As some of you guys know, OnePlus is having their pre-order event in les than a week. Granted, it's only going to last AN HOUR (LOL!) and it's pre-orders on a phone that's been out for several months. Anyways, as odd as this sounds, I feel like the OnePlus One is the Nexus 6's biggest competitor. Why? There are a few reasons that I have in mind:
- OPO has tried to compete with the Nexus 5 for the "cheap but amazing specs" department.
- OPO still offers great specs, that aren't too outdated, for a mind boggling price.
Some of the cons?
- OnePlus is still doing invites and their "pre-orders" only last for an hour on a specific day. Yeah..
- OnePlus still has horrible customer service and their phone (hardware and software) is riddled with problems and bugs.
- Did I mention you still can't buy the phone directly from OnePlus?
No need to go over the pros of the Nexus 6. Everyone here knows them at this point.
Which one are you guys leaning more towards? Why?
You're gonna get skewed results by posting in an N6 forum.
I bought a OPO immediately after hearing of the N6 price. I don't mind 6" screen and the band support is fantastic -- all in all it's a better phone, but is it worth $700 for 64GiB, twice the price of an OPO 64GiB?
For me, that's a no. I also really enjoy the look and feel of the OPO, and peeking at CM's code for it, they develop very, very actively - the phone so far has gotten more updates than the GN, N4, or N5 have, including new features like Partial Screen Update.
That said the OPO will definitely have more bugs than the N6, but I'm confident they will be resolved and I can deal with those that crop up.
If not, I'll sell it, hopefully at profit (an RMA device perhaps), and save for an N6.
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There are several threads that are similar in this section, such as the Nexus 6 vs Galaxy Note 4 thread. I don't see the problem.
Also, I don't see where it states that in the forum rules?
Rules are here:
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We'll see what ghost says don't quote me.
It's possible to say that the OPO is the spiritual successor to the N5. High-end, but not the highest-end specs, at a very mainstream price, unlocked. With the new change of the direction of the Nexus program, I'm sure the OPO will gain more popularity than it would otherwise, especially for those were expecting an N6 in the vein of an N5. When the OPO was announced, I was greatly optimistic, being a serial phone jumper, and affordable unlocked devices were always welcomed.
Having said that, the OPO has been out for a while so their foibles are widely evident. Their marketing approach is often questionable, and it does appear that the OPO does suffer from a higher rate of faults than flagships do. Whether this is to be expected from the low price is another discussion altogether. Source: I had an OPO, which I used extensively for a month then returned for a refund for the infamous yellow tinge. During that time, apart from the yellowing, I found the device to be quite good, exceeding my expectations in just about every way. If it didn't have a OnePlus badge on the back, but a major OEM, I wouldn't have been surprised.
Would I still recommend it? Absolutely, especially for those who like to tweak, namely the same people who traditionally bought Nexuses. The battery life was incredible and a breath of fresh air from my N5. There were an abundance of ROMs and kernels available, and no issues with hardware compatibility. The 3rd-party community is bustling. You can see where my 'spiritual successor to the N5' comment comes from.
I'd go as far to say as saying that for most people, the OPO will do perfectly fine. They even share the same camera sensor. For many, the performance difference will be negligible, as will the pixel density. But the OPO is not readily accessible. The heavy carrier subsidies, the brand name, the larger scale production, the heavy marketing push are all reasons why the N6 will steamroll the OPO.
Which is a bit sad, because the OPO, even though it's a pricing anomaly in the market, an experiment on Oppo's part, may cease to exist at that price with the OnePlus Two. It does alot of things exceptionally well and for many, permanently changed expectations.
As for the N6, we'll have to wait and see what the reviews and early adopters say. I'm tentative because on paper it seems exceptional, but closer reading into the finer details, the company structure/takeover/manufacturing, the very early usage reports, point towards some glaring shortcomings being revealed.
No reason to get an opo unless you can't afford a Nexus 6. It's objectively inferior to the Nexus 6 in terms of specs and the rest is subjective your opinion vs mine.
I was never interested in the one+one. After years of crappy OEM Android phones, it Nexus or nothing for me from the N5 on.
You can't compare them. One is not out in the wild yet, both have a very awesome set of specs on paper, and when you see those specs, and the one plus's price, it would seem to be a no brainer.... Until you get the one plus and start using it. Its not daily driver ready.
Can't say whether the nexus 6 will be yet either, but I certainly have some high hopes for it
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You can't compare them. One is not out in the wild yet, both have a very awesome set of specs on paper, and when you see those specs, and the one plus's price, it would seem to be a no brainer.... Until you get the one plus and start using it. Its not daily driver ready.
Can't say whether the nexus 6 will be yet either, but I certainly have some high hopes for it
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Why wouldn't the Nexus 6 be daily driver ready? I have never purchased a phone, especially a Nexus, that has stock software that wasn't daily driver ready. Honestly, I find it sad that you can say that about the One+.
I own one and luckily it's been perfect without the yellow banding screen or the touchscreen bug. It stayed on for 21 straight days once without a single issue but I got antzy and rebooted it out of habit.
But in the looks departments, it definitely does not scream premium like the M8, or Z series. And I wish they would have sold the 64gb in white!
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I had the OPO and sold it after 3 days. The specs are nice and the battery life was phenomenal but that's about all it had going for it. The build quality was questionable at best, call quality was among the worst I've experienced in a long time, the screen is a crapshoot (good luck getting one without the yellow band), the software is incredibly buggy, it gets almost too hot to touch when gaming, their customer service is the absolute worst in the industry, and it just doesn't feel like the "flagship killer" they tout it to be. That last one is hard to explain because of how subjective it is, but when you hold it in your hand it doesn't feel like a flagship device, it feels like a cheap-o smartphone that is pretending to be high end. There's a lot more that goes into a smartphone than the SOC and RAM, and I imagine they cut as many corners as they could to get that price point. And I keep saying it and I'll say it again- the OPO is not worth a penny more than what they are charging for it. The N6 is going to be AMAZING, I mean nexus + motorola so there is no chance of it not being great, and it'll be worth every penny, regardless of all the babies whining about it being overpriced. There is no question in my mind- if you can afford it, the N6 is the clear winner here.
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If you can afford it, Nexus 6.
I wouldn't touch a OnePlus One for many reasons.
I have a OnePlus One and am extremely happy with it. The invite system was stupid but the phone is solid. I also have a Moto X 2013; great phone! I'll be getting a Nexus 6 as well. I think for the price the OPO is still the best phone to have IF you don't have to deal with any customer support and you want a off-contract phone.
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No reason to get an opo unless you can't afford a Nexus 6. It's objectively inferior to the Nexus 6 in terms of specs and the rest is subjective your opinion vs mine.
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And for all the people who can afford a Nexus 6 but feel it's not $350 better than a same-storage OPO?
There are just a lot of other things I'd rather spend $350 on, even if just more fun gadgets.
Considering I've had at least one hardware issue on each of my past nexus phones, I'd go with Nexus for the better customer support. Easy exchange. Too many horror stories on the oneplus one forums about claiming warranty issues.
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And for all the people who can afford a Nexus 6 but feel it's not $350 better than a same-storage OPO?
There are just a lot of other things I'd rather spend $350 on, even if just more fun gadgets.
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Whatever makes you happy.
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I've seen a ton of Android users bashing "iSheep" over the years for their undying loyalty and "sheepism" (if there is such a word) for the way that they foam at the mouth for every new Apple product that gets released. It seems that no matter what the reviews or competing products show them, they run out and buy that new iProduct as soon as it hits the shelves.
I've started to wonder if us Nexus fans aren't exactly the same.. here we have a brand new Nexus 4 coming out, and let's be honest most of the reviews are not on the positive side. I've seen the numerous justifications about how the test phones weren't running the most "optimized" software, how the reviewer(s) were Apple fan boys, how the final product won't be anything like the test phones..
However, when I started recounting my experiences with the Nexus brand, I have to say I think we are putting our blinders on due to the excitement of having a new Nexus with decent specs. Case point:
When I decided to buy the Galaxy Nexus I was extremely excited to finally get my hands on the "Pure Android Experience". Coming from the Galaxy SII, I had some high expectations of what I top notch smart phone should be - but I also had high hopes given the Gnex specs. When the day my Gnex arrived, I couldn't get the box open fast enough! Then low and behold - the phone was DOA. Wouldn't even power on, nothing. No long press, multiple press, extended charging, nada. Quickly called Google and was sent a replacement two days later.
When the replacement arrived, it powered up just fine (thank God..) and I began getting it all set up. Almost immediately I noticed it didn't seem as responsive as my Galaxy SII. The touch screen lacked the sensitivity of the SII, but I thought to myself, I can deal with that - hey, it's a Nexus! The colors seems a bit off to me, but I thought "it's probably just the auto-brightness". It was only after setting the phone up completely that I noticed the urine-colored whites and the muted colors. I thought to myself, "well, everyone says the Galaxy SII is over saturated anyway.." although I wasn't too convinced. It just didn't seem to have the "WOW" factor the SII had. Still, I carried on - after all.. it's a Nexus!
Three weeks later and I'm starting to get pissy about the Gnex. Reception just wasn't as good, seemed to run things slightly slower than my SII, DL speeds were slower than my SII, the touch screen responsiveness (or lack thereof) had simply become annoying. That coupled with the so-so screen quality and everything started to get to me. Dissatisfaction was growing at this point..
Finally I couldn't take it anymore. Sold my Gnex on XDA for $350 shipped and guess what? The very next day it drops to $350 in the Play Store. Felt really bad for the guy who bought mine, but since I keep my phones pristine I'm sure he was OK with it. Plus he saved tax + shipping.
So I immediately went out and bought the Galaxy SIII on release day. OH. MY. GOD. I had my phone back. It was like the SII only bigger. Better. Faster. Touch screen responsiveness and screen was simply amazing. Everything flew on this phone, no matter what I threw at it. Fell in love with Android all over again.
Three weeks ago I went and bought the Nexus 7. I thought, surely the reports of the QC issues are slightly exaggerated since XDA is such a small portion of the consumer population.. they're just a little more anal, a little more OCD about their devices (at least this is what I am reading by the members aggressively defending the Nexus 7). I'm sure it will be fine!
My first Nexus 7 has such bad light bleed I immediately returned it. Bad luck, I thought. I'm sure this isn't the norm. After all, I didn't have any screen lift.. right? My 2nd Nexus 7 - Ahh, perfection. No light bleed, no screen lift, everything looks great. Well, except for the slightly washed out colors and over saturated whites. But hey, it's LCD so what do I expect right? Besides... it's a Nexus!
Sure enough, here I am three weeks later, and the same light bleed in the lower left corner has manifested, along with a slight screen lift on the upper left hand side. I haven't removed the back to check for missing screws yet, but I am sure I will find it is the same as others have reported.. I won't be returning this one as I have decided to live with it even though it aggravates me every time I see it.
So here I am at the impasse.. I have the Galaxy SIII, which is what I consider the best phone on the market (besides perhaps the Note 2) running CM10 Jellybean 4.1.2 flawlessly.. and yet the Nexus name is calling to me again.
WHY IN THE WORLD should I expect things to be different this time? Why would I choose to ignore the reviews and believe other Nexus fan boys who say it's the "test phones" and software that is "not optimized", and that it's not the "final product"?
There's only ONE reason I can think of. Because I am a God damn Google fanatic that keeps ignoring reality in the hopes that everyone is wrong and this will be the best Android phone ever. But we all know that it won't... don't we?
I'm giving Google one last chance to impress the hell outta me. After this, if things turn out like they have in the past, I'm sorry to say it but... I will be a Samsung fan from now on. Yes, they did make the Gnex.. and it was inferior.. but honestly it's probably because they were putting everything into their Galaxy S line to steal the show, which IMO they have done quite successfully.
Don't let me down Google. Make me a Nexus believer again.
Anyone agree with me?
TL;DR, lol.
Nexus 4 will be made by Samsung. Should've called it the SGS4.
I disagree.
SGS2 owner.
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Nexus 4 will be made by Samsung. Should've called it the SGS4.
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Uh... OK.
The Nexus 4 is made by LG. Not Samsung.
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TL;DR, lol.
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This.
Some things can't be properly conveyed in a short paragraph.
Not that I expected any actual responses in a Nexus forum.
I'm not saying that I'm not all in on the Nexus 4.. just saying I don't hold high hopes that it will be everything Google claims..
I read it and here's my take on the Nexus 4.
I may not be as technical as most people on XDA, but I try to read up as much as I can. I think what makes MOST (not all) Android users different from MOST (not all) iPhone users is that we actually take the time to research a product before be buy it. They buy their products because it says "Apple" on the box. We have countless different devices to choose from. We HAVE to do the research before we buy. This isn't just about buying a Nexus, this is about buying a new Android phone and having to choose between what's currently on the market.
For me, I'm over my current phone (T-Mobile G2x) and want to get a new one, but I'm still on contract. I don't make enough money to drop $600+ on a new phone. Hell, even if I did make enough money, I wouldn't be comfortable dropping that much money on a phone. Buying a phone from Google means I can buy a nice phone at an affordable price without forcing me to extend a contract that I never wanted to be on in the first place (I originally only switched from Virgin Mobile to T-Mobile because I wanted a better phone at a decent price and signing a contract used to be the only way to do that). My original plan was actually to buy the Galaxy Nexus to hold me over until my upgrade was available and then, from there, decide if I wanted to stick with Android or try out Windows Phone 8.
Then the Nexus 4 was announced and for the same exact price as the Galaxy Nexus. It's a better phone, at a better price.
Like I said, I may not be as technical as the rest of you, but what I see is a phone that is equivalent to each heavy hitter currently on the market (Galaxy SIII, One X, iPhone 5, the various upcoming offerings from Windows Phone 8). The only difference is that this phone is half the price of all of those. That's what I see when I look at the Nexus 4. I see an affordable upgrade for my current phone that is cheaper to every other comparable phone on the market and that's why I'm going to buy it (after consumer reviews of course, but it's almost certain that I will be ordering this phone before the month is over).
Now, the thing I do not understand is why people with the above mentioned phones would seriously consider this. Yes, it's a Nexus. Yes, it will get updates faster. But why should that all matter? All of us here on XDA are probably running rooted phones and we've all probably flashed multiple ROMs. My G2x is currently running Jellybean 4.1. It may not be 4.2, but I'm sure a clever dev will make it happen at some point. If not my phone, all of the above mentioned phones (minus the iPhone and Windows Phone 8 obviously) will get it at some point. Our vanilla Android experience isn't going to be vanilla for too long out of the box.
Maybe it's because I'm not made of money, but I wouldn't be able to justify dropping another $350 if I already had a $600+ phone. I don't buy into brands (part of the reason why I refuse to use Apple products). I'm happy to be a future owner of a Nexus phone, but I'm not buying it because it's Nexus (although that is nice). I'm buying it because it's cheap and, to my untrained eyes, more or less equal to the best phones on the market.
To each their own. To me, Nexus 4. All there is to it
I agree. I am buying the nexus 4 strictly for these reasons:
1) I need a new phone, currently using Samsung captivate on aokp jb milestone 1.
2) don't want to spend an arm and a leg for a new phone
3) want a phone that will be supported with software updates immediately
4) Want a phone that has great specs so that it can support future software updates down the road
I am not expecting this phone to be a savior. As the old saying goes, if it seems too good to be true it usually is. To buy the most powerful "best" phone and only pay 359$ for it brand new? That seems too good to be true IMO. I just need a huge upgrade from my captivate and the nexus is more than that.
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The Nexus 4 is made by LG. Not Samsung.
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Not according to this retailer. http://www.popularelect.com/LG-Nexus-4-Unlocked-Smartphone-p/Nexus4.htm?gclid=CKm_ksGpu7MCFcaDQgodClkAow
Source discussion http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1977196
I can see your point though I don't agree with some of your reasoning. At times there are levels of excitement that are disproportionate to reality, but I don't think this is representative of the majority of users.
As for the "negative reviews" take a look at the screenshots that show kernel and baseband versions - on at least three of the sites they are different versions. It is highly likely that software improvements will address these issues. The fact that many of the reviews did not make note that the software on their review device is a pre-release version is either disingenuous or ignorant. Making note of this as a consumer does not denote fanboyism.
All products will have build quality issues, this is just how things are. I returned my first Galaxy S2 because of problems with the screen and my first Nexus 7 as well. I know people who have had problems with iPhones and other Android devices which required RMA. Does that mean that an LG product will now have flaws because it has Google branding on it? Hardly. There probably will be issues and we'll hear all the whining and moaning, we wait and see.
tl;dr - it's just a phone, people need to chill the **** out. Only time will tell if it's a great phone or not.
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I can see your point though I don't agree with some of your reasoning. At times there are levels of excitement that are disproportionate to reality, but I don't think this is representative of the majority of users.
As for the "negative reviews" take a look at the screenshots that show kernel and baseband versions - on at least three of the sites they are different versions. It is highly likely that software improvements will address these issues. The fact that many of the reviews did not make note that the software on their review device is a pre-release version is either disingenuous or ignorant. Making note of this as a consumer does not denote fanboyism.
All products will have build quality issues, this is just how things are. I returned my first Galaxy S2 because of problems with the screen and my first Nexus 7 as well. I know people who have had problems with iPhones and other Android devices which required RMA. Does that mean that an LG product will now have flaws because it has Google branding on it? Hardly. There probably will be issues and we'll hear all the whining and moaning, we wait and see.
tl;dr - it's just a phone, people need to chill the **** out. Only time will tell if it's a great phone or not.
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Why, when other phones are reviewed, are they not on some sort of "pre-release" software?
I don't remember reading reviews of other high end Android phones and seeing people say they were "misleading" or that the "software wasn't optimized"
I mean c'mon, all of the sudden reviews are completely bogus and software isn't up to par?
I don't care of they were running GB, the phone either flies or it doesn't.
OP, I'm really glad you made this thread. I've never had a Nexus and I also am over my current device (myTouch 4G) and chomping at the bit to get a new one. I had no idea there were that many problems with either the gnex or the N7. This worries me. I have some thinking to do...
Also, have a thanks.
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Why, when other phones are reviewed, are they not on some sort of "pre-release" software?
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If the software is not released or finished, then they are by definition running 'pre-release' software.
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I don't remember reading reviews of other high end Android phones and seeing people say they were "misleading" or that the "software wasn't optimized"
I mean c'mon, all of the sudden reviews are completely bogus and software isn't up to par?
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I never said the reviews were completely bogus, in fact I mentioned how it was obvious that there was different software on at least three review devices and that It is highly likely that software improvements will address the issues. Note - I am acknowledging that there are issues
Again, it's just a phone. If you are concerned it wont meet your expectations wait until it's been out for a while to see what happens; some people will love it, others will call it a flop.
Other top phones (SIII, etc.) aren't reviewed with pre-release software because they use an established version of Android, aka SIII shipping with ICS, whereas the Nexus 4 is shipping with a brand new version of Android, 4.2, which has not been as widely tested and established, and which Google is probably still working on. If 4.2 were completely ready today, the Nexus 4 would probably be released today, rather than the 13th.
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To me it is a matter of price. I'm stuck with Xperia mini, and I want to upgrade. At the same time the Nexus 4 is released, and it is insanely cheap, at least from foreign countries like Germany (which use the same power plug as Sweden). The price is what makes this phone so very interesting, if it weren't for that there would have been a lot of other phones in question. In Sweden the Nexus 4 isn't something out of the ordinary, when you can buy a Galaxy S3 for about the same price. But if I import this phone from Germany, I save about 150 euros, that is why I'm very interested.
The fact that it is a Nexus is positive, but not the main factor. I've read some bad reviews, but for this price, it isn't a dealbreaker. The same criticism at swedish prices would be a dealbreaker however.
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I need a new phone, I have always preferred vanilla android, and I've had two nexus phones before my current non-nexus phone.
I am ready to be back on a nexus phone, between the quick updates, and being free from a contract, the nexus 4 is extremely enticing, AND at an amazing pricepoint.
I agree with the OP on many counts. Even though I myself have had no problems with my GNex and felt that it was THE most beautiful phone I have owned (maybe second to the LG Prada), the whites were jaundiced and sickly looking. And even though kernels like Trinity fixed it to a certain extent, Google needs to realize one thing - the phone needs to be working without problems out of the box. I think what is happening is an over dependency on devs and a complacency thinking that people will overlook glitches in nexus devices because, hey! after all this is android. The devs can fix everything, right?!
A trend I am seeing with the N4 is that no matter what the issue is, many people go, 'well its just 350, so its ok'! No its not! Its not like we asked Google to make an inexpensive device, so they were compelled and thus had to resort to faulty and low quality hardware to cut costs. The price was their decision. I as a consumer want my phone problem free - $350 or $650
That said, I hope as much as the next guy that the problems so far are indeed related to pre-release firmwares and kernels. But then, it was absolutely ridiculous and insane of Google to send those devices for review. Might as well have no reviews than have tons of negative ones. Sure, people here on XDA are 'techy' enough to know that the test firmware is not final and most of the issues might be wrinkled out by release date. But a common man sees the review and goes 'oh crap! i don't want a headache, lemme just get something that everyone says works i.e. iPhone'.
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Samsung Allegedly Concerned About Current Plastic Designs
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/04/13/samsung-plastic-designs/
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They should also be concerned about those fugly buttons and the crappy touch wiz
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They should also be concerned about those fugly buttons and the crappy touch wiz
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Lol, +1, couldn't agree more
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They should also be concerned about those fugly buttons and the crappy touch wiz
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As much as I dont like the look of TWUI, it is the most functional skin of any skin. I quite like it to be honest.
And I love buttons too. Having used Nexus 4 for a while, you get used to the on screen buttons as way of life, but capacitive buttons still have their own benefits. If I am to have buttons, I would rather have it the way samsung does than the layout on One at the moment.
Frankly Samsung has done the right thing this time around. There is no point in producing a phone with premium material if you cannot produce it in enough quantity by maintaining the quality.
S4 will sell on specifications and features alone. Note 3 being more premium is right way to go. S4 is for masses really.
We are all seeing how much this delay with One is costing HTC. Not to mention QC issues we are seeing in initial batches.
To be honest this whole premium material thing only lasts for few days. I am OCD about my phones, they are kept in case, I dont really care if they use metal or not. If it feels good in hand, has good developer support, fast and decent battery life, I am golden.
I am going for One simply because of curiosity. I have been thoroughly disappointed by my last 2 HTC phones (One X and DNA).
I hope One bucks the trend.
I read this earlier, who knows if it's true. Seems like people just throw random stuff out in the hopes that it sticks. I mean, sooner or later something they say has to be right. I have always said that Samsung should buy HTC and let them design the hardware and let Samsung do the software. A match made in heaven.
Touchwiz on the One would make me ****ing puke.
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As much as I dont like the look of TWUI, it is the most functional skin of any skin. I quite like it to be honest.
And I love buttons too. Having used Nexus 4 for a while, you get used to the on screen buttons as way of life, but capacitive buttons still have their own benefits. If I am to have buttons, I would rather have it the way samsung does than the layout on One at the moment.
Frankly Samsung has done the right thing this time around. There is no point in producing a phone with premium material if you cannot produce it in enough quantity by maintaining the quality.
S4 will sell on specifications and features alone. Note 3 being more premium is right way to go. S4 is for masses really.
We are all seeing how much this delay with One is costing HTC. Not to mention QC issues we are seeing in initial batches.
To be honest this whole premium material thing only lasts for few days. I am OCD about my phones, they are kept in case, I dont really care if they use metal or not. If it feels good in hand, has good developer support, fast and decent battery life, I am golden.
I am going for One simply because of curiosity. I have been thoroughly disappointed by my last 2 HTC phones (One X and DNA).
I hope One bucks the trend.
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You are disappointed by the One X? Give me a break
Unless you are not aware QC issues were quickly sorted and the device is the most well and hastily supported device in HTC history, I bet you've jumped ship so early you have no idea what your are talking about
I said it again n again I prey HTC will drop the mainstream game and become solely aimed at upper end, boutique and more expensive, then we will be done with all this non sense
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You are disappointed by the One X? Give me a break
Unless you are not aware QC issues were quickly sorted and the device is the most well and hastily supported device in HTC history, I bet you've jumped ship so early you have no idea what your are talking about
I said it again n again I prey HTC will drop the mainstream game and become solely aimed at upper end, boutique and more expensive, then we will be done with all this non sense
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Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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I'm with you. Same story. Don't pay any attention to the other guy. He spews the same stuff over and over again.
As for Samsung, I'll believe it when I see it. I remember the S3 was supposed to be ceramic or something...
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What things no body is saying any good things its like a joy to just bash their devices for the stupidest of reasons
Give me a break, nothing besides the initial one x software and QC issues that you can call a disappointment, sorted in just 2 months, otherwise its now one of the best smartphones ever created
No body is screwing any body it's the life long story of early electronics adopters, nothing new and nothing specific to HTC
But alas like I said if we slab any other logo on their devices it would have been another story
hamdir said:
What things no body is saying any good things its like a joy to just bash their devices for the stupidest of reasons
Give me a break, nothing besides the initial one x software and QC issues that you can call a disappointment, sorted in just 2 months, otherwise its now one of the best smartphones ever created
No body is screwing any body it's the life long story of early electronics adopters, nothing new and nothing specific to HTC
But alas like I said if we slab any other logo on their devices it would have been another story
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I'd say battery life is a disappointment. My camera lens was scuffed within a week because of the design. My unit also had the Wi-Fi hardware defect. It has nothing to do with the HTC logo. I scrapped the Nexus 4 because of the weak glass too.
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Samsung Allegedly Concerned About Current Plastic Designs
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As with all news coming from "our sources," take in to account who's putting the story out. All the sites are just quoting SamMobile which HTC's lucky not to have an equivelant of on their "team." The further out the news is, the more frequently SamMobile's wrong.
BREAKING: Samsung ditches own AMOLED and EXYNOS inside new Galaxy S IV
Posted by DannyD on 23 February 2013 at 10:01
Yes you just read the title of this message right. Our insider just gave us the first official “unconfirmed” specifications of the next generation Galaxy S, the Galaxy S IV. The Galaxy S IV will no longer use the Samsung EXYNOS processor and according to the latest rumours this processor has overheating issues. Today we can confirm Samsung will use the Snapdragon 600 and it is clocked at 1.9 Ghz which is 0.2 Ghz higher than the HTC One. The Galaxy S IV will have 2 GB of RAM and will come in three variants 16, 32 or 64 GB. As the rumours earlier reported Samsung is going to use a Full HD display. The Galaxy S IV uses a 4,99″ Full-HD SoLux Display we have no information if this is based on LCD3 like the HTC One. But a couple of months ago we posted the first hint regarding Samsung’s LCD factory is ready to produce Full HD panels from early 2013. And we also know Samsung’s AMOLED factory does have many problems with the production of full HD AMOLED screens.
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/02/23...xynos-inside-new-galaxy-s-iv-with-bootscreen/
Funkym0nkey said:
Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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Epic post, I feel the exact same way as I have used many phones from many different manufacturers, even different OS. The folks that enjoy tech the most are those that keep an open mind and see good things in all brands, not the close minded that are stubborn, in fact they are the most unhappy.
Funkym0nkey said:
Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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I agree completely. Loyalty is the quality of the ignorant consumer. The smart consumer is never loyal to any brand; he goes to whichever product is best for him regardless of who manufactured it.
MohJee said:
I agree completely. Loyalty is the quality of the ignorant consumer. The smart consumer is never loyal to any brand; he goes to whichever product is best for him regardless of who manufactured it.
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And what of companies failing in CSR? Would you still buy their product just because it is the best? This is only one example. A smart consumer can also be loyal. In fact, a smart consumer should be loyal.
ataft said:
And what of companies failing in CSR? Would you still buy their product just because it is the best? This is only one example. A smart consumer can also be loyal. In fact, a smart consumer should be loyal.
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Well I guess we all went way OT lol but one last point. You're right, being a loyal consumer is a good thing ( although I disagree that you should be like you mentioned, it's a personal choice). The issue is that some consumers are loyal to one brand and dismiss or try to discredit other brands or one brand in particular(definition of a fanboy), that's the issue that we are discussing.
Competition is always good and if HTC forces Samsung to up the game and use better materials then that is all good in my opinion.
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As with all news coming from "our sources," take in to account who's putting the story out. All the sites are just quoting SamMobile which HTC's lucky not to have an equivelant of on their "team." The further out the news is, the more frequently SamMobile's wrong.
BREAKING: Samsung ditches own AMOLED and EXYNOS inside new Galaxy S IV
Posted by DannyD on 23 February 2013 at 10:01
Yes you just read the title of this message right. Our insider just gave us the first official “unconfirmed” specifications of the next generation Galaxy S, the Galaxy S IV. The Galaxy S IV will no longer use the Samsung EXYNOS processor and according to the latest rumours this processor has overheating issues. Today we can confirm Samsung will use the Snapdragon 600 and it is clocked at 1.9 Ghz which is 0.2 Ghz higher than the HTC One. The Galaxy S IV will have 2 GB of RAM and will come in three variants 16, 32 or 64 GB. As the rumours earlier reported Samsung is going to use a Full HD display. The Galaxy S IV uses a 4,99″ Full-HD SoLux Display we have no information if this is based on LCD3 like the HTC One. But a couple of months ago we posted the first hint regarding Samsung’s LCD factory is ready to produce Full HD panels from early 2013. And we also know Samsung’s AMOLED factory does have many problems with the production of full HD AMOLED screens.
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/02/23...xynos-inside-new-galaxy-s-iv-with-bootscreen/
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There was a real image of an LCD S4 prototype. My friend said he had seen 3 different S4 prototypes. And the article of OP also mentioned about the metal prototype of S4.
And for the question about the touchwiz, I'm sure MultiWindow is the desire of any smartphone user (more or less, but I think nobody doesn't want it in their phone)
Build quality goes out the window when you put a decent case on your phone so who cares man.
daleski75 said:
Competition is always good and if HTC forces Samsung to up the game and use better materials then that is all good in my opinion.
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Competition is the mother of innovation. Personally I set my top criteria when looking for a new phone: will it feel
robust in my hand. This always leads me back to aluminium (granted, 2nd criteria is: Not Apple)
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And for the question about the touchwiz, I'm sure MultiWindow is the desire of any smartphone user (more or less, but I think nobody doesn't want it in their phone)
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I certainly don't want multi-window on any platform below 8 inches. No matter what res you're running there just isn't enough physical realestate (that chat-head that FB messenger pushed out is getting disabled! There's no part of the screen it WON'T get in the way)
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Currently I have an iPhone 3GS. It's served me well for the last year and 3/4 but its starting to show its age. Really I just want to know if I show go and buy a nexus 4 now or should I wait for something like the note 2 to come down in price? Any help in answer this question would be good.
Noobven said:
Currently I have an iPhone 3GS. It's served me well for the last year and 3/4 but its starting to show its age. Really I just want to know if I show go and buy a nexus 4 now or should I wait for something like the note 2 to come down in price? Any help in answer this question would be good.
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I'd get the Nexus 4 now, it just depends how long you are willing to wait.
It depends on your budget. If you waited this long I don't see why you can't wait to see what phones are released later in the summer.
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Well I've only really been looking this month. My main concern is the longevity of the nexus 4 as I read that is slowly being outdated without being a year old( but seeing as my phone is 3 it shouldn't really concern me). And as for my budget I'm looking for the best that is around $400-$500
If you're budget conscious and think you would enjoy the stock Android experience, I say go for it. If you take excellent care of your phone you can always sell it for a good amount on eBay or Craigslist and use that money to buy an upcoming phone should it appeal to you more.
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If you're budget conscious and think you would enjoy the stock Android experience, I say go for it. If you take excellent care of your phone you can always sell it for a good amount on eBay or Craigslist and use that money to buy an upcoming phone should it appeal to you more.
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I'm kinda new to the android market. I've got a transformer pad tf300. Could you explain what's the difference between that and the stock android experience. Is one better than the other. Or could you link me to somewhere I could find this information.
Noobven said:
Well I've only really been looking this month. My main concern is the longevity of the nexus 4 as I read that is slowly being outdated without being a year old( but seeing as my phone is 3 it shouldn't really concern me). And as for my budget I'm looking for the best that is around $400-$500
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Idk where you read that but the Nexus 4 is about to receive 4.3 and will more than likely receive 5.0 later this year. The Nexus 4 has a lot of life left in it. Even after Google stops official support I'm sure the dev community will keep it going a while longer.
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Noobven said:
I'm kinda new to the android market. I've got a transformer pad tf300. Could you explain what's the difference between that and the stock android experience. Is one better than the other. Or could you link me to somewhere I could find this information.
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I've never used Transformer before but I believe it runs a slightly skinned version of Android? In any case you can look up YouTube videos of the Nexus 4 and the Nexus 7 to see what stock Android is like.
It's debated (of course) but most of the Android devotees enjoy "stock/vanilla" Android, which basically means it's Android as it comes from Google. OEMs like Samsung, HTC, Motorola, and others all put their own custom skins on it. They often add features that stock Android doesn't have (some useful, some gimmicky) but the general consensus is that the skins bog down the phone and that loss in performance outweighs the extra bells and whistles you get.
Being that you're an iOS user, think of it in these terms--a Nexus device is the closest thing to an iPhone for Android. I mean this in the sense that when Google releases a new version of Android, you get it quickly after it's release. Just like you do when Apple pushes an iOS update. If you had say a Samsung Galaxy S4 and were anxious for Android 5.0, you'd have to wait at least a few months for Samsung to rework their Touchwiz UI over the new Android 5.0 and send out an update.
Given your budget, I would totally recommend the Nexus 4. You'll even have some extra cash to spend on some great accessories to keep it nice and safe--in case you do decide to sell it for something coming in the next year.
Hope this helps.
The only reasons to wait would be the release of the x phone or the next nexus. As we don't know if the x phone will be worth it, and the nexus 5 isn't even announced yet (don't forget the time it took to get the phone on stock..2 or 3 month after release), I'd say get the Nexus 4 and be happy.
I bought my N4 last week and I advice you to buy it
I am normally a buy now type of guy.
But I would wait to the moto x announcement. And at least see if the tumours are true.
One of the biggest things about a nexus device is that is unlocked and off contract.
If the moto x is going to be available for 299 of contract and their is a device for your carrier of choice, that would also be a tempting deal. Decent specs and lte and a good price. I don't really believe that rumor but I would at least wait til find out. It's only a week away.
ccab said:
The only reasons to wait would be the release of the x phone or the next nexus. As we don't know if the x phone will be worth it, and the nexus 5 isn't even announced yet (don't forget the time it took to get the phone on stock..2 or 3 month after release), I'd say get the Nexus 4 and be happy.
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Moto x not worth it. It's a dual core phone and not even 1080p. The only thing better for the Moto x over the n4 is probably the camera. Spec wise, n4 is a lot faster. Plus it's a Nexus phone so therefore, it will have the latest updates. Moto x will still require carrier approval most likely.
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Buy it.
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zephiK said:
Moto x not worth it. It's a dual core phone and not even 1080p. The only thing better for the Moto x over the n4 is probably the camera. Spec wise, n4 is a lot faster. Plus it's a Nexus phone so therefore, it will have the latest updates. Moto x will still require carrier approval most likely.
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Not worth it? You don't even know the price. Nor do you know the network the user is on. I assume if he is from the states he is on att. That alone could easily push somebody to a moto x phone on that network for lte over their crap 3g.
Specs don't mean crap. Benchmarks don't mean crap. In no usage case with the nexus 4 be a lot faster. In fact it the moto x should be faster in day to day use. It won't be slower.
The op didn't mention a thing about getting updates and doesn't even know what the stock experience is and so on.
If he wants to spend up to 500 on a phone he could also consider dropping that for a oppo. And that phone is old and still worth that price.
zephiK said:
Moto x not worth it. It's a dual core phone and not even 1080p. The only thing better for the Moto x over the n4 is probably the camera. Spec wise, n4 is a lot faster
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The problem with some android users is that they measure everything according to hardware, i call this the samsung mentality, "pump in the latest and greatest hardware, it will look good on paper, who cares about user experience" . No wonder the S4 has a lot of problems and as they call it over there (on their xda forums) "unoptimized software yet". Doesn't sound nice for a >650$ device.
I'm not a fan of Apple or any of it's products, but comparing the hardware/performance of the iphone5 vs galaxy S4 , as sad as it sounds, the my-little-pony-phone destroys that S4 in all fields even with inferior hardware.
So don't put the Moto X on ignore list just yet, i'm sure those 2 cores are going to be more than enough for one of the best android user experiences, and the lack of 1080p display is there for a reason. And finally don't forget that rumors say it's going to be an affordable phone targeting a wider crowd than, let's say, the nexus line.
An average non tech savvy individual doesn't care about which hardware the device rocks, they only care about the overall user experience, and the Moto X might provide just that.
I don't think the N4 will be outdated anytime soon for me at least, but I guess it depends on your needs. The biggest downside to N4 (for me) is the lack of external SD and LTE. If you feel these features are important to you in the near future, I would wait. If not, I would buy.
I bought one last wed. The Dev community is huge for the device and will be for along time. Pricing and hardware is awesome, not to mention I think its still one of the best looking phones. I say go for it.
Cheers, J.
I bought the N4 recently and I'd say wait for the moto x. It's just a week more and I think it's better looking than the nexus. Hardware specs are not that important. If you don't like it you can still get the nexus later.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffbVw1BrUDk&feature=youtu.be
Yep, that's everyone at this point. :silly:
To big for me ?
What a shame, I will stay with my Nexus 5 for now and see if we get a smaller option?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffbVw1BrUDk&feature=youtu.be
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LOL.,when they see a display unit all shiney and QHD in a shop they will be all over it!
johnny8910 said:
To big for me
What a shame, I will stay with my Nexus 5 for now and see if we get a smaller option?
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What a shamU!
xsystem1 said:
What a shamU!
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BUT!! Until I have a play with one??
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffbVw1BrUDk&feature=youtu.be
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The part that video leaves out is when the Nexus 6 falls over and crushes and entire city block, killing women, children, and babies, like the Godzilla of phones that it is. (Sponge Bob escapes because he's a sponge, after all, and can re-expand to his normal shape.)
The Nexus 6 is an awesome device and in terms of hardware it's the best Nexus device yet (unless it does not have Motorola's four microphone noise cancellation, from the 2nd Gen Moto X, in which case it will not even been as good as the Nexus One for noise cancellation--the best Nexus device so far on that acount).
But, it's totally legitimate that a lot of people don't want a phablet, let alone a phablet that's even larger than the Note 4. For those who like the size, they're' in luck. For the rest of us, it's a big (nay huge skyscraper crushing) disappointment.
I got over the size, can't get over the price
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the 10mm thickness is not a great feature for a big screen phone. the price just ruins it.
I just don't understand these manufacturers.
I like moto x 2nd gen but small battery & no SD slot..
Then I like N6 BUT way too big...
Can't these people get something perfect or near perfect.. !!!
johnny8910 said:
To big for me ?
What a shame, I will stay with my Nexus 5 for now and see if we get a smaller option?
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Same here ~ Really too big. ~ I believe that 5.5" in note 2 is maximum for a PHONE ~ wait for L update on my Nexus 5
RohanM said:
Can't these people get something perfect or near perfect.. !!!
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Of course they can't, considering it's subjective and will vary from person to person.
The only sure fire way of someone getting something which they think is perfect (or as near to it as possible) is to make it themselves.
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LOL.,when they see a display unit all shiney and QHD in a shop they will be all over it!
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Nope. I do not want to carry a brick around. I also doubt the battery will be that good with such a big screen to power...
Nice, I NEED it too!
Honestly I'm really torn. I held off buying opo until this was released and with the price being so high I may just have to grab opo after all.
When I bought my n4 I was so happy with it I swore I would only buy nexus from then on, but now I'm not so sure....
Can't wait to get this big bad boy! Saving my $'s now...and will sell my Nexus5 if I like/keep the Nexus6!
Can't wait to get this either!
I think most of the people who are having doubts are not having those doubts because of the size. We pretty much knew weeks ago that this was going to be a phablet with a screen close to 6". It's the price that shocked people like myself. And as I posted in the other thread, if this had expandable storage, I would probably be all over it regardless of the price. But as it stands, it's a no-go for me.
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Of course they can't, considering it's subjective and will vary from person to person.
The only sure fire way of someone getting something which they think is perfect (or as near to it as possible) is to make it themselves.
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Of course it's true that no phone is perfect, since what people want is subjective. And there are always some people that complaining about some things about every phone.
But, sometimes there are also things that clearly people don't like and manufacturers do it anyway. It's been notable to me that the clear majority of comments here and on many other websites object to the size of this phone. I've never seen such a preponderance of dislike for the design of a new phone before (and I'm not saying that there aren't people that like it, just that it's clear that most people who would normally want the latest Nexus device don't like the huge size of this one). When that happens, I do think a manufacturer is really being tone deaf and shooting themselves in the foot.
Yes, Google wanted a phablet so developers could have it as a reference device, since phablets do make of a significant piece of the market--about 14% world wide right now and growing (they say to 32% by 2018). But that still leaves 86% of the market that doesn't want a phablet and even 68% in 2018 (if the projections turn out to be right). Alienating 86% of the market for the sake of the other 14% doesn't make a ton of sense.
What's more, development of Android is not simply helped by the developers that buy the Nexus phones. The Android fans that buy them and play with custom roms help establish what are new features that people really want. They also are the biggest promoters of Android and important to Google's marketing. So alienating the non-developer Nexus fans is a bad move.
The obvious solution would have been to release two sizes for the Nexus 6 (like the iPhone 6). Since Motorola is already making the 5.2" Moto X using the same design as with the Nexus 6, it would have been pretty simple to have a similar sized smaller Nexus 6, in addition to the phablet.
The other problem is that now we live in a world where only phablets get the best features (e.g. OIS, more memory, more Ram, more LTE bands, the fastest processors, etc.). Apple and Samsung are guilty of this too. You should not have to get a phablet to get a flagship device. The 5"-ish phones should also have the flagship specs.
I think this really is going to backfire for all of the handset makers, eventually. People will be slower to upgrade their phones and that will equal less profits.
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I think most of the people who are having doubts are not having those doubts because of the size. We pretty much knew weeks ago that this was going to be a phablet with a screen close to 6". It's the price that shocked people like myself. And as I posted in the other thread, if this had expandable storage, I would probably be all over it regardless of the price. But as it stands, it's a no-go for me.
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Honestly, I'm still seeing far more complaints about the size than the price.
A lot of people were holding out hope that it would be smaller or there would be two sizes. The price was a surprise, but for better or worse, the diehard Android fans who buy Nexus devices are mostly willing to shell out the money (especially given the option for installment plans on carriers like T-Mobile). It's clear that Google doesn't want to undercut other Android handset makers anymore, with bargain basement prices and that makes sense from a business point of view. I think people get that, even if they are disappointed.
So in the end, what I'm seeing here and elsewhere is surprise by the price, but disappointment at the size far eclipsing that. People can come up with ways to put together the money, if they want the device. But there's no way to shrink it. An insolvable problem is much more frustrating than a solveable one.
Here, out of curiosity, I made a poll on the size or price question: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/worse-size-price-t2907144
cb474 said:
Of course it's true that no phone is perfect, since what people want is subjective. And there are always some people that complaining about some things about every phone.
But, sometimes there are also things that clearly people don't like and manufacturers do it anyway. It's been notable to me that the clear majority of comments here and on many other websites object to the size of this phone. I've never seen such a preponderance of dislike for the design of a new phone before (and I'm not saying that there aren't people that like it, just that it's clear that most people who would normally want the latest Nexus device don't like the huge size of this one). When that happens, I do think a manufacturer is really being tone deaf and shooting themselves in the foot.
Yes, Google wanted a phablet so developers could have it as a reference device, since phablets do make of a significant piece of the market--about 14% world wide right now and growing (they say to 32% by 2018). But that still leaves 86% of the market that doesn't want a phablet and even 68% in 2018 (if the projections turn out to be right). Alienating 86% of the market for the sake of the other 14% doesn't make a ton of sense.
What's more, development of Android is not simply helped by the developers that buy the Nexus phones. The Android fans that buy them and play with custom roms help establish what are new features that people really want. They also are the biggest promoters of Android and important to Google's marketing. So alienating the non-developer Nexus fans is a bad move.
The obvious solution would have been to release two sizes for the Nexus 6 (like the iPhone 6). Since Motorola is already making the 5.2" Moto X using the same design as with the Nexus 6, it would have been pretty simple to have a similar sized smaller Nexus 6, in addition to the phablet.
The other problem is that now we live in a world where only phablets get the best features (e.g. OIS, more memory, more Ram, more LTE bands, the fastest processors, etc.). Apple and Samsung are guilty of this too. You should not have to get a phablet to get a flagship device. The 5"-ish phones should also have the flagship specs.
I think this really is going to backfire for all of the handset makers, eventually. People will be slower to upgrade their phones and that will equal less profits.
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Honestly, I'm still seeing far more complaints about the size than the price.
A lot of people were holding out hope that it would be smaller or there would be two sizes. The price was a surprise, but for better or worse, the diehard Android fans who buy Nexus devices are mostly willing to shell out the money (especially given the option for installment plans on carriers like T-Mobile). It's clear that Google doesn't want to undercut other Android handset makers anymore, with bargain basement prices and that makes sense from a business point of view. I think people get that, even if they are disappointed.
So in the end, what I'm seeing here and elsewhere is surprise by the price, but disappointment at the size far eclipsing that. People can come up with ways to put together the money, if they want the device. But there's no way to shrink it. An insolvable problem is much more frustrating than a solveable one.
Here, out of curiosity, I made a poll on the size or price question: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/worse-size-price-t2907144
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There's already a poll on r/android and it has quite a few responses (390 at last check). Too expensive is the top reason why people are choosing not to purchase the Nexus 6 (25%). The second highest response is too large (22%).
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mL...lhMT4pynNPh3BY/viewanalytics?usp=form_confirm (Link to poll)
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2jdr40/meta_nexus_device_poll_for_randroid/ (Link to thread)
I'm just saying, we all knew it would be a large screen device, but I don't think anyone guessed it would be $650. That was the real surprise for me.
He makes some valid points, especially on the price. In summary, he argues that the price isn't outrageous for a number of reasons:
- The specs of this phone are insane and can justify a higher price tag
- The premium build on this phone is unlike any of the previous Nexus devices
- Companies such as Apple and Samsung sell phones that are even more expensive. Nexus 6 is actually a bit cheaper than it's competitors.
- The Nexus 6 is Google's step on becoming mainstream and more premium feeling Stock Android experience
What do you guys think?
All this is true. I think main reason people are pissed is because this is like a complete switch over tight. Go from 4" phones that are 350 to 6" phones that are 1.2x the previous price with no in between ya know? Such as a smaller device with slim down spec and cheaper price. It is true that compare to others it is cheap...but let not forget, lg g3 is cheaper and it gives us just about everything the n6 (32gb) offers (almost) so google really had no excuse
Yeah, I can understand that. Big changes aren't always welcome.
The LG G3 is a great phone but the Nexus 6 has (slightly) newer specs. Of course, this probably won't be noticable at all.
Also, the Nexus 6 has a better design in my opinion even if I loved the G3's design.
Google is just trying something new.
The jump from the Galaxy Nexus to the N4 was just as precipitous, just in the opposite direction. IIRC, the GN was something like $600 when it was released. The VZW on-contract price was $300. It was not cheap at all.
I personally don't care for the price, its not an issue with me because of my career. And honestly, come on, people expected to get such specs and fast charging at 400? lol...come on yall...let be real here. Our economy is inflated that means so will nexus devices
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I personally don't care for the price, its not an issue with me because of my career. And honestly, come on, people expected to get such specs and fast charging at 400? lol...come on yall...let be real here. Our economy is inflated that means so will nexus devices
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Just saying, the fast charging isn't something that costs a lot to implement. Its been there since the LG G2 even the nexus 5 has the hardware but it hasn't been activated for use. Even the new moto x has turbo charging, its part of the 800,801,805 chips.
mgbotoe said:
I personally don't care for the price, its not an issue with me because of my career. And honestly, come on, people expected to get such specs and fast charging at 400? lol...come on yall...let be real here. Our economy is inflated that means so will nexus devices
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I think it just has become an expectation from the Nexus series since the N4 started the whole price reduction thing. Just like No SD Card Support or Removable Battery once something adheres from one generation to the next people assume it will remain that way for Nexus.
As for me, it cannot come out soon enough!
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Dear All,
Yes, the price of the device is not Nexus 5 territory anymore. Google listened to your requests:
1. Larger battery -> Complied.
2. Better speakers. ->Complied.
3. Android 5.0 -> Complied.
4. More screen on time -> Complied.
5. Premium feel -> Complied.
What more can you ask from Google. They met our requests but also added a new direction that they feel will be of best interests for their business model. They are clearly moving towards more mainstream this time as 4 carriers will carry the phone right from the start. Samsung can't have all the fun with the phablet segment so Google and Apple wants a piece of the pie. Apple won't argue with money since Samsung took so many sales from them with the Note series. Google did leave us Nexus owners a bad taste in our mouth since we were use to the bargain price for a well rounded phone. Now, they want to move in another direction. They did keep the N5 active for people waiting for the N6 if they are thinking of upgrading from N4 or other devices. The N5 is the answer if you want a more "one hand friendly" phone and the N5 is a great phone. With the Lollipop soon to be on the phone, it will even get better with battery life and the overall experience.
Finally, if the N6 is right for you... hand over $649 / $699 to Google and enjoy your monster N6. If the N6 doesn't float your boat, the N5 is a great phone (current owner of N5 too) to fill your needs or wait till early spring/summer 2015 for 64-bit flagships to appear in a smaller footprint.
I think I will get Nexus on Verizon. And try it for a year if I don't like it, more 64 bit phones will be out which will present more options. I'm betting that the nexus will have better support a year or two when comparing it to Touchwiz.
My note 2 is starting to feel a bit slow.
Ill admit. I was floored when I saw the price but when you think about it, its not overpriced at all. Im pretty much sold on picking one up and upgrading from my N4. Only thing that would deter me is if reviews are utterly terrible, and something tells me thats not happening
I honestly don't believe they are canning the n5... Kind of like apple having the 6 and 6+
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He makes some valid points, especially on the price. In summary, he argues that the price isn't outrageous for a number of reasons:
- The specs of this phone are insane and can justify a higher price tag
- The premium build on this phone is unlike any of the previous Nexus devices
- Companies such as Apple and Samsung sell phones that are even more expensive. Nexus 6 is actually a bit cheaper than it's competitors.
- The Nexus 6 is Google's step on becoming mainstream and more premium feeling Stock Android experience
What do you guys think?
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I think it's a tablet. I think that Google and other companies are forgetting that these are phones. It's a ridiculously big phone, and I doubt it's not going to go mainstream. Phone makers need to remember these are portable devices, they keep getting bigger and bigger and are officially in tablet territory now.
Price was never the issue for me. For once it has quite good specs without skimping on stuff but the phone itself is MASSIVE. If I buy one I'll have to buy new clothes.
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I think it's a tablet. I think that Google and other companies are forgetting that these are phones. It's a ridiculously big phone, and I doubt it's not going to go mainstream. Phone makers need to remember these are portable devices, they keep getting bigger and bigger and are officially in tablet territory now.
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I think you're forgetting that every year people complain that phones are getting too big, and yet people continue to buy them happily. Even Apple has seen enough evidence to release Android-sized phones so you know it's obvious if they're changing their plan, stubborn as they are. As mentioned in the video, the Nexus 6 is the same height as the iPhone 6 plus and doesn't appear to be much larger than the Note 4...so don't let the screen-size alone determine your beliefs.
Do you think for one second that if Google is able to achieve sales similar to those of the Samsung Note series that they'll be disappointed? Clearly there is a market for this size phone and it's continuing to grow as people realize bigger is better with phones, despite the drawbacks. That's not to say it's for everyone, so you can continue to choose from one of the many options available at a size/price you prefer.
I wonder what the on contract price will be
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i think considering the s10 x64 processors will be out and be a standard in the s6 and m9 ..etc the n6 isn't worth the price tag.
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djkinetic said:
I honestly don't believe they are canning the n5... Kind of like apple having the 6 and 6+
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well obviously the rumor of them revamping it with higher specs were wrong.
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I think you're forgetting that every year people complain that phones are getting too big, and yet people continue to buy them happily. Even Apple has seen enough evidence to release Android-sized phones so you know it's obvious if they're changing their plan, stubborn as they are. As mentioned in the video, the Nexus 6 is the same height as the iPhone 6 plus and doesn't appear to be much larger than the Note 4...so don't let the screen-size alone determine your beliefs.
Do you think for one second that if Google is able to achieve sales similar to those of the Samsung Note series that they'll be disappointed? Clearly there is a market for this size phone and it's continuing to grow as people realize bigger is better with phones, despite the drawbacks. That's not to say it's for everyone, so you can continue to choose from one of the many options available at a size/price you prefer.
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Google is never going to encroach on Samsung. Ever. It's futile to try and Nexus devices have never sold well. Bigger is better, until you pass 5.5" or so. When does it stop? 7" phone? 7.5" phone screen? How big do people really need their phone? I can be equally productive on a nexus 5 as I can a nexus 6. Period.
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Price was never the issue for me. For once it has quite good specs without skimping on stuff but the phone itself is MASSIVE. If I buy one I'll have to buy new clothes.
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I've seen this argument quite a few times now, where exactly did previous Nexus phones "skimp". It seems to be something people are using to justify the high price despite for the past two years everyone saying the nexus was a high end phone for half the price...
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i think considering the s10 x64 processors will be out and be a standard in the s6 and m9 ..etc the n6 isn't worth the price tag.
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I think by the time 64 bit actually matters in phones I will have moved on to the next Nexus, so it's not an issue for me. Like most tech people (I think), I'm not the type of person who keeps the same phone for more than a year or two max.
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Google is never going to encroach on Samsung. Ever. It's futile to try and Nexus devices have never sold well. Bigger is better, until you pass 5.5" or so. When does it stop? 7" phone? 7.5" phone screen? How big do people really need their phone? I can be equally productive on a nexus 5 as I can a nexus 6. Period.
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Google will certainly make a dent considering they are selling this Nexus via all US carriers for the first time...so it doesn't really matter what they did in the past, this is a new era. They definitely won't make a huge dent, but it has a chance to be meaningful.
How can you possibly argue that "bigger is better until you pass 5.5" or so". That's not some magical number that has any real meaning...it's simply your brain deciding that you've had enough, despite the fact that you've never used the Nexus 6. A million people said the same thing when phones moved to 4.7"...then they said it again at 5.0"...then they said it again at 5.2"...they said it about the Note when it came out...and now they're saying the same thing about the Nexus 6...they've been wrong every single time and I see no reason to believe that suddenly this is it.
I think we're probably pushing the limit of how big you want a smartphone, but that's EXACTLY what I want to happen. I want the biggest damn phone that isn't "too big". We won't know what "too big" is until we get there, but I don't believe the Note 4 was too big and we know that the Nexus 6 is not that much bigger..much of the half inch screen size difference is made up for by smaller bezels, which is also something I want to see continue to happen.
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I think by the time 64 bit actually matters in phones I will have moved on to the next Nexus, so it's not an issue for me. Like most tech people (I think), I'm not the type of person who keeps the same phone for more than a year or two max.
Google will certainly make a dent considering they are selling this Nexus via all US carriers for the first time...so it doesn't really matter what they did in the past, this is a new era. They definitely won't make a huge dent, but it has a chance to be meaningful.
How can you possibly argue that "bigger is better until you pass 5.5" or so". That's not some magical number that has any real meaning...it's simply your brain deciding that you've had enough, despite the fact that you've never used the Nexus 6. A million people said the same thing when phones moved to 4.7"...then they said it again at 5.0"...then they said it again at 5.2"...they said it about the Note when it came out...and now they're saying the same thing about the Nexus 6...they've been wrong every single time and I see no reason to believe that suddenly this is it.
I think we're probably pushing the limit of how big you want a smartphone, but that's EXACTLY what I want to happen. I want the biggest damn phone that isn't "too big". We won't know what "too big" is until we get there, but I don't believe the Note 4 was too big and we know that the Nexus 6 is not that much bigger..much of the half inch screen size difference is made up for by smaller bezels, which is also something I want to see continue to happen.
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Ridiculous. Here's a nice little study you can do at home. Go pick up your Nexus 7 and hold it to your face, or try and put it in your pocket. Think about carrying that thing with you all day long as a phone. There are plenty of examples of what "too big" is, we're there now. You may want your tablet to be a phone, but most professionals need something portable, and easy to carry, that isn't going to require being kept in a backpack. 5.5" phones like the LG G3 are actually still small enough to be considered a phone, I've held the iPhone 6+, trust me, we're there, phones are now too big.