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Samsung TW vs Apple IOS

Apple with every launch of a new IOS version, its features are replicated from 3GS to latest Ipad.
Whenever Samsung launches a new TW it completely forgets the past, breaks android evolution (ex. ICS in SI), most likely won't update TW in SII (and forgot to fix camera firmware issues), most software innovations (crap or not) in SIII are not followed through older gen.
Most likely leaving the "dirty" work for developers to clean Samsung mess.
This alone is probably the strongest selling point of Apple, which looks after older models.
What's your feedback on this? Shouldn't we demand more from Samsung?

a few things..
1) whats your point?
2) you compare a launcher/UI to a whole OS
3) what are you complaining about?
Youre in a great community here. and when the time comes (of this yet to be released device..) there are a few people who will gladly pick that work up I believe..
4) dont think this can be a serious discussion without flaming.. so I guess this will be closed shortly..

This is an android forum and noone gives a rat's ass about iphones.
Theyre overpriced, ugly and terribly limited devices.
Close this thread please.

Just thought of this, and how Samsung in one year time will likely "forget" SIII.
Thinking again about it, maybe it's better to delete this post. Sorry about this guys.

pacc said:
Just thought of this, and how Samsung in one year time will likely "forget" SIII.
Thinking again about it, maybe it's better to delete this post. Sorry about this guys.
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You of all people should know they won't because you just installed JW5 on your S1 didn't you.
You received selected android 4.0 features and s2 additions on a i9000 2.3.6 rom. This is as good as it gets. Look at other manufacturers like sony or motorola or htc. None of them give you these kind of benefits.
The i9000 and i9100 are extremely popular and very very successful devices. No wonder they keep pushing updates for them. Be glad of what you have. I own multiple devices, S1 and S2 included, and both of them are definitely my favorites.
They are free and open, they have great displays, looks, sdcard slots. Performance wise they basically declass every other phone including my gnex which fails miserably in that aspect. Everything from the launcher, browser through games and calculation heavy applications run great.

In addition, Apple could give a rat's ass about older models. They'll give them enough to keep most complaints at bay but otherwise, they want your fresh earned money for the newer stuff. Siri ring a bell?

Thanks for your opinion, of which I agree to almost everything.
This thread should be closed, don't know exactly what was in my mind.

this forum is full of hysteric overreacting wenches on steroids ..
He asked a legitimate question about Samsung policy in handling their franchise, not about your sisters bra sizes to throw a hissy fit like that ..

General stuff to general thread

Galaxy S III - "Inspired by Apple, Made for iPhone Users"

I dont know if anyone else read the article on androidandme with some marketing guy for Samsung, but it was extremely disappointing. He acknowledges that Samsung needed to put out the best possible specifications to "decimate" the competition when they released the GS2. And now the market has changed and there are too many good spec phones out so now the market needs a phone with an amazing "experience".
To me this sounds like Sammy has abandoned the huge cult of people that bought the SII and made the company what it is today in the smartphone market. Instead they've turned their attention to trying to attract iPhone customers,
I dont know about you, but I love walking around with my Galaxy SII and slamming iPhone 4 users for not having the specs to compete. and slamming 4S users for having the specs and lacking the freedom to do anything with it.
I can't imagine going back to iPhone, everyone in my family owns one, and I'm responsible for it. I was an iPhone fanboy, which i dont regret. I have to admit iPhone ushered in the touchscreen era. But its us, the early iPhone adopters, who first felt the need for more and moved on to better things. We went to Samsung because of their track record, knowing that they were the ones supplying the iphone with hardware. And boy did they get it right, the Galaxy S2 needs no introduction. Its revered for its spectacular spec sheet, and even more, for its tremendous following (and it doesn't hurt that most of them are on XDA ).
So instead of catering to the people that were ahead of the curve, the ones that got sick of the iPhone and bought the SII, they left us hanging out to dry.
IMO this is why the S III is a disappointing FAIL, at least for the users that have ever found the need for a visit to XDA. This isnt to say that I wont buy the S3, I will... but I wont sell my S2. And that says a lot I think, it says that early adopters will always be early adopters. And the S2 wouldn't have been such a hit if it weren't for us replenishing the well. It definately wasnt a hit because of the "marketing department" at Samsung. [I dont remember ever seeing an S2 ad before buying it ]
And that's what shocks me most, instead of drilling deeper into the well, someone at Samsung convinced the company to drill a new well right next to Apple's.
Samsung, you're not Apple, you cant sell "magic", and you shouldn't want to because only stupid people believe in magic. You're customers are smart, we bought the SII because it was the 'shizzle' no matter how you put it. Focus on the hardware, innovate the cpu, camera, ram, screen [HD Super AMOLED PLUS!!!!!!!!!], build materials and design, then software [because we're gonna rip it out anyways, ]. Leave the selling to us, I made everyone in my family buy iPhones, and that includes extended family, relatives and friends. and guess what, now they're all buying Galaxy S II's because of me. I'm sure I'm not the only one like this or else the SII wouldnt have been such a hit. Focus on what we can sell, not what your marketing needs to help them sell [cheap gimmicks that may or may not catch on]
I'll leave it by saying this, "Samsung, let Apple worry about selling magic to the masses, you should worry about making products that sell themselves."
BTW guys, no boycott intended or anything like that. P.S. Dont hesitate to place your vote on the pole above, I think its interesting to see what SII owners think.
...I have to say that after reading some replies by people who have handled it, I'm getting a better idea about the S3. I'm even starting to think its underestimated, which is enticing to me for some reason. I'm glad to say that some of you guys are starting to shed some light on the things that Samsung left out. ie. Apparently the camera sensor is swapped for a capable low light shooter, and the video is greatly improved. This is what I really want hear keep it coming.

What?!
Seriously, I understood nothing you just wrote.
What does Apple have to do with Samsung releasing Galaxy S3?
Why is Galaxy S3 a failure and made for "Iphone costumers"? S3 is nothing like Iphone.
In fact, Samsung took all the measures to make it look a lot different than it's competitor, mostly to avoid more legal rights.

I agree with you galaxy s3 is sucks in design but it's free from any copyrights infringement that might somehow happen in the future (design, etc.).
I have a quote
"if you're smart you'll choose superior device with better hardware, higher utility, and more freedom rather than a "fruit" device..."

MaKTaiL said:
What?!
This must be the biggest nonsense I've read on XDA.
Seriously, I understood nothing you just wrote.
What does Apple have to do with Samsung releasing Galaxy S3?
Why is Galaxy S3 a failure and made for "Iphone costumers"? S3 is nothing like Iphone.
In fact, Samsung took all the measures to make it look a lot different than it's competitor, mostly to avoid more legal rights.
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Thats cool, i respect your opinion . I dont mind, I just wanted take a pulse reading to see if anyone else noticed what I was seeing.
Btw, do you own an SII?

vertrag said:
I agree with you galaxy s3 is sucks in design but it's free from any copyrights infringement that might somehow happen in the future (design, etc.).
I have a quote
"if you're smart you'll choose superior device with better hardware, higher utility, and more freedom rather than a "fruit" device..."
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I actually think the design is prolly the best thing about the phone, but mainly I'm referring to the direction that Samsung took with the phone

s.alkari said:
Thats cool, i respect your opinion . I dont mind, I just wanted take a pulse reading to see if anyone else noticed what I was seeing.
Btw, do you own an SII?
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Yes, I have an SII. I won't buy SIII though because I'm out of money and this phone cost A LOT in Brazil (mostly 2x more than other countries).
Sorry if I sounded a bit rude on the other post.

MaKTaiL said:
Yes, I have an SII. I won't buy SIII though because I'm out of money and this phone cost A LOT in Brazil (mostly 2x more than other countries).
Sorry if I sounded a bit rude on the other post.
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No worries man, no offense taken.

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No worries man, no offense taken.
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So, I read your text one more time. Tell me if I'm right:
So you are saying that Samsung should have included all those new software features on Galaxy S2 instead of releasing a new Hardware that, despite being "better", Galaxy S2 can still run everything without the added power.
Samsung should have made a better support for S2 instead of moving on to the next generation. Is that right?

MaKTaiL said:
So, I read your text one more time. Tell me if I'm right:
So you are saying that Samsung should have included all those new software features on Galaxy S2 instead of releasing a new Hardware that, despite being "better", Galaxy S2 can still run everything without the added power.
Samsung should have made a better support for S2 instead of moving on to the next generation. Is that right?
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Actually no, what i meant was that I like that Samsung made some improvements in the software, but I dont like that it prioritized the things that made the S2 great, so low on its list. I feel like samsung's priorities are: Marketing>Software>Design>hardware. Where it should have been: Hardware[Screen+camera+cpu+gpu.etc]>Design[not bad on the S3]>Software[not bad on the S3]>marketing. They should have spent less money on marketing because it was already the most anticipated phone, and devoting more money on developing and releasing new hardware [newer gen dual core might be better than the old gen quad core, people dont watch movies and surf the net simultaneously on their phones, although it is a cool feature], and design [already not bad, maybe more futuristic materials, perhaps even waterproofing?]. And it shouldn't have been that hard to know this, the world's blogs were bustling with hopes for the S3

s.alkari said:
Actually no, what i meant was that I like that Samsung made some improvements in the software, but I dont like that it prioritized the things that made the S2 great, so low on its list. I feel like samsung's priorities are: Marketing>Software>Design>hardware. Where it should have been: Hardware[Screen+camera+cpu+gpu.etc]>Design[not bad on the S3]>Software[not bad on the S3]>marketing. They should have spent less money on marketing because it was already the most anticipated phone, and devoting more money on developing and releasing new hardware [newer gen dual core might be better than the old gen quad core, people dont watch movies and surf the net simultaneously on their phones, although it is a cool feature], and design [already not bad, maybe more futuristic materials, perhaps even waterproofing?]. And it shouldn't have been that hard to know this, the world's blogs were bustling with hopes for the S3
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Ohhhh, now I'm getting it.
Well, IMO they were focusing on a little bit better hardware to lower the price.
S2 is already a very fast device, improving it even more wouldn't make much sense.
Yes, improving hardware is a must for newer devices, but improving it too much wouldn't be necessary in my opinion.
It would increase the price too much and for me the biggest advantage of the Galaxy series (and Android for that matter) is the price.
Iphone has much lower specs and it still very expensive. I would never spent my money on it, even if I had enough to buy 100.
But I understood your point.
However I think Samsung focusing on improving the Software was a must.
Touchwiz 5 included a lot of custom rom's features that no company has ever included before like battery percentage, customizable lockscreen widget bar and notification window, etc.
These things would only be possible on custom roms like Cyanogen for instance.
It's great that they finally understood why people felt the need to root their phones and decided to include these famous features on the stock firmware.
I only wish that Touchwiz 5, at least part of it, came to Galaxy S2 at some point.

MaKTaiL said:
Ohhhh, now I'm getting it.
Well, IMO they were focusing on a little bit better hardware to lower the price.
S2 is already a very fast device, improving it even more wouldn't make much sense.
Yes, improving hardware is a must for newer devices, but improving it too much wouldn't be necessary in my opinion.
It would increase the price too much and for me the biggest advantage of the Galaxy series (and Android for that matter) is the price.
Iphone has much lower specs and it still very expensive. I would never spent my money on it, even if I had enough to buy 100.
But I understood your point though.
However I think Samsung focusing on improving the Software was a must.
Touchwiz 5 included a lot of custom rom's features that no company has ever included before like battery percentage, customizable lockscreen widget bar and notification window, etc.
These things would only be possible on custom roms like Cyanogen for instance.
It's great that they finally understood why people felt the need to root their phones and decided to include these famous features on the stock firmware.
I only wish that Touchwiz 5, at least part of it, came to Galaxy S2 at some point.
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you make a good point, I know that what your saying is right. Price being important and all, and I will always appreciate software improvements [samsung does it well, the difference between touch 3 and 4 and now 5 is in the right direction]. but in terms of pricing i had hoped that due to samsung being the source of its hardware, that it would enable it to pass the savings on. whereas apple still has to buy all of its parts, which partly explains the price.

Customers had lot of expectation for S3...
They would have given 12Mp cam
2GB Ram...Rest of the hardware is good.
Display would have been bit better one.
There is no much diffrence from S2....
I will wait for S4 or Next Nexus release by december 2012

Well, let's wait and see what others think about this.
I gotta go now, it's 1:04 AM here in Brazil and I have to wake up early tomorrow. See ya!
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lvvine said:
Customers had lot of expectation for S3...
They would have given 12Mp cam
2GB Ram...Rest of the hardware is good.
Display would have been bit better one.
There is no much diffrence from S2....
I will wait for S4 or Next Nexus release by december 2012
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I will wait and see if Samsung will ever release TW5 on S2.
If not, I will have to buy S3 at some point. I loved the new features and customizations.

MaKTaiL said:
Well, let's wait and see what others think about this.
I gotta go now, it's 1:04 AM here in Brazil and I have to wake up early tomorrow. See ya!
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I will wait and see if Samsung will ever release TW5 on S2.
If not, I will have to buy S3 at some point. I loved the new features and customizations.
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Take care bro, i hit your thanks button, its always fun talking to ppl that know what theyre talkin bout.

lvvine said:
Customers had lot of expectation for S3...
They would have given 12Mp cam
2GB Ram...Rest of the hardware is good.
Display would have been bit better one.
There is no much diffrence from S2....
I will wait for S4 or Next Nexus release by december 2012
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vote on my pole, id appreciate your vote

s.alkari said:
Actually no, what i meant was that I like that Samsung made some improvements in the software, but I dont like that it prioritized the things that made the S2 great, so low on its list. I feel like samsung's priorities are: Marketing>Software>Design>hardware. Where it should have been: Hardware[Screen+camera+cpu+gpu.etc]>Design[not bad on the S3]>Software[not bad on the S3]>marketing. They should have spent less money on marketing because it was already the most anticipated phone, and devoting more money on developing and releasing new hardware [newer gen dual core might be better than the old gen quad core, people dont watch movies and surf the net simultaneously on their phones, although it is a cool feature], and design [already not bad, maybe more futuristic materials, perhaps even waterproofing?]. And it shouldn't have been that hard to know this, the world's blogs were bustling with hopes for the S3
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The problem is that you are speaking from the POV of a techie who knows his stuff. I myself was hoping for a dual core Krait/A15, however even Samsung said the average consumer will choose a quad core A9 over a dual core Krait/A15. So Samsung knows that the average consumer are idiots. LOL. (Rather like the people who think that a V12 Mustang is more powerful than a V6 Nissan GT-R)
The thing is software is one of the most oft criticised things about the S2. I have heard fruit users complain that its hard to use (whether they truly find it like that or its fanboyism I can't tell). Its good that they are working on the software front because software is just as important as hardware. If Samsung can convince a fruit user is just a intuitive as a fruit then its a victory.
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Logi_Ca1 said:
The problem is that you are speaking from the POV of a techie who knows his stuff. I myself was hoping for a dual core Krait/A15, however even Samsung said the average consumer will choose a quad core A9 over a dual core Krait/A15. So Samsung knows that the average consumer are idiots. LOL. (Rather like the people who think that a V12 Mustang is more powerful than a V6 Nissan GT-R)
The thing is software is one of the most oft criticised things about the S2. I have heard fruit users complain that its hard to use (whether they truly find it like that or its fanboyism I can't tell). Its good that they are working on the software front because software is just as important as hardware. If Samsung can convince a fruit user is just a intuitive as a fruit then its a victory.
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Well put my man, I guessed as much regarding the cpu. I guess I'm like a teacher's pet, who loves the teacher, but the teacher keeps putting me on back burners because some kids need more attention. I dont know if that makes any sense, all i know is that I would have liked to see Sammy give the people that appreciate their devices some more love, instead of trying to convince other users to love them.

Logi_Ca1 said:
The problem is that you are speaking from the POV of a techie who knows his stuff. I myself was hoping for a dual core Krait/A15, however even Samsung said the average consumer will choose a quad core A9 over a dual core Krait/A15. So Samsung knows that the average consumer are idiots. LOL. (Rather like the people who think that a V12 Mustang is more powerful than a V6 Nissan GT-R)
The thing is software is one of the most oft criticised things about the S2. I have heard fruit users complain that its hard to use (whether they truly find it like that or its fanboyism I can't tell). Its good that they are working on the software front because software is just as important as hardware. If Samsung can convince a fruit user is just a intuitive as a fruit then its a victory.
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you really hit the nail on the head for me, i had to thank button you
you got a vote for me?

in what way this thread is related to s2???? it should be either in s3 thread or in general!!
People always have higher expectation , it will never be possible for any company to satsify all.

s.alkari said:
Well put my man, I guessed as much regarding the cpu. I guess I'm like a teacher's pet, who loves the teacher, but the teacher keeps putting me on back burners because some kids need more attention. I dont know if that makes any sense, all i know is that I would have liked to see Sammy give the people that appreciate their devices some more love, instead of trying to convince other users to love them.
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Lol personally I'm feeling the urge for a new device so I will most likely be getting the S3. Then when my contract ends in October I will get the iPhone 5, sell it, and get whatever Nexus is out at that moment.
The other source of my disappointment is the camera on the S3. At least its a new sensor, but I wish they put a bright aperture lens on that... My S2 struggles in low light. Well, not that the One X doesn't even with it's F2.0, from what I hear.
Again, the S3 is a mass market phone. With the HTC One X screaming "FIRST TO QUAD CORE" it would be hard for Samsung to scream back "DUAL CORE KRAIT WITH MUCH HIGHER IPC AND 28NM PROCESS". The average Joe just won't get it.

Galaxy S2 Development is dead.. NOT a rant thread

Well, This is the first time I make an useless thread in XDA, But I'm just really mad at how dead are the forums in S2 section.. Most of the developers moved to Galaxy S3, and I think the LG Optimus 4X and Transformer prime got a taste of CM10 already.
I've been checking twitter A LOT and almost none of the developers are working on S2, Codeworkx is working on i9100G and the rest on S3.
I'm not blaming the developers for leaving us, I mean not like they're forced to develop or they're getting paid. They're doing it for fun and some of them earn money from donations. And from what I've been reading, Jelly bean is hard to port on S2 because of the incompatible chips or something, they aren't open source friendly, but I mean, S2 is still in the main page as one of the most popular devices and actually no1 is trying to get CM10 to work on S2 /: when I saw Galaxy S3 I was like.. god that's an ugly phone and it uses pentile, the battery seems lame and they didn't use the dual core exynos that is faster, I don't remember the name of that processor, so i thought not many people would move to S3. I can afford a S3 but I think it's a waste of money when i have a S2 which is super fast and the screen is amazing, and to me, the design is better on S2.
IF you wanna post your thoughts about the development in S2 lately feel free, if not just leave this useless thread.
after all this is the general section about Galaxy S2. I'm just kinda sad and disapointed, when JB was released the CM team said it'd be super super easy to upgrade from ics to jb, again I'M NOT blaming the developers or trying to get anything with this thread, the developers are amazing persons that made a lot of things for our device already and i love em

has HTC seanstion got CM10? has Optimus 2X got Cm9 ?
So my dear foolish friend stop comparing ur phone with the latest ones and wait for a while !!

Sgs2 forum seems kinda dead in the couple of months and weeks lately and we can't blame the devs for having the latest toys to play with. Anyway, even though this is the general forum for sgs2 i don't think rant threads are accepted here. I have seen alot of threads like this being closed down. I suggest change the title and the message a bit in order for your thread to not be closed by the mods. I too want JB and so are the others, the best thing for us to do is wait for sammy or other devs to port JB in our device. Cheers!
Btw, by S3 you mean the U.S variants? Because the international version of Sgs3 has a quadcore exynos processor while the us variants have a dual core S4 processor.
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Well, This is the first time I make an useless thread in XDA, But I'm just really mad at how dead are the forums in S2 section.. Most of the developers moved to Galaxy S3, and I think the LG Optimus 4X and Transformer prime got a taste of CM10 already.
I've been checking twitter A LOT and almost none of the developers are working on S2, Codeworkx is working on i9100G and the rest on S3.
I'm not blaming the developers for leaving us, I mean not like they're forced to develop or they're getting paid. They're doing it for fun and some of them earn money from donations. And from what I've been reading, Jelly bean is hard to port on S2 because of the incompatible chips or something, they aren't open source friendly, but I mean, S2 is still in the main page as one of the most popular devices and actually no1 is trying to get CM10 to work on S2 /: when I saw Galaxy S3 I was like.. god that's an ugly phone and it uses pentile, the battery seems lame and they didn't use the dual core exynos that is faster, I don't remember the name of that processor, so i thought not many people would move to S3. I can afford a S3 but I think it's a waste of money when i have a S2 which is super fast and the screen is amazing, and to me, the design is better on S2.
IF you wanna post your thoughts about the development in S2 lately feel free, if not just leave this useless thread.
after all this is the general section about Galaxy S2. I'm just kinda sad and disapointed, when JB was released the CM team said it'd be super super easy to upgrade from ics to jb, again I'M NOT blaming the developers or trying to get anything with this thread, the developers are amazing persons that made a lot of things for our device already and i love em
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+1

i agree with you! but something else made me an impression, the sgs2 community are a bunch of kids (i dont mean you exactly). if i open a thread and if i type "moron", "retard", "idiot" or some other offensive name calling i get instant results! why is that? why does everybody call the other some name? are you better than the rest? no.. have you done anything to contribute to the community (besides being a huge SoB)? no.. then shut up.. the HTC community is much more friendly, and best of all people are always trying to port something.. here we find 20 different versions of aokp, cm9 and so on.. basically exactly the same, but they've added their preferred fonts, wallpaper and all that crap. it's like that because the real developers you can count on your both hands.. the other ones are a joke.. if you put different tweaks, kernel, modem and you theme a rom.. that doent make you a developer.. developers develop.. they make programs, port roms, make things that dont work or arent compatible - compatible and working.
THAT's MY opinion.. agree with it or not

It is my 3rd day using s2 coz my nephew get himself an s3..
Prreviously i was using an s1 and the development for it was great!
I was kind of hoping s2 has the great development just like s1

aaron_my said:
It is my 3rd day using s2 coz my nephew get himself an s3..
Prreviously i was using an s1 and the development for it was great!
I was kind of hoping s2 has the great development just like s1
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The Sgs2 has alot of development last year.
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I feel the same. But I am patient waiting for Samsung to release a source code and then CM10 will surely happen to S2 as well... I am also trying to trade my s2 with a Nexus but can`t find some one to do so. Anyways, CM is great and they are doing a great job. Keep up the good work guys!

Stop whining ...
It's kind of true ... thinks really slowed down a lot!
We might expect:
- official 4.0.4 rolling out july - august (for sure)
- official 4.1 this year (maby)
But cm10 undoubtedly will become a very good alternative due time, expanding life of my smartphone a year or even two.
I have no problem using my beautiful phone as a ... phone ... instead of using it as an ongoing development project
If one is addicted to a daily firmware fix ... then stop whining and move on to then next hot piece of hardware

iconata said:
i agree with you! but something else made me an impression, the sgs2 community are a bunch of kids (i dont mean you exactly). if i open a thread and if i type "moron", "retard", "idiot" or some other offensive name calling i get instant results! why is that? why does everybody call the other some name? are you better than the rest? no.. have you done anything to contribute to the community (besides being a huge SoB)? no.. then shut up.. the HTC community is much more friendly, and best of all people are always trying to port something.. here we find 20 different versions of aokp, cm9 and so on.. basically exactly the same, but they've added their preferred fonts, wallpaper and all that crap. it's like that because the real developers you can count on your both hands.. the other ones are a joke.. if you put different tweaks, kernel, modem and you theme a rom.. that doent make you a developer.. developers develop.. they make programs, port roms, make things that dont work or arent compatible - compatible and working.
THAT's MY opinion.. agree with it or not
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I totally agree with your point on having different versions of the same ROM with only changed icons, wallpapers and other non sense stuff. No new feature addition or anything of that sort.
Thats why I'm either on Samsung's Official ROM or on CM9.....coz both of them are unique in their own way. Others are simply tweaks of these 2 ROMs only.
Sorry, I find MIUI pretty lame....

If codeworx would see this he would say blame samsung
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No one likes to work on the S II. Codeworkx is working more on the i9100G because it's OMAP, lot more easier [and fking great, his words] than Exynos. The S I development is better than the S II, because the S I hardware is very similar to the Nexus One, so, nexus... you know. The Galaxy S JB will be better than the Galaxy S II JB. That's why, and more things, I really want to sell my S II and buy the Galaxy Nexus. The hardware of the Nexus is just a bit [really bit] lower than the S II. But with JB it just turns the Nexus a kickass phone, much better than the S II. Most likely S II won't get JB, even Samsung is tired of working on it.
So, +1 to your ideas.

GalaxyGusta said:
If codeworx would see this he would say blame samsung
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ephraim033 said:
Sgs2 forum seems kinda dead in the couple of months and weeks lately and we can't blame the devs for having the latest toys to play with. Anyway, even though this is the general forum for sgs2 i don't think rant threads are accepted here. I have seen alot of threads like this being closed down. I suggest change the title and the message a bit in order for your thread to not be closed by the mods. I too want JB and so are the others, the best thing for us to do is wait for sammy or other devs to port JB in our device. Cheers!
Btw, by S3 you mean the U.S variants? Because the international version of Sgs3 has a quadcore exynos processor while the us variants have a dual core S4 processor.
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There's a dual core exynos that runs better than the quadcore I don't remember the name, and thanks i'll take your advice and change the title

There's still some hope.
SGS2 isn't flagship device. however even if Galaxy Note would be promised JB devs will get some blobs.
If I remember also the Galaxy Tab 2 and 7" variants are Exynos means some support could be get from those.

PunkOz said:
when I saw Galaxy S3 I was like.. god that's an ugly phone and it uses pentile, the battery seems lame and they didn't use the dual core exynos that is faster, I don't remember the name of that processor, so i thought not many people would move to S3. I can afford a S3 but I think it's a waste of money when i have a S2 which is super fast and the screen is amazing, and to me, the design is better on S2.
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Pentile seems bad on a spec sheet, but in real life the implementation is stunning. Once I tried out the S3 I just had to have it, but I'm surprised how quickly everyone that used to be here have moved on to the S3.

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Pentile seems bad on a spec sheet, but in real life the implementation is stunning. Once I tried out the S3 I just had to have it, but I'm surprised how quickly everyone that used to be here have moved on to the S3.
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Well if everybody has tons of money it's obvious!
Personally I bought my S2 a year ago and I don't have the money to buy an S3! I was so happy when they announced jelly bean, because I knew the S2 has a big community and I thought it would have seen JB soon, but now I'm realizing that the developers have abandoned our device! What can I say, I'm really really disappointed! I will never buy another non-nexus device! Never never never never! Just wait one more year, Samsung will release another super device, all the developers will move to that device (with the money that users donate....) and then the S3 will no longer be supported. I've already said it, and I'm gonna say it again, This is not the spirit of android!

>no one is working on jb for the S2
Not true, codeworx and espenfjo are working on it, plus other devs.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28679156
I say, just be patient and wait, it's not like CM will abandon the S2, it'll just take more time comparing to other, more open, devices.
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ant987 said:
Well if everybody has tons of money it's obvious!
Personally I bought my S2 a year ago and I don't have the money to buy an S3! I was so happy when they announced jelly bean, because I knew the S2 has a big community and I thought it would have seen JB soon, but now I'm realizing that the developers have abandoned our device! What can I say, I'm really really disappointed! I will never buy another non-nexus device! Never never never never! Just wait one more year, Samsung will release another super device, all the developers will move to that device (with the money that users donate....) and then the S3 will no longer be supported. I've already said it, and I'm gonna say it again, This is not the spirit of android!
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the same happened to me.. i had a big hope and now i see everyone is getting JB and we havn't even started /: It feels weird you know, we're used to get all the updates and now S2 is dead. I also bought my galaxy S2 and since then i check the forums daily for updates, new kernels, roms etc, I've flashed over 100 roms or even more. Am I the only one that feels like the S3 isn't worth it if you have a S2? D:

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>no one is working on jb for the S2
Not true, codeworx and espenfjo are working on it, plus other devs.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28679156
I say, just be patient and wait, it's not like CM will abandon the S2, it'll just take more time comparing to other, more open, devices.
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Codeworkx is only working on i9100G I stalk his twitter a lot and that post is old but yea, we have to be patient and stop rushing the devs (If there r any still here)

But GT-I9100G is much easier to port since has a more open hardware, who would start from the hardest thing first and then leave the easiest for last? If it's easier you can get things done faster and later use the knowledge gained on the harder task.
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Stuck Between this and Galaxy Nexus

I'll be using Sprint for whichever device I select, but I have a few questions first.
The price difference is $100 between the two, with the s3 being more expensive, fine. But how are the colors on either device? I will be rooting of course, and going JB as soon as CM10 comes out for the s3. Also, the DPI is different, correct? I know the resolution is both the same, but the s3 is a little bit bigger than the Nexus.
After that, how is the call quality both microphone and speaker, along with the speaker for ringtones and things like that.
I guess it all comes down to preference, I haven't held either of these devices so I have no idea what I should do. I know the dev community is larger for the Nexus, because it's been out longer.
thanks!

If you must get a phone right now, get the S3 just because it's newer. The Nexus has been out for about 7-8 months, you might as well wait for the next Nexus at this point. With that said, I would've advised my wife to wait for the next Nexus because I hate the fact that non-Nexus devices have to wait forever to get updates, if they get it at all.

seriously not trying to be an ass, but there are at least 4-5 threads about this already.

woshiweili said:
If you must get a phone right now, get the S3 just because it's newer. The Nexus has been out for about 7-8 months, you might as well wait for the next Nexus at this point. With that said, I would've advised my wife to wait for the next Nexus because I hate the fact that non-Nexus devices have to wait forever to get updates, if they get it at all.
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I guess you're right, I'm coming from the Nexus S, so either one is a vast improvement. Something about the hardware for the Nexus just seems a little too bland for me.
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seriously not trying to be an ass, but there are at least 4-5 threads about this already.
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yea sorry about that, I didn't look.
I do have another question though, whats the difference between the carrier specific threads and the overall s3 threads? each one has their own dev page with different roms.

hardware over software end of discussion besides the cm10 we have right now is pretty damn good lol

master acehole said:
hardware over software end of discussion besides the cm10 we have right now is pretty damn good lol
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Does the carrier dev thread matter as to which ROM I download? there is a Sprint specific, then there is a whole other thread that doesn't even mention carriers.
Does Sprint have different specs for this phone? I keep seeing different reviews stating the phone has a dual-core CPU, but other reviews stating it has a quad-core. Can someone clarify.

Is development dying ????

I been having galaxy phone since the s2..... I even remember with the s3,s4 there were pages of development but starting with the 5 is all been going downhill ??? We have a couple devs that work their ass off to bring us top roms and kernels glad to have them aboard or it would be completely dead..... but it doesn't seem like it was as popular as before..... Are people going away from android, Or just no that interested into flashing roms no more..... I really miss the old days that you will sign into your device thread "TMOBILE" for me and would have to decide which rom and kernel to go with for the week lol......

gdmlaz said:
I been having galaxy phone since the s2..... I even remember with the s3,s4 there were pages of development but starting with the 5 is all been going downhill ??? We have a couple devs that work their ass off to bring us top roms and kernels glad to have them aboard or it would be completely dead..... but it doesn't seem like it was as popular as before..... Are people going away from android, Or just no that interested into flashing roms no more..... I really miss the old days that you will sign into your device thread "TMOBILE" for me and would have to decide which rom and kernel to go with for the week lol......
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get a nexus 6 its crazy there, i was flashing mad and sometimes 3/4 roms a day so no not dead just yet
just a bit slow here for now

Since note 3 this road has been slowly dieing
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hussam1988 said:
Since note 3 this road has been slowly dieing
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That's exactly what I feel I mean go into any galaxy s3, s4 thread and look how many roms are out there u get bored of thinking which to pick from....... Don't know if many devs have grown out of it and are doing other things with their lives now or there is not a demand like before but I got my galaxy 5 and it was dead only like 2 or 3 roms for the full year i owned the phone....... now with the galaxy 6 is looking even worse

gdmlaz said:
That's exactly what I feel I mean go into any galaxy s3, s4 thread and look how many roms are out there u get bored of thinking which to pick from....... Don't know if many devs have grown out of it and are doing other things with their lives now or there is not a demand like before but I got my galaxy 5 and it was dead only like 2 or 3 roms for the full year i owned the phone....... now with the galaxy 6 is looking even worse
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Knox counter happened
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Knox counter happened
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Do people really care about knox so much ?? I mean you could still turn in a device that has knox tripped for jump...... and warranty do they even care if you turn in a device that has knox tripped like phone insurance ? I never seemed what the big deal is

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Do people really care about knox so much ?? I mean you could still turn in a device that has knox tripped for jump...... and warranty do they even care if you turn in a device that has knox tripped like phone insurance ? I never seemed what the big deal is
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Never delivered a device into a dealer to test if warranty existed after a knox counter breached
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i've turned several rooted phones into t mobile for problems when they were rooted, and they couldnt care less about root or knox..
Where you MIGHT have an issue is if you send a phone into Samsung itself..
And, as far as dev for this phone, I think it will pick up some as more time passes; its really only been 30 days since the official release, but yeah, the note 4 had a few roms within the first few weeks it was released.
Frankly, I think that there are so many annoying N00bs buying Samsung phones, that alot of the top Dev's have stopped buying them and if they do, they just make roms for themselves and their close "friends"..
XDA has become a haven for the leeches, the "I expect answers and help immediately" crowd, and most of the top Dev's got sick of that nonsense and either went private or went to Nexus phones..
I think I might go nexus when its time to "jump" soon...

wase4711 said:
i've turned several rooted phones into t mobile for problems when they were rooted, and they couldnt care less about root or knox..
Where you MIGHT have an issue is if you send a phone into Samsung itself..
And, as far as dev for this phone, I think it will pick up some as more time passes; its really only been 30 days since the official release, but yeah, the note 4 had a few roms within the first few weeks it was released.
Frankly, I think that there are so many annoying N00bs buying Samsung phones, that alot of the top Dev's have stopped buying them and if they do, they just make roms for themselves and their close "friends"..
XDA has become a haven for the leeches, the "I expect answers and help immediately" crowd, and most of the top Dev's got sick of that nonsense and either went private or went to Nexus phones..
I think I might go nexus when its time to "jump" soon...
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That's it in a nutshell I think - I've been using custom roms and kernels since the original Galaxy S1 came out, and people on here and other forums have got progressively ruder and more demanding with each passing year, to the point where many devs have given up.
The sense of entitlement to features and support for what is usually a hobby for devs is sickening sometimes.
Also, to be fair, I think devices are getting that powerful and good than custom roms aren't needed to the same extent. Even root isn't as essential as it once was.

nofam said:
The sense of entitlement to features and support for what is usually a hobby for devs is sickening sometimes.
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Boy, that statement should be in the OP of EVERY ROM on XDA..

nofam said:
That's it in a nutshell I think - I've been using custom roms and kernels since the original Galaxy S1 came out, and people on here and other forums have got progressively ruder and more demanding with each passing year, to the point where many devs have given up.
The sense of entitlement to features and support for what is usually a hobby for devs is sickening sometimes.
Also, to be fair, I think devices are getting that powerful and good than custom roms aren't needed to the same extent. Even root isn't as essential as it once was.
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Your last point is what I think the real reason is. Android has gotten good enough that only the power users are going to root and constantly room a device. The average to techy user just doesn't see enough reasons to root a device. If you ask me, it is a pretty good problem to have.
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The only phones I've rooted and flashed were my Milestone and Captivate. Android hardware and software weren't exactly optimized at the time and performance wasn't great.
I've had my S3 for a good 3 years now and I never even rooted it. The performance was good enough that I never bothered. It only got slow with the most recent update but by now, the phone is 3 years old so I upgraded the hardware.
The other thing I didn't like about flashing is that once I did it, I often would have to flash again every other week because there was another update with fixes. It was hard to find something that I could flash and leave for 6 months or longer.

I will wish to jump to nexus if I can. My place or country rarely sell nexus. I didn't even see a real device my self. Only Samsung appear the most. My previous device was note 3, I do see the development slowing down. I hope the edge will have more developer since is a bit pricy and therfore, less newbie compare to s6

glad to see people are agreeing with me....... hopefully we could get a couple top devs back interested in developing some time soon

Another important factor is that Samsung is very closed source regarding their hardware, which makes it almost impossible for AOSP builds to run stably, especially on newer version of Android. Other vendors have made much more effort to support the developer community, so that's where the developers tend to head.

I dont know if I agree with that; my note 4 had/has several very nice and stable AOSP /cm12 based roms running 5.02 on it, but they were Snapdragon based, which may or may not be the difference when it comes to doing things with the Exnos processor..

I think you guys are forgetting that there are way more flagships from other manufacturers these days that are splitting the devs. Samsung used to be the king of the hill till HTC, Sony, LG and Motorola stepped up!
The Nexus is filled with lots of redundant roms which barely differentiate one from another.
When I owned the N5, I just left it at stock cause it was the most stable!

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Samsung used to be the king of the hill till HTC, Sony, LG and Motorola stepped up!
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Samsung was never king of the hill. HTC has made killer flagships since before Android. They also made the first Android phone. HTC has had the majority of devs since Windows Mobile. HTC was the main reason for xda to even exist. You want more devs, buy a HTC phone.
I think the real reason that Samsung doesn't get more devs here is because of the following:
1 Touchwiz
2 Touchwiz
3 KNOX
4 Switch to Samsung SoC
5 Devs know which devices are truly better, and the majority don't go Samsung.
It's a shame that Samsung is going down a path that is not dev friendly, after all competition is a good thing. They do have some nice hardware. If it weren't for Touchwiz(bloated bunch of crap) lagging the UI and KNOX, they would get a lot of attention here. But then again, all they really care about is totally volume of devices sold(like crapple), not if they are well received here. KNOX gets them enterprise sales, bye bye sd card!
BMW used to be a great company when they made only a few hundred thousand cars each year. Now they are like everyone else, they pump out high numbers of crap. Samsung is going down the same path.

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Samsung was never king of the hill. HTC has made killer flagships since before Android. They also made the first Android phone. HTC has had the majority of devs since Windows Mobile. HTC was the main reason for xda to even exist. You want more devs, buy a HTC phone.
I think the real reason that Samsung doesn't get more devs here is because of the following:
1 Touchwiz
2 Touchwiz
3 KNOX
4 Switch to Samsung SoC
5 Devs know which devices are truly better, and the majority don't go Samsung.
It's a shame that Samsung is going down a path that is not dev friendly, after all competition is a good thing. They do have some nice hardware. If it weren't for Touchwiz(bloated bunch of crap) lagging the UI and KNOX, they would get a lot of attention here. But then again, all they really care about is totally volume of devices sold(like crapple), not if they are well received here. KNOX gets them enterprise sales.
BMW used to be a great company when they made only a few hundred thousand cars each year. Now they are like everyone else, they pump out high numbers of crap. Samsung is going down the same path.
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Windows Mobile is not what is in question here! HTC was pretty much the only manufacturer that mattered in those days for that platform.
Ever since the first Galaxy S, Samsung has been king of the hill.
HTC is ridiculous with the S-Off nonsense in the same way that Samsung is with KNOX. But at least the bootloader is still unlocked for most of the Samsung variants!
Sony contributes to AOSP and encourages development it seems. Motorola is back in the game for now at least with the Moto X line. LG has been doing great since the Optimus G. OPO stole away a bunch of developers as well.
Lot more options now in comparison...not to mention the other great Chinese phones like Huwei, Xiaomi, ZTE, Oppo, Lenovo and the Taiwan based Asus!

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Another important factor is that Samsung is very closed source regarding their hardware, which makes it almost impossible for AOSP builds to run stably, especially on newer version of Android. Other vendors have made much more effort to support the developer community, so that's where the developers tend to head.
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^^^ This, and this ​vvv
wase4711 said:
I dont know if I agree with that; my note 4 had/has several very nice and stable AOSP /cm12 based roms running 5.02 on it, but they were Snapdragon based, which may or may not be the difference when it comes to doing things with the Exnos processor..
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Samsung device + Exynos SoC = closed source, thus no fully functional AOSP or CM-based ROMs.