly 1000$ for a phone that still is on Android Nougat 7.0. If we are lucky some will maybe get Oreo in marts, but more likely first after launch of Samsung Galaxy 9.
I will never buy Samsung phone again for sure. Overpaid switzerknife.
Most of us are already running Oreo on our devices
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Please all give your support, if you all so are sick and tired, for having paid nearly 1000$ for a phone that still is on Android Nougat 7.0. If we are lucky some will maybe get Oreo in marts, but more likely first after launch of Samsung Galaxy 9.
I will never buy Samsung phone again for sure. Overpaid switzerknife.
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You only have yourself to blame, should have done your research before you buy a phone, sure Samsung don't haven't the fastest release cycle but this is not something new, you must have a lot money to throw money around willy nilly without doing your own due diligence 1st.
We've had Android phones for eight years. You should know by now which brands release updates faster than others. And Samsung isn't one of them.
That being said, I'm in no hurry to get Android Oreo. Nougat is one of the best Android has ever released, and it's working extremely well on my S7 and S8. Besides, they've been releasing security patches quite regularly, so they can release Oreo whenever they feel is ready.
What on earth gave you the idea that anyone cared in slightest what you think about samsungs release schedule, moreso what you plan purchasing or not purchasing (as the case may be)
Seriously i want to know so that i can hopefully make them stop.
Maybe a mod will see this and grant my second place wish, which is to lock this thread as not only does it not ask a question or answer one, it has no positive value whatsoever.
Sorry man people are right ! Samsung is not the fastest to give update but they aways bring the upadate for example oreo will be out at the end of february if you dont like to wait costom roms wit oreo as many as you like in here.....
Why when they do reviews they never complain about Bloat and no Updates?
It is like no reviewer has a clue..... S7, S8, S9
You get one update maybe 6 months after it is released. Yes Oreo is out 9 months after it was released, good luck getting the next release after Oreo.
You do not want any Samsung Apps .... good luck disabling them.
Me I am going with the next Pixel Phone I have had it with Samsung.
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What on earth gave you the idea that anyone cared in slightest what you think about samsungs release schedule, moreso what you plan purchasing or not purchasing (as the case may be)
Seriously i want to know so that i can hopefully make them stop.
Maybe a mod will see this and grant my second place wish, which is to lock this thread as not only does it not ask a question or answer one, it has no positive value whatsoever.
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Why would you respond if you didn't care? ?
To be honest, for myself, having the newest Android isn't a problem.
I prefer having a phone with good overall hardware and processing capabilities. Also, so far, nothing very important comes to android oreo.
For instance, I prefer having a S8, 700~$ android nougat phone with Samsung Dex capabilities and great camera rather than having another brand, 500-600$ish android oreo phone with mediocre camera and hardware.
Exactly! There's so much to enjoy the S7 and S8 with Nougat.
I have oreo on my s8 and there isnt really a whole lot new, some, but not a lot.
I researched heavily into update releases, I originally bought the Sony XZ1 Compact with Oreo as Sony are supposedly really good at updates and to be honest they arent bad but the default Oreo software on those phones is seriously flawed with constant reboots on a number of exchanged devices. I ended up with Samsung as for the price they are ok, not super slow but not super fast and I've got a great little phone too.
Pixel 2 was a lot more expensive at the point I upgraded but if not Id have gone for that purely because of the updates.
My only disappointment with my S8 is the curved screen which looks great but serves no real purpose and inhibits the use of glass screen protectors. I now have to use a bulky wrap around case or take a big expensive risk. If it had a flat screen it would have been easy to get a screen protector for it. Oreo is great and im waiting for the final release too but I already have the beta and would be happy with Nougat too if I wasnt in beta.
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