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I've seen a ton of Android users bashing "iSheep" over the years for their undying loyalty and "sheepism" (if there is such a word) for the way that they foam at the mouth for every new Apple product that gets released. It seems that no matter what the reviews or competing products show them, they run out and buy that new iProduct as soon as it hits the shelves.
I've started to wonder if us Nexus fans aren't exactly the same.. here we have a brand new Nexus 4 coming out, and let's be honest most of the reviews are not on the positive side. I've seen the numerous justifications about how the test phones weren't running the most "optimized" software, how the reviewer(s) were Apple fan boys, how the final product won't be anything like the test phones..
However, when I started recounting my experiences with the Nexus brand, I have to say I think we are putting our blinders on due to the excitement of having a new Nexus with decent specs. Case point:
When I decided to buy the Galaxy Nexus I was extremely excited to finally get my hands on the "Pure Android Experience". Coming from the Galaxy SII, I had some high expectations of what I top notch smart phone should be - but I also had high hopes given the Gnex specs. When the day my Gnex arrived, I couldn't get the box open fast enough! Then low and behold - the phone was DOA. Wouldn't even power on, nothing. No long press, multiple press, extended charging, nada. Quickly called Google and was sent a replacement two days later.
When the replacement arrived, it powered up just fine (thank God..) and I began getting it all set up. Almost immediately I noticed it didn't seem as responsive as my Galaxy SII. The touch screen lacked the sensitivity of the SII, but I thought to myself, I can deal with that - hey, it's a Nexus! The colors seems a bit off to me, but I thought "it's probably just the auto-brightness". It was only after setting the phone up completely that I noticed the urine-colored whites and the muted colors. I thought to myself, "well, everyone says the Galaxy SII is over saturated anyway.." although I wasn't too convinced. It just didn't seem to have the "WOW" factor the SII had. Still, I carried on - after all.. it's a Nexus!
Three weeks later and I'm starting to get pissy about the Gnex. Reception just wasn't as good, seemed to run things slightly slower than my SII, DL speeds were slower than my SII, the touch screen responsiveness (or lack thereof) had simply become annoying. That coupled with the so-so screen quality and everything started to get to me. Dissatisfaction was growing at this point..
Finally I couldn't take it anymore. Sold my Gnex on XDA for $350 shipped and guess what? The very next day it drops to $350 in the Play Store. Felt really bad for the guy who bought mine, but since I keep my phones pristine I'm sure he was OK with it. Plus he saved tax + shipping.
So I immediately went out and bought the Galaxy SIII on release day. OH. MY. GOD. I had my phone back. It was like the SII only bigger. Better. Faster. Touch screen responsiveness and screen was simply amazing. Everything flew on this phone, no matter what I threw at it. Fell in love with Android all over again.
Three weeks ago I went and bought the Nexus 7. I thought, surely the reports of the QC issues are slightly exaggerated since XDA is such a small portion of the consumer population.. they're just a little more anal, a little more OCD about their devices (at least this is what I am reading by the members aggressively defending the Nexus 7). I'm sure it will be fine!
My first Nexus 7 has such bad light bleed I immediately returned it. Bad luck, I thought. I'm sure this isn't the norm. After all, I didn't have any screen lift.. right? My 2nd Nexus 7 - Ahh, perfection. No light bleed, no screen lift, everything looks great. Well, except for the slightly washed out colors and over saturated whites. But hey, it's LCD so what do I expect right? Besides... it's a Nexus!
Sure enough, here I am three weeks later, and the same light bleed in the lower left corner has manifested, along with a slight screen lift on the upper left hand side. I haven't removed the back to check for missing screws yet, but I am sure I will find it is the same as others have reported.. I won't be returning this one as I have decided to live with it even though it aggravates me every time I see it.
So here I am at the impasse.. I have the Galaxy SIII, which is what I consider the best phone on the market (besides perhaps the Note 2) running CM10 Jellybean 4.1.2 flawlessly.. and yet the Nexus name is calling to me again.
WHY IN THE WORLD should I expect things to be different this time? Why would I choose to ignore the reviews and believe other Nexus fan boys who say it's the "test phones" and software that is "not optimized", and that it's not the "final product"?
There's only ONE reason I can think of. Because I am a God damn Google fanatic that keeps ignoring reality in the hopes that everyone is wrong and this will be the best Android phone ever. But we all know that it won't... don't we?
I'm giving Google one last chance to impress the hell outta me. After this, if things turn out like they have in the past, I'm sorry to say it but... I will be a Samsung fan from now on. Yes, they did make the Gnex.. and it was inferior.. but honestly it's probably because they were putting everything into their Galaxy S line to steal the show, which IMO they have done quite successfully.
Don't let me down Google. Make me a Nexus believer again.
Anyone agree with me?
TL;DR, lol.
Nexus 4 will be made by Samsung. Should've called it the SGS4.
I disagree.
SGS2 owner.
locsplitter said:
Nexus 4 will be made by Samsung. Should've called it the SGS4.
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Uh... OK.
The Nexus 4 is made by LG. Not Samsung.
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TL;DR, lol.
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This.
Some things can't be properly conveyed in a short paragraph.
Not that I expected any actual responses in a Nexus forum.
I'm not saying that I'm not all in on the Nexus 4.. just saying I don't hold high hopes that it will be everything Google claims..
I read it and here's my take on the Nexus 4.
I may not be as technical as most people on XDA, but I try to read up as much as I can. I think what makes MOST (not all) Android users different from MOST (not all) iPhone users is that we actually take the time to research a product before be buy it. They buy their products because it says "Apple" on the box. We have countless different devices to choose from. We HAVE to do the research before we buy. This isn't just about buying a Nexus, this is about buying a new Android phone and having to choose between what's currently on the market.
For me, I'm over my current phone (T-Mobile G2x) and want to get a new one, but I'm still on contract. I don't make enough money to drop $600+ on a new phone. Hell, even if I did make enough money, I wouldn't be comfortable dropping that much money on a phone. Buying a phone from Google means I can buy a nice phone at an affordable price without forcing me to extend a contract that I never wanted to be on in the first place (I originally only switched from Virgin Mobile to T-Mobile because I wanted a better phone at a decent price and signing a contract used to be the only way to do that). My original plan was actually to buy the Galaxy Nexus to hold me over until my upgrade was available and then, from there, decide if I wanted to stick with Android or try out Windows Phone 8.
Then the Nexus 4 was announced and for the same exact price as the Galaxy Nexus. It's a better phone, at a better price.
Like I said, I may not be as technical as the rest of you, but what I see is a phone that is equivalent to each heavy hitter currently on the market (Galaxy SIII, One X, iPhone 5, the various upcoming offerings from Windows Phone 8). The only difference is that this phone is half the price of all of those. That's what I see when I look at the Nexus 4. I see an affordable upgrade for my current phone that is cheaper to every other comparable phone on the market and that's why I'm going to buy it (after consumer reviews of course, but it's almost certain that I will be ordering this phone before the month is over).
Now, the thing I do not understand is why people with the above mentioned phones would seriously consider this. Yes, it's a Nexus. Yes, it will get updates faster. But why should that all matter? All of us here on XDA are probably running rooted phones and we've all probably flashed multiple ROMs. My G2x is currently running Jellybean 4.1. It may not be 4.2, but I'm sure a clever dev will make it happen at some point. If not my phone, all of the above mentioned phones (minus the iPhone and Windows Phone 8 obviously) will get it at some point. Our vanilla Android experience isn't going to be vanilla for too long out of the box.
Maybe it's because I'm not made of money, but I wouldn't be able to justify dropping another $350 if I already had a $600+ phone. I don't buy into brands (part of the reason why I refuse to use Apple products). I'm happy to be a future owner of a Nexus phone, but I'm not buying it because it's Nexus (although that is nice). I'm buying it because it's cheap and, to my untrained eyes, more or less equal to the best phones on the market.
To each their own. To me, Nexus 4. All there is to it
I agree. I am buying the nexus 4 strictly for these reasons:
1) I need a new phone, currently using Samsung captivate on aokp jb milestone 1.
2) don't want to spend an arm and a leg for a new phone
3) want a phone that will be supported with software updates immediately
4) Want a phone that has great specs so that it can support future software updates down the road
I am not expecting this phone to be a savior. As the old saying goes, if it seems too good to be true it usually is. To buy the most powerful "best" phone and only pay 359$ for it brand new? That seems too good to be true IMO. I just need a huge upgrade from my captivate and the nexus is more than that.
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The Nexus 4 is made by LG. Not Samsung.
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Not according to this retailer. http://www.popularelect.com/LG-Nexus-4-Unlocked-Smartphone-p/Nexus4.htm?gclid=CKm_ksGpu7MCFcaDQgodClkAow
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I can see your point though I don't agree with some of your reasoning. At times there are levels of excitement that are disproportionate to reality, but I don't think this is representative of the majority of users.
As for the "negative reviews" take a look at the screenshots that show kernel and baseband versions - on at least three of the sites they are different versions. It is highly likely that software improvements will address these issues. The fact that many of the reviews did not make note that the software on their review device is a pre-release version is either disingenuous or ignorant. Making note of this as a consumer does not denote fanboyism.
All products will have build quality issues, this is just how things are. I returned my first Galaxy S2 because of problems with the screen and my first Nexus 7 as well. I know people who have had problems with iPhones and other Android devices which required RMA. Does that mean that an LG product will now have flaws because it has Google branding on it? Hardly. There probably will be issues and we'll hear all the whining and moaning, we wait and see.
tl;dr - it's just a phone, people need to chill the **** out. Only time will tell if it's a great phone or not.
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I can see your point though I don't agree with some of your reasoning. At times there are levels of excitement that are disproportionate to reality, but I don't think this is representative of the majority of users.
As for the "negative reviews" take a look at the screenshots that show kernel and baseband versions - on at least three of the sites they are different versions. It is highly likely that software improvements will address these issues. The fact that many of the reviews did not make note that the software on their review device is a pre-release version is either disingenuous or ignorant. Making note of this as a consumer does not denote fanboyism.
All products will have build quality issues, this is just how things are. I returned my first Galaxy S2 because of problems with the screen and my first Nexus 7 as well. I know people who have had problems with iPhones and other Android devices which required RMA. Does that mean that an LG product will now have flaws because it has Google branding on it? Hardly. There probably will be issues and we'll hear all the whining and moaning, we wait and see.
tl;dr - it's just a phone, people need to chill the **** out. Only time will tell if it's a great phone or not.
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Why, when other phones are reviewed, are they not on some sort of "pre-release" software?
I don't remember reading reviews of other high end Android phones and seeing people say they were "misleading" or that the "software wasn't optimized"
I mean c'mon, all of the sudden reviews are completely bogus and software isn't up to par?
I don't care of they were running GB, the phone either flies or it doesn't.
OP, I'm really glad you made this thread. I've never had a Nexus and I also am over my current device (myTouch 4G) and chomping at the bit to get a new one. I had no idea there were that many problems with either the gnex or the N7. This worries me. I have some thinking to do...
Also, have a thanks.
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Why, when other phones are reviewed, are they not on some sort of "pre-release" software?
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If the software is not released or finished, then they are by definition running 'pre-release' software.
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I don't remember reading reviews of other high end Android phones and seeing people say they were "misleading" or that the "software wasn't optimized"
I mean c'mon, all of the sudden reviews are completely bogus and software isn't up to par?
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I never said the reviews were completely bogus, in fact I mentioned how it was obvious that there was different software on at least three review devices and that It is highly likely that software improvements will address the issues. Note - I am acknowledging that there are issues
Again, it's just a phone. If you are concerned it wont meet your expectations wait until it's been out for a while to see what happens; some people will love it, others will call it a flop.
Other top phones (SIII, etc.) aren't reviewed with pre-release software because they use an established version of Android, aka SIII shipping with ICS, whereas the Nexus 4 is shipping with a brand new version of Android, 4.2, which has not been as widely tested and established, and which Google is probably still working on. If 4.2 were completely ready today, the Nexus 4 would probably be released today, rather than the 13th.
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To me it is a matter of price. I'm stuck with Xperia mini, and I want to upgrade. At the same time the Nexus 4 is released, and it is insanely cheap, at least from foreign countries like Germany (which use the same power plug as Sweden). The price is what makes this phone so very interesting, if it weren't for that there would have been a lot of other phones in question. In Sweden the Nexus 4 isn't something out of the ordinary, when you can buy a Galaxy S3 for about the same price. But if I import this phone from Germany, I save about 150 euros, that is why I'm very interested.
The fact that it is a Nexus is positive, but not the main factor. I've read some bad reviews, but for this price, it isn't a dealbreaker. The same criticism at swedish prices would be a dealbreaker however.
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rodstrom
I need a new phone, I have always preferred vanilla android, and I've had two nexus phones before my current non-nexus phone.
I am ready to be back on a nexus phone, between the quick updates, and being free from a contract, the nexus 4 is extremely enticing, AND at an amazing pricepoint.
I agree with the OP on many counts. Even though I myself have had no problems with my GNex and felt that it was THE most beautiful phone I have owned (maybe second to the LG Prada), the whites were jaundiced and sickly looking. And even though kernels like Trinity fixed it to a certain extent, Google needs to realize one thing - the phone needs to be working without problems out of the box. I think what is happening is an over dependency on devs and a complacency thinking that people will overlook glitches in nexus devices because, hey! after all this is android. The devs can fix everything, right?!
A trend I am seeing with the N4 is that no matter what the issue is, many people go, 'well its just 350, so its ok'! No its not! Its not like we asked Google to make an inexpensive device, so they were compelled and thus had to resort to faulty and low quality hardware to cut costs. The price was their decision. I as a consumer want my phone problem free - $350 or $650
That said, I hope as much as the next guy that the problems so far are indeed related to pre-release firmwares and kernels. But then, it was absolutely ridiculous and insane of Google to send those devices for review. Might as well have no reviews than have tons of negative ones. Sure, people here on XDA are 'techy' enough to know that the test firmware is not final and most of the issues might be wrinkled out by release date. But a common man sees the review and goes 'oh crap! i don't want a headache, lemme just get something that everyone says works i.e. iPhone'.
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Hi there
We all must be hearing a lot of rumors about the end of Nexus Line by Google and Launch of Silver in upcoming year, by 2015 according to sources!
Well, according to my knowledge, the Nexus was introduced to increase the number of phones/tablets running Android in fast growing market which was dominated by Ipad/Iphone. As Google earns its 97% of profit due to advertisements, it was inevitable that if Google can increase the number of devices used, it would certainly mean more profit due to coaxing more users to its services and advertisement. This meant that although Google made some profit on Nexus devices but its main aim was to increase the android devices using Google Services like Youtube, Gmail, Google+.
Also, it was a way to provide "pure android experience" to the users free from all freezing which was mostly due to customization of android by different manufacturers.
Devices in the Nexus line do not have manufacturer or wireless carrier modifications to Android (such as custom graphical user interfaces), and have an unlockable bootloader to allow further development and end-user modification.Nexus devices are the first Android devices to receive updates to the operating system and recommended by the Android Open Source Project for Android software development.
PROJECT SILVER
Silver line basically is a way to control Samsung influence by Google. The concept is that if a device fulfills certain hardware and software criterias, they would be labelled as SILVER. The Google would ensure that these devices are first to be updated as Google would itself provide the expertise required in development of the android software. Not just that, Google would also give some subsidies which would ensure that if a developer wants a device to be silver, it would be earning more profit than a non silver device. The silver devices would also be kept in special cases in shops to attract more customers. It would also mean that any manufacturer around the world can take part in Silver project and the domination of Samsung, Sony, LG, HTC, Motorola and other big manufacturers would be directly challenged by Google.
This means we would be seeing phones which would be top-notch from small manufactures like MI (XIAOMI), OPPO.
In this regard, Google would also ensure that its services are kept while custom services provided by the manufacturer are kept to minimum!
Now the Google already has a big share in the market by Android's influence and thus it can still earn its profits by advertisement which is about 97%. Thus it does not need to put more nexus devices out there as it is directly challenged by Samsung. Now the competition has begun within Android itself which was with other OS before. The introduction of TIZEN by Samsung is a direct challenge to Android. Tizen's biggest strength in my opinion is that if you programme an app in tizen, you can use the same app in IOS , android and other platforms by just changing very little code!
The only thing I am not sure about is the price of Silver Devices. I am sure there would a tough competition but would that mean we would get the devices as cheap as Nexus line. We can not be sure as it could happen. Suppose the latest Oppo phone is labelled as silver and is selling for 300$, other manufacturers would be forced to keep their price down as nothing separates two Silver devices but we can not be sure as i mentioned before!
WHY I PREFER A NEXUS
I prefer Nexus devices over all others, not due to their development friendly nature but also they provide quick updates, top notch specifications at a very reasonable price.
Plus, Nexus devices are certain to get all CUSTOM ROMS and development is very quick compared to many other devices!
They also keep manufacturers to keep their price in check and they give you a pure android experience which I am not sure Project Silver can promise.
I just hope the Nexus line is always kept by Google. If they can keep on releasing one phone (4.7 inch) and two tablets ( 8 and 10) every year at least with their Silver Project and see if more consumers prefer Silver or Nexus and leave the choice to the consumers!
What do you prefer and give your reasons why you think it would be a good thing or a bad thing if Google gives up Nexus and starts Silver Project?
Update: Nexus is going to stay!! Hip Hip Hooray!
http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-...ay-but-Android-Silver-is-in-the-works_id57593
If affordability isn't hit I find no problem with silver program. But I don't think it wouldn't.
At least we will have motorola.
I don't know what others think but Nexus, Samsung and Apple is ending for me, Mipad (Xiaomi) is winning my heart.
This is good since the Nexus line isn't priced fairly world wide. A 16GB Nexus 5 cost like 550 USD in my country (Indonesia) and there's no 32GB version avaliable.
However, the Silver Line shouldn't just apply to high end phones, it should apply to all Android device if this project is to be fair.
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maidangisme said:
I don't know what others think but Nexus, Samsung and Apple is ending for me, Mipad (Xiaomi) is winning my heart.
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All MI products is taking my breath away with its awesome UI, price and hardware !
For now I'm not sure. Not all details about the silver platform are known. I wouldn't have a problem with GPE like devices sold as the Silver line. The downfall will come with the, probably, increased prices of the Silver devices. At least that would be a huge let down for me.
Hopefully companies as Xiaomi, OnePlus, Oppo and Motorola can fill the gap for high performance devices with a attractive price tag.
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Hopefully companies as Xiaomi, OnePlus, Oppo and Motorola can fill the gap for high performance devices with a attractive price tag.
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Xiaomi already did : Phone -MI2 and MI3, up coming Mipad.
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AnyRom said:
Xiaomi already did : Phone -MI2 and MI3, up coming Mipad.
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True, but if the devices are not in stock... hopefully they can find a way to keep up with the demand.
The Mi3 64GB is only recently in stock if I'm correct, only the 16GB version was sold it small batches.
My problem with this silver program is that price will surely not be nexus levels and I doubt these silver edition phones will have the freedom that nexuses have. Just like Dev editions.... most of which still have restrictions you don't see on a nexus. Example, flashing any bootloader you want, no matter what version.
So I'm not very excited about this potential new direction.
Also, it will split up the current nexus community over multiple devices.
I see silver as mostly good and I am hoping this could put pressure on OEMS to update their phones in a truly timely manner. If this happens I would jump right back on the note bandwagon. I mostly curse touchwiz but they did integrate TW very nicely with the note series...I miss my spen
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I doubt the line will change much, likely just a branding change to help morons who think the Droid phone is the benchmark android phone.
Some kind of new standards are needed because of new device types. Nexus was fine for Android, but now there are Chromecast, Thermostats, and who knows what is next. I think something new like Silver does not necessarily mean dropping Nexus style devices.
So far I'm pretty pleased with Google sponsored devices, both Nexus and Play Edition. I am interested in a tablet larger than Nexus 7 (2013) and I think a new Nexus-or-Play Edition phone on Verizon is needed too.
But, wait and see.:good:
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Some kind of new standards are needed because of new device types. Nexus was fine for Android, but now there are Chromecast, Thermostats, and who knows what is next. I think something new like Silver does not necessarily mean dropping Nexus style devices.
So far I'm pretty pleased with Google sponsored devices, both Nexus and Play Edition. I am interested in a tablet larger than Nexus 7 (2013) and I think a new Nexus-or-Play Edition phone on Verizon is needed too.
But, wait and see.:good:
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Well for most of us in Europe/ US , we usually take up contracts ! Like I can get an S5 with 2 year contract with free phone/calls/texts/Data for about £45 a month! Usually this is not a case for many others around the world, they have to pay in FULL which makes Nexus price more attractive than Play Editions!
Moreover, the price difference between Nexus and Play Edition is about 150-250 dollars which is a lot . . .
I want new a 10" tablet. Whether it's the silver program or final nexus tablet before silver program
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I want new a 10" tablet. Whether it's the silver program or final nexus tablet before silver program
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We might get one. It is rumoured in upcoming Google I/O 2014
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/You-...-showing-the-Nexus-10-not-the-Nexus-8_id56512
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phonearena edited the post and dismissed a new nexus 10.
Hnk1 said:
We might get one. It is rumoured in upcoming Google I/O 2014
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They were talking about the old nexus 10 in the photo, not a new one.
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They were talking about the old nexus 10 in the photo, not a new one.
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Cheers for the correction, there were so many rumours involving a Google nexus 8 and 10 that I'm still confused
I'm still hoping for a nexus 8. My niece would love my n7 2013 and a n8 would be the perfect excuse for me to pass it to her and get one.
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I doubt the line will change much, likely just a branding change to help morons who think the Droid phone is the benchmark android phone.
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same :/
Maybe not a very exciting answer, but where tech is concerned (and all the rumours that precede any new product) I am a "I'll wait and see" kind of guy. Also, I see no real reason to rush out and buy the latest and greatest all the time what I have is serving its purpose
As some of you guys know, OnePlus is having their pre-order event in les than a week. Granted, it's only going to last AN HOUR (LOL!) and it's pre-orders on a phone that's been out for several months. Anyways, as odd as this sounds, I feel like the OnePlus One is the Nexus 6's biggest competitor. Why? There are a few reasons that I have in mind:
- OPO has tried to compete with the Nexus 5 for the "cheap but amazing specs" department.
- OPO still offers great specs, that aren't too outdated, for a mind boggling price.
Some of the cons?
- OnePlus is still doing invites and their "pre-orders" only last for an hour on a specific day. Yeah..
- OnePlus still has horrible customer service and their phone (hardware and software) is riddled with problems and bugs.
- Did I mention you still can't buy the phone directly from OnePlus?
No need to go over the pros of the Nexus 6. Everyone here knows them at this point.
Which one are you guys leaning more towards? Why?
You're gonna get skewed results by posting in an N6 forum.
I bought a OPO immediately after hearing of the N6 price. I don't mind 6" screen and the band support is fantastic -- all in all it's a better phone, but is it worth $700 for 64GiB, twice the price of an OPO 64GiB?
For me, that's a no. I also really enjoy the look and feel of the OPO, and peeking at CM's code for it, they develop very, very actively - the phone so far has gotten more updates than the GN, N4, or N5 have, including new features like Partial Screen Update.
That said the OPO will definitely have more bugs than the N6, but I'm confident they will be resolved and I can deal with those that crop up.
If not, I'll sell it, hopefully at profit (an RMA device perhaps), and save for an N6.
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Sorry, is this a repost?
Device comparison threads are not allowed.
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Device comparison threads are not allowed.
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There are several threads that are similar in this section, such as the Nexus 6 vs Galaxy Note 4 thread. I don't see the problem.
Also, I don't see where it states that in the forum rules?
Rules are here:
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=3707
We'll see what ghost says don't quote me.
It's possible to say that the OPO is the spiritual successor to the N5. High-end, but not the highest-end specs, at a very mainstream price, unlocked. With the new change of the direction of the Nexus program, I'm sure the OPO will gain more popularity than it would otherwise, especially for those were expecting an N6 in the vein of an N5. When the OPO was announced, I was greatly optimistic, being a serial phone jumper, and affordable unlocked devices were always welcomed.
Having said that, the OPO has been out for a while so their foibles are widely evident. Their marketing approach is often questionable, and it does appear that the OPO does suffer from a higher rate of faults than flagships do. Whether this is to be expected from the low price is another discussion altogether. Source: I had an OPO, which I used extensively for a month then returned for a refund for the infamous yellow tinge. During that time, apart from the yellowing, I found the device to be quite good, exceeding my expectations in just about every way. If it didn't have a OnePlus badge on the back, but a major OEM, I wouldn't have been surprised.
Would I still recommend it? Absolutely, especially for those who like to tweak, namely the same people who traditionally bought Nexuses. The battery life was incredible and a breath of fresh air from my N5. There were an abundance of ROMs and kernels available, and no issues with hardware compatibility. The 3rd-party community is bustling. You can see where my 'spiritual successor to the N5' comment comes from.
I'd go as far to say as saying that for most people, the OPO will do perfectly fine. They even share the same camera sensor. For many, the performance difference will be negligible, as will the pixel density. But the OPO is not readily accessible. The heavy carrier subsidies, the brand name, the larger scale production, the heavy marketing push are all reasons why the N6 will steamroll the OPO.
Which is a bit sad, because the OPO, even though it's a pricing anomaly in the market, an experiment on Oppo's part, may cease to exist at that price with the OnePlus Two. It does alot of things exceptionally well and for many, permanently changed expectations.
As for the N6, we'll have to wait and see what the reviews and early adopters say. I'm tentative because on paper it seems exceptional, but closer reading into the finer details, the company structure/takeover/manufacturing, the very early usage reports, point towards some glaring shortcomings being revealed.
No reason to get an opo unless you can't afford a Nexus 6. It's objectively inferior to the Nexus 6 in terms of specs and the rest is subjective your opinion vs mine.
I was never interested in the one+one. After years of crappy OEM Android phones, it Nexus or nothing for me from the N5 on.
You can't compare them. One is not out in the wild yet, both have a very awesome set of specs on paper, and when you see those specs, and the one plus's price, it would seem to be a no brainer.... Until you get the one plus and start using it. Its not daily driver ready.
Can't say whether the nexus 6 will be yet either, but I certainly have some high hopes for it
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You can't compare them. One is not out in the wild yet, both have a very awesome set of specs on paper, and when you see those specs, and the one plus's price, it would seem to be a no brainer.... Until you get the one plus and start using it. Its not daily driver ready.
Can't say whether the nexus 6 will be yet either, but I certainly have some high hopes for it
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Why wouldn't the Nexus 6 be daily driver ready? I have never purchased a phone, especially a Nexus, that has stock software that wasn't daily driver ready. Honestly, I find it sad that you can say that about the One+.
I own one and luckily it's been perfect without the yellow banding screen or the touchscreen bug. It stayed on for 21 straight days once without a single issue but I got antzy and rebooted it out of habit.
But in the looks departments, it definitely does not scream premium like the M8, or Z series. And I wish they would have sold the 64gb in white!
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I had the OPO and sold it after 3 days. The specs are nice and the battery life was phenomenal but that's about all it had going for it. The build quality was questionable at best, call quality was among the worst I've experienced in a long time, the screen is a crapshoot (good luck getting one without the yellow band), the software is incredibly buggy, it gets almost too hot to touch when gaming, their customer service is the absolute worst in the industry, and it just doesn't feel like the "flagship killer" they tout it to be. That last one is hard to explain because of how subjective it is, but when you hold it in your hand it doesn't feel like a flagship device, it feels like a cheap-o smartphone that is pretending to be high end. There's a lot more that goes into a smartphone than the SOC and RAM, and I imagine they cut as many corners as they could to get that price point. And I keep saying it and I'll say it again- the OPO is not worth a penny more than what they are charging for it. The N6 is going to be AMAZING, I mean nexus + motorola so there is no chance of it not being great, and it'll be worth every penny, regardless of all the babies whining about it being overpriced. There is no question in my mind- if you can afford it, the N6 is the clear winner here.
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If you can afford it, Nexus 6.
I wouldn't touch a OnePlus One for many reasons.
I have a OnePlus One and am extremely happy with it. The invite system was stupid but the phone is solid. I also have a Moto X 2013; great phone! I'll be getting a Nexus 6 as well. I think for the price the OPO is still the best phone to have IF you don't have to deal with any customer support and you want a off-contract phone.
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No reason to get an opo unless you can't afford a Nexus 6. It's objectively inferior to the Nexus 6 in terms of specs and the rest is subjective your opinion vs mine.
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And for all the people who can afford a Nexus 6 but feel it's not $350 better than a same-storage OPO?
There are just a lot of other things I'd rather spend $350 on, even if just more fun gadgets.
Considering I've had at least one hardware issue on each of my past nexus phones, I'd go with Nexus for the better customer support. Easy exchange. Too many horror stories on the oneplus one forums about claiming warranty issues.
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And for all the people who can afford a Nexus 6 but feel it's not $350 better than a same-storage OPO?
There are just a lot of other things I'd rather spend $350 on, even if just more fun gadgets.
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Whatever makes you happy.
I'm seriously considering the 6P but it seems like all the features touted on the device are generally derived from Marshmallow. Sure it stacks rather well against other flagships right now but all the devices its going up against are running lollipop. When they get the Marshmallow features, will the 6P still match up or will they blow it out of the water?
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I'm seriously considering the 6P but it seems like all the features touted on the device are generally derived from Marshmallow. Sure it stacks rather well against other flagships right now but all the devices its going up against are running lollipop. When they get the Marshmallow features, will the 6P still match up or will they blow it out of the water?
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Depends. Remember that most phones won't be updated. The ones that will be uodated won't be for at least six months depending on the manufacturer. Some Android phones should be getting M in the next few weeks, but those are special cases and usually only for one sub-model at first. Truly the answer you seek has too many variables to consider.
Remember that Nexus devices are also meant as a pure android experience. Other manufacturers mod android so much it's not even the same experience.
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Depends. Remember that most phones won't be updated. The ones that will be uodated won't be for at least six months depending on the manufacturer. Some Android phones should be getting M in the next few weeks, but those are special cases and usually only for one sub-model at first. Truly the answer you seek has too many variables to consider.
Remember that Nexus devices are also meant as a pure android experience. Other manufacturers mod android so much it's not even the same experience.
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I don't have any issues with android skins (touchwiz at least), but I do have some kind of complex with 'futureproofing' and the like, since whatever phone I'm getting will be my phone for a while.
Ultimately, the decision still hasn't been made for me because I know the dev community for whatever product I might get outside the 6P on ATT will be dead since they love locking their bootloaders
Not exactly a feature but I consider having a different phone from most people a bonus. The Nexus will be a conversational piece around anyone who's remotely curious of tech.
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I don't have any issues with android skins (touchwiz at least), but I do have some kind of complex with 'futureproofing' and the like, since whatever phone I'm getting will be my phone for a while.
Ultimately, the decision still hasn't been made for me because I know the dev community for whatever product I might get outside the 6P on ATT will be dead since they love locking their bootloaders
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The one thing I've learned is that you can't future proof a phone. Manufacturers sole purpose is to make sure the phones are not future proof so they can sell you the update next year.
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It's a nexus. It will have Google support for 2 years and dev support past that. I'm pretty sure someone got kit kat running on the nexus 1. Pure android with always run smoothly even on an older nexus. So when the galaxy s7 rolls out next year your 6p might not get the best bench score it will still give better real world performance
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Namely price woes?
I like it has front facing
Cheap and has same specs
Will it be getting nougat?
ZTE is already working on Nougat 7.0 on the device: http://forum.xda-developers.com/axon-7/development/a2017-zte-nougat-rom-preview-t3478414
ZTE has stated that the Axon 7 will be getting Google Daydream support, which requires Nougat 7.1. One of the ZTE USA Employees on the ZTE Community forum said that they're working with Google on it.
I think people should start realizing that the Google's philosophy with Pixel is completely different from Nexus. Pixel will eventually be treated as a mainstream flagship, while still maintaining the dev friendliness and first-to-new Android updates but at a premium. Everyone makes hardware, and Chinese phone companies now make great hardware. So you really need to compare the phones based on what experiences you will get from a software perspective. Even with Nougat on the Axon, it will have its share of issues that come with a Chinese phone, setting aside the delays. If that's not acceptable then stick with Pixel. On every other count i don't see how Axon 7 (or OP3 if you don't count the FullHD screen which actually is pretty darn good) is not an automatic pick for its price.
Better yet is it good enough to sell my 64gb nexus 6 to get?
I think buying the Pixel will give you Pixel woes. Doodle is totally off the rails, might as well buy an iPhone.
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Better yet is it good enough to sell my 64gb nexus 6 to get?
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That's difficult to say. You either buy the phone for the features it brings and matches your requirement or buy it cause your current device cant do it well enough anymore. Newer hardware and software is always more capable but will it completely replace your device in terms of both a hardware and software experience will depend completely on you.
I'm reiterating but bottom line is that the Axon 7 is an extremely capable device and some more. But its not perfect. So match your requirements to what it can give you in $400 and you will be able to judge if its good enough or not. All the best!
On a side note, a pure Nexus software experience is nearly irreplaceable by other phones. But it does not mean that the experience other Android flavors bring (HTC Sense for eg.) cannot be good enough for your particular taste.