I've seen a ton of Android users bashing "iSheep" over the years for their undying loyalty and "sheepism" (if there is such a word) for the way that they foam at the mouth for every new Apple product that gets released. It seems that no matter what the reviews or competing products show them, they run out and buy that new iProduct as soon as it hits the shelves.
I've started to wonder if us Nexus fans aren't exactly the same.. here we have a brand new Nexus 4 coming out, and let's be honest most of the reviews are not on the positive side. I've seen the numerous justifications about how the test phones weren't running the most "optimized" software, how the reviewer(s) were Apple fan boys, how the final product won't be anything like the test phones..
However, when I started recounting my experiences with the Nexus brand, I have to say I think we are putting our blinders on due to the excitement of having a new Nexus with decent specs. Case point:
When I decided to buy the Galaxy Nexus I was extremely excited to finally get my hands on the "Pure Android Experience". Coming from the Galaxy SII, I had some high expectations of what I top notch smart phone should be - but I also had high hopes given the Gnex specs. When the day my Gnex arrived, I couldn't get the box open fast enough! Then low and behold - the phone was DOA. Wouldn't even power on, nothing. No long press, multiple press, extended charging, nada. Quickly called Google and was sent a replacement two days later.
When the replacement arrived, it powered up just fine (thank God..) and I began getting it all set up. Almost immediately I noticed it didn't seem as responsive as my Galaxy SII. The touch screen lacked the sensitivity of the SII, but I thought to myself, I can deal with that - hey, it's a Nexus! The colors seems a bit off to me, but I thought "it's probably just the auto-brightness". It was only after setting the phone up completely that I noticed the urine-colored whites and the muted colors. I thought to myself, "well, everyone says the Galaxy SII is over saturated anyway.." although I wasn't too convinced. It just didn't seem to have the "WOW" factor the SII had. Still, I carried on - after all.. it's a Nexus!
Three weeks later and I'm starting to get pissy about the Gnex. Reception just wasn't as good, seemed to run things slightly slower than my SII, DL speeds were slower than my SII, the touch screen responsiveness (or lack thereof) had simply become annoying. That coupled with the so-so screen quality and everything started to get to me. Dissatisfaction was growing at this point..
Finally I couldn't take it anymore. Sold my Gnex on XDA for $350 shipped and guess what? The very next day it drops to $350 in the Play Store. Felt really bad for the guy who bought mine, but since I keep my phones pristine I'm sure he was OK with it. Plus he saved tax + shipping.
So I immediately went out and bought the Galaxy SIII on release day. OH. MY. GOD. I had my phone back. It was like the SII only bigger. Better. Faster. Touch screen responsiveness and screen was simply amazing. Everything flew on this phone, no matter what I threw at it. Fell in love with Android all over again.
Three weeks ago I went and bought the Nexus 7. I thought, surely the reports of the QC issues are slightly exaggerated since XDA is such a small portion of the consumer population.. they're just a little more anal, a little more OCD about their devices (at least this is what I am reading by the members aggressively defending the Nexus 7). I'm sure it will be fine!
My first Nexus 7 has such bad light bleed I immediately returned it. Bad luck, I thought. I'm sure this isn't the norm. After all, I didn't have any screen lift.. right? My 2nd Nexus 7 - Ahh, perfection. No light bleed, no screen lift, everything looks great. Well, except for the slightly washed out colors and over saturated whites. But hey, it's LCD so what do I expect right? Besides... it's a Nexus!
Sure enough, here I am three weeks later, and the same light bleed in the lower left corner has manifested, along with a slight screen lift on the upper left hand side. I haven't removed the back to check for missing screws yet, but I am sure I will find it is the same as others have reported.. I won't be returning this one as I have decided to live with it even though it aggravates me every time I see it.
So here I am at the impasse.. I have the Galaxy SIII, which is what I consider the best phone on the market (besides perhaps the Note 2) running CM10 Jellybean 4.1.2 flawlessly.. and yet the Nexus name is calling to me again.
WHY IN THE WORLD should I expect things to be different this time? Why would I choose to ignore the reviews and believe other Nexus fan boys who say it's the "test phones" and software that is "not optimized", and that it's not the "final product"?
There's only ONE reason I can think of. Because I am a God damn Google fanatic that keeps ignoring reality in the hopes that everyone is wrong and this will be the best Android phone ever. But we all know that it won't... don't we?
I'm giving Google one last chance to impress the hell outta me. After this, if things turn out like they have in the past, I'm sorry to say it but... I will be a Samsung fan from now on. Yes, they did make the Gnex.. and it was inferior.. but honestly it's probably because they were putting everything into their Galaxy S line to steal the show, which IMO they have done quite successfully.
Don't let me down Google. Make me a Nexus believer again.
Anyone agree with me?
TL;DR, lol.
Nexus 4 will be made by Samsung. Should've called it the SGS4.
I disagree.
SGS2 owner.
locsplitter said:
Nexus 4 will be made by Samsung. Should've called it the SGS4.
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Uh... OK.
The Nexus 4 is made by LG. Not Samsung.
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TL;DR, lol.
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This.
Some things can't be properly conveyed in a short paragraph.
Not that I expected any actual responses in a Nexus forum.
I'm not saying that I'm not all in on the Nexus 4.. just saying I don't hold high hopes that it will be everything Google claims..
I read it and here's my take on the Nexus 4.
I may not be as technical as most people on XDA, but I try to read up as much as I can. I think what makes MOST (not all) Android users different from MOST (not all) iPhone users is that we actually take the time to research a product before be buy it. They buy their products because it says "Apple" on the box. We have countless different devices to choose from. We HAVE to do the research before we buy. This isn't just about buying a Nexus, this is about buying a new Android phone and having to choose between what's currently on the market.
For me, I'm over my current phone (T-Mobile G2x) and want to get a new one, but I'm still on contract. I don't make enough money to drop $600+ on a new phone. Hell, even if I did make enough money, I wouldn't be comfortable dropping that much money on a phone. Buying a phone from Google means I can buy a nice phone at an affordable price without forcing me to extend a contract that I never wanted to be on in the first place (I originally only switched from Virgin Mobile to T-Mobile because I wanted a better phone at a decent price and signing a contract used to be the only way to do that). My original plan was actually to buy the Galaxy Nexus to hold me over until my upgrade was available and then, from there, decide if I wanted to stick with Android or try out Windows Phone 8.
Then the Nexus 4 was announced and for the same exact price as the Galaxy Nexus. It's a better phone, at a better price.
Like I said, I may not be as technical as the rest of you, but what I see is a phone that is equivalent to each heavy hitter currently on the market (Galaxy SIII, One X, iPhone 5, the various upcoming offerings from Windows Phone 8). The only difference is that this phone is half the price of all of those. That's what I see when I look at the Nexus 4. I see an affordable upgrade for my current phone that is cheaper to every other comparable phone on the market and that's why I'm going to buy it (after consumer reviews of course, but it's almost certain that I will be ordering this phone before the month is over).
Now, the thing I do not understand is why people with the above mentioned phones would seriously consider this. Yes, it's a Nexus. Yes, it will get updates faster. But why should that all matter? All of us here on XDA are probably running rooted phones and we've all probably flashed multiple ROMs. My G2x is currently running Jellybean 4.1. It may not be 4.2, but I'm sure a clever dev will make it happen at some point. If not my phone, all of the above mentioned phones (minus the iPhone and Windows Phone 8 obviously) will get it at some point. Our vanilla Android experience isn't going to be vanilla for too long out of the box.
Maybe it's because I'm not made of money, but I wouldn't be able to justify dropping another $350 if I already had a $600+ phone. I don't buy into brands (part of the reason why I refuse to use Apple products). I'm happy to be a future owner of a Nexus phone, but I'm not buying it because it's Nexus (although that is nice). I'm buying it because it's cheap and, to my untrained eyes, more or less equal to the best phones on the market.
To each their own. To me, Nexus 4. All there is to it
I agree. I am buying the nexus 4 strictly for these reasons:
1) I need a new phone, currently using Samsung captivate on aokp jb milestone 1.
2) don't want to spend an arm and a leg for a new phone
3) want a phone that will be supported with software updates immediately
4) Want a phone that has great specs so that it can support future software updates down the road
I am not expecting this phone to be a savior. As the old saying goes, if it seems too good to be true it usually is. To buy the most powerful "best" phone and only pay 359$ for it brand new? That seems too good to be true IMO. I just need a huge upgrade from my captivate and the nexus is more than that.
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The Nexus 4 is made by LG. Not Samsung.
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Not according to this retailer. http://www.popularelect.com/LG-Nexus-4-Unlocked-Smartphone-p/Nexus4.htm?gclid=CKm_ksGpu7MCFcaDQgodClkAow
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I can see your point though I don't agree with some of your reasoning. At times there are levels of excitement that are disproportionate to reality, but I don't think this is representative of the majority of users.
As for the "negative reviews" take a look at the screenshots that show kernel and baseband versions - on at least three of the sites they are different versions. It is highly likely that software improvements will address these issues. The fact that many of the reviews did not make note that the software on their review device is a pre-release version is either disingenuous or ignorant. Making note of this as a consumer does not denote fanboyism.
All products will have build quality issues, this is just how things are. I returned my first Galaxy S2 because of problems with the screen and my first Nexus 7 as well. I know people who have had problems with iPhones and other Android devices which required RMA. Does that mean that an LG product will now have flaws because it has Google branding on it? Hardly. There probably will be issues and we'll hear all the whining and moaning, we wait and see.
tl;dr - it's just a phone, people need to chill the **** out. Only time will tell if it's a great phone or not.
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I can see your point though I don't agree with some of your reasoning. At times there are levels of excitement that are disproportionate to reality, but I don't think this is representative of the majority of users.
As for the "negative reviews" take a look at the screenshots that show kernel and baseband versions - on at least three of the sites they are different versions. It is highly likely that software improvements will address these issues. The fact that many of the reviews did not make note that the software on their review device is a pre-release version is either disingenuous or ignorant. Making note of this as a consumer does not denote fanboyism.
All products will have build quality issues, this is just how things are. I returned my first Galaxy S2 because of problems with the screen and my first Nexus 7 as well. I know people who have had problems with iPhones and other Android devices which required RMA. Does that mean that an LG product will now have flaws because it has Google branding on it? Hardly. There probably will be issues and we'll hear all the whining and moaning, we wait and see.
tl;dr - it's just a phone, people need to chill the **** out. Only time will tell if it's a great phone or not.
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Why, when other phones are reviewed, are they not on some sort of "pre-release" software?
I don't remember reading reviews of other high end Android phones and seeing people say they were "misleading" or that the "software wasn't optimized"
I mean c'mon, all of the sudden reviews are completely bogus and software isn't up to par?
I don't care of they were running GB, the phone either flies or it doesn't.
OP, I'm really glad you made this thread. I've never had a Nexus and I also am over my current device (myTouch 4G) and chomping at the bit to get a new one. I had no idea there were that many problems with either the gnex or the N7. This worries me. I have some thinking to do...
Also, have a thanks.
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Why, when other phones are reviewed, are they not on some sort of "pre-release" software?
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If the software is not released or finished, then they are by definition running 'pre-release' software.
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I don't remember reading reviews of other high end Android phones and seeing people say they were "misleading" or that the "software wasn't optimized"
I mean c'mon, all of the sudden reviews are completely bogus and software isn't up to par?
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I never said the reviews were completely bogus, in fact I mentioned how it was obvious that there was different software on at least three review devices and that It is highly likely that software improvements will address the issues. Note - I am acknowledging that there are issues
Again, it's just a phone. If you are concerned it wont meet your expectations wait until it's been out for a while to see what happens; some people will love it, others will call it a flop.
Other top phones (SIII, etc.) aren't reviewed with pre-release software because they use an established version of Android, aka SIII shipping with ICS, whereas the Nexus 4 is shipping with a brand new version of Android, 4.2, which has not been as widely tested and established, and which Google is probably still working on. If 4.2 were completely ready today, the Nexus 4 would probably be released today, rather than the 13th.
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To me it is a matter of price. I'm stuck with Xperia mini, and I want to upgrade. At the same time the Nexus 4 is released, and it is insanely cheap, at least from foreign countries like Germany (which use the same power plug as Sweden). The price is what makes this phone so very interesting, if it weren't for that there would have been a lot of other phones in question. In Sweden the Nexus 4 isn't something out of the ordinary, when you can buy a Galaxy S3 for about the same price. But if I import this phone from Germany, I save about 150 euros, that is why I'm very interested.
The fact that it is a Nexus is positive, but not the main factor. I've read some bad reviews, but for this price, it isn't a dealbreaker. The same criticism at swedish prices would be a dealbreaker however.
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rodstrom
I need a new phone, I have always preferred vanilla android, and I've had two nexus phones before my current non-nexus phone.
I am ready to be back on a nexus phone, between the quick updates, and being free from a contract, the nexus 4 is extremely enticing, AND at an amazing pricepoint.
I agree with the OP on many counts. Even though I myself have had no problems with my GNex and felt that it was THE most beautiful phone I have owned (maybe second to the LG Prada), the whites were jaundiced and sickly looking. And even though kernels like Trinity fixed it to a certain extent, Google needs to realize one thing - the phone needs to be working without problems out of the box. I think what is happening is an over dependency on devs and a complacency thinking that people will overlook glitches in nexus devices because, hey! after all this is android. The devs can fix everything, right?!
A trend I am seeing with the N4 is that no matter what the issue is, many people go, 'well its just 350, so its ok'! No its not! Its not like we asked Google to make an inexpensive device, so they were compelled and thus had to resort to faulty and low quality hardware to cut costs. The price was their decision. I as a consumer want my phone problem free - $350 or $650
That said, I hope as much as the next guy that the problems so far are indeed related to pre-release firmwares and kernels. But then, it was absolutely ridiculous and insane of Google to send those devices for review. Might as well have no reviews than have tons of negative ones. Sure, people here on XDA are 'techy' enough to know that the test firmware is not final and most of the issues might be wrinkled out by release date. But a common man sees the review and goes 'oh crap! i don't want a headache, lemme just get something that everyone says works i.e. iPhone'.
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I am a current n1 owner rooted and all that good stuff, but usually before i purchase something I look it up online and see what the deal is.
I checked out the specs it looks pretty nice(just as good as evo4g droidx desirehd)
Yeah each phone has its pros and cons, but the nexus s is ****ing SICK I was in both verizon and sprint stores yesterday and checked out the samsung phones, for they all use the same screen and the quality of the devices are amazing. Yeah there lightweight and not made of a metallic material but no1 says the that about exotic cars being light weight either haha idk bad analogy maybe.
Nexus S is really nice tbh coming from a nexus 1 owner who is severely disappointed with the plain display and HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLE touch screen nexus S rocks nexus ones socks off.
Still disappointed about the video recording situation and i understand its a software issue instead of hardware which makes me very happy so no worries on that front.
Also I use my nexus one with the stock SD card which is only 4 gigs and I think that is plenty enough for me and i only fill it up from nandroid backups haha idk this is just my view on things and for those who are uncertain about buying a nexus s. Def going to bestbuy tommorow to buy me one of these then ima buy a oem housing for my n1 and new battery and give it to my brother (his first android phone) he will def love it just as much as i did.
But the matter of the fact is that i dont see why people say its a let down when google obviously knew what the phone would be they said they worked with every department of samsungs engineer team to make the phone so these specs are going to be as up to date as the nexus one was and still is.
These dual core phones although are probably going to be ****ing epic and stuff, but like honestly what are we all going to use these dual cores for? saving battery would probably be the biggest pro but like dual cores processors wtf are we gonna do play some pc games or render movies? idk thats just me !
what you guys think?
*see any of the dozen other threads about this*
Lately, as people settle down and get to know their Nexus S, the issues are starting to revolve around Gingerbread 2.3. It is chalk full of glitches and issues (random ringtone changes, difficulty in moving icons, some screen scrolling issues, and a slew of others...) which seems to be shared by many owners.
Google has their work cut out for them in future updates.
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Lately, as people settle down and get to know their Nexus S, the issues are starting to revolve around Gingerbread 2.3. It is chalk full of glitches and issues (random ringtone changes, difficulty in moving icons, some screen scrolling issues, and a slew of others...) which seems to be shared by many owners.
Google has their work cut out for them in future updates.
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but judging how fast they pushed out 2.3.1 they are up for the job
It's because everyone is brain washed by the terms Steve Jobs uses a lot. "Revolutionary" and "Magical."
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but judging how fast they pushed out 2.3.1 they are up for the job
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Not really, the .1 update is just the changes from finalizing AOSP approvals.
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It's because everyone is brain washed by the terms Steve Jobs uses a lot. "Revolutionary" and "Magical."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZS8HqOGTbA&feature=related
You should get a great laugh out of that DKYang
That's because people that love their nexus s and haven't had any issues with it aren't starting threads praising how good it is because they are too busy playing with the phone =D
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As an admitted Apple fan who's had an iPhone from V1, up to the iPhone 4, and;
As a guy who's tried Android - Droid X, Samsung Fascinate,
The Nexus S is the best Android phone I've ever used. There are things I still love about the iPhone 4: retina display, build quality (use of metal, scratch-resistant front and rear, amazing battery life), fantastic app selection and peripheral choices galore.
That said, I am really enjoying the Nexus S. The design aesthetic is equal to the latest iPhone in my opinion - the all-black face, the lack of logos on the front face, the curved glass (which looks great and feels great). Gingerbread is more aesthetically pleasing than previous Android versions. The customizability inherent in Android is nice. The app store/marketplace is getting better although there are still glaring omissions vs. the iPhone store (CNN news, for example).
Hardware-wise, I greatly prefer the Nexus S to the Droid X or Samsung Fascinate (Verizon). Better aesthetic, better feel when held in hand or by the face. I wish Samsung had made the back cover out of higher-quality, less scratch-prone materials. Software-wise, it's totally worth it to get faster major updates from Google than to wait for the carrier and device OEM to get their build out. Also, the lack of carrier crapware is much, much better for the consumer.
I'd like Android to combine its great notification system with on-screen notifications when the device is locked a la iPhone (e.g. push news alerts). I'd like a more elegant folder design a la iOS. The new cut & paste and text selection is nice, but I'd like consistency across ALL apps in this regard a la iOS. I'd like a unified inbox for communications from various sources. I'd like them to fix the annoying field bug when adding contacts from Map listings. Android still lags iOS in the clever use of multi-touch gestures across the OS, and it needs to address this. I should be able to swipe and delete like iPhone, vs. long press and menu select, etc. Android also needs its own form of eye candy sprinkled more liberally throughout the OS. Gingerbread's "display off" emulation of a cathode ray tube is a small step in the right direction. The OS should have a lot more of this compelling eye candy to meet or exceed the fit and finish of iOS, but it has to be "uniquely Android" or it will seem like a poor facsimile.
Hardware: I'd like Samsung to keep what they're doing, but up the quality of build materials, particularly on the back of the device. The Nexus S is a big step beyond the Galaxy S design, in my opinion, and better materials like the Nexus One had would go a long way.
In a nutshell, this is the first Android phone that I prefer at times over my iPhone 4. But not always. iPhone still has the advantage over "Pure Google" in Hardware build (some), software elegance (more), and ecosystem app and peripheral choices (most). Vs. the "non-pure Google" phones, it's not even close. People may complain that Apple is "closed" but at least they focus on what's good for the end user. The choices that are made by OEMs and carriers in the Android universe are rarely good for end users, and this is on display with the superior Nexus line of products.
avniii said:
I am a current n1 owner rooted and all that good stuff, but usually before i purchase something I look it up online and see what the deal is.
I checked out the specs it looks pretty nice(just as good as evo4g droidx desirehd)
Yeah each phone has its pros and cons, but the nexus s is ****ing SICK I was in both verizon and sprint stores yesterday and checked out the samsung phones, for they all use the same screen and the quality of the devices are amazing. Yeah there lightweight and not made of a metallic material but no1 says the that about exotic cars being light weight either haha idk bad analogy maybe.
Nexus S is really nice tbh coming from a nexus 1 owner who is severely disappointed with the plain display and HORRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLE touch screen nexus S rocks nexus ones socks off.
Still disappointed about the video recording situation and i understand its a software issue instead of hardware which makes me very happy so no worries on that front.
Also I use my nexus one with the stock SD card which is only 4 gigs and I think that is plenty enough for me and i only fill it up from nandroid backups haha idk this is just my view on things and for those who are uncertain about buying a nexus s. Def going to bestbuy tommorow to buy me one of these then ima buy a oem housing for my n1 and new battery and give it to my brother (his first android phone) he will def love it just as much as i did.
But the matter of the fact is that i dont see why people say its a let down when google obviously knew what the phone would be they said they worked with every department of samsungs engineer team to make the phone so these specs are going to be as up to date as the nexus one was and still is.
These dual core phones although are probably going to be ****ing epic and stuff, but like honestly what are we all going to use these dual cores for? saving battery would probably be the biggest pro but like dual cores processors wtf are we gonna do play some pc games or render movies? idk thats just me !
what you guys think?
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I believe its hardware, not software. But some day can be hacked with reduced FPS, just like Nexus One
All Google and Samsung knew is that they dont need to spend money on building the phone because it already existed for 6 month. They had lots of time to test Gingerbread on this hardware, and things like lack of Gorilla, LED, Bluetooth 3.0, SD-card, make me think they ran out of parts and used whatever was available at the time.....and in the end the phone is close to $600 bucks with tax in USA and even more in EU.
for me it's hardware deficiency lack of microSD support, no Bluetooth 3.0, the software is clean which is perfect IMO
I think people that are coming from other phones and maybe some Nexus One owners are happy with NS (I would be), But people with Galaxy S line phones (as myself) look at Nexus S as a downgrade. If NS was FREE or maybe $50 bucks, then I would give it some thought, but for $600 there is nothing to think about. Ps. I dont use FFC, flash/flashlight is pretty much the only positive hardware I see in NS.
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I think people that are coming from other phones and maybe some Nexus One owners are happy with NS (I would be), But people with Galaxy S line phones (as myself) look at Nexus S as a downgrade. If NS was FREE or maybe $50 bucks, then I would give it some thought, but for $600 there is nothing to think about. Ps. I dont use FFC, flash/flashlight is pretty much the only positive hardware I see in NS.
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It isn't a downgrade at all if you're sick of waiting for Samsung and/or T-Mobile to deliver the newest and latest Android. Not only that but open-sourced kernels, Samsung Vibrant (and other Galaxy S phones) relies on leaks and the final version has not been released. Who knows when they will become available.
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Lately, as people settle down and get to know their Nexus S, the issues are starting to revolve around Gingerbread 2.3. It is chalk full of glitches and issues (random ringtone changes, difficulty in moving icons, some screen scrolling issues, and a slew of others...) which seems to be shared by many owners.
Google has their work cut out for them in future updates.
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2.3 runs fine on my captivate. I dont have any of the issues you are talking about. I read that a lot of people are having issues with the new screen. It may not be all 2.3 related.
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It isn't a downgrade at all if you're sick of waiting for Samsung and/or T-Mobile to deliver the newest and latest Android. Not only that but open-sourced kernels, Samsung Vibrant (and other Galaxy S phones) relies on leaks and the final version has not been released. Who knows when they will become available.
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I was sick of waiting......not anymore. I really dont care about official 2.2 because leaked Froyo for Vibrant is 100% fast and stable (with Nero and Voodoo). As far as 2.3 vs 2.2, for me they are the same...2.3 featuring looks and animations outside and game optimization under the hood. I already have all Ginger looks and animations, and i dont play games. I would put it this way, Touchwiz 2.2 has MUCH more useful features then 2.3
PS. It looks like Vibrants in USA officially get shipped with Froyo already. EDIT: ****ing Samsung switched the dates again
yes, waiting for 2.2 was an agony for SGS owners, now that most devices are on 2.2 it'll be another big challenge to get 2.3 for the rest of the SGS line up.
and it's true SGS takes to long to receive any Official release of 2.2/2.3 all 2.2 and now 2.3 that people got their hands on, was all leaked out or ported from other phones.
that's the only positive thing i like about the NS
People are complaining for two main reasons.
1. The hardware is nothing groundbreaking, the Nexus One was far better than anything else available when it launched. The Nexus S hardware is not bad but it is not any better than what is already on the market. I think people expected the Nexus line of phones to move Android forward, the way the Nexus One did and the Nexus S did not do that. The hardware just did not move the bar like the Nexus One did.
The only advantage to the Nexus S is the software (getting updates first and pure Android). This is enough for me to consider getting one in addition to my G2, but many people won't think this is a big enough difference to justify the purchase.
2. People always expect more when they pay more, I would bet more people paid full price for their Nexus S than other phones. Higher expectations = more complaints.
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Personally, my complaints are entirely about Gingerbread. It's disappointing to see so many glitches with stock Android.
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Lol!
But yeah i dont think its the phone being bashed for being whack...its just peoples expectations for the ns was set a lil too high.
Samsung couldve saved so much time just removing touchwiz from the gs
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People are complaining for two main reasons.
1. The hardware is nothing groundbreaking, the Nexus One was far better than anything else available when it launched. The Nexus S hardware is not bad but it is not any better than what is already on the market. I think people expected the Nexus line of phones to move Android forward, the way the Nexus One did and the Nexus S did not do that. The hardware just did not move the bar like the Nexus One did.
The only advantage to the Nexus S is the software (getting updates first and pure Android). This is enough for me to consider getting one in addition to my G2, but many people won't think this is a big enough difference to justify the purchase.
2. People always expect more when they pay more, I would bet more people paid full price for their Nexus S than other phones. Higher expectations = more complaints.
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.....+1 this was said so beautifully.
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With the Nexus 4 due out in less than 2 weeks, and I've noticed the Vibrant section is slowing down a bit again, will there be anyone left here? The N4 is exactly what I've been waiting to upgrade to. A Google phone at a good price point. If you haven't checked out the Nexus 4 section on this forum, it is going crazy already. My vibrant has been awesome through the 1.5 years I've had it, but the Nexus 4 is just too good to pass up.
tip: buy the N4 from google, tmo charges ~150$ for no reason
LOL, I will be staying. LG Nexus looks good, but for now, I shall wait and test it out for myself when it gets released. Reason why I'd rather wait and test is because its LG.... LG has been pretty bad. (Remember LG Optimus 2X? That was horrible.) But, looking at how its also a Google Nexus device, I have high hopes. The price is really nice too.
Was thinking about N4 also but i prefer LG logo on flat screens not on my phone . Finally i will choose between GS3 and Note2.
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was going to pre-order the n4, but now i'm not so sure with all of the lowly reviews. may wait it out to see "real world" reviews from xda'ers. if those are just as unfavorable, i may make the leap to the SGS3 now that the prices for used ones seem to be dropping a bit.
Fine, I'll let you all know how it turns out.
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Fine, I'll let you all know how it turns out.
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Personally, I'm strongly considering upgrading to a Nexus 4. Although the Galaxy S3 is also a nice device, and one I'm strongly considering as well. For those whom are trying to decide themselves, here's an informal video comparing the two spec-wise...
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was going to pre-order the n4, but now i'm not so sure with all of the lowly reviews. may wait it out to see "real world" reviews from xda'ers. if those are just as unfavorable, i may make the leap to the SGS3 now that the prices for used ones seem to be dropping a bit.
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Have seen zero "lowly" reviews so far. All are praising the hardware, but can't seem to agree upon battery life, which isn't surprising since the thing is still running pre-release software. And of course no LTE, which if people actually understood what a Nexus is would be a non issue.
N4 is using android 4.2 which uses new kernel 3.4, that might not be the optimized for all those benchmarks. And no reviews say that phone is lowly
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I thought I was going to get the LG Nexus on day one release, but after the post by AdamOutler: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/nexus-4-battery-shot-reveals-potential-quality-issues/
I might wait for other people to get it and see if there are any issues. Some of the points he mentioned I actually agree it, since I have opened various Samsung devices with design features he mentioned, while he state the LG Nexus lacking them. I know this is over speculation, however, I bought the S3 when it was new and regretted buying it for its poor build quality. People are going crazy selling their Galaxy Nexus for super cheap now, so if the LG Nexus turn out to have issues, I might just repurchase the Galaxy Nexus instead for $200 or something. My last Galaxy Nexus I dropped it a few times without a case and still manage to sell it in mint condition.
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I just picked up my Nexus 4 last week, and really like it. Rooted with Xylon 4.2.2 ROM, and Matrix kernel v7.0, I am averaging around 16 hours or so total battery life, and like 5 hours On Screen time every day, the past three days since on this combo.
I post on a lot of different tech forums, everyone telling me I am crazy for buying the Nexus 4, should have gotten the Note 2 #1 ( Actually which I had, and returned it two weeks later, great phone, amazing battery life, but 5.5" screen, is just too large for my every day phone ) For that same price, I also picked up a Nexus 7 tablet, and the Nexus 4, same price as my Note 2 out of contract full price.
On these other tech forums, said the Galaxy S3 is better, the One X is better, and that the Nexus 4 should be like the 4th option to go with. WTF ?
My smartphone history goes like this; iPhone 1, iPhone 3G, MyTouch 3G, Nexus-One, EVO 4G, Nexus-S 4G, Galaxy S2, Galaxy Nexus, HTC One X, Note 2, Nexus 4.
Out of all those phones, I have to say I felt the most comfortable with my Nexus phones, to quote that classic line "It just works", I prefer the minimalistic design of the Nexus line, not too flashy, or fancy overdone UI's, but a smooth and simple design, that I feel most comfortable with. Sure I know the Nexus 4 is not the most powerful smartphone available today, and maybe not the best screen tech, but I am happy with it, and battery life isn't as bad as the nightmare I read.
Plus once Android 5.0 KLP is released possibly this Summer, the Nexus 4 will get it right away, good luck with your new HTC One, or Galaxy S4 getting 5.0 KLP anytime soon, it will be a very long wait, even custom ROM's for non Nexus phones will have a long wait to get 5.0.
theyre just jealous. plus, everyone always thinks that the device that they have is the best, regardless of the truth. i love my n4, and wouldnt give it up for those other devices.
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theyre just jealous. plus, everyone always thinks that the device that they have is the best, regardless of the truth. i love my n4, and wouldnt give it up for those other devices.
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The device I have really is the best
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theyre just jealous. plus, everyone always thinks that the device that they have is the best, regardless of the truth. i love my n4, and wouldnt give it up for those other devices.
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A few people that did respond, said they are on Verizon, and if the Nexus 4 was available, and had LTE for Verizon, they would get it right away. Personally I hate Verizon, super expensive, but they are the biggest carrier in the U.S., I think the Nexus-Five will have LTE, and Google would be smart to have a CDMA version to work with that carrier, could be a ton more sales.
Rumors point to Google announcing Android 5.0 "Key Lime Pie" at this May's Google I/O show. And possibly a release this June / July. Would Google also release the Nexus-Five then this Summer, the first phone with 5.0 KLP ? Or just give the Nexus 4 Key Lime Pie, and hold off on the Nexus-Five to the typical Nov/Dec release ?
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A few people that did respond, said they are on Verizon, and if the Nexus 4 was available, and had LTE for Verizon, they would get it right away. Personally I hate Verizon, super expensive, but they are the biggest carrier in the U.S., I think the Nexus-Five will have LTE, and Google would be smart to have a CDMA version to work with that carrier, could be a ton more sales.
Rumors point to Google announcing Android 5.0 "Key Lime Pie" at this May's Google I/O show. And possibly a release this June / July. Would Google also release the Nexus-Five then this Summer, the first phone with 5.0 KLP ? Or just give the Nexus 4 Key Lime Pie, and hold off on the Nexus-Five to the typical Nov/Dec release ?
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typically with google its a year cycle for the nexus releases. they might announce klp at i/o, but i dont think that it would be out until later this year.
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The device I have really is the best
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no it's not, mine is
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theyre just jealous. plus, everyone always thinks that the device that they have is the best, regardless of the truth. i love my n4, and wouldnt give it up for those other devices.
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I concur. Everyone has a preference. Forget those fools. Just enjoy your device and make yourself happy.
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I concur. Everyone has a preference. Forget those fools. Just enjoy your device and make yourself happy.
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I do. I really like this Nexus 4. Just surprised people look at it like a cheap low end Android device. I think it's easily one of the top phones out there today. Better spec'd than the Galaxy S3, way better than the One X, sure the Note 2 might be better, but that's too large for my tastes. Not sure why so much hate for the Nexus 4, maybe because it's not a Samsung or HTC made Nexus ?
This LG Nexus is much nicer than my old Samsung Nexus, nicer screen, way better build quality, not even mentioning the better hardware, but that's a given with a one year newer device.
It's interesting that there are fanboy groups within fanboy groups. It's like fanboy Inception.
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It's interesting that there are fanboy groups within fanboy groups. It's like fanboy Inception.
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Samslut has a huge following. I just went to a T-Mobile store. Every single employee had a Samsung phone.
Every. Single. One.
One of them, I know for a fact, had ordered a Nexus 4 back in December. Hater.
Most people equate price with worth. If something cost more it must be better. If something cost less it must be worse. Look at all apples stuff. Cost an arm and leg for their "premium" junk. Cost more, must be better.
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Most people equate price with worth. If something cost more it must be better. If something cost less it must be worse. Look at all apples stuff. Cost an arm and leg for their "premium" junk. Cost more, must be better.
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Well, their hardware and build quality is top notch. Mind you, they leave out things for a while like LTE, NFC, etc.
It's just the software... :shudder:
Also, that elitist mentality based on ignorance that seems to come with the device kind of blows.
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Samslut has a huge following. I just went to a T-Mobile store. Every single employee had a Samsung phone.
Every. Single. One.
One of them, I know for a fact, had ordered a Nexus 4 back in December. Hater.
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With the exception of the N4 there really isn't a much better option on T-Mobile than the S3 for high end phones. Everything else there is mid-low range.
I think Samsung's success comes from:
1: They are a household name. They make everything. People can relate.
2: They advertise the crap out of their phones.
Most people aren't tech savvy. When they see non-stop apple and samsung commercials they believe that they are the best things out there. They just don't know any better.
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With the exception of the N4 there really isn't a much better option on T-Mobile than the S3 for high end phones. Everything else there is mid-low range.
I think Samsung's success comes from:
1: They are a household name. They make everything. People can relate.
2: The advertise the crap out of their phones.
Most people aren't tech savvy. When the see non-stop apple and samsung commercials they believe that they are the best things out there. They just don't know any better.
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Absolutely. I couldn't agree more.
That just goes to show you that advertising works. It's OK, all the haters can suck it.
I own a nexus s and I've recommended Samsung to everyone I know for about the last year or so....when I told my friends I wanted the LG Nexus they all looked appalled that I would recommend one manufacturer to everyone, then suddenly choose a device for myself from another. Some people just don't understand that not everyone cares what brand an item is. I picked a Nexus 4 because I wanted to stay with the Nexus family for its open nature and amazing development community. I pick devices for my needs. My needs are not the same as any one of my friends. They all like to buy a phone and keep it unrooted, etc. And that's fine. But I like to mod the living piss out of mine. If I could have remotely unlocked the bootloader while it was on its way to me I would have lol
This is what makes android so great, and it is why iOS will become known as an epic fail. Variety is the spice of life If they keep shoveling crap in front of people and expect them to just choke it down without even considering the fact that they may not like the same thing as the person next to them, they will eventually fail.
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Absolutely. I couldn't agree more.
That just goes to show you that advertising works. It's OK, all the haters can suck it.
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Yeah it's all about the advertising.
iOS advertising is condescending. People see the commercials and think they are elite for owning one.
Samsung ads have been more of the attacking/put down variety. People carry the bashing to the real world. Even if it means bashing other Android devices.
Advertising is a powerful tool...especially to the layman.
I had the option to pick whatever phone I wanted and went with the Nexus 4 because I can't stand touchwix and the note is just too big for my taste.
I didn't want an S3 knowing that the S4 is around the corner and not knowing when the S3 was getting future updates.
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Couldn't be happier with mine. Just switched from the one s, nobody was making any Roms for the the US one s and got tired of waiting on tmo to release their jellybloat. This is my first nexus phone. Well i take that back the first one had a defect in the screen that looked like a dimple in the pixels.
I'm surprised HTC doesn't have more of a cult following as their phones have some of the nicest build quality among the phones I've used. Samsung phones are nice too but I just can't get over the overly plastic feeling in their designs. I prefer a heavier phone for some reason; something that doesn't feel hollow behind the screen. To each their own at the end of the day... those same haters are gonna be the cry babies in the Samsung forums wishing they had the fast Android updates and Google support we receive with our Nexus devices. Tell them to have fun with their Samsung source code and move along.
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I'm surprised HTC doesn't have more of a cult following as their phones have some of the nicest build quality among the phones I've used. Samsung phones are nice too but I just can't get over the overly plastic feeling in their designs. I prefer a heavier phone for some reason; something that doesn't feel hollow behind the screen. To each their own at the end of the day... those same haters are gonna be the cry babies in the Samsung forums wishing they had the fast Android updates and Google support we receive with our Nexus devices. Tell them to have fun with their Samsung source code and move along.
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HTC has a few things against them
1) They put out phones slowly.
2) Slow software updates. It takes forever to update Sense.
3) Almost no advertising or other aggressive marketing.
4) They just don't have the funds or clout that Samsung has.
I am happy with my LG made Nexus, at the end of the day, I don't care, I mean all these phones are mainly Korean made, and LG is no slouch or small mom and pop shop.
But I will admit, that HTC has been making some really good designs lately, the One X in my opinion was the best looking Android phone of 2012, and the new One phones looks really great. I would love to have HTC back on the next Nexus. But if the Nexus-Five is another LG produced phone, that won't stop me one bit from buying it.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/24/4257254/samsung-galaxy-s4-review
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they are still of bunch of ignorants in my opinion :laugh:
We’ve seen it in laptops, as companies like Toshiba finally turn away from racing to the pricing bottom and begin to build truly excellent ultrabooks; we're also seeing it in cellphones, from the HTC One and a small selection of other devices.
I don't need more cores, more gigahertz, or more software features that ostensibly help me use my phone more easily. I need a phone that feels good in my hand, looks good on my desk, does everything I expect it to, and gives me no reason to think it won't last the life of my two-year contract. I bought an iPhone 5 because last fall it was the only phone that fit that bill — now there are several Android options as well, and they’re good enough to make me want to switch back to Google’s OS.
For now, it's a choice every buyer will have to make. You can have the far better-looking phone or you can have the slightly better-performing phone — and you really can't choose wrong. If the GS III is any indication, millions upon millions will choose the GS4. Me? I think design matters. Polish matters. The Galaxy S4 is fast and impressive, but it's also noisy and complex. The One is refined, quiet, comfortable, beautiful, and above all simply pleasant. I love using that phone, in a way I haven't experienced with anything since the iPhone 5. That's why, when my contract is up in June, I'll probably be casting my lot with HTC instead of Samsung.
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he should update his HTC One review if he loves it this much, his review certainly doesnt reflect that!
I think it does. And I could not agree more. David Pierce on mobile devices is 100% reliable.
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So did Gizmodo UK though that's not saying much
Pretty much everyone who's reviewed both phones side by side has opted for the One
Bound to be differences in opinion - I can totally see why some would prefer the S4. But for me, HTC One all the way. That is if my order ever turns up! Grr.
Even if the One sucked it would have beat the S4 on the Verge. The S4 has a chance to beat the iphone in sales this year, the Verge, as iPhone fanbois, dont want that to happen. Of course, im not saying the conclusion is wrong, i do have an HTC One after all, but the point stands.
He makes some valid points, especially on the price. In summary, he argues that the price isn't outrageous for a number of reasons:
- The specs of this phone are insane and can justify a higher price tag
- The premium build on this phone is unlike any of the previous Nexus devices
- Companies such as Apple and Samsung sell phones that are even more expensive. Nexus 6 is actually a bit cheaper than it's competitors.
- The Nexus 6 is Google's step on becoming mainstream and more premium feeling Stock Android experience
What do you guys think?
All this is true. I think main reason people are pissed is because this is like a complete switch over tight. Go from 4" phones that are 350 to 6" phones that are 1.2x the previous price with no in between ya know? Such as a smaller device with slim down spec and cheaper price. It is true that compare to others it is cheap...but let not forget, lg g3 is cheaper and it gives us just about everything the n6 (32gb) offers (almost) so google really had no excuse
Yeah, I can understand that. Big changes aren't always welcome.
The LG G3 is a great phone but the Nexus 6 has (slightly) newer specs. Of course, this probably won't be noticable at all.
Also, the Nexus 6 has a better design in my opinion even if I loved the G3's design.
Google is just trying something new.
The jump from the Galaxy Nexus to the N4 was just as precipitous, just in the opposite direction. IIRC, the GN was something like $600 when it was released. The VZW on-contract price was $300. It was not cheap at all.
I personally don't care for the price, its not an issue with me because of my career. And honestly, come on, people expected to get such specs and fast charging at 400? lol...come on yall...let be real here. Our economy is inflated that means so will nexus devices
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I personally don't care for the price, its not an issue with me because of my career. And honestly, come on, people expected to get such specs and fast charging at 400? lol...come on yall...let be real here. Our economy is inflated that means so will nexus devices
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Just saying, the fast charging isn't something that costs a lot to implement. Its been there since the LG G2 even the nexus 5 has the hardware but it hasn't been activated for use. Even the new moto x has turbo charging, its part of the 800,801,805 chips.
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I personally don't care for the price, its not an issue with me because of my career. And honestly, come on, people expected to get such specs and fast charging at 400? lol...come on yall...let be real here. Our economy is inflated that means so will nexus devices
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I think it just has become an expectation from the Nexus series since the N4 started the whole price reduction thing. Just like No SD Card Support or Removable Battery once something adheres from one generation to the next people assume it will remain that way for Nexus.
As for me, it cannot come out soon enough!
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Dear All,
Yes, the price of the device is not Nexus 5 territory anymore. Google listened to your requests:
1. Larger battery -> Complied.
2. Better speakers. ->Complied.
3. Android 5.0 -> Complied.
4. More screen on time -> Complied.
5. Premium feel -> Complied.
What more can you ask from Google. They met our requests but also added a new direction that they feel will be of best interests for their business model. They are clearly moving towards more mainstream this time as 4 carriers will carry the phone right from the start. Samsung can't have all the fun with the phablet segment so Google and Apple wants a piece of the pie. Apple won't argue with money since Samsung took so many sales from them with the Note series. Google did leave us Nexus owners a bad taste in our mouth since we were use to the bargain price for a well rounded phone. Now, they want to move in another direction. They did keep the N5 active for people waiting for the N6 if they are thinking of upgrading from N4 or other devices. The N5 is the answer if you want a more "one hand friendly" phone and the N5 is a great phone. With the Lollipop soon to be on the phone, it will even get better with battery life and the overall experience.
Finally, if the N6 is right for you... hand over $649 / $699 to Google and enjoy your monster N6. If the N6 doesn't float your boat, the N5 is a great phone (current owner of N5 too) to fill your needs or wait till early spring/summer 2015 for 64-bit flagships to appear in a smaller footprint.
I think I will get Nexus on Verizon. And try it for a year if I don't like it, more 64 bit phones will be out which will present more options. I'm betting that the nexus will have better support a year or two when comparing it to Touchwiz.
My note 2 is starting to feel a bit slow.
Ill admit. I was floored when I saw the price but when you think about it, its not overpriced at all. Im pretty much sold on picking one up and upgrading from my N4. Only thing that would deter me is if reviews are utterly terrible, and something tells me thats not happening
I honestly don't believe they are canning the n5... Kind of like apple having the 6 and 6+
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He makes some valid points, especially on the price. In summary, he argues that the price isn't outrageous for a number of reasons:
- The specs of this phone are insane and can justify a higher price tag
- The premium build on this phone is unlike any of the previous Nexus devices
- Companies such as Apple and Samsung sell phones that are even more expensive. Nexus 6 is actually a bit cheaper than it's competitors.
- The Nexus 6 is Google's step on becoming mainstream and more premium feeling Stock Android experience
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I think it's a tablet. I think that Google and other companies are forgetting that these are phones. It's a ridiculously big phone, and I doubt it's not going to go mainstream. Phone makers need to remember these are portable devices, they keep getting bigger and bigger and are officially in tablet territory now.
Price was never the issue for me. For once it has quite good specs without skimping on stuff but the phone itself is MASSIVE. If I buy one I'll have to buy new clothes.
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I think it's a tablet. I think that Google and other companies are forgetting that these are phones. It's a ridiculously big phone, and I doubt it's not going to go mainstream. Phone makers need to remember these are portable devices, they keep getting bigger and bigger and are officially in tablet territory now.
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I think you're forgetting that every year people complain that phones are getting too big, and yet people continue to buy them happily. Even Apple has seen enough evidence to release Android-sized phones so you know it's obvious if they're changing their plan, stubborn as they are. As mentioned in the video, the Nexus 6 is the same height as the iPhone 6 plus and doesn't appear to be much larger than the Note 4...so don't let the screen-size alone determine your beliefs.
Do you think for one second that if Google is able to achieve sales similar to those of the Samsung Note series that they'll be disappointed? Clearly there is a market for this size phone and it's continuing to grow as people realize bigger is better with phones, despite the drawbacks. That's not to say it's for everyone, so you can continue to choose from one of the many options available at a size/price you prefer.
I wonder what the on contract price will be
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i think considering the s10 x64 processors will be out and be a standard in the s6 and m9 ..etc the n6 isn't worth the price tag.
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I honestly don't believe they are canning the n5... Kind of like apple having the 6 and 6+
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well obviously the rumor of them revamping it with higher specs were wrong.
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I think you're forgetting that every year people complain that phones are getting too big, and yet people continue to buy them happily. Even Apple has seen enough evidence to release Android-sized phones so you know it's obvious if they're changing their plan, stubborn as they are. As mentioned in the video, the Nexus 6 is the same height as the iPhone 6 plus and doesn't appear to be much larger than the Note 4...so don't let the screen-size alone determine your beliefs.
Do you think for one second that if Google is able to achieve sales similar to those of the Samsung Note series that they'll be disappointed? Clearly there is a market for this size phone and it's continuing to grow as people realize bigger is better with phones, despite the drawbacks. That's not to say it's for everyone, so you can continue to choose from one of the many options available at a size/price you prefer.
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Google is never going to encroach on Samsung. Ever. It's futile to try and Nexus devices have never sold well. Bigger is better, until you pass 5.5" or so. When does it stop? 7" phone? 7.5" phone screen? How big do people really need their phone? I can be equally productive on a nexus 5 as I can a nexus 6. Period.
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Price was never the issue for me. For once it has quite good specs without skimping on stuff but the phone itself is MASSIVE. If I buy one I'll have to buy new clothes.
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I've seen this argument quite a few times now, where exactly did previous Nexus phones "skimp". It seems to be something people are using to justify the high price despite for the past two years everyone saying the nexus was a high end phone for half the price...
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I think by the time 64 bit actually matters in phones I will have moved on to the next Nexus, so it's not an issue for me. Like most tech people (I think), I'm not the type of person who keeps the same phone for more than a year or two max.
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Google is never going to encroach on Samsung. Ever. It's futile to try and Nexus devices have never sold well. Bigger is better, until you pass 5.5" or so. When does it stop? 7" phone? 7.5" phone screen? How big do people really need their phone? I can be equally productive on a nexus 5 as I can a nexus 6. Period.
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Google will certainly make a dent considering they are selling this Nexus via all US carriers for the first time...so it doesn't really matter what they did in the past, this is a new era. They definitely won't make a huge dent, but it has a chance to be meaningful.
How can you possibly argue that "bigger is better until you pass 5.5" or so". That's not some magical number that has any real meaning...it's simply your brain deciding that you've had enough, despite the fact that you've never used the Nexus 6. A million people said the same thing when phones moved to 4.7"...then they said it again at 5.0"...then they said it again at 5.2"...they said it about the Note when it came out...and now they're saying the same thing about the Nexus 6...they've been wrong every single time and I see no reason to believe that suddenly this is it.
I think we're probably pushing the limit of how big you want a smartphone, but that's EXACTLY what I want to happen. I want the biggest damn phone that isn't "too big". We won't know what "too big" is until we get there, but I don't believe the Note 4 was too big and we know that the Nexus 6 is not that much bigger..much of the half inch screen size difference is made up for by smaller bezels, which is also something I want to see continue to happen.
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I think by the time 64 bit actually matters in phones I will have moved on to the next Nexus, so it's not an issue for me. Like most tech people (I think), I'm not the type of person who keeps the same phone for more than a year or two max.
Google will certainly make a dent considering they are selling this Nexus via all US carriers for the first time...so it doesn't really matter what they did in the past, this is a new era. They definitely won't make a huge dent, but it has a chance to be meaningful.
How can you possibly argue that "bigger is better until you pass 5.5" or so". That's not some magical number that has any real meaning...it's simply your brain deciding that you've had enough, despite the fact that you've never used the Nexus 6. A million people said the same thing when phones moved to 4.7"...then they said it again at 5.0"...then they said it again at 5.2"...they said it about the Note when it came out...and now they're saying the same thing about the Nexus 6...they've been wrong every single time and I see no reason to believe that suddenly this is it.
I think we're probably pushing the limit of how big you want a smartphone, but that's EXACTLY what I want to happen. I want the biggest damn phone that isn't "too big". We won't know what "too big" is until we get there, but I don't believe the Note 4 was too big and we know that the Nexus 6 is not that much bigger..much of the half inch screen size difference is made up for by smaller bezels, which is also something I want to see continue to happen.
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Ridiculous. Here's a nice little study you can do at home. Go pick up your Nexus 7 and hold it to your face, or try and put it in your pocket. Think about carrying that thing with you all day long as a phone. There are plenty of examples of what "too big" is, we're there now. You may want your tablet to be a phone, but most professionals need something portable, and easy to carry, that isn't going to require being kept in a backpack. 5.5" phones like the LG G3 are actually still small enough to be considered a phone, I've held the iPhone 6+, trust me, we're there, phones are now too big.