https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffbVw1BrUDk&feature=youtu.be
Yep, that's everyone at this point. :silly:
To big for me ?
What a shame, I will stay with my Nexus 5 for now and see if we get a smaller option?
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LOL.,when they see a display unit all shiney and QHD in a shop they will be all over it!
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To big for me
What a shame, I will stay with my Nexus 5 for now and see if we get a smaller option?
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What a shamU!
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What a shamU!
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BUT!! Until I have a play with one??
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The part that video leaves out is when the Nexus 6 falls over and crushes and entire city block, killing women, children, and babies, like the Godzilla of phones that it is. (Sponge Bob escapes because he's a sponge, after all, and can re-expand to his normal shape.)
The Nexus 6 is an awesome device and in terms of hardware it's the best Nexus device yet (unless it does not have Motorola's four microphone noise cancellation, from the 2nd Gen Moto X, in which case it will not even been as good as the Nexus One for noise cancellation--the best Nexus device so far on that acount).
But, it's totally legitimate that a lot of people don't want a phablet, let alone a phablet that's even larger than the Note 4. For those who like the size, they're' in luck. For the rest of us, it's a big (nay huge skyscraper crushing) disappointment.
I got over the size, can't get over the price
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the 10mm thickness is not a great feature for a big screen phone. the price just ruins it.
I just don't understand these manufacturers.
I like moto x 2nd gen but small battery & no SD slot..
Then I like N6 BUT way too big...
Can't these people get something perfect or near perfect.. !!!
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Same here ~ Really too big. ~ I believe that 5.5" in note 2 is maximum for a PHONE ~ wait for L update on my Nexus 5
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Can't these people get something perfect or near perfect.. !!!
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Of course they can't, considering it's subjective and will vary from person to person.
The only sure fire way of someone getting something which they think is perfect (or as near to it as possible) is to make it themselves.
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Nope. I do not want to carry a brick around. I also doubt the battery will be that good with such a big screen to power...
Nice, I NEED it too!
Honestly I'm really torn. I held off buying opo until this was released and with the price being so high I may just have to grab opo after all.
When I bought my n4 I was so happy with it I swore I would only buy nexus from then on, but now I'm not so sure....
Can't wait to get this big bad boy! Saving my $'s now...and will sell my Nexus5 if I like/keep the Nexus6!
Can't wait to get this either!
I think most of the people who are having doubts are not having those doubts because of the size. We pretty much knew weeks ago that this was going to be a phablet with a screen close to 6". It's the price that shocked people like myself. And as I posted in the other thread, if this had expandable storage, I would probably be all over it regardless of the price. But as it stands, it's a no-go for me.
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Of course they can't, considering it's subjective and will vary from person to person.
The only sure fire way of someone getting something which they think is perfect (or as near to it as possible) is to make it themselves.
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Of course it's true that no phone is perfect, since what people want is subjective. And there are always some people that complaining about some things about every phone.
But, sometimes there are also things that clearly people don't like and manufacturers do it anyway. It's been notable to me that the clear majority of comments here and on many other websites object to the size of this phone. I've never seen such a preponderance of dislike for the design of a new phone before (and I'm not saying that there aren't people that like it, just that it's clear that most people who would normally want the latest Nexus device don't like the huge size of this one). When that happens, I do think a manufacturer is really being tone deaf and shooting themselves in the foot.
Yes, Google wanted a phablet so developers could have it as a reference device, since phablets do make of a significant piece of the market--about 14% world wide right now and growing (they say to 32% by 2018). But that still leaves 86% of the market that doesn't want a phablet and even 68% in 2018 (if the projections turn out to be right). Alienating 86% of the market for the sake of the other 14% doesn't make a ton of sense.
What's more, development of Android is not simply helped by the developers that buy the Nexus phones. The Android fans that buy them and play with custom roms help establish what are new features that people really want. They also are the biggest promoters of Android and important to Google's marketing. So alienating the non-developer Nexus fans is a bad move.
The obvious solution would have been to release two sizes for the Nexus 6 (like the iPhone 6). Since Motorola is already making the 5.2" Moto X using the same design as with the Nexus 6, it would have been pretty simple to have a similar sized smaller Nexus 6, in addition to the phablet.
The other problem is that now we live in a world where only phablets get the best features (e.g. OIS, more memory, more Ram, more LTE bands, the fastest processors, etc.). Apple and Samsung are guilty of this too. You should not have to get a phablet to get a flagship device. The 5"-ish phones should also have the flagship specs.
I think this really is going to backfire for all of the handset makers, eventually. People will be slower to upgrade their phones and that will equal less profits.
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I think most of the people who are having doubts are not having those doubts because of the size. We pretty much knew weeks ago that this was going to be a phablet with a screen close to 6". It's the price that shocked people like myself. And as I posted in the other thread, if this had expandable storage, I would probably be all over it regardless of the price. But as it stands, it's a no-go for me.
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Honestly, I'm still seeing far more complaints about the size than the price.
A lot of people were holding out hope that it would be smaller or there would be two sizes. The price was a surprise, but for better or worse, the diehard Android fans who buy Nexus devices are mostly willing to shell out the money (especially given the option for installment plans on carriers like T-Mobile). It's clear that Google doesn't want to undercut other Android handset makers anymore, with bargain basement prices and that makes sense from a business point of view. I think people get that, even if they are disappointed.
So in the end, what I'm seeing here and elsewhere is surprise by the price, but disappointment at the size far eclipsing that. People can come up with ways to put together the money, if they want the device. But there's no way to shrink it. An insolvable problem is much more frustrating than a solveable one.
Here, out of curiosity, I made a poll on the size or price question: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/worse-size-price-t2907144
cb474 said:
Of course it's true that no phone is perfect, since what people want is subjective. And there are always some people that complaining about some things about every phone.
But, sometimes there are also things that clearly people don't like and manufacturers do it anyway. It's been notable to me that the clear majority of comments here and on many other websites object to the size of this phone. I've never seen such a preponderance of dislike for the design of a new phone before (and I'm not saying that there aren't people that like it, just that it's clear that most people who would normally want the latest Nexus device don't like the huge size of this one). When that happens, I do think a manufacturer is really being tone deaf and shooting themselves in the foot.
Yes, Google wanted a phablet so developers could have it as a reference device, since phablets do make of a significant piece of the market--about 14% world wide right now and growing (they say to 32% by 2018). But that still leaves 86% of the market that doesn't want a phablet and even 68% in 2018 (if the projections turn out to be right). Alienating 86% of the market for the sake of the other 14% doesn't make a ton of sense.
What's more, development of Android is not simply helped by the developers that buy the Nexus phones. The Android fans that buy them and play with custom roms help establish what are new features that people really want. They also are the biggest promoters of Android and important to Google's marketing. So alienating the non-developer Nexus fans is a bad move.
The obvious solution would have been to release two sizes for the Nexus 6 (like the iPhone 6). Since Motorola is already making the 5.2" Moto X using the same design as with the Nexus 6, it would have been pretty simple to have a similar sized smaller Nexus 6, in addition to the phablet.
The other problem is that now we live in a world where only phablets get the best features (e.g. OIS, more memory, more Ram, more LTE bands, the fastest processors, etc.). Apple and Samsung are guilty of this too. You should not have to get a phablet to get a flagship device. The 5"-ish phones should also have the flagship specs.
I think this really is going to backfire for all of the handset makers, eventually. People will be slower to upgrade their phones and that will equal less profits.
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Honestly, I'm still seeing far more complaints about the size than the price.
A lot of people were holding out hope that it would be smaller or there would be two sizes. The price was a surprise, but for better or worse, the diehard Android fans who buy Nexus devices are mostly willing to shell out the money (especially given the option for installment plans on carriers like T-Mobile). It's clear that Google doesn't want to undercut other Android handset makers anymore, with bargain basement prices and that makes sense from a business point of view. I think people get that, even if they are disappointed.
So in the end, what I'm seeing here and elsewhere is surprise by the price, but disappointment at the size far eclipsing that. People can come up with ways to put together the money, if they want the device. But there's no way to shrink it. An insolvable problem is much more frustrating than a solveable one.
Here, out of curiosity, I made a poll on the size or price question: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/general/worse-size-price-t2907144
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There's already a poll on r/android and it has quite a few responses (390 at last check). Too expensive is the top reason why people are choosing not to purchase the Nexus 6 (25%). The second highest response is too large (22%).
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1mL...lhMT4pynNPh3BY/viewanalytics?usp=form_confirm (Link to poll)
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2jdr40/meta_nexus_device_poll_for_randroid/ (Link to thread)
I'm just saying, we all knew it would be a large screen device, but I don't think anyone guessed it would be $650. That was the real surprise for me.
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So yeah.. seems like the iPhone 5 wont be announced until September.. which means SGSII will be safe for another few months.
I'm just joking.. or am i?
Iv just had so many problems with the SGSII... I just dont know what phone to get right now.. since the SII is the best out. I dont want to buy it again.
Iv never owned an apple product before.. but my brother has owned lots..
Wish they announced it so i could compare the two and see which one is the best
---- IF it is the SII then i might have to go back to it >.>... so i hope they do something good with the iphone
Fanboys gtfo thanks.
No phone is perfect but remember when you buy an iphone no flash, no flash, no flash...it's not that it's not possible to run run but apple have decided for you the user experience it just not good enough, you can't even try it for yourself and remove if you don't like it or keep it even if a half baked flash is good enough for you, nope apple have made the choice for you: no flash!
Expect to wait a while longer than september. The iphone 4 plus will be coming first with some minor improvements but no major changes.
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And you know it's not only that I dislike the apple mentality of them making the (right) choices for me I also despise apple as a company, I am a free market capitalist at heart and very seldom find companies evil but apple is one such rare company:
the way they abuse patents and trademarks (ie. steal ideas from small companies) and patent/trademark them and then sue the inventing company is truly evil.
I'm sick of my iPhone 4. I've been a hardcore blackberry user for years, and yes, while the experience wasn't as nice, it was A LOT more open than iOS. iOS has some good ideas, unifying a single format / layout, and all its apps follow the same guidelines, which makes it a good phone for people that know NOTHING about phones! A friend of mine DECIDES to pay THAT Much more for an iMac just because "it works right away, I don't need to configure anything" and Apple products are basically that... "It works without having to do anything" I personally jailbroke mine, and I still can't stand it. Apps apps apps apps! No personalization past ordering up the apps, and 2 pictures (lock screen and behind the apps).
I think Android will be safe for a very long time. They run on a different market. Not to mention, Apple sells things WAY over priced. The iPhone 4 16 gigs cost me the same RIGHT NOW as my SGSII (which should be here at ANYYYYY moment! Come on vodafone! It was shipped! GET TO MY DOOR!)
Apple makes good products for a good demographic, but you also need to understand that the majority of the population doesn't want to configure, or decide. The simpler the better. My BEST FRIEND of 15 years now has a blackberry and an iphone, still, she only texts and uses facebook. Hmmm....
Regardless, you shouldn't see it as "the SGSII is in danger or safe" as it's the family of Android phones. You don't see people saying "Oh no! The iPhone 3G is in danger! But there are 2 other models out! BUT POOR 3G!" No, who cares! more choices = better, for us!
Smartphones BEFORE the iPhone were pretty much all resistive screens, tiny ones, big and bulky. The iPhone has helped us out. The more Apple "revolutionizes" (AKA. taking something that has been there for years, making it pretty, and calling it new) the better for us!
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Smartphones BEFORE the iPhone were pretty much all resistive screens, tiny ones, big and bulky. The iPhone has helped us out. The more Apple "revolutionizes" (AKA. taking something that has been there for years, making it pretty, and calling it new) the better for us!
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Really the first multitouch capacitive touchscreen build in 1972! when apple introduced it, they meant they dug it up from a grave and reanimated it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch
The only thing i dislike about andriod phones are that there are so many with lots of different specs.. I cant just download any app and use it right away. As for iOS there is only one phone each year that uses it.. which makes it more easy to download any app you want and use it right away.
I hate downloading apps just to find out that it crashes, lags or doesnt even start up.
I like andriod OS better then iOS.. but like i said.. there are too many phones using the andriod OS.
As for Macs.. yeah.. i think they are worthless. You pay so much more money for something that is less powerful than a custom built PC.
I built my PC a few months back and i also got a 27" 2560x1440 monitor (to match up with the iMac 27" screen)
It cost like £100 more for my PC but its 100times more powerful than any iMac.
Also.. the reason why the iPhone4 is still the same price is cause apple only lowers it once a new iphone comes out. They know that people will still forke out that much cash for an iphone.. unlike samsung nokia htc etc.. they always lower the price of their phones cause they just bring out so many per year that they have to.
I really don't think iphone5 would've affected SGS2 sales that much. I'm preety sure I5 will be a good phone but not better than SGS2.
I think Samsung s2 better than any iPhone
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I think Samsung s2 better than any iPhone
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your right.. its better than any iphone.. out right now... unless you can tell the future
My personal uneducated guess would be that the iPhone 5 will be a speed bumped iPhone 4 shipped along with iOS 5.
Which in the end, still doesn't make it better than the Galaxy S2 right now.
Do you really think people cross-shop iOS and Android? Apple people follow their leaders cult-like and keep re-purchasing Apple products. For people that want easy and consistent, nothing beats an iPhone. But those same two points, especially the second one, is what make people turn away. I for one can't stand the banal conformity of Apple products and can't see myself becoming one of the Borg. To test the theory, go to an iPhone forum and post a question about iOS vs. Android. They'll skin you alive.
If you are okay with a smaller screen, having to manage music,photos,video library via iTunes (having a mac helps ) then even an iPhone 4 is a nice choice.
It has unrivaled battery life, does everything its supposed to do pretty good, has enough apps to keep you busy (if you are a heavy apps user that is) etc.
Me, I couldn't get used to a 3.5 screen after using a captivate for a week, the itunes is horrible on my windows machine, drag and drop ain't bad and the retina hype is not enough to match the super amoled awesomeness....
Its all preference, IMO try your options if you can, and settle for what is good for you. I am here today because flashing my captivate and the screen plus music playback is awesome, and battery life after modded is almost on par with iPhone 4. So all good for me.
What you like may be hated or laughed at by another, and that's life.
i wouldnt be able to live with a 3.5" screen. There have been rumors that the new iphone will have atleast 4" screen.. if not then i wont even think about buying it.
My opinion: I don't think Apple will be releasing a mind-blowing, bar-setting iPhone 5 this year.
Perhaps next year, iPhone 6 will be.
RedBlueGreen said:
i wouldnt be able to live with a 3.5" screen. There have been rumors that the new iphone will have atleast 4" screen.. if not then i wont even think about buying it.
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Please don't forget that the iPhone is a device mainly targeted for the women crowd (can't remember where I read that over 70% of iPhone users are women). As such, it can't get bigger than 3.5" screen, since their small hands couldn't handle it.
Noam23 said:
Please don't forget that the iPhone is a device mainly targeted for the women crowd (can't remember where I read that over 70% of iPhone users are women). As such, it can't get bigger than 3.5" screen, since their small hands couldn't handle it.
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Hmm...Atrix 4G spots a 4" screen but the phone itself is about the same size as the iphone
i think the OP has made a decision that he should buy IPhone simply because he is fed up with one or two annoying features of SGS2.... is that true my friend ???
just because of 1 or 2 features which u might like it better on iphone, dont make ur decision of buying an iphone 5.... because no matter what, SGS2 can beat the iphone 5 right out of the box... in addition to that, so many customizations r coming including the CM7... which is great... u never feel the same as before...
so be patient & wait for some more time... then u give us ur openion... which inturn will be favouring SGS2 i am sure....
till then enjoy the positive things about ur SGS2....
One of the reasons why I moved from the iPhone 4 to the S2 is because every 2nd person I see has an iPhone 4, it was depressing.
And the inability to change notification sounds meant that whenever I heard the notification tone play, I had to second guess if it was my phone.
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My opinion: I don't think Apple will be releasing a mind-blowing, bar-setting iPhone 5 this year.
Perhaps next year, iPhone 6 will be.
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Until Apple decide to change the way they make their iPhones, android will still be way up top.
Even when iPhone 6 comes out, the SGS3 will probably be 2x better lol.
Also, the majority of iPhone users who purchase an iPhone don't even know what android can do/is capable of and assume iPhone will always be the best phone out...
I was going to buy an iPhone but the only thing appealing about is iTunes.
Er.. So, Why did amazon bother to not add the android market, if they aren't going to block loading APKs, or actively try to prevent root?
My mom who knows nothing about android could be walked through that process...
Try asking B&N the same thing?
Amazon thought it through perfectly. They aren't selling or attempting to actually sell a mobile computing device (tablet). They are selling a next gen Kindle (PMP). Have a look at the Nook Color and the iPod Touch, then compare against a Galaxy Tab, Xoom, Thrive, iPad 2, and Transformer. See the difference?
If they wanted the Android Market, Google has strict requirements that would keep amazon from doing all the data mining they want to sell ad data to partners. If you have the Google Android Market on a device you make Google gets all the info..
I think....
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cos they just made so you buy from amazon.com they make a $10 loss on each one, they hope to gain that from selling stuff via amazon.com
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cos they just made so you buy from amazon.com they make a $10 loss on each one, they hope to gain that from selling stuff via amazon.com
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It doesn't look like they are taking much of a loss at all according to this study: http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=212876 Making a profit actually.
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Try asking B&N the same thing?
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I've been curious about the nook as well.
On the other hand, even if not a lot, I figured they were making a bit more money off of their product than amazon who is potentially using their tablet as a loss leader.
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I've been curious about the nook as well.
On the other hand, even if not a lot, I figured they were making a bit more money off of their product than amazon who is potentially using their tablet as a loss leader.
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It's all about "branding" the consumer. The earlier a company can get you to like/use their product the more likely it is you will continue to use them. The AF, by trying to restrict content and funnel only to their "approved" providers they can make dollars on volume. Apple does the same thing by getting their products into schools. Get 'em while their young! lol McDonald's does the same thing. What parent doesn't relent (often enough) to the protestations of their kid lamenting for the latest Happy Meal toy?
Downsides are galore. If a high school senior only knows Apple..they are severely limited in the marketplace (like it as not it's still a MS Business World). McDonald's? Fat kids with poor eating habits...Amazon Only Contest? One loses the richness of choice. See what I mean?
(I just might be a little cynical? lol)
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It's all about "branding" the consumer. The earlier a company can get you to like/use their product the more likely it is you will continue to use them. The AF, by trying to restrict content and funnel only to their "approved" providers they can make dollars on volume. Apple does the same thing by getting their products into schools. Get 'em while their young! lol McDonald's does the same thing. What parent doesn't relent (often enough) to the protestations of their kid lamenting for the latest Happy Meal toy?
Downsides are galore. If a high school senior only knows Apple..they are severely limited in the marketplace (like it as not it's still a MS Business World). McDonald's? Fat kids with poor eating habits...Amazon Only Contest? One loses the richness of choice. See what I mean?
(I just might be a little cynical? lol)
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You're dead on actually. This is a proven marketing method that works so well that various companies are banned from using it (tobacco, alcohol, etc). Apple's variant has been particularly successful because they didn't just get their product out to the kids. They also worked hard to convince the kids that without an Apple product, you weren't cool. Once this took hold, all Apple needed to do was continue to play upon that theme with each later device, as the "cool factor" propagates on its own, both forward and backward across generations. The older crowd by nature wants to appear to be young and hip, and the very young crowd want to appear older and cool. So, Apple wins across the board, from the elementary school almost all the way up to the retirees.
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You're dead on actually. This is a proven marketing method that works so well that various companies are banned from using it (tobacco, alcohol, etc). Apple's variant has been particularly successful because they didn't just get their product out to the kids. They also worked hard to convince the kids that without an Apple product, you weren't cool. Once this took hold, all Apple needed to do was continue to play upon that theme with each later device, as the "cool factor" propagates on its own, both forward and backward across generations. The older crowd by nature wants to appear to be young and hip, and the very young crowd want to appear older and cool. So, Apple wins across the board, from the elementary school almost all the way up to the retirees.
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The iPhone 4S is a failure in the sense that it looks like and has the same appearance as the iPhone 4. No discernable COOL factor here. Buyers will have to wear a pin "This Is The 4S"
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The iPhone 4S is a failure in the sense that it looks like and has the same appearance as the iPhone 4. No discernable COOL factor here. Buyers will have to wear a pin "This Is The 4S"
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iPhone 1G, 3G, and 3GS all looked identical as well, but that didn't stop shoppers, nor the "cool" effect brought of having an "in" product. The appearance and technical excellence have little to nothing to do with it. "I have an iPhone," on the other hand does, and that's the brilliance behind Apple's variant on the "capture the hearts and minds of the young" marketing approach.
Er. Guys.
Let me say the iphone 4s may have failed in a few ways.
1. People expected an iphone 5. Even if it would have the exact same hardware.. people wanted to hear "iphone 5". Apple failed at marketing.. which is big since it is almost more of a marketing company than anything else.
2. A lot of people *were* hoping to see changes. Being totally honest.. the iphone design is tired in a lot of ways. The 3.5" screen is small despite the iphone being almost the same size as a 4" device. The problem is if they raise the size to 4" then it is just going to look gigantic..
Apple is in a bad situation honestly. If they change it, they alienate a lot of fans.
If they don't, the design just keeps looking older and older..
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Er. Guys.
Let me say the iphone 4s may have failed in a few ways.
1. People expected an iphone 5. Even if it would have the exact same hardware.. people wanted to hear "iphone 5". Apple failed at marketing.. which is big since it is almost more of a marketing company than anything else.
2. A lot of people *were* hoping to see changes. Being totally honest.. the iphone design is tired in a lot of ways. The 3.5" screen is small despite the iphone being almost the same size as a 4" device. The problem is if they raise the size to 4" then it is just going to look gigantic..
Apple is in a bad situation honestly. If they change it, they alienate a lot of fans.
If they don't, the design just keeps looking older and older..
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Myself, and the others that I know that are technically inclined are in complete agreement with you. On the flip side, not one of my friends or customers, that use their iPhones as status symbols more than anything else, feel that way. To them, it's a new iPhone, and they want it. Sadly, that bunch easily outnumbers the technically inclined. I feel that is pretty accurate for the market as a whole as well - those that know better are the minority by a long shot.
They thought it through, but with their own concept on reality
No Google market, the low storage and no microsd slot are all by design to force a bunch of lemmings (they appear to think we all are) into their revenue cloud.
Just wait till folks get on the road with these things and find out the cloud only hovers around a wifi connection
IMO, the Flyer is the current best 7" device for price and features. Compared to the Fire:
1. 8gb more storage
2. 512mb more ram
3. The SoC per Anandtech and my own practical tests performs better with Flash, games, video and everything else in between (I also have a Droid 3, which has 512mb ram and 4430 SoC to compare in a practical manner).
4. Microsd slot
5. GPS
6. BOTH markets
7. Install from other sources
8. Camera
9. Better build
The extra $100 seems a very sound investment for most folks.
The Fire IMO is a low end, second rate iPad wannabe, with a UI and storefront model to support it. CrabApple.
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On the flip side, not one of my friends or customers, that use their iPhones as status symbols more than anything else, feel that way. To them, it's a new iPhone, and they want it.
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But it looks exactly the same as last year's model. Now in order to feel superior, they have to ask everyone holding one if they have the 4 or 4s. That's a lot of work.
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But it looks exactly the same as last year's model. Now in order to feel superior, they have to ask everyone holding one if they have the 4 or 4s. That's a lot of work.
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Who cares? The 4S is released as a mid-range device. Apple has no high-end devices now... They're failing on this release.
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But it looks exactly the same as last year's model. Now in order to feel superior, they have to ask everyone holding one if they have the 4 or 4s. That's a lot of work.
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One would think, right? Not the case. So far, I have but one iPhone lover that isn't budging on the update to the 4S, 30-40 that are getting it because it's new, and 8 that are converting from Android to iOS and are rather excited to get it.
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They thought it through, but with their own concept on reality
No Google market, the low storage and no microsd slot are all by design to force a bunch of lemmings (they appear to think we all are) into their revenue cloud.
Just wait till folks get on the road with these things and find out the cloud only hovers around a wifi connection
IMO, the Flyer is the current best 7" device for price and features. Compared to the Fire:
1. 8gb more storage
2. 512mb more ram
3. The SoC per Anandtech and my own practical tests performs better with Flash, games, video and everything else in between (I also have a Droid 3, which has 512mb ram and 4430 SoC to compare in a practical manner).
4. Microsd slot
5. GPS
6. BOTH markets
7. Install from other sources
8. Camera
9. Better build
The extra $100 seems a very sound investment for most folks.
The Fire IMO is a low end, second rate iPad wannabe, with a UI and storefront model to support it. CrabApple.
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Being totally honest, I must admit I am considering the Kindle fire, but I am waiting to see what else comes out first.
If I *only* wanted a tablet, spending 100$ more on a flyer would be ok.. But, I also have a few other things on my "christmas list" A few ps3 games (infamous2 and resistance3), a new comp case.. (obsidian 650d) and I would like a tablet so I can read manga somewhere besides at my computer screen.
So for me, it becomes an issue of practicality.. How much can I really afford to spend on a tablet in the near future?
I mean sure it *is* limited to the cloud.. however without the internet most devices become borderline useless anyway.
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Being totally honest, I must admit I am considering the Kindle fire, but I am waiting to see what else comes out first.
If I *only* wanted a tablet, spending 100$ more on a flyer would be ok.. But, I also have a few other things on my "christmas list" A few ps3 games (infamous2 and resistance3), a new comp case.. (obsidian 650d) and I would like a tablet so I can read manga somewhere besides at my computer screen.
So for me, it becomes an issue of practicality.. How much can I really afford to spend on a tablet in the near future?
I mean sure it *is* limited to the cloud.. however without the internet most devices become borderline useless anyway.
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For what you say, Snow, the AF might well be ideal for what you seek. The again, let's all keep in mind that as of right now, the AF cannot really be considered an "android tablet" but more a "dedicated e-reader running android". That is if/until it is rooted by some of the marvelous devs on XDA.
My money's on the devs. lol
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Being totally honest, I must admit I am considering the Kindle fire, but I am waiting to see what else comes out first.
If I *only* wanted a tablet, spending 100$ more on a flyer would be ok.. But, I also have a few other things on my "christmas list" A few ps3 games (infamous2 and resistance3), a new comp case.. (obsidian 650d) and I would like a tablet so I can read manga somewhere besides at my computer screen.
So for me, it becomes an issue of practicality.. How much can I really afford to spend on a tablet in the near future?
I mean sure it *is* limited to the cloud.. however without the internet most devices become borderline useless anyway.
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Depends on what you use. I have tons of games, videos and emulator roms. Use them while traveling and other area where wifi is no open or available.
This device is as limited as you could get.
As far as rooting, why? There is no space to do anything with it. Breach the Amazon cloud and the functionality is even less. Assuming inflation for my contract manufacturing days for connectors (buyer), the total cost for a sd slot port is 75 cents to add to design (components circuit bridge). This means probably $1.50 applied to sellers to maintain margin.
Could argue that is money they save, but I suggest the lack of one is FAR more costly, since it will sell well until people are savvy to no card expansion and the "forced" cloud use. They should have added the slot, but it is not there by design- they want cloud usage so they can data mine and also get revenue linked to their B class iTunes effort.
For someone not constrained on an extra $100, the Flyer is FAR better for reasons mentioned above (at least). Added: Heck, even my very non-tech wife does not want the Fire, due to no microsd slot. A key reason she also did not want an iPad either.
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Er. Guys.
Let me say the iphone 4s may have failed in a few ways.
1. People expected an iphone 5. Even if it would have the exact same hardware.. people wanted to hear "iphone 5". Apple failed at marketing.. which is big since it is almost more of a marketing company than anything else.
2. A lot of people *were* hoping to see changes. Being totally honest.. the iphone design is tired in a lot of ways. The 3.5" screen is small despite the iphone being almost the same size as a 4" device. The problem is if they raise the size to 4" then it is just going to look gigantic..
Apple is in a bad situation honestly. If they change it, they alienate a lot of fans.
If they don't, the design just keeps looking older and older..
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I have an iPod 4 64gb and like it a lot, but would not have a iPhone, since too constrained for me (ditto on an iPad). Still, the new models have the dual core and a 64gb option. Not too shabby for iPhone lovers who are media and game freaks.
The problem is the "retina display". If they increase the size, ditto on the display res. Probably too costly and not reliable enough for efficient yields from production. Cost curve for a 4" retina is probably evil (for now).
It seems the successor to our wonderful Moto X will be out by the end of the summer!
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/motorola-smartwatch-moto-x-reveal/
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It seems the successor to our wonderful Moto X will be out by the end of the summer!
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/motorola-smartwatch-moto-x-reveal/
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Whatever price it launches for I'll wait 90 days for the huge sales and price cuts to begin.
I hope it stays this size.
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Whatever price it launches for I'll wait 90 days for the huge sales and price cuts to begin.
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Me too, still is enjoying the current Moto X very much.
Yep, make it better but don't ruin it!
So excited... its coming!
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Whatever price it launches for I'll wait 90 days for the huge sales and price cuts to begin.
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This. If pricing is anything like the original X, waiting a little while to buy will pay huge dividends.
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I hope they take a bite of Samsungs pie!
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As long as they aren't like Thinkpad division where the laptop build quality keeps getting cheaper every year, I'll be interested.
I wholeheartedly agree that they must keep the phone the same size. The size of the Moto X is truly one of its best features. I don't understand why each manufacturers mainstream models keep getting bigger and bigger as if the human hand is growing in size each year. After all you can just make a larger phone or more accurately phablet phone for those that want something larger.
Every year usually these kinds of threads are the one that makes me go "DARN IT i just bought my phone..."
But strangely, not this time.
I guess I'm that happy with this phone.
If anything though, I'd like to see a bigger battery.
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I know; I can't stand how cheap the Thinkpad's cases have become.
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I like this phone as my daily driver but I would like to see a Moto X phablet, too. And if there were any way to reduce the size of the bezel on the Moto X, that would be great, too. It's pretty small now, not complaining, but if it could be even smaller, all the better.
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Maybe vertically, but not the sides, which are already too thin that my palm rest on the screen by accident and cancel out my regular touches. (And I guess Apple already have some patent on that.)
Although this is good news, I'd still be concerned about the timeliness of updates for future devices once Lenovo takes the helm.
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I wholeheartedly agree that they must keep the phone the same size. The size of the Moto X is truly one of its best features. I don't understand why each manufacturers mainstream models keep getting bigger and bigger as if the human hand is growing in size each year. After all you can just make a larger phone or more accurately phablet phone for those that want something larger.
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I honestly wouldn't mind making the screen a little bit bigger 5.0 doesn't bother. Or if they had a 5.1 version and 4.8 or whatever it is Noe but I do enjoy the size just wish the screen was a bit bigger/1080 haha
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Instead of releasing a new phone, they should keep supporting the current Moto X. We know the S4 chip is still plenty potent and I'd gladly pay a good price for a camera module I can install for increased quality. It's really the only black mark on the Moto X.
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Although this is good news, I'd still be concerned about the timeliness of updates for future devices once Lenovo takes the helm.
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That's a concern for anything but a Nexus though.
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I have zero gripes with my Moto X. This is the first smartphone that I've had nothing to complain about. I don't even see why people hate on the camera. It's at least better than everything I've had before.
I am in no rush to upgrade. I can't see anything a new phone is going to offer me unless it has some revolutionary software on it. I'm not even using all the features on the current one to their fullest.
I would like a bit bigger screen, not huge. The 4.7" seems comprable with the M7 HTC One, but of course the M7's 4.7" doesn't count buttons. I think the Moto X could add just a touch more real estate and still remain small.
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They will keep supporting it via software for another year. But this is the industry standard - release a new model each year - and Motorola is sticking to it.
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This is the part I don't get. That's probably because I don't see their money sense.
You invest new hardware and current-market pricing to release new phones and get people to buy new. You make a moderate profit. Or take this theory. You buy into hardware that's good enough, and continue to support it for say...3-5 years. You add new features, you fix bugs, you optimize the phone to its maximum potential. Throughout this time the people who like your phone and are completely satisfied with it will continue to keep their phones and not sell it back. Word of mouth sales will drive more sales knowing this phone won't go away in 1-2 years because everyone likes a good, long investment with long return-of-interest. As the tech matures, the price of fabrication for that chip goes down, and manufacturing prices go down such that you will make more profit over time while still maintain high level of demand and satisfaction. A long term investment basically.
The problem with my theory is that phones don't age well and new features like fingerprint scanners are becoming popular. Well, that's where the Moto X is different. It has the language and contextual processors, as well as the motion sensor for the camera. It has the Krait-300 based S4 processor. Best of all, computing requirements has hit a plateau such that a Snapdragon 400 will perform close to a Snapdragon 600 and 800 in real-world usage. The Moto X has the potential to be a long-lasting device because it has diversified tech that will stand out for years to come, versus being caught in the R&D Race for the never-ending spec wars. Do what Apple does with the iPhone 4, but do it better than them.
The only ONLY black mark against the Moto X is the camera quality. If there's a way to resolve that, as well as consistently bringing down price through long-term investments/support and maintaining their market presence through advertising and good-faith consumers: there won't be a need to rush out for another Motorola device any near future because demand for the current device (soon to be past device) will show there's no need to reinvent the wheel when the current one is a huge cash cow.
One important thing to remember about the updates lifespan is that 99.5 percent of customers know nothing of rooting and stuff, don't know or care what android version their phone is, don't even know what kit kat or jelly bean mean as far as their phone goes and don't care about updates or when the next is.........if the phone works they're happy.
So us here looking at it from our point of view does not reflect the massive majority of their customers.
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He makes some valid points, especially on the price. In summary, he argues that the price isn't outrageous for a number of reasons:
- The specs of this phone are insane and can justify a higher price tag
- The premium build on this phone is unlike any of the previous Nexus devices
- Companies such as Apple and Samsung sell phones that are even more expensive. Nexus 6 is actually a bit cheaper than it's competitors.
- The Nexus 6 is Google's step on becoming mainstream and more premium feeling Stock Android experience
What do you guys think?
All this is true. I think main reason people are pissed is because this is like a complete switch over tight. Go from 4" phones that are 350 to 6" phones that are 1.2x the previous price with no in between ya know? Such as a smaller device with slim down spec and cheaper price. It is true that compare to others it is cheap...but let not forget, lg g3 is cheaper and it gives us just about everything the n6 (32gb) offers (almost) so google really had no excuse
Yeah, I can understand that. Big changes aren't always welcome.
The LG G3 is a great phone but the Nexus 6 has (slightly) newer specs. Of course, this probably won't be noticable at all.
Also, the Nexus 6 has a better design in my opinion even if I loved the G3's design.
Google is just trying something new.
The jump from the Galaxy Nexus to the N4 was just as precipitous, just in the opposite direction. IIRC, the GN was something like $600 when it was released. The VZW on-contract price was $300. It was not cheap at all.
I personally don't care for the price, its not an issue with me because of my career. And honestly, come on, people expected to get such specs and fast charging at 400? lol...come on yall...let be real here. Our economy is inflated that means so will nexus devices
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I personally don't care for the price, its not an issue with me because of my career. And honestly, come on, people expected to get such specs and fast charging at 400? lol...come on yall...let be real here. Our economy is inflated that means so will nexus devices
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Just saying, the fast charging isn't something that costs a lot to implement. Its been there since the LG G2 even the nexus 5 has the hardware but it hasn't been activated for use. Even the new moto x has turbo charging, its part of the 800,801,805 chips.
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I personally don't care for the price, its not an issue with me because of my career. And honestly, come on, people expected to get such specs and fast charging at 400? lol...come on yall...let be real here. Our economy is inflated that means so will nexus devices
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I think it just has become an expectation from the Nexus series since the N4 started the whole price reduction thing. Just like No SD Card Support or Removable Battery once something adheres from one generation to the next people assume it will remain that way for Nexus.
As for me, it cannot come out soon enough!
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Dear All,
Yes, the price of the device is not Nexus 5 territory anymore. Google listened to your requests:
1. Larger battery -> Complied.
2. Better speakers. ->Complied.
3. Android 5.0 -> Complied.
4. More screen on time -> Complied.
5. Premium feel -> Complied.
What more can you ask from Google. They met our requests but also added a new direction that they feel will be of best interests for their business model. They are clearly moving towards more mainstream this time as 4 carriers will carry the phone right from the start. Samsung can't have all the fun with the phablet segment so Google and Apple wants a piece of the pie. Apple won't argue with money since Samsung took so many sales from them with the Note series. Google did leave us Nexus owners a bad taste in our mouth since we were use to the bargain price for a well rounded phone. Now, they want to move in another direction. They did keep the N5 active for people waiting for the N6 if they are thinking of upgrading from N4 or other devices. The N5 is the answer if you want a more "one hand friendly" phone and the N5 is a great phone. With the Lollipop soon to be on the phone, it will even get better with battery life and the overall experience.
Finally, if the N6 is right for you... hand over $649 / $699 to Google and enjoy your monster N6. If the N6 doesn't float your boat, the N5 is a great phone (current owner of N5 too) to fill your needs or wait till early spring/summer 2015 for 64-bit flagships to appear in a smaller footprint.
I think I will get Nexus on Verizon. And try it for a year if I don't like it, more 64 bit phones will be out which will present more options. I'm betting that the nexus will have better support a year or two when comparing it to Touchwiz.
My note 2 is starting to feel a bit slow.
Ill admit. I was floored when I saw the price but when you think about it, its not overpriced at all. Im pretty much sold on picking one up and upgrading from my N4. Only thing that would deter me is if reviews are utterly terrible, and something tells me thats not happening
I honestly don't believe they are canning the n5... Kind of like apple having the 6 and 6+
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He makes some valid points, especially on the price. In summary, he argues that the price isn't outrageous for a number of reasons:
- The specs of this phone are insane and can justify a higher price tag
- The premium build on this phone is unlike any of the previous Nexus devices
- Companies such as Apple and Samsung sell phones that are even more expensive. Nexus 6 is actually a bit cheaper than it's competitors.
- The Nexus 6 is Google's step on becoming mainstream and more premium feeling Stock Android experience
What do you guys think?
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I think it's a tablet. I think that Google and other companies are forgetting that these are phones. It's a ridiculously big phone, and I doubt it's not going to go mainstream. Phone makers need to remember these are portable devices, they keep getting bigger and bigger and are officially in tablet territory now.
Price was never the issue for me. For once it has quite good specs without skimping on stuff but the phone itself is MASSIVE. If I buy one I'll have to buy new clothes.
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I think it's a tablet. I think that Google and other companies are forgetting that these are phones. It's a ridiculously big phone, and I doubt it's not going to go mainstream. Phone makers need to remember these are portable devices, they keep getting bigger and bigger and are officially in tablet territory now.
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I think you're forgetting that every year people complain that phones are getting too big, and yet people continue to buy them happily. Even Apple has seen enough evidence to release Android-sized phones so you know it's obvious if they're changing their plan, stubborn as they are. As mentioned in the video, the Nexus 6 is the same height as the iPhone 6 plus and doesn't appear to be much larger than the Note 4...so don't let the screen-size alone determine your beliefs.
Do you think for one second that if Google is able to achieve sales similar to those of the Samsung Note series that they'll be disappointed? Clearly there is a market for this size phone and it's continuing to grow as people realize bigger is better with phones, despite the drawbacks. That's not to say it's for everyone, so you can continue to choose from one of the many options available at a size/price you prefer.
I wonder what the on contract price will be
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i think considering the s10 x64 processors will be out and be a standard in the s6 and m9 ..etc the n6 isn't worth the price tag.
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djkinetic said:
I honestly don't believe they are canning the n5... Kind of like apple having the 6 and 6+
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well obviously the rumor of them revamping it with higher specs were wrong.
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I think you're forgetting that every year people complain that phones are getting too big, and yet people continue to buy them happily. Even Apple has seen enough evidence to release Android-sized phones so you know it's obvious if they're changing their plan, stubborn as they are. As mentioned in the video, the Nexus 6 is the same height as the iPhone 6 plus and doesn't appear to be much larger than the Note 4...so don't let the screen-size alone determine your beliefs.
Do you think for one second that if Google is able to achieve sales similar to those of the Samsung Note series that they'll be disappointed? Clearly there is a market for this size phone and it's continuing to grow as people realize bigger is better with phones, despite the drawbacks. That's not to say it's for everyone, so you can continue to choose from one of the many options available at a size/price you prefer.
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Google is never going to encroach on Samsung. Ever. It's futile to try and Nexus devices have never sold well. Bigger is better, until you pass 5.5" or so. When does it stop? 7" phone? 7.5" phone screen? How big do people really need their phone? I can be equally productive on a nexus 5 as I can a nexus 6. Period.
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Price was never the issue for me. For once it has quite good specs without skimping on stuff but the phone itself is MASSIVE. If I buy one I'll have to buy new clothes.
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I've seen this argument quite a few times now, where exactly did previous Nexus phones "skimp". It seems to be something people are using to justify the high price despite for the past two years everyone saying the nexus was a high end phone for half the price...
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i think considering the s10 x64 processors will be out and be a standard in the s6 and m9 ..etc the n6 isn't worth the price tag.
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I think by the time 64 bit actually matters in phones I will have moved on to the next Nexus, so it's not an issue for me. Like most tech people (I think), I'm not the type of person who keeps the same phone for more than a year or two max.
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Google is never going to encroach on Samsung. Ever. It's futile to try and Nexus devices have never sold well. Bigger is better, until you pass 5.5" or so. When does it stop? 7" phone? 7.5" phone screen? How big do people really need their phone? I can be equally productive on a nexus 5 as I can a nexus 6. Period.
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Google will certainly make a dent considering they are selling this Nexus via all US carriers for the first time...so it doesn't really matter what they did in the past, this is a new era. They definitely won't make a huge dent, but it has a chance to be meaningful.
How can you possibly argue that "bigger is better until you pass 5.5" or so". That's not some magical number that has any real meaning...it's simply your brain deciding that you've had enough, despite the fact that you've never used the Nexus 6. A million people said the same thing when phones moved to 4.7"...then they said it again at 5.0"...then they said it again at 5.2"...they said it about the Note when it came out...and now they're saying the same thing about the Nexus 6...they've been wrong every single time and I see no reason to believe that suddenly this is it.
I think we're probably pushing the limit of how big you want a smartphone, but that's EXACTLY what I want to happen. I want the biggest damn phone that isn't "too big". We won't know what "too big" is until we get there, but I don't believe the Note 4 was too big and we know that the Nexus 6 is not that much bigger..much of the half inch screen size difference is made up for by smaller bezels, which is also something I want to see continue to happen.
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I think by the time 64 bit actually matters in phones I will have moved on to the next Nexus, so it's not an issue for me. Like most tech people (I think), I'm not the type of person who keeps the same phone for more than a year or two max.
Google will certainly make a dent considering they are selling this Nexus via all US carriers for the first time...so it doesn't really matter what they did in the past, this is a new era. They definitely won't make a huge dent, but it has a chance to be meaningful.
How can you possibly argue that "bigger is better until you pass 5.5" or so". That's not some magical number that has any real meaning...it's simply your brain deciding that you've had enough, despite the fact that you've never used the Nexus 6. A million people said the same thing when phones moved to 4.7"...then they said it again at 5.0"...then they said it again at 5.2"...they said it about the Note when it came out...and now they're saying the same thing about the Nexus 6...they've been wrong every single time and I see no reason to believe that suddenly this is it.
I think we're probably pushing the limit of how big you want a smartphone, but that's EXACTLY what I want to happen. I want the biggest damn phone that isn't "too big". We won't know what "too big" is until we get there, but I don't believe the Note 4 was too big and we know that the Nexus 6 is not that much bigger..much of the half inch screen size difference is made up for by smaller bezels, which is also something I want to see continue to happen.
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Ridiculous. Here's a nice little study you can do at home. Go pick up your Nexus 7 and hold it to your face, or try and put it in your pocket. Think about carrying that thing with you all day long as a phone. There are plenty of examples of what "too big" is, we're there now. You may want your tablet to be a phone, but most professionals need something portable, and easy to carry, that isn't going to require being kept in a backpack. 5.5" phones like the LG G3 are actually still small enough to be considered a phone, I've held the iPhone 6+, trust me, we're there, phones are now too big.
As some of you guys know, OnePlus is having their pre-order event in les than a week. Granted, it's only going to last AN HOUR (LOL!) and it's pre-orders on a phone that's been out for several months. Anyways, as odd as this sounds, I feel like the OnePlus One is the Nexus 6's biggest competitor. Why? There are a few reasons that I have in mind:
- OPO has tried to compete with the Nexus 5 for the "cheap but amazing specs" department.
- OPO still offers great specs, that aren't too outdated, for a mind boggling price.
Some of the cons?
- OnePlus is still doing invites and their "pre-orders" only last for an hour on a specific day. Yeah..
- OnePlus still has horrible customer service and their phone (hardware and software) is riddled with problems and bugs.
- Did I mention you still can't buy the phone directly from OnePlus?
No need to go over the pros of the Nexus 6. Everyone here knows them at this point.
Which one are you guys leaning more towards? Why?
You're gonna get skewed results by posting in an N6 forum.
I bought a OPO immediately after hearing of the N6 price. I don't mind 6" screen and the band support is fantastic -- all in all it's a better phone, but is it worth $700 for 64GiB, twice the price of an OPO 64GiB?
For me, that's a no. I also really enjoy the look and feel of the OPO, and peeking at CM's code for it, they develop very, very actively - the phone so far has gotten more updates than the GN, N4, or N5 have, including new features like Partial Screen Update.
That said the OPO will definitely have more bugs than the N6, but I'm confident they will be resolved and I can deal with those that crop up.
If not, I'll sell it, hopefully at profit (an RMA device perhaps), and save for an N6.
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Sorry, is this a repost?
Device comparison threads are not allowed.
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There are several threads that are similar in this section, such as the Nexus 6 vs Galaxy Note 4 thread. I don't see the problem.
Also, I don't see where it states that in the forum rules?
Rules are here:
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We'll see what ghost says don't quote me.
It's possible to say that the OPO is the spiritual successor to the N5. High-end, but not the highest-end specs, at a very mainstream price, unlocked. With the new change of the direction of the Nexus program, I'm sure the OPO will gain more popularity than it would otherwise, especially for those were expecting an N6 in the vein of an N5. When the OPO was announced, I was greatly optimistic, being a serial phone jumper, and affordable unlocked devices were always welcomed.
Having said that, the OPO has been out for a while so their foibles are widely evident. Their marketing approach is often questionable, and it does appear that the OPO does suffer from a higher rate of faults than flagships do. Whether this is to be expected from the low price is another discussion altogether. Source: I had an OPO, which I used extensively for a month then returned for a refund for the infamous yellow tinge. During that time, apart from the yellowing, I found the device to be quite good, exceeding my expectations in just about every way. If it didn't have a OnePlus badge on the back, but a major OEM, I wouldn't have been surprised.
Would I still recommend it? Absolutely, especially for those who like to tweak, namely the same people who traditionally bought Nexuses. The battery life was incredible and a breath of fresh air from my N5. There were an abundance of ROMs and kernels available, and no issues with hardware compatibility. The 3rd-party community is bustling. You can see where my 'spiritual successor to the N5' comment comes from.
I'd go as far to say as saying that for most people, the OPO will do perfectly fine. They even share the same camera sensor. For many, the performance difference will be negligible, as will the pixel density. But the OPO is not readily accessible. The heavy carrier subsidies, the brand name, the larger scale production, the heavy marketing push are all reasons why the N6 will steamroll the OPO.
Which is a bit sad, because the OPO, even though it's a pricing anomaly in the market, an experiment on Oppo's part, may cease to exist at that price with the OnePlus Two. It does alot of things exceptionally well and for many, permanently changed expectations.
As for the N6, we'll have to wait and see what the reviews and early adopters say. I'm tentative because on paper it seems exceptional, but closer reading into the finer details, the company structure/takeover/manufacturing, the very early usage reports, point towards some glaring shortcomings being revealed.
No reason to get an opo unless you can't afford a Nexus 6. It's objectively inferior to the Nexus 6 in terms of specs and the rest is subjective your opinion vs mine.
I was never interested in the one+one. After years of crappy OEM Android phones, it Nexus or nothing for me from the N5 on.
You can't compare them. One is not out in the wild yet, both have a very awesome set of specs on paper, and when you see those specs, and the one plus's price, it would seem to be a no brainer.... Until you get the one plus and start using it. Its not daily driver ready.
Can't say whether the nexus 6 will be yet either, but I certainly have some high hopes for it
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dannstarr said:
You can't compare them. One is not out in the wild yet, both have a very awesome set of specs on paper, and when you see those specs, and the one plus's price, it would seem to be a no brainer.... Until you get the one plus and start using it. Its not daily driver ready.
Can't say whether the nexus 6 will be yet either, but I certainly have some high hopes for it
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Why wouldn't the Nexus 6 be daily driver ready? I have never purchased a phone, especially a Nexus, that has stock software that wasn't daily driver ready. Honestly, I find it sad that you can say that about the One+.
I own one and luckily it's been perfect without the yellow banding screen or the touchscreen bug. It stayed on for 21 straight days once without a single issue but I got antzy and rebooted it out of habit.
But in the looks departments, it definitely does not scream premium like the M8, or Z series. And I wish they would have sold the 64gb in white!
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I had the OPO and sold it after 3 days. The specs are nice and the battery life was phenomenal but that's about all it had going for it. The build quality was questionable at best, call quality was among the worst I've experienced in a long time, the screen is a crapshoot (good luck getting one without the yellow band), the software is incredibly buggy, it gets almost too hot to touch when gaming, their customer service is the absolute worst in the industry, and it just doesn't feel like the "flagship killer" they tout it to be. That last one is hard to explain because of how subjective it is, but when you hold it in your hand it doesn't feel like a flagship device, it feels like a cheap-o smartphone that is pretending to be high end. There's a lot more that goes into a smartphone than the SOC and RAM, and I imagine they cut as many corners as they could to get that price point. And I keep saying it and I'll say it again- the OPO is not worth a penny more than what they are charging for it. The N6 is going to be AMAZING, I mean nexus + motorola so there is no chance of it not being great, and it'll be worth every penny, regardless of all the babies whining about it being overpriced. There is no question in my mind- if you can afford it, the N6 is the clear winner here.
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If you can afford it, Nexus 6.
I wouldn't touch a OnePlus One for many reasons.
I have a OnePlus One and am extremely happy with it. The invite system was stupid but the phone is solid. I also have a Moto X 2013; great phone! I'll be getting a Nexus 6 as well. I think for the price the OPO is still the best phone to have IF you don't have to deal with any customer support and you want a off-contract phone.
BBlax said:
No reason to get an opo unless you can't afford a Nexus 6. It's objectively inferior to the Nexus 6 in terms of specs and the rest is subjective your opinion vs mine.
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And for all the people who can afford a Nexus 6 but feel it's not $350 better than a same-storage OPO?
There are just a lot of other things I'd rather spend $350 on, even if just more fun gadgets.
Considering I've had at least one hardware issue on each of my past nexus phones, I'd go with Nexus for the better customer support. Easy exchange. Too many horror stories on the oneplus one forums about claiming warranty issues.
Ranguvar said:
And for all the people who can afford a Nexus 6 but feel it's not $350 better than a same-storage OPO?
There are just a lot of other things I'd rather spend $350 on, even if just more fun gadgets.
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Whatever makes you happy.