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Samaung testing 2.3 on our I9000!

Samfirmware twittered last night http://mobile.twitter.com/samfirmware/status/34382086026567681
Samsung test Android 2.3 for i9000 and p1000 we have no more info at the moment.
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This is very good news!

Why make another thread for this ? It's already in the "Android 2.3 any info?" post.. It's XDA Forum here, not Twitter, we don't need zillion of posts about 2.3 status.

very good!!!!!

I think they testing on their own i9000 because mine still got 2.2 froyo wich is also not official rom because no foryo yet released for pakistan

samsung is extremely lazy in releasing updates, so relax and go to sleep !

Haven't they been 'testing' for months....
Useless!!
I was personally told they were testing 2.3 before froyo was even released for the sgs.
Come upgrade day, not sure I will stick with Samsung, I love my sgs but the updates and software coding they do to their own android versions, really does suck.
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While i agree with the Samsung bashing about software quality and other updates.
Is there any real benefit to roms on other devices. I know of cyanogen name miui. But at the end of the day there ain't too much of a benefit over what we already have.
At the end of the day what Samsung may lack in software they made up for in the hardware on our devices.
Everybody here will have done their research before buying the device, it weren't hard to work out Samsung were still getting to grips with android.
Im sure in time they will mature and make very good software, but this will take time. Rome wasn't built in a day.
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Totally agree man, the SGS was my first android, and also my first Samsung and I have been with them ever since. I have bought a nexus S the day it came out. Samsung hardware is great but they seemed to be overwhelmed with the different models and such. And with the SGS2 coming out soon, I am not sure about 2.3 for us. However that is why XDA is so important for us.
Rome might not be built in a day, but ROMs can be
SkinBobUk said:
While i agree with the Samsung bashing about software quality and other updates.
Is there any real benefit to roms on other devices. I know of cyanogen name miui. But at the end of the day there ain't too much of a benefit over what we already have.
At the end of the day what Samsung may lack in software they made up for in the hardware on our devices.
Everybody here will have done their research before buying the device, it weren't hard to work out Samsung were still getting to grips with android.
Im sure in time they will mature and make very good software, but this will take time. Rome wasn't built in a day.
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While I appreciate the fine work done on the xda ROM's, I would much rather like the official ROM that has undergone a lot of testing and has the backing of the manufacturer. Since Samsung has not given any indication of its commitment to a phone beyond a few months, the Galaxy S would probably be the last Samsung product that I buy.

chrisjcks said:
Haven't they been 'testing' for months....
Useless!!
I was personally told they were testing 2.3 before froyo was even released for the sgs. Come upgrade day, not sure I will stick with Samsung, I love my sgs but the updates and software coding they do to their own android versions, really does suck.
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This might come as a shock, but it's one thing to ship a customised ROM with plenty of upgrade issues (etc).
It's a total other for a major company to do so. I know the guys at XDA make ROM development seem easy, but the reality is, that's because Samsung has already done most the work for them.. Lets be realistic, any ROM out there in the community which isn't a slightly modified Samsung ROM, is extremely buggy still.. Furthermore, Samsung needs to consider the various rebranded models, etc.

Auzy said:
This might come as a shock, but it's one thing to ship a customised ROM with plenty of upgrade issues (etc).
It's a total other for a major company to do so. I know the guys at XDA make ROM development seem easy, but the reality is, that's because Samsung has already done most the work for them.. Lets be realistic, any ROM out there in the community which isn't a slightly modified Samsung ROM, is extremely buggy still.. Furthermore, Samsung needs to consider the various rebranded models, etc.
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Bro, have you tried CM7? It's fricken amazing.
A lot of folks here on XDA are (almost) as talented, or even more so, than half the clowns working at Samsung. I'm sure they learn a thing or two from around here.
Only reason the Nexus S is so good is because Google did all the development.
Yes, Samsung has eventually shipped very nice & fast 2.2.1 ROMs. But how long did it take, and how long will it take for Gingerbread?
I'm placing my faith in CM7 which will continue to improve.

chambo622 said:
Bro, have you tried CM7? It's fricken amazing.
A lot of folks here on XDA are (almost) as talented, or even more so, than half the clowns working at Samsung. I'm sure they learn a thing or two from around here.
Only reason the Nexus S is so good is because Google did all the development.
Yes, Samsung has eventually shipped very nice & fast 2.2.1 ROMs. But how long did it take, and how long will it take for Gingerbread?
I'm placing my faith in CM7 which will continue to improve.
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I wouldn't doubt samsung used some of the kernel devs from heres code in their 2.2.1 roms (namely lastufo, hardcore and trasig)

jaganm said:
While I appreciate the fine work done on the xda ROM's, I would much rather like the official ROM that has undergone a lot of testing and has the backing of the manufacturer. Since Samsung has not given any indication of its commitment to a phone beyond a few months, the Galaxy S would probably be the last Samsung product that I buy.
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Unfortunately that is also my point of view and I cannot spend my hard earned money to a company that cannot commit itself to it's costumers. Probably the Galaxy S will be the last phone from Samsung that I buy.
On a side note, I'm looking forward for the Nokia / Microsoft partnership. I played with a WP7 this days and I got very surprise by the build quality and software.

Arkymedes said:
Unfortunately that is also my point of view and I cannot spend my hard earned money to a company that cannot commit itself to it's costumers. Probably the Galaxy S will be the last phone from Samsung that I buy.
On a side note, I'm looking forward for the Nokia / Microsoft partnership. I played with a WP7 this days and I got very surprise by the build quality and software.
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WP7 would be mistake buddy ....

if we can't get 2.3 from samsung, maybe ROM modders here in XDA can

chambo622 said:
Bro, have you tried CM7? It's fricken amazing.
A lot of folks here on XDA are (almost) as talented, or even more so, than half the clowns working at Samsung. I'm sure they learn a thing or two from around here.
Only reason the Nexus S is so good is because Google did all the development.
Yes, Samsung has eventually shipped very nice & fast 2.2.1 ROMs. But how long did it take, and how long will it take for Gingerbread?
I'm placing my faith in CM7 which will continue to improve.
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I'm afraid this post is pure tripe!
CM7 is nowhere near stable yet; not even all the "advertised" features work! I'm not bashing them, because they know there's still bugs, but just think for a minute.... how vocal would you be, in a very demeaning manner, if Samsung had put out CM7 as it stands now?
As for Google "doing all the development [on Nexus S] - I think you'll find that they only did (at most) 50%. Most, if not all, the initial hardware driver support, which is the KEY to making Android work on any device, will have been done by Samsung, as it's them who has the knowledge, skills & facilities to make the phone. Once you've got the hardware drivers / abstraction layer; its very easy to put any OS you want on top! (do you really, really think there's a huge hardware difference between Samsung's Bada, Android, WP7 & even Symbian phones?)
Now, I'm not saying Samsung are the best at delivering updates, but they're better than some *cough* Motorola *cough* and their hardware is still the pinnacle of what's available. And yes, there's a few talented people on XDA, but there's also a hell of a lot more who muddy the waters and generally add to the nonsense going round by wrongly accusing Samsung / XDA devs / polar bears of X, Y, & Z.

Some of you have to take a good look into all that is "technology" and the likes...Most likely, once a device is out, YOU WILL NOT GET MAJOR UPDATES besides bug correction. And this is valid for every company.
Consider yourself lucky to get major release like 2.2 or 2.3, most of the others makers (HTC, Sony, Motorola) are still on 2.1.
Take a good look there and see by yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Android_devices
Most of the devices don't even have 2.2.1 and the only one with 2.3 is still Nexus S.
WP7 had a long run before releasing the first bug correction (not even sure if it's out yet...)
Even worst, iOs users have to PAY for their release
So, you can complain all you want but reality is far from what you are thinking...
Now, as for 2.3, it's supposed to be optimised for SGS hardware (because of the Nexus S), can't wait to see how it goes!

theres a good chance we will get 2.3 because galaxy s phone are still being sold and the 4g ones

I sincerely hope samsung is gonna surprise us one of these days (even then probably later rather than sooner), since 2.3 is finally optimized for the hummingbird aswell... Also the screen shutdown animation kicks ass.
On another note: Samsung should really communicate better, and ffs train your customer support. I tried to poke for some information earlier this week, and I got a response saying: Samsung is not responsible for the updates, please contact the responsible party, in this case "Android".

Testing ! In galaxy S2 v2.3 ... S3 v2.4
Galaxy S 16Gb Int
CM7 Honeycomb

S IV coming

Samsung is planning S IV to roll out in April 2013 possibly with unbreakble screen. Other features 13 mp camera picture density 441 ppi.(times of India Banaglore edition dated 7Dec2012, page18). So Note 3 may roll out in 4th quarter 2013 for which I am waiting, by that time my note 1 will be around 2 years old and I could willfully sell or give it to a family member. I think most of you will do the same thing, I shall catch up you guys there.
PS: I do not want to miss this crowd.

The best thing to do is buy one every two galaxies. I have an S2 and I'm gonna get an S4, S6 and so on.....
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I think I'm gonna jump ship to the Sony Xperia Yuga,if it comes out......with cyanogenmod leaving the Galaxy and Note lines(unless Sammy decides to scrap the Exynos SoC.....which,lets face it, is not gonna happen) and Sony offering full GPL compliance(read: almost all source code is released), I'm thinking about the Yuga.
Doesn't matter about the S-Pen, don't use it anyways; just bought the phone for the screen size and a .3" decrease doesn't seem that much different to me.

^^^This.
I don't care if it's S13 with fantastic phone features, which also gives you a BJ in the morning. Never again a Samsung for me. Ever.

Note 3 will be my next one regardless its features.
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chasmodo said:
^^^This.
I don't care if it's S13 with fantastic phone features, which also gives you a BJ in the morning. Never again a Samsung for me. Ever.
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Care to splain?

jeffs99 said:
Care to splain?
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Brickbug, no source code released despite numerous promises, CM team moving out of Samsuck development.

While we all (read I) appreciate what the CM team and team Hacksung may have done, lets face it, they are a minuscule minority to Samsung. CM also does not offer anything revolutionary over what a standard device can do, (OK, so maybe the code and is cleaner and there's less bloat, but its just as easy to remove the bloat from TW), and in terms of the Galaxy note, it actually takes away some of the most useful parts.
99% of users never even root their devices, and for them, the Brickbug does not exist and never has.
It's hardly a good reason to never use another Samsung device...Especially since they really are ahead of the curve at this point.
Just my opinion.

hkgrob said:
While we all (read I) appreciate what the CM team and team Hacksung may have done, lets face it, they are a minuscule minority to Samsung. CM also does not offer anything revolutionary over what a standard device can do, (OK, so maybe the code and is cleaner and there's less bloat, but its just as easy to remove the bloat from TW), and in terms of the Galaxy note, it actually takes away some of the most useful parts.
99% of users never even root their devices, and for them, the Brickbug does not exist and never has.
It's hardly a good reason to never use another Samsung device...Especially since they really are ahead of the curve at this point.
Just my opinion.
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The simple fact is we arent part of the 99% that never root their phones. We are the ones who enjoy the freedom of customizing every little aspect and squeezing every ounze of performance out. Some (like myself) can't stand touchjizz and to say that cm doesn't offer anything revolutionary is plain ignorant. The fact that Samsung isn't keeping the promises they make and continues to string us along is disgusting. I was a Samsung fanboy for years but after this ordeal I won't be buying another Samsung phone until they get their act together. Maybe cm is a miniscule minority to Samsung but there are still thousands of us who come here, to xda, to tweak, tinker and get the most out of our devices and cyanogenmod plays an enormous role in that. As xda members we look for devices with dev support, you can have the most high end phone in the world but if the devs aren't given what they need from the manufacturers then what's the point in even being here? You might as well become an iSheep. I am another who will be picking up a Sony yuga unless Samsung has their **** sorted by the time they release the gs4. For a company that's fighting apple as much as Samsung is they're starting to look more and more like them every day
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+1 with not getting another Samsung. The Note will be my first and last Samsung phone.
I'm so grateful for the devs that have made my Note worth having, if it wasn't for them I would of upgraded a long time a go.
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I don't care about brand. Only real estate. The next 5.3 to 6 inch screen phone with up to par technology is getting my money.
For the record, the Note looks terrible and build quality is even worse. I didn't buy a note 2.

The market is improving too fast these days.. Barely have time to catch up tiwht the bandwagon!
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Wouldn't this be more suitable in the S III forum? I don't care one bit, since I bought the Note for the screen size.

If S IV has the flexible 5" screen I'm jumping straight.
Tapatalking on my n7000

hkgrob said:
While we all (read I) appreciate what the CM team and team Hacksung may have done, lets face it, they are a minuscule minority to Samsung. CM also does not offer anything revolutionary over what a standard device can do, (OK, so maybe the code and is cleaner and there's less bloat, but its just as easy to remove the bloat from TW), and in terms of the Galaxy note, it actually takes away some of the most useful parts.
99% of users never even root their devices, and for them, the Brickbug does not exist and never has.
It's hardly a good reason to never use another Samsung device...Especially since they really are ahead of the curve at this point.
Just my opinion.
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I don't give a flying coitus about the 99 percent of users, I belong to the remaining 1 percent.

chasmodo said:
^^^This.
I don't care if it's S13 with fantastic phone features, which also gives you a BJ in the morning. Never again a Samsung for me. Ever.
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So what will be your next phone ?

MaKTaiL said:
The best thing to do is buy one every two galaxies. I have an S2 and I'm gonna get an S4, S6 and so on.....
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Like you said. Every odd number note is best to buy Like note1, note3, note5 so on...

Probably going to skip Samsung next time if Sony will continue their pro-development policy with Xperia Yuga phone. Don't get me wrong, CM10 runs great on my Note, but it's not nice to know some bugs will probably never be fixed because Samsung didnt keep their promise about releasing sources AGAIN. And since i hate TW-based roms, i can't stick with stock.
Anyway, Sony's TimeScape ( is this what it's called ? ) Android mod is probably the best non-aosp android build...

Well Samsung works for me. I had to root GS2 for regional font support and print screen. In GNote, I ran stock unrooted for 6 months as all that I needed were already there. Then I started exploring and flashed several ROMs. Some which are closest to Nexus version have everything in white background (eye straining). Some do not support SPen. Some had more annoying bugs than Samsung stock. So finally back to stock TW and TW is blessing. If I buy Galaxy Nexus, I will want to flash TW. When OS starts to reach maturity, having latest OS is not always required on the first day. For example - we can almost run everything in Windows XP, the same has started to hold true in Android too. And SPen is blessing, it has saved me borrowing pen from waiter and draw quick diagrams on tissue paper dozen times.
Sent from GNote.

hth2813 said:
So what will be your next phone ?
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I'm waiting for Durex 4 to be delivered.

Why Is This Device Has Low Developing Activity

I've been watching this space for last few days, especially to know how much active development this device would get. There is no doubt that this is one of the best device you can buy right now in the Android market. But it still has less active development than a high end device would see after a month of its release. And being a cousin to Nexus 5, I thought this device will see the added advantage of much more development but what ever is happening is absolutely opposite to it. The development activity is so less, compared to what previous flagships HTC One, S4 had after one month of their respective release, there isn't a need to create separate forums for each major (carrier) version of the device.
Is it because locked bootloaders? or something else?.

blame it on Samsung S series and Note...Plus LG isnt known yet for the average consumer

I've also seen a number of people say that they like what LG has done with the stock ROM on this one (and I agree). I used CM for a year and a half or so on my GNex, and the couple of times I've tried getting used to it on my G2, I've always gone back to stock within a day or two.

HelloDominick said:
blame it on Samsung S series and Note...Plus LG isnt known yet for the average consumer
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Yes, I agree that LG G2 is not as quite as popular as it should beconfused but an average user doesn't hang out in XDA looking for different roms. Even Sony's one or two years old phones are getting KitKat where as this phone has not even having more ROMS to choose from. This is supposed to be the flagship & highest speced device along with Galaxy Note 3. And as I said, being a distant cousin device of Nexus 5, I thought many ROMs from different beloved developers will be available for this device but it is not the case. Many people like me choose Android platform over other(Windows Phone 8 & IOS) because of the availability of different ROMs to choose from. But seeing that is not the case, even those people back off from buying this device.

antinorm said:
I've also seen a number of people say that they like what LG has done with the stock ROM on this one (and I agree). I used CM for a year and a half or so on my GNex, and the couple of times I've tried getting used to it on my G2, I've always gone back to stock within a day or two.
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Its not only AOSP ROMs but also stock based ROMs too

Patience guys, the ROM's are coming.
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If you want more development then learn to develop and provide your work to the masses. Seems to me there are a few good devs working on this phone. Keep in mind there are several variants which complicates things. I believe that the Nexus 5 will help get more ports for this device but I don't feel entitled to ask for anything or complain about slow development.

kimtyson said:
If you want more development then learn to develop and provide your work to the masses. Seems to me there are a few good devs working on this phone. Keep in mind there are several variants which complicates things. I believe that the Nexus 5 will help get more ports for this device but I don't feel entitled to ask for anything or complain about slow development.
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With due respect, before giving those heroic comments & suggestions, you should have understand what I'm trying to do with this thread, which is to get to know the reasons for not seeing as much development as we usually see with flagship phones(I don't know where you get the notion that I was complaining). I never tried or try to complain or demand anything, heck who the hell I'm to even think of those lines. I clearly was asking for the reasons in the OP(than complaining about any thing) that is it because of locked bootloaders or some other reasons. And every flagship has different variants, its not this phone alone.
But one thing I'm sure about is, any one who visits or comes frequently to this wonderful forum, he/she buys the device which is supported by our beloved developers, they don't care about the manufacturers supporting them in software update.

The "why no development for this device" threads are getting tiresome no matter how an OP tries to disguise it.
If you want a device with a lot a ROM's, I suggest you get a Nexus or a Galaxy S phone and not an LG, Plain and simple.

A lot of xda users know that LG suck at providing updates to the latest version of Android. Samsung and HTC used to be the same way but they have really improved. Besides when it comes to GSM devs, I think most preferred going with the cheaper option the Nexus 5 offers. Also, quite a few people don't really like the rear button placement. Most of us have gotten used to it but try convincing someone who has yet to try the device.

LG is in Samsung's shadow
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antinorm said:
I've also seen a number of people say that they like what LG has done with the stock ROM on this one (and I agree). I used CM for a year and a half or so on my GNex, and the couple of times I've tried getting used to it on my G2, I've always gone back to stock within a day or two.
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I think this is one of the reasons. Prior to getting the G2, I used phones that were as close to vanilla as possible, and modded my phone to be that. I am actually very pleased with how LG built their UI and I appreciate tge customization that is built in. I have never seen so many people on here so happy with the UI that they weren't in a rush to ROM their phones. Hell, the only reason I even rooted and added TWRP was to use certain apps.
The second reason I don't think it's not getting the support you're looking for is tge cost and how close to tge Nexus 5 it was released. If I was a developer, it would be hard to justify spending $600 outright for a phone when the Nexus was right around the corner with similar hardware for $350. The only thing that might motivate me to purchase the G2 would be the fact that I'm on Verizon and we won't be getting a Nexus.

crashN2u said:
I think this is one of the reasons. Prior to getting the G2, I used phones that were as close to vanilla as possible, and modded my phone to be that. I am actually very pleased with how LG built their UI and I appreciate tge customization that is built in. I have never seen so many people on here so happy with the UI that they weren't in a rush to ROM their phones. Hell, the only reason I even rooted and added TWRP was to use certain apps.
The second reason I don't think it's not getting the support you're looking for is tge cost and how close to tge Nexus 5 it was released. If I was a developer, it would be hard to justify spending $600 outright for a phone when the Nexus was right around the corner with similar hardware for $350. The only thing that might motivate me to purchase the G2 would be the fact that I'm on Verizon and we won't be getting a Nexus.
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I was lucky enough to get a nexus 5 very early after the launch...i played around with it the day i got then packed it up and sent it back the next day..bought a G2 the next day and am glad i did
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low devolpment?you haw minimum 10 stock costum rom and 8 aosp rom in all carriers.low dev?
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muhamet said:
low devolpment?you haw minimum 10 stock costum rom and 8 aosp rom in all carriers.low dev?
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Def low development for D803.
sent from my S4, Note 3 or G2

Theres a bounty in general to get all variants official AOKP. You want more development then donate.

force70 said:
Def low development for D803.
sent from my S4, Note 3 or G2
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force70 said:
Def low development for D803.
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Low development? There's no development.

Is pretty simple... Most devs knows that LG is not dev friendly and most devs has gone through this with LG before.

This particular lg is very dev friendly
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[protest] where are gone developers for gt-i9505? [protest]

I open this thread because I think there is something wrong.
Why the note3, note2 etc. already 'there are rom final of galaxy s5, ma s4 we are still to zero? I can not understand why!
I hope that the moderators can understand the outburst of a user who has a passion for android.
I hope I have given a shock to everyone in the friendly way.
thanks for your attention.

I know what you are saying. There doesn't seem to be many devs and themers etc in the international S4 forums, and the few there is dont seem to be very helpful or active, especially in the themes and apps thread.
In all the time I have been coming here, I don't think I have seen a single 'recognised developer' or 'recognised themer' in any of the many threads, especially the S5 threads.
It's pretty shocking really, especially with the S4 being so popular. You would think it would have far more support than it does.

oracle01642 said:
I know what you are saying. There doesn't seem to be many devs and themers etc in the international S4 forums, and the few there is dont seem to be very helpful or active, especially in the themes and apps thread.
In all the time I have been coming here, I don't think I have seen a single 'recognised developer' or 'recognised themer' in any of the many threads, especially the S5 threads.
It's pretty shocking really, especially with the S4 being so popular. You would think it would have far more support than it does.
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in fact! The galaxy s4 is one of the phones most 'popular, and you do not understand where are all the developers, maybe they are secretly at work but at least they could warn us so we are more' quiet ....
outputs are a few applications, and most also have bugs .... it's something a bit 'sad what's going on

It is sad but i have to agree the S4 is not getting attention of much developers, dont know why it is the most sold Android phone and still the Note 2 and 3 beat us for number of developers, they have ported all s5 apps and we are just struggling trying to do it by us with copying things here and there.
Dont know why so

For Note 2, Sammy released a fully Libs/Framwork Base, so porting was verry easy,
For Note 3, Devs Mad great works, but still in progress
For us, We need to wait

Yeah I agree with you guys note 3 got all s5 features even ultra power saving mode. All least they can port the rom ( ditto note 3 ) for us.

Something that Samsung should have provided to all flagshi pphones from day1...
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Lympe said:
Something that Samsung should have provided to all flagshi pphones from day1...
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amen to that m8

It would be nice if you all stop asking for this and that... No dev signed a contract saying he would provide all latest features to S4. Its not their job. So just wait until someone capable does that, if you can't wait sell your phone and buy the latest one as you want Thread reported.
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it's just a friendly protest!
it is useless to say you wait and sell the phone etc ... we all know how it works do not need him to tell you ... it was just kind of a question to understand why the developers for s4 (popular phone) are so 'absent
leeomendes said:
It would be nice if you all stop asking for this and that... No dev signed a contract saying he would provide all latest features to S4. Its not their job. So just wait until someone capable does that, if you can't wait sell your phone and buy the latest one as you want Thread reported.
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leeomendes said:
It would be nice if you all stop asking for this and that... No dev signed a contract saying he would provide all latest features to S4. Its not their job. So just wait until someone capable does that, if you can't wait sell your phone and buy the latest one as you want Thread reported.
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Yeah yeah yeah. The international S4 forums hardly gets any support from 'recognised' devs and themers etc, thats just the truth of the matter. You virtually never see recognised devs helping out in the apps and themes forum. With their knowledge and skills, they could get all or most of the latest and greatest apps from the S5 working on our phones, because everything that is needed to get them working, is right there in the ROM. It just needs someone knowledgable and with experience with android and TW ROM's to figure it out. I just wish the guys with the knowledge would help people out more!

nplnpl said:
I open this thread because I think there is something wrong.
Why the note3, note2 etc. already 'there are rom final of galaxy s5, ma s4 we are still to zero? I can not understand why!
I hope that the moderators can understand the outburst of a user who has a passion for android.
I hope I have given a shock to everyone in the friendly way.
thanks for your attention.
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Hahahhaha.
Bro let me tell u something
A lot of developer more likely to ported or focus on note due to certain reason
1st larger community starting from note 1.
2nd all dev are helping each other on rom
3rd note are more user friendly framework based on certain dev.
Just pray. So far follow more than one thread. S4, note 2 and note 3 development. And downloading 1xxx gb of rom files and apk of s5 to mod it with my s4.
So far i do excited. Even sometimes i have to flash and wipe my phone more than 5 times. Soft brick blalallalala
And do understand s9me of dev are studyin
Just relax and wait with patience hehhe
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@nplnpl isn't this a great opportunity you to step up to plate and become a recognized dev or themer
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Hi Dudes.
From a theme perspective, there is not too much to do nowadays for the S4. Stable ROMs with few unnoticeable firmware update changes led to this. Since KK release, Sammy added only 1 lonely PNG !!!
While porting a theme to the Note3 community, S5 apps flooded the ROMs with doubtful results. Lots of FC's ... Music hardly opens.
So, may be we can just enjoy the stability and try to calm down our ORD.
Nice regards.
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To be honest the is probably a few reasons we are seeing less and less on these forums.
1. Many ROMs are ported to dozens of devices, meaning maintainers are needed to work across all phones. Likelihood is some models are more time consuming then others.
2. The s4 was a flagship device, devs don't earn a huge amount for what they do so for a lot the top end devices are out of the question until the price drops
3. In line with above, as the price comes down, the price of newer models released do too. For example, my wife's note 3 was released at the same price my s4 was worth 6 months after release.
4. In general, a fair amount of Developers come from the US, this device is null and void to them.
5. We seem to of hit a plateau regarding features and performance for the s4 where as newer devices have newer features to build on.
6. Its summer (nearly) and a lot will be studying for exams
Make of my views what you will...
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While I do agree with the obvious.. all great devs have jumped ship, a thing I am truly sorry for, we have no right to protest. They don't owe us anything.
All they did, they did from passion and on this base they've created this wonderful community - xda which indeed grew along with Samsung and HTC a few years ago, period in which Samsung was the no 1 choice for any big dev.
They weren't payed for this, some didn't even got the respect they would've deserved and nowadays they have other priorities, other passions or other preferred device on which to try their magic. It's their decision, they probably have good reasons for this and we can just accept and respect their decision in respect for their great work.
Beside, the context has changed, now there are many potent OEMs, each really trying to do their best when it comes to fast updates, functionality of the sw and top notch hw.
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Anyway, just wanted to get you guys a glimpse of hope.
Apparently @sac23 is ready to start working on a direct port of the s5 to the s4 (just after he irons out the last few things the on the s5 port to n3).
This beside all the great work @Albe95 , @Arsaw , @Tamerlan2009 , @m_beek , @Carotix , all roms maintainers etc. are doing!
Fun isn't over yet boys!!!

if you are on xda..you shouldn't get this phone

Hi,
I've owned every Samsung flagship and a few nexus's since the Samsung galaxy S2 days(currently own a note 4), And I've always enjoyed XDA (and Android obviously) as I could root and change ROMS and do what ever I wanted with the phone.
However, I learned my lesson when I got the Exynos varient S4 a couple of years ago. As many of you know, Exynos really lacks development with AOSP based ROMS. With my S4 while the Snapdragon varient had a working and stable CM ROM after a month, on the Exynos forums we waited for maybe a year until we got a sami-working CM, and even the last I checked, just to see if progress was made, I saw that those Exynos related bugs are still there(random audio problems, etc). Because I was smarter when I went for the Note 4 I made sure to get the Snapdragon varient and sure enough I'm enjoying CM since basically the phone came out while those with the Exynos note4 had to literally make a forum wide donation, recruit a random dev from xda, fund and buy him a device and since then I think only lately the've started getting some AOSP love(after months and months of dev, and still there are annoying bugs).
I have no idea if it's because Samsung won't share their Exynos sources or just because it's more difficult to develop with this SoC. However- If you are on XDA I can imagine you like having fun with ROMS. Maybe not everyone, but most of us like this site for a reason.
The fact is that I hated my S4 days as I could only choose TouchWiz ROMS(and they aren't that much different). This time, even if I'm not on CM, I can always flash TouchWiz: I have the option, and it's so very much different and not frustrating to be bound to only touchwiz.
The choice is yours, and if there was a snapdragon varient i'd tell you to pick it(..I still like samsung phones) but as it's only exynos..well, just like my S4, the note4, the S6 and basically every other Exynos device- you'd suffer from development.
good luck!
Edit: btw I was only talking about AOSP based development. For those of you that care about samsung updates more - you should know that samsung are treating their Note series very badly when it's related to updates. I didn't own a note2, or a note 3. But I have the note4 and I can promise you I've never owned a device that got treated as badly as this one. Maybe it's only the note4, no idea. But Lollipop update took months upon months to release and it was with many bugs. So far, we didn't get 5.1 as well, even though other Galaxy devices got it awhile ago. It seems like Samsung don't really like the Note series..
for more info just so you won't think I'm bashing for nothing: http://www.sammobile.com/2015/08/05/why-do-you-hate-the-galaxy-note-4-so-much-samsung/
**If you want Samsung to bring faster updates, and be more developer friendly, instead of buying the next phone and praise it- don't buy it and maybe they'll get the msg. personally I'm gonna go a non Samsung flagship next time and see if their attitude changes by the next note**

Does this thread relates or discuss anything about the Note 5.

OP, I was skeptical when I saw your post but after reading it I appreciate your insight.
When I get my Note 5 I will miss being able to tether more than anything. I only need to root to be able to tether.

Mark7z said:
Does this thread relates or discuss anything about the Note 5.
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Try the Android Central forums for the Note 5. It isn't plagued by whining and negativity....

Sher The Love said:
Try the Android Central forums for the Note 5. It isn't plagued by whining and negativity....
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seriously though, 50+ people complaining about it not being a note4 and 5 people actually talking about their new phones.
IDK about you guys, but I have a note5 and would like to discuss the note5.

you know I am too over the whining, crying and fit throwing about the Note 5. All this *****ing isn't changing a damn thing and Samsung isn't going to change something that people are whining about anytime soon. I am all for discussing the Note 5 and leave the comparisons to the Note 4 behind us. Whew I feel better now .

This is the same crap that went on with the Nexus 6. Smartphones are moving in this direction whether we like it or not. Removable storage and batteries are becoming a thing of the past. If that's what you want hang on to your old Note. Let's move on people and concentrate on the facts when the device gets in the hand of users. Which by the way, is starting to look stellar and will probably sell well.
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Actually in not trying to be patronizing I realize that this is about the note5 and specifically about its processor. Yes he references other phones but that was to show similarities between the exynos soc and the snapdragon soc. In a much shorter post he said.
"If you like flashing roms and you like AOSP then you may be disappointed by Samsung choice of processor. It makes development a pain in the @$$. "Be Aware".
Instead of complaining about complaints, read, understand, and move on if you don't like it. The problem is that you're on xda. This IS the place to discuss possible development OR THE LACK THEREOF. Not that many people have the phone yet. And to be honest the real developers probably aren't going to waste money on the note 5 because of what the OP stated.

Qwallace70129 said:
Actually in not trying to be patronizing I realize that this is about the note5 and specifically about its processor. Yes he references other phones but that was to show similarities between the exynos soc and the snapdragon soc. In a much shorter post he said.
"If you like flashing roms and you like AOSP then you may be disappointed by Samsung choice of processor. It makes development a pain in the @$$. "Be Aware".
Instead of complaining about complaints, read, understand, and move on if you don't like it. The problem is that you're on xda. This IS the place to discuss possible development OR THE LACK THEREOF. Not that many people have the phone yet. And to be honest the real developers probably aren't going to waste money on the note 5 because of what the OP stated.
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Yes but this has been true for all Exynos SoC devices for years, it shouldnt come as a shock to anyone who has been even slightly aware of XDA and samsung for the past 3+ years. It is brought up literally every time samsung launches a device with Exynos, literally every time, which seeing as every samsung release in the past year has had Exynos, this should be common knowledge at this point.

Just because something is true does not remove disdain. Murders happen every 5 minutes. This is true. But is it something that people like? I mean I don't have a note 5. Nor do I care to bash it. But I do find it funny that people who are logged into and are users of a site that can sometimes be referred to as power user central are mad because power users are complaining about something lost that they held dear to them.

I really don't think people are mad that they are complaining as much as it is the volume of which they are complaining that is wearing on people. I get it with every iteration comes change, and with every change comes complaints about the change but there comes a time when you just have to say fine " I don't like this change and so I will have to deal with it or find something else that tickles my fancy" and go on. We all knew weeks ahead of time that the removable battery and the sdcard was going by by. The leaks confirmed it. Like it or not it happened and it also turned out that the battery lost 220mAh which really people isn't that much of a loss and considering that the other improvements like (processor, ddr4 ram, LTE radio, 4.1 bluetooth, ect...) it very may well surprise you, and from the few threads and articles that I have read so far that seems to be the case. Now is it really or is it the way they have used their device, who knows. but I have owned ALOT of phones in my time and I have yet no matter which phone I owned did a battery swap yet even though I have been known to carry a spare at times.
I guess my suggestion to the people that really are pissed off about the changes, write a letter to samsung or something to that affect because I'm 99.9% sure *****ing about it here in the threads isn't doing a darn thing towards change. I could be wrong.
And again Im not flaming the people that are complaining its just my opinion...

I personally won't buy a note device to throw asop on it. While it's nice to have the option, you lose all the functionality you bought the note device for any way. Buy a nexus if you are overly concerned about being able to run CM/AOSP ect. A nice optimized TW rom is all i look for with a Note as is the case with my note 4.

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IDK about you guys, but I have a note5 and would like to discuss the note5.
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First step to achieving that would be simply ignoring posts with titles like this one has. Lol

Is it just me or the fact that every Samsung handset is being released with an Exynos might be a good thing due to the fact that the Exynos itself might have a higher bounty to develop for?? :fingers-crossed:

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Is it just me or the fact that every Samsung handset is being released with an Exynos might be a good thing due to the fact that the Exynos itself might have a higher bounty to develop for?? :fingers-crossed:
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It's more a matter of sources and ease to develop for.

gabo1 said:
Is it just me or the fact that every Samsung handset is being released with an Exynos might be a good thing due to the fact that the Exynos itself might have a higher bounty to develop for?? :fingers-crossed:
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exynos is difficult to develop for whereas snapdragon is of a wider developer support

lightiv said:
OP, I was skeptical when I saw your post but after reading it I appreciate your insight.
When I get my Note 5 I will miss being able to tether more than anything. I only need to root to be able to tether.
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If it's like the S6, FoxFi worked great for the Verizon model.

demand and supply, as i was stating. Now that we all will be rocking Exynos, devs might be more prone to look further into it.

Here is a thread if you haven't noticed it yet that may shed some light .....
http://forums.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?t=568536&goto=postid&p=4615669#post4615669

gabo1 said:
demand and supply, as i was stating. Now that we all will be rocking Exynos, devs might be more prone to look further into it.
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Back to the days of the GS3, the problem was not that there is no devs but that there is no sources.
Even now, there is no completely finished lolipop ROM.